1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith and. 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: Daphnews Amiga and iHeartRadio Podcast. 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 3: Well, welcome back to Still the Place. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 4: Today we have our producer Chip has Hereday. 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 3: I've been talking about. 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 5: This is such a treat here in the room with 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 5: the first of all you guys. You three looks spectacular. 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 5: It makes it even more impossible to believe it's been 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 5: thirty two years. I know, because you look great, and 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 5: it's it's just so much fun to be in a 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 5: room with you guys. 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 6: I guess, isn't it. 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 7: We've been having so much fun. 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: That's the biggest surprise of this is how much fun 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: we're having. 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 5: I have been addicted to the to the podcast. You 17 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 5: guys are knocking it out of the park, and I've 18 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 5: been watching these episodes along with you, and I have 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 5: not seen them since they first aired. Yeah, so it's 20 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 5: like a I mean, what an eye opener? 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 7: Is crazy? What you remember, you, caulse I find I 22 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 7: remember that line. 23 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember the set, remember you know the location, scout, 24 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 5: But then I don't remember shooting that. I don't even 25 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 5: remember ed aging. I don't remember anything about that. So 26 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 5: there are these things that jump out at you that 27 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 5: your mind is totally erased. And then O the little 28 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 5: things that you remember about the day that we shot 29 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 5: that or something. 30 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: Do you remember one that you were like, oh, I 31 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: can't believe that moment, like something that really struck you. 32 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of the ones, you know, they 33 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 5: came fast and furious. I remember the thing that I 34 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 5: remember looking at and I'd totally forgotten about, was that 35 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 5: we experimented with putting a sky above the I sat 36 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 5: there and went, you know, that doesn't look too bad. 37 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 5: Why didn't we keep that up? I don't know. Do 38 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 5: we lose it? Did? I don't think so? 39 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 6: Are we going to lose it because we've seen it? 40 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 6: Like in three? 41 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 5: I remember, I remember the rain, and I think it 42 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 5: was the last time we did the rain because remember 43 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 5: the director was really wanted the rain for that scene. 44 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 5: You know, for that scene that makes sense you had 45 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 5: to put in the cloudy skies above the you know, 46 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 5: the set that was on stage and had nothing it's 47 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 5: scaffolding up above them. Yeah, and I looked pretty good 48 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 5: for the day when there was no such thing as 49 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 5: blue screen and yeah, and effects that you can do 50 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 5: like that now. For some reason, said, I don't remember 51 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 5: seeing it again. 52 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: Chip came, we ran into each other and he brought 53 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: in so much stuff from his storage. 54 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 6: He has so many memories and stories. 55 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: And the cool thing about Chip is that he was 56 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: with us on set every day, you know, for the listeners, 57 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: like he was like Darren started the show, but he 58 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: was with the writers. Warn Spelling executive produced. Obviously he 59 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: was in LA with the writers, but we were way 60 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: out in Santa Clarita and you were in the trenches. 61 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 6: With us every day. On purpose. You put it out 62 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 6: there on purpose. 63 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 5: So I chose Santa Clorida Studios on purpose to get 64 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 5: us out of lay from LA because it's tough enough 65 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 5: as it is doing what we were doing without having 66 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 5: the network popping in and going hi. You know, we 67 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 5: were just down the block. 68 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: So we just want to say, why do you say 69 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: tough shooting what we were shooting. 70 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 5: It's a new series, and anytime you go into a 71 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 5: new series, you're going to have difficult days, you know, 72 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 5: where you're feeling your way. People didn't know each other, 73 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 5: you know. I mean how easy it was in season 74 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 5: two compared to season one as far as going in 75 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 5: there knowing the crew knowing the rest of the cast, 76 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 5: being more comfortable and starting a series. And I'd done 77 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 5: a number of them because most series go for six 78 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 5: or thirteen and goodbye. And I knew that it was 79 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 5: not going to be you know, milk and cookies and 80 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 5: let's but by the way, let's have all of corporate 81 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 5: and network come by and visit every day and watch you, 82 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 5: you know, do what you do. 83 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: Right, speaking of the beginning, So we were talking in 84 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: the ratings, and I remember, and I'm sure you remember 85 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: Andrew shoe Like being very paying attention to the knowing 86 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: all the numbers, checking all the trades. 87 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 5: He would come up to buy office every day and 88 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 5: ask Lisa, where are they? Where are they they come? 89 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 5: And I kept saying, Andrew, calm down, Wow, we love her, 90 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 5: God's gift everything. She was amazing and so twitted out 91 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 5: about radio. Say Andrew, calm down, we're cool. 92 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: But when we were starting, one of the fans sent us, 93 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: like the ratings, I thought we weren't that great, but 94 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: we were ninety two of ninety five. 95 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 5: Well, you don't listen, you don't. First of all, we 96 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 5: never looked at the rankings. You looked at the. 97 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 7: Number, number, how many okay. 98 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 5: Fox. Fox was a brand new network and it only 99 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 5: started about four or five years before that, and they 100 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 5: didn't have nearly the affiliates the number of stations around 101 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 5: the country showing the show as CBS, ABC and NBC, 102 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 5: And so that was fallacious to look at that and say, oh, 103 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 5: we're doing awful. Look at how low rank we are. 104 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 5: You just looked at what Fox had done and you 105 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 5: compared it to what Fox. The other shows on Fox 106 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 5: was and they only had one hour that was successful, 107 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 5: and it was not successful in its first year, and 108 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 5: that was Beverly Hill's nine of two and zero and 109 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 5: they had married with children was doing well, and the 110 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 5: Tracy Almonds Show, which spun off into The Simpsons, and 111 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 5: that was it at that point. But they were half 112 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 5: hours our dramas nine O two and O is it 113 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 5: And if you go back and look at nine O 114 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 5: two and oh it was it had worse waitings, I 115 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 5: think than we did. And it wasn't until they started 116 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 5: airing them in the second season in July where they 117 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 5: caught that audience, that summertime audience that they started to climb. 118 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 5: So I had been on enough spelling shows where I 119 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 5: was able to say Hey, it's gonna be okay. Just 120 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 5: what you know, we'll fix any problems. We'll get him there. 121 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 5: And Andrew, Andrew, no one, we're gonna get canceled first 122 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 5: of all. And I'm trying to remember this. I was 123 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 5: trying to remember this when I was listening to you 124 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 5: guys on the podcast a couple of weeks ago. I 125 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 5: think we were picked up for a full twenty two 126 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 5: episodes from the get go. 127 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: Well, we as a cast were picked up for thirteen r. 128 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: We had a thirteen contract. 129 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 5: But that was more because if a character or a 130 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 5: performer wasn't working out, we could we could get rid 131 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 5: of them at the end of thirteen. 132 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: And so you knew, even though we weren't doing well 133 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: at thirteen, you knew we were going to do twenty. 134 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 5: Sarin will correct me if you talk up again, but 135 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure we were picked up for a full 136 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 5: season because Aaron and the other thing. I remember talking 137 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 5: to Aaron about it when the ratings were slipping, and 138 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 5: I said, so you think we're going to go The 139 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 5: worry was not that we were going to get canceled 140 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 5: mid season one got picked up for a second season, 141 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 5: and I remember asking Aaron I said, so you think 142 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 5: we're gonna be okay, Aaron, and he said, ah, we're 143 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 5: making some tweaks. We're making some tweaks, we're making some changes. 144 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 5: It'll be fine, and we're going to find our Alexis. 145 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 5: I said, okay, that's what he's doing. And I realized 146 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 5: at that point, Aaron's gone through this before, He's done 147 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 5: this before Dynasty, and the parallels with Dynasty with our show. 148 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 5: I was just thinking on the way over here, the 149 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 5: parallels with Dynasty is fascinating because Dynasty was made as 150 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 5: an ABC pilot and the pilot sold. But the pilot, 151 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 5: which was originally called Oil there's a great name, very 152 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 5: good name. 153 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 7: Change tried Vinegar but it just eld. 154 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 5: The original pilot of Dynasty had George Prepard playing Blake 155 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 5: Carrington and the Aaron said, I remember going on the 156 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 5: set of the pilot. It was over at the Fox Studios, 157 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 5: and because I knew a lot of the crew, and 158 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 5: it was it was like one of those sets where 159 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 5: you open the door and the tension hits you like 160 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 5: a miasthma. It was like everybody's upset everything, you know. 161 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 5: I don't want to speak ill of the dead, but 162 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 5: George Prepard was a monster. It was just horrible and 163 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 5: made Lynda Evans cry every day. And so when Aaron 164 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 5: got a pick up, he says, I'll take the pickup, 165 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 5: but we're recasting the lead. And they brought in John Forsyth, 166 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 5: who was like one of the most lovely men I've 167 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 5: ever worked with. He and Ricardo Monelbon are on my 168 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 5: you know, the Furman is the greatest people I've worked 169 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 5: with men. So so just like we had to. And 170 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 5: when we recast Billy, it wasn't because he was he 171 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 5: was a sweetheart. He just didn't embody the character the 172 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 5: way that the writers had visioned him. And so we 173 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 5: recast our lead. And then I knew that Aaron was 174 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 5: sitting there making the tweaks with Darren. The two of 175 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 5: them got together and said, this is what we want 176 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 5: to do here, this is what we want to do, 177 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 5: and then we have to cast a Joan Collins because 178 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 5: that's what saved Dynasty. Dynasty was in the toilet for 179 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 5: the first year, the beginning of the second season, and 180 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 5: that's what it took off when he brought in, when 181 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 5: he brought in the villainous and so Aaron had done 182 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 5: this already knew, he knew what to do. 183 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 4: And these conversations were happening as you'd already begun the show, right, 184 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 4: I mean, we started the. 185 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 5: Show premiered very well behind Beverly Hills because the crossover 186 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 5: with nine O two one oh. But as it went on, 187 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 5: you know, and looking back on it, I was expecting saying, 188 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 5: oh God, Okay, we look in those first few episodes, 189 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 5: I bet they're awful because we had to make changes. 190 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 5: They weren't better all they were well written Darren. You know, 191 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 5: Darren wrote a great pilot, created some great characters, but 192 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 5: you didn't have anything that was hooking you, that was 193 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: bringing you back. We yeah, these little angst written polemics 194 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 5: of what twenty somethings are going through, and it didn't 195 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 5: really suck people in. And one of the things I 196 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 5: think that helped us a whole bunch and helped Darren too, 197 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 5: because Darren, this was the first I think this was 198 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 5: the first show Darren ran on his own as a showrunner. 199 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 5: He had created nine of two one zero and written 200 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 5: the pilot, but I think there were other head writers there. 201 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 5: He can correct me on that. But what helped I 202 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 5: think at the time was that Chuck Pratt was on 203 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 5: staff as a co producer at the time and one 204 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 5: of the main writers. From the get go. Chuck had 205 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 5: already won Emmys for running Santa Barbara Days of all 206 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 5: daytime soap barbers, and Chuck had that, you know, that 207 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 5: daytime sensibility that he could pull the tropes out of 208 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 5: the thin air. And like, the very first thing that 209 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 5: I noticed it was a change before they even start 210 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 5: serializing it, before they started doing Cliffhanchors, which is another 211 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 5: daytime you know staple, was he brought in the wolf 212 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 5: in sheep's clothing character, which is another standards daytime self character. 213 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 5: The guy you think is, oh, he's so nice and 214 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 5: he's going to be so wonderful. It was Billy Moses. 215 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 5: He's going to be so wonderful for Alison, and it's 216 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 5: interesting he's married and he's cheap, and then he gets 217 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 5: darker and darker, and it's you know, we had a 218 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 5: lot of those characters show up on the show, and yeah, 219 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 5: really it really worked, and uh, oh god, I've got 220 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 5: a great Chuck brought story for you. This this is 221 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 5: emblematic of you know, and I went to high school 222 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 5: with Chuck, so he was he had a warped imagination 223 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 5: from from high school. 224 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 6: Did wrote my first first feature. I remember Para the 225 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 6: horror film, and. 226 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 5: Chuck and I worked with them later. I ended up 227 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 5: going and writing All My Children for a few years, 228 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 5: and he ended up being the head writer on it 229 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 5: and being in the room with him. He comes up 230 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 5: out of left field, comes up with ideas. And this 231 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 5: one time was the big beginning of the second season. 232 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 5: We were in Aaron's office because we went and we 233 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 5: screened every rough cut with Aaron, and Aaron would give 234 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 5: us the notes and I may have to reshoot something 235 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 5: or And we were sitting there and we had already 236 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 5: shot the accident that Michael had with Kimberly that killed Kimberly. Right. 237 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 5: He the whole story was that he had he had 238 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 5: divorced Jane, and he was with Kimberly and. 239 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 7: Hapened in season one beginning. 240 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 5: Of season two, but they were planning it in season A. 241 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 7: Lot more happened in season one than I remember, right. 242 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 5: And he had had an affair with Sydney and cheated 243 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 5: on Kimberly with Sydney and Kimberly, was I right? And 244 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 5: then he crawled back to Kimberly with a wedding ring 245 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 5: and he was drunk and driving and he said marry me, 246 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 5: and she says yes, and it's great, and he's he's 247 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 5: plastered and he drives off a cliff and we shot 248 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 5: this this stunt where the car comes rolling down the cliff, 249 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 5: and unfortunately it was a lot more violent than we 250 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 5: had had planned. It landed on it its roof and 251 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 5: crushed the roof, and we were out there going, well, nobody's. 252 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: Living, so get rid of that guy. 253 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 5: The plan was to kill off, you know, Kimberly, and 254 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 5: then drive Michael's whole storyline through the rest of that 255 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 5: season and dealing with that out aftermath. And we were 256 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 5: sitting there screening an episode or two before that with 257 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 5: Aaron and Marsha Cross had some scene that she just 258 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 5: as she usually did, just knocked it out of the park, 259 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 5: and we were all sitting there going, oh, man, she 260 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 5: is so good. I'm so sorry we're having a loser. 261 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 5: I mean, we all knew that was the plan. And 262 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 5: then and Chuck got this evil grin on his face 263 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 5: and he said, you know, we should wait till the 264 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 5: end of the season and bring her back from the dead, 265 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 5: and right, that's the daytime soap mentality he brought to it, 266 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 5: and everybody in the room went yes. And Marsha played 267 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 5: along beautifully because she said I'm off the show and 268 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 5: and and even when she came back for that, she said, 269 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 5: don't put me in the credits on this show. And 270 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 5: it led to that great shot that Charlie Carrell did 271 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 5: at the Beach House where you and Michael Sydney and 272 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 5: Michael are romping in the bedroom and the camera pulls 273 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 5: back and the waves are crashing in it's night and 274 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 5: suddenly there's this figure that standing and watching them in 275 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 5: the camera then arcs around and there's Kimberly and it 276 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 5: was black. When nothing aired, my home phone rang. 277 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 6: That was the end of two No. 278 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 5: That wasn't the end of two No. That was that 279 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 5: was like two or three episodes before the end of. 280 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 6: Seasons okay, because then. 281 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 5: We had the great shot that Nancy Malone shot of 282 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 5: of Kimberly going into the into the bathroom to get 283 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 5: a paint pill and she pulls the wigs the famous 284 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 5: we were screening that. We sat down and Aaron looked 285 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 5: at me and said, I sure hope this works. It 286 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 5: was It was just child that was I mean, it 287 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 5: was a writer's room, so I mean they would sit there. 288 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 5: I'm sure Darren had. 289 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 2: Some Did he just jump on board the whole soap 290 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: mentality when he had to let go of the whole realistic. 291 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 5: I think he, I mean, he could really got into 292 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 5: another Here's a Darren story for you. They came. They 293 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 5: came in season three, and I know you want to 294 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 5: talk about double ups and you just go, this is 295 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 5: a great Darren story about midway through season three, they 296 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 5: were planning out what was going to end season three, 297 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 5: and man, we've got Kimberly talking to some guy in 298 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 5: the back stat of the car going some imaginary friend, right, psycho, 299 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 5: And Darren calls me up and there had been a 300 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 5: in real life, there had been a assessment plane somebody 301 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 5: had taken and landed on the White House lawn and 302 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 5: you know, it was a major security breach of Clinton's 303 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 5: White House and it was in the news. And about 304 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 5: two days later, Darren calls me and he says, sure, Okay, 305 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 5: we're talking about the end of the season and I 306 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 5: want I want Kimberly to to steal an airplane and 307 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 5: fly it into Melrose Place. Just come yea, So it 308 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 5: wasn't It was like, oh, okay, I that's interesting. I 309 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 5: always learned as as a line producer, never tell the 310 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 5: head writer or the show writer, no, you can't do it, 311 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 5: we can't afford it. Goodbye. So I told it. I 312 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 5: told her. I said, okay, well, well let me let 313 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 5: me look at it, let me touge it out. Let 314 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 5: me see what it costs to fly an airplane into 315 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 5: a building because there was no scene. 316 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 6: God. 317 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 5: So I got called him back after I'd run the numbers, 318 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 5: and I said, well, we can't exactly afford an airplane, 319 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 5: but we can blow the thing up. We can blow 320 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 5: the building up. 321 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 7: So was it picking up? 322 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: Because we're watching the beginning starting to get busy. We 323 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: just had the Billy Moses storyline. It's starting to get 324 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: more and more exciting. And we did thirty three episodes 325 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: the first season. 326 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 5: We did thirty two and a half a half. 327 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: It was right, So we did an entire twelve months. 328 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: I remember you might remember this. So we were at 329 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: Lake Hastaic because we couldn't afford real skiing, so we 330 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: were water skiing in January, some freezingle thing at Lakestaic 331 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: with me and Heather and Andrew. 332 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 7: We did some and we got picked up again. 333 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: And Lona, our makeup artis and I could not stop 334 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: crying because we were like, we got picked up. We 335 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: just both started crying up and then we were so 336 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: tired and you're like it's good news. 337 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 7: You're like, okay, it was a year. 338 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 5: Solid started in May and we ended in March. I 339 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 5: mean we had eleven months. Yeah, it was less. 340 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: So was it because we were gaining steam and we 341 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: didn't want to lose That is that why they kept 342 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: making up for episodes. 343 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 5: That Fox Fox started trying to rerun it, and the 344 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 5: reruns tanked. So we were climbing in the ratings steadily 345 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 5: through the end of season one, and then you know, 346 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 5: as they want to do, they want to push stuff 347 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 5: to February and May sweep, November, February, May sweeps, and 348 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 5: so they tried re running some episodes from earlier in 349 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 5: the season, and it just nobody wanted to watch because 350 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 5: they had already gotten hooked on that week to week 351 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 5: what's coming next? And when they tuned in and said, 352 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 5: this isn't a pick up from last weekend, you know, 353 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 5: where's where's uh? Alison and Keith they didn't want to 354 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 5: get interrupted, they didn't want their flow to be in. 355 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 5: It's why Daytime doesn't rerun. 356 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: Well because Brainchild was the double ups? And had you 357 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: done double ups on other shows? Was that spelling thing? 358 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 5: Who you're looking at him? 359 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: I liked you for all of us. I mean, yeah, 360 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: I didn't know that when. 361 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 5: We got to pick up, Uh, Aaron called me with 362 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 5: Darren in this in the room and I think Peter 363 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 5: Chernan made been who was head of Fox, and he's 364 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 5: good news, we're getting picked up. But Fox leantus you 365 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 5: know how many episodes original episodes weekend air without a 366 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 5: break and they and I said, I said, well, how 367 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 5: many do you want? He said, just just work it out, 368 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 5: work out a calendar for me, and we're looking to 369 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 5: do as many as we did the first season, which 370 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 5: we did thirty two. And I said, you got a Boston. 371 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 5: I hung up the phone and I went, how the 372 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 5: hell are we going to do this? We're already in 373 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 5: you know, January or February chick up and we'd have 374 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 5: to start never go on to hey this and even 375 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 5: then we weren't going to be able to make the 376 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 5: air days. And I started, you know, I remember a 377 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 5: big long memo to them with all the possibilities including, well, 378 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 5: maybe we can get a waiver from the guilds and 379 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 5: work six days a week. And you were allowed to 380 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 5: do that if you're on location, you can shoot six 381 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 5: days a week. So I said, I said, well maybe 382 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 5: we you know, cut out. At that point, we were 383 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 5: doing seven day shoots, two days on location, five days 384 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 5: on stage as well. Maybe we do six day shows 385 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 5: to try to cram extra pages. 386 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 7: In the thing about six issues. 387 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: I just want to say, so there's twelve hours between 388 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: you leave and when you come back. So it'd start 389 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: on Monday at six am, and it worked at eight pm. 390 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: Then we'd start at eight am, worked till ten pm. 391 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: By the time you were on Friday night, you started 392 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: two in the afternoon and worked till four am Saturday. 393 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: If you only had one day off, that's our turnaround. 394 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: But the crew's working that whole time. 395 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 5: But the cruise turn around is at that point was 396 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 5: like eight hours. It was. 397 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: It's ridiculous if you do a six day week, so 398 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: you can do it on location for a few months 399 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: or but if you're doing that all year, you don't 400 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: have any day to recover because you go home and 401 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: have to learn the lines. Yeah, so thank god, I 402 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: just want to thank you right now for not doing 403 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: that well. 404 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 5: I had to lay out the options for them, but 405 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 5: as I saw it from a budgeting standpoint, and then 406 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 5: I started thinking, well, you know what if we if 407 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 5: we start just getting a whole new crew in here. 408 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 5: And I experimented by by taking just a couple of 409 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 5: random episodes. And when you when you break down an 410 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 5: episode from a script, you put them on strips, you know, 411 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 5: called boarding the show, and the strips go into a 412 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 5: big board and they're all the strip has that scene 413 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 5: where it is who the actors are and all assa. 414 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 5: And I took the strips from an old two old 415 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 5: episodes and started messing around with building two boards out 416 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 5: of it, and it worked. 417 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 4: Wow. 418 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 5: We had enough actors, We had enough storylines. Just actively, 419 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 5: we had enough storylines. We were telling two and sometimes 420 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 5: three storylines in an episode, and we had two stages 421 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 5: at the time. We would later get to three and 422 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 5: two days of location, and so we had enough locations 423 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 5: and thespians to arrange two cruise shooting at the same time. 424 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 5: And when that hit, I said, okay, this because I 425 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 5: was paid by the episode. You were paid by the episode. 426 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 5: The writers are paid by the episode, so everybody would 427 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 5: be on board with more episodes. It's like hello, college fun. 428 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 5: So I started laying that out for Aaron and Darren, 429 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 5: the and the network. I did not know if it 430 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 5: was going to work or not. But by the time 431 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 5: we finished and I had kind of perfected how how 432 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 5: you slipped by one day, and so anything you couldn't 433 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 5: get done, it always fell into another another days, double up, 434 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 5: another episode, double up that if we did that three 435 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 5: times a year, we could shoot six episodes in the 436 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 5: space of three each time, and that would allow us 437 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 5: to take hiatuses, Christmas off, all those good things, plus 438 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 5: a three month hiatus at the end of the season. 439 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 6: Did we do that twice a year or three times 440 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 6: a year? 441 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 8: Yeah? 442 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 5: It was a win win win win win in many 443 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 5: ways because not only did we get extra paychecks, but 444 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 5: we hired an entire crew, a Hollywood crew for three 445 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 5: months out of the year. So we were giving employment 446 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 5: to people three months out of the year that normally 447 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 5: wouldn't have it. The keys were happy, The heads of 448 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 5: the departments were happy, because I mean a deal with 449 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 5: them for one hundred and fifty percent of their normal 450 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 5: salary during double ups, they because they got an entire crew, 451 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 5: like Wardrobe had two crews. So Denise, you know, we're 452 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 5: still we're working a few more hours, but they were 453 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 5: making one hundred and fifty percent of their normal paycheck. 454 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 5: They were happy. And the biggest thing about double ups 455 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 5: that was kind of like I didn't realize until after 456 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 5: we started doing them, was that they saved a lot 457 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 5: of money because you were still paying rentals on the 458 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 5: stages for the same amount of time. You were still 459 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 5: paying office rentals for this. All the facilities and phones 460 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 5: and everything else was the same span of time, so 461 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 5: I could split out that between all the episodes. So 462 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 5: suddenly I'm banking some money. I'm looking good. And that 463 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 5: because the network did not give us money for the 464 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 5: explosions and the car chases and the boats blowing up 465 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 5: and all that stuff. But we had to work on 466 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 5: what was a pretty modest budget. I mean it was 467 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 5: a modest budget on Melrose Place. Yeah, certainly not. You know, 468 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 5: X files came along the next day and I'm going, 469 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 5: how much are they making? And so was I would 470 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 5: have a little piggy bank of the account and would 471 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 5: keep track of all the money I was saving. And 472 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 5: when Darren calls me up and says I want to 473 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 5: fly an airplane into the building and blow it up, 474 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 5: I'm not going yeah right, yeah, I said we can 475 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 5: blow it up though, And that's because that money came 476 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 5: from my little slush fund from double ups. Wow, the 477 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 5: network got their episodes. We all got extra paychecks and 478 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 5: made extra you know, dollars, and you guys had to work. 479 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 5: I tried to. I really tried to keep from bouncing 480 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 5: you from one episode to the other in the same day. 481 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 5: You told me you remember one day where. 482 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 6: You had to different places. 483 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 5: I tried to keep, you know, so going where am 484 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 5: I you? 485 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 3: You modeled how to do it? 486 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 6: And so other shows I'm sure. 487 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 5: I'm sure there have been other shows that have had two. 488 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 5: I mean lots of shows have second units running all 489 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 5: the time where they have another unit that's shooting stuff 490 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 5: and other stuff and they'll bring actors over. So I didn't, 491 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 5: but I think I was. I want to know. It 492 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 5: was the first one. It's spelling to do entire episodes 493 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 5: with a full crew, you know, and four directors, two prepping, 494 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 5: two shooting. 495 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty two episodes. Was so exceptional that you figured 496 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 3: out how to. 497 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 5: Make it thirty four hours thirty two that we did 498 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 5: two two hours, remember every year, So we did thirty 499 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 5: four hours. 500 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time? And I remember we 501 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: were like, it's not going to be like we're just 502 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: trying it. We're just trying it. 503 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 7: I remember, very. 504 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: Convinced that it wasn't going to work, and we go 505 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: back to Norman. I was like, one thing, I know, 506 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: we're not doing this again. Cut to what would really 507 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: help me. 508 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 5: I always rolled around and this was key, And none 509 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 5: of this could have happened if it wasn't for Darren 510 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 5: and the staff, if I didn't have six scripts to 511 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 5: board all at once. Yes, yeah, it was a useless exercise. 512 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 5: And so I had this, you know, I said Darren, 513 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 5: it can you do this? You know? And he said, 514 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 5: I'll get them to your chip, don't worry. And I had. 515 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 5: I never had a problem where I said I don't 516 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 5: have the script, I can't board the shows. They had 517 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 5: to work as fast as we did to get those scripts. 518 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: Out and I was and they couldn't have somebody heavy 519 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: in two episode Side decides to be doing one and two, 520 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: three and four, five and second they were good about. 521 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: I remember they were very good about you be heavy. 522 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 7: On one on one? 523 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: Was it teammate and team B? Heavy on Blue team 524 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: and not heavy on Red Team because you'd have six episodes, 525 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: and in those episodes that. 526 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 7: Was a long time on Melow's Place. 527 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: Anything happened episodes, So you're trying to remember with Mary, 528 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: was it Dolan's married donn or a script adviser sitting with. 529 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 7: Her going where am I? 530 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 5: Like? Where? 531 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 7: What has happened? Where am I? 532 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: Because you're trying to keep it so much. 533 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 5: To try this. 534 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 7: Well, then we found because some of it was so arch. 535 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: Just play the scene, like pretend to the standalone scene 536 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: because sometimes you get so confused. I'm just committing to 537 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: what I see on the page today. I don't have 538 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: any idea. 539 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 2: I don't know I came before, just committing to just 540 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: commit to the word and the intensity. 541 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 5: You know, I remember the first year was you can't 542 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 5: change any lines. Towards the end of that, you know, 543 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 5: the writers, you know, trusted me enough to know whether 544 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 5: it was something I had to call them about and say, 545 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 5: because if you if you did change things, it seemed innocuous. 546 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 5: You didn't realize what they had planned way down the 547 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 5: line back. It is important. You know. There were once 548 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 5: or twice they said why did you let them cut 549 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 5: that chip? And I went, oh, shoot. 550 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 4: And do you think that that planning that far in 551 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 4: advance developed because of necessity with the doubleops? 552 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 5: Or do you think that was good writing team that 553 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 5: that that didn't that knew where they were going? And 554 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 5: and Darren and then uh, Chuck and then later Frank 555 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 5: South came on board, and then I think in the 556 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 5: second season h who else came on? Frank, Chuck, Carol Mendelsohn, Carroll, 557 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 5: and Carroll was just such a good writer. I mean 558 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 5: she ended up running on and she had a great 559 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 5: mind for for story and stuff. So we had a 560 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 5: really good staff of writings and they were if they 561 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 5: hadn't worked, none of this would have worked. 562 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: And then I saw in our little cheat sheet that 563 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: you started writing in these season three? 564 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 7: Were you writing? 565 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 5: I've been writing fantasy islands and stuff on any show 566 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 5: that I was on. I've been writing off and on. 567 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 5: I ended up going and writing full time on All 568 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 5: my Children for almost ten years. 569 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: Wow, did you see Melrose stories for all my children? 570 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 5: The head writer, the head writer? 571 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 7: Did we know you were writing, because I don't remember that. 572 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 5: Did we know you directed a few two? 573 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 7: Yeah, I do remember that. 574 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 5: I found something I'll share with you as soon as 575 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 5: I look at it. I found six days of dailies 576 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 5: from season four show I directed. Wow, it's fun very 577 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 5: daily too. 578 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 3: That's just so fun and funny because like, that's. 579 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 5: All this work, all the days, stuff that didn't make 580 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 5: it to the cut and all the my I had 581 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 5: a show that where Kristin Davis was haunting she had died, 582 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 5: and she rose out of the pool and everyone like 583 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 5: the ghost of Christmas path. My god, my god. 584 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 8: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are 585 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 8: you a Charlotte. In nineteen ninety seven, my life was 586 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 8: forever changed when I took on the role of Charlotte 587 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 8: Yorke on a new HBO show called Sex and the City. 588 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 8: As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda, and Charlotte navigate relationships 589 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 8: in New York City, the show helped push once unacceptable 590 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 8: conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative 591 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 8: around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them 592 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 8: as they searched for fulfillment in life. Sex and friendships. 593 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 8: Now I want to connect with you and share untold 594 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 8: stories and all the behind the scenes together. 595 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 7: With special guests. 596 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 8: What will begin with sex and the City will evolve 597 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 8: into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. 598 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 8: Are You a Charlotte is a much more than just 599 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 8: rewatching our beloved show. It brings the past and the 600 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 8: present together as we talk with heart, humor, and of 601 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 8: course some optimism. Listen to Are You a Charlotte on 602 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 8: the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. 603 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 5: The one. The other thing that really helped was by 604 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 5: that time I had a stable of directors that I 605 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 5: really liked, and I mean I looked at the I've 606 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 5: looked in the first season as some of these directors 607 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 5: and I go, I don't remember that person. And there 608 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 5: was the one that you mentioned that I remember very 609 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 5: well because you didn't come to me and complain about 610 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 5: the one that said you cry on this. Yeah, but 611 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 5: it got back to me and he didn't come back. 612 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 5: He made court upset. Well. 613 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 3: He has since become a very successful editor. 614 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 5: So we went through a whole bunch of different directors 615 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 5: until Ife and I Charlie Crawl I'd known since I 616 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 5: was a child, Charlie, and I brought Charlie and as 617 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 5: soon as he was available, and then at the beginning 618 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 5: of each season, I just said, here, Charlie, pencil your 619 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 5: name and you do like every third one. 620 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: He did every other ones, every other and Richard Lang member. 621 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: Richard get us out. I remember one time I was like, oh, darn, 622 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: I didn't get out in time for lunch. He goes, 623 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: hold on, We're going to Grace and just did a 624 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: shot to get me out at lunch. 625 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 7: I was like, oh I didn't. Oh wow, thank you. 626 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. My brother produced the Dantanna Vegas Show for Aaron 627 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 5: and I filled in as a social producer a couple 628 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 5: of times. And Richard had directed that pilot and did 629 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 5: a bunch of man he was I loved him so much, 630 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 5: he was, yeah, amazing and Chip Chalmers, who was our indeed, yeah, 631 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 5: he ended up directing a bunch of them. You keep 632 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 5: it in house. You got to have fun because you're 633 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 5: working so hard, and if you don't have enjoyable people 634 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 5: to be around, enjoyable directors, enjoyable you know, crew. Because 635 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 5: we really really lucked out with the cast. 636 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 7: We lucked out. 637 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 5: You all know now after you know, all the time 638 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 5: in the business. Yeah, and I had just come I 639 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 5: I was telling that I had just come before this 640 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 5: from a very short lived series in Las Vegas for 641 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 5: Aaron with a couple of actors that just were very 642 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 5: grumpy and unhappy, Thestians, and you know, I had a 643 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 5: chair thrown at me and just I mean, it was 644 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 5: not a pleasant time. 645 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 6: It wasn't a pumpkin pie. 646 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 5: I remember so well. I remember very well the very 647 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 5: first photo shoot before we started shooting the eight of you. 648 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 5: It was down in Culver City, I think, at an 649 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 5: MGM stage, and that was the first time I met 650 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 5: all of you. And I went down there specifically go hmm, 651 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 5: I wonder who's going to. 652 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 7: Get everybody out? 653 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 5: I thought, I said, well, Thomas is a little brash, 654 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 5: but he ended up being the biggest pussy cat of all, 655 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 5: you know, And so all we were so blessed with 656 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 5: the cast that and then when we brought people at Heather, 657 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 5: you know, I mean I'd worked with Heather on t J. 658 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 5: Hooker and she had done a TV movie with my 659 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 5: wife Deborah just before we started. And Susanne Summer is 660 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 5: called Rich Men's Single Women with Susanne, my wife, Debora 661 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 5: Deren and Heather and it was about it was a 662 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 5: light comedy. Actually it was about three women looking for 663 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 5: rich men. And so Heather I knew was going to 664 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 5: be adult. 665 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: At what point and how did it come about that 666 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 2: Heather was the Alexis. 667 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 6: Heather was going to be. 668 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 5: Aaron had told me that we're looking for our Alexis. 669 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 5: Now he obviously had sat down with Darren and Darren 670 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 5: created the character of Amanda. 671 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: But when during season because she came on in episode late. 672 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty one. Yeah, and the writers had already started 673 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 5: fine tuning things. I mean they started adding you know, cliffhangers. Yeah, 674 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 5: which was the big thing that brought people back. They 675 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 5: started adding those. Alison and Billy was such a one 676 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 5: of the things that tested very well because the network 677 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 5: is always on a new series, especially testing what's working, 678 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 5: what's not working, And Alison Billy was the shoe star. 679 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 5: That was it. So if you, I don't know if 680 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 5: you noticed, but you started working a lot more. Yeah. 681 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. How horrified dream 682 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: you found out Andrew and I were dating. 683 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 5: Oh, I knew right away. I had a secret weapon there, 684 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 5: and that was Lisa Bell, my assistant. Anything that was 685 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 5: ever said in the in the makeup trailer or the wardrobe, 686 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 5: Lisa somehow found out about it. I don't know if 687 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 5: she had it bugged, but she was. You had the 688 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 5: makeup tiler, Andrew and Court here and it was the 689 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 5: funniest thing was was that after season one was over, 690 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 5: before we started shooting again, I took you, and Andrew 691 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 5: and my then wife Deborah, and I took you out 692 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 5: to Trader Vix. 693 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, that's right. 694 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 5: And you guys didn't tell me that you had broken up. 695 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 7: Broken up already. 696 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 5: You had broken up already about a week in the 697 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 5: office for the first time. And Lisa says, you know, 698 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 5: I handed the Trader Vix bill. Let's say you're putting 699 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 5: in for this, And she said, you know, they broke up. 700 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 5: They didn't tell me. 701 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: It was a very friendly breakup, although we had Andrew 702 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: on the trace, it was very friendly breakup. 703 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 7: And he goes, that's not how I remember. It was like, 704 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 7: I'm gonna. 705 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: Say, we went to dinner with Chip and ever, so 706 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: clearly it was friendly, you know, it. 707 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 7: Was on a good front, seemed happy, But no, I thought. 708 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 5: It was great listen, there's bound to be on set romances, 709 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 5: you know, And they happened, and the good thing was 710 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 5: was that it was nobody ever used them as a 711 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 5: cudgel for any reason. You know. 712 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but it's that moment of fear this could 713 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: go wrong. 714 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 5: Well yeah, you know. Most of the time it's it's like, well, yeah, 715 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 5: you're right. Actually, if they do break up and suddenly 716 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 5: they've got all these love scenes to do, it's more difficult. 717 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 5: But that's more, that's more your problem. 718 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what you get paid for. 719 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 7: It all worked out. Everybody's worked. 720 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 8: PI. I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are 721 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 8: you Charlotte. In nineteen ninety seven, my life was forever 722 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 8: changed when I took on the role of Charlotte Yorke 723 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 8: on a new HBO show called Sex and the City. 724 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 8: As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda, and Charlotte navigate relationships 725 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 8: in New York City, the show helped push once unacceptable 726 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 8: conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative 727 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 8: around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them 728 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 8: as they searched for fulfillment in life. Sex and friendships 729 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 8: now I want to connect with you and share untold 730 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 8: stories and all the behind the scenes together with special guests. 731 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 8: What will begin with sex and the City will evolve 732 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 8: into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. 733 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 8: Are You a Charlotte is a much more than just 734 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 8: rewatching our beloved show. It brings the past and the 735 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 8: present together as we talk with heart, humor, and of 736 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 8: course some optimism. Listen to Are You a Charlotte on 737 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 8: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. 738 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 2: At what point did you guys know, number wise, you 739 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: and Aaron and Darren know that it was really picking 740 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 2: up and doing great. 741 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 5: Just about well, you know, it didn't. It didn't go 742 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 5: through the roof until season three, until they moved us 743 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 5: from Wednesdays to Mondays and they had that great advertising 744 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 5: campaign with a close up of Heather's face and Monday's 745 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 5: are a Bitch? Yeah, that was great, and that was 746 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 5: the season that suddenly everybody was watching it. So it 747 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 5: was yeah, it was not so much it really jumped. 748 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 5: It just started climbing back again slowly, and it climbed 749 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 5: enough to where we got to pick up for the 750 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 5: second season. 751 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 6: And by that, why did they do Monday. Why who 752 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 6: that was? 753 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 5: That was Fox programming? They they I think they had uh, 754 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 5: I think they moved when. I don't know when X 755 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 5: Files X Files premier. I think in ninety three ninety four. 756 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 5: First of all, I was not that worried about getting 757 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 5: canceled two or much because they did not have a 758 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 5: big development slate. Fox was a you know, I kind 759 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 5: of kept tabs on what shows they were developing. They 760 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 5: had to, you know, if they canceled us, they were 761 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 5: gonna have to slide something in there. And I remember 762 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 5: hearing that their development wasn't looking too good. They had 763 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 5: this big, expensive show called The X Files, but that 764 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 5: as long as we showed some improvement, not just in 765 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 5: ratings but in everybody's opinion of the show. It's not 766 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 5: like the network said, oh god, these first episodes are awful. 767 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 5: They were good shows. They just wanted to find a 768 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 5: way to tease the audience to tune in more and 769 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 5: to come back. You know, they knew they could get them. 770 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 5: If they could get them, they needed a way to 771 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 5: bring the people back, and it was those serializing the 772 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 5: show just was obviously the secret. And once we started 773 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 5: doing that, once that that Billy Allison relationship was threatened 774 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 5: by Keith and whoever you know Billy was dating and 775 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 5: and you kept And then they brought in the other 776 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 5: soap opera tropes like you know, fibroid tumors and is 777 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 5: she going to die? And the wife that did and 778 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 5: and then I mean it really started clicking the And 779 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 5: it wasn't so much the ratings as the network was 780 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 5: enjoying the shows. The little story of Jake and his son. Yeah, 781 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 5: after the second episode you were on, I watched it 782 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 5: and I said, you know, this is so sappy, but 783 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 5: it is so sweet. Played it so honestly. And the 784 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 5: thing was that was not so much a storyline for 785 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 5: Grant as it was a storyline for the two of you, 786 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 5: and it was there to service your relationship. And the 787 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 5: writers did such a good Darren. I mean, you know, 788 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 5: there's a reason why he went on to become Sex 789 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 5: and the City and all that. He didn't have all 790 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 5: the experience in the world of running shows, but god, 791 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 5: he had some raw talent at that time that was 792 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 5: just so obvious for story character. He developed these characters 793 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 5: that were so good and having a solid writing staff 794 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,919 Speaker 5: underneath him, especially Chuck who had done all this many 795 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 5: many times on daytime. It was just a wonderful blend 796 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 5: of talent writers, talented actors. 797 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's what we've really discovered from watching 798 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 2: the first fifteen is that it really was well written, 799 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 2: It was touching, it was ahead of its time. It 800 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 2: took on issues that other shows weren't taken on. It 801 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 2: wasn't it was escape, but relevant, escape in a way. 802 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 2: And I didn't think of the show as that back then, 803 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 2: but watching it now, you're right. 804 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 5: And Aaron was always very proud of tackling the issues issues, 805 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 5: and you guys were talking and I love Doug's you know, 806 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 5: I've read all the publicity he's had since on Hollywood 807 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 5: Deadline and stuff like that. It really was not Aaron 808 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 5: or Darren or even the network that put a kebash on, 809 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 5: you know, let's have a gay kiss or let's push 810 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 5: the envelope on that, you know, it was it was 811 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 5: just reality. It was the advertiser and they would take 812 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 5: it right up to the point where the advertisers went, whoa. 813 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 5: And without advertisers, you didn't have a show. So you 814 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 5: had you had to, you know, walk up to that 815 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,399 Speaker 5: line and push as hard as you can and Aaron 816 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 5: always did that. I mean, Dynasty had a gay character 817 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 5: ten years earlier. Yes, you know, the son came out 818 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 5: as gay, and of course it couldn't talk about it 819 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 5: as honestly as we did in Melo's place. But you 820 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 5: saw the progression, he said, And then look at thirty 821 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 5: years later, here we are, and it's because of show 822 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 5: And I'd worked on a show at Showtime in the 823 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 5: eighties called Brothers, which was all about three brothers and 824 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,399 Speaker 5: the youngest one came out as gay and he had 825 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 5: a best friend who was a very flamboyant gay played 826 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 5: by Philip Charles mackenzie who was absolutely hilarious. And it 827 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 5: was a funny, funny show. And yet but it was 828 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 5: on Showtime, so it was it was not at the 829 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 5: whim of advertise mission. So we were able to do 830 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 5: the show about AIDS when an AIDS first hit and 831 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 5: be honest about it and you know, make a teaching 832 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 5: moment out of it. And Aaron tried, and the network tried, 833 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 5: and we went as far as we could go in 834 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 5: that day and age, and it was it was. He 835 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 5: did that on a lot of a lot of his 836 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 5: shows where he had. 837 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 6: A synergy with Darren and Ain. 838 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 2: Yes, just those stories, not just the gay story, but 839 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 2: the stories and the. 840 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 5: Relevant stories came out of the writer's room. Aaron was 841 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 5: not in the writer's room. Aaron was running zillion other shows, 842 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 5: an entire and building a really big house. But no Darren. 843 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 5: Would you know. They would pitch the stories to Erin 844 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 5: before they pitched them to the network, and Aaron would 845 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 5: give his no, I think you should do this or 846 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 5: do that, and I can guarantee you Aaron was the 847 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 5: one that said, we need to bring in a villain, 848 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 5: we need an Electis Carrington in here, because he'd done 849 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 5: that before. 850 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: Did he know early on that it was going to 851 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: be Heather? Like was he waiting for Heather to be available? 852 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 5: I don't know. He did not tell me. He just said, 853 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 5: we're going to find our Alexis is what I remember 854 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 5: was the hole. 855 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 7: At one point she was doing two of his shows at. 856 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: Once, like, yeah, and she was such a she was. 857 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 7: Certainly our lucky Penny. 858 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 5: Yeah she was. She was. She took put the retro 859 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 5: rockets on the back of it and took off. But 860 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 5: things were progressing, the ratings were creeping up even before 861 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 5: she came out. She just kind of took it to 862 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 5: that next level and then all the stuff that came 863 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 5: out of that, you know, the writers just ate it 864 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 5: up and just went with it, and so it was 865 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 5: such a you all know, I mean, these things, you 866 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 5: don't know what's going to work and what's not going 867 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 5: to work. But if you don't start with a really 868 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 5: good talent in the writing staff and a great talent 869 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 5: on screen, you don't have much. 870 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 2: And the c of a producer to know how to 871 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 2: do double ups and make the money and from what 872 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 2: all the talent he has. 873 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 5: I thank you very much. 874 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 6: But oh it's like takes all these different. 875 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 5: My job was to make sure it got done on time, 876 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 5: on budget, and everybody it was great. 877 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,320 Speaker 4: Do you remember any other storylines or any other things 878 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 4: that you guys wanted to do that maybe got pushed 879 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 4: back either side of the network or advertisers or just 880 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 4: wouldn't fly, Like things that you or the writers wanted 881 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 4: to do but couldn't quite You. 882 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 5: Know, that's going to be a question for Darren. Yeah, 883 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 5: because the or Chuck Pratt or wherever you can get 884 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 5: talk to, because is by the time I got scripts 885 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 5: or I got told what the stories were, they had 886 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 5: already been approved by the network, and they were in 887 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 5: the works because it was God, we were doing so 888 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 5: many that it was just give me a script. Okay, okay, 889 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 5: let's put it on. Give me that script. Gime in, 890 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 5: and it was not. There was no time for me 891 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 5: to certainly go and sit in on anything but rough cuts. 892 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 5: And I was only there for so I could get 893 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 5: barked that when when actors wore sunglasses. 894 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 7: Sunglasses, we were like, and that's the last time. 895 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: And also remember you wanted Joe to chew gum And 896 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: the word came down from Aaron, no gum. 897 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 5: I got yelled at. He said, didn't I teach you 898 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 5: better than that? What the hell is she doing? 899 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 6: I know? 900 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 5: And I came back and I totally understand his Uh. 901 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 6: It look terrible. 902 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 5: I'm looking. 903 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 6: Aaron's like hating this, and I'm hating it. So Gum's 904 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 6: just done. 905 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 5: The sunglasses thing. I told you he didn't mind if 906 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 5: somebody was wearing sunglasses across the street or something. But 907 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 5: Aaron always said this, listen, television is a close up medium. 908 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 5: And if I have to sit there and watch somebody 909 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 5: for two pages talking to you know, somebody with sunglasses 910 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 5: on I don't know what they're thinking, you know, the 911 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 5: old eyes of the window of the soul. And he knew, Boy, 912 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 5: he knew what. 913 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 2: Really true because to this day, like when we were 914 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 2: doing Fantasy Island in Puerto Rico, and I wanted to 915 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 2: it's very sunny and very blow very windy, and I 916 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 2: wanted to wear sunglasses. Any character out on the beach 917 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 2: would wear them. But if you're by the pool, unless you're. 918 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,279 Speaker 6: Doing this on purpose, they really don't like them. And 919 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 6: it's for that reason. They want to see what you're looking. 920 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 5: He had zillions of shows for a reason. Yeah, and 921 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 5: he always told me. One of the things he taught me. 922 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 5: I started in the mail room for him years ago, 923 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 5: did you Yeah, I was a nepo baby because my 924 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 5: dad was his business man. 925 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 8: Okay, but. 926 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 5: He gave you a shot. But if you didn't prove itself, 927 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 5: I was. I was in the mail room with his 928 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 5: nephew when he fired his nephew. So you had to 929 00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 5: you had to work hard improve your show. It did. 930 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 5: But Aaron always said, look, think about how the average 931 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,320 Speaker 5: person watches television. And this is the day before streaming, 932 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 5: the days before before more than three networks. Even people 933 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 5: are are doing things. They're house cleaning, they've got the 934 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 5: TV on. They're not it's not an appointment television. People 935 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 5: are barely concentrating on a show. So you've got to 936 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 5: always tell them where you are, don't confuse them, and 937 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 5: show them good looking, attractive faces who are telling the story, 938 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 5: because people don't want to see unattractive people. They don't 939 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 5: want to see uh fancy schmancy directorial things that you're going, 940 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 5: wait a minute, what's going on here? He says. That's 941 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 5: why you always have establishing shots. In Aaron's world. You 942 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 5: know where you are, you're you're you're at shoot you're 943 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 5: at shooters. So when you cut to some of the 944 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 5: in shoes, you already know I'm in shooters. I don't 945 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 5: have to go where are they? Yeah, and he you 946 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 5: know it. It's different these days, obviously, because we have 947 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 5: streaming and we sit down and we start, we decide 948 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 5: when the show starts. In those days, if you weren't 949 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 5: there at nine o'clock to watch the show, you missed it. 950 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 5: We had the DVR. So he really knew what he 951 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 5: was doing, and he came out of that era where 952 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 5: where a boy he was really successful in doing it. 953 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 2: I mean that was a real transition too, because when 954 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 2: you think of Aaron Spelling, you think of the dynasties 955 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 2: that that the decade or two decades before us. So 956 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 2: what I really what's so smart about him is that 957 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 2: he made that change into the younger Melrosee hit it 958 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,320 Speaker 2: off with Darren's That's where it was. 959 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 5: Darren wrote the pilot nine O two one zero and 960 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 5: Darren had just done a couple of successful Adie features 961 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 5: I think before that, and he latched on with Aaron 962 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 5: and it was a great team because because Darren, you know, 963 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 5: Aaron had started I mean his first big successful series 964 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 5: was The Mod Squad. Oh I loved the money, right, 965 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 5: So Danny Thomas was his partner, and I had a 966 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 5: poster on my wall and it was about you know, 967 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 5: who had the sixties counterculture and you had these three 968 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 5: young kids being cops and so he always kind of 969 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 5: appealed to that. But he it would helped to have 970 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 5: Darren and appeal to this whole new generation. Yeah, uh, 971 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 5: he got. He was a smart guy. He was a 972 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:17,279 Speaker 5: very smart man. 973 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 4: And we were also sort of culturally happening at a 974 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 4: time when things were shifting, because we remember when like 975 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,319 Speaker 4: Chip Hayes, our producer, also liked our dad on set 976 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,879 Speaker 4: got the first cell phone, right, and you would come 977 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 4: with this giant brink of a cell phone. But you 978 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 4: were also you know, you were coming to us with 979 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 4: the numbers and stuff and like you. But it was 980 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 4: just this transition where this information was being delivered in 981 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 4: new ways and the Internet and like chat rooms were 982 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,799 Speaker 4: starting to be a thing, and you were starting to 983 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,720 Speaker 4: share that stuff. 984 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 5: I think Harry Bring was and I were the first 985 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 5: on AOL. And I mean you just didn't have there 986 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 5: was no there was no office email in those days. 987 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,280 Speaker 5: Spelling did not have this email fact factes and pagers 988 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 5: fast the beepers. You know, if I wanted, if Aaron 989 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,319 Speaker 5: wanted to talk to me while I was driving, get 990 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 5: a beep yes. 991 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 6: And you'd have to pull over find In the. 992 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,320 Speaker 5: Beginning, I'd had to you know, get to the office 993 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 5: and call them right away. But later on you had 994 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 5: the cell phone, the car phone not a cell. 995 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,879 Speaker 7: Phone was yeah, we all got car phones during the place. 996 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 2: So what are some of your the business side alone, 997 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 2: but like of us or other actors are just being 998 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:28,479 Speaker 2: on set. 999 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 5: I just I remember Melose Place was the happiest time 1000 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 5: of my professional career, without a doubt. You guys made 1001 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 5: it that way. You made that going to work a joy. 1002 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 5: And I always, you know, I was My goal was 1003 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 5: always to get to there at Crew Hall, because you know, 1004 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,919 Speaker 5: you had to walk the sets. I was always taught, 1005 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 5: you walk the sets, there's going to be something wrong, 1006 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 5: fixed it before you know the actors get there. And 1007 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 5: it was just I remember talking to Laura. We used 1008 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,240 Speaker 5: to bump into each other every morning at the craft 1009 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 5: service because we both were for the box of Lucky Charms. 1010 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 5: We both love lucky charms. 1011 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 1: And wait a fuel your day. 1012 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 5: To this day, I can't go a supermarket cereal isle 1013 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:18,240 Speaker 5: without thinking of Laura. Because there's a song in Sunset 1014 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 5: Boulevard the redoing. There's a song in there about as 1015 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,080 Speaker 5: if I never said goodbye, about the early morning madness 1016 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,840 Speaker 5: and the magic and the making and the cardboard trees 1017 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 5: and the painted seams, and she's singing about what it's 1018 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 5: like to be on a set, and that's I remember 1019 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,640 Speaker 5: that that morning where you've got a lot of work 1020 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 5: ahead of you, but you're working with really good people. Yeah, 1021 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,640 Speaker 5: it ended up being the directors that we found. We 1022 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 5: found some really good people, and it made it a 1023 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,279 Speaker 5: joy to go to work, and you were working really hard, 1024 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 5: but it was not an unpleasant work. It was fun. 1025 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 4: You say that all the time, but to have you 1026 00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:55,879 Speaker 4: come in and say it from where you were sitting 1027 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:56,840 Speaker 4: and well. 1028 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys, that warms my heart because that was 1029 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 5: my goal. I had been on sets where I didn't 1030 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 5: want to go into work because that so and so 1031 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 5: was going to be there and oh no, that's here, 1032 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,520 Speaker 5: they're coming in. And it was never that way. We 1033 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 5: just had fun and the writers were so good about 1034 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,320 Speaker 5: not changing things at the last minute. You know, you 1035 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 5: wouldn't get tons of pages at the last second. You'd 1036 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 5: have to may you know. I made sure you guys 1037 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 5: had communication with me. I said, if you've got a 1038 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 5: problem in a script, please don't please don't bring it 1039 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 5: up to me on the day of shooting. I'm bringing 1040 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 5: it to you days in advance. Read it and we'll talk. 1041 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 5: Get the writer on the phone in my office and 1042 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 5: we'll fix it. So you're not having problems on the 1043 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 5: set and costing us time. I mean, there's always lines 1044 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,959 Speaker 5: that you say, you know, need to say a little 1045 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,799 Speaker 5: differently when you're rehearsing them, but we had a good 1046 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 5: system going there. You know, if you needed time off, 1047 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,439 Speaker 5: I'd make sure I'd rearrange things for you. I found 1048 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,319 Speaker 5: just a beautiful note from marshacross to me. She had 1049 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,319 Speaker 5: somebody close to her pass early on in the in 1050 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 5: the shooting, and she came to me and said, I've 1051 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,280 Speaker 5: got to do this Shakespeare play down and San Diego 1052 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 5: I think it was. And he took a little bit 1053 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 5: of work, to cost a little money to rearrange the schedule, 1054 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 5: but I knew she really needed it, and she wrought 1055 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 5: the most beautiful note to me afterwards about how much it. 1056 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: Meantor yeah, yeah, it was such a different time, you know, 1057 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: and I really missed. Some people talk about series, Oh 1058 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,240 Speaker 1: it's the same thing every day. I love that family 1059 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,840 Speaker 1: that you get to know each other, that you bond 1060 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: that I mean, I bought a house, I got dogs, 1061 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: and I remember bringing polaroids of my house and my 1062 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,920 Speaker 1: dogs to show the crew and to show everybody, like, 1063 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 1: when you're together fourteen to sixteen hours a day and 1064 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,919 Speaker 1: you're lucky enough to have a happy cast and crew, 1065 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,440 Speaker 1: it's really extraordinary. It is rare, and I think you're right. 1066 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,840 Speaker 1: A lot of it with Santa Clarita. 1067 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,239 Speaker 5: We were always against traffic, so getting out there was 1068 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,440 Speaker 5: easy and coming back home was easy because Trafford was. 1069 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:48,280 Speaker 6: Always going nighttime. 1070 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,759 Speaker 1: It was thirty minutes exactly from my door to the 1071 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,399 Speaker 1: twenty six miles I remember that, which in La could 1072 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 1: be two hours. 1073 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,719 Speaker 5: But because and then it worked out right when we 1074 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 5: started shooting on an auctionar because he just went out 1075 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,840 Speaker 5: twenty six straight across Santa Paula and fillmore and that 1076 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 5: you were at the beach. Yeah, Oxnard with yeah, it 1077 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,879 Speaker 5: made it. It all worked out. Break then I'm missing Hi. 1078 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,759 Speaker 8: I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you 1079 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,360 Speaker 8: a Charlotte. In nineteen ninety seven, my life was forever 1080 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,919 Speaker 8: changed when I took on the role of Charlotte York 1081 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 8: on a new HBO show called Sex and the City. 1082 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 8: As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda, and Charlotte navigate relationships 1083 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 8: in New York City, the show helped push once unacceptable 1084 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,360 Speaker 8: conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative 1085 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,560 Speaker 8: around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them 1086 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 8: as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. 1087 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,120 Speaker 8: Now I want to connect with you and share untold 1088 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 8: stories and all the behind the scenes together with special guests. 1089 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,120 Speaker 8: What will begin with sex and the City will evolve 1090 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 8: into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. 1091 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 8: Are You a Charlotte is much more than just rewatching 1092 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 8: our loved show. It brings the past and the present 1093 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 8: together as we talk with heart, humor, and of course 1094 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,440 Speaker 8: some optimism. Listen to Are You a Charlotte on the 1095 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,560 Speaker 8: iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. 1096 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 4: You did another nice thing for I think it was 1097 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,919 Speaker 4: for Courtney. I heard something about this early on, when 1098 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,920 Speaker 4: she was so overwhelmed by working so much like the 1099 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,759 Speaker 4: Angenoux who had all the scenes, and you were just 1100 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,960 Speaker 4: really tired from working so much in those early episodes. 1101 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:35,920 Speaker 3: I think I remember sometimes. 1102 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,239 Speaker 5: Well people don't understand is that not only were we 1103 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 5: working you on set to death, but when you weren't working, 1104 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,960 Speaker 5: you were off doing publicity interviews, photo shoots, and I 1105 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 5: can't remember. I think we were at La After or 1106 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,520 Speaker 5: something shooting something this one time and you just came 1107 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 5: in and just said, I'm so exhausted, I'm so tired, 1108 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 5: I can't do this today. Can we do something, and 1109 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 5: I'm going on location, and you said just and you 1110 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,719 Speaker 5: were very up. You were just exhausted. You look like 1111 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 5: you were going to just drop. And you had you 1112 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,920 Speaker 5: had just shown me or talked to me about wanting 1113 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 5: to get a house and a dog. I remember, so 1114 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,239 Speaker 5: I I said, tell you what because you were crying. 1115 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,359 Speaker 5: He was just really exhausted, and I said, don't worry. 1116 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 5: I rearranged the schedule as best I could so that 1117 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,360 Speaker 5: you could decompress a little bit. But then I had Frank. Uh. 1118 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,560 Speaker 5: It was Frank, our prop master, and I said, Frank, 1119 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,440 Speaker 5: I said go to you know, because prop department is 1120 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,440 Speaker 5: in charge of animals. I said, go rent me a. 1121 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:44,440 Speaker 6: Puppy appy for the day. 1122 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,840 Speaker 7: I vaguely, vaguely remember. 1123 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 5: I remember it more. I knocked on your door and 1124 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,759 Speaker 5: I said, this is not a gift, this is a loan. 1125 00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,080 Speaker 5: Whatever it was, I think it worked. I think you 1126 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,120 Speaker 5: you were so enamored with playing with the puppy that 1127 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,280 Speaker 5: you forgot that you were horrible. 1128 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's very creative. 1129 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 5: It was great. When we've got the day's work done. 1130 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,680 Speaker 7: She was out there like her life and normally that's 1131 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,839 Speaker 7: something you do for toddlers. Apparently I was a very 1132 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 7: four years. 1133 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,480 Speaker 5: Towards the end of that first season we had you 1134 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,800 Speaker 5: and and Andrew. I guess could just roll with the bunches. 1135 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 5: Of course he always came in going what are we 1136 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:28,240 Speaker 5: doing today? 1137 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,799 Speaker 1: You didn't learn your But also he didn't do as 1138 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,239 Speaker 1: much like I was in the scenes with him, and 1139 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,359 Speaker 1: then I was the bridge for other scenes. 1140 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 5: That you were like crying, having to cry in every. 1141 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,360 Speaker 1: Other Yes, it was very sad a lot because if 1142 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:43,759 Speaker 1: the tumor and whatnot. 1143 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,200 Speaker 5: Put you through the emotional wringer a lot of the time. 1144 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:54,400 Speaker 5: So I remember that day very well, bring her a puppy, 1145 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,359 Speaker 5: She's gonna be a puppy. And he was there within 1146 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:57,879 Speaker 5: a half hour. 1147 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 6: Very you knew that. 1148 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you really have to be creative problem solver on 1149 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,040 Speaker 2: shows like this that go so fast, because you never 1150 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,000 Speaker 2: know what it's going to be with all the It 1151 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,719 Speaker 2: could be the cast, could be the crew. 1152 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,240 Speaker 5: Or it could be the riders. Remember we were blowing 1153 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,759 Speaker 5: up a boat on Lake Piru. We had built that 1154 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:21,520 Speaker 5: boat that Kaffee Ireland and Uh and Jake and we 1155 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 5: built like a We bought a sailboat and made it 1156 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,279 Speaker 5: look like that that yacht that you guys were on 1157 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:32,719 Speaker 5: by like a fifty scale model and we put it 1158 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,759 Speaker 5: on Lake Piru and our John Gray, our special effects guy, 1159 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,919 Speaker 5: had rigged it with all these great explosions and gasoline 1160 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,360 Speaker 5: and we're all laying up there and we're and we 1161 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,760 Speaker 5: go and three two one, and he pushes the button 1162 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 5: in nothing. Oh my god, and my heart goes into 1163 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,359 Speaker 5: my stomach, going, what are we going to do now? 1164 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,799 Speaker 5: There's been an electrical charge that has been sent through 1165 00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,439 Speaker 5: And he says, give me a minute, and I'm going on, John, 1166 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 5: I got Harry Brain was the production manity, and I said, guys, 1167 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,120 Speaker 5: we got to have another safety meeting here because this 1168 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,399 Speaker 5: is not this is getting me very concerned. That John 1169 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,120 Speaker 5: said I can fix it. And John Gray had to 1170 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,839 Speaker 5: go crawl over all these explosives and bladders of gasoline. 1171 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,840 Speaker 5: And I'm sitting there just going, I'm envisioning myself on 1172 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 5: the stand at a. 1173 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 9: Trial with the headlines with the headlines of and I'm going, oh, 1174 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 9: and that that was an example of oh, this pleasant 1175 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,080 Speaker 9: night where we're going to have fun with fireworks and 1176 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,440 Speaker 9: blow up a boat and turning it. 1177 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,280 Speaker 5: Into ohmos, don't die, please, don't die. And he had 1178 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,880 Speaker 5: to go crawl over that, and he found that that 1179 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 5: one of the wires had pulled out and reconnected Jesus 1180 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,160 Speaker 5: and came out. He got it, got it bus and 1181 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 5: then we blew that it was I still see that 1182 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,880 Speaker 5: explosion in stock footage to this. 1183 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:50,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1184 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, multiple cameras all the time, work four cameras, I think. 1185 00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we would cut the in and it 1186 00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,520 Speaker 5: looks like it blows up eighteen times. 1187 00:57:59,640 --> 00:57:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1188 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was great. It was a great sign. It 1189 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,160 Speaker 5: was But that was one of the nights where you 1190 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 5: just so this was not expected. 1191 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,920 Speaker 1: So when the apartment blew up, it wasn't an airplane, right, No, it. 1192 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,560 Speaker 5: Wasn't an airplane. It was marsh across Kimberly Place. 1193 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,520 Speaker 7: I got a picture ship photographs. 1194 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,240 Speaker 4: He's the only one who has these wonderful photographs explosion. 1195 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,880 Speaker 5: Kimberly had wired the building with explosives. Oh and this 1196 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,720 Speaker 5: was another here's something I expected. We had shot this, 1197 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,280 Speaker 5: you know, we built the entire half of the building 1198 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,200 Speaker 5: out in the parking lot, and we had done some 1199 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,439 Speaker 5: small explosions on stage, you know, with windows blowing out, 1200 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 5: and we had air cannons blowing heather or off the 1201 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,840 Speaker 5: balcony or something, and and we didn't. And then we 1202 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 5: went outside and we blew it up and burned it down, 1203 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,280 Speaker 5: and it was all. It was great stuff, and it 1204 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 5: cut together great, and we had the rough cut with 1205 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 5: air and it was wonderful. And I'm on an air 1206 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 5: I'm getting in the airport on my way to vacation 1207 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,800 Speaker 5: during hiatus of this was the third seat end of 1208 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,840 Speaker 5: the third season, before or the fourth, and I look 1209 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 5: up and CNN's got this whole thing on the Murror 1210 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:11,120 Speaker 5: building in the Ooklahoma City just blew up. And I go, oh, 1211 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,600 Speaker 5: first of all, the tragedy of what happened, but then 1212 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 5: I went, oh, my god, we're supposed to air this 1213 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,040 Speaker 5: episode in about three weeks where she blows up a building, 1214 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,360 Speaker 5: and boy, the phone calls started flying between us, and 1215 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,400 Speaker 5: I'm going, I'm going to have to suddenly call everybody 1216 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,520 Speaker 5: back and reshoot a different show. And we ended up 1217 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,960 Speaker 5: instead of blowing it up, then we froze the end 1218 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 5: of the third season on her pushing the button, and 1219 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,840 Speaker 5: then froze it more. It didn't the explosion didn't happen 1220 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,920 Speaker 5: till the beginning of the fourth give every month later, 1221 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,600 Speaker 5: three or four months of you know, decompressing out of 1222 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,200 Speaker 5: that tragedy before we did this. So it's amazing some 1223 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 5: of the things that fate throws your way doing. 1224 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,560 Speaker 3: This and the adjustments you were able to make and 1225 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:57,880 Speaker 3: still have an amazing. 1226 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:00,440 Speaker 7: Did you go in your vacation? 1227 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,440 Speaker 5: I did with the phone's. 1228 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,480 Speaker 4: Phones ringing off the So you've talked about a couple 1229 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 4: of these like stunt scenes and explosions and everything. 1230 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 3: If you were to say like three to five of 1231 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,080 Speaker 3: your like. 1232 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:20,640 Speaker 4: Quintessential Melrose like moments or like things that you're so 1233 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 4: or proud that we were able to achieve, But what 1234 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:24,400 Speaker 4: would they be? 1235 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,640 Speaker 5: Though? That sequence was pretty difficult. Yeah, we appreciated a 1236 01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,200 Speaker 5: lot of had to do days of shooting on that, 1237 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,919 Speaker 5: but I mean, I mean we ran a train into 1238 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,800 Speaker 5: a car. I can't remember on what it was, but 1239 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 5: we went to fillmore I think, and then and had 1240 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,240 Speaker 5: a train coming by it sixty miles an hour plowing 1241 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,040 Speaker 5: into a car we had right outside. We built a 1242 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,560 Speaker 5: whole propane tank for Again I can't remember the episodes, 1243 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,320 Speaker 5: but this we did a great car car chase that 1244 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,560 Speaker 5: ended there and it slid into the propane tank and 1245 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,320 Speaker 5: that I can't remember who was in it. Well, some 1246 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,640 Speaker 5: of the bad guys we killed up started going the 1247 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,600 Speaker 5: arm of the of the hose. It was spraying, proprating 1248 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,840 Speaker 5: out and you know, and then suddenly a spark and 1249 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,680 Speaker 5: the whole thing blows up. And I mean we did 1250 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:10,240 Speaker 5: a lot of that. 1251 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,040 Speaker 6: Will let us know who that was. But was it Billy? 1252 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 5: I think it may have been into the brothers. 1253 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,360 Speaker 6: Johnny knows they've played their brothers. 1254 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:20,960 Speaker 7: That's right. 1255 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,760 Speaker 5: Who was the guy that played the crazy guy on 1256 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:31,280 Speaker 5: the boat with you? I was James Wilder, James Wilder, James. 1257 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,640 Speaker 5: That was the time and the thing. There's another thing 1258 01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,920 Speaker 5: I remember was getting Grant, not in your sequence, I think, 1259 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,080 Speaker 5: but the kaffiy Ireland sequence. We were out shooting night 1260 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 5: work on the Pacific Ocean. This is I mean, there's 1261 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,560 Speaker 5: nothing more difficult than than boat work, because you've got 1262 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 5: a picture boat where you're you're photographing, you've got a 1263 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,000 Speaker 5: camera boat, you've got a lighting boat, you've got a 1264 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,320 Speaker 5: support boat, and everything has to line up. And so 1265 01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:58,920 Speaker 5: you line it up, you get a shot, and then 1266 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,040 Speaker 5: everything's floated. 1267 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,040 Speaker 6: Off and then they have to act night and I. 1268 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,360 Speaker 5: Remember Charlie Carroll was there and usually you're going you know, 1269 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,720 Speaker 5: hurry up, everybody. We're losing the light. You know, we're 1270 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,440 Speaker 5: losing the light. No, we're losing the night. Don as 1271 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,240 Speaker 5: Dona is coming. And we walked this night stuff and 1272 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,360 Speaker 5: we got Grant in the Pacific Ocean falling overboard and 1273 01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,320 Speaker 5: he said, no, let me do I was gonna have 1274 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,760 Speaker 5: a stunt. Guy, let me do it. And he was 1275 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,880 Speaker 5: in the ocean at night in the way. 1276 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,680 Speaker 1: God, I can't believe you did the actual ocean And 1277 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:29,960 Speaker 1: where is it? 1278 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,720 Speaker 7: Paramount has the back with the water. 1279 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,680 Speaker 5: That's that's only if you're standing still and if you're 1280 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,560 Speaker 5: not going to if you want to boat traveling. And 1281 01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,960 Speaker 5: we we had you know, James Wilder, there was a 1282 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:41,840 Speaker 5: shotgun evolved. 1283 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,000 Speaker 6: It was a huge shot season. 1284 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,000 Speaker 5: Is that I can't remember. 1285 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,000 Speaker 6: It was three three It was our big season, so 1286 01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,040 Speaker 6: much ahead of us to stop. Now, I know that 1287 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:55,800 Speaker 6: you were. 1288 01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,000 Speaker 5: Everybody was really game. We got you in the water 1289 01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,600 Speaker 5: a few times the lake. 1290 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,720 Speaker 7: Stay of One, that's what it was hailing. And I 1291 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,320 Speaker 7: was crying. It was hailing. I was crying. 1292 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:06,640 Speaker 6: There were no puppies and. 1293 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,800 Speaker 1: I don't remember who was directing it, but I remember 1294 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,640 Speaker 1: they said okay, and I'm like it is helling Courtney, 1295 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,360 Speaker 1: can you splash your hands so we don't notice the hail. 1296 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:24,000 Speaker 6: So like, oh my god, and then the ship comes 1297 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:24,240 Speaker 6: and goes. 1298 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,640 Speaker 2: Hey, guys were picked up for another years. 1299 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:31,040 Speaker 1: And Loan is crying because I'm crying. So she's trying 1300 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,520 Speaker 1: to touch me up and she's crying. 1301 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:33,600 Speaker 7: I'm crying. 1302 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:38,400 Speaker 5: We had the best crew and Loan and hairdressers was 1303 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:39,360 Speaker 5: who was our hairdresser? 1304 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:40,720 Speaker 3: We had Ril for a while. 1305 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:46,520 Speaker 6: We had Yeah, I can see her yes. 1306 01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:50,720 Speaker 3: Every now and then my memory. 1307 01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1308 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,680 Speaker 5: But they were such a great they were. They were 1309 01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,400 Speaker 5: so good to you guys. And and when they did 1310 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,680 Speaker 5: when they were asked to do something special like Kimberly's 1311 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,720 Speaker 5: vault the scar Boy, they knocked it out of a park. 1312 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,680 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, alone is amazing. She could do anything. Yeah. 1313 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,280 Speaker 3: So here's what I'm finding. 1314 01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,400 Speaker 4: I'm finding that Chip has more memories and more stories 1315 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,200 Speaker 4: than we we need more than one episode. So I 1316 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:21,160 Speaker 4: think we may be having Chipped back because there's so 1317 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,600 Speaker 4: much to talk about. But we did have a lot 1318 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,920 Speaker 4: of fans send in some questions that they were interested in. 1319 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,880 Speaker 4: So maybe we'll try like a lightning round and. 1320 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,160 Speaker 7: We'll get some fan question. 1321 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,880 Speaker 4: Great, can you tell us some casting possibilities that were 1322 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:33,720 Speaker 4: never realized. 1323 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,680 Speaker 5: I partly got into the casting. They just showed up, 1324 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:37,920 Speaker 5: going Hi, I'm here for wardrobe. 1325 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,960 Speaker 1: So did you come that day when Andrew was cast? 1326 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,439 Speaker 1: Were you there at Aeron's that day? 1327 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,280 Speaker 5: Not that day? No, because we were shooting the pilot 1328 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:46,440 Speaker 5: if you remember. 1329 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,200 Speaker 7: That happened on Saturday. 1330 01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,080 Speaker 5: I know, but I had to I had to reorder 1331 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,160 Speaker 5: the whole board because we had to push all of 1332 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,760 Speaker 5: Billy scenes to the end of that Shoe Deutsch, because 1333 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,360 Speaker 5: Howie Deutsch had come to me and said, I said 1334 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,160 Speaker 5: that one scene where where Billie's lifting the toilet seed up, 1335 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:08,920 Speaker 5: uh plot and he shot it like twenty times, Howie, 1336 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,160 Speaker 5: and he came to me and he said, you know, 1337 01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,720 Speaker 5: this guy doesn't seem to be you know, getting it. 1338 01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,240 Speaker 5: And I got on the phone to Duke Vincent and said, Duke, uh, 1339 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,440 Speaker 5: I'm going to rush dailies over to you tomorrow and 1340 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,240 Speaker 5: take a look. And the next thing I know, you know, so. 1341 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,800 Speaker 7: I later he was great, he's not the. 1342 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,400 Speaker 5: Envisioned Yeah, so that's going to be a different question, 1343 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,800 Speaker 5: because you know, I got handed the cast. 1344 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,520 Speaker 3: So you weren't always you weren't in regularly. 1345 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,560 Speaker 5: That was all the way in West La and yeah, yeah. 1346 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,880 Speaker 4: All right, more questions. What was the hardest part of 1347 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:44,840 Speaker 4: I think you've sort of answered it. What was the 1348 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:49,400 Speaker 4: hardest lot of time naturally filming two episodes at the 1349 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,720 Speaker 4: same time. Did you ever did we ever have any 1350 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,200 Speaker 4: like major snaffoos that's like not really. 1351 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 5: I I I ended up because you're dealing with four 1352 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,320 Speaker 5: different assistant directors too, prepping to shooting on that. So 1353 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,760 Speaker 5: I did all the boards myself. I love puzzles. I'm 1354 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,880 Speaker 5: a puzzle guy. So I'd sit down on the floor 1355 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,680 Speaker 5: of my office and I knew so I knew where 1356 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,760 Speaker 5: all the pitfalls might be, and I was trying. I 1357 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,280 Speaker 5: tried to anticipate, you know, what might be a problem 1358 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,000 Speaker 5: here on this double up and then oh but I 1359 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,520 Speaker 5: tried never to if I moved you from one show 1360 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,280 Speaker 5: to another, was because you had to go from stage 1361 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,200 Speaker 5: to stage. Rarely did I say Oxlard to Santa Cloria, 1362 01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,760 Speaker 5: because then you have that unknown of who's going to 1363 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,160 Speaker 5: you know, be early and everybody's gonna be tapping their 1364 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,120 Speaker 5: toes waiting for Laura to. 1365 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,440 Speaker 1: Get here from the It happened sometimes, but rarely, so 1366 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:36,640 Speaker 1: I try to anticipate. 1367 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,040 Speaker 2: That was the episode of the bombing of the building, 1368 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,920 Speaker 2: which was season four episode one, the most expensive and 1369 01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,240 Speaker 2: controversial then. 1370 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,240 Speaker 5: Probably because we spent days on that, and I had 1371 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,440 Speaker 5: to I had to be extra good about my my 1372 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,720 Speaker 5: slush fund because the network never gave us breakage and 1373 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:54,160 Speaker 5: stuff like that. 1374 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,560 Speaker 2: Would they ever give you more when the numbers start 1375 01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,760 Speaker 2: to go and season three were doing so great. 1376 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,760 Speaker 5: The only time they would give you extra money was 1377 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,520 Speaker 5: if you were stunt casting like Priscilla Pressley or Lonnie Anderson, 1378 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,160 Speaker 5: something they could get publicity out of. They would give 1379 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,040 Speaker 5: you extra cast breakage. But but and you know, when 1380 01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,160 Speaker 5: Heather came on board, that was a network network, separate 1381 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,640 Speaker 5: network money. You know, we didn't. We barely could afford you. 1382 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,760 Speaker 5: We had to fire and located to afford you. And 1383 01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,560 Speaker 5: even then I had to, I had to find some 1384 01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,120 Speaker 5: other savings to afford you. Chip. 1385 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,000 Speaker 2: That's funny you bring that up, because I remember calling 1386 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,440 Speaker 2: you because the end of season four, I mean to 1387 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,960 Speaker 2: be honest, I was like, I want, I'll talk to 1388 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,760 Speaker 2: Darren about this, but my storylines were just so much the. 1389 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,960 Speaker 6: Same, and another bad guy, another bad guy, on and 1390 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:39,400 Speaker 6: on and on. 1391 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,480 Speaker 2: But I remember calling you because they didn't call me 1392 01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,680 Speaker 2: back for after that, and I was like, did I 1393 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,720 Speaker 2: do something wrong? Or did you hear my therapist office? 1394 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,800 Speaker 6: Because I was hating. 1395 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,320 Speaker 5: The I was, I was, I was heartbroken. Happen anytime 1396 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,520 Speaker 5: you have questions like that, it always comes down to money. Yeah, 1397 01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,520 Speaker 5: And the network was not It was not generous with 1398 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,560 Speaker 5: you know. I mean we had a moderate budget, but 1399 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,520 Speaker 5: not a big budget, and they kept the thing is, 1400 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,360 Speaker 5: if the writers wanted to bring on two new characters, 1401 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,280 Speaker 5: something else was going to have to change, you know. 1402 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I remember you said, honey, I think you're 1403 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,559 Speaker 2: making more money than anybody said. 1404 01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:23,200 Speaker 5: The problem was like, okay, you had a big bump, 1405 01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,200 Speaker 5: do you if you were to be picked up, your 1406 01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,960 Speaker 5: your your agent made a too good of a deal. 1407 01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:30,759 Speaker 6: What I remember? 1408 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,040 Speaker 5: I just remember it's always money because we loved you. 1409 01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,639 Speaker 5: I loved all of you, and it broke my heart 1410 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,040 Speaker 5: every time one of you left the show. 1411 01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, because after five, a lot of us left, right, 1412 01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,120 Speaker 1: How did that feel it coming back to six? 1413 01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,600 Speaker 5: Well, especially with somebody, you know. I remember it was 1414 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,720 Speaker 5: at the airport, was your last scene, and it was 1415 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,320 Speaker 5: like saying goodbye to you. You were off the gang walking 1416 01:08:54,360 --> 01:09:00,400 Speaker 5: down the airway and I was probably near tears. Five 1417 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,120 Speaker 5: years of working with really fun neat people like you guys, 1418 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:05,880 Speaker 5: it's hard to say goodbye. 1419 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,920 Speaker 2: Yes, And I remember, don't you guys remember the show 1420 01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,720 Speaker 2: really was changing, I mean the cast, and I think 1421 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,080 Speaker 2: it's because the contracts were ending. But season four, at 1422 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:16,840 Speaker 2: the end of four, that was the end of mine. 1423 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,439 Speaker 2: But I was there the whole season. I remember like 1424 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,880 Speaker 2: new characters coming on and people having less of a storyline, 1425 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,280 Speaker 2: and it was they were shifting. 1426 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,760 Speaker 5: Well, it gets tough after you do you know two 1427 01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,800 Speaker 5: hundred hours and Darren had left, and Darren left at 1428 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,639 Speaker 5: the end of three I think, so. 1429 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:32,599 Speaker 6: It was really changing. 1430 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,880 Speaker 5: And yeah, it was that it's tough to keep any 1431 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,080 Speaker 5: show alive. 1432 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:38,360 Speaker 3: Coming up to his stories. 1433 01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,719 Speaker 5: And you know, you're always at your best in season 1434 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,639 Speaker 5: two and three, in any in any series you look at, 1435 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,519 Speaker 5: you'll notice that, you know, season one is where you 1436 01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,360 Speaker 5: got all the kinks out, season two is where you 1437 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,439 Speaker 5: really hit it going. Then by season three you really 1438 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,000 Speaker 5: fired in all cylinders. 1439 01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,600 Speaker 6: And then why don't you change it? 1440 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,559 Speaker 2: Because their contracts are going to be over and the 1441 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,720 Speaker 2: work and Aaron Spelling wants to be ready for to 1442 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:04,240 Speaker 2: keep this. 1443 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:08,799 Speaker 5: Going with bringing new actors with the five year contra, 1444 01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,200 Speaker 5: and you bring them in in season three or four, 1445 01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,080 Speaker 5: and if they work, then you've got somebody you know, 1446 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,760 Speaker 5: that you can afford and pick up. And and then 1447 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,880 Speaker 5: some people we asked, you know, you want to come 1448 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,360 Speaker 5: back and try to make that deal, and some of 1449 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,280 Speaker 5: you just said, now you know, Like I remember, Grant 1450 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,320 Speaker 5: just was like and go was like, ready to get 1451 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,880 Speaker 5: out of this. He's done five years and that's enough. Yeah. No. 1452 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,360 Speaker 1: I tried to make a deal and I had a 1453 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,760 Speaker 1: number in line and they weren't willing to match it, 1454 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,400 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, oh yeah, no, no, no. 1455 01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,240 Speaker 1: It was honestly, I was kind of ready. I thought 1456 01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:42,760 Speaker 1: I would stay for this, and I was ready. But 1457 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,640 Speaker 1: I remember what they did, which is really smart, is 1458 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,679 Speaker 1: once they knew I wasn't coming back, like my character 1459 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,120 Speaker 1: faded into the distance. I remember one episode I wasn't in. 1460 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,280 Speaker 1: It was like, oh, this will be an easy week, 1461 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,240 Speaker 1: Like I wasn't in because they sort of they're they're 1462 01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,519 Speaker 1: focusing obviously on the new characters that are going to 1463 01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,280 Speaker 1: be They don't want it to notice when when I 1464 01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,000 Speaker 1: get on the plane, they're like, we haven't really seen 1465 01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,400 Speaker 1: her anyway. There she goes on blind that's okay, And again. 1466 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,679 Speaker 5: These are I mean, Darren would be able to give 1467 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,639 Speaker 5: you the real ins and outs behind that because I wasn't. 1468 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,559 Speaker 5: You know, I only heard about it second hand about 1469 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,280 Speaker 5: what happened. But it's always money. 1470 01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,160 Speaker 2: But it's so interesting this conversation because here we are, 1471 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:17,600 Speaker 2: you know, artists. 1472 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,760 Speaker 6: This is the nature of this business, is the art 1473 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,000 Speaker 6: and the commerce, and you are coming in. 1474 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,800 Speaker 2: You have a foot in both. You have to meet 1475 01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,680 Speaker 2: those needs and make us all happy too, you know. 1476 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,479 Speaker 2: But this is what acting in this business is. 1477 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,720 Speaker 5: It is and as long as as long as it 1478 01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:35,880 Speaker 5: my job was done, as long as you guys said 1479 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,080 Speaker 5: I can't wait to get off that set. If anybody 1480 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,280 Speaker 5: said that, then I would know I'd failed in my job. 1481 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,120 Speaker 5: And that's all I can do. Very happy. The rest 1482 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:47,959 Speaker 5: of it is, you know, between you, your agent, the network, 1483 01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,400 Speaker 5: and the writers and whether or not a lot of 1484 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,600 Speaker 5: times the writers just say, you know, I don't know 1485 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,280 Speaker 5: where that character is going anymore. And it was mutual. 1486 01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,120 Speaker 5: I mean they're saying, you know, we've kind of our 1487 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,439 Speaker 5: brains can't come up with new stuff, so we want 1488 01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:02,200 Speaker 5: to have fresh. 1489 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,599 Speaker 1: That it never happened with Sydney because they just do something crazy, make. 1490 01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:14,519 Speaker 5: Us want me to become that cult stuff cult. That 1491 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:19,560 Speaker 5: was the coldest shooting, shooting that cult stuff where we 1492 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,400 Speaker 5: were in the mountains. It was in like the middle 1493 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,920 Speaker 5: of February, and it was that was that was when 1494 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,439 Speaker 5: I started having mister Cappuccino show up every night on 1495 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,200 Speaker 5: because it was so freaking cold up there. 1496 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,760 Speaker 1: When we had Thomas on, they were talking about like 1497 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,559 Speaker 1: a hot string. 1498 01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,599 Speaker 4: Okay, so she was yes, So the hot the hot 1499 01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:42,719 Speaker 4: springs hot space. 1500 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the hot Springs place. I love that. 1501 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,519 Speaker 4: That's part of what Chip has brought is he's got 1502 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:48,559 Speaker 4: some snapshots, he's. 1503 01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,479 Speaker 2: Got some receipts that it wasn't like some cleazy, old, 1504 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,680 Speaker 2: dirty clarified tell us all about that. 1505 01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,360 Speaker 5: We were wherever the mountains were there and we found 1506 01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:02,559 Speaker 5: the spot. We dug a hole with a bulldozer and 1507 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:08,000 Speaker 5: lined it with blackfist green plastic days before, days before, 1508 01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:13,960 Speaker 5: and filled it with water, chlorinated water that had been 1509 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,360 Speaker 5: tinted so that you couldn't see the plastic to the one, 1510 01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,280 Speaker 5: and we heated it for two days. We had portable 1511 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,960 Speaker 5: heaters and filters. So when you said it was just awful. 1512 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:28,000 Speaker 5: It was dirty, filthy filters. 1513 01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,200 Speaker 4: I absolutely corrected, it was not filthy. 1514 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,599 Speaker 6: It was Thomas who was bothering Thomas. 1515 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,200 Speaker 3: Thomas claims not to remember it at all. 1516 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:41,200 Speaker 5: It was the date on that is, February something ninety 1517 01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:45,280 Speaker 5: four and it was cold. So I created this war, 1518 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:45,800 Speaker 5: made a. 1519 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,920 Speaker 6: Nice heart that looked out in the nowhere like there 1520 01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,479 Speaker 6: you go it. Yeah, this is how good you took 1521 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:54,040 Speaker 6: care of us. 1522 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,639 Speaker 5: I mean your acts happy. 1523 01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,479 Speaker 4: I had a shower in the trailer after words, like 1524 01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,360 Speaker 4: cleaning off and get I was well taken care of. 1525 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,720 Speaker 5: You've got to keep it was so good, it was 1526 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,519 Speaker 5: like a happy shows. 1527 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,599 Speaker 4: Well, we have loved having you, and we give you 1528 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,960 Speaker 4: full permission to call us anytime we get something wrong. 1529 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,400 Speaker 4: We know that we're going to invoke your name again. 1530 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:23,240 Speaker 5: We're always be a reference. That's I've never even opened 1531 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:23,679 Speaker 5: that count. 1532 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:28,240 Speaker 1: Were you listening when Colleen found the Mellow's place perfume? 1533 01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:29,720 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I heard that. 1534 01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:36,120 Speaker 3: The most obscure but thank you so much for bringing. 1535 01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,880 Speaker 1: Oh we can't even wait when it starts to get diceier. 1536 01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,519 Speaker 5: We started this experience for me too. I'm watching them 1537 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,760 Speaker 5: just as you guys are doing the podcast and so 1538 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,559 Speaker 5: I haven't seen this in thirty two years, so they're 1539 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,639 Speaker 5: I'm finding all sorts of surprises. I know. Yeah, it's 1540 01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:58,680 Speaker 5: really fun and we. 1541 01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,880 Speaker 4: Hope that our listeners are watching the episodes to watching 1542 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:02,960 Speaker 4: along with us and thank you. 1543 01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,240 Speaker 2: So we want everyone don't forget to follow us at 1544 01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,640 Speaker 2: Still the Place on Instagram and Facebook and work are 1545 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,920 Speaker 2: you TikTok Still the Place and then to download and 1546 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,840 Speaker 2: lead us leave us some reviews on our podcast. 1547 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,160 Speaker 4: And thanks so much for coming to our very special 1548 01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,880 Speaker 4: interview episode with Chip Haye 1549 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,320 Speaker 6: Than thanks Chip,