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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell.

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Speaker 2: That for me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard

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Speaker 2: so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for Dake Edith Steak, is

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Speaker 2: that whoo whoo? And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls. My

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Speaker 3: name is Tie Hild, the brand that fine gentleman over

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Speaker 3: there as always, Dan Rubenstein stir, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: What's good?

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Speaker 2: Everything's good, Tie, Everything's good. We're talking together. We're talking football.

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Speaker 2: We're talking West Coast football. I can't even say Pac

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Speaker 2: twelve football anymore because it doesn't exist. Good job everybody

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Speaker 2: by talking West Coast football a little bit more specifically,

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Speaker 2: bringing on arguably our oldest not an age, but our

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Speaker 2: oldest in terms of tenure. I guess friend guest from

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Speaker 2: the show, I go back to two thousand sicks like

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Speaker 2: he was a You interviewed him for the original College

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Speaker 2: Football Tour Guide. I happened to come across him on

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Speaker 2: the USC campus. But he's been covering USC for a

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Speaker 2: long time, but it's still very young. Ryan Abraham quite

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Speaker 2: excited to have him on, and we do so every

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Speaker 2: so often because he is as thorough and I think

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Speaker 2: provides as much context and as complete a ten thousand

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Speaker 2: foot view of anybody, if not more, when it comes

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Speaker 2: to all things USC football, Upstowns and otherwise.

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Speaker 3: We're starting to dip our toes a little bit in

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Speaker 3: specific issues surrounding specific teams. It's no secret what USC's

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Speaker 3: running has been defense. Everyone's been fixated on defense. This year,

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Speaker 3: I think it's right to fixate at least a little

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Speaker 2: He's been a.

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Speaker 3: Generational talent for the last two years at USC. What

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Speaker 3: hopefully Ryan can give us context for what that looks like.

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Speaker 3: You and I had kicked around this notion of what

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Speaker 3: will it take, what will it take to get to

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Speaker 3: the next level, What will it take to either win

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Speaker 3: how we are approaching some of these team specific episodes

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Speaker 3: that we're going to do, because every team has its

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Speaker 3: This year it might be a little bit more complex.

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Speaker 3: But that's all to say. I'm very excited to have

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Speaker 2: It's by the way, and I'll ask Ryan about this.

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Speaker 2: This is something I'm curious about. It's been a spring

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've noticed that. We're like, okay,

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Speaker 3: I jotted down that exact question because we Innate Tyson

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll see what Ryan has to say again, Ryan

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Speaker 3: Abraham USC football dot Com from also the Style new Hires. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Let's get to Ryan and with that we welcome on.

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Speaker 2: As Ty just mentioned, the legend, Ryan Abraham two four

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Speaker 2: I've known Ryan for quite some time. He's been on

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Speaker 4: I'm good A verbal jacket, Yes, I like that.

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Speaker 2: Like a royal purple v right there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's great. So it's great to be on the show.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. It's an honor. And just knowing

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Speaker 5: So I don't know if you guys were the same way.

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Speaker 3: So look, Rian, I realize it plays better online to

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Speaker 5: the main thing is probably coaching. They probably still need

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Speaker 5: to add some, you know, defensive talent, especially on the line.

434
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Speaker 5: But I feel if you took the talent they had

435
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 5: the last two years, it was good enough to be

436
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 5: way better than what they were. So if the talent's there,

437
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 5: and I think the coaching is the thing that needs

438
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 5: to change the most. So that's what they're banking on now,

439
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 5: changing the lot the whole coaching staff. Basically getting dadon

440
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 5: Lennon there, who took a eighty or ninety rank defense

441
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Speaker 5: into the teams or whatever he did. You want something

442
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Speaker 5: kind of similar to that at USC, And you know

443
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Speaker 5: that's what I think they're being optimistic about.

444
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you sort of stole my thunder a little bit

445
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 3: bringing up the personnel group. No, it's cool, perfect segue.

446
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Speaker 3: What is your level of confidence with the personnel that

447
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Speaker 3: they have on hand? I know you said they need

448
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Speaker 3: to add more bodies, need to try and beef up

449
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 3: the line defense as a whole. But given what's on

450
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Speaker 3: the roster right now, what's like the Ryan Abraham assessment

451
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Speaker 3: of how that compares to previous iterations of this defense?

452
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Speaker 5: The secondary I think they're really deep. They have a

453
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Speaker 5: lot of talent there, and you know, bringing in a

454
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Speaker 5: couple of guys that are familiar like John Humphrey and

455
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 5: Kamari Ramsey from UCLA that are familiar with det and

456
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Speaker 5: Lyn's you know defense, I think that helps a lot.

457
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Speaker 5: They brought a couple of Oregon State transfers down easton Mascaranas.

458
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Speaker 5: Arnold is going to be probably the middle linebacker. We

459
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Speaker 5: talked to him last week as the headsets on, you

460
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 5: know where they're you know, with in the in helmet

461
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 5: communication kind of running the defense. And I feel like

462
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Speaker 5: the back seven they're gonna be in a good place.

463
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Speaker 5: I like Eric Gentry a lot. He's kind of a

464
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Speaker 5: weird they call him like the giraffe. He's got this

465
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Speaker 5: six foot six frame, which what are you going to

466
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Speaker 5: do with them? He's going to move around and play

467
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 5: different positions, and you know, and the defensive line, I

468
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Speaker 5: think is where the big sort of question uh is

469
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Speaker 5: going to be. You know, they got some some big

470
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Speaker 5: bodies like a Bear Alexander in there. But you know,

471
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Speaker 5: can you you know, can you work everyone else in

472
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Speaker 5: and and and be effective as far you know, stopping

473
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Speaker 5: the run and getting after the passer.

474
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Speaker 4: There's some veterans there.

475
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Speaker 5: You know, Jamil Muhammad I thought had some up and

476
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Speaker 5: down moments last year after he transferred in. They're just

477
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Speaker 5: not going to be as deep on the defensive line,

478
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Speaker 5: but I think as a whole, they they have the

479
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 5: personnel to be successful. Maybe a little thin at the

480
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Speaker 5: defensive line, but you know, on the other spots, I

481
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Speaker 5: think they're they're doing a pretty good job, especially in

482
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Speaker 5: the secondary. Can they put it all together and make

483
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,239
Speaker 5: it work on Saturdays? Can they tackle better? You know,

484
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Speaker 5: not giving up thirty and twelves in that kind of stuff.

485
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 5: Just a lot of things that we saw in the

486
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Speaker 5: last couple of years. That's you know, that's kind of

487
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 5: the big question. But I think personnel wise, I think

488
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 5: they're pretty close. They would let you know, USC fans

489
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 5: have just been asking every time we say something like,

490
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Speaker 5: oh USC signed a punter or something like cond he

491
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Speaker 5: play defensive tackle?

492
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 4: Like that's just what comes up all the time.

493
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Speaker 3: It's interesting now as USC makes this move into the

494
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Speaker 3: Big Ten, because I think the next logical question is

495
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Speaker 3: which teams are which style of teams in the new

496
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 3: conference scary the most. You've got a team like a Michigan,

497
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Speaker 3: who you know, if the trends continue, would be more

498
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Speaker 3: of a ground and pound team that would attack that

499
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Speaker 3: defensive line. Penn State almost said Notre Dame.

500
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Speaker 1: I got.

501
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Speaker 3: Penn State obviously has a stable. USC plays Notre Dame too,

502
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 3: Notre Dame and they also like the ground and pound

503
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 3: to some extent. So is that the style of team

504
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 3: that scares you the most going into a new conference?

505
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Speaker 3: Are there other deficiencies that you think could be exploited?

506
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: What when you look out across this USC schedule this

507
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: coming season, which are the land mines that you're fearful

508
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: of the most?

509
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

510
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Speaker 5: I think the physicality is what everyone's going to be

511
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 5: talking about going into the Big Ten. And for USC,

512
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 5: I think they you know, I don't think they were

513
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 5: I think I think the short yardage stuff, they were

514
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 5: just sort of more of a finesse team. And I

515
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 5: think this offseason they've tried to, you know, remedy some

516
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 5: of that. And you're seeing the strength gains and everyone

517
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 5: does that every off season, but you're like, oh, the

518
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 5: defensive line gate three hundred pounds or all that kind

519
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 5: of stuff. But I think that's where at least that's

520
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 5: what they're focusing on. I think that would be probably

521
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Speaker 5: the biggest concern. It's it's interesting though, because I mean,

522
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Speaker 5: they have a really tough schedule. If you have LSU

523
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 5: to start the season, you got Notre Dame UH, and

524
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Speaker 5: then the big the Big Ten schedule. But if they're

525
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 5: like you know, if they can take care of their

526
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 5: own business, there's a lot of teams that they can

527
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Speaker 5: beat on the schedule, and maybe the two toughest Big

528
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 5: Ten teams you know where they were in the National

529
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Speaker 5: Championship Game last year was Washington and Michigan. But they

530
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Speaker 5: both you know, new coaches, their whole you know, they're

531
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Speaker 5: gonna be completely different teams this year, and probably the

532
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Speaker 5: two most talented teams. They don't play Ohio State in Oregon,

533
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 5: so it could be, you know, it could be an

534
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 5: interesting first year in the Big Ten. But they you know,

535
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 5: it's for me, it's more about us. He kind of

536
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 5: taking care of their business because you could go on

537
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 5: the road and lose to Maryland or lose to UH,

538
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 5: you know, Wisconsin at home. But you know, those teams

539
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 5: you're probably more talented then you're you know, you're probably

540
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 5: gonna be favoring those games. If you can take care

541
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: of those there's some you know, there's some tough ones.

542
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 5: Of course, Elis you Notre Dame. You know, Michigan and Washington,

543
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 5: like I said, but you know a couple of those

544
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 5: you're talking about complete rebuilds and stuff. So I mean

545
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 5: they have a puncher's chance, but it's going to be

546
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 5: a lot. You know, the schedule is going to be,

547
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 5: you know, significantly tougher than what they saw the last

548
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 5: couple of years. So to me, it's more just about, hey,

549
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 5: can you take care of stuff you know in house

550
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 5: and kind of take it to the next level. But

551
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 5: I would say those physical teams are probably the ones

552
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 5: that they're going to be worried about the most to Lincoln.

553
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: To Lincoln Riley's credit, excuse me, he did look inward

554
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: with the defensive coaching staff, and he was quite loyal

555
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: to Alex Grinch for a long time, realized it wasn't

556
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: working and made the moves. I'm sure he had the

557
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: support of you know, money behind the program sort of,

558
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: you know, telling him, this is what you're going to do.

559
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 2: You're going to make some changes on the defensive staff,

560
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: and he did, and it seems quite promising for usc

561
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: that that there are new voices in the room. What

562
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: else has Lincoln Riley done, if anything, to sort of

563
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: look inward and say, look, we're not going to lose

564
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: five games or whatever. Again at USC, that's unacceptable. Is

565
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: it how they practice? Is it culture behind the scenes?

566
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 4: Is it?

567
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people will criticize offensive coaches

568
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: for not letting the defense run wild in practice and tackling.

569
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: I don't think we saw much tackling in the spring

570
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 2: game for instance this year. Like, is there anything that

571
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley has looked at himself and like I have

572
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: to do X, Y and Z different the way this

573
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: team has run for us to sort of hit that

574
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: ten to eleven win threshold.

575
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 5: Again, Yeah, I don't think losing five games set very

576
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 5: well now with him. Like you mentioned, it was not

577
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 5: was not pleasant, and I feel like, yeah, he probably

578
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 5: loyal to a fault with with Alex Grinch. And I

579
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 5: think the weird aspect was that I feel like he

580
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 5: gave Alex Grinch sort of like a little more power

581
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 5: than even he needed because some of the players that

582
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 5: could have been bigger were like smaller on purpose. So

583
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 5: I think some of those gains from these offseason workouts,

584
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 5: That's what I was kind of questioning, like you still

585
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 5: have the same head coach, you still have Benny Wiley,

586
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 5: the strength and conditioning coach, and now they're all all

587
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 5: these guys are putting on weight and everything, and you're like, well,

588
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 5: I mean what the only thing to changed with the

589
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 5: defensive coordinator? So did you give did Alex Grinch say

590
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 5: I want smaller, faster guys, so don't get too big.

591
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 5: And now they're like, now you have dead to limbs,

592
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 5: like no, we want we want some bulk here. So

593
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 5: I think maybe that was one of the things too,

594
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: where it wasn't just you kept them on board, but

595
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 5: you actually gave him a lot of say and how

596
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 5: like the makeup of the physical makeup of what these

597
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 5: defenders were. So I think that and on the practice side,

598
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 5: we don't get to watch a lot where or just

599
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 5: watching the kind of beginnings of stuff, but you know,

600
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 5: talking to players, it did seem things like they were

601
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 5: a little different. We know that Lincoln Riley was going to,

602
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 5: you know, giving up the quarterback coaching duty, so Luke

603
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 5: Heward's going to do that now, giving him a little

604
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 5: bit more kind of rome, you know, privileges. I guess

605
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 5: where you can go around and be in defensive meetings,

606
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 5: and he talked about that going into twenty twenty three,

607
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 5: that he was going to be more involved on the

608
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 5: defensive side, but it didn't seem like that was really

609
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: the case, and now I think he is. I think

610
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 5: that's it's more of you know, embracing that you know,

611
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 5: it's his baby, and even not being able to be

612
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 5: the quarterbacks coach. When we were asking about it, it was

613
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 5: sort of like, I got to do it, but like,

614
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 5: you know, that's his thing. You know, he's really good

615
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: at it, so you don't really want to give up

616
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 5: something that you're great. I don't know if he'll ever

617
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 5: give up the play calling duties because that's sort of

618
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 5: what makes him, you know, the kind of coach that

619
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 5: he is. But I do like that he's more involved,

620
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 5: maybe in the rest of the team, and you know,

621
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 5: I think on the special team's aspect as well.

622
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 4: Have been kind of bad with that.

623
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Speaker 5: But you've got these problem areas and you're the head man,

624
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 5: you have to address him head on. I think he

625
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 5: intended to do that last year and it just didn't work.

626
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 5: And I think this was like a full rebuy into

627
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 5: we have to do this just go get the best

628
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 5: coaches you can possibly get, put them in right position,

629
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Speaker 5: oversee them. And I think that's kind of been the

630
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 5: biggest difference this offseason.

631
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Speaker 2: Glad you mentioned quarterback, because we're in like weird uncharted

632
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: territory at quarterback with Lincoln Riley, where it always seemed

633
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: like he either had an obvious five star freshman coming

634
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,239
Speaker 2: in or he had a five star caliber transfer coming in.

635
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: You Kyler, Murray, Baker Mayfield, Caleb Williams at USC and

636
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: now it's Miller Moss, who has been a career backup.

637
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: It is Jade Mayava transferring in from UNLV, losing what

638
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: at one time we thought was going to be the

639
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: future of USC at quarterback in Malachai Nelson, who didn't

640
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: work out at USC is at Boise State. And do

641
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: you get the sense that the ceiling on I of

642
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: these guys competing for the job. And I know this

643
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: sounds like a leading question and it's not meant to

644
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: be like answer yes if you believe yes, is Miller

645
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: Moss's ceiling of the Lincoln Riley caliber quarterback tree. Is

646
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: Jade Mayova's ceiling of that caliber ceiling? Do you get

647
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: that sense or is just going to be a different

648
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: way that USC and Lincoln Riley are going to win

649
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: this year.

650
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: I think it's probably going to be a different way.

651
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 5: I think with Jade Mayava when talking, you know, he

652
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 5: was you know whatever, Mountain West Freshman of the Year there.

653
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 5: You know, it looked really good. I think he does

654
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 5: have a high ceiling. I think with Miller Moss it's

655
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 5: going to be a very different look. I did like

656
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 5: what he did. I guess a pretty good Louisville defense.

657
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 5: You know, Bowl games don't mean a whole lot, but

658
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 5: you know, six touchdown passes and they weren't like dump

659
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 5: off there. Five of them were thrown into the end zone.

660
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 5: And he really bonded with this young group. They got

661
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 5: four sophomore wide receivers that have all been I've looked

662
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 5: really spectacular at different points of the time. So I

663
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 5: think that's a pretty core group. With Caleb Williams, you know,

664
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 5: number one pick in the NFL draft, the Heisman Trophy,

665
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 5: you know, comparisons to Patrick Mahomes. Albert Breer wrote a

666
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 5: really good story about the if you got to check

667
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 5: it out on what went into the Bear's mindset when

668
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 5: you pick him and if you read that story as

669
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 5: even more impressive of everything that kind of Caleb Williams does.

670
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 5: But you feel like with Miller Moss, he's going to

671
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 5: like work within the constraints of whatever the offense is.

672
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 5: So sort of like what Sean Payton really wanted, like

673
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 5: you know, Russell Wilson to do in Denver, it wasn't

674
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 5: really working out.

675
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: He's more of an improv guy. And you know, it worked.

676
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: The improv thing worked.

677
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 5: But I think with Miller Moss, it's going to be

678
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 5: here's what the plays are, and then you're probably going

679
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 5: to be running pretty close to exactly what that is.

680
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 5: And then you know, if you have to do some

681
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 5: improv stuff, you can. So I think it's gonna be different.

682
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 5: I think he's you know, he's got a high IQ

683
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 5: football IQ. I think he's shown he can execute what

684
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 5: you know, Lincoln Rally is asking for. So it'll be

685
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 5: interesting to see Lincoln Rally short of shift from man

686
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 5: I call that play and then Caleb did this, but

687
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 5: then it was a touchdown. It didn't matter anyway too Like, hey,

688
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 5: if but my play good, it's going to be you know,

689
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 5: executed well by Miller Moss. For the future, I mean

690
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 5: mav I think he could be more of that guy

691
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 5: that there's improvincive going on. But I think he's I

692
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 5: don't think he's ready to be a starting quarterback in

693
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 5: the in the Big ten quite yet just from what

694
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 5: we've seen.

695
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, it'll be different. I think with with Miller Moss.

696
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 5: We'll see, you know, if he's able to keep that up,

697
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 5: you know, a week after week and execute what's going on.

698
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 5: But I feel like it's gonna be a different way

699
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 5: to win linco In. Riley's one with a lot of

700
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 5: different kind of quarterbacks and we'll see if I don't

701
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 5: know if there's been one like Miller Moss, we'll see

702
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 5: if he can be the next one in the long

703
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 5: line of whatever. Whatever Riley, whoever quarterback Riley touch, it

704
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: seems to work out pretty good.

705
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: What is the state of USC's high school recruiting right now?

706
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: Obviously they have two hugely high profile commitments from players

707
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: from across the country. Is their belief that they're going

708
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: to hold on to those guys? Is their belief that

709
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: they're going to continue to grow their national recruiting footprint,

710
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: which US sorely needs, especially on the West Coast. If

711
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: you want to you know, string together top ten classes.

712
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: It's not going to strictly come from California. And there

713
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: was you know, a quote that I think raised some

714
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: eyebrows from Lincoln Riley. That's saying, you know, everybody wants

715
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: us to recruit California. That's sorry, we're not doing that.

716
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: What is the state of USC's recruiting and ceiling for

717
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: USC's recruiting right now?

718
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

719
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 5: I think it helped that they brought in Eric Henderson

720
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 5: from the Rams, who coached Aaron Donald, and he just

721
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 5: seems to be for an NFL guy, He's you know,

722
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 5: been like an ACE recruiter for USC. And I think

723
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: having like Aaron Donald on campus for one of the

724
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 5: big recruiting weekends and they got some defensive linemen from

725
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 5: Georgia and stuff to commit, I think that's helped. That

726
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 5: was sort of the high water mark a month or

727
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 5: so ago, and then you know, it's been kind of

728
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 5: like okay since then, but that was a big one.

729
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 5: I think all that did come after when the NCAA

730
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 5: backed off the nil rules that you were supposed to follow,

731
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 5: the you know, the Collective House of Victory was able

732
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 5: to get involved in the recruiting process, and I think

733
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 5: that's helped a lot. But again that USC was a

734
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 5: little be behind in that where it wasn't a big

735
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 5: part of you know, the recruiting weekend.

736
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: You weren't meeting.

737
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 5: With the head of the collective to tell you, like

738
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 5: what you could possibly do when you when you got here.

739
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 5: So they're doing that now. So I think they're I

740
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 5: think it's on the upswing a little bit. I mean,

741
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 5: and I think they've done a pretty good job with evaluations.

742
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 5: Even the players they've brought in for the class of

743
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, You're like, Okay, these guys look like,

744
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 5: you know, they can play. Maybe he was a high

745
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 5: three star, but he looks like he can, you know,

746
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 5: be a player there and things like that. So I

747
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 5: think they're doing okay, but they're not. It's not gangbusters

748
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 5: like a lot of people thought when Lincoln Riley sort

749
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 5: of came in that you were just going to be,

750
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 5: you know, bringing in all this five star talent all

751
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 5: the time. I think they can, you know, they can

752
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 5: get there, but especially on the defensive side, they needed

753
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 5: to kind of prove something on the field in the

754
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 5: last two years.

755
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: It just they didn't really do anything. But I think

756
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 4: the new.

757
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 5: Staff has got some good energy on the defensive side

758
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 5: and he'll always be able to get offensive players. To me,

759
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 5: it's more like the linemen. California. You can recruit a

760
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 5: lot of skill guys, quarterbacks come out of here.

761
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 4: The linemen.

762
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 5: It's just we've seen be more of a developmental thing

763
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 5: where you're getting a two ordan and fifty five pound

764
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 5: offensive lineman that three zero five by his sophomore year

765
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 5: and he's, you know, can potentially all conference, where if

766
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 5: you're getting from the South, like you're getting guys that

767
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 5: look like NFL bodies already. It's it's just been a

768
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 5: little different. So I think that's why you have to

769
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 5: be able to recruit nationally. It's just we're not seeing

770
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 5: the same, you know, level of ready made lineman on

771
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 5: the West Coast that we were maybe you know, fifteen

772
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 5: years ago, like in the peak Carroll era.

773
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: So I'm curious because you bring up offense. When you

774
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: watched ESPN, when you watched whatever draft shows anybody or

775
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: mock drafts that people were evaluating Caleb Williams, they had,

776
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: you know, an overflowing number of things positive to say

777
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: about Caleb Williams. But something that came up over and

778
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: over and over again, it seemed, was USC's offensive line,

779
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: USC's receivers and really USC's scheme catching strays saying this

780
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: is Caleb Williams didn't have much to work with upfront,

781
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: didn't you know? His receivers there was ap off after

782
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: having Jordan Addison in twenty twenty two, and scheme wise,

783
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: it was very confusing what USC was trying to do,

784
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: and you know, was was sort of leaving points on

785
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: the board. To what degree do you think that was

786
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: a fair evaluation of USC's offense last year? And I

787
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: think to spin it positively, add any sort of context,

788
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: and give the people coast to coast around the globe

789
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: reasons to believe that the offensive line, the skill talents

790
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 2: was for whatever reason, in a weird place last year,

791
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: but will be better this year.

792
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the offensive line criticism is you know, warranted.

793
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 5: I think you know, they move some guys around, and

794
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 5: you had some veterans like Jonah Manheim playing left tackle,

795
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 5: you know, maybe.

796
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 4: Not his best position. Justin died Itch moved.

797
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 5: Into center and you know he did fine there. Now

798
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 5: you're they're moving Mannheim back to center and he's probably

799
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 5: going to be a you know, interior offensive lineman at

800
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 5: the NFL level. They had some transfers that kind of

801
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 5: missed on and it just didn't quite work where I

802
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 5: thought their first year they did a nice job with

803
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 5: a group of veterans and some transfers they brought in

804
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 5: and the chemistry worked. You know, the offensive line is

805
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 5: kind of one of those like if you talk to

806
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 5: offensive linement, it's like five fingers on hand. They all

807
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 5: have to work together. I think that hand worked pretty

808
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: well twenty twenty two. It just wasn't quite working in

809
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three. And I think that put a lot

810
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 5: more pressure on Caleb Williams and him trying to make plays.

811
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 5: And you know, he's got the he can be a hero.

812
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 5: You know, he can go out there and do crazy things.

813
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 5: And it was weird though, how the skill positions didn't

814
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 5: quite work. I mean, we saw I think, you know,

815
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 5: you've had for a couple of years in a row.

816
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 5: They bringing Travis Dye, who was a really good leader

817
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 5: from Oregon. And for the culture part of it, I

818
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 5: give Lincoln Riley credit because there was a whole lot

819
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 5: of transfers and somehow it was a you know, the

820
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 5: locker room was cohesive, and you got guys like Die

821
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 5: coming in as new players and being leaders in there.

822
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 5: And Austin Jones from Stanford was kind of the number

823
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 5: two guy the last two years.

824
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 4: I thought he did well.

825
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 5: And they bring in Marshawn Lloyd from South Carolina and

826
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 5: he was drafted fairly high, and you know, he was

827
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 5: a you know, a fan favorite and someone that could

828
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 5: be a leader in the locker room too. So I

829
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 5: felt like they were good at the running back spot.

830
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 5: You know, Jordan Addison year one and he was amazing.

831
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 5: And they bring in Dorian Singer last year from you know,

832
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 5: he his number two receiver in the in the Pac

833
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 5: twelve out of Arizona, and it just didn't click for

834
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 5: whatever reason. And you know, they had some good individual

835
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 5: players there, like Brendan Rice led the team in touchdowns.

836
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 5: He was drafted. You know late Tosh Washington was just steady,

837
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 5: maybe not you know, the superstar kind of guy, but

838
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 5: always made plays, have had over a thousand yards and

839
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 5: he ended up getting drafted too. So those are kind

840
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 5: of the guys that Caleb Williams rely on. But you

841
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 5: thought Singer could be that number one guy. They just

842
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 5: never really had one of those, So I feel like

843
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 5: they were pretty good and the younger players, those freshmen.

844
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 5: There were four freshmen that you know, have all looked

845
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 5: really good and I think they're going to be the

846
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 5: core of that receiving group now. And they all have

847
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 5: like superstar you know, potential with Deuce Robinson and Jacoby

848
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 5: Lane and Mackay Lemon and zachar Ryah Branch. They're all

849
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 5: like potential superstars. But last year there was like this

850
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 5: kind of void of a number one guy, and they

851
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 5: thought it was gonna be singer and it just never

852
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 5: kind of worked out. So I think some of the

853
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 5: criticism is warranted, but I feel like, you know, it's

854
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 5: really more about the offensive line. That's they had some

855
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 5: good players there, but for whatever reason, it just didn't

856
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 5: They didn't gel and it didn't work together. And then

857
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 5: not having a number one receiver like a Jordan Natison,

858
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 5: I think that kind of hurt them as well.

859
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: Just a few more for you, Ryan. We've talked about

860
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 3: vibes on offense and defense. What are the vibes about

861
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: joining the Big ten as a whole, both in terms

862
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: of the people that are running the USC program and

863
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: the people such as yourself who are covering the program, Like,

864
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 3: what's it done to the travel budget? Ryan, how do

865
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 3: you feel about how do you feel about the huge

866
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: transition that you're about.

867
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: To abandoned the East Coast and now he's being forced

868
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: to go back time. Yeah he's from I think Massachusetts, right, Yeah, Yeah,

869
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: I went.

870
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: To high school in Massachusetts. Yeah.

871
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 5: One of my writers is from Maryland, Maryland, so he's

872
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 5: excited for that trip. But yeah, the travel budgets going up,

873
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 5: for sure, that's okay, you know whatever. I think there'll

874
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 5: be some some fun trips. Usually it's the Notre Dame game,

875
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 5: you going to Chicago and everything, and how you got

876
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 5: like four of those a year, So that'll be a

877
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 5: little bit different, but you know, we'll see. I think

878
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 5: there's I think there's a potential for a lot more

879
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 5: listeners to your podcast. If you know USC's hosting Washington

880
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 5: State versus like Wisconsin, probably you know a little bit

881
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 5: different feel for what's going on there. But I still

882
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 5: it's hard to kind of wrap your arms around. Even

883
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 5: when we were talking about the twenty twenty four recruiting

884
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 5: class and they're like they're never going to play a

885
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 5: PAC twelve game. They're going into the Big ten, and

886
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 5: that was just hard to kind of wrap your mind around,

887
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 5: like they're never this is a Big ten class already,

888
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 5: and I think it's it's hard for people to sort

889
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 5: of grasp and for you know, USC and Ucla they

890
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 5: were kind of the first to go over Oregon and

891
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 5: Washington coming in there. But like if you're Cal fan

892
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 5: and you're like you're going to the ACC, like what

893
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 5: like this a lot of this stuff is really weird.

894
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 5: I think the fans are on board. I think, you know,

895
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 5: USC fans probably more than UCLA fans are. They're happy

896
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 5: with that. You know, they've been in the rose ball

897
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 5: a lot, They've played a lot of those teams. There's

898
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 5: a lot of tradition there between some of the bigger brands,

899
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 5: you know, Michigan and Ohio State and some Penn State

900
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 5: games and things, and you know for us to meet,

901
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's still hard to sort of grasp.

902
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm still doing a PAC twelve podcast. It's like,

903
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 5: now we've got to figure out what we're going to

904
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 5: do going forward, because it was a lot of fun

905
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 5: to kind of you know, we still talk about these teams.

906
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 5: It's like all the teams that used to be together

907
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 5: and now they're not, And so I don't.

908
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: They didn't move like there, Utah is still located in

909
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City, but yeah.

910
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a Utah radio show tomorrow, I'm like, what why,

911
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 5: Like we're not the USC is not playing.

912
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I right in your deep Texas

913
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: tech thoughts and Utah how they match up right right right?

914
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 5: It's it's weird, and it's it's it's just hard to

915
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 5: sort of come to terms like this is going to

916
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 5: be the reality. But I think USC and and you know,

917
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 5: I'm I can't speak for like Oregon or Washington fans.

918
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 5: I think they're excited too, it's just UCLA there. I

919
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 5: think they wanted to be, you know, on the West

920
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 5: coast more and I think I think most fans would

921
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 5: love to still have these regional games and everything, but

922
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 5: knowing just the landscape, you kind of have to do it.

923
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 5: And I think they've did a pretty good job of

924
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 5: kind of buying in to be like, hey, you know,

925
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 5: are they happy they're not going to play callin Stafford

926
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 5: every year like they have for one hundred years or whatever.

927
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 5: Like I think they would love to be able to

928
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 5: do that. But you know, when you got some fun

929
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 5: games on the schedule, you're like, you're going to the

930
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 5: big House, Like okay, Like that's going to be a

931
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 5: good time, you know, Like you know, as you see,

932
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 5: like going to Rutgers is going to be a lot

933
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 5: of fun. Probably not, but there's a lot of cool games.

934
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 5: You know that you're going to be able to embrace.

935
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: A lot a lot of new combinations.

936
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: For sure.

937
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: Let's bring it full circle. Let's bring it right back

938
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: to the top. We started this whole conversation for the

939
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 3: USC fans listening. Full disclosure, I am playing Devil's advocate

940
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: with this thought experiment, so I don't want to catch

941
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: the strays. It just got to got to complete the

942
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 3: cycle here, Ryan, Okay, sure. Caleb Williams, as you described,

943
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 3: arguably the most decorated USC quarterback at a good long time,

944
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: certainly since Matt Winer. Now he's gone. There is a

945
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: case to be made that if Lincoln Riley couldn't do

946
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: it with him, it's never going to happen. So to

947
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 3: bring this whole thing full circle, will it ever happen

948
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: for Lincoln Riley at USC?

949
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's you cover the team and you're

950
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 5: around it. Sometimes I think you can be overly pessimistic.

951
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 5: Sometimes you can. I try to just be sort of

952
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 5: even keel, and sometimes you're wrong and the fans will

953
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 5: get mad at you. Like I said, Hey, the defense

954
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 5: is gonna better last year, and they were. They were worse,

955
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 5: they were awful, and they're like, you know what you're

956
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 5: talking about. I'm like, fair enough. My feeling is that

957
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 5: they can get it right, that they win. It works

958
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 5: at USC. There are just some inherent advantages that you

959
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 5: probably don't get other places. And the game has changed,

960
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 5: and I think you could make a bunch of bad

961
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 5: decisions before at USC and just it sort of didn't

962
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 5: matter as much. You could make some bad hires, but

963
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 5: it was still us.

964
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 4: Were kind of like you.

965
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 5: Were Alabama on the West coast and there wasn't a

966
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 5: Georgia or an LSU or Florida anywhere near you. So

967
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 5: even if you didn't do it perfect, you could do Okay,

968
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 5: that's not the case anymore. You're going to have to

969
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 5: play you know, you have to do things kind of perfectly.

970
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 5: But with the leadership they have in place, I do

971
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 5: feel that you know, if things work out right, they

972
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 5: have the potential to make this work and go to

973
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 5: the play They've never been to a playoff before, go

974
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 5: to the first time. You know, I feel like they

975
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 5: can do that. And it's not just about you know,

976
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 5: how good was Caleb Williams, because he was amazing. We've

977
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 5: seen Lincoln rather have a lot of amazing quarterbacks. But

978
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 5: it's hard to have a really good team with only

979
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 5: a great offense. So it's to me now it's more about, hey,

980
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 5: you got a pretty good defense, just average defense. But

981
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 5: if you get a pretty good defense with a top five,

982
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 5: top ten sort of offense that doesn't maybe have the

983
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 5: Caleb william heights, but still puts up a ton of points,

984
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 5: then yeah, you're going to beat a lot of teams

985
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 5: on your schedule.

986
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: So I think they can do it. We'll see.

987
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 5: You know, Lincoln Riley took over a great situation with

988
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 5: Bob Stoops, and this is rebuild. Maybe year one was

989
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 5: ahead of schedule and then year two sort of drop behind.

990
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 5: Can he kind of put it all together and build

991
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 5: it up and do it. I think he can. You know,

992
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 5: pers would be in the pudding. But I really feel

993
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 5: ti that they have the potential to do that if

994
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 5: they can, you know, get.

995
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: It all work it.

996
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: Final question, you are the expert, you are the local.

997
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: I'm a former local. If you're a fan of a

998
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: Big ten team visiting downtown Los Angeles, so that includes

999
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: Wisconsin fans, Penn State fans, Rutgers fans, Nebraska fans, where

1000
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: should somebody eat Los Angeles food in downtown?

1001
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god, there's so many.

1002
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: I have my answer, but I want you're there every day.

1003
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,959
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go. I say, let's do Philips good answer.

1004
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 5: Apecial, you know, potentially the home of the French dip sandwich.

1005
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 5: I think there's some argument there, but it's a really

1006
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 5: good sort of downtown place that you can go to.

1007
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: There'll be a line.

1008
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 5: It's like you know, deli counter kind of stuff. It's

1009
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 5: a great That was a great one. There's a lot

1010
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 5: of good options down there.

1011
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 4: I got.

1012
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 5: I don't know if I told you, Dan, there was

1013
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 5: this I can't even remember the name of it, but

1014
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: there was like a Michelin's not Michelin Star, but a

1015
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 5: Michelin raided Okay taco place near USC's campus that I

1016
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 5: a friend took me to the other day and it

1017
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 5: was like big long line. But it was it was

1018
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 5: I figure what it's called Michelin raided or one of those.

1019
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 5: The chef was there. I'll find it out for you

1020
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 5: to send it to you, but you don't.

1021
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 4: It was it?

1022
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: Okay, So I had my answer, and it's a taco

1023
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 2: place that's excellent near the USC's campus called Sonora Town.

1024
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that that would be my recommendation. Phillips is great.

1025
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: Tie Phillips, as he mentioned, French dip. Take it easy

1026
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: on the spicy mustard. It's a little bit more hoton

1027
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: then you think, right, start slow with the spicy mustard.

1028
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 2: That's all I'm gonna say.

1029
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great one too. Yeah, I'll give you

1030
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 5: I forget the other name, but I'll give you that one.

1031
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 5: But Phillips is like a mainstay. And then you know,

1032
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 5: there's a lot of good stuff in La but Phillips

1033
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 5: is one you wouldn't regret going to.

1034
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: All right, Ryan Abraham two four seven USC Football The

1035
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: Parastyle Podcast. It's just such a no brainer to subscribe

1036
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: to The Parastyle if you're at all interested in USC football,

1037
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: and to check out USC football dot com. Thank you,

1038
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: as always for all of your time and insight.

1039
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much. Honor again and appreciate all

1040
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: you do.

1041
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: All right, there you go.

1042
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: Ryan Abraham back on the show for the umpteenth time,

1043
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: always giving us insight on USC football again. Check him

1044
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: out at USC football dot com, the Parastyle Podcast. As

1045
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: we said at the top, Ryan is a luminary in

1046
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: the USC digital media space. He has been here forever

1047
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 3: doing this forever. Nobody knows more about this than him,

1048
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: and as always were grateful for his time.

1049
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: Who would we be sending? You know, SNL has the

1050
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: like five Timers club thing where they have like the

1051
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: velvet smoking jacks jackets or whatever, and like Paul Rudd

1052
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 2: and Tina Fey and Steve Martin. I guess what we've

1053
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: got Bruce Feldman and Bruce.

1054
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 3: Andy, probably ari Ari at this point. Obviously Ryan, he's

1055
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: been a bunch of horse.

1056
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 2: Jed Williams back in the day.

1057
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chip Patterson probably gets one of those

1058
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 3: jackets as well.

1059
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: Show up, got them multitude of times.

1060
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: I don't know how long it's been, but Chip's been

1061
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 3: on this show a gazillion times.

1062
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1063
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: Stu Mandel has been on the show.

1064
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: Sure, it's been on a bunch, a bunch of Pete.

1065
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had Pete. Any organ guys other than you.

1066
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: That we've had on the show recently, we've had Matt

1067
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: Primont I think a couple of times. I don't think

1068
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: he gets the jacket two four seven quite, he's not

1069
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: quite at that level yet. Spencer probably gets a jack

1070
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: Spencer Hall, sure, he's.

1071
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: Been on the show multitude of times.

1072
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 2: We're getting somebody stupid, I'm sure, but yeah, had butt

1073
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: on a bunch, yeah, Bud, Yeah, all right, so let's

1074
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: get those smoking jackets going. Come on, ty in all

1075
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: these years, it's a lot of jackets to give out.

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Speaker 1: But maybe we can look into that.

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Speaker 3: Richard. We had Richard on a bunch of times. Nicole, Nicole,

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Speaker 3: Michael hour back a ton. Yeah, we could probably go

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Speaker 3: through and figure this out. It would take all a

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Speaker 3: lot of jackets, damn it. Okay, definitely blows the budget.

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Speaker 2: Adam Amine has been on a tome Adam explaining the

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Speaker 2: broadcast industry. Yep, that's great, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Nate Tye is getting closed too.

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Speaker 2: Nate Tys is getting up there.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's.

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Speaker 3: Been five appearances quite yet, but maybe next year we'll

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Speaker 3: adding up all right, all right, usc football dot Com

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Speaker 3: Parastyle Podcast. Hope y'all learn something I know we did.

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Speaker 3: We'll continue doing this now through the month of May,

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Speaker 3: throughout the off season as time permits. Look, there are

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Speaker 3: a bunch of teams. We've I had a bunch of

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Speaker 3: questions about those teams, and we're going to do our

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Speaker 3: best to try and answer them and give you a

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Speaker 3: little bit more insight as we begin this slow build

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Speaker 3: into the college football preseason. We're not in the preseason yet.

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Speaker 3: It's the lead off season. Give it like two months

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Speaker 3: then we're gonna start calling it the preseason. So we're

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Speaker 3: kind of revving the engines up here, getting into position

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Speaker 3: and hopefully getting off on the right foot.

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Speaker 2: This is when you are working on your deadlift pr

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Speaker 2: right correct. You're sort of in that gym grinding as

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Speaker 2: a soft season because you got to improve something. And

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Speaker 2: Ties squatting and deadlifting like you cannot.

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Speaker 1: He can't.

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Speaker 2: He can barely fit through a door. If you're watching this,

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Speaker 2: you can see If if you're not watching this, get

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: We talk every morning about activating the glut stand you

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Speaker 2: You joke, Tie. My life has been so much better

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Speaker 1: That's active glutes.

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Speaker 4: Tie.

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Speaker 3: Activating the glutes is important when you sit at desk

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Speaker 2: Keep true. I joke not I know it's huge, that's

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Speaker 3: Follow, hit, subscribe wherever it is you get this podcast.

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Speaker 3: bit about USC big. Thanks again to Ryan Abraham Er

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Speaker 3: guest of honor today. We will be back next week

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