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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Well we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and Tommy too ravel is perhaps unsurprisingly

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Speaker 1: making racist speeches. What an excellent show we have today.

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Speaker 1: First we're gonna talk to Congressman Peter Welsh, who is

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Speaker 1: the Democratic nominee for Senate in Vermont, and he's gonna

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Speaker 1: tell us about what's going on up in Vermont. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to David Roberts, who writes the sub stec Volts,

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Speaker 1: which covers clean energy and politics, and he's going to

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Speaker 1: tell us about what he's been seeing on the climate

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Speaker 1: change front lately. But first we have legendary Democratic strategist

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Speaker 1: James Carville. Welcome to Fast Politics. James Carville. Oh well,

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Speaker 1: thank you be Unfast Politics, FO. I actually kind of

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Speaker 1: wish with these mid terms that the politics were a

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Speaker 1: little slower. This is not your first, nor your second,

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Speaker 1: nor your third nor your fourth mid term. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what are you seeing here? I think the Republicans have

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Speaker 1: just weird, okay, just and who say that the weirdest things?

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Speaker 1: The guy in New Hampshire says that you should leave remben,

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Speaker 1: should leave the health decisions to Republican gentlemen. I don't

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Speaker 1: even mention Blake Masters in his opposition to our insry

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Speaker 1: to think about herschel Walker or jd Vance in his foundation.

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Speaker 1: It never never pinted anybody. It's just doctor Dodds, the

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Speaker 1: mean herschel Walker. He's got the one abortion. Supposedly there's

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Speaker 1: he said, but even just the way he handled that

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Speaker 1: So gang it says, because he sct in mental illness,

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Speaker 1: that means him that make him those consequential United States

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Speaker 1: So you have a guy on a ledge of building

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Speaker 1: he said, you don't want to jump off that ledge.

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Speaker 1: It's not a smart move. And the guy says, look,

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Speaker 1: I know I can fly. I see faces that you

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Speaker 1: have any life? It off this ledge. No, you don't.

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Speaker 1: You do have a life. We're gonna make you a

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Speaker 1: he has severe mental illness, and he's had you know,

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Speaker 1: make a great SEVENCE. No, he needs medication, he needs

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Speaker 1: community support. I think I think on the Obamacare Medicare,

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Speaker 1: you can actually get reimbursed for mental health. He needs

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Speaker 1: to stand up to the pricing power of big pharma,

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Speaker 1: just as an example of insulin from like three hundred

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Speaker 1: for folks on Medicare. But you know, young people are

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Speaker 1: going to be out of reach for their employers, for

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Speaker 1: them if they have to get their own policy. So

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Speaker 1: we have got to keep up the pressure. And we

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Speaker 1: had a big victory this year with price negotiation, so

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Speaker 1: I want to keep that up and work with Bernie

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Speaker 1: and others. The insulin this is like one of the

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Speaker 1: two things Chuck Shumer told me that he was going

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Speaker 1: um also the codifying same sex marriage. Oberfeld, are you surprised,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been in Congress a long time, so

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Speaker 1: you existed pre Trump in the world where Republicans. You're

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Speaker 1: from the North, where Susan Collins comes from. Are you

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Speaker 1: surprised that these Republicans are just terrified to support nonpartisan

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Speaker 1: lot of these things, when you really break them down,

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Speaker 1: they're good for the people that live in a red

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Speaker 1: you voted for Trump, you voted for Biden. If you're

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Speaker 1: dependent on insulin, is so many millions of Americans are,

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Speaker 1: and you're getting ripped off. You know, insulin cost about

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Speaker 1: ken bucks to manufacture, and many of these farmer companies

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Speaker 1: rip off. And uh, it just is upsetting to me

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Speaker 1: that we can't come together as members of Congress and

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Speaker 1: realize that, hey, if we do something that makes insulin

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Speaker 1: affordable for the people we represent, that's a good thing

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Speaker 1: and we don't have to be arguing about a lot

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Speaker 1: of other things. Let's get that done for the people

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Speaker 1: that are really suffering under these rip off prices. So

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Speaker 1: and take another example of infrastructure. You know, we get

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of folks that benefit by that throughout America,

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Speaker 1: in red states and in blue states. There's such a

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Speaker 1: I mean that's the disconnect there. And I do think though,

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Speaker 1: a manifestation of that. But look at how social media

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Speaker 1: get ampfied with social media, the facts don't matter. It's

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Speaker 1: just you're on one side or you're on the other.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's why I do think that an

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Speaker 1: approach where you're reaching out on practical common ground. You know,

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Speaker 1: there was a facility in upstate New Yark. It was

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Speaker 1: out of business. How do I fix this? Well, you

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Speaker 1: know who else has got a lot of cheese? Paul

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Speaker 1: totally disagreeentious about everything, but we're cordial. And I said, Paul,

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Speaker 1: for them. So we got together and contacted the FDA

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Speaker 1: We're able to get that regulation that would have been

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Speaker 1: devastating to cheesemakers in Wisconsin and cheesemakers and Vermont. We

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Speaker 1: reasonable rules so cheesemakers could thrive. But that's a kind

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Speaker 1: like you have to take a pledge of allegiance if

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Speaker 1: you're a Republican candidate now that you agree that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's selection was stolen. I mean, if that's the starting point,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna make any progress on that. And it

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Speaker 1: really gets in the way of us using the political

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Speaker 1: system as it's supposed to be used, and that's to

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Speaker 1: help us as a society with lots of conflicts. You know,

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Speaker 1: how do we solve climate change, big debate, how do

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Speaker 1: we get affordable healthcare? Big debate, how do we get

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Speaker 1: by the way, on top of that, you've got a

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Speaker 1: with that extreme conservative majority, that is starting to go

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Speaker 1: after fundamental rights that people have enjoyed in this country.

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Speaker 1: And of course the Job's decision is most significant where

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Speaker 1: United States Supreme Court has taken a right away as

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Speaker 1: opposed to expanded access to a right for Americans. So

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Speaker 1: we've got to really deal with that and restore Jesse

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Speaker 1: and I were actually talking about this. One of the

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Speaker 1: things that because you're a very rural state, you guys

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Speaker 1: are have a pretty loose I don't want to say loose.

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Speaker 1: A lot of gun rights owners who are very pro

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Speaker 1: You're right, we've been very fortunate and ver Mint, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have not had gun violence. That's starting to change, okay,

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Speaker 1: But we had a rural tradition where owning guns and

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Speaker 1: It was about families going to deer camp and teaching

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Speaker 1: their kids safe use of firearms and being out in

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Speaker 1: the woods and being in nature. And we fortunately again

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Speaker 1: gun violence. That's starting to change. And of course the

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Speaker 1: like locally in Vermont where they taught gun safety, you know,

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Speaker 1: the n r A under Winning Lapierre UH is all

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Speaker 1: it's starting to change. And in fact, we went from

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Speaker 1: all to passing laws that are requiring a background check

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Speaker 1: UH in our Republican governor who had a a rating

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Speaker 1: from the n r A among others, supported that gun legislation,

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Speaker 1: and that happened. You know, right after park Land, we

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Speaker 1: threat by a former student to take a rifle assault

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Speaker 1: body count. Yeah, and that was really shocking. It was

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Speaker 1: stopped because the police found out about it. They went

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Speaker 1: to his house. W was out target shooting, but it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a near incident of catastrophic consequences and it

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Speaker 1: passing some kind of safety laws. Yeah, so interesting. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Peter Wolch, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. It's really nice to be with you. And

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Speaker 1: keep up your good work. Dad Roberts, writes the newsletter

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Speaker 1: and host the podcast Volts. Welcome to Fast Politics. Fancy

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Speaker 1: your podcast. Congratulations, Thank you very much, very excited to

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Speaker 1: have you here. The first of many segments. I hope

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Speaker 1: with you because you are so needed in this brave

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Speaker 1: new world. First, I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: it does seem like the Biden administration is way more

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Speaker 1: interested in climate than any administration we've ever had, for

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Speaker 1: whatever that's worth. Yeah, I think the right way to

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Speaker 1: say that is that the activist and advocate effort to

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is coming from Biden's part particularly.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just he's legendarily reads the room and

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Speaker 1: I think that's really an important I mean, we're taping

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Speaker 1: of people who were in jail from marijuana crimes. Which

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Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine that someone who's seventy nine has

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Speaker 1: decided that's like the where it's at. But clearly, I

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Speaker 1: think one of the really good things about Biden is

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's just pause and note that the

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Speaker 1: world is choka block with old white men who refused

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Speaker 1: hear young people saying so, I mean, honest to God,

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Speaker 1: to find an old white guy who's like, who's willing

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Speaker 1: to listen and change and go with the you know,

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Speaker 1: go with the currents. That's a remarkable thing. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's amazing and he should be given a

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Speaker 1: lot of credib for that. I want to start by

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Speaker 1: questions I have. So the first is the thinking here

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Speaker 1: is this is definitive proof that climate change. I mean,

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Speaker 1: say to that? I mean, no, no single hurricane is

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Speaker 1: ten years ago, there's a big a lot of arguments

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Speaker 1: could say this event was caused by or made more

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Speaker 1: likely by climate change. Since then, the science of attribution,

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Speaker 1: as it's called, has advanced a lot, and now yes,

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Speaker 1: scientists are quite confident saying, you know, this climate change

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Speaker 1: at this point I think we should sort of move

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Speaker 1: past this, like, is this storm climate change? Is that

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Speaker 1: storm climate change? Like it's all, it's all climate change,

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Speaker 1: It's all it is the new climate you know, like

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Speaker 1: get used to it. Like whether whether a particular one

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Speaker 1: is is mechanically traceable to particular climate changes, I think

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Speaker 1: is largely academic at this point, right, right, But it

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Speaker 1: does seem like this is the worst one in how

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Speaker 1: many years? I mean, just talk to us about this

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Speaker 1: sort of math of it. Well, they're getting more severe

643
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: because of warming. You know, hurricanes gain strength when they

644
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: when they pass over warm waters, and a warming atmosphere

645
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: means more warm waters, so we get more intense storms,

646
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: so you know, and like in Florida in particular, I mean,

647
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: it has bad storms already, It has flooding problems already,

648
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: it has sea level rise problems already, all of that

649
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: even before you think about, uh, climate change. So you know,

650
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: like you could say this should be the storm that

651
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: should wake Florida up, but you really, they should have

652
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: been awake a long time ago. And they keep alleging

653
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: Republicans so obviously they're not. Climate change is not high

654
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: on their mind. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's not

655
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: a not a priority. And there used to be this

656
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: sort of sentiment that enough bad enough disasters would change

657
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: people's minds, right, Like, disasters got bad enough, people would

658
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: wake up to climate change. But I think one thing

659
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: we've we've learned in the past, however many years, is

660
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: that when people are embedded in a worldview, events don't

661
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: don't don't change them. They just integrate that into the

662
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: world view. So so you know, there's no there's been

663
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: quite a few studies of this at this point, there's

664
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: no real evidence that storms change the broad polities views

665
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: on climate change. Yeah, so it's sort of a fun

666
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: nothing matters, and we're all going to die. Where are

667
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: you and I get together and we get depressed, let's

668
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: not get to press. We're gonna be happy while we die,

669
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: don't we feel like this interesting thing of that, how

670
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: the zoomers are shaming the celebrities with their jets as

671
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: one of the more interesting trajectories though, of that, the

672
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: thing of a single zoomer shaming a single celebrity is

673
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: such crack rock to sort of celebrity journalism that that

674
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm weary about just this this one or two things

675
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: getting way over hyped. Like if you're if you're a

676
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: celebrity and you have private jets, are you really losing

677
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: a lot of sleep thinking about that? Like, I don't know,

678
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: I would argue that I think Taylor Swift is running

679
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: scared from it. I mean, but it's also it was

680
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: never a thing that even existed three years ago. I mean,

681
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: it's like a new destructive trend. I'm not sure. I

682
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: mean I feel like the math on it won't you know,

683
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: it's at best a slide show. The voluntary non private

684
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: flying by concerned celebrities. It's such a silly I mean,

685
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing the media loves. But

686
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: like in terms of greenhouse gases, what I would like

687
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: to see is some celebrities come out and be pro trained.

688
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: Let's get some Let's get a train network, train network,

689
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: be positive. I'd love to talk to you about trains,

690
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: because that wasn't early you know, Biden love trains. I mean,

691
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: I don't know where we are with that rather. Yeah,

692
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: so I mean there definitely are some you know, and

693
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: the idea of a high speed train. We have to wonder,

694
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: like how much of that has been derailed by these

695
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: sort of like Elon mush is going to build a

696
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: hyper loop, which is like a tunnel. I mean, there's

697
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: certainly has been like a fair amount of like monorail

698
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: guy happening with our train planning. Yeah. One of the

699
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: weird twists are darkest timeline has taken lately, is all

700
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, all these tech bros coming out against

701
00:39:53,560 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: public transit in favor of these ludicrous goofball schemes like um,

702
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: like the tunnel or the little flying the little flying cards,

703
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: a little quad cots or whatever. That's another dystopia that's

704
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: headed our way rapidly. Yeah. I did really did not

705
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: see that coming. It's just one more disappointment from the

706
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: tech bro sector after a long series. Yeah. You know,

707
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because you know, I'm married to a

708
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: venture capitalist and he's always like, you know, we're going

709
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: to figure and he's a good one. I mean he

710
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: works in education. It's different, but he still is like

711
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: commerce can fix this and that. And I'm like, honey,

712
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I was scared enough about getting

713
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: hit by a car. Now there's like the added anxiety

714
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: of getting hit by a plane. This is what I

715
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: don't get about that about that mentality is sort of

716
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: like man will overcome, the market will figure this out. All.

717
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: One thing we've learned about clean energy, and specifically about

718
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: greenhouse gasses, is that it's really all about infrastructure. Infrastructure

719
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: shapes what markets exist in, what markets can exist, They

720
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: shape what options you have, and and infrastructure is not

721
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: something that private markets build. So I mean the involvement

722
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: of public policy. And this is so clear to everyone

723
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: who has thought about it for more than five minutes.

724
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: It's very frustrating to sort of stumble upon this sort

725
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: of old like, oh, you know, clever people will figure

726
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: that out. It's true, clever people are figuring out a

727
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: lot of cool things, like they're they're hard at work.

728
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: Market is doing great things, but ultimately it comes back

729
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: to infrastructure and public policy that shapes all the possibilities

730
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: of what markets can and can do. Government is providing

731
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: subsidies for a whole lot of shitty crap like coal. Indeed,

732
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: and if you want to be positive, you don't want

733
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: us to be to get each other depressed. We could

734
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: talk about just the sort of extraordinary renaissance of federal

735
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: climate policy that we're living through right now, which is

736
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: going to invest billions, hundreds of billions of dollars in

737
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: the right things. Finally, there's plenty of reasons for for positivity.

738
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: Talk to me about California. I'm so curious. I mean,

739
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: we certainly are seeing a lot of a lot of states,

740
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: or at least California and Texas, which are both having

741
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: problems with their grids for different reasons. It's complicated, there's

742
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: lots of different problems you can have. I mean, California

743
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: is having a problem that lots of grids have a

744
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: similar problem ironically to Puerto Rico's grid, which is a

745
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: lot of very long distance power lines that were put

746
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: in a long long time ago and have not been

747
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: well maintained or monitored. Because this is just a slightly

748
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: geeky side note, the structure of utilities is they make

749
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: a return when they invest in new stuff, new infrastructure,

750
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: new build. They do not get a rate of return

751
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: on money they spend on maintenance. So that's just like

752
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: it's inevitable that that sits down through the corporate culture

753
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: and at every level people are going to favor the

754
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: new thing over maintenance. And so you get what you

755
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: have in California, which is just hundreds of thousands of

756
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: miles of lines that have not been they were built

757
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: in like the twenties or the forties or the fifties

758
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: and are literally like their metal parts have begun to

759
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: like where through and they're just falling apart. And every

760
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: time what that happens, there's a fire. So that's a

761
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: problem in California. Texas has its own problem in that

762
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: it refuses to hook itself up to the larger national grid,

763
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: so it's stranded. It's basically an island. It might it

764
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: operates as though it were a large island, which is fine.

765
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: It's from big island. It's got a lot of power.

766
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: But like if there's a crunch on natural gas, if

767
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: natural gas supplies you know, get super expensive like they

768
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: have recently, or if or if supplies freeze up in

769
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: a in a cold snap like they did a few

770
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: years ago, you can't bring in power from outside your states.

771
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: So you're just kind of stuck. And of course, if

772
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: you're in Texas, which is extremely rid politically, you can't

773
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: tell Texans the truth about what's opening. You can't ask

774
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: them to conserve because God knows, that's Marxism, you know,

775
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't tell them we need to hook

776
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: up to the outside grid because that's mark Marxism. You

777
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: can't say, you know, we need distributed rooftop solar in

778
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: batteries so you can have more resilience and and last

779
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: through these blackouts at least in a healthier way, because

780
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: that is also Marxism. So they're trapped in a cage

781
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: of their own making. Yeah, I mean, they want this

782
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: sort of independence that they don't have. Right. There is

783
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: no coherent positive argument for independence for your electricity grid.

784
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: It make it just makes no sense, like cooking. The

785
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: larger an area a grid covers, the more reliable it is,

786
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: the cheaper the power is, the cleaner the power is.

787
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: There's just the only reason they do it is to

788
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: avoid federal jurisdiction. Is to avoid for having jurisdiction over

789
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: over their lines, which is just pure cussid idiot stubbornness

790
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: that is doing nothing but hurting them. We're seeing as

791
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: we get these extreme temperatures, and we won't see it

792
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: now until the winter. But my dad lives in Palm Springs,

793
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: so we know a lot about this. That the grids

794
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: can't actually handle the demand. Well, there's a lot of

795
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: different pieces going there. I mean, the grid can handle

796
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: the demand if demand is properly managed, and if the

797
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: grid itself is properly managed. A dilapidated, falling apart, poorly

798
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: understood poorly maintained grid can't handle demand. But there's no

799
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: there's no technological limitation here. This is all just bad

800
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: practice and bad institutions and bad economic incentives here. There's

801
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: no technological reason we couldn't have robust, healthy, clean grids.

802
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: They have them in other places. It's interesting. So Connecticut

803
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: as this new saying, which I'm sure Republicans will call CRT,

804
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: but it's where they're teaching climate change in schools. I mean,

805
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that. It's just one of

806
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: these things that, like this debate only is even coherent

807
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: in the context of American politics, like anywhere else, Like

808
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: the most important change, what's happening, the most important thing

809
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: happening in the world. Should we tell kids about it? Yes,

810
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: we should tell kids about the most important thing happening

811
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: in the world, like climate change, and the fight against

812
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: climate change is going to shape these children's entire lives

813
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: and their children's lives, Like should we tell them about it?

814
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: It's just so, I mean, the idea that telling that

815
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: instructing children about what's happening in the natural world in

816
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: the course of teaching them science and you know, sociology

817
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 1: and all the rest of it is somehow left wing

818
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: is just like that's just to accept dumb terms of

819
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: the debate, like our I used to accept that that premise, Like,

820
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: if you're a reactionary and you want to maintain the

821
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: cultural and political power of a narrow white Christian patriarchal

822
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: culture that is rooted in fossil fuels and suburbs and highways, Uh,

823
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: then yes, you need to You need to keep your

824
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: followers ignorant because once they learn what's happening, they'll learn

825
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: that that's unsustainable. But that's not a left versus right thing.

826
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: That's just a reality versus you know, cocoon thing. This

827
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: is not even a this is not a political argument.

828
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: It's just it's just America's reactionary tribes shrinking in and

829
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: covering themselves with a blanket and trying to cover everyone

830
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 1: else too. It's the same on race, it's the same

831
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: on history. It's the same on climate. It's the same

832
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: argument over and over again. Is there anything really interesting

833
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: that you're seeing that we should be talking about that's

834
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: sort of fascinating. A couple of days ago, I thought

835
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: this was a big news story that deserves more more hype.

836
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: The inflation Reduction Act got lots of hype and got

837
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: lots of cover which one it came out, but I

838
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: still don't think it got enough. I don't think people

839
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: appreciate it well enough. A report from Credit Swiss, the

840
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: big mega bank finance whatever their research arm, put out

841
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: a report a few days ago that said, the Inflation

842
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: Reduction Act is a much bigger deal than even Democrats

843
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: are saying. Like these tax credits, for instance, the tax

844
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: credits that that the bill offers, you know, for a

845
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: whole wide array of of clean technologies are uncapped, which

846
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: means the estimate that the bill is three eighty seven

847
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: I think was the final number. If you get the

848
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: exact number seven billion dollars of spinning, that's just an

849
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: estimate by the CBO of how many companies are going

850
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: to take advantage of these credits. And what Credit Swiss

851
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: is saying is no, these markets are growing much faster

852
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: than that. Many more people are going to take advantage

853
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Speaker 1: of these credits than than the CBO has acknowledged. And

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Speaker 1: actually the total ending of the bill is likely to

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Speaker 1: be something more like eight hundred billion dollars more than twice.

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Speaker 1: This sort of headline, this sort of headline number, and

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Speaker 1: that's just the tax credits, And that's not even figuring

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Speaker 1: in the Green Bank, which is going to deploy a

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Speaker 1: bunch of money and and and invigorate a bunch of

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Speaker 1: private capital, the Loan Program Office, the Jigger Shahs running,

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Speaker 1: which is back up and running now and and kick

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Speaker 1: starting all kinds of businesses. The parts about the federal

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Speaker 1: government being required to buy clean and the federal government

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Speaker 1: being required to zero out the carbon footprint of all

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Speaker 1: its buildings by like, that's an enormous amount of capital

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Speaker 1: that's going to have to be it mustard to do that.

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Speaker 1: So I just think politics has become such a ridiculous circus.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of like that just wandered past, and everybody's

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Speaker 1: onto new things. But we really should like stop and

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Speaker 1: take note. It was a fundamental and enormous shift in

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Speaker 1: climate policy that has happened, and we're going to live

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Speaker 1: through a decade now of really rapid change and investment

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Speaker 1: in the US. Like already there's all these announcements of

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Speaker 1: all these companies that want to build factories in the

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Speaker 1: US now because of you know, the bike clean and

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Speaker 1: the domestic manufacturing requirements. They're building auto factories, battery factories.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be an enormous reindustrialization of the US in

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Speaker 1: the coming decade. It's just a really big deal, a

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Speaker 1: really big victory for the left that it needs to. Like,

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Speaker 1: I just wish it would spike the ball more. Yes,

881
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Speaker 1: the left is very good at not spiking the ball.

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Speaker 1: They hate being happy, Like it's one of the most

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Speaker 1: insane things I've ever been through online, Like this thing

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Speaker 1: passes and I go out on nine and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: holy shit, guys, look this amazingly good thing happened. And

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Speaker 1: I got so much pushback. I felt like people on

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Speaker 1: the left were groping, looking, searching for some reason not

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Speaker 1: to be happy about it, And I'm like, why, why

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00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: are you looking for a reason. There's so many real

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00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: obvious reasons not to be happy, trying to make some up,

891
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: Like well, I asked, so think people there's some anxiety

892
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Speaker 1: about the Supreme Court for any number of reasons. I mean,

893
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: that can tamp any good news down. Really, this was

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Speaker 1: so interesting and I'm so I was thrilled to have you.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back. And also trains trains, yea,

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Speaker 1: yea for trains trains, Yeah, listen. I love trains, and

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Speaker 1: there was a fast train. Can you imagine if they

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Speaker 1: were like a train, I would take a ten hour

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Speaker 1: train to Ally. Well, we don't even need a ten

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Speaker 1: hour train to l A like we could. You know,

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00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: you could build them a lot faster than that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's I just watched the video online about Switzerland the

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Speaker 1: trains in Switzerland, and basically Switzerland has experienced sprawl, right.

904
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Speaker 1: They have all these tiny little suburb like villages throughout

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Speaker 1: the country, but instead of connecting it all by highways,

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Speaker 1: they decided to connect it all by trains. So, no

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Speaker 1: matter how tiny or little village, if you have a

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Speaker 1: thousand people out in the middle of nowhere Switzerland, you

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Speaker 1: have reliable, every thirty minute train service to all the

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Speaker 1: reds of Switzerland at a nice train station every just

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Speaker 1: so just imagine every US suburb having regular rapid train service,

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Speaker 1: two major metro areas nearby. Bomb shelter for every Swiss man,

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Speaker 1: woman and child, but not but not for you and

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Speaker 1: not us. Thank you so much, it was great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Congrats on the new pod No Molly John

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Speaker 1: Fast Jesse Cannon. I saw that the gop House judiciary

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Speaker 1: did a really dumb tweet. The GOP judiciary is just

918
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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan's own twitter is what I've heard. Again, it

919
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Speaker 1: would be impossible to know for sure because no one

920
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Speaker 1: will ever give you a straight answer. But the tweet

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Speaker 1: is at six oh five pm on October six, Kanye

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Speaker 1: period elon period Trump period and I am sure that

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Speaker 1: and Jim had his took his used his pudgy little

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Speaker 1: fingers to tweet this out on his phone. He thought

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Speaker 1: that he was just killing it and that Kanye Ellen

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Speaker 1: and Trump three ps in a pod um. Again, Like

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Speaker 1: the thing I'm so impressed by with this JUPI is

928
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Speaker 1: like Kanye is in the middle of having what seems

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Speaker 1: to be some kind of mental health episode can we

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Speaker 1: call it, and making anti Semitic remarks just mental illness. Well,

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Speaker 1: it started with a speech at one of his fashion shows.

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Speaker 1: It continued with a lot of odd instagrams and tweets,

933
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Speaker 1: and a crescendoed with a tweet that Kanye wrote that said,

934
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Speaker 1: I'm a bit sleepy tonight, but when I wake up,

935
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Speaker 1: It's going to be death Con three. And then there's

936
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Speaker 1: no punctuation because why would there be on Jewish people

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Speaker 1: Jewish and people are capitalized. The funny thing is, I

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Speaker 1: actually can't be anti semita anti semitic. By the way,

939
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Speaker 1: in case you're wondering, anytime you're saying, like I thought,

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Speaker 1: I can't possibly be racist, I can't possibly be anti semitic,

941
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Speaker 1: is never a grade time because black people are also

942
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Speaker 1: to you. Also, all right, you guys have toyed with

943
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Speaker 1: me and tried to black ball anyone who ever opposes

944
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Speaker 1: your agenda. Alright, So that was Kanye's foray into uh

945
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Speaker 1: and let's not forget his best friend to Lan Elon,

946
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Speaker 1: has has been spending his time tweeting his hot takes

947
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Speaker 1: on international diplomacy and whether or not Ukraine should be

948
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Speaker 1: given to Russia. He's back and forth. He's extremely concerned

949
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Speaker 1: about nuclear proliferation recently, which is congratulations, Elon, you've made

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Speaker 1: it to the nineteen sixties. Um. And Donald J. Trump,

951
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: of course needs no introduction. Well. I Trump had a

952
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Speaker 1: really good one though this this weekend at the rally

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Speaker 1: where he said that January six was the biggest crowd

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Speaker 1: he's ever seen, which is right. I almost bragging about

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Speaker 1: the crowd size at his insurrection. But it's a little

956
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Speaker 1: weird because there's two thousand rioters at January six, yet

957
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Speaker 1: he claimed there's a million and a half people at

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Speaker 1: his inauguration, So which is it. I mean, I just

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Speaker 1: think if you're bragging about an event that led to

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Speaker 1: an armed insurrection, perhaps you're picking the wrong horse. And

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Speaker 1: for that all three get a hearty fuck you. That's

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Speaker 1: it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: and Friday to your the best minds in politics makes

964
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Speaker 1: sense of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what you've heard,

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Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going.

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Speaker 1: And again, thanks for listening.