WEBVTT - Training Camp Preview: Offense 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:05.600 Welcome into lounge. 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.560 I'm Ryan Mink here with Garrett Downing, and we are 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.320 going to take a deep dive into the Ravens offense 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.560 today as we prepare for training camp, which is right 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:15.200 around the corner. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:15.680 Garrett. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.800 Quarterbacks and injured vets report later this week and then 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.960 early next week on Tuesday. The veterans report. First practice 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.680 is Wednesday with the full team, so it is right 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.520 around the corner, and we are going to get you 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:33.040 ready by looking at the Ravens offensive depth chart. Before 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.800 we get into that, there are some breaking news over 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:40.560 the weekend. Late Friday afternoon, the Ravens signed center Ethan 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.159 Posing to a one year deal that really kind of 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.879 answers the biggest question that a lot of us had 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.479 going into training camp, which was who is going to 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:51.800 be the starting center. Now he's got to come in 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.600 here and win the job, but I think it's safe 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.400 to say that he's the leader in the clubhouse after 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.360 this deal, which is reportedly a one year, three million 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:04.480 dollar deal with another one point five potentially in incentives. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.800 According to Jeff Threeback of the Athletic. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.800 Yeah, this was a move that I think a lot 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.360 of people felt like during the off season, are you 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.520 going to add a center, Like we talked with Eric's 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.240 Koss after the draft about in starting experience center, right, So, 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.160 if you go back, like Linderbom leaves in free agency, 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.840 he's the biggest free agent question the Ravens have. He 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:25.520 leaves in free age, he gets a monster deal from 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.280 the Raiders, and then you go into the draft and 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.480 you're wondering, are the Ravens going to find their title 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.120 and Linderbomb replacement in the draft. They had some options 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.360 to do it, but the centers that they were interested 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.640 in went earlier than expected in this draft, and so 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.720 they're gone. They're off the board and they don't draft 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.840 to center. And so but they they add some pieces. 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.360 They've they've brought in Danny Pitcher, they bought in Javon Quinn, 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.640 who we're going to talk about here in this conversation. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.960 But neither of them have been a long time starting center. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.880 So you feel like you have competition, but you don't 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:02.280 have that clear veteran starting, experienced guy in the building. 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:03.360 Right now, you do. 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.480 Ethan Posik has been a multi year starter throughout his career, 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:12.040 and adding him at this stage, right before training camp 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.560 gives the Ravens, somebody who you feel comfortable could could 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:17.840 take that job and do it at a high level. Now, 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.760 the question on him is he's coming off an injury 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.519 towards achilles late last year, and that was one of 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.120 the things you're wondering about, When is he going to 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:30.800 get cleared, how is the progress in that rehab. It 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.000 came out basically a week before the Ravens signed him 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.280 that he was medically cleared, and I'm sure that this 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.120 signing and the timing of it probably closely aligns with 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.160 getting that medical clearance to go out there and play. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.320 It seems like the Ravens have had this or this 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.880 is a possibility for a while. They reportedly brought in 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.200 Ethan for a visit in May, shortly after they came 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:54.000 out of the draft without a center, and at that 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.799 point he's still in the middle of his rehab and 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:02.080 now is seemingly kind of the last checkbox, which was 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.119 the medical aspect of it. Like you mentioned the Achilles 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:10.280 having an early December, and so once that, once he 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.760 was healthy enough to play and start here in training camp, 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.920 presumably take the field here in training camp, then that 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.040 was kind of the final piece of the puzzle to 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:20.400 add him to this roster. 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.680 And you know, this is a nine year veteran. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.239 He started ninety seven games across his career, So a 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.600 guy who's done it for a long time and done 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.080 it at a high level. I mean, you look at 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.640 the Pro Football Focus grades in twenty twenty two with 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.400 the Browns, I think that was his first year with 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.680 the Cleveland Browns, he had the third best PFF grade 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.160 among all centers in the league, number three. He was 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.440 number twelve and twenty twenty three, sixteen and twenty twenty four. 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:48.080 Last year. 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.200 You know, the injury certainly played a part. He was 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.760 number twenty in the league. But this is a very 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:57.480 solid center and you know, the achilles is kind of 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.360 the question mark here. But it's like he's playing wide receiver. 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:02.560 Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.240 Like at the center position, I want a guy who 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:09.280 communicates well, can get you know, the protection set up 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:14.360 is just knows what he's doing first and foremost, and 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.719 you're not necessarily asking your center to do as much 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.800 athletically speaking, and a lot of guys just make successful 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:27.080 recoveries from achilles these days. It's certainly not like it's 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.000 just not this injury that is a death needal for 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:31.120 a player, you know what I mean? 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.360 Yeah, And I think what I what you want to 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:37.039 see from him, I think, in particular is kind of 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.240 the strength. I think when we've seen guys come back 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.960 from Achilles, you worry about, Okay, how quickly can you 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:43.719 kind of move like yourself? 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.359 Again, I agree that's not really the. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.160 Concern from a center standpoint, but you see guys come back, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.000 and I always remember Steve Smith talked about this when 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.040 he was coming back from Achilles. He would joke about 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.240 how he had his little leg and you had like 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:57.800 the one that was good and the one that that 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.479 needed some work. And so how do you feel like 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.520 you're going to be stout inside going up against Dexter 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.360 Lawrence and so how do you handle that? And that's 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:06.839 I think one of the things that he's, of course, 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.400 has he gets back into the swing of things, is 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.680 going to have to answer and just feel really good 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.120 from a strength standpoint to be stout there in the 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.719 middle of the offensive line. But they're like, I think 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.120 he's probably the leader right now to win that starting job, 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.360 given the contract and given the experience and all of that. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.360 But I think that the guys who are already here. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.720 I actually felt pretty good about the center position even 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.640 before the Ravens added Postick this weekend. I just felt 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.280 like there was confidence around some of the guys who 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.039 are here. Now you add a veteran starter to the 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.120 mix there, I think that only elevates the group as 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:42.960 a whole. But I think that the Ravens also have 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.800 competition there and those guys are going to push post 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.359 Sick that. I don't think that Danny Pinter or Javon 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.479 Gwynn is looking at this as like, Okay, that's it 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:51.960 for me. I think they're going to say I want 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.599 to go out there and win that starting job, which 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.880 they'll still have an opportunity to go compete for that 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:56.800 spot in training camp. 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.479 To mention depth, I think the other part that you 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.600 really like a Postik is that he's been in the 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.160 AFC North right, so he knows what it's like playing 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.240 football in this division. He's gone up against a bunch 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.359 of these guys, not Dexter Lawrence so much as you mentioned, 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:10.960 but you. 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.320 Know he's gone up against Cam Hayward. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:13.560 He's played in this division. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.440 He knows what it takes and so you know the 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.440 other challenge for him beyond just the physical aspect of 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.200 it is now he's got to get on the same 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.200 page with his teammates and he's getting kind of a 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.800 later start in training camp. He has had OTAs in 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.280 mini camp and the offseason conditioning program and all that. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.160 Now that's like, I'm honestly not worried about that piece. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.520 Yeah, he's he's a veteran. I think that he can 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.000 certainly do that. But that'll be part of his job. 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:40.840 Is he's got to learn this offense and all the 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.160 schemes and protections, you know, So that'll that'll be part 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.040 of his assignment and something to watch during training campus 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:48.880 he gets up to speed. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:50.760 Yeah, So as we're talking about the offensive line, this 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.920 is all in the context of the overall offensive depth 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:54.440 trit that we're breaking down here, and we're going to 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:56.560 have the defensive depth trit that we look at later 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.120 in the week. But just to round out the offensive 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.000 line conversation when you're looking at O line, so you 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.720 have Postik there, then you go then the rest of 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.279 the competition. There you have Dandy Pincer who I mentioned, 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.000 and Jravon Gwinn. Both have been in the league with 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.400 other teams. Have come here this offseason. Those are your 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.920 top two. Then you also have Corey Bullock who's in 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.840 that mix as well. Missed some time during the offseason practices, 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.880 but he's in the conversation there. Made his impressed enough 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.280 last year to earn a spot on a fifty three 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.800 man roster, and so the undrafted product out of Maryland 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.200 is also in the mix there at center. And then 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:29.760 as you round out the rest of the rest of 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.280 the line is set, the starters, the starting five, the 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.400 starting four is set, and then there's a competition we 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:35.360 just talked about at center. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.120 I think you have a projected starting five. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:38.720 I think you have a projected starting five, but I 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.160 think they projected certifive. It's Ronnie Stanley at left tackle, 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.560 It's Sean Simpson at left guard. Let's put Postik in 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.360 there at center. Right guard is going to be the 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.040 rookie first round pick Venka Yawana. Right tackle is going 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.800 to be Roger Rosegarden. That's most likely you're starting five. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.040 And I still think that center needs to be determined 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.040 in camp, but I think that as we're doing it 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.120 right now going into camp, that would be the depth 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:00.480 throat that I put up on the whiteboard. 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.280 Ye, then you have beyond that. 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.160 Right, beyond that, I think the Ravens have a lot 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.240 more offensive line depth this year going into training camp 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.040 than they have in previous seasons. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.560 You have Emery Jones and Carson Vincent. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.840 Really is your top backup offensive tackles, Emory Jones being 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.760 more the right tackle, Vincent the left tackle. Emory Jones 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.160 could also slide in and be a backup guard, you know, 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.520 That's what kind of they were grooming him to be 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:29.720 before they signed Simpson and drafted Venga Yuana. So Emory 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.520 is a valuable kind of back up there. 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:32.720 And then that. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.120 Probably leaves two to three spots I would say, beyond 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:42.400 them for Andrew Voorhees, another reserve guard Pinder Gwynn Bullock, 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.520 and then seventh round pick Evan Bernson. You know, and 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.840 then you have some mon drafted free agents who are 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:52.880 intriguing guys Diego Pounds being among them, and so and 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:57.360 some other players. So it's it's pretty competitive for those 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.800 reserve spots. I would guess that they probably at least 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:06.120 keep five. That's seven with Jones and Vincent. If you 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.480 keep two more, that's nine. You keep nine to ten generally, 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.400 So I would think Vorheves would have it a spot 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.360 and probably one of those backup centers Pincer between Pincer 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.000 and Gwynn, and then beyond that, it's gonna be tough. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.960 Yeah, I think Vorheas has a spot. Look, he was 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:22.839 he was a. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.040 Starter throughout last season and the starting job of the 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.600 year before That's began twenty twenty four season as the starter. 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.600 So having a starter that can step in in a 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.880 depth role and has that experience, I think is really valuable. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.040 It's rare that for any team to have all five 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:38.920 starting lineman play every game. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:40.720 It doesn't happen very often. 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.040 So depth is important at that spot, and Vorhees gives 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.520 you some really good experience there, and I would think 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.440 that he's going to be on that I. 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.920 Would agree, Yeah, I would say you can probably count 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.679 on Emery Jones, Vincent and Voorhe's. Vincent's got to win 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.880 it too. I mean he he took over as the 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.120 backup last year from Joe Noteboom. They had signed a 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.440 veteran to be kind of the swing tackle, which is 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:08.320 an important position, and Carson Vincent started to be a 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.720 game day in active over Noteboom. Midway to late in 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.559 the year. But Vincent has to win that job again. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.160 As I said, Diego Pounds is an intriguing undrafted free agent. 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.520 Vincent who was kind of a development drafted to be 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.280 a developmental guy. He's got to show that he's developing 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.360 and so he has to win that spot. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:28.280 Yeah, so I. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.160 Think we got the biggest remaining kind of roster question 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:36.079 answered to a good degree, not fully, but I think 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.319 a big step towards that with this signing. But look, 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.760 whenever you're talking about the Ravens conversation starts a quarterback, 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:44.760 and these guys are all going to be looking to 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.040 protect number eight, Lamar Jackson. So let's continue here looking 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.599 at the quarterback position, and of course obviously you have 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.240 Lamar Jackson, who's going to be your starter. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:52.560 There. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.199 There's been Lamar Jackson's been in the news a little 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:59.120 bit recently. Over the past few days. The NFL Top 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.880 one hundreds are being rolled out and Lamar Jackson Lane 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.800 did at number sixty nine on the list, which was 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:10.280 the drop of sixty seven spots from number two last year. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:15.199 That caught a lot of attention on social media and otherwise. 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.320 And Cigarett kind of What are your thoughts on that? 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.360 What was your initial reaction when you saw Well. 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.160 My take on that is probably on surprising to ravens Fans. 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.040 I did a final drive on this last week talking 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:26.719 about just how shocking it was for him to be 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.600 at number sixty nine. He was number two each of 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.480 the last two seasons. He's been number one in his career. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.920 And one of the things that has always stood out 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.360 to me about Lamar is the perception that he has 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:42.920 amongst other players in the league, which is incredibly high. 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.719 Players rave about his ability and how difficult he is 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.640 to go up against and how amazing he is. I've 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.800 always felt like opposing players are actually even higher on 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.280 Lamar than like the general public. I've always kind of 0:11:56.280 --> 0:12:01.840 had that sense. And so shocking about it is that 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.040 the NFL Top one hundred list is voted on by players. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.000 Now you know, like what happens like once everyone turns 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.840 in their ballots, and like, what's the methodology after it 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:11.960 all comes into one place. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:12.840 I don't know exactly what. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.120 Also, just say that we've seen this process go down, 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:20.040 and it goes down in locker rooms during the previous season. 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:21.520 It's not like it's at the end of the year. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.920 This voting just happened a month ago, heading into the 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.840 season or whatever. This is like during the previous season. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.440 And it's not like players rank guys one to one hundred. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.480 They don't list one hundred players. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, every guy turns into a list of 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:36.160 ten or twenty guys. 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:36.760 Twenty guys. 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.240 Yeah, And so how he ranks at number sixty nine, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.320 I'm not even sure. We can also say that, you know, 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.440 in the in the midst of a season in which 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.600 Lamar Jackson is battling injuries, for all we know, players 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.240 are turned in votes to all Lamar Jackson was missing games. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.040 Yeah, they mean he just may not have been top 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.960 of mine because he was out first of them, right, right. 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.760 And on top of that, we also know how injury 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.199 ham Lamar was last year of the course of the 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.640 last season, which really I think dramatically impacted his production, 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:08.880 as well as the offense was in a funk in 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.080 a hole, as well as he wasn't protected nearly as 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.840 well as he should have been last year, all those things, right, 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.840 and so I think that's why he ended up ranking 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.920 so low. I don't think that to your point. I 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.480 agree that generally speaking, like the players who play against 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.400 him know how special Lamar Jackson is. I don't think 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.480 that Lamar is really like generally speaking, slipped. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:31.680 In their mind. 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.680 Now he ran less last year, he rans significantly less, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.199 And I think that that's like players when they opponents 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.439 when they talk about him, it's always like a lot 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.800 of times at least, it's like, man, he will run 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:46.000 right past you. You have to respect the runner and 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.640 as well as the passer. But like when he's running less, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.960 I think that that makes him less top of mind 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.000 in opponents heads. 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.120 Also, yeah, I mean I think the injuries are the 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.880 question of why did he follow her number sixty nine? 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.120 Of course the injuries last year, that's the why. But regardless, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.600 like there's players above him on this list. The full 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.920 list isn't out yet, but there's players throughout this list 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.280 who have injury issues, right, and like he's not the 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.240 only player that missed time on the top one hundred 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.679 lists who dealt with injuries last year. Correct, So like, 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.680 even yes, that is the why he fell, but it's 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.960 still no explanation for why it was to that spot. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.800 Like if you want to fall from two to twenty, okay, 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.200 but two to sixty Now, that's what's shocking to me 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.960 is that it was so far and it makes no sense, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.320 like when you there's no I don't think anybody would 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.680 agree with the sense with the statement that there's sixty 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.440 eight players in the league better than Lamar ja No. 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:42.520 Way, absolutely not. 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.600 Here's what the fact of the matter is is that 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.520 there's I think a number of people out there that 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.640 are waiting for Lamar Jackson to slip. And when Lamar 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:56.080 Jackson slips, he gets graded more harshly than most other players, 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.760 quarterbacks especially, And so when Lamar has a down year, 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.160 oh my god, the sky is falling. Oh my gosh, 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:09.080 I mean Colin Coward, right, prominent TV show, TV host, 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.360 personality of The Herd, the host of The Herd, I mean, 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.960 said he's selling Lamar Jackson stock. I didn't think there's 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.640 anybody worse at playing the stock market. The met Apparently, 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:21.800 Colin Coward is you know, I mean, this would be 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.520 exactly when you want to buy Lamar Jackson stock. It's low, 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:28.080 it's low. Everybody's taken their shots after last year. Apparently 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.200 he's sixty nine on the top one hundred list. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.600 I'm buying. By buying, I'm buying every share I can. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.960 Yeah, right, and so like I just feel like people 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.680 wait for the have been waiting for the other shoe 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.760 to drop for Lamar, like he's They've had these critiques 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.000 and questions about Lamar before he was drafted, right, and 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:47.240 then he proved all that wrong. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.720 He won two MVPs. I mean he should have won 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:50.120 a third. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.200 Is twenty twenty four season was one of the best 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:56.040 quarterback seasons of all time in NFL history. And then 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:57.880 he has an injury hampered year and falls down and 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.280 people all see, yeah, Lamar slippin. You know, now we 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.360 can't even run, you know, like all this stuffy and 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.880 he gets dinged more than other quarterbacks who also have injuries, 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.680 who also have down years, who also whatever, don't run 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.400 it as off and whatever it may be, right, throw 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.560 more interceptions in a year, all those things. It's just 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.480 Lamar Jackson has graded more harshly than other quarterbacks. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:22.440 That's just a fact. 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:22.880 Yeah. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:27.120 I think It's what's interesting too, is we look at 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.200 play it forward to this year. The betting markers have 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:31.920 him as one of the top candidates to win the 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:36.320 MVP this year. Right, most of them have really most 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.720 of them have him. Second, I think in most of 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.440 the places, Josh Allen's the favorite to win the MVP 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.840 going into the season, but Lamar is right behind him. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.200 But my point is, like, so the betting markets are 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.320 saying this guy is going to be one of the 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.440 top MVP candidates this year, and then you have this 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.960 criticism that is existing in top one hundred and some 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.520 of the other pundits that are talking about whatever I'm 0:16:58.560 --> 0:16:59.920 selling soccer a lot of time. 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.800 One was the ESPN poll that they do or survey 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:08.199 that they do with NFL executives, GM scouts, all that 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.720 kind of stuff, and Lamar landed at number five among 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:16.560 quarterbacks US behind Joe Burrow, you know, Josh Allen, Mahomes 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:18.359 and who am I it was? 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.960 It was Stafford Burrough at Homes. 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.520 Right, yeah and Josh Allen. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:23.760 Yeah. 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.639 So you know, I think he should be higher on 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.919 that list two personally, but I don't think that's like preposterous. 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.680 Is that that's less egregious than the top one exactly? 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.080 That's the top five quarterbacks in the NFL. You're in 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:38.600 the top five at your position in the NFL, you're 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.720 pretty darn good, yeah, right, And so like, okay, but 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:43.680 number sixty nine. 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:45.919 Yeah, No, there's no way. There's no way. 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.640 And like, I don't think that it's the crazy part 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.159 of the NFL executives is that somebody had him outside 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:51.680 the top ten. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.560 Yeah, like what are you? Yah? Yeah, there's no way 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:55.240 I would agree with that. 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:56.040 What do you do it? 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:56.320 Right? 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.840 I Also I don't think Lamar cares Like I don't 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:05.000 think this is he's writing this on his r looking 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.480 at it as motivation as he's getting ready for the season. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.440 I don't think that's the case. Does it? Does it 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:15.640 add a little bit extra? Maybe? Maybe I don't really 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.160 think it's that big of a deal to Omar. 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:21.160 He's always been a guy that's been fueled by the detractors. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.399 This adds to it. I kind of like it for 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.399 that reason. I kind of like it because, like I 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.160 I kind of I do think that over Lamar's life, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:32.960 he has been a guy that's been like all. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.600 Right, all right, I'll show you yeah, Like yeah, I 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.400 mean we all remember they're not bad for a running 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.320 back quote, right, And that spoke to that, And so 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.080 I think that maybe that maybe there's a little bit added, 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.440 maybe we get you know, the quote after a game 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.160