Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, twenty six
Speaker 1: episode for guys. It's a production of iHeart Radio and
Speaker 1: it's a podcast where we take a deep dive into
Speaker 1: america shared consciousness. And it's Thursday, February twenty second, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four.
Speaker 2: To to to two four to to wait too, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Guess what shout out everybody working in the supermarket Supermarket
Speaker 2: employee Day. It's shout out also National Chili Day. Ch
Speaker 2: I l i okay for all you chili lovers out there.
Speaker 2: Myself included nationals cook a.
Speaker 1: Sweet more of a key bos guy.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, Wow wow wow wow.
Speaker 2: Well your left eye open, Jack, because you're gonna miss
Speaker 2: National Margarita Day. And everyone likes to Spicy margaritas are
Speaker 2: everywhere now and I kind of hate it now. Every
Speaker 2: everything's like we have spice, Like people have shit written
Speaker 2: on windows. I'm like, we have spicy margarita's. Okay anyway,
Speaker 2: National Spice shot out Market Day, shout out to all
Speaker 2: my golden staters. Were the poppies or what Yeah, what's
Speaker 2: starting at wildflower? Yeah? The golden poppies bloom, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? And it's national California day.
Speaker 1: Okay, and you're flying back today.
Speaker 2: You're going back. Yeah, we're out of Sunshine State to
Speaker 2: the Golden State. We're gonna rip through this one.
Speaker 1: Just real half ass or as we call it in
Speaker 1: the industry, because Miles is a plane to catch.
Speaker 2: My name is Chuck.
Speaker 1: O'Brien aka oo wee. I've got resting butler face. Now,
Speaker 1: Oh can I take your luggage?
Speaker 3: Sir?
Speaker 1: Just don't ask me to iron over anything.
Speaker 2: I'm not good at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suck shit at that. The courtesy of the
Speaker 1: b Squad in reference to my time as a butler.
Speaker 1: You know, my first job, or one of my first
Speaker 1: jobs out of school, butler, It was just just a
Speaker 1: concierge at a fancy British hotel, and I knew how
Speaker 1: to iron my clothes. I did not know how to
Speaker 1: iron a gown.
Speaker 4: Which I was asked to do very early, and a
Speaker 4: very patient, push British woman showed me, was like, here,
Speaker 4: let me show you how to do this, and there.
Speaker 2: Now you know how to use an iron. And I've
Speaker 2: married that woman. That's right, she's now my wife.
Speaker 1: Unimpressed, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 1: co host mister Miles Gras.
Speaker 2: Yes, I may be in the three h five, but
Speaker 2: it's still a one to eight every day. Myles Gray
Speaker 2: aka you meet her for lunch just to hit a ullo.
Speaker 2: She's faking a smile, orders her lunch to go. You
Speaker 2: tell her your fine, take in your time. She nods in,
Speaker 2: gets up, and then be lines to the door with
Speaker 2: her BURIEDO break a bat a boat le you're taking
Speaker 2: a nel mouthful up, thinking, man, what the hell? All right?
Speaker 2: Shout out to Doc Doc Lobster for that. Doctor Wops
Speaker 2: aka this.
Speaker 1: Is our guest today is one of my favorite to
Speaker 1: sing in front of because he just like puts his
Speaker 1: face in his hands and just fully appreciates how dumb
Speaker 1: this show is yeah, and gives it to us with the.
Speaker 5: Fever dream that I wander into every time I'm.
Speaker 2: On Yeah, yeah, Look, you know what I was broken
Speaker 2: up with at a Chipotle and an oyster? And I
Speaker 2: mean I have another breakup story out of a food
Speaker 2: based breakup store I have still having told, so I'll
Speaker 2: keep that one on deck for another time.
Speaker 1: It's amazing that you didn't develop like an eating disorder
Speaker 1: of some short of some sort if anything.
Speaker 2: I just learned as fast as possible because I have
Speaker 2: no idea when the meal could be ruined. But I
Speaker 2: being broken up with, yeah.
Speaker 1: You do eat pretty fast for a only child. Usually
Speaker 1: people who eat fast are doing it to try and
Speaker 1: get the food before their siblings.
Speaker 2: I did spend a very good amount of my time
Speaker 2: in my childhood up the street from my house in
Speaker 2: a Catholic house that had like like a bunch of
Speaker 2: kids shout out the Shrek family, and I would just like,
Speaker 2: you know, I knew. I learned how to go ham
Speaker 2: in a very quick amount of time. Like I was
Speaker 2: eating like a firefighter, basically, just.
Speaker 1: Like what the Shrek family was it like Fiona and Shrek.
Speaker 2: And they're also no no different spelling, different spelling, okay
Speaker 2: they were anyway, like damn we the Shreks when that
Speaker 2: when the movie came out, and I was like, respect.
Speaker 1: Respect, We're thrilled Miles to be joined in our third
Speaker 1: seat by a podcast or extraordinari who is too good
Speaker 1: to be on this show?
Speaker 2: Come on? What is he doing here? You know him?
Speaker 1: From this Day and esotery, political history from Radio Topia,
Speaker 1: A Good Sport from Ted and Pushkin thirty for thirty
Speaker 1: for ESPN the five thirty eight politics podcast, where I
Speaker 1: first caught wind of him, the lead producer on the Puzzler.
Speaker 2: It's Jody Ever.
Speaker 5: Good right, I appreciate this, and I'm sorry you have
Speaker 5: a plane to catch. I appreciate that we're here on
Speaker 5: what is it National Phone? It in on your podcast
Speaker 5: days fight.
Speaker 2: That's right, No, no it's not, it's not. I have
Speaker 2: I have plenty of time. Ye were just we're just while.
Speaker 5: We're each singing, I just want to say each singing
Speaker 5: a like five verse ridiculous song. I had some time
Speaker 5: here to google National California Day, which is a deeply
Speaker 5: weird thing that you would have a national single day
Speaker 5: to celebrate a state. But and I can't really figure
Speaker 5: out why it's February twenty second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rubbing it in for to other people that it's
Speaker 1: like sunny warm here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker 1: Your your day probably sucks compared to ours on this
Speaker 1: Nationville California Day.
Speaker 2: You know what's wold. It's just it was only done
Speaker 2: because of this calendar website said it was. Yes, there's
Speaker 2: they're just like it just said literally. Founded in nineteen
Speaker 2: or in twenty seventeen by National day calendar to cethbrate
Speaker 2: California is the thirty first. It's a thirty one proud
Speaker 2: date history. Wow, I can't even.
Speaker 5: Spell thirty first as a dog situation where they's, well,
Speaker 5: we have a calendar and we have to put something
Speaker 5: on every day. Yeah, there's fifty states, so that's a
Speaker 5: good number of days right there.
Speaker 2: So it says that it's it is to celebrate California
Speaker 2: as the thirty oneth state. It's three one thirty one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thirty one leapiers in leap yeers, it's the thirty oneth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Oh man, we are in
Speaker 2: a leap year.
Speaker 1: How's everybody celebrating you guys doing anything wild for leap year?
Speaker 5: You didn't get my invite for my big Leapier white party. No,
Speaker 5: it's in the Hamptons. It's just a real bash. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's amazing my home.
Speaker 2: He's turning ten, which is kind of cool. Is that real? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Worse fortieth birthday? He's turning ten, but we're calling it
Speaker 2: his tenth birthday.
Speaker 5: Does he have like a ten year old's birthday?
Speaker 2: No, he's just because it's a leap years to come
Speaker 2: around every four every four years, They're like, bro, your
Speaker 2: your birthday doesn't exist this year, so.
Speaker 5: You should have to celebrate that that as that age, we.
Speaker 2: Go, Yeah, we'll go to Chuck E Cheese and we'll
Speaker 2: all get in fist fights with the other stressed out parents.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll get your first boner.
Speaker 1: In the ballpit, as one does. They got rid of
Speaker 1: the ballpit. Too many bombers to it's all just a
Speaker 1: video game arcade these days. Yeah, yeah, Jody, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to know you a little bit better in a moment.
Speaker 2: Teller listeners.
Speaker 1: A couple of things we're talking about. We got the
Speaker 1: first little taste of Trump's new reality show wherein he's
Speaker 1: going to be picking a vice president with it's I
Speaker 1: don't know that how much it's his idea and how
Speaker 1: much is the mainstream media's idea. But I do feel
Speaker 1: like the mainstream media needs this. They're like the primary
Speaker 1: is really under delivered for us, and if you look
Speaker 1: at the video, but like this is mainly Fox News
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, I'm going to give you a list
Speaker 1: of six names, and you tell like it's like a
Speaker 1: first or something. You know, you tell me if they're
Speaker 1: on your list. Anyways, we'll talk about that. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about frozen embryos being deemed literal children according to the
Speaker 1: Alabama Supreme Court. We will talk about measles making a comeback.
Speaker 2: We love it, don't we, folks.
Speaker 1: All of that plenty more. But first, Jody, we do
Speaker 1: like to ask our guests, what is something from your
Speaker 1: search history?
Speaker 5: This last week has been one of the more busy
Speaker 5: weeks of my professional life in a good way. But
Speaker 5: I've been like, really just hold up and kind of
Speaker 5: with blinders on, so I haven't searched much with the
Speaker 5: one thing I did spend a long time searching was
Speaker 5: and it's My search history is mostly this is New
Speaker 5: Balance five to seven four US, which are you know,
Speaker 5: one of my go to shoe and I've worn that
Speaker 5: shoe basically for the last ten years or so. But
Speaker 5: there's this very frustrating dynamic, which is I buy a pair,
Speaker 5: I really like them, and then they run out, you know,
Speaker 5: they wear out, and I go and look for that
Speaker 5: pair again and they don't make the color any more.
Speaker 5: And I have this thought of, like, I should just
Speaker 5: buy three when I find a color I like and
Speaker 5: just stock up. I've never really been that way, both
Speaker 5: in terms of sneaker collecting or foresight. And so this
Speaker 5: week was my one kind of like non working on
Speaker 5: podcasts excursion was to try and stock up on colors
Speaker 5: that I liked in the five seven fours that's spent
Speaker 5: way too long. Well, they're not making a color that
Speaker 5: I love right now?
Speaker 2: What was that one? Just so further sneaker head out there,
Speaker 2: so I can envision.
Speaker 5: Oh, the one that I the last one I really well,
Speaker 5: there was one, the one that like really led to
Speaker 5: this moment regret. There was one I don't remember the
Speaker 5: exact name of the color way, but it was like
Speaker 5: it had like a light blue, it had like a
Speaker 5: sky blue and a little bit of yellow on it,
Speaker 5: and it was just really really nice. And it's the
Speaker 5: one that I wish I had bought five of and
Speaker 5: just worn for the next five years of my life.
Speaker 2: But are you are you like doing like a Steve
Speaker 2: Jobs kind of thing with your with your sneakers? Your
Speaker 2: life might be this is it like.
Speaker 5: On the sneaker front? Definitely like I'm not, you know,
Speaker 5: I liked I like the way those shoes look. They
Speaker 5: they toe, they toe a lot that I think is
Speaker 5: perfectly on brand for me, which is like.
Speaker 1: Very are intended just so we can get that out
Speaker 1: of the stay.
Speaker 5: Yes, that was very intended. Yeah, they project Dad first
Speaker 5: and foremost, which is very comfortable with, but a little
Speaker 5: bit of you know, a little a little more interesting.
Speaker 5: And so I think the five seven fourth square that
Speaker 5: for me. But yeah, I would very happily just like
Speaker 5: have fifteen pairs of that. I was sitting there and
Speaker 5: every six months just put on a fresh pair.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just recently blew through my first pair of
Speaker 2: new Balances that I'm like, oh yeah, because you know you,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, I need my dad's shoe life.
Speaker 2: I need I need comfortable shoes. I can't just walk
Speaker 2: around and untied Jordans all day like I used to,
Speaker 2: where my my feet just get just wrecked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feet when you take a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of steps under Jordan.
Speaker 3: That's the big thing.
Speaker 2: I barely time my shoe Like I only started tying
Speaker 2: my shoes like maybe two years, like a year ago.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I keep them loose.
Speaker 1: And some of the Jordans are like starting to feel
Speaker 1: to me in my old age, like the boots from
Speaker 1: the face off Prism.
Speaker 2: They're just oh like magnetic to the ground.
Speaker 1: You use a hand to like get my legs moving
Speaker 1: a little bit around the house.
Speaker 5: Are you a socks or a slippers person?
Speaker 2: Socks?
Speaker 5: Socks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. I have socks my uh, and I
Speaker 2: have grippy socks too, Like in the pandemic, like when
Speaker 2: it started, and I was, you know, because I don't
Speaker 2: wear shoes at home, I just had socks that were
Speaker 2: that felt like they had traction. They'd be like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not totally fucking around with my footwear right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You like to be able to jump stop wherever you
Speaker 1: are even Oh, yes, you get able to stop on
Speaker 1: a dime?
Speaker 2: Yeah, euro stamp, Yeah exactly. After repeated blows to the
Speaker 2: back of my head trying to do that, yeah, I
Speaker 2: was like, I gotta get grippy socks.
Speaker 1: What uh, what's something, Jody? Do you think is overrated?
Speaker 5: This is not exactly exactly overrated because I love it.
Speaker 5: But I was thinking about this past weekend. I conned
Speaker 5: my daughter into alphabetizing my vinyl collection for me, which
Speaker 5: was great. It'd been like two decades of mess and
Speaker 5: then I was like, oh, this would be educational to her,
Speaker 5: and you know, really it was just finally getting around
Speaker 5: to doing it. So we sat down and wetized my vinyl,
Speaker 5: and most of it is like stuff that I bought,
Speaker 5: you know, for like two dollars a record, three dollars
Speaker 5: a record, like many many years ago of hauled around
Speaker 5: and I love, you know, I love listening to it,
Speaker 5: but I've gotten a little bit into just buying stuff
Speaker 5: on vinyl, like a lot of people have lately, and
Speaker 5: it's really expensive, like it's crazy. And I was reading
Speaker 5: something yesterday about someone saying kind of like everyone that
Speaker 5: they know who collected vinyl for like the practice of it,
Speaker 5: you know, not not necessarily for the fidelity of the audio,
Speaker 5: but like just it's fun to collect and it's good.
Speaker 5: It's nice look at the artwork, and it's nice to
Speaker 5: have music collection. All those people, at least this person claimed,
Speaker 5: are moving to CDs now because you still get that
Speaker 5: active collecting, but like you're not dropping forty dollars on
Speaker 5: piece of vinyl. So I think Final is writing this
Speaker 5: weird like maybe overrated curve or whatever. I think it's
Speaker 5: gonna and I start I've started to feel that myself too, like, oh,
Speaker 5: it's really fun to do this, but gosh, I cannot
Speaker 5: drop twenty five to forty dollars every time I get
Speaker 5: a new piece of finyl.
Speaker 2: You don't think, because I've thought about this myself, and
Speaker 2: the reason I've justified my vinyl collection is that if
Speaker 2: there's like the world's electronics go out, my CDs are useless,
Speaker 2: my MP threes are useless, But I can still put
Speaker 2: my ear to a needle and move the record around
Speaker 2: and still hear the music or like muse it round.
Speaker 2: Like to me, it feels like the one apocalypse proof
Speaker 2: form of recorded music.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you had to do that, just really like
Speaker 1: hand rotate the record, I feel like that would get
Speaker 1: annoying for you.
Speaker 5: I think there was a whole and the director's cut
Speaker 5: of Station eleven, there's like a ten hour section where
Speaker 5: they're just listening to need a simone by hand cranking
Speaker 5: it around. It's really an incredible scene.
Speaker 1: Vinyl, right, at least compared to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'm sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So people are skipping the tapes tapes, which is right.
Speaker 5: Well, that's the other question, the tapes. But I guess,
Speaker 5: I guess the tapes aren't as like interesting of an
Speaker 5: artifact and then and so forth, and if you're really
Speaker 5: just in it to kind of like be able to
Speaker 5: flip through stuff or whatever and just like you're collecting.
Speaker 5: Then CDs might be the answer.
Speaker 2: But I think like a lot of the hip or
Speaker 2: bands are putting out tapes now too, like oh yeah,
Speaker 2: is that in la where they're like, no, dude, put
Speaker 2: Aren't dar Demo on fucking cassette? But then it like
Speaker 2: it sounds like whatever. God, I mean, it's cool, I
Speaker 2: get it, you know, do what you want to do.
Speaker 5: No, it's funny. You go to band camp and it's
Speaker 5: like you buy it and the options are basically like
Speaker 5: P three cassette and fifty dollars vinyl that'll take eight
Speaker 5: months to arrive because Taylor Swift gets the print all
Speaker 5: of her stuff before any indie band gets the print.
Speaker 2: All the world's vinyl is going to making that.
Speaker 5: It's true, it's a huge shortage. It's kind of an
Speaker 5: incredible thing that all these big artists like leap Frog,
Speaker 5: all the all the other folks who want to put
Speaker 5: stuff out on vinyl.
Speaker 1: Is it the material that there's a Is it like
Speaker 1: helium like one of those materials that secretly is just
Speaker 1: like we have a finite limit of vinyl in it.
Speaker 5: It's more the manufacturing facilities. But I'm not sure, but
Speaker 5: I think it's that, you know, it's vinyl has taken
Speaker 5: off a you know in the last few years, but
Speaker 5: not to a place where like it's worth opening a
Speaker 5: vinyl factory in you know, in Cleveland or whatever. So
Speaker 5: there's still a limited, limited manufacturing capability, but like a
Speaker 5: really exponentially growing demand. And so then yeah, it's created
Speaker 5: this whole thing where like Taylor Shift can put out
Speaker 5: all her back catalog on vinyl, you know, have it
Speaker 5: on shelves in a week, and indie bands need to
Speaker 5: wait like eight months in line, you know, Right.
Speaker 1: Will there ever be music stores like physical media stores?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 2: Like not not you know.
Speaker 1: Used record stores like we have now, but like, will
Speaker 1: there be a future where there's a record store, just
Speaker 1: like it's not abnormal to see one?
Speaker 2: Do you guess think?
Speaker 5: I think so. I mean, at least in New York,
Speaker 5: there's like I mean, I was at the the Rough
Speaker 5: Trade has like a proper record store here in New York,
Speaker 5: a flagship store, and it's like looked like a you know,
Speaker 5: record starts a bunch of new vinyl, and actually there's
Speaker 5: a cassette player. I noticed on per sale there too,
Speaker 5: But I don't know, I mean, I don't think there's
Speaker 5: going to be in every neighborhood or on every corner.
Speaker 2: But yeah, right, oh wow, it sounds like too. It's like,
Speaker 2: because CDs, you know, became the norm, all the vinyl
Speaker 2: operations just started to cease to exist, and so you're
Speaker 2: left with like less plants. But also apparently there's a
Speaker 2: place that The Apollo Masters fire of February twenty twenty
Speaker 2: also had a huge setback on the vinyl industry. The
Speaker 2: only plant in North America equipped to manufacture vinyl lacquer discs,
Speaker 2: which is a key step in manufacturing process, had a
Speaker 2: three alarm fire that completely destroyed its facility. That's great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so now people are going to a manufacturer in Japan.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this shit is Yeah.
Speaker 5: Can I tell you my favorite little at about vinyl
Speaker 5: records that I learned in just fairly recently. And I'm
Speaker 5: sure I will get corrected by the Reddit page if
Speaker 5: I screw this up, but it's something like this that
Speaker 5: the like physical way that a needle interacts with the
Speaker 5: grooves on a record has a little bit to do
Speaker 5: with the instrumentation on the record, right, And it's basically
Speaker 5: that like higher pitch stuff has shallower or smaller grooves,
Speaker 5: and more bass has bigger grooves and Moreover, as the
Speaker 5: needle and the arm gets closer to the middle of
Speaker 5: a record, it becomes a little more unstable just because
Speaker 5: of the physics of it or whatever. Which is all
Speaker 5: to say that throughout the like sixties seventies when they
Speaker 5: were pressing vinyl, it was very risky to put bass
Speaker 5: heavy songs on the towards the middle of a side
Speaker 5: of vinyl, right, because it could potentially like throw things off.
Speaker 5: So to me, so like to me, you know, I've
Speaker 5: always been like, oh, I love all these Fleetwood mac
Speaker 5: records where like the end of side one then on
Speaker 5: this beautiful acoustic little piece, you know what, wonderful track
Speaker 5: listing in our program. And it's actually just because of
Speaker 5: the like a physical problem they have to do that.
Speaker 5: But it has like defined for me, like so many
Speaker 5: of these records that they end on these little acoustic moments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like put the bangers up top. Yeah that basically
Speaker 1: the Beatles White album like opens with back in the
Speaker 1: USS or or whatever, and then amazing what uh, what's
Speaker 1: something you think is underrated?
Speaker 5: Jody Mittens, that's not that interesting. Actually know you might
Speaker 5: wait wait, can I ask your questions? Sorry to break?
Speaker 1: Can something be underrated if it's on the list of
Speaker 1: favorite things from the song favorite Things? Just a question
Speaker 1: I'm put putting out there, but it's true.
Speaker 2: We'll let the listeners decide.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's underrated, but it's something that
Speaker 5: is that I've really loved in my life and I'm
Speaker 5: ranting to everyone about. But is this product? I don't
Speaker 5: know if they're gonna sponsor the show. Maybe they can
Speaker 5: sponsor the show. It's called Brick. Have you heard about this? Brick?
Speaker 2: And it is Mittens.
Speaker 5: I switched from Have you heard about this?
Speaker 3: I love Brick?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I threw them through a cop cars windshield.
Speaker 5: No exactly exactly. They're great. No, no, no, so so
Speaker 5: brick is this is this device? I've been on a
Speaker 5: long quest to like remove apps from my phone and
Speaker 5: sort of not get caught in the rabbit hole of
Speaker 5: you know, social media and all that stuff in my phone.
Speaker 5: And I've tried all sorts of things, including going to
Speaker 5: a flip phone for a while, and that was no
Speaker 5: good and I had to go back and I finally
Speaker 5: discovered a thing called Brick, which is a product, and
Speaker 5: it basically is a piece of software that lets you
Speaker 5: decide what apps you want to have on and what
Speaker 5: apps you you don't want to have on. So you
Speaker 5: can basically take your phone and just say, like I
Speaker 5: want Maps, I want Spotify, I want so forth. You know,
Speaker 5: I want all these things, but I also don't but
Speaker 5: I don't want to have all the social media and
Speaker 5: email and all that stuff. And the way you turn
Speaker 5: it on and turn it off, the way you activate
Speaker 5: it is by tapping it against a physical square device
Speaker 5: called the Brick, and that thing lives on my fridge.
Speaker 5: So it's sitting on my fridge, and when I want
Speaker 5: to basically unlock my phone, I have to walk over
Speaker 5: and like tap it against this little thing that's that's
Speaker 5: on my fridge. And when I leave the house, I
Speaker 5: can't unlock my phone because the Brick is back on
Speaker 5: my fridge and it has done wonders. It's incredible. I
Speaker 5: have finally kind of like on on rabbit hold my phone,
Speaker 5: and I only have things on there that are like useful,
Speaker 5: and I don't have any of the distractions yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh so it basically is like, okay, time out for
Speaker 2: these other apps. Yeah, until you come back for the
Speaker 2: brick tap. Okay.
Speaker 1: The physicality of it's cool that there's no right, a
Speaker 1: physical space that's like your that's like base for your phone.
Speaker 1: Like I'm off base, I can Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 5: That's because the problem is that like iPhones have that
Speaker 5: screen time thing where it's like you can tell up
Speaker 5: and close all these apps, but it's still the way
Speaker 5: to unlock. It is still on your phone, and you
Speaker 5: find yourself going and undoing the settings, and the fact
Speaker 5: that it's just a physical, separate space has made all
Speaker 5: the difference. Like it's really yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: It's like you can't psycho analyze yourself. You can't fix
Speaker 1: the broken tool with the broken tool, and you can't
Speaker 1: you can't fix your phone addiction with button.
Speaker 2: Phone right, your phone. That's cool. I love that.
Speaker 5: Give it a show.
Speaker 1: Have you have you ever like accidentally not unlocked your
Speaker 1: phone and like gone been out for the day in
Speaker 1: New York City?
Speaker 5: I mean I'm doing it every day. I'm basically now
Speaker 5: when I leave the house, my phone is bricked, you know,
Speaker 5: And so and so I've had to like tell people
Speaker 5: I work with, I'm like, I don't. I no longer
Speaker 5: have email or slack on my phone. If you need
Speaker 5: to reach me, text me or call me or just
Speaker 5: generally I'll be back in a couple of hours. It's all, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, all right.
Speaker 5: Brick and mittens, you know, under undercut the mittens. You
Speaker 5: can keep it in or you.
Speaker 1: Can I think we keep it in. Mitten's mintens are
Speaker 1: are great. Just one of a few of my favorite things.
Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back and get into the news. And we're back.
Speaker 1: And this is just a little minor one, a little
Speaker 1: check in. But Fox News did a little town hall
Speaker 1: event hosted by Laura Ingram where she asked Trump about
Speaker 1: six possible choices for his running mate DeSantis, Scott Ramaswami, Donald's,
Speaker 1: Byron Donalds.
Speaker 2: Gno, and Gabbard.
Speaker 1: Are they all on your short list? I'm I didn't
Speaker 1: watch it. I'm picturing this having the music from Who
Speaker 1: Wants to Be a Millionaire behind it as she's like,
Speaker 1: do you will you lock this in? And Trump said, yeah, honestly,
Speaker 1: all those people are good they're all good. Oh, they're
Speaker 1: all solid, which people people are like.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he.
Speaker 1: Announced his short list.
Speaker 2: No he didn't.
Speaker 1: He just answered the question that you posed to try
Speaker 1: to make this into a story like that. The mainstream
Speaker 1: media needs a something right now to fill in for
Speaker 1: the fact that there is not going to be a
Speaker 1: primary season that people will pay attention to, and so
Speaker 1: they're going to go with this would be my that's
Speaker 1: my prediction is that they're just going to really turn
Speaker 1: this into the Bachelor Vice President edition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be the Faschelor and where this is all headed.
Speaker 5: Jack. I'm really glad you kind of honed in on
Speaker 5: that dynamic of how that question got asked, because it
Speaker 5: is such a hallmark of how people ask questions of
Speaker 5: Trump and how he wants to be asked questions. But
Speaker 5: it's this like reporter floating an idea and then all
Speaker 5: Trump has to do is yes and and pray along
Speaker 5: and acting yes, and it's like people do not you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, you're literally collaborating with him in that point,
Speaker 5: in that way to create this news moment insure that
Speaker 5: like I guess the Fox News, but even you know,
Speaker 5: quote unquote mainstream reporters find themselves playing that game where
Speaker 5: they'll just like float ideas and then Trump, I mean,
Speaker 5: he will go along with almost anything that you say
Speaker 5: to his face if it has this tone of like,
Speaker 5: you know, it's a lot like I think she could
Speaker 5: have snuck in, like Stacy Abrams's name, like into that
Speaker 5: list and Trump would have been like, oh yeah like
Speaker 5: them all, you know, yes, I'm into it, you know,
Speaker 5: like you like he just so that was the dynamic
Speaker 5: that I most sort of jumped out to me is
Speaker 5: so frustrating, and we're seeing it all happen again. The
Speaker 5: way that he gets asked questions like he hasn't actually
Speaker 5: thought about these people. He isn't going to actually engage
Speaker 5: with their merits. He's going to make it a reality
Speaker 5: TV show. It is like hilarious and fucking heartbreaking to
Speaker 5: me that the Santas is on that list because the
Speaker 5: Santus will never ever, ever ever get picked, and mostly
Speaker 5: because he's too short, and that's just like how Trump works.
Speaker 5: But you know, it is just so funny that he's
Speaker 5: on that list.
Speaker 1: Does that help him that he Trump kind of towers
Speaker 1: next to him, you know, like I.
Speaker 5: Think Trump, I think Trump like literally just thinks of
Speaker 5: these people as casting and when he gets it in
Speaker 5: his head that he's too short, he's just too short, that's.
Speaker 2: Right, Or does he think of it like he's like
Speaker 2: Pence was too tough and he had a spine. I
Speaker 2: need I need a weakling who wears custom boots so
Speaker 2: I can really push him around and embarrass him, because
Speaker 2: it feels like he would if DeSantis was his VP,
Speaker 2: he'd right be like, folks, I want you to look
Speaker 2: at Ron's boots.
Speaker 1: Take him off, yeah, show everybody just humiliate him like
Speaker 1: that would probably be the most entertaining is he has
Speaker 1: Desanta's and then just make some meat ship because I
Speaker 1: also Desanta's what turned out to be like heading in
Speaker 1: when he's on the cover of Time magazine and.
Speaker 2: People are like, he's just smarter.
Speaker 1: Trump, I was like, this guy's gonna be like very boring,
Speaker 1: and he was actually one of the more fascinating people
Speaker 1: to watch run for office because he was so uncomfortable
Speaker 1: and weird. Yep, So I don't hate the prospect of
Speaker 1: him again. I don't think it's going to happen because
Speaker 1: Trump is just like I feel like he's more likely
Speaker 1: to just like pick the liver king or like somebody
Speaker 1: with big muscles that he is, you know, the big
Speaker 1: muscle is down here.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I pick the undertaker from
Speaker 2: WWE like damn, but Desanta is like I have having
Speaker 2: Desantas squirming in the spotlight was a fun, you know, sport.
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't like that.
Speaker 5: You know there's anything that Trump notices, it's that right, Yes,
Speaker 5: Trump watches TV with the sound off and he just
Speaker 5: makes you know, he just looks at someone and Desanta's
Speaker 5: like Sweaty's squirming.
Speaker 2: Onder the loser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a short loser, it turns out, which yeah,
Speaker 1: unfortunately for him. Trump did especially laud Tim Scott, but
Speaker 1: mainly for how much Scott talks about him.
Speaker 2: So I again.
Speaker 1: If he's trying to pick the best sick of fans
Speaker 1: that's gonna make him look good, maybe this is the pick.
Speaker 1: If he's trying to pick like this strongest, the strongest guy,
Speaker 1: which seems like what he did not pick the strongest
Speaker 1: guy the first time around. He just picked the one
Speaker 1: that his supporters were telling him, or you know, his
Speaker 1: analysts were telling him was the best kind of strategic
Speaker 1: triangulation move. But he said of Scott, I watched his
Speaker 1: campaign and he doesn't like talking about himself, but boy
Speaker 1: does he like talking about Trump.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's kind of like the whole thing was
Speaker 2: just you know, sort of rigged de facto meant for
Speaker 2: his nomination anyway, It's like, well, I can't speak ill
Speaker 2: of the guy who I'm going to have to beg
Speaker 2: for a cabinet position eventually. So yeah, here we are.
Speaker 1: Almost as all right, let's talk about the Alabama Supreme Court. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in a first of it's kind ruling, the Alabama Supreme
Speaker 1: Court just declared that frozen embryos are children and those
Speaker 1: who destroy them can be held liable for wrongful death,
Speaker 1: making it even more terrifying. It'd be a doctor in Alabama. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this was I think inevitable.
Speaker 2: A lot of people once you know, rowe Fell, were like,
Speaker 2: you know, IVF is also the other thing, because these
Speaker 2: antichoice people fucking would love nothing more than to go
Speaker 2: after IVF and get continue the sort of like these
Speaker 2: these cell clumps are people and they have rights, and
Speaker 2: if you drop a test tube with it in there,
Speaker 2: that could be murder. Although that's still we still don't
Speaker 2: know what the bounds are of that law, but the
Speaker 2: very least there are stiff penalties that could easily bankrupt
Speaker 2: any sort of healthcare provider because of you know, something
Speaker 2: happened and this, you know, this comes from these lawsuits
Speaker 2: where these parents who had IVF treatment had their embryos frozen,
Speaker 2: and like a patient at the hospital where the embryos
Speaker 2: were at had got access to these embryos and then
Speaker 2: dropped them, picked them up with the bare hands. Yes,
Speaker 2: something that is cryogenically frozen. I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: seen the movies, but that's a little bit. I think
Speaker 2: that's not like taking a pint of ice cream out
Speaker 2: of your freezer. But anyway, and then yeah, so because
Speaker 2: of that, these embryos were destroyed and the parents sued
Speaker 2: the clinic for quote wrongful death, and they these the
Speaker 2: court loved nothing more than to oblige them and said that, yeah,
Speaker 2: these are these people do fit the definition of a
Speaker 2: person or child.
Speaker 1: The quote from the Chief Justice is fucking terrifying.
Speaker 2: Dude, this is wild. So yeah, the Chief Justice of
Speaker 2: Alabama Supreme Court said that, you know the people of
Speaker 2: Alabama have declared and have adopted quote the theologically based
Speaker 2: view that quote, life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring
Speaker 2: the wrath of a holy god. M hmm so just
Speaker 2: hm hmm, so.
Speaker 1: No more capital punishment Alabama?
Speaker 2: Is that? What? Wait? No, no, no, I mean. But
Speaker 2: then also, how conversely, how would you look at the
Speaker 2: idea of science being able to to create life out
Speaker 2: of the you know, the the actual human intercourse version
Speaker 2: versus you know, because right now IVF eggs are retrieved,
Speaker 2: they're fertilized with sperm, and then they're rated for quality,
Speaker 2: and the higher quality embryos are the ones that are
Speaker 2: transferred to the uterus, and often more than one at
Speaker 2: a time are done so in order to increase the
Speaker 2: chances of success. And so that's the that's the thing
Speaker 2: where this chief just is like, well, there is a
Speaker 2: version that you could do that wouldn't put it at risk.
Speaker 2: So in this version, according to this Chief Justice, who
Speaker 2: is not a fucking doctor, is basically saying every time
Speaker 2: an embryos created, it has to be transferred to the
Speaker 2: uterus and regardless of quality. So you're saying like and
Speaker 2: if a doctor be like this has actually a very
Speaker 2: low chance of being successful, They're like, well, we got
Speaker 2: to try because that embryo is a person and if
Speaker 2: you destroy it then that's that's a no no, and
Speaker 2: you will incur the wrath of a fucking holy God.
Speaker 2: And this is like obviously terrible because it's just it's expensive,
Speaker 2: it's needless, very painful for the patient. And this is
Speaker 2: just sort of like the abortion bands where logic does
Speaker 2: not prevail, where they're like, no, the doctor must wait
Speaker 2: until the patient is like on death's doorstep before they
Speaker 2: can intervene and ask a court if it's okay to
Speaker 2: terminate a pregnancy, and the Chief Justice is sort of
Speaker 2: logic for this more arcane version of IVF that he
Speaker 2: feels is more in line.
Speaker 3: With God's law.
Speaker 2: He was like, well, you know, it's it's fine because
Speaker 2: the Italians made this a law back in two thousand
Speaker 2: and four and then completely left out the part where
Speaker 2: the law was fucking rescinded a few years later because
Speaker 2: it was so fucked up and backwards. So yeah, this
Speaker 2: is just a very you know, the next sort of
Speaker 2: the next target in terms of reproductive rights that anti
Speaker 2: choice people are going after. And yeah, obviously people are
Speaker 2: scared because it could go to other states.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're right, you're right to point out that,
Speaker 5: you know, it is clearly there's just a top line
Speaker 5: agenda here and everything is kind of retrofitted to fit
Speaker 5: into it, including not sort of thinking through the rip
Speaker 5: effects as you were saying. But like on the on
Speaker 5: the front end, I mean, it's just I don't know,
Speaker 5: maybe it's just stating the obvious, but like the idea
Speaker 5: that you're trying to essentially make a law that points
Speaker 5: out that, like a random person shouldn't walk into a
Speaker 5: facility and grab frozen embryo things and then accidentally drop
Speaker 5: them on the ground, Like I think we do we
Speaker 5: need do we need a law? Yeah? Do we need
Speaker 5: a law exactly? Do we need a law that then
Speaker 5: defines embryos people in order to kind of like put
Speaker 5: guardrails on that kind of behavior? And so clearly, like
Speaker 5: you know, this is exploiting a moment in order to
Speaker 5: take a bigger, a bigger stance here and set some
Speaker 5: really sort of scary precedent. But I mean, like not
Speaker 5: everything and I understand this hell often works, but there
Speaker 5: it's probably another way, you know, like the pre war
Speaker 5: should have been like how about a key? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What if that ship?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How about how about gloves next to the cryogenic freezer.
Speaker 5: But the gloves have the Bill of Rights and the
Speaker 5: gloves of the you know, some Bible versus on the back.
Speaker 1: Right commandments on the back, so that you can did
Speaker 1: anybody notice if this justice's hands were bandaged up while
Speaker 1: he was delivering this because it feels like the sort
Speaker 1: of thing like you.
Speaker 5: Could sit inside job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying, so show me your hands, sir.
Speaker 5: It's it's clearly the most efficient way to get this ruling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, because it's like such an inexplicable move like
Speaker 1: move by the person to just go in there and
Speaker 1: be like doope to doop de doo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are these things do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is going to have immediate, really fucked
Speaker 1: up consequences for fertility specialists. They don't really like doctors
Speaker 1: aren't even sure how to proceed in light of this,
Speaker 1: because point they've been given absolutely no guidance and it's
Speaker 1: just so kind of out of left field that there's
Speaker 1: not a clear path.
Speaker 2: Forward for them. So no, yeah, and like using laws
Speaker 2: from like the nineteenth century to like kind of be
Speaker 2: part of like their reasoning. I mean, it's just you know,
Speaker 2: it's by every definition, the most regressive form of creating
Speaker 2: a law to punish people for whatever. Again, because the
Speaker 2: agenda is these clumps of cells are human beings, and
Speaker 2: I think that's what a lot of people whenever these
Speaker 2: sort of declarations are made, You're always like, okay, so
Speaker 2: then what does that mean? Like what rights do they
Speaker 2: have too? Like if they are a person, then do
Speaker 2: they have don't they got rights? And then how does
Speaker 2: that work? But the other thing is too with these
Speaker 2: embryos that are stored, they're saying that like you can't
Speaker 2: these these IVF clinics have to store the embryos like
Speaker 2: imperpetuity dues. Like there's no there is no like disposing
Speaker 2: of embryos. They said, even after quote even after the
Speaker 2: couple's children, grandchildren, and even great grandchildren have died, they
Speaker 2: must remain in cryogenic storage. And again it's just to
Speaker 2: make it completely.
Speaker 5: Catscade of little ripple effects. I mean, I can just
Speaker 5: imagine like the clerk for this judge like every ten
Speaker 5: minutes walking back into office and that Okay, I just
Speaker 5: figured out, like we're gonna have to answer this thing too.
Speaker 5: It's like okay, oh, but what about okay, so I
Speaker 5: guess that's store them forever. Okay, write that down. Okay,
Speaker 5: now we'll get you.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, all right, let's take a quick break. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 1: And the fallout from Trump's financial ruling keeps coming. First,
Speaker 1: he starts selling the sick Golden sneakers at Sneaker con
Speaker 1: and now New York is losing two of its most
Speaker 1: promising and successful entrepreneurs. The guy who made Dilbert and
Speaker 1: the dumb guy from Shark Tank are both They've both
Speaker 1: announced if New York's gonna be a dick about it,
Speaker 1: then they're not. They're not gonna do business in New York.
Speaker 1: So this is following the ruling that Trump has to
Speaker 1: pay three hundred and fifty five million dollars plus interest
Speaker 1: for lying about his wealth and inflating the value of
Speaker 1: his assets. Canadian businessman in Shark Tank goon Kevin O'Leary,
Speaker 1: he told Fox News that he will never invest in
Speaker 1: New York now because it is a lose, loser state.
Speaker 2: Sir, are you vying for a cabinet position too? What's
Speaker 2: going on? He said?
Speaker 1: It was already a loser state like California is a
Speaker 1: loser state. There are many loser states because of policies,
Speaker 1: high taxes, and uncompetitive regulations. It was already at the
Speaker 1: top of the list of loser states. Never invest in
Speaker 1: New York. And I'm not the only person saying that
Speaker 1: I love. He really has the trump ism of like
Speaker 1: people are saying, I'm not the only one.
Speaker 2: A lot everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody's saying these people are losers.
Speaker 2: The New York is the top of the loser states.
Speaker 2: So funny, Yes, everybody says they're a loser, also behind
Speaker 2: your back, and they just don't tell you to your face,
Speaker 2: but like everyone's saying it.
Speaker 1: Also, if there's one thing O'Leary is an expert in,
Speaker 1: it's being a loser. According to his turn on Celebrity Jeopardy,
Speaker 1: Yeah he got is that Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah he might.
Speaker 1: I think that's Aaron Rodgers at twelve thousand, eight hundred
Speaker 1: dollars and mister Wonderful at negative two thousand, eight hundred.
Speaker 1: It's up there with Wolf Blitzer on the list of
Speaker 1: like Celebrity Jeopardies where you're like, oh, this, this is
Speaker 1: this paints you in a completely different light than what
Speaker 1: is portrayed on Televion yeah.
Speaker 5: I wonder he like wolf did poorly. I didn't. I
Speaker 5: didn't catch that one. Oh man, really yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: you got it.
Speaker 2: You gotta watch the highlights of that one. That's pretty
Speaker 2: funn I think he's also it's him, and also the
Speaker 2: other person is I think Senator Mark Kelly. It looks like, yeah,
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember that being like one of the
Speaker 1: rationales for like why he might be a good host
Speaker 1: is that he did well in Celebrity Jeopardy. The fact
Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers is at twelve thousand, eight hundred and
Speaker 1: Senator Mark Kelly is at eight thousand and six hundred.
Speaker 2: An astronaut, you know, yeah, and then mister wonderful's ass
Speaker 2: he owes money. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Scott Adams of course wrote on Twitter that
Speaker 1: he's canceling all New York City business trips until the
Speaker 1: Trump property seizure is reversed. Also, no new businesses with
Speaker 1: New York entities.
Speaker 2: So oh, people were did the public did the publishing
Speaker 2: industry move towns? But we'll see they don't fucking work
Speaker 2: with him anymore? Oh right, right, right right.
Speaker 1: People questioned why he would even be going to New York.
Speaker 1: He defensively said, everyone in my line of work has
Speaker 1: regular NYC trips, But since his strip was dropped by
Speaker 1: its distributor after he went on a bunch of racist tirades,
Speaker 1: his line of work these days seems to be making
Speaker 1: YouTube videos and solicitening crowd funding money with cartooning lessons
Speaker 1: and a new I guess there's a new like red
Speaker 1: band trailer version of Dilbert that you can get a
Speaker 1: version of Dilbert Spicy Dilbert.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you know.
Speaker 5: I yeah. I got my start here in New York
Speaker 5: in public radio and worked, you know, for WMC. And
Speaker 5: like this story of like people claiming to leave New
Speaker 5: York and take their business elsewhere. I mean, it's like
Speaker 5: the oldest story in the book. And I mean it
Speaker 5: often plays out with like New Jersey and New York
Speaker 5: and New Jersey cutting its taxes to try and lower
Speaker 5: businesses away, and you know, it's occasionally happened, but it
Speaker 5: just it does not happen. People do not follow up
Speaker 5: on this. I mean, I think for the obvious reasons,
Speaker 5: but it's like this is the cultural capital, this is
Speaker 5: the human capital. Like people do not realize that, like
Speaker 5: this is where the people who actually you will need
Speaker 5: to populate a lot of your businesses are And I
Speaker 5: just like, I don't know how what game people think
Speaker 5: they're playing when time and time again, you know, even
Speaker 5: like you know, post pandemic, this whole story about office
Speaker 5: occupancy being a huge problem in New York, it's like
Speaker 5: bouncing back in the last six months in a way
Speaker 5: that people didn't really you know, it is starting to
Speaker 5: bounce back. I just I just think people don't realize
Speaker 5: that they're never going to win by like playing this
Speaker 5: game with New York City.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and also just having like the least principled
Speaker 2: boycott ever to be like, and I'm standing on like
Speaker 2: this is this is this is a very like highly
Speaker 2: moral ground. These are this is why I'm saying we
Speaker 2: shouldn't do it, Like because even truckers were also getting
Speaker 2: in on this too. They started grumbling about how they
Speaker 2: could bring New York City to its knees over this
Speaker 2: shit by boycotting the city.
Speaker 5: One trucker on TikTok. Maybe. I mean there's a media
Speaker 5: element here too, right that it's like, yeah, we put
Speaker 5: a spotlight on these people and they're grumbling, and then
Speaker 5: we don't actually follow up on their actual.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, there's this guy like you're referencing Chicago Ray
Speaker 2: on TikTok and he said, I've been on the radio
Speaker 2: talking to drivers for about the past hour, and I've
Speaker 2: talked to about ten drivers.
Speaker 5: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: And he said, I don't know how far across the
Speaker 2: country this is or how many truckers are going to
Speaker 2: start denying loads going to New York City, but I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what. You fuck around and find out. And
Speaker 2: two days later he took the video down and folded
Speaker 2: like Origami, and then he said, quote, just to be clear,
Speaker 2: I'm no figurehead of any movement. I'm not leading, nor
Speaker 2: have I encouraged or am I encouraging anyone to do
Speaker 2: anything other than what they were doing prior to their
Speaker 2: ruling Friday in New York City. And they also mentioned
Speaker 2: that his grandson saw his shit go viral on TikTok,
Speaker 2: and I think presumably maybe didn't want to embarrass him
Speaker 2: any further, because it's probably bad enough that his grandpa
Speaker 2: goes by Chicago Ray. Other truckers just out of like
Speaker 2: they immediately dismissed this boycott. They're like, dude, I haven't
Speaker 2: heard a single thing about anything being close to an
Speaker 2: organized boycott or strike or whatever. And it seems to
Speaker 2: be like there is organic anger over New York City
Speaker 2: from truckers, but that seems to stem from the fact
Speaker 2: that a lot of trucks, like truckers are now made
Speaker 2: to pay tolls in the city, and they're more like
Speaker 2: that would probably be a bigger reason where you'd see
Speaker 2: something organized from truckers, not because they're all like, it's
Speaker 2: not fair that the guy who did fraud and hasn't
Speaker 2: denied that it was fraud. He just said that he
Speaker 2: has a right to do it. I don't like that
Speaker 2: they're enforcing the law against this person.
Speaker 1: Still, I mean, that's a pretty big statement coming from
Speaker 1: I mean that that's the he covered Chicago territory for
Speaker 1: all the rays.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he is Chicago Ray.
Speaker 1: He's the ray for all.
Speaker 2: Of What does New York Ray have to say?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: I know exactly was that was what.
Speaker 2: It was on my mind. But maybe maybe.
Speaker 5: They famous ray versus Chicago Ray.
Speaker 1: There's so many rays in New York claiming supremacy over
Speaker 1: one another. The first famous rays fa.
Speaker 5: I think there's a there's a pizza shop I've seen
Speaker 5: called like original Famous Rays. Yeah, just like and you know,
Speaker 5: you look at that sign and you're like, there was
Speaker 5: just like thirty years worth of backstory, collection of words.
Speaker 1: The original not like those busters over one block up.
Speaker 1: I think they're like a dozen that claimed to be
Speaker 1: the original Famous Rays. But yeah, god, the ray Wars
Speaker 1: of the nineteen seventies or whenever the fuck that happened,
Speaker 1: that would be amazing. Famous Rays. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're famous for. I don't think it's their pizza, because
Speaker 1: that is probably I'd say, like Famous Rays is the
Speaker 1: most mediocre of the New York pizzas, Like it's it's
Speaker 1: good because like it's.
Speaker 5: Which what are you thinking about?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the one on like in the thirties
Speaker 1: on the East Side. That was the one that was
Speaker 1: like close to my the apartment of like that I
Speaker 1: spent most time at at that time. So and it
Speaker 1: was not good. But yeah, it's also highly variable too,
Speaker 1: which not great for a pizza chain. All right, should
Speaker 1: we talk measles huge comeback with a with a possible
Speaker 1: exception of justin Timberlake's album, The worst comeback of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four has been measles. Right now, there's a measles
Speaker 1: outbreak at a South Florida elementary school.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, miles, have you been thinking why am I
Speaker 2: on trial? Well? Have you been hanging out at any elementary?
Speaker 5: This is where that this is where a court order
Speaker 5: actually really is saving your butt.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: The World Health Organization just warned that last year's measles
Speaker 1: cases saw a seventy nine percent increase from twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: which is pretty bad for a disease that was declared
Speaker 1: eliminated from the US in the year two thousand. The
Speaker 1: big problem here, of course, is that vaccination rates are falling.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one twenty two school year, an estimated
Speaker 1: ninety three percent of the country's four million kindergarten children
Speaker 1: had recorded getting their recommended vaccines for guarding against measles, tetanus, polio,
Speaker 1: and arrisella. That which might not sound bad, but that
Speaker 1: number was down from ninety four percent the previous year
Speaker 1: ninety five percent the year before that. It also means
Speaker 1: that nearly two hundred and fifty thousand kindergarteners are potentially
Speaker 1: not protected against measles, which.
Speaker 5: I think you mean two hundred and fifty thousand kindergarteners
Speaker 5: are are now open for natural immunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly to be naturally immunized.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been immunized. That's what That's what my kindergartner
Speaker 1: asked when I said, wait, did we get you your vaccine? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I've been immunized.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember those three weeks of school you missed
Speaker 5: you were getting.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like any vaccines, you know, it's not one.
Speaker 1: So you need large vaccination numbers to act as a
Speaker 1: firewall to keep it from spreading. And we are trending
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. There have been reports and measles
Speaker 1: outbreaks in recent years prior to the pandemic, like the
Speaker 1: one in Disneyland, but following the COVID shit show, things
Speaker 1: seem to be getting worse thanks to what they're calling
Speaker 1: spillover a hesitancy, which is, you know, fear of the
Speaker 1: COVID vaccine causing people to avoid other vaccines.
Speaker 5: So there's a dynamic here that obviously played out during COVID,
Speaker 5: but like there's a distinction between vaccine skepticism, which I
Speaker 5: think is you know, worth interrogating, and it's pretty it's
Speaker 5: pretty awful as well. But then also this downplaying of
Speaker 5: the disease itself. And I mean that's one of the
Speaker 5: you know, many things in the around COVID that just
Speaker 5: made so thishearts like people were twisting themselves into logic
Speaker 5: to then just say like, oh, actually, you're not that sick.
Speaker 5: And I think that's starting to happen here too, where
Speaker 5: people will be like, oh, measles is not that bad.
Speaker 5: It's not just I'm skeptical vaccines for all these reasons
Speaker 5: that I've deluded myself. But it's more of that next
Speaker 5: logical step is than to say that these diseases aren't bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's natural. It's from the earth. Man. What's more
Speaker 1: natural than measles?
Speaker 2: It's measles, don't the black plague?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The I mean, so there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: actively doing what you're describing, downplaying the severity of measles,
Speaker 1: like the president of the Children's Health Defense, which sounds
Speaker 1: great name, sounds like a name that like ten years ago,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, sign me up Children's Health Defense, But now, like,
Speaker 1: knowing what we know, I'm like, this was founded by
Speaker 1: RFK Junior, wasn't it? And guess what it was? She said,
Speaker 1: it's not a super severe, serious illness. When you're a child,
Speaker 1: it's a couple of days in spots and then you
Speaker 1: move on, and kids love spots, like Mike loves Polka dots.
Speaker 1: She didn't say that last part, but like that's basically
Speaker 1: trying to make it into like a fun a fun thing, yeah,
Speaker 1: that you know, we shouldn't be too worried about. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there is a type of thing called a wellness influencer,
Speaker 1: and they've been promoting the idea of measles parties to
Speaker 1: expose kids and just like get it over with, which
Speaker 1: is a very dangerous relic of the past that largely
Speaker 1: ended with the availability of vaccines and now is coming
Speaker 1: back because.
Speaker 2: Do you know what's in the vaccine? Can? Because then yeah,
Speaker 2: no further questions, your answer. Do you know what's in
Speaker 2: your diet cream? Soda? You're drinking right now?
Speaker 1: Found com and soda, No further question.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're on your questions, you answer your question.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's just like it's so wild too,
Speaker 2: because like every time, like the so all of this
Speaker 2: started because of that fucking stupid debunked medical journal post
Speaker 2: about the guy who is trying to link the MMR
Speaker 2: vaccine to autism, and every journal who published it had
Speaker 2: to retract it. They had to be like, this guy's
Speaker 2: a fucking fraud. And it was exposed that he only
Speaker 2: started doing this for his own personal gain because he
Speaker 2: had a financial stake in an alternative MMR vaccine, and
Speaker 2: that was like his way to be like, oh man,
Speaker 2: this will get that. This is the best, this is
Speaker 2: the best marketing ever. And now look at where we are.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you have people constantly being like I just
Speaker 2: don't know. Like I know people who've said to me
Speaker 2: like I just don't know, like what will happen if
Speaker 2: I take the COVID vaccine or whatever. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: are the possibilities that you've heard of? And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: I just don't know.
Speaker 1: You just don't know. I can't predict the future. It's
Speaker 1: just like Okay, yeah, no, that I guess that's true.
Speaker 1: And you know how that we can do to argue
Speaker 1: with that. So you know how you'll react if you
Speaker 1: have COVID? Do you know know absolutely for certain that
Speaker 1: there's a one hundred percent chance that I won't have
Speaker 1: a bad reaction to this vaccine. It's like, you know
Speaker 1: or have the numbers where here's the percentage chance that
Speaker 1: you'll have a bad reaction with the vaccine, and then
Speaker 1: here's the percentage chants that without it you're going to
Speaker 1: get a serious case of COVID that will kill you.
Speaker 5: And then one other question, just as I weigh my options,
Speaker 5: but like, what are you know at the measles party?
Speaker 5: Like what are the snacks?
Speaker 2: Right? They are used lollipops. They're lollipops that you comes in,
Speaker 2: lick a lolly, leave it at the door. Then you
Speaker 2: reach in a bag, take one out, like it, put
Speaker 2: it back in, and we do that about for about
Speaker 2: five rounds, and then we're okay.
Speaker 5: New York I measles outbreak in twenty nineteen I think
Speaker 5: it was, and the measles parties thing came up, and
Speaker 5: I just found our is written around that period where
Speaker 5: just my heart goes out to the reporter who has
Speaker 5: to write an article headlined, Yeah, why measles parties are
Speaker 5: a bad idea for parents? Yes, And they have to
Speaker 5: call up like a very credential person from the CDC
Speaker 5: and ask them should you have measles parties? And then
Speaker 5: they're like doctor from the CDC has to give a
Speaker 5: quote saying you should not have measos parties because quote,
Speaker 5: vaccines are very effective. Right, yeah, you have to write
Speaker 5: up this whole article, but yeah, you shouldn't have a
Speaker 5: measless party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then they have to like write a first person account.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The clink of the glasses and hum of children chattering
Speaker 1: with one another.
Speaker 5: Set the scene here. You want to go gonzo on this,
Speaker 5: I think I need you to go hunder s Thompson
Speaker 5: on this one.
Speaker 1: And then our junior himself, of course then a major
Speaker 1: source of measles misinformation. He once claimed that chicken soup
Speaker 1: was more effective than the vaccine. There, he is your
Speaker 1: presidential candidate. Everybody are FK Junior?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: The people on the right are arguing, of course that
Speaker 1: mules vaccine, not really talking about the musles vaccine so
Speaker 1: much as just blaming any outbreaks on migrants being allowed
Speaker 1: into the country by Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, yeah yeah so but I also just
Speaker 2: like how there was like in back, like when there
Speaker 2: was an outbreak at like an immigration detention center, what
Speaker 2: a euphemistic name for that facility like that, They're like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: like it's because of the migrants in there. We're getting
Speaker 2: all this, we're getting like all this outbreak happened, and
Speaker 2: it's because a lot of the staff. There were plenty
Speaker 2: many staff members that refused to get vaccinated anyway, just
Speaker 2: a snaky in its own tail at this point. But hey,
Speaker 2: it's Joe Biden. I wonder if they have the what
Speaker 2: else they can blame on? I guess they there. Really,
Speaker 2: there's no there's no end to what conservatives will blame
Speaker 2: migrants for, like anything. No, Like yeah, like Taylor Swift
Speaker 2: is popular because of migrants. They're actually the ones playing
Speaker 2: her songs, and that's why she's so popular, and actually
Speaker 2: migrants are responsible for you know whatever, whatever the outrage
Speaker 2: your is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, Jody, it has been a pleasure
Speaker 1: having you as always on the daily Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Where can people find you?
Speaker 5: In fully, well, it is always a pleasure to come on.
Speaker 5: I really am in awe and you've set the bar.
Speaker 5: You set the bar at the beginning of this show
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: People can find me, you know you you thank you
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Speaker 2: You know, I'll be pave it when I'm on, but
Speaker 2: you know, I guess we'll see. Yeah, we actually get that.
Speaker 3: You know great.
Speaker 1: Is there a work in media that you've been enjoying?
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Speaker 5: So I don't know. It was very fun to watch
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Speaker 1: is when you don't watch a show because you don't
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Speaker 1: everyone agrees that it sucked. Yes, I was right to
Speaker 1: not watch that show. I chose not to because I
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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, exactly exactly. I knew you were gonna hate
Speaker 2: the ending, and that's why I didn't watch it.
Speaker 1: And then Mike f At Deputy Warlock tweeted, when people
Speaker 1: get food poisoning, they always tell you it came out
Speaker 1: of both ends. There's no need to malign the ass
Speaker 1: in that scenario. The food was going to come out
Speaker 1: of there regardless of whether it was poisonous.
Speaker 2: Leave the ass alone. Okay, yes, that's right.
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Speaker 2: I mean we were just talking about vinyl and just
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