WEBVTT - Chip Hayes 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:09.720 Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith and. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.440 Daphnews Amiga and iHeartRadio Podcast. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:16.520 Well, welcome back to Still the Place. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.919 Today we have our producer Chip has Hereday. 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:23.760 I've been talking about. 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.239 This is such a treat here in the room with 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.360 the first of all you guys. You three looks spectacular. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:31.760 It makes it even more impossible to believe it's been 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.760 thirty two years. I know, because you look great, and 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:36.600 it's it's just so much fun to be in a 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:37.320 room with you guys. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:38.120 I guess, isn't it. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:39.599 We've been having so much fun. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.520 That's the biggest surprise of this is how much fun 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:43.040 we're having. 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.239 I have been addicted to the to the podcast. You 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.279 guys are knocking it out of the park, and I've 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.559 been watching these episodes along with you, and I have 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.040 not seen them since they first aired. Yeah, so it's 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:54.800 like a I mean, what an eye opener? 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.560 Is crazy? What you remember, you, caulse I find I 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:58.640 remember that line. 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.520 Yeah, I remember the set, remember you know the location, scout, 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.520 But then I don't remember shooting that. I don't even 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:06.440 remember ed aging. I don't remember anything about that. So 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:07.920 there are these things that jump out at you that 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.479 your mind is totally erased. And then O the little 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.800 things that you remember about the day that we shot 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:13.440 that or something. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.760 Do you remember one that you were like, oh, I 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.080 can't believe that moment, like something that really struck you. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:20.920 I'm trying to think of the ones, you know, they 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:25.160 came fast and furious. I remember the thing that I 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.000 remember looking at and I'd totally forgotten about, was that 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:34.000 we experimented with putting a sky above the I sat 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:35.720 there and went, you know, that doesn't look too bad. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.480 Why didn't we keep that up? I don't know. Do 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.400 we lose it? Did? I don't think so? 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:40.920 Are we going to lose it because we've seen it? 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:41.760 Like in three? 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.679 I remember, I remember the rain, and I think it 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:50.080 was the last time we did the rain because remember 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.880 the director was really wanted the rain for that scene. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.200 You know, for that scene that makes sense you had 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.680 to put in the cloudy skies above the you know, 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.160 the set that was on stage and had nothing it's 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:04.000 scaffolding up above them. Yeah, and I looked pretty good 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:05.440 for the day when there was no such thing as 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.240 blue screen and yeah, and effects that you can do 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:12.320 like that now. For some reason, said, I don't remember 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:12.960 seeing it again. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.400 Chip came, we ran into each other and he brought 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.320 in so much stuff from his storage. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.239 He has so many memories and stories. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.600 And the cool thing about Chip is that he was 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.840 with us on set every day, you know, for the listeners, 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.560 like he was like Darren started the show, but he 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.480 was with the writers. Warn Spelling executive produced. Obviously he 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.120 was in LA with the writers, but we were way 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.919 out in Santa Clarita and you were in the trenches. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.440 With us every day. On purpose. You put it out 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:40.960 there on purpose. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.760 So I chose Santa Clorida Studios on purpose to get 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.480 us out of lay from LA because it's tough enough 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.040 as it is doing what we were doing without having 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.160 the network popping in and going hi. You know, we 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:53.000 were just down the block. 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.400 So we just want to say, why do you say 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:56.960 tough shooting what we were shooting. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.320 It's a new series, and anytime you go into a 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.480 new series, you're going to have difficult days, you know, 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.280 where you're feeling your way. People didn't know each other, 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.880 you know. I mean how easy it was in season 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.520 two compared to season one as far as going in 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.200 there knowing the crew knowing the rest of the cast, 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:18.799 being more comfortable and starting a series. And I'd done 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.560 a number of them because most series go for six 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.360 or thirteen and goodbye. And I knew that it was 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:27.280 not going to be you know, milk and cookies and 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.400 let's but by the way, let's have all of corporate 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.200 and network come by and visit every day and watch you, 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:33.160 you know, do what you do. 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.760 Right, speaking of the beginning, So we were talking in 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:38.800 the ratings, and I remember, and I'm sure you remember 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.640 Andrew shoe Like being very paying attention to the knowing 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:43.200 all the numbers, checking all the trades. 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.320 He would come up to buy office every day and 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.600 ask Lisa, where are they? Where are they they come? 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:55.120 And I kept saying, Andrew, calm down, Wow, we love her, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.400 God's gift everything. She was amazing and so twitted out 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.880 about radio. Say Andrew, calm down, we're cool. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.680 But when we were starting, one of the fans sent us, 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.680 like the ratings, I thought we weren't that great, but 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.480 we were ninety two of ninety five. 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.520 Well, you don't listen, you don't. First of all, we 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.760 never looked at the rankings. You looked at the. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:15.520 Number, number, how many okay. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.400 Fox. Fox was a brand new network and it only 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.320 started about four or five years before that, and they 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.040 didn't have nearly the affiliates the number of stations around 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:28.320 the country showing the show as CBS, ABC and NBC, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:34.440 And so that was fallacious to look at that and say, oh, 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.279 we're doing awful. Look at how low rank we are. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.960 You just looked at what Fox had done and you 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.440 compared it to what Fox. The other shows on Fox 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.040 was and they only had one hour that was successful, 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.440 and it was not successful in its first year, and 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.840 that was Beverly Hill's nine of two and zero and 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.880 they had married with children was doing well, and the 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.520 Tracy Almonds Show, which spun off into The Simpsons, and 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.159 that was it at that point. But they were half 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.000 hours our dramas nine O two and O is it 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.200 And if you go back and look at nine O 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.760 two and oh it was it had worse waitings, I 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.279 think than we did. And it wasn't until they started 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:14.440 airing them in the second season in July where they 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.840 caught that audience, that summertime audience that they started to climb. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:22.240 So I had been on enough spelling shows where I 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.560 was able to say Hey, it's gonna be okay. Just 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.279 what you know, we'll fix any problems. We'll get him there. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.200 And Andrew, Andrew, no one, we're gonna get canceled first 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.240 of all. And I'm trying to remember this. I was 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:35.719 trying to remember this when I was listening to you 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.400 guys on the podcast a couple of weeks ago. I 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.719 think we were picked up for a full twenty two 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.039 episodes from the get go. 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.880 Well, we as a cast were picked up for thirteen r. 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:46.920 We had a thirteen contract. 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.280 But that was more because if a character or a 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.400 performer wasn't working out, we could we could get rid 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:53.440 of them at the end of thirteen. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.800 And so you knew, even though we weren't doing well 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.560 at thirteen, you knew we were going to do twenty. 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:00.520 Sarin will correct me if you talk up again, but 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.160 I'm pretty sure we were picked up for a full 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:06.640 season because Aaron and the other thing. I remember talking 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.680 to Aaron about it when the ratings were slipping, and 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.280 I said, so you think we're going to go The 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:12.960 worry was not that we were going to get canceled 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.960 mid season one got picked up for a second season, 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.560 and I remember asking Aaron I said, so you think 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.760 we're gonna be okay, Aaron, and he said, ah, we're 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.760 making some tweaks. We're making some tweaks, we're making some changes. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.520 It'll be fine, and we're going to find our Alexis. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.600 I said, okay, that's what he's doing. And I realized 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.960 at that point, Aaron's gone through this before, He's done 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:40.280 this before Dynasty, and the parallels with Dynasty with our show. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.520 I was just thinking on the way over here, the 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.040 parallels with Dynasty is fascinating because Dynasty was made as 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.960 an ABC pilot and the pilot sold. But the pilot, 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.880 which was originally called Oil there's a great name, very 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:54.400 good name. 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.320 Change tried Vinegar but it just eld. 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:03.279 The original pilot of Dynasty had George Prepard playing Blake 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:09.120 Carrington and the Aaron said, I remember going on the 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.280 set of the pilot. It was over at the Fox Studios, 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.000 and because I knew a lot of the crew, and 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.280 it was it was like one of those sets where 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.920 you open the door and the tension hits you like 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.240 a miasthma. It was like everybody's upset everything, you know. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:23.480 I don't want to speak ill of the dead, but 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.640 George Prepard was a monster. It was just horrible and 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:30.160 made Lynda Evans cry every day. And so when Aaron 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.600 got a pick up, he says, I'll take the pickup, 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.960 but we're recasting the lead. And they brought in John Forsyth, 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.720 who was like one of the most lovely men I've 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.080 ever worked with. He and Ricardo Monelbon are on my 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.680 you know, the Furman is the greatest people I've worked 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:51.440 with men. So so just like we had to. And 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.320 when we recast Billy, it wasn't because he was he 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.680 was a sweetheart. He just didn't embody the character the 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:01.200 way that the writers had visioned him. And so we 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:05.280 recast our lead. And then I knew that Aaron was 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.800 sitting there making the tweaks with Darren. The two of 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:09.960 them got together and said, this is what we want 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:11.080 to do here, this is what we want to do, 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:15.040 and then we have to cast a Joan Collins because 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.680 that's what saved Dynasty. Dynasty was in the toilet for 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:23.080 the first year, the beginning of the second season, and 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.520 that's what it took off when he brought in, when 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:29.000 he brought in the villainous and so Aaron had done 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.480 this already knew, he knew what to do. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.800 And these conversations were happening as you'd already begun the show, right, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:36.400 I mean, we started the. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.319 Show premiered very well behind Beverly Hills because the crossover 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.120 with nine O two one oh. But as it went on, 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.240 you know, and looking back on it, I was expecting saying, 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.680 oh God, Okay, we look in those first few episodes, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.679 I bet they're awful because we had to make changes. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.240 They weren't better all they were well written Darren. You know, 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.080 Darren wrote a great pilot, created some great characters, but 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:00.960 you didn't have anything that was hooking you, that was 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:06.240 bringing you back. We yeah, these little angst written polemics 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.600 of what twenty somethings are going through, and it didn't 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:13.120 really suck people in. And one of the things I 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.240 think that helped us a whole bunch and helped Darren too, 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.040 because Darren, this was the first I think this was 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.240 the first show Darren ran on his own as a showrunner. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.319 He had created nine of two one zero and written 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.000 the pilot, but I think there were other head writers there. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.520 He can correct me on that. But what helped I 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.520 think at the time was that Chuck Pratt was on 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:35.760 staff as a co producer at the time and one 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.440 of the main writers. From the get go. Chuck had 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:45.439 already won Emmys for running Santa Barbara Days of all 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:49.000 daytime soap barbers, and Chuck had that, you know, that 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.520 daytime sensibility that he could pull the tropes out of 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:57.240 the thin air. And like, the very first thing that 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.920 I noticed it was a change before they even start 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.960 serializing it, before they started doing Cliffhanchors, which is another 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.839 daytime you know staple, was he brought in the wolf 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.800 in sheep's clothing character, which is another standards daytime self character. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.360 The guy you think is, oh, he's so nice and 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.280 he's going to be so wonderful. It was Billy Moses. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.719 He's going to be so wonderful for Alison, and it's 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.120 interesting he's married and he's cheap, and then he gets 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.160 darker and darker, and it's you know, we had a 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.360 lot of those characters show up on the show, and yeah, 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.600 really it really worked, and uh, oh god, I've got 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.880 a great Chuck brought story for you. This this is 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.160 emblematic of you know, and I went to high school 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.000 with Chuck, so he was he had a warped imagination 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:40.520 from from high school. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:45.520 Did wrote my first first feature. I remember Para the 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:46.640 horror film, and. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.000 Chuck and I worked with them later. I ended up 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:51.960 going and writing All My Children for a few years, 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.440 and he ended up being the head writer on it 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.480 and being in the room with him. He comes up 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.040 out of left field, comes up with ideas. And this 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.120 one time was the big beginning of the second season. 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:03.840 We were in Aaron's office because we went and we 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.920 screened every rough cut with Aaron, and Aaron would give 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.840 us the notes and I may have to reshoot something 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.079 or And we were sitting there and we had already 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:16.920 shot the accident that Michael had with Kimberly that killed Kimberly. Right. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.520 He the whole story was that he had he had 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.800 divorced Jane, and he was with Kimberly and. 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.280 Hapened in season one beginning. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.360 Of season two, but they were planning it in season A. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.240 Lot more happened in season one than I remember, right. 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.040 And he had had an affair with Sydney and cheated 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.439 on Kimberly with Sydney and Kimberly, was I right? And 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.199 then he crawled back to Kimberly with a wedding ring 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.640 and he was drunk and driving and he said marry me, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.960 and she says yes, and it's great, and he's he's 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.920 plastered and he drives off a cliff and we shot 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.880 this this stunt where the car comes rolling down the cliff, 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.120 and unfortunately it was a lot more violent than we 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:59.000 had had planned. It landed on it its roof and 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.319 crushed the roof, and we were out there going, well, nobody's. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:07.920 Living, so get rid of that guy. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.640 The plan was to kill off, you know, Kimberly, and 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.000 then drive Michael's whole storyline through the rest of that 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.200 season and dealing with that out aftermath. And we were 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.440 sitting there screening an episode or two before that with 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.280 Aaron and Marsha Cross had some scene that she just 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.959 as she usually did, just knocked it out of the park, 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.960 and we were all sitting there going, oh, man, she 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.840 is so good. I'm so sorry we're having a loser. 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.280 I mean, we all knew that was the plan. And 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.720 then and Chuck got this evil grin on his face 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.160 and he said, you know, we should wait till the 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.360 end of the season and bring her back from the dead, 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.200 and right, that's the daytime soap mentality he brought to it, 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:52.079 and everybody in the room went yes. And Marsha played 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.920 along beautifully because she said I'm off the show and 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.040 and and even when she came back for that, she said, 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.360 don't put me in the credits on this show. And 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.720 it led to that great shot that Charlie Carrell did 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.800 at the Beach House where you and Michael Sydney and 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.520 Michael are romping in the bedroom and the camera pulls 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.959 back and the waves are crashing in it's night and 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.439 suddenly there's this figure that standing and watching them in 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.560 the camera then arcs around and there's Kimberly and it 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:23.520 was black. When nothing aired, my home phone rang. 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:26.760 That was the end of two No. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.600 That wasn't the end of two No. That was that 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.800 was like two or three episodes before the end of. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.839 Seasons okay, because then. 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:38.160 We had the great shot that Nancy Malone shot of 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.559 of Kimberly going into the into the bathroom to get 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.800 a paint pill and she pulls the wigs the famous 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:48.640 we were screening that. We sat down and Aaron looked 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:53.440 at me and said, I sure hope this works. It 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.079 was It was just child that was I mean, it 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.160 was a writer's room, so I mean they would sit there. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.520 I'm sure Darren had. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.439 Some Did he just jump on board the whole soap 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.520 mentality when he had to let go of the whole realistic. 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.440 I think he, I mean, he could really got into 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.400 another Here's a Darren story for you. They came. They 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.120 came in season three, and I know you want to 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:22.840 talk about double ups and you just go, this is 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.040 a great Darren story about midway through season three, they 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.480 were planning out what was going to end season three, 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.880 and man, we've got Kimberly talking to some guy in 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:38.200 the back stat of the car going some imaginary friend, right, psycho, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.920 And Darren calls me up and there had been a 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.880 in real life, there had been a assessment plane somebody 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.400 had taken and landed on the White House lawn and 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.000 you know, it was a major security breach of Clinton's 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.400 White House and it was in the news. And about 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.600 two days later, Darren calls me and he says, sure, Okay, 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.200 we're talking about the end of the season and I 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.360 want I want Kimberly to to steal an airplane and 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:12.320 fly it into Melrose Place. Just come yea, So it 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:17.840 wasn't It was like, oh, okay, I that's interesting. I 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.000 always learned as as a line producer, never tell the 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.520 head writer or the show writer, no, you can't do it, 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.160 we can't afford it. Goodbye. So I told it. I 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:27.680 told her. I said, okay, well, well let me let 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.400 me look at it, let me touge it out. Let 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.920 me see what it costs to fly an airplane into 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:33.560 a building because there was no scene. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:34.480 God. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.360 So I got called him back after I'd run the numbers, 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.560 and I said, well, we can't exactly afford an airplane, 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.080 but we can blow the thing up. We can blow 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:44.640 the building up. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.120 So was it picking up? 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.280 Because we're watching the beginning starting to get busy. We 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.200 just had the Billy Moses storyline. It's starting to get 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.920 more and more exciting. And we did thirty three episodes 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:54.600 the first season. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.760 We did thirty two and a half a half. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.280 It was right, So we did an entire twelve months. 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.240 I remember you might remember this. So we were at 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.400 Lake Hastaic because we couldn't afford real skiing, so we 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.480 were water skiing in January, some freezingle thing at Lakestaic 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.120 with me and Heather and Andrew. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.040 We did some and we got picked up again. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.520 And Lona, our makeup artis and I could not stop 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.280 crying because we were like, we got picked up. We 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.880 just both started crying up and then we were so 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:25.400 tired and you're like it's good news. 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:30.080 You're like, okay, it was a year. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.600 Solid started in May and we ended in March. I 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.880 mean we had eleven months. Yeah, it was less. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.160 So was it because we were gaining steam and we 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.240 didn't want to lose That is that why they kept 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.400 making up for episodes. 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:48.280 That Fox Fox started trying to rerun it, and the 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.360 reruns tanked. So we were climbing in the ratings steadily 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.720 through the end of season one, and then you know, 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.000 as they want to do, they want to push stuff 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.280 to February and May sweep, November, February, May sweeps, and 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.880 so they tried re running some episodes from earlier in 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.680 the season, and it just nobody wanted to watch because 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.480 they had already gotten hooked on that week to week 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.720 what's coming next? And when they tuned in and said, 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:12.960 this isn't a pick up from last weekend, you know, 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:19.400 where's where's uh? Alison and Keith they didn't want to 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.480 get interrupted, they didn't want their flow to be in. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.720 It's why Daytime doesn't rerun. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.840 Well because Brainchild was the double ups? And had you 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.960 done double ups on other shows? Was that spelling thing? 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:36.360 Who you're looking at him? 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:47.520 I liked you for all of us. I mean, yeah, 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:48.760 I didn't know that when. 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:52.159 We got to pick up, Uh, Aaron called me with 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.680 Darren in this in the room and I think Peter 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.600 Chernan made been who was head of Fox, and he's 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.480 good news, we're getting picked up. But Fox leantus you 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.520 know how many episodes original episodes weekend air without a 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.480 break and they and I said, I said, well, how 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:12.080 many do you want? He said, just just work it out, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.639 work out a calendar for me, and we're looking to 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.200 do as many as we did the first season, which 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.280 we did thirty two. And I said, you got a Boston. 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:20.760 I hung up the phone and I went, how the 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.560 hell are we going to do this? We're already in 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:27.239 you know, January or February chick up and we'd have 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.040 to start never go on to hey this and even 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:31.560 then we weren't going to be able to make the 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.200 air days. And I started, you know, I remember a 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.320 big long memo to them with all the possibilities including, well, 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.040 maybe we can get a waiver from the guilds and 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.840 work six days a week. And you were allowed to 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.640 do that if you're on location, you can shoot six 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.520 days a week. So I said, I said, well maybe 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.159 we you know, cut out. At that point, we were 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.680 doing seven day shoots, two days on location, five days 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.480 on stage as well. Maybe we do six day shows 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.280 to try to cram extra pages. 0:18:57.960 --> 0:18:59.440 In the thing about six issues. 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.040 I just want to say, so there's twelve hours between 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:03.800 you leave and when you come back. So it'd start 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.280 on Monday at six am, and it worked at eight pm. 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.760 Then we'd start at eight am, worked till ten pm. 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.240 By the time you were on Friday night, you started 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.880 two in the afternoon and worked till four am Saturday. 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.800 If you only had one day off, that's our turnaround. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.560 But the crew's working that whole time. 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:22.800 But the cruise turn around is at that point was 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:23.760 like eight hours. It was. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.359 It's ridiculous if you do a six day week, so 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.600 you can do it on location for a few months 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.399 or but if you're doing that all year, you don't 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.240 have any day to recover because you go home and 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.600