1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: I think normal, like the show with normalis takes to win, 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: the news gets weird. I have many Catherine, and. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: I'm Carol Mark Wins. Is this the weekend? Yet it 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: feels like should we be again? 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: I don't think it's even and. 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: This is like a really long week, and I don't. 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: I don't know why. I just maybe the news is 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: again NonStop and so much going on. You know, I 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: was thinking about this as we were discussing our topics today. 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: We're not even going to talk about that. Trump said 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: that Ukraine could win the war against Russia as a 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: side yesterday. I liked the entire maybe I'll get it 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 2: like next week, but not today, in. 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: The entire speech at the you in General Assembly, which 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: would have been a two week story like ten years ago. 16 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: But we'll get right at some point. 17 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: Right, we're not even We're not even getting into it 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: because there's so much. 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: Other news goodness. 20 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: I think that one of the biggest stories that doesn't 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: feel like a big story is that Google has admitted 22 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: that the Biden administration and pressured them to shut down 23 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: various YouTube accounts, including that of FBI Deputy Director Dan Bengino, 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: White House counter Terrorism chief Sebastian Gorka, it's really kind 25 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: of crazy, So Google, This is from Fox. Google detailed 26 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: it's remarkable shift in a document first obtained by Fox 27 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: News Digital that a lawyer for the company provided to 28 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: the House to just share a committee the new policy 29 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: from Google could affect both average users and well known figures. 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: The document included a section about the Biden administration and 31 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: said the White House officials at the time pushed Google 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: behind the scenes to remove perceived information related to COVID nineteen. Now, 33 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: why this is not a huge story is because we 34 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: all knew this. We knew it, We knew that this 35 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: was happening. This confirmation is very good because we could 36 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: point to it and be like, look, we were right 37 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: once again. But it doesn't feel new. We all knew it, 38 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: we were right. 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: Well. 40 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: The other reason it's not a big story is because 41 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: much of the media thinks that this was the right decision, 42 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: This was right good, this. 43 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: Was a good censorship. 44 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jim Jim Clyburne, a representative a Democrat representative, 45 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: said as much on Abby Phillips's show on CNN. She 46 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: strangely did not interrupt him while he was skewing his 47 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: own misinformation about how it's good to shut people down 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: for misinformation, which, by the way, we now know was 49 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: not in misinformation much. Right, Right, we were right, We 50 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: were all right about so many things. Yeah, I think 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: this should be a giant deal. I have been consistent 52 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: in saying that the head of the SEC should not 53 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: be job owning. Is the term which is I was. 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: Gonna say, is this job owning? Because I only learned 55 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: the word job owning that everybody's using like in every 56 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: other sentence, like two days ago, is this job owning? 57 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 3: Term? 58 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: Job owning is for when the government publicly threatens or 59 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: pressures a private entity to make decisions that would limit 60 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: people's speech. 61 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: Right. 62 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: We know that the Biden administration was engaged in this 63 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: four years. And not only were they engaged in it 64 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: against both misinformation, which is obviously allowed and true information 65 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: which was you know, detrimental to people's knowledge base on COVID, 66 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: but they did it on the Internet and social media, 67 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: where they have absolutely no plausible place or power for regulation. Now, 68 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: the SEC does have regulation powers over broadcast networks, right, 69 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: so that's. 70 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: Don't understand that distinction. 71 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a slight difference here. I still don't think 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: Brendan Carr should be doing that. But there is a 73 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: slight difference in that there's no plausible place where they 74 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: have power to do this. But of course this is 75 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like the medium mostly 76 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: agrees with the Biden administration. They think it was wise 77 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: or that it just had you know, at least they 78 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: were doing it for the right reasons. I mean sometimes 79 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: people explicitly say that. Derek, I believe it was. Derek 80 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: Thompson wrote that just the other day. It was like, 81 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, at least they had good reasons for doing 82 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: It'm like, no, no, no. 83 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: No, no, lot the reasons for doing it. 84 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: Hello, not how we evaluate these things. But yeah, it 85 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: had really deleterious effects on people. People lost money from this, 86 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: By the way, Where can they go sue them and 87 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: get the money back that they would have made from 88 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: these channels, because they should because they're like, we're reinstating 89 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: your channels, Great, where's my money? 90 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. The years have lost money and look, not 91 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: everybody got to have a career after that. A lot 92 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: of people that you've never heard of lost their channels 93 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: and that's it for them. They didn't go on to 94 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: administration jobs. They didn't go on to fame and fortune elsewhere. 95 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: Some of them just quietly disappeared and lost the money 96 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: that they were making from their channel. It's look, are 97 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: we still mad bro about the COVID years? Yes, But 98 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: what's particularly galling here is that, you know, there's so 99 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: little conversation about this on the left. They're not doing 100 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: any soul searching. And this always makes me crazy because 101 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: there's so many people on the right who are like, 102 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: I don't like what happened to Jimmy Kimmel. I'm not 103 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 2: one of them. By the way we talked about this, 104 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't see a problem here. But a 105 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: lot of people on the right did see a problem 106 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: and spoke out about it. You just don't see that 107 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: kind of thing on the left at all. And that's 108 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: why the COVID years do still matter to us so much, 109 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: because they won't admit what happened. They won't talk about 110 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: the shutdowns of speech, they won't talk about the misinformation 111 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: that was actually correct. All of that leaves me with 112 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: bitterness forever. 113 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and if you play this unequal game for 114 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: too long and the other side never admits error or 115 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: backs down, and you're consistent the whole time. This is 116 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: the part of the argument from folks like you that 117 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm very friendly to. It's like, how does that work out? 118 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: Exactly right? 119 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: Right now? 120 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: The one side gets this, Yes, exactly. 121 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: Greg Lukianov, who runs fire which I like, occasionally slightly 122 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: disagree with on some things, but largely think they're they're 123 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: good and consistent, he writes, The maddening thing is that 124 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: if Google had chosen to stand up to the Biden 125 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: administration's job owning, they definitely would have gotten standing, and 126 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: I believe they would have won. Instead, we got the 127 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: terrible Mrthy v. Missouri decision, in which I do think 128 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: there was more than enough evidence to get standing, but 129 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: I digress. That was the important case on this kind 130 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: of thing, that the court decided that the folks who 131 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: were censored did not have standing. Again, I disagree with 132 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: him as well. Right, instead of a resounding rebuke to 133 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: the idea that the government can make private companies censor 134 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: speech that it is forbidden from censoring under the First Amendment, 135 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: we still need that decision, O, Titans of Silicon Valley. 136 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: So the next time your job owned, consider suing with 137 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: us with us. Okay, agree with Greg on this, And also, 138 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: isn't the problem for conservatives over and over again that 139 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: the government and the corporations are happy to work together 140 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: when it's for the right reason. 141 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 142 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: The only reason they're coming out now is because they 143 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: were invested by investigating by Republicans in Oversight Committee. And 144 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: now they're like, ooh, we're on the wrong side of 145 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: things now, right, They just they just basically agreed the 146 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: censorship was okay. Yeah, So how do we get rid 147 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: of that part? Yeah? 148 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, all of that is really tough to swallow. 149 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: And I don't know how we move forward from this, 150 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: because yes, they're all falling into line now now that 151 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: there's a Trump administration, now that there's investigations. It shouldn't 152 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: have to be that way, And I just I don't 153 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: know where we go from here. 154 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: I really don't. And when it's after the fact, the 155 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: entire media can go snooze, y'all. Yeah, it's an old story, 156 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: old news story. 157 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Brian Stelter is not working about this for 158 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: some reason. 159 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that's not in his not in his 160 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: newsletter this week. 161 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: No, probably not want to. I want to give a 162 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: shout out speaking of COVID to a new documentary that's 163 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: out called Fifteen Days The Real Story of America's Pandemic 164 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: School Closures if you want to get all riled up. 165 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: But also I think it's important to have that kind 166 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: of stuff, go into the history of what happened. And 167 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: I just think that they lied to us, they kept 168 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: things from us, they shut down speech they didn't agree with, 169 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: and we have to move forward, but we have to 170 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: remember what happened. 171 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course while this is all happening, everybody's 172 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: very angry about the current free speech story, which isn't 173 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: that a person was killed in the act of debating 174 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: on a college campus, but is that Jimmy Kimmel was 175 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: off of work for several days. 176 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, for Jimmy. 177 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: As I have said, I think the government did the 178 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: wrong thing here by open and it's big old trap. However, 179 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: I want to go through Kimmel's monologue, but before we 180 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: get to that, I want to play a little clip 181 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: first from Ryan Long, who's a comedian who's very clever 182 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: and based is probably the word for him, and good 183 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: at sort of making front of woke things and conventional 184 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: lefty wisdom. And I just want to play this real 185 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: quick clip because it embodies how I feel, as a 186 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: consistent free speech person about these moments. 187 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 5: I had a friend she came up to me and 188 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 5: she was like, isn't it crazy? The free speech is gone. 189 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 5: I'm like, you supported every guy get kicked off of 190 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 5: everything for ten years. It feels like a friend that 191 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 5: was like an alcoholic for eight years and just a menace, 192 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 5: then coming back to the party after one day sober 193 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 5: and being like, you guys need to get your life together, 194 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 5: and you're like what. 195 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: You're like, I'm like, you came. 196 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 5: To my wedding and shit on the game, and the 197 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 5: only reason you're not an alcoholic anymore is because. 198 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: Of the ankle bracelet. 199 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 5: What are we talking about right now? 200 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? 201 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. 202 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: No, that's That's how I feel about many of these folks, 203 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: including Kimmel, who, by the way, was happy to join 204 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: in with cancelations of others with advocacy for censorship of 205 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: others as long as they were for the right reasons, 206 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: which are the less reasons obviously. Okay, So I listened 207 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: to his entire monologue You're welcome everyone seventeen minutes. It 208 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: opens with the same line that Trump opened with when 209 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: he returned triumphantly after almost being assassinated in Butler, He says, 210 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: as I was with his like as I was saying 211 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: before I was. 212 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: Okay. 213 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: First of all, that was a great line from Trump 214 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: into Cribbit is yeah, lady. Also, it makes light of 215 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: an assassination attempt by equating it with returning to give 216 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: a comedy monologue. Okay, So there's that. That's how he opens. 217 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: Four minutes in he thanks some people who are consistent 218 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: free speech folks, Clay Travis, ted Cruz among them, people 219 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: who he says, it took courage for them to say 220 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: that the administration had done the wrong thing on this 221 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: courage that, notably Kimmel does not. 222 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: Have, does not have right completely, does not possess that courage. 223 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: No, he's He's happy to jump on any bandwagon during 224 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: the Biden administration on any of these issues. By the way, 225 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: can we just reflect on the fact that Jimmy Kimmel, 226 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: of all people of man show and repeated black face 227 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: now passed was never canceled before, Like right, yeah, amazing 228 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: he made it through that, Okay, Sam Pinolegiell. So six 229 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: minutes in we get this, which is his attempt at 230 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: an apology about the whole thing. I think we have 231 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: a little clip of it. 232 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 6: I don't think what I have to say is going 233 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 6: to make much of a difference. If you like me, 234 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 6: you like me. If you don't, you don't. I have 235 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 6: no illusions about changing anyone's mind. But I do want 236 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 6: to make something clear because it's important to me as 237 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 6: a human and that is you understand that it was 238 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 6: never my intention to make light of the murder of 239 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 6: a young man. 240 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: I don't. 241 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 6: I don't think there's anything funny about it. I posted 242 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 6: a message on Instagram of the daves killed, sending love 243 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 6: to his family and asking for compassion, and I meant it. 244 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 2: I still do. 245 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 6: Nor was it my intention to blame any specific group 246 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 6: for the actions of what it was obviously a deeply 247 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 6: disturbed individual. That was really the opposite of the point 248 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 6: I was trying to make. But I understand that to 249 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 6: some that felt either ill timed or unclear, or maybe both. 250 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 6: And for those who think I did point a finger, 251 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 6: I get why you're upset. If the situation was reversed, 252 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 6: there's a good chance I'd have felt the same way. 253 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 6: I have many friends and family members on the other side, 254 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 6: who I love remain close to, even though we don't agree. 255 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 2: On politics at all. 256 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 6: I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone. 257 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 6: This was a sick person who believed violence was a 258 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 6: solution and it isn't it ever? 259 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I mean his friends and family on the 260 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,479 Speaker 2: right have heard him blame Republican voters for school shootings. 261 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: I just I'm sure he has people on the right 262 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: in his life, but he has said horrendous things about 263 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: our side. 264 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: Also, I don't appreciate an apology that is like, I'm 265 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: sorry you felt if. 266 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: You if you feel if you're mad, then. 267 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you misheard me. The sentence was very clear. 268 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: I think people are gaslighting by telling you it meant 269 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: something other than what it meant. The truth is that 270 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: he was trying to critique the right for hoping it 271 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: was anyone but them, when what he was doing in 272 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: that sentence was trying to create a fiction in which 273 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: it was but his people. He continues that fiction in 274 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: this monologue by saying he didn't represent anything. That's not true. 275 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: That's not true. What Kimmel is doing is owning for 276 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: himself and I agree with him that his benching was 277 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: a speech issue, but he will not allow that Charlie 278 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: Kirk's murder is a free speech issue. He will not 279 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: allow it. He says that stands for nothing. That was 280 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: just violence. 281 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: Right. 282 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: He does not take a moment to be like, hey, 283 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: it's really important that he be able to do what 284 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: he was doing. I think it's important I do what 285 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing, But like this man doesn't get to go 286 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: home to his family now. He later goes on to 287 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: note that satire is a very important part of an 288 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: especially important part of American speech and political speech and 289 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: protected speech right. He never mentions that debate is a 290 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: very important protected part of American free speech culture. Then 291 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: he mentions a bunch of things we can all come 292 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: together about as a country, including that he shouldn't be benched. 293 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: What those unmentioned is we could come together to agree 294 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: that Charlie Kirk should not be murdered for saying thoughts 295 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: on campus. So, in this way, he has made himself 296 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: the only free speech martyr. 297 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, the only. 298 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: Free speech martyer of the week. And I just think 299 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: it's trashy, it's vile, and this is why he will 300 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: never be a teammate on this right. 301 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, he can't be trusted to defend free speech. 302 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: He could only be trusted to defend himself. 303 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: Also, one more thing, he has cried on television many 304 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: more times than I have in my entire career, and 305 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: I have had much more, better, many more better reasons 306 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: to cry than this man has. So I would just ask, 307 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: in the age of the crying selfie, cut. 308 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: It out, get it together. I want to just add 309 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: one more thing. Dave Portnoy has been I think, very 310 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: very good on this, and he tweets here's my last 311 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: point on Kimmel. If Kimmel came on and apologize like 312 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: this the day after his remarks, he probably wouldn't have 313 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: been suspended. But by all accounts, he wanted to double 314 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: down again for the billions time. This isn't a free 315 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: speech issue. He works for Mickey Mouse on Network TV. 316 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: Nobody said he was going to jail. He was dealing 317 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: with the consequences of making off color jokes about the 318 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: murder of a guy who meant a ton to a 319 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: ton of people and blamed it on the very people 320 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: who love him the most before the body was even cold. 321 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, there was outrage that Mickey had to deal with. 322 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: Then the pendulum swung the other way and they put 323 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: him back on the air. Either way, it was never 324 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: a free speech issue. When you work for somebody else 325 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: and you offend a ton of people, you deal with 326 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: the consequences. Him framing this as free speech as a joke. 327 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: By the way, look. 328 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: At him going Dave Portney. 329 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: And by the way, is no one concerned at all 330 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: that ABC made its decision after an ABC affiliate had 331 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: been shot at by a person who explicitly wanted Kimmel 332 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: back on the air. Because that seems like it should 333 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: be a big story, and we should. 334 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: Interrogate the job owning. 335 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: I don't know, well, we should interrogate the notion just 336 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: as cars talking might have put pressure that the shooting 337 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: might have put pressure on ABC. And then one last thing, 338 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: of course, this terrible California house member or state legislature remember, 339 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: always is like popping off about stuff. And he's like, 340 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: we got to take away Sinclair's ability to broadcast, which 341 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: is the affiliates want to not they want to opt 342 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: out of Kimmel. Elizabeth Warren the other Democratic lawmakers have 343 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: launched an investigation into next Star and Sinclair, two major 344 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: TV station owners that are refusing to air Jimmy Kimmel's 345 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: talk show because now you see, it's job owning for 346 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: the right reasons. 347 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: It's okay when they do it. 348 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: It's okay when they do it. And she wants to 349 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: shut up Sinclair and Next Star and not let them 350 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: have freedom of association or freedom show. The free speech. 351 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: Warriors and the left who woke up this last week 352 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: are going to be putting it all over their Instagram stories. 353 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, they're very principled about that. I can see 354 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: it coming. It's gonna be the next Kimmel monologue, which 355 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: I will not be watching me neither. 356 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with Moron normally, where we will 357 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 2: talk governments shut down, and how fun polls have gotten lately. 358 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: But first, it was nearly two years ago that terrorists 359 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: murdered more than twelve hundred innocent Israelis and took two 360 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty hostages. Today it seems as if the 361 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: cries of the dead and dying have been drowned out 362 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 1: by shouts of anti Semitic hatred. The most brutal attack 363 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: on Jewish people since the Holocaust is in danger of 364 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: being forgotten in a lot of sectors. Yet as the 365 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: world looks away, a light shines in the darkness. It's 366 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: a movement of love and support for the people of 367 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: Israel that I know you guys are going to want 368 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: to get involved with, called Flags of Fellowship and it's 369 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: organized by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. On 370 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: October fifth, just a few weeks away, millions of Americans 371 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag in honor and solidarity 372 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: with the victims of October seventh, twenty twenty three. And 373 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: they're grieving families. And now you can be a part 374 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: of it too. To get more information about how you 375 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the Fellowship 376 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: online at IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ dot org. Check 377 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: it out. We're back with normally right after this. Oh righty, 378 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: we are back on normally. Let's talk about the government 379 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: shutdown because we have to do this periodically, because the government. 380 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: Can we just partting to shut down periodically? 381 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 2: Can't we just play what we said six months ago? 382 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: Or no? Nah, it's like a slightly friend every time. 383 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 2: A little bit different each time. Right, It's like, here's 384 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 2: the thing. 385 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: I wish they would do their jobs before the deadline. 386 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: But as a person who's never done a job before 387 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: a deadline, I must have sympathy for this. 388 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I actually I also think we said this 389 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: last time. 390 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have some sympathy. Yeah, here's what's happening, 391 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: and I just want to give you guys a little 392 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: preview of the fight that's going to go down. So 393 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: I believe September thirtieth is the date by which there 394 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: needs to be a continuing resolution to continue the funding 395 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: of the government. It would be short term. The House 396 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: has passed one. The House has passed what is called, 397 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: with Republicans in charge, a clean CR. That means there's 398 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: nothing else in it. They're just like, let's just do this. 399 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: We can all get on the same page that the 400 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: government needs to continue to be funded for this short 401 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: period of time. We will argue again later. Here's the 402 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: clean CR. Pass it in the Senate. We shall be done. Okay, 403 00:20:58,920 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: that's where we are right now. 404 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: That's very diligent of them. 405 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: It actually sounds like the thing democrats and everyone in 406 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: the press asks for time what so Yeah, so houses like, okay, 407 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: we'll do that. Democrats in the Senate have decided that 408 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: they want to add to the clean CR, thereby making 409 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: it dirty, dirty, dirty CR, a dirty CR. They have 410 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: decided they want to add an extension of COVID era 411 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: Obamacare subsidies that were giant extra subsidies that were part 412 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: of one of one of many slush funds created during 413 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: COVID under alleged emergency conditions that we didn't really need 414 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: and that are basically fraudulent and in fact raise everyone's premiums, 415 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: because why when people don't have to pay for premiums 416 00:21:55,119 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: and you're subsidizing them, your costs go up. So they 417 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: approved these during COVID they put an expiration date on them. 418 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: That expiration date is this year, so. 419 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 2: They'll put a date so far into the future. They 420 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 2: were just like, we'll figure out how to deal with 421 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: this by then. 422 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: Well, and now their argument is fix our problem we 423 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: made for ourselves. And Republicans are like, no, you have 424 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: a clean CR. We know you want to continue these subsidies, 425 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: which are billions of dollars in handouts to insurance companies, 426 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: but we never voted for them. We don't want them. 427 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: This is not our job. Take it up with someone else. 428 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: And they're like, you're making a healthcare crisis. So that's 429 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: where we stand at the moment. 430 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: Can Republicans fight back on this or will they ultimately 431 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: fold just to get the cr through. 432 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: I think they can fight this effectively. And that's why 433 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm sort of staging it for you guys, because I 434 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: think it's important to understand what they're doing here, because 435 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: they're saying healthcare cuts, right, Well, there's not a cut. 436 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: This is a program that was superfluous to begin with, right, 437 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: went mostly to insurance companies. Because, by the way, can 438 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: I just point out speaking of things we were right 439 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: about that, we've been right about Obamacare the whole time, Yeah, 440 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: which is that premiums would go up, the risk pools 441 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: would get worse, things would cost more, care would get worse, 442 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: coverage would get worse. Have to keep throwing money at it. 443 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: And that's what they're doing. And they're afraid that on 444 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: October first, when the insurance companies are required by law 445 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: by Obamacare, their original failure to send out their notices 446 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: that say your premiums are going up, right, that that's 447 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: going to be a problem for them. Yeah, I think 448 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: you're trying to prevent it by making us do it. 449 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's getting so far away from the Obama years 450 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: that are people even going to connect it to Obamacare? 451 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. 452 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure either, And these things can get so muddied. 453 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: And look, Ocrats are really good at just saying crisis, crisis, crisis, 454 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: They want to end everything. But I would encourage everyone 455 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: to remember that basically any Biden era program approved as 456 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: part of IRA or Save whatever Saves America Act or 457 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: whatever they were all called are mostly slush funds and 458 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: nonsense to put us on a higher spending level that 459 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: then Democrats could claim we can never come down from 460 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: and therefore get all that money for the future. 461 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: Right, all of them are named, Yeah, all of them 462 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: are named like not a slush fund, we promise bill. 463 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: So they made their own problem. They want Republicans to 464 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: solve it, and Republicans are like, pass, no, you guys 465 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: are going to have to deal with this. So in 466 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: the Senate, that's the the game board as it is. 467 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: They want to have a meeting with Schumer wants a 468 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: meeting with Trump, and Trump's like, why we gave you 469 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: a clean cr and they're like, a ha, see he 470 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: won't go with us. What dude, you got the thing? 471 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, I hope he sticks to that. I hope 472 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 2: he doesn't negotiate, because it sounds like Republicans are for 473 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 2: the first time in forever in a winning situation where 474 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: they have done the right thing. I like that. 475 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll probably fight each other over the cr anyway. 476 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: I guess it's different, but that is where we stand 477 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: at the moment. 478 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: All right, we'll be right back with more on Normally, 479 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 2: where we preview twenty twenty eight, talk about the latest 480 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: polls and Kamala Gavin, what's going on with them? Let's 481 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 2: talk about it. All right. We are back on Normally 482 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: with a fun little segment where we get to enjoy 483 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: the Democrats disarray and look, we know it's not going 484 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: to last. We know it won't always be this way, 485 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: but polls have been so much fun lately. Every poll 486 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 2: that comes out, it's like, who even are the Democrats? 487 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 2: Do they even exist? The latest Reuters has which party 488 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: has a better plan on crime? Republicans are up by twenty. Immigration, 489 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: Republicans are up by eighteen, Foreign conflicts Republicans are up 490 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 2: by twelve. Economy Republicans are up by ten. Corruption Republicans 491 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: are up by six. Gun control, Gun control Republicans are 492 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: up by four. Political extremism Republicans are up by four. 493 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: The only things Democrats are up on for a better 494 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: plan are environment, women's rights, healthcare, and respect for democracy. 495 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 2: And that's fine with me. 496 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is this is probably an indication, 497 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: by the way of why they're going after healthcare messaging 498 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: on the CR is that they're trying to submit that 499 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: for next year as they're winning issue, that they're going 500 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: to harp on this even though most of it is 501 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: made up, but it is, you know, one of the 502 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: few places that they outperform Republicans. Those numbers are tragic 503 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: if you crap right. 504 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 2: And even like women's rights, how are they even up 505 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: thirteen points on women's rights? When was the last time 506 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: they cared about women's rights at all? I know it's 507 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 2: just code for abortion, I get it, but wow, do 508 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 2: they not care about women's rights? And if Republicans were 509 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 2: better at messaging about it, and you know, maybe Erica 510 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 2: Kirk gives Republicans the kick that they need to become 511 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: better messengers on women's rights, I think things could even 512 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 2: turn around on that. 513 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, on that subject, by the way, Spanberger, who I 514 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: keep referencing, But she's important because she's running in Virginia 515 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: for governor and she is the great normy hope for Democrats. 516 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: She was once again asked about boys in women's locker 517 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: rooms or boys in women's sports and couldn't give a 518 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: straight answer because even though it's the most normal position 519 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: you can have, she can't do it. 520 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she runs away because she doesn't want to 521 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: be on the record answering, which she really thinks, and 522 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 2: that's sad empathetic. 523 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think part of the problem might be 524 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: that these folks just sound like freaked out weirdos all 525 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,959 Speaker 1: the time, and like, look, I concede that Donald Trump 526 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: is a weirdo, but he's an entertaining weirdo, and that 527 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: has made all the difference. 528 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: He is hilarious, and every time I hear him, he 529 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: is just He's got a very good natural sense of humor. 530 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 2: And I don't think Democrats can emulate that as well 531 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: as they think they can. 532 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: Andvin Newsom certainly cannot. 533 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsome, he's funny without meaning to be, Like you know, 534 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: apparently Kamala asked him for an endorsement the day that 535 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: Biden stepped down and he wrote to her, I think 536 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: we talked about this last episode, but Hiking will respond later, 537 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: and then never responded. I mean, that's hilarious, but I 538 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: don't think he was trying. 539 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: To be I've definitely done that to people before, but 540 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't over something that important. Shall we listen to 541 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's pitch about why twenty twenty eight is important. 542 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: The most important election I'm sure of our lifetime. 543 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear about it. 544 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 5: I fear that we will not have an election in 545 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight. 546 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: I really mean that. 547 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: And the core of my soul unless we wake up 548 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: to the code red what's happening in this country, and 549 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: we wake up soberly to how serious this moment is. 550 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: The core of his soul? What soul? What's sould? 551 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: Also, then why are you in South Carolina? 552 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: Dude? 553 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: Right? Well, what are you doing? You don't believe that 554 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: there won't be a twenty twenty eight election? 555 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: Right, You're just. 556 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: Full of it. And I don't understand why this apocalyptic 557 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: pitch is the only one they can do. It's crazy 558 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: one they can do. 559 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, if they're not going to lower 560 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: the temperature at ever, now would be a really good 561 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: time for that, and they're completely disinterested in doing that. 562 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: Noah Rothman tweets about that clip. That's why he staffed 563 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: out with Clinton and Harris Aids, who have little experience 564 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: in Sacramento and doing speaking tours in South Carolina, which 565 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: has almost no competitive races in twenty twenty six, because 566 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: he's sure there won't be an election. Maybe it's insurance 567 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: just in case. Yeah, he knows what will be an election. 568 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: And look Trump, you know, for better or worse, it 569 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: could have at different points in his last presidency canceled 570 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 2: elections or on January sixth, after January six refused to 571 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: leave the White House. He didn't do any of that. 572 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: So I'm pretty confident we're going to have a twenty 573 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: twenty eight election. Another tweet that I liked about this, 574 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: per Deep Shankar tweets, these are the kinds of unsupported, 575 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: politically charged statements that make mentally unstable wackle progressive terrorists 576 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 2: consider violence exactly. 577 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: It does seem like an issue. Also, are you not 578 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: doing voter suppression by telling them that there will be 579 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: no voting? 580 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: Right? 581 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like you're on voters. Yeah, I guess, 582 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: but I don't understand this approach because there are people 583 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: on the margins who will go Why would I register 584 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: to vote? He said, there's going to be no twenty 585 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: twenty eight election. Yeah, are you doing this to yourself? 586 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: Had a moment where I was worried they were doing 587 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 2: this to themselves in you know, in the during the 588 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: Biden administration, and when i'd be on the road for 589 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: speeches and stuff, I'd have people come up to me 590 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: and say, I don't think there's a point in voting. 591 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: They're they're going to steal it anyway. And I'd be like, yo, 592 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: go vote. Don't don't think this because you know. 593 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: Well Trump Trump famously in the runoff with the with 594 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: the two Senate seats in Georgia. 595 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, since I was a messenger. 596 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: And turned Georgia Senate seats blue right, so you can 597 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: tell people that their votes don't matter and they might 598 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: believe you. So you shouldn't do that. 599 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: He's tone that down, he really has. He's become like, definitely, 600 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: go vote guy. 601 00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: So yes, so we've corrected that particular messaging problem. I 602 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: don't know why they're doing it to themselves. Yeah. 603 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: So on our last last person we're going to talk 604 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: about in this segment, Kamala Harris. Her book is more 605 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: interesting than I thought it'd be, not a lot more interesting, 606 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: but a touch more interesting. She is taking it to Biden. 607 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: How dare he not step down? In advance? She tears 608 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: into her husband for not doing enough for her birthday. 609 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: She's she's got some grievances and you know it's festivus. 610 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: So I mean, like that part's entertaining. I guess she 611 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: has a She has an interesting quality of being simultaneously 612 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: extremely cringe and uncompelling at the same time because you're 613 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: just listening to slop of words and you don't but like, 614 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: some of this is like medium interesting. The problem for 615 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: the party is that it has no answers, right, There's 616 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: there's no answer as to why she was the person 617 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: and didn't get it done. Why none of it's her fault, 618 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: As I think Dave Weigel put it, it's all mistakes 619 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: made by other people years ago that hurt her. And 620 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but you you were supposed to be 621 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: the one who wanted to be president, right, you didn't 622 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: say anything about those mistakes. 623 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 2: At all at the time about how like Biden was like, 624 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: Now you're like, oh, when I hugged him, he seemed 625 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 2: really feeble, Like you could have mentioned something at the time. 626 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have seven days because of that. Yes, we 627 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: have one comal oclip of her talking about her uh, 628 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: her journey on whether she should pick Pete Budajenje for VP. 629 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: Here it is. 630 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 3: You know, you're the first woman elected vice president, You're 631 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 3: a black woman and a South Asian woman elected that 632 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 3: high office, very nearly elected president. To say that he 633 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 3: couldn't be on the ticket effectively because he was gay, 634 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 3: it's hard to hear. 635 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 4: No, No, that's not what I said that that's that 636 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 4: he couldn't be on the ticket because he is gay. 637 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 4: My point, as I write in the book, is that 638 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 4: I was clear that, you know, one hundred and seven 639 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 4: days in one of the most hotly contested elections for 640 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 4: president and United States against someone like Donald Trump, who 641 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 4: knows no floor, to be a black woman running for 642 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 4: president United States and as a vice presidential running mate 643 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 4: a gay man, with the stakes being so high, it 644 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 4: made me very sad, but I also realized it would 645 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 4: be a real risk. 646 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,919 Speaker 2: It wasn't that hotly contested. Trump won every single swing state. 647 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: That's important because how much more could she lose? Like 648 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 2: with a gay man on the ticket, where's her bottom 649 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 2: on this? 650 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: Well, also she says, no, no, no, I didn't say 651 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: I didn't hire him because he was gay. I said 652 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: I didn't hire him because the stakes were too high 653 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: for him to be gay. 654 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 655 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well that's the same thing. You know, 656 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: it takes a real special person to just straight up 657 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: torpedo the whole DEI thing they have going on. That 658 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: she so the liability to do the de I thing 659 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: to begin with at this point in time, and then 660 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: to continue to embrace it but also admit that you 661 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: didn't hire somebody because he was gay. You're you're the 662 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: worst of all the worlds. Yes, you're the worst of 663 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: all the world. 664 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 2: Right. And it was obvious also at the time that 665 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 2: she didn't pick jos Shapiro because her party was having 666 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: a jew problem. And so it's funny, you know, there's 667 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 2: lots of jokes also, like she didn't want to pick 668 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 2: the gay man, so she picked Tim Wong. 669 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's I think the biggest disadvantage of this book 670 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: tour for Republicans is that it might truly convince the 671 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: Democrats that she has no past future right to the 672 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,479 Speaker 1: nomination in the future, which would have, of course behoove us. 673 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: Because she is so very bad at this. 674 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: Come on, say the terrible with you. 675 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: She's so terrible, horrible, horrible, she really is, and she's 676 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: bad in the most friendly places. I watched her on 677 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: Madout and I watched her on the View, and she's 678 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: terrible in both places. She has not thought through what 679 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: these answers should be. She has no anticipation of what 680 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: the tough questions I put that in clods because they're 681 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: not tough questions are going to be. And she just 682 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: flups it once again, once again. 683 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: She doesn't work that she does not put in the work. 684 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 2: She thinks she is smarter than everybody and doesn't have 685 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 2: to do the work. And as I tell my kids 686 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 2: all the time, that doesn't work. 687 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 3: So won't work. 688 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 2: It won't work. Yeah, No, it doesn't matter how smart 689 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 2: you are. You gotta do the work, alrighty. Thanks for 690 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 2: joining us on normally normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and 691 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 2: you could subscribe anywhere where you get your podcasts. Get 692 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 2: in touch with us at normallythepod at gmail dot com. 693 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening and when things get weird, act normally