WEBVTT - CNN’s Richard Quest: Is Airline Safety Declining? 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:07.440 Really Now, Really, really. 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:11.480 Now, really Hello, and welcome to Really No Really with 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.200 Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who remind you that once 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.919 you subscribe to our show, the sky's the limit and 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.919 the sky is where we're heading today, because this episode 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:24.040 attempts to answer the question are airlines actually putting dangerous 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.640 planes into the sky. Recently, a Boeing seven thirty seven 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.080 Max made an emergency landing after a door plug blew 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.839 out at sixteen thousand feet, blessing a massive hole in 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.120 the fuselage, and though no one was killed or injured, 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.720 a startled teenager had his shirt literally sucked right off 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.080 his back from the sudden pressure change. Really No, Really, 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.239 twenty twenty four may well be a nightmarish year for 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:52.040 air travel, as there are major shortages of air traffic controllers, pilots. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:52.279 And planes. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.440 To enlighten us, Jason and Peter invited CNN's always entertaining 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:01.040 aviation expert and correspondent to Richard Quest to explain why 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.440 Boeing aircraft are having so many issues where the actual 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.240 safest seat on a plane is located pilot statistics you 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.959 really hope aren't true and if it's okay, to drink 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.680 the water or ice on a plane. So fasten your 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.679 seat belts. This one could be bumpy. Here's Jason and Peter. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.840 All right, so here we are. We're back. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.840 So you know, we had an option today we could 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:30.240 have flown to each other's locations. But how dangerous would 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.640 that be? That's really the question of the day, right, 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:34.280 we're talking about that. 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.560 While we were recording, we had a sound effect that'said 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.360 forced segue. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:42.760 Well, we can put that up, we can, we can? 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:50.080 You know, no, actually, you know, you and I've been 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.360 doing the fair amount of traveling lately, and because of that, 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.240 I guess we're bumping into more and more stories that 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.120 at least catch our eye about. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.520 What the hell's going on on in aviation. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.560 And we saw a story where both of us kind 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:06.720 of stopped in our train. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.840 Wait wait, wait, everybody saw this watching stories come on, 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.760 Bolts falling off, doors, doors popping open all. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.239 The one that got me that an Alaska Airlines flight 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:21.800 and on a seven thirty seven Max nine. Seven thirty 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.359 seven Max nine is that sixteen thousand feet or so, 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.320 And apparently what they do is they refit this aeroplane 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.160 so that which was a doorway they took the doorway 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.960 off and put in what they're calling a plug. Now, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.760 the only plugs I know going to outlets and bathtub 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.160 drains and they come out really easy. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.840 And also into hair into into bold heads, right, and 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:50.280 they sometimes work, sometimes they don't take And this plug 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.480 on this seven forty seven, seven thirty seven, sorry, Max 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:58.480 nine at sixteen thousand feet decided to give it up. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.200 It just kind of popped out. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:00.800 See you later. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.880 And I believe while no one was hurt or killed, 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.960 thank god. I love this line. It sucked the shirt 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:13.639 off of a nine year old boy, just took the shirt. 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.560 Right off his body. And I'm going, was it an 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.360 over the head? Was it a button up? 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.000 What? And you know what's amazing? The next time that 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.600 kid has to fly with his mother, how does she say, 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.080 nothing's gonna happen because the kid's gonna go and you 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:26.720 can bleep this. 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.120 Yeah. 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:36.600 So producer David reminded me of this documentary about Boeing 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.520 and the Max airplane and how it came about and 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:40.880 what it is. And we're going to talk about that 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.040 a little bit with our guests. Who excites you because 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.760 you love Richard Quest, who was the CNN aeron Onyx corresponding. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.240 Now, can I just say I don't think I stand 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.640 alone in this right I Richard quest The man could 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:59.800 be talking about ice melting somewhere, but the enthusiasm and 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.880 a passion, the excitement makes me go, I should be 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.960 caring about this. This is important stuff. There's something about 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:08.960 him that I just find. 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.760 So, So today's question that we're gonna get to and 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.120 then we will decide if we got an answer, is yeah, 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.680 are they putting unsaved planes in the sky? And I've 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.560 got some stuff to tell you to start this that 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.440 airlines some secrets. Airlines may not tell you. 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.880 By the very nature of a secret, Why would they 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:30.000 tell me that's there? 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.080 You go? Okay, So we're gonna we're gonna do this. 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.000 Go ahead, captain, We've done. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.520 Oh my gosh, here we go. They're stingy when it 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.279 comes to fuel because it saves money keeping low levels 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.919 of fuel. So if you hit an unspected weather delay, yeah, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.520 or something happens there's rough weather, they gotta go down. 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.960 They gotta land because they're running out of gas. They 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.720 didn't anticipate another twenty five minutes in the air. So 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:55.400 it's like we got to put it down. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.200 That begs the question how long can they glide? 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.480 You know what? Right that down? For Richard. I'm curious 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:02.320 if there is how long? 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.160 Because there I know on smaller planes the engine they 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.400 do it whole thing with the engine. They turn the 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.560 engine off, and then you gotta fly it while it's 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:10.560 gliding and deal with it. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:11.280 Well, it's playing. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.040 But if the plane weighs seventeen tons, does it also glide? 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.839 We'll find as ask Richard, I will ask her this 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:20.839 is my favorite, and you'll hit the really really bell 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:21.560 if you had it there. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.839 I don't have sound, David, don't hit it later. 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.599 There is a do not pair list? Do you know 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.719 that pilots and co pilots fill out a list of 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:30.760 people they don't want to fly with because they don't 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.799 want insanity and two adversaries flying in the cockpit constantly, 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.839 So you put down on your list you don't want 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.520 to fly with everything pun who they don't want to 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:41.039 fly with. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:42.800 That's very interesting. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:44.680 I wonder if I could get that in my uh 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.560 in one of my clauses in my contract's hair. 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.520 Do not pay Yeah, fascinating because you don't want two 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.239 guys who hate each other's guts because. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.080 It's absolutely I like it. I actually I think that's 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:56.560 pretty good. 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.720 Safest sea, you know, safe, see I I have been 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:05.520 told the safest seats are over the wings, so that 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.919 sort of like the front seat that's still over the 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.560 wing is the most stable, and in the event of 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:17.720 a inopportune landing, that that section of the plane is 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:19.040 the most likely to stay intact. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.800 You know what, you just did it, David. If you 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.240 can mark that down, I think we submit that to 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:29.080 the I mean to the airlines. An inopportune landing. Hello, everybody, 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.560 please put your your head between your legs. We're gonna 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:37.000 have an inopportune land stop. Inopportune landing is such a 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.600 nice way to put it. So here's the deal. They 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.760 studied in the analysis of seventeen plane crashes over the 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.839 last thirty five years. They found the back of the 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.159 plane out of sixty eight percent average chance of survival 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.320 compared with sixty one in the middle, sixty two in 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:55.920 the front, and and the middle seats, especially near the 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.960 rear of the plane, are absolute safest. I guess I 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.640 hate to say this, because your two companions are acting 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:07.520 as padding and package packaging. You're keeping you Here's the 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.039 one and I'm sure you're going to want to bring 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.960 this up with our guests. Do you know where most 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.200 airplane repairs are? A lot of the airplane reshll you. 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:16.840 Tell me, so I'm going to play stupid. 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.120 Where be there? So the answer for those listening they 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.960 really not really is Costa Rica, China, Ethiopia, Argentina, Kenya, 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:30.080 Al Salvador, Indonesia among the countries the mechanics who deconstruct 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.360 and reassemble planes. This is where they take take them 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.040 apart and put them back together, and overwhelming are not 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.679 certified by the FAA. And the majority also don't speak 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.000 fluent English, which wouldn't normally be a problem except all 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.400 the technical manuals for airlines are written in Airplanes and 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:49.000 wiring stuff are written in English, as are all flightingpials, 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.400 so they don't have Wait, they also don't have inspect 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.640 but they don't have supposedly they don't have enough FAA 0:07:54.680 --> 0:08:00.000 inspectors over there whatever, so they're outsourcing to other countries. Yeah, 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.760 and it's increasing. We got to ask Richard about that. 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.040 I got to push back on you with the manual 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.560 because my Dustbuster came with a manual that's in seven languages. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:09.400 I find it. 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.160 Hard to believe that a bone seven didn't come with 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.320 it with more than one language. Who's the pilot that 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.560 when they land the plane and they go, yeah, this 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.720 baby needs a check up. Hey, Phil, fly it over 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.680 to Ethiopia. We got to check this fuck. Yeah, that's 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:27.239 a fun flight. That love being the captain of that flight. 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.360 It's probably okay, but just get it over to Ethiopia. 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.360 So clearly you and I have a lot that we 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.320 don't know and have experienced in the wonderful world of aviation. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:41.559 And you went and got us a gentleman who really 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.760 is well versed in an expert in many many areas. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.840 But Richard Quest is among his many other credits credits, 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:54.000 he is. He's basically the airline and aviation correspondent at CNN. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.440 He's covered a number of breaking aviation stories like like 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.080 the downing of the Malasia Airlines flight in the Ukraine 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:04.199 and the Virgin Galactic Spaceship two crash and the disappearance 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.320 of the Malaysia Airlines flight. He wrote a book about 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.160 that called The Vanishing of Flight MH three seventy, The 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.400 True Story of the Hunt for the Missing Malaysian Plane 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.840 so I find him fascinating, as I know you do too. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.360 He began his career and still has a huge career 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:24.440 as a business correspondent. I actually adore his travel show 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.960 on San So let's welcome mister Richard Quest. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:29.480 Welcome to really no relation. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:31.480 Thank you, gentlemen. I'm Julia. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.480 I don't know how or why he found time for this. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:37.800 I don't understand it, but I couldn't be happier. 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.719 Yeah, So Richard, first of all, airline, because you are 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.680 the guy you've interviewed all the CEOs. What are you 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.240 that fascinated with flying? Is it something that you love 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:47.800 so much? I know that you've probably come back and 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.600 forth at least once or twice month. 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.360 This week, I've done. Over the last couple of weeks, 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:58.480 I've done Mexico to buy Doha, Sydney, and then I 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:03.960 got back into New York yesterday, a grave risk of ruining. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.800 Just sort of just bear with me a minute. So 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:08.160 can you see the planes? 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.319 Oh we do yet? 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:15.720 Tabletop that there are plane souvenirs all round my office 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:17.800 and whenever. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.480 And the reason is simple that I can give you a. 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:30.360 Practical reason why, Because they are vast economic engines. You 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.600 don't have one person answering the phone. You have hundreds 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:34.240 of call. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:35.680 Centers that plane. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:36.079 Think about it. 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.920 Let me just take one, let me take a Let's 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.840 just do it. Now. You think about that corn aircraft. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.640 It's got to get the right crew with the right 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.400 passengers and the right luggage and the right meals in 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.800 the right place for the right slot at the right time. 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.680 And you've got to do it hundreds of times a day. 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.800 And if you're talking about they say Unite or a Delta, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:02.480 thousands of times a day. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:03.040 And I was just. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.679 Looking only yesterday because I really am that sad at 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.920 the number of passengers that United flew in to twenty 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:11.560 twenty three. 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.280 You're talking about over one hundred and sixty million. 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.000 And if you look at Ryanair in Europe, one hundred 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:22.280 and eighty million odd passengers. I mean, they are so 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.680 these these machines. Besides being beautiful, they fly. 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.680 I mean just look, Oh, if you're not watching on YouTube, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:36.040 Richard richardid just created a beautiful flight, a beautiful parabola. 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:37.680 These things are magic. They fly. 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:43.000 They are vast economic engines in their own right. They 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:48.880 are geopolitical. One other industry gets affected by war volcanoes, 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:56.400 economic growth, and pandemics in manifestations, and the aircraft industry 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:01.000 or the aviation the airline industry simply touches every tentacle 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.880 of the global economy, and that I find fascinating. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:05.800 But the question today, I guess to get right to 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.120 it and I'll let you get everybody listening up to speed. 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.120 So there's incidents that keep happening, bolts falling off, et cetera, 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.719 and problems. We have one one executor who said he 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.400 won't fly. He actually got off the Max seven would 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:24.680 have seven thirty seven Yeah, Max, because because he said, 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.240 it's just they should be grounded based on this software 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.560 program that they didn't allegedly or maybe they proved it 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:35.440 didn't tell the pilots about. So we watched the documentary. 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.160 We've seen what happened with the merger of the two 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:43.400 airlines McDonald Douglas and Boeing, which was the gold center. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.600 I guess, but can you get people up to speaking? 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.240 Of course, said the seven three seven the Max. The 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.640 decision to create the Max they had a choice bout 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.800 they were falling dangerously behind Airbus, which had the eight 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.240 three to twenty family of planes, A three twenty with 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.400 the Neo, which is the new engine option, which is 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.840 basically the engine was giving about fifteen to twenty percent 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.720 better fuel efficiency, and it was going to cost too 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.400 much money for Boeing to redesign the seven three seven 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.600 from scratch. This is a plane, by the way, going 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.920 back to the nineteen sixties. So they did what they 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.360 always did. They bolted bits on, they changed things around, 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.600 they extended it, they did this, that and the other. 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:27.400 But what they did was unconscionable because they added a 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:35.040 piece of software that was perfectly legitimate. Absolutely. In fact, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.840 Airbus has always had this software. It basically means that 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.880 the plane can't crash. It basically means that if a 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.040 situation happens, the aircraft will. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.400 Do something in its own right to. 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:52.319 Prevent you from stalling and crashing and bowing and always 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:53.000 got haha. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.760 Will never put that on our planes. 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:02.240 We will never have to lord, no law, We'll never 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.600 do it because we believe at Boeing the pilot in charge. 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.040 We believe that Boeing that if you know, sorry, I 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.120 think all excited at the prospect of this. 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:13.720 We believe at Boeing. 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.320 You know the famous saying, if it ain't a bowing eye, 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:17.680 ain't going well. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:18.960 Guess what? 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:23.440 With the seven three seven, they redesigned the plane in 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.840 such a way that the engines were further forward and 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.720 were higher up, and were more powerful, and there was 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:35.680 a real risk that the plane could stall. Exactly what 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.640 they did was sow. They put into place this little 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:43.080 bit of software called encast maneuvering something something something. But 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.240 what this bit of software did was say, in a 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:54.240 certain situation, if certain circumstances happen, we will. 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.480 Fly the plane regardless, all right. 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:03.400 So with both the Ethiopian and the other one, that 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.160 was what happened was in both of these cases, in 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:11.560 both crashes that the pilots or the first crash they 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.520 didn't know. The first crash they didn't even know this 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:19.000 thing existed, and the second crash they knew it existed, 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.120 and they did realize it was this situation, and they 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.400 did it, and they still crashed. And the reason was 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.760 you had ten seconds. You had ten seconds to do 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.240 it before it was irrecoverable. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:37.360 When all was said and done and the changes were. 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:42.280 Made, and we saw what they did to m Cass. 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:44.320 Do you know what they did? 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:50.880 They made m Cass, They followed their own creed. They 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.920 made it so it was never too powerful for a 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.600 pilot to overwhelm. They made it so that it wouldn't 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.840 do it far again and again and again, so that 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.960 pilot could take back control. They added redundancy to when 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.880 it would kick in. Instead of just having one sensor, 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:11.560 they added two sensors, and they made sure pilots knew about. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:12.880 It and how to counteract it. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.840 Now, those sound really simple, but those things were the 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:21.200 creed of Boeing going back to when they air to 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.680 when they started making planes, and it was the creed 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:26.280 that they had forgotten. 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:28.600 And we know the reasons why. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:34.280 Because they didn't want pilots to have to retrain on 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:38.560 the seven thy seven Max, because they'd committed to airlines 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.960 that no retraining would be necessary. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.080 So if I'm on a seven three seven Max tomorrow, 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.240 am I reasonably assured that the pilots have the training 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:51.560 and they know how to deal with the system. 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:56.440 I was on one last week. And what a magnificent 0:16:56.600 --> 0:17:02.840 aircraft it is. It is beautiful, it flies comfortably, it's 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.879 got tremendous power. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.000 M CASS is still there. 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.080 But MCASS has been now put into its proper box 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.520 so the pilots know about it. The pilots have been 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.200 trained on it. And even if, even if if mcass 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:24.399 fires wrongly, mcass was pushing the nose down. It was 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.080 such a force that the pilots physically couldn't pull it back. 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.600 Now it can't do that, It can only push it 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.040 down a bit. The pilots can pull it back up. 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.440 If it goes wrong, it'll do it again. The pilots 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.680 can pull it back. After three goes, mcass switches off. 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:49.359 M cass can no longer be the runaway frankenstyle that 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.960 it was. Pilots are back in control. The seven three seven. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.919 Boeing built a beautiful plane, and if my anger with 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.720 them is anything is that they root it up for 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.320 themselves by not telling the pilots and telling people, and 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.119 of course by lying to regulators. 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.320 In the opening, Jason and I were talking about things 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.719 that you may not know about airlines, and that they 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:16.359 outsource repair to countries. I don't know how much, but 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:17.600 it seems like they're doing it more and more to 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.440 save money. Where the first language is not necessarily English, 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:22.840 and all the manuals are English, all the services English, 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:24.800 and they may not even be FAA regulated because they 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.520 don't have the people there to actually oversee the work. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:30.960 Is that still happening, Richard? Is that growing? Is that? 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:31.760 Is that diminishing? 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:33.120 I'm going to stop you there. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.240 And they may not even be FAA regulated because they 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.960 don't have the people there to actually oversee the work. 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.400 Is that still happening, Richard? Is that growing? Is that? 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:53.160 Is that diminishing? 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.639 I'm going to stop you there. It's an absolute load 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:57.960 of old bollocks. 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.720 Oh good, No, No, of course. 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:02.360 There aren't sourcing. 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.959 Of course they aren't sourcing to places where it can 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.080 be done more efficiently, where it can be done cheaper. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:13.200 But your question doesn't go to that. Your question goes 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:14.560 to standards of the. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.360 Repair, right and right? 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:21.320 What Western arrogance that says, oh, no, we can't send 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.720 it to those countries because they may not be able 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:25.440 to understand how to repair. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:27.399 Absolute bollocks. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:33.040 No, the United sends its planes off, Delta sends its 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.840 planes off. You send your planes off to where the 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:41.440 repair can be done in the most cost effective, efficient 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.840 and safe way. Now, can that always be done in 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:46.600 home in the United States? 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:47.600 In the EU? 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:52.000 No, because cost of labor is higher. Your next question 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:56.080 Jason is ah, but how can we be sure that 0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:01.840 if it goes to Malaysia comar on. The answer is 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:06.280 you have to put in place in these places proper protections, 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.400 proper safety regulations, and these places have to be certified 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.560 to do the repairs at the same standard. But this 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.280 idea that somehow a plane can't fly to Singapore to 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:18.000 be repaired. 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.920 No, Actually, my next question was going to be doesn't 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:27.240 it disturb you that Peter would just be so dismissive. 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:33.440 Of you know, no, no, I can hear. We all heard, 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:34.880 we heard. 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:35.679 The tone and. 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:41.159 Chooses to outsource it's and it tends to be the 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:42.879 heavy maintenance, the big stuff. 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:44.439 You know it's going to take. 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:49.280 A month where they choose to outsource heavy maintenance. Then, yes, 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.720 the regulator does have a duty to make sure it's 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:57.080 being done to but. 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.200 But don't make that. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:01.479 Against the sheer arrogance. 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.119 I had an obligation to end. 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.440 If I had a bell, I'd be ringing a shame ship. 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:12.000 I'd walk you naked through a crowd. There it is, there, 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:12.720 it is by. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:17.320 Tomorrow, will be on seeing it. He'll bet an Ethiopian factory. 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.600 It was charged with sixty yard plans has cut again. 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.199 And now and now trying to assimilate an accident that 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:25.679 you are not qualified to do. 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:30.159 The fuselage on the seven three seven Max was built 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:35.040 by Spirit, It was transported across to Bowing's factory. It 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:39.240 was assembled in Bowing's factory. The door was removed, the 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.600 door was put on, the bolts were left off, and 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:42.800 the rest is history. 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:47.280 So yeah, I mean, and a little boy's shirt was lost. No, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:48.280 that's that. 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:52.200 That's what happened, Jason. That shirt wasn't lost. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:57.879 That shirt was was dragged off by wind. 0:21:58.119 --> 0:21:59.000 Can you imagine? 0:21:59.080 --> 0:21:59.919