1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Null. They called 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's the top of 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: the week. Uh. This is where my colleagues and I 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: search the world, the outer reaches of the universe and 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: find some uh weird, sometimes funny, sometimes fascinating, sometimes terrifying 13 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: stories that maybe haven't gotten their due in mainstream met 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: So our stories today um touch on the the precipice 15 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: of ecological disaster. Uh, they touch on um they literally 16 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: touch on some delicate aspects of diplomacy. And we also 17 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: may spoil or alert do some magic like actual magic 18 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: with the K Live for You, Live for us, uh 19 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: somehow alive in the show today. But I think we're 20 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: gonna you're sure we're not just gonna tap some swamps, 21 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: because I mean, I could do that I could get 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: into that. Yes, yeah, absolutely, Um, what kind of deck 23 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: are you building today? It's okay, it's one of those 24 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: things that somebody who's listening gets it, they go reference, 25 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: and if they don't, it just goes right by. Are 26 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: you Are you just making a euphemistic reference to my 27 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: story that I'm about to do tapping swamps? No, but 28 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: it does work, and I didn't think about it that way, 29 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: and that's gross, but it was just as TG reference. Sah. 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: But let's let's let's start there. Maybe, Um, let's go 31 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: to China where there is you know, you know, it 32 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: seems like there's always a conflict between the West and 33 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: China these days, but this one in particular is uh, 34 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: it's one you might not expect. People arriving at the 35 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: airport certainly didn't. Yeah, it's because it's it's kind of 36 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: a hilarious but yet delicate, like you said, been um, 37 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: example of how diplomacy really is kind of this like 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: super super uh tender balancing act. Let's just say you 39 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: can't some balancing act can't be tender, but I'm still 40 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: gonna stick with it. So, you know, I think we 41 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: may have talked about and then folks may have heard that. UM. 42 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: In China, Uh, they have leaned more toward a particular 43 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: type of COVID nineteen test. Uh. The Chinese government and 44 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: and their scientists feel that it's more accurate. Uh and 45 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: it you know does not It uses the same type 46 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: of swab that we use here in the United States. UM, 47 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: the ones that you shove up you into your nose 48 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: so far up it feels like it's about to tap 49 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: your brain and then gently rotated. And I think many 50 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: of us have probably had that experience uh self administered. 51 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: But in China they stick that probe in a different 52 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: place and it's it's your butt and UM, that is 53 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: how they've been doing it. And apparently there's been some 54 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: um diplomatic kerfuffle around this notion that US diplomats traveling 55 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: to China are you know, being you know when in 56 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: China to do as the Chinese do, and that apparently 57 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: involves sticking uh anal swabs into uranus or having that 58 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: done in order to be able to board that plane 59 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: or or be able to get off that plane. UM. 60 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: So there have been reports from outlets here in the 61 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: United States of diplomats complaining to have to go through 62 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: this um demoralizing proceeds in in their minds demoralizing procedure. Uh. 63 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: It's not all over China, it's just certain cities, but 64 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: they have been using this claiming that it can, according 65 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: to the BBC reporting quote, increase the detection rate of 66 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: infected people. UM and China. It's interestingly enough, being you 67 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: know what we consider the epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic 68 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: has pretty much done a quite a fine job of 69 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: bringing the virus under control. Many would argue a much 70 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: better job than we've done here in the United States. 71 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: Uh So. A spokesperson for the Chinese Foreign Ministry by 72 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: the name of Zao li Jian has denied these claims, 73 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: uh saying that China has never required the U. S. 74 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: Diplomatic staff station in China to conduct anal swab tests. 75 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: Uh So, you know what's going on here? Is this 76 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: like a flex Nothing more dangerous or terrifying than a 77 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: bureaucrat with a little bit of power, um, you know, 78 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit of ill will towards Americans. 79 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: Perhaps that's where this is isolated events of of you know, 80 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: bureaucrats saying no, you gotta you gotta do the annal 81 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: swab test, buddy, um or you're not getting you're not 82 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: getting into the country. UM, I'm not sure. It's interesting 83 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: that I love the fact that they're denying it, but 84 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: yet they're there are reports of these these claims, of 85 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: these complaints being being filed by UH. I mean like 86 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: it's official, there's some kind of like you know, official 87 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: report being generated. But I don't know, Guys, I would 88 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: like take it to the group here. What do you 89 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: think if I could just quickly a couple of things 90 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: I want to talk about with this and then we 91 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: can have discussion. What the first one is that we 92 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: know that your anus, my anus, everybody's anus. It's just 93 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: the other end of this tube system that we've got 94 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: going on in our bodies, right, and one of the end, 95 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: one of one of the ends, right, this is the 96 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: first one. That's the other one. Um, we're you know, 97 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: culturally across the globe, there's a lot of taboo associated 98 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: with our butts. Um, and scientifically it's there's not that 99 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: much of a difference. It's just the it's the it's 100 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: the out right um spicy food burns on both ends 101 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: because yeah, precisely, and and I'm not saying that I'm 102 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: comfortable with anal swabs. It is like, let's just let's 103 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: do it all the time. I guess what I mean 104 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: is if there's a scientific reason to use them, then 105 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's not such a bad thing. And according 106 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: to what I've been reading, swabbing there rather than your mouth, 107 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: you have a better chance of detecting the virus because 108 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: we we know that it collects down there more. There's 109 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: a there's a larger chance of getting a positive if 110 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: you have been infected. If you do if it's after 111 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: the first week. That's the important part because we're looking 112 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: at something time sensitive, So you could you can still 113 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: UM test negative but be carrying COVID UH and have 114 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: a negative test with an anal swab there. There are 115 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: a couple of things about this story the way it's 116 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: been um reported that I think bear further scrutiny. First, 117 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: it's not just the US. Japanese officials have been uh 118 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: subjected to this NOL. As you said, it's not the 119 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: entirety of the country of China. Newsweek's fact check rated 120 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: it half true. Uh. The primary question here is one 121 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: of informed consent, and you can hear from the diplomats 122 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: themselves or unnamed officials who I guess didn't want their 123 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: full title and position being quoted. Where When they complained 124 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: about this right the one spokesperson for the State Department 125 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: noted that the problem for them was that their their 126 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: organization had never agreed to this method of testing. They 127 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: pro tested it. As soon as they found out that 128 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: some US mission individuals were subjected to it, they protested 129 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: directly to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs UM, as did Japan, 130 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: citing psychological distress because you know, we have to realize 131 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: that some of these people who are being told to 132 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: do this are the kind of people who were usually 133 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: not told to do a bunch of things, much less 134 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: have have this kind of test, which they you know, 135 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: several people probably considered undignified. Yeah. Well, and that's a 136 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: really good point, bn because this really is at the 137 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: at the heart of this it's a it's a our 138 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: discussion about cultural taboos. Right, Like to to the Chinese, 139 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: he was like, who cares, what's the big deal? It's 140 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: a more accurate test. Why the hangups about but stuff? 141 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: And in the United States, it's something that people don't 142 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: talk about, you know, it's it's considered kind of like 143 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: super taboo or like you said, undignified. It's the idea 144 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: of something being done to them that is intended to 145 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: um in some way cause them distress. And you're and 146 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: you're right now. The Vice World News did a piece 147 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: on this a couple of days ago or late last week, 148 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: and they quoted this UM statement at the State Department 149 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: never agree to this kind of testing and protested directly 150 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, like you said, when 151 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: we learned that some staff were subject to it. UM. 152 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: And and now we have people from the Chinese government 153 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: saying this never happened. Um. So I I'm not quite 154 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: sure where this leaves us. Uh, but but also um again. 155 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: The Vice article h the headline is China gave us 156 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: anal COVID tests in error, American officials saying, yeah, well, 157 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: the good news is if you are from South Korea, 158 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: your government has a special deal with China, you can 159 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: submit a stool sample that they'll check instead of having 160 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: the actual swab. So then it becomes like what feels 161 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: more awkward to you, uh, someone you don't know administering 162 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: this test or handing someone you don't know a small 163 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: jar of your poop and saying I hope everything works out. 164 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: I hope you're the right person. Is this just a 165 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: random at the airport taking poop? And if so, why 166 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: do you have to do it on the site? Like 167 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: do you do you bring it from home? Like? So 168 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: many questions. I agreed, yes, so many questions. This is 169 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: the way I know you want to keep going. This 170 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: is exactly want to bring up. Just let me know 171 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: when you're done. I want to bring I want to 172 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: bring it back to this. Okay. Another I think a 173 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: point that we do need to emphasize is the the 174 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: argument that there is some increased efficacy to the anal 175 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: swab or the fecal test because the World Health Organization 176 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: doesn't agree. They still recommend respiratory track testing UM because 177 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: they give the best samples. They're really worried about that 178 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: week of when that week where there might be a 179 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: false negative window. I see, that's interesting. And it's also 180 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: if you're testing up here, that's where it's really transferable, 181 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: like the most transferable right with a coffer sneeze or 182 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: breathing and talkingtyle correct, but the probability is higher that 183 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: you would infect others like overall. Right, if you're if 184 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: you're getting it through those droplets, um well. The thing 185 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring it back to Ben and Noll 186 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: was that we we just got a new dog from 187 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: the shelter. Well, yeah, she's amazing, but I have to 188 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: take her in to a vet immediately to get her 189 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: anal glands expressed. No, okay, do have to have done. 190 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I just found about this and it's disgusting. 191 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I even brought it back to that. It's okay, 192 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: but what I do have. What I have to do 193 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: today is gather her poop up into in this case 194 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: a bag and take it with me to to the doctor, 195 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: because it's one of the best ways to take a 196 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: look at what's going on inside of her and a 197 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: lot of health issues she may be having. So I'm 198 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: just thinking about it in that way. I don't mean 199 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: to be the advocate for poop testing overall or global 200 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: poop testing, but it does feel like that's not something 201 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 1: I can't remember a time if I've ever done it. 202 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever had a stool sample tested 203 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: from like a doctor or from just a situation from 204 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: a physician, but like testing my gut bacteria and stuff 205 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: like I'm interested to know because we science is leading 206 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: us closer and closer to showing that our gut bacteria 207 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: and everything that's going on down there is highly important. 208 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: It's huge. It can also affect aspects of your cognitive state. 209 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: Like the fecal transplant stuff you should know as a 210 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: great episode on fecal transplants, I highly recommend that to 211 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: anyone interested. But the gut biome, which we've talked about 212 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: in previous episodes, Um, I think we're going to see 213 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: some amazing research come out in the near to mid 214 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: term regarding the potential the medical potential of US, both 215 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,479 Speaker 1: as a diagnostic tool and as a way to possibly 216 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: treat or mitigate some ongoing issues that people might have. 217 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: With that being said, you know, it's still pretty it's 218 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: almost like you could say it's where DNA testing was 219 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: maybe ten or eight years ago, right, And so there's 220 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: not to my knowledge so far, there's not like a 221 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: twenty three and poop that will help set you up 222 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: with a microbiome transfer or analyze your own fecal matter 223 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: for you. Just how do you mail it? You know, what? 224 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: How does it work? But yeah, yeah, yeah, and tree 225 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: dot com. Yeah, Uh, the problem is, I mean, I 226 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: think one of the big points here is that we 227 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: do have to ask how much soft cultural taboos stymy 228 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: the progress of science or the treatment of disease, you know, 229 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: like um, it's also one of the first medical things 230 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: people figured out as a species. There are medieval treatises 231 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: a plenty on. Like a thing doctors used to do 232 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: back in the day is they would always ask people 233 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: for their urine or their feces when they die diagnosed, 234 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: i say, their medical conditions, and they would have you 235 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: like urinate. This was only for the wealthy people, obviously. 236 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: They would have you urinate into a flask and they 237 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: would just like hold it up in the light, shake 238 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: it around, sniffett and I want to be too gross, 239 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: but they did probably sip a little bit of it 240 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: and uh. And this would all be meant as a 241 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: diagnostic tool, or at least that's what they said. So 242 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: so the species is just better at doing something that 243 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: it was already doing. This. This kind of historical context, 244 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: of course, is a cold comfort to someone who has 245 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: just been told they can't leave the airports were quarantined 246 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: unless they make very good friends with this doctor, I 247 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: wonder if it's like a situation where somebody was being 248 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: unfriendly or a little bit agrew at the border and 249 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: maybe someone used power that they didn't legally have to 250 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: make a mandate. What do you think that? That was 251 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: my kind of theory, just the idea of some you know, 252 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: bureaucrat or some UH airport worker flexing a little bit 253 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: to make a point, literally a point UH stuck three 254 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: to five centimeters up the anus and gently rotated. Um that. Yeah, 255 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: I did want to point out that the numbers there 256 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: three to five centimeters a lot less than is required 257 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: sticking that swab up your nasal cavity. So I would 258 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: argue this might be less unpleasant than the nasal tests, 259 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: which is highly unpleasant and makes your eye water and 260 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: it's it really is a very invasive sensation. Um, you know, 261 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: three to five centimeters up the butt. I'm fine with that. 262 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: Seems like a welcomed relief in my book. Well, hopefully 263 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: by the time international travel becomes the norm for people 264 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: in the US UH, there will be vaccination of plenty 265 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: and anal swapping will return an extracurricular exactly. I'm my understanding. Now, 266 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: is it or you know I may be incorrect. You 267 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: guys tell me if I'm wrong. So we're talking about 268 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: when anal swapping test is most effective. It seems like 269 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: it's good for testing. Like you said, Ben, as the 270 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: virus is going through your system, so it's almost like 271 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: late late in the game, it's moving through your system. 272 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: Because that that would make complete sense, and it would 273 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: it would also make sense what the um I think 274 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: his name is Lee Tong jing Uh, someone who was 275 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: responding to this story, who just said that it's generally 276 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: used for people who are in quarantine, so like your 277 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: sting to see if this person is ready to exit quarantine. Um. Yeah, 278 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: because there's there's that window of time where somebody could 279 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: test negative on a respiratory test, right or a you know, 280 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: a nose swab, but they could still test positive on 281 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: that anal swab just because of exactly what you're describing, 282 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: that the process through which the virus propagates through the body. Well, indeed, Uh, 283 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: I think we can probably take a quick sponsor break 284 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: if no one else has any burning uh, never mind 285 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: burning sensations, never mind, No, No, I'm done. Sorry. I 286 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: did eat a lot of hallopenos in a couple of 287 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: hoban arrows earlier, so we'll see, wait, a lot of 288 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: hallapenos and a couple of haban arrows. Yeah, you are 289 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: a glutton for punishment, my friend. But we're gonna take 290 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: a quick word from our sponsor and we'll be right back. 291 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: And we have returned. We're gonna get weird with it, folks. 292 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: I hope you join us for the ride. Let's talk 293 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: a little bit about magic, not stage magic, not David Copperfield, 294 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: not mentalist tricks like Darren Brown. Again, highly recommended. If 295 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: you want to learn more UH social hacking, do check 296 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: out Darren Brown's stuff. We're talking about something old school, 297 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: something called a sigil s I g i l from 298 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: the Latin for seal, and a sigil is one of 299 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: those things you'll know it. You'll know it when you 300 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: see it, even if you've never worked with this kind 301 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: of stuff before. In medieval ceremonial magic, this term usually 302 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: referred to specific signs that were kind of like think 303 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: about it in graphic design terms. They were like the 304 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: logos of specific angels and demons, and idea was that 305 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: through interacting with these sigils UH, the practitioner might be 306 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: able to also interact with these supernatural, divine, infernal entities, 307 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: and you would see list of sigils in grim wis 308 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: one of the best examples, probably the Keys of Solomon, 309 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: which has uh the sigils of seventy two different alleged 310 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: princes of Hell uh. And you would think of these 311 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: if you were a magic practitioner as the true name 312 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: of the spirit at hand. That's okay, that's where it 313 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: comes from. But sigils, the belief in them uh exists 314 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: in the modern day. It's uh. It's weird because sigils, 315 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: like so many other things, maybe evolving. Recently, I learned 316 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: about something that I wanted to share with all of 317 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: us today and then all of us listening at home. 318 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: Occultists are attempting to take magic to the digital age 319 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: by constructing something they call the sigil Engine. UH. It 320 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: is a website that you can go to right now 321 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: if you wish, just sigil engine dot com. And once 322 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: you go there, you'll see is a kind of spooky 323 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: all black background red lettering and one thing that just says, 324 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: right your intention, and then there's a little menu at 325 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: the top right that I highly I highly recommend reading 326 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: the Q and A before you participate in this experiment, 327 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: which we are going to try out online today, um 328 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: and lots of volunteer you guys. I'm definitely gonna do 329 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: it on the air in just a second. Yeah, I've 330 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: got it up. It's a really pretty cool design. It's 331 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: it's very sinister, but like it's gotten just the red 332 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: letter and that kind of these like rising smoke, little 333 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: particles just drifting up. Uh, pretty impressive layout. I like it. 334 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: So here's how practitioners typically use sigils, and there are 335 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: tons of individual approaches to this. First, your idea is 336 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: that you are going to create this sigil from scratch, 337 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: channeling intentional thoughts. You know, I am a billionaire, says 338 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos decades ago while he's scrawling one of these 339 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: things out and through meditation, through this intentional thought, the 340 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: concept for people who believe in this sort of magic 341 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: is that you can imbue the sigil with powerful psychic 342 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: energy and that in turn can influence events in a way. 343 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: It's uh, it bears some similarity to stuff like the Secret, 344 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: but it comes with, you know, a little bit more ritualization. 345 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: You would write down whatever you want to achieve. Here's 346 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: how you make them at home. Write down whatever you 347 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: want to achieve. So let's say I'm just going to 348 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: keep using the cheese steak example. Um, you write that 349 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: down and then you look at the word, so the 350 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: word would be chief steak. You take out all the vowels, 351 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: so the ease and the e a right, And then 352 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: you also take out any repeating letters, and then you 353 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: position the letters however you wish. Uh. They don't all 354 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: have to be in a straight line. You can write, 355 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: you can fuss with them, whatever speaks to you in 356 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: the moment. And now you've got You've created a sigil, 357 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: and so you need to charge this with psychic energy. 358 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: A long time ago, Matt and I learned that the 359 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: creator of one of our favorite graphic novels, The Invisibles, 360 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: resorted to sigils when he felt that his story was 361 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: in danger of not not being fully published, like there 362 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: were sales problems. He was worried it might just get canceled, 363 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: so he had he practiced some chaos magic, some sigil magic, 364 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: and he asked his readers to participate as well. I 365 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: did not, because I read this year's after it came out. Yeah, 366 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: but the methods of charging are where you get to 367 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: another kind of cultural taboo. They vary. You could just meditate, 368 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: like I mentioned, some people sing at their sigils, and 369 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: most commonly or very commonly, people tend to pleasure themselves 370 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: while regarding their symbols, to masturbate. And then after you 371 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: do whatever your method is and you feel like you've 372 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: charged it up, you finally destroy the sigil ritualistically or 373 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: you forget all about it, and then you just wait 374 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: for you know, you wait for that chief state to 375 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: become manifest through your will alone. Obviously, this isn't something 376 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: like everybody's on board with skeptics as you can imagine 377 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: objective this, but the people who do believe in it 378 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: say that it works. It's just mischaracterized because you can't 379 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: push reality too much. It has to be something that 380 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: could be a goal that be within the boundaries of 381 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: your day to day life. Like if you charge a 382 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: sigil with the idea that you will win the lottery, 383 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: you still have to buy a lottery ticket, you know 384 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like that is that's the idea. So Ben, 385 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: I want to talk about this Q and A that 386 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned and what they say about possible ways to 387 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: charge your sigil. You're saying all the correct things. That's 388 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: my understanding of it too, the sexual release, the power 389 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: that's that exists. There is generally my understanding of how 390 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: you charge a sigil. But they are saying there are 391 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: other ways to do it. On the website. Can I 392 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: read a couple of these and okay? Um, it says 393 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: it describes sex magic as one way to to charge it, 394 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: and then it says alternatively, one could use other kinds 395 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: of ecstasy inducing techniques. They give the examples of dancing 396 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: for hours still you drop from exhaustion. We've all done that, right. Um. Flagellation, 397 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: so being struck uh, maybe maybe the referring to self 398 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: flagellation here where you hit yourself or just being fledged 399 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: flaged um. Also, severe sleep deprivation has a way to 400 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: to charge it. Now that one it was interesting to me. 401 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: I didn't I was trying to understand how that would 402 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: imbue it. Maybe the mania that can come in at 403 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: that point after severe sleep deprivation. Well, that's that's a 404 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: good question. So sleep deprivation is fascinating to me. We 405 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: know that after a certain amount of time without sleep, 406 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: aspects of people's cognitive abilities decline, right you have trouble 407 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: remembering things is quickly math becomes more difficult. Um, keeping 408 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: to the point of a conversation narrative is also more difficult. 409 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: But I would argue, and I don't think I'm alone here, 410 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: that you are encountering a tradeoff because creative thinking seems 411 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: to get kind of increasingly, uh, it increasingly bleeds into 412 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: the waking world. So maybe that's part of the idea, 413 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,719 Speaker 1: that you are closer to some creative aspect or closer 414 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: to what I guess we could call a to C 415 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: lateral thinking. Um, that might that might be part of it. 416 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: But you're right, it's all about altering a mental state 417 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: in the presence of this thing. So the you know, 418 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: dancing for hours like a dervish. Religious movements have long 419 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: sought these kind of um approaches to higher states or 420 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: to the feeling of illumination. But here's the thing. The 421 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: sigil engine is cutting out a lot of that work, right, 422 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: and they're they're still giving you those um basic guidelines 423 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: like you know you UM will be better off not 424 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: putting conditionality into you or into your intention, by which 425 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're making a sigil, you would write, 426 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: I have a cheese steak. Not I would like a 427 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: cheese steak, because that it kind of bakes in the 428 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: possibility that it won't happen. Uh. And so what we're 429 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: going to do today is we're not going to um, 430 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: we're not going to charge these on air. Regardless of 431 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: how you go about it, it is. It is a 432 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: somewhat you know, kind of a time consuming process, I 433 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: would imagine. But I so if you want me to 434 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: do a quick one, like, that's fine, okay, right? UM, 435 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: I am, I am on the website. I am going 436 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: to create this, yes, uh. And I think you guys 437 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: each already created one. I've messed around with this earlier 438 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: for a few days. Uh, but I'm gonna do one 439 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: right now. And I don't know if it's one of 440 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: those things where you can't tell people what your original 441 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: what's original thing is? For Pete's sake, don't misspell anything. 442 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: Who knows you could knock reality on its you could 443 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: up end reality, all right, So what happens we can 444 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: describe this process. You have thought about your intention. You've 445 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: realized that sometimes the universe's alignment could be described as 446 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: lawful evil. So you're writing very carefully after you have 447 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: written your intention, you will see the website in real time. 448 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 1: Do the do a version of that sigil construction. It's 449 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: pretty neat to watch, you guys. You guys watched as 450 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: it happened to write the vowels, the double letters get 451 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: dropped out, and then you end up with the sigel. 452 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: Would you guys like to describe yours? It looks like 453 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: this kind of symbol that you might see used for 454 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: like an electronic musician, like a f X twin or something, 455 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: or like the game Half Life. Like I actually save 456 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: this with the intention of maybe figure out how to 457 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: incorporate this into some musical project. It kind of looks 458 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: like a scythe a little bit, but it's in a circle, 459 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: which makes it what makes me think of the A 460 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: fixed one logo. But it's like a straight line with 461 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: a circle at the bottom, and then it crooks over 462 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: one click and then goes down at an angle and 463 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: then down one more click and then has a flat 464 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: little line at the bottom. Do I do have to 465 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: say what my intention was? Or is that a secret 466 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: like birthday wishes? Well, it's a It's it's up to you, 467 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: I think if you want to you want to share 468 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: what your intention is. I don't know. I don't know 469 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: how much that would impact the efficacy in this magical system, 470 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: but yeah, maybe, I guess the easiest way you can 471 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: tell us what it is if you're comfortable but also 472 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 1: be interested in whether or not you you've felt anything 473 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: when you saw it? Did you see it and you go, yes, 474 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: that's it. Well, it's kind of neat just to to 475 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: add the website shows you that process you were kind 476 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: of describing, ben Like, it takes your words and you 477 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: can see the letter is dropping off and then creating 478 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: kind of these points and then they sort of populate 479 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: almost this like zodiac kind of vibe, right, Like it 480 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: sort of feels like they're going into like, you know, 481 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: a night sky kind of situation. The animation is really cool. 482 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: Mine was I am a sex god. I just wanted 483 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: something silly and dumb, and uh, you know, I didn't 484 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: really care if it came true or not. I don't 485 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: even know what that would feel like. I don't even 486 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: know what a sex god is. Uh, it might be 487 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: one of those monkeys past situations where if it did 488 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: come true, I might not like it at all. Um, 489 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, okay, okay, are you are you judging 490 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: me there, No, No, I just want to I want 491 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm deciding whether or not I want to hear updates 492 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: about how it goes with with your intention and your yea, 493 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: that's I'll do that in my private time, like so 494 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: as yeah, so, as I had said earlier, it's it's 495 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: cool to watch this happen in real time, the process 496 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: of it being um created and the uh, the way 497 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: that the the question I have is like, how are 498 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: they figuring out the points? Because you see the words 499 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: disappear or you see the letters rather disappear into these 500 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: different points and these lines connect them. And it turns 501 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: out that if you go back to the website later 502 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: and you type the exact same thing, you're going to 503 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: end up with a different sigil. Yeah, it appears to 504 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: be a bit randomized, which is kind of neat, but 505 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: it's giving you your own version of the thing you 506 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: type in um ben I've I typed in discover the 507 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: truth about seven Roswell, New Mexico crash. I got a 508 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: really great sigel too, uh, squiggly lines with a circle. 509 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: It's awesome. And and you know, the one of the 510 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: last notes here is that some people we're having fun 511 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: with this, but some people, especially folks who take this 512 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: stuff very seriously, have been offended by the existence of 513 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: this website. They're saying, you're taking process that is a 514 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: real thing, right and important to me or important to 515 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: my organization, And are you gamifying it? Are you cheapening it? 516 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: Are you miseducating people? Um? Or is there a lot 517 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: of people who say my method is the one and 518 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: only true method and everything else that you're doing is 519 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: ridiculously wrong and potentially if people believe in this stuff, 520 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: potentially dangerous. Right. Yeah, it's like the idea of like 521 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: a really talented video editor being replaced by automation, or 522 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: someone with a very like spankable skill perhaps or a 523 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: very unique skill being somehow replaced by some sort of AI. UM. 524 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: This is even more egregious because it's like, you know, 525 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: I could see how people could think of this as sacrilege, 526 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: where you're taking this very um, sacred communication between UH 527 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: practitioner and the spirit, realm or or what have you, 528 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: um and and somehow kind of like you said, ben, 529 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: gamifying it or automating in some way, I could see 530 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: that being problematic for some folks. I love the h 531 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: I love the participatory aspect here. So I propose, fellow 532 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists that if you are interested, should the spirit 533 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: so move you? You hop on this website, UM, make 534 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: a couple of intentions, see what kind of sigils you 535 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: end up with, and uh, you know, wait, give it 536 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: some time, and by all means, let us know if 537 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: you notice something that you thought changed right, and if so, 538 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: what to the degree that you're comfortable telling us. As always, 539 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: what people usually say in these these kind of circles 540 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: is remember to do no harm because it can come 541 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: back on you again if you believe this stuff. But 542 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: I cannot wait. I cannot wait to hear what happens. 543 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: I want somebody's like it wouldn't it be nuts? If 544 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't it be nuts? If like a few weeks from 545 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: now after this comes out, we get an email from like, 546 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: I don't know President Joe Biden or Takashi six nine. 547 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm picking two very different people, and they say, like 548 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: the entirety of I became the president because I used 549 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: the sigil magic, or I um I got out of 550 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: jail because I used this sigil magic. It wasn't really 551 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: cod I don't know what you guys did, but I 552 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: got ethered the other day. That's what Biden would say. Yes, 553 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: that is a direct quote. Everybody, remember you you see 554 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: the weirdest stuff on c Span. Uh So, that's it. 555 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: It's this is really the beginning of what might be 556 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 1: a longer story. I would love to hear people's experiences 557 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: with this sort of stuff. Do you think there's any 558 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: sand to it? Yes? No, maybe, uh just let me know. 559 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: Uh So we'll pause for a word from our sponsor 560 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: and will return with one more piece of strange news 561 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: and we're back. I can't help it. I have to 562 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: talk about one last thing with the sigils. Guys, uh Ben, 563 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: you're talking about how some people have had problems with this. 564 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: I love how the creators of Sigil Engine having that 565 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: Q and A. This one statement. I'm just gonna read 566 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: it really quickly. It's for anyone who's having problems. It says, 567 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: uh number ten in the q A, I am an 568 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: arch made and I know everything about magic, particularly sigils, 569 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,959 Speaker 1: and everything you have done is wrong, and you guys 570 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: suck and I hate everything about this. This is real. Yeah, 571 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: And it just says the response to that question is 572 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: it'll be okay, and it links you to a ten 573 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: minute mindfulness meditation, which is really really cool. And I 574 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: wasn't making light of someone calling themselves an arch maid, 575 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: saying is it real? I just meant that level of 576 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: internet pedantic nous is almost like comical. It sounds like 577 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: a satire, like and I hate everything about this, and 578 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: I hate you and your dumb face, but I just 579 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: love that they have a sense, not only sense of 580 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: humor about it, but they're also kind, Like that's pretty kind. 581 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: That is kind. Okay, Um, the next story everyone, This 582 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: comes from a CBS article that I just stumbled upon, 583 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: and it was gosh, it was several days ago now, 584 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: I think it was on the fourth when I read it. No, yes, 585 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: it was on the fifth of March, so about three 586 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: days ago as we record this. The headline is a 587 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: swarm of over twenty thousand earthquakes has rocked Iceland in 588 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: the past ten days and it could spark a volcanic eruption. 589 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: So uh, catching headline, of course, they're twenty thousand earthquakes 590 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: sounds horrifying. I remember when we read gosh a while ago, 591 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: been specifically about the swarms of earthquakes that were happening 592 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: out in the National parks and parks and Yellowstone, and 593 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, the concept of a swarm of earthquakes feels horrifying. 594 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: It's an image that you don't want to imagine in 595 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: your mind. Um, and this is kind of the same 596 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 1: deal here. But what we learned in in that case 597 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 1: with Yellowstone, this is a swarm of smaller earthquakes, very 598 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: small movements that are being recorded. And then the thing 599 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: that could be creepy about them is that it tends 600 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: to signal that there's going to be a larger like 601 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: single event that occurs, or you know, grouping of events 602 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: where you're gonna have a large magnitude earthquake. Yeah, that's 603 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: that's correct. It's also I mean, I think you're describing 604 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: it in a in a perfect way because if when 605 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: you hear about large scale earthquakes, often those large like 606 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: hand of God natural disaster earthquakes, they are preceded and 607 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: followed by smaller things, some so small that you could 608 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: not tell that they were occurring unless you were a 609 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: seismologist or you happen to have the correct equipment to 610 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: measure it. So then you know, you would feel like 611 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: it came out of nowhere. But that's that's not always 612 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: the case. It is though, and I think I know 613 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: where you're going with this. Even if they seem harmless, 614 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: they can be indicative of some terrifying stuff. Oh yeah, absolutely. Well, 615 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: we know for sure that there was a two thousand 616 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: ten eruption in Iceland that reachs havoc in the area. 617 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people lost their homes in 618 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,720 Speaker 1: the local area. You know, was shut down air traffic 619 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: both in Iceland and then in several places across the 620 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: world because of the plume that was generated. And we 621 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: can talk about that a little bit later. Let's let's 622 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: stay in the realm of what could this mean, what's occurring? 623 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna jump back to that CBS articles where 624 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 1: I started. It says that there have been twenty thousand 625 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: earthquakes recorded since February. This is according to the Icelandic 626 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: Meteorological Office, and they're saying that it's likely magma movements 627 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: that are causing these tremors or these you know, these 628 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: small earthquakes to occur. And it is in a place 629 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: called the r E Y K J A N E 630 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: S Peninsula. Anybody want to take a stab at that, Sure, 631 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: rektions peninsula. Let's see, I'm gonna I'm gonna freestyle it 632 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: and then we'll see if I can find the actual pronunciation. 633 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: But Rick John's Rick John's okay, recka vic rights, That's 634 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: that's what first came to mind, right, so we'll we'll 635 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: go with that. Iceland, please right in let us know. Yeah, 636 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: it's I know some of you are listening in Iceland. 637 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: I'd see you out there. Really, QUI are far more 638 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: difficult to pronounce volcanoes in Iceland. This one is actually 639 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,720 Speaker 1: pretty merciful compared to some. So that is very true. 640 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: And I you know what for for this to talk 641 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: about this, I actually have one for you that I 642 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: can I think I can pronounce. I was excited to 643 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: see this man. The two thousand ten volcano is I 644 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: think pronounced a fietla your orkutsuts something like that. We're 645 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: back in the blade cream cream corn amazing. Um. You 646 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: can read some incredible articles that describe icelandic is being 647 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: created by someone that just was angry at everyone that 648 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: in the future would attempts to learn how to speak 649 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 1: it and write it and pronounce it. Okay, So go 650 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: to jump back here just to talk about what it means. Um, 651 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: there's a tweet that came out of the meteor meteor 652 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: Logical office out of Iceland. They're talking about a lot 653 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: of this stuff occurring, and they said that the aviation 654 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 1: color code for this peninsula is at orange level, meaning 655 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: there's a heightened unrest and there is an increased likelihood 656 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: of eruption. So again this you know, there's not only 657 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: a worry for this kind of thing for the local 658 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: area just you know, like we said, people would have 659 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 1: to evacuate and they'd have to get out in time 660 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: in order in order to not face death or you know, destruction. 661 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: There's also that worry the world across because this could 662 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: spell major problems not only for the aviation industry, for 663 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: air and soil and water pollution levels essentially, because you're 664 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: talking about a ton of particulate matter that gets into 665 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: the air when there's a large scale eruption or essentially 666 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: explosion of this kind. Yeah, and you can look back 667 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: at you can look back through history and you can 668 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: see a terrible correlation between eruptions in one part of 669 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: the world and inexplicably disastrous weather in what appears to 670 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: be completely unrelated parts of the world. This gets really 671 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: weird when we go far enough back, uh to to 672 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: a time when maybe an eruption on a continent that 673 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,880 Speaker 1: people were not aware existed affected they're cut like in 674 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds. Um, this is not quite the same case. 675 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: When the eighteen hundreds, one of the huge problems with 676 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: sub eruptions in Iceland was not just Iceland, it affected 677 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: Scotland because of the reach of the disaster. So we 678 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: see again anytime you're talking about whether or earth systems, 679 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: this is all interconnected. One of the biggest I love 680 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: they brought up Yellowstone map because one of the most 681 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: out there disturbing concerns about a Yellowstone explosive event was 682 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: not just that it could wreak havoc on the area 683 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: of Yellowstone in a pretty wide swab actually, but that 684 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: it could somehow set off a domino, a domino effect 685 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: of several other similarly related events. So you wouldn't you 686 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 1: would accidentally buy a combo meal of natural disaster when 687 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,399 Speaker 1: you just came in for a drink. Uh. That's that's 688 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: exactly what what could happen. I'm not suggesting that people 689 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 1: are ordering these things to happen. It's just they're incredibly 690 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: difficult to predict, right, Yeah, so sorry, you got a 691 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: double whopper and some chicken fryers with that order just 692 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: came with it. Um no, you're still right then. I 693 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: want to talk about the official word coming out from 694 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: like the Prime Minister of Iceland right now, saying that 695 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: the country is well prepared. We're not expecting this to 696 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: be a high risk thing. It's probably a low flow 697 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: type of eruption that is being signals signaled by the swarm. 698 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: They're saying that it's going to occur in an area 699 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: where there's not critical infrastructure that's going to be at risk. 700 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: It's at least it's nice to hear that, right, But 701 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: you can imagine if you're living in the immediate area 702 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: having this occur, knowing this is happening beneath your feet, 703 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: it would be pretty disturbing. Yeah. And and there's there's 704 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: still so much science to be worked on in this regard. 705 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: A lot of the science right now is is focused 706 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: towards being able to predict things. I believe that that 707 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: most people aren't going to say we're at the point 708 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: where we can prevent things. We're just at the point 709 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 1: where to your earlier statement, Matt, we can hopefully get 710 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: word to people in enough time for them to escape 711 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: the danger zone. Um. Almost all volcanoes are independent of 712 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,359 Speaker 1: each other. But when you see the belief that an 713 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: eruption one volcano can trigger other volcanoes, that can kind 714 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: of be the case. But sometimes they're part of a 715 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: larger volcano complex that you just don't notice. When you 716 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 1: know you're a person running from their lives from one 717 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 1: exploding mountain and then you see the mountain you're running 718 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: tour also explode. Yeah, no, thank you. I want to 719 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: read a few more things and then just give people 720 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,360 Speaker 1: places to check out if they want to follow this story. 721 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,800 Speaker 1: The first is from Government dot i S, which is 722 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: the official government of Iceland, and they are saying again 723 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 1: a relatively small eruption of the type classified as a 724 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: fissure eruption sometimes referred to as the Icelandic type is expected. 725 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 1: Just putting it out there to keep that there. Scientists 726 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: anticipate in eruption could last for a few days up 727 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: to a few weeks. Due to the likely location of 728 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: the emergence of lava populated places in critical infrastructure all 729 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,720 Speaker 1: this stuff. Are not expect it to be in dangerous 730 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: exactly what I said before. I just want to say 731 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: that's coming directly from the government. And if you want 732 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,760 Speaker 1: to continue following updates from at least the official updates 733 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 1: from the government of Iceland, you can head on over 734 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 1: to government dot I S. That's the place to do it. 735 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: You can click on news and there will generally be 736 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: updates there that you can see. If you're on Twitter, 737 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: you can follow the Icelandic Meteorological Office or the I 738 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: m O. It is at v E D U R 739 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: S T O F A N the durs stuffen that is. 740 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: That is the place you can check that out. They 741 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:46,839 Speaker 1: tweet in in both Icelandic and in English, so if 742 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: you can understand one of those, you're in a good place. 743 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: And the last thing is the Icelandic m E T 744 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: Office the met Office, and this is e N dot 745 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: V E D you are dot I S and there 746 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: you can actually find maps of where the where the 747 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: swarms are occurring, where the earthquakes are actually located. And 748 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: especially if you're in Iceland and you want to keep 749 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,320 Speaker 1: track of that stuff, that's the place to go. I 750 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: also have an Iceland question for anybody who is ah 751 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: as a native of Iceland and currently lives there. This 752 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with volcanoes. I hope. I'm just 753 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: simply curious. Is it true that there is a an app, 754 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: maybe a dating app in Iceland that lets you know 755 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: if the person you might go on a date with 756 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: is related to you. Have you guys heard of this, 757 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: I've heard of the problem it is because I'm sorry, 758 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: is it because of population size or like because of 759 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: like literally the gene pool of isolation over time and population. 760 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: But of course you know that's just my curiosity. I 761 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: I am. I am interesting because when I've has heard it, 762 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,720 Speaker 1: it sounded like a onion story, or maybe not the onion. 763 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 1: Let us know, stay safe from the earthquakes and the volcanoes. 764 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: It also makes me think of ask a Swede, like 765 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: that seemed like an onion article too. I loved it. 766 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 1: I loved Ask a Swede. I'm so sad that it's gone. 767 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: It was one of the only times in my life 768 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 1: I've liked being on the phone. That's I I I 769 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: last I did not get to experience this majesty. I 770 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 1: think this also. I think this also takes us to 771 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: another question, which is our natural disasters of this sort 772 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,320 Speaker 1: on the rise. I did a little digging into some 773 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: work from seismologists and vulcanologists, and it seems like, according 774 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,880 Speaker 1: to them, we're about with it. We're within the thresholds 775 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,800 Speaker 1: of normality or the usual amount of eruptions for I 776 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,320 Speaker 1: don't know about one, however, Yeah, I don't know. And also, 777 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about solar minimums and maximums and 778 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: what effect that may or may not have on seismic activity, 779 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: and just you know, all the other factors that go 780 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 1: into what occurs beneath our feet on this planet. What 781 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,720 Speaker 1: I'd love talking about that stuff, and I love learning 782 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: about it, and I'd be interested if you were listening, 783 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: have any questions that you want us to ask that 784 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,320 Speaker 1: we can attempt to answer, absolutely, And if you have 785 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,760 Speaker 1: some insider info on what's going on with those COVID 786 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 1: checks in China, if you have the scoop on sigils, 787 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 1: if you can answer some of the questions that we 788 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: just posed about Iceland and natural disaster, we would absolutely 789 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Also, if you have something 790 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,880 Speaker 1: completely unrelated, especially a suggestion for an upcoming episode, do 791 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: you think your fellow listeners would enjoy By all means, 792 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: don't hesitate, let us know about it. We're pretty easy 793 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: to find online, unlike the pronunciation of that one place 794 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: in Iceland. That's right. You can find us on the 795 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,279 Speaker 1: usual location in your social media feeds. 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