WEBVTT - Introducing “Out of Office,” A New Show From Bloomberg Live 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:11.040 Welcome to Out of Office, the podcast about life and leadership. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.960 I'm your host, Malika Kapoor. Every week I bring you 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.560 a conversation with the newsmaker speaking at a Bloomberg Live summit. 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:23.880 This chat, which we record offstage, is freewheeling and it's informal. 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.360 We got beyond the headlines and talk about things and 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.640 newsmakers don't get asked about on stage or even in 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:37.160 their offices. Their childhood aspirations, mentors, first jobs, their education, 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.720 their high points, setbacks, downtime, what they want for Christmas, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:46.920 family and love. Because these influences make them who they 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:51.680 are and define how they lead. This week, what is 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.200 great actually is when people on the street just come 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.640 up and say thank you so much. And I get 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.880 loads of that. Please keep going, keep backling for the country. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.240 Lots of hoots and toots from the taxi community, the 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.800 black cabs, great group of Brexiteers. You know quite a 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.319 few of them. Give me free cab raids. Yeah you know, 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.840 you know your friends are Meet Richard Tis, member of 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.440 European Parliament and one of the most divisive figures in 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.480 British politics. He started his career as a businessman, a 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:24.839 property developer, but he's always had one foot in politics. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.600 From twenty fifteen he became increasingly involved in Brexit and 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.680 is a founder of the pro Brexit groups Leave Means 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:37.280 Leave and Leave dot Eu. In ten he became chairman 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.720 of the Brexit Party, which was founded by politician Nigel 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.000 Ferrad just a year ago. It's a young party, but 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.840 it's making headlines. It was one of the most remarkable 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.440 elections this country has ever seen, with both Labor and 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:56.720 the Tories having historically abysmal results. In last Thursday's European election, 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.400 Nigel Forrage's new Brexit Party topped the poll of nearly 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.960 thirty Richard spoke about all things Brexit at the Bloomberg 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.760 invest summit in London. There's nothing worse than a job 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.720 half done, badly done. So we're gonna leave. We want 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:16.720 a clean break Brexit that maximizes our negotiating position, minimizes 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.840 the uncertainty. Everyone knows where they stand and we can 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.920 get on with their lives and get on with adjusting 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.279 to a post Brexit world. That's Richard tis the politician. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.120 My colleague gets Staply caught up with him when he 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:33.760 came off stage. They chatted about football, he's a Liverpool fan, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:38.560 his passion for property, his school years, and what Richard 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.920 Tys wants for Christmas. Your's ed with the so called 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:50.240 bad boy of Brexit. So Richard Tye, welcome to this 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.119 Bloomberg Live podcast. Thanks for joining us, great pleasure, and 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.120 welcome to Bloomberg's headquarters. Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, I'm 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.440 a real estate guy and I've never seen a building 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.519 like it. It's absolutely a first time here. It's just 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.840 the first time here. I've been to the previous headquarters 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.720 a number of times, hopefully when been my last time. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.519 I've really enjoyed it. You know, the canteens extraordinary, the 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.520 architectures extraordinary. Um and I go, that's one of all 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.400 sorts of awards indeed, And I guess Mike Bloomberg had 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.120 a decision to make when choosing where to build, as 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:22.240 you ban HQ, and that decision predated Cameron's referendum commitment 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:26.760 on Britain's membership of the EU in January. Do you 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.080 think a company looking to set up a headquarters in 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.040 Europe today we're still a hundred percent go for London. Oh, definitely. 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.680 You mean a financial services business for sure. I mean, 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.320 let's be very clear. The threat to London and you 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.160 know we will have to live with competition in all 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.480 our business lives. The threat to London is not Frankfurt 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.920 or Paris. The threat to London is New York and Asia. 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.480 Your family have been involved in property. I think for 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.680 generation that's right, And so what what made you want 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:55.800 to continue in that and that line of work? Now? 0:03:55.880 --> 0:04:00.280 I think, Look, I grew up steeped in a family 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.240 of people who are involved in property, my grandfather and 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.680 my uncle, my cousin, so you know that that was 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:08.960 the natural place to go. I love it. I love 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:14.400 the attraction of buildings, planning them, designing them, creating them. 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.320 And you know, for me the pinnacle was was when 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.839 I was chief executive of a London listed multinational billion 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.479 pound company on the edge of the two fifty business 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:28.440 called CLS Holdings, and you know, we were designing new 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.560 buildings and here in London we designed a very large 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:36.080 scheme down in Vauxhall which included two fifty story towers 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.800 and for me that was that was something extraordinary. And 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:43.160 they're now underway being built. Yeah, no, fantastic. And so 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.599 about thirty years and probably investment um any regrets in 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.200 that time. Hell, look, we we will make mistakes in life. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.119 The key is to learn from them and to try 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.560 and not make them again, and try and make you know, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.560 more good decisions than bad decisions. But but the thing, 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.520 you know, successful people know that you achieve that success 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.039 by you make a decision and then you monitor it 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:07.359 and adjust it. And having gone into the world of politics, 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.040 what I've seen is far too often that actually people 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.120 in politics and the civil service and too many public 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.880 services actually not prepared to accept when something's gone wrong 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.120 and quickly change it and adjust it and be open 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:23.920 about it, as opposed to trying to cover it up 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.720 or pretend that it's not going wrong. And one thing 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.160 that interests me, and from a finance point of view here, 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.520 you manage to navigate the two thousand and eight financial 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:36.760 crisis extremely well. I think you sold a significant amount 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:38.920 of the property you had by two thousand and seven 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.440 and then bought again at the bottom of the market 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.640 in two thousand and nine. Yep, that's absolutely right, you're 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.279 very well informed. I'm very impressed. So who are you 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.080 talking to at the time and how did you have 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.599 that edge that other people clearly hadn't seen to be honest, 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:57.440 just gut instinct, pure gut instinct. Having been involved since, 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.680 you know, in the markets for the best part of 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.240 twenty years, I've seen a recession in the early nineties 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.960 and it just felt wrong. You know, every Tom Dick 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:11.120 and Harry amateur was piling into the residential market and 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.800 the commercial market. In the mid two thousand's, the banks 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:16.919 were doing some extraordinary things. I mean, you know, you 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.000 could borrow more than a hundred percent on a commercial 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.039 property loan from the Scottish banks and that you just 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.240 knew in your heart of hearts that was wrong, and 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:29.000 people were just bidding ridiculous sums for property. We had 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.279 a business, we had a hundred of people, and you know, 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:33.680 it was a private business, and we just felt it 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.320 was wrong, and so we said, let's do the opposite. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.560 Let's take a very early view. We went from a 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.680 hundred people down to fifteen. We did that, you know, 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.880 five outsourcing lots of our house building. You know, all 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:47.680 those people were able to get jobs because it was 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.159 still a booming economy. But we de risked the business 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.839 and say, by the time the recession hit, basically the 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.800 business had a parlor cash and no debt, and you 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.000 know again that's that's long term gut instinct, and yes, 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.200 I took Essentially, I paused for a couple of years, 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.760 did some advisory work in the debt world, and then 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.960 in o nine I got stuck back into corporate bonds 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.600 which were completely miss priced in the real estate sector, 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.200 had a time of distress. And then when I joined 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.520 CLS in two thousand and ten, again the market was 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.000 still on the floor, but I could see great buying 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.760 opportunities and over a three year period we brought over 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:21.760 two hundred million quids worth of real estate near the 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.680 bottom of the market. Okay, I want to talk a 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.960 bit about your journey to getting where you are now 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.600 and a bit about you know, your upbringing. You grew 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.400 up in the Midlands and attended the private boarding school 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.760 Upping Him. We're another vice chair. What were your your 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.320 likes and dislikes at school? What were the likes and 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:41.480 dislikes I was. I wasn't great on the academic side. 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.320 I enjoyed the sporting side, you know. Upping Him was 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.240 a you know, it was a it was a pretty 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.120 sort of tough school back in the late seventies. You know, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:51.400 if you need to go to the loo, you had 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.440 to go outside. So you know, things have changed a lot. 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.680 But you know, I've always been more of a believe 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.680 or not. I was actually I'm six ft two now. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.440 In those days that's actually really quite short. Some people 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.360 used to call me titch, so I was hooker in 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.320 the scrum. That was always pretty painful. But no, you know, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.760 I I got through the school years, went to university 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.400 to do a very technical degree, but that stood me 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.760 well in the real estate sector. Now. I don't know 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:21.679 if you'll thank me for this, but I I looked 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:27.240 into A levels. Yes, you research amazing. I noticed you 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:31.440 got two ease yes yeah, one in politics and one 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.880 in maths, but an A and economic yes. So there 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.120 we are. Was that you're waiting your revision m or 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.800 did you get unlucky with the questions on that? So? No, 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:44.079 being candid, Um, I just messed up the revision on politics. Um, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.320 so that was just a horlicks. My maths teacher and 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.320 I didn't get on. And I think with maths, you know, 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.520 like in any subject, you can hit a glass ceiling 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.120 in something. And for me, just after what were then 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.480 called O levels, I discovered a bit later I hit 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.600 the glass ceiling. But economics was really you know, I 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.800 loved it, and in a sense that interest is what 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:09.160 sort of driven me ever since. And despite the poor 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.960 exam results in politics, I've always had an interest in it, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:24.320 always loved it. And here we are. What was it 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.800 like growing up in in the Tice household? Were you 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.360 close to your siblings and parents growing up? Yeah, I know, 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.360 we were pretty close. Two of us went to My 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.120 brother and I went to the same the same school, 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.439 upping him. My sister she was at a day school 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.440 and then she went to Gordonston, So yeah, we were, 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.400 you know, pretty close. In the holidays, my parents basically 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.360 were separated from from the year dot. So you know 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.000 that comes with with with different sort of challenges. And 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.960 you know I was you know, I was very lucky 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:53.280 in many would say I was born with a silver 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.640 speed in my mouth. You know, I was very lucky. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:10:00.240 So I'm very cognizant of of giving something back, playing 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.240 my part in society. And I think you've got kids 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.120 of your own. Yeah, I've got three kids. Do you 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:09.319 have political conversations with them around the around the very much? So, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.040 very much. So. I've got two boys and a girl, 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.080 just the girls, the only one still at school in 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.600 her last year. The politics, obviously is is part of 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.880 our part of our discussion, and you know, we agree 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.079 on some things and we disagree on our things. In fact, 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.600 it was my my second son who helped educate me 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.600 when he was on his his gap year in in 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.920 Asia about you know, the environmental damage caused by plastics, 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:40.960 people just discarding plastics, the sort of the plastic mountains 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.679 he saw on the beaches of Vietnam, talking about the 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.600 plastic island that is in the Pacific Ocean, and you know, 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:48.640 that was really really educational for me. I was very 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.240 grateful for that. If you thinking back when you were twenty, 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.680 and it's one of thing you would wish you knew 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.880 then that you know now that's a great question. Yeah, 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:03.160 a lot sound, lots of things. Networking just keep talking 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.440 to lots of people. And funny enough, on the one hand, 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.280 social media is good for networking, but on the other hand, 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.600 it's actually very bad for talking. And I probably then 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.680 wasn't wasn't a great talker, more open networking, but even not. 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.920 Actually I used to be quite shy and so you know, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.720 walk into a room i'd sort of slightly sort of 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.160 stay at the door. But actually, you know, you you 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.200 make your own luck. You've got to make your own networking. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.480 And you know what, there's nothing like knowing people being 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.200 able to pick up a phone and build that network 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:41.120 of contacts and build connections. It's amazing how that helps 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.559 you throughout your working life. Yeah. Absolutely, and then he 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.800 went on to as you said, Sofford University, how do 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:47.560 you enjoy that? And what do you make of Manchester? 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.559 Um Manchester was a very different city then. I mean, 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.760 it was really tough and solf was was very much 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.640 the rough end of it, but it was it was 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:58.920 a really diligent technical course. I did look to be honest. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:00.400 They used to call me a bit of a so 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.280 the Southern PUFTA and I had a Renaer five Turbo 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.240 at the time, so you know, I was known as 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.960 Dick Turbot. But it was great. I played I didn't 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.200 play rugby there, I played soccer. We played in the 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.079 local leagues and it was you know, it was really 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:15.959 good for me. I'm probably one of the few people 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.240 that has been to strange Way Prison, not once, but twice. 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.440 I'm pleased to say that was to play football where 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.440 we played against the inmates and it went surprised you 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.360 to learn you'll probably be pleased to learn we always 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.040 had to play away. Wow, that must have been interesting. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.880 Where did you play? I was goalkeeper and so at 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:35.920 strange ways of prison. To this day I never forget. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:40.840 I basically fouled an attacker, gave away a penalty and 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:42.920 one of the inmates came up to me and he said, 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:44.559 if you know what's good for your son, you'll let 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:52.440 this in and did okay. Very interesting, so then you know, 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.160 fast forwarding to where we are now, you've been involved 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.120 in campaigning, funding and supporting Braxit for many years. You 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.720 co founded leave dot e Dean, You've been really successful 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.080 in business and you know you've got a lot of 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.240 chargeable causes. Why is it so important to you to 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.960 be involved in politics? Now? What? What? What draws you 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.240 to it? I've always been drawn to it. I've always 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.600 had an interest in it. I like being involved in 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.720 well run businesses and I have a simple expression. If 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.800 the country was one as well as a well managed, 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.080 lean efficient business, then frankly would all be in a 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.760 much better place. And I always said to myself, I'd 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.200 want to do give will take thirty years in business 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.400 and then try and give something back to public life. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.360 What have you made of former Prime Minister David Cameron's 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.600 new book On the Record, quite a candid account of 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.800 his time in office. I haven't actually read it. I'm 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.480 sort of hoping someone might give it to me for Christmas. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.680 Generally I read books on an iPad, but it would 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.360 be great if someone gives it to me. I've seen 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:52.040 some of the serialization. I think, obviously I have to 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.040 be grateful to Cameron because he gave us the referendum. 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:59.760 What I'm not grateful for was his disgraceful involvement in 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.199 Project Fear. What he should have done as Prime Minister 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.160 is he should have basically said, look, this is my view. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:07.599 I'm going to say it a couple of times, and 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.400 then I'm going to act as a a presidential style 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.480 referee and call out both sides if they talk a 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.560 lot of nonsense. If he had done that, he would 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.920 still be Prime Minister. He didn't. He got stuck in 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:22.000 the weeds. He chose the wrong side. He was heavily 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.640 involved in Project Fear, which turned out to be a 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:28.480 load of complete nonsense, and the rest is history. So 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.680 Brexit has divided friends and family throughout the country. Boris 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.160 Johnson has recently found that have your friendships or relationships 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.720 suffered as a result of Brexit? Are your have your 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.880 friends with many remainers at all? Yes, No, I am, 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:45.040 And I would say a sizeable chunk of my friends 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:50.320 votes that what I would call moderate remain voters, almost 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.440 all of them now would actually vote leave on the 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.560 basis of democracy and how the he has behaved since. 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.480 Where I've actually really lost people on on a much 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.480 more sort of the base of angst and anger is 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.680 actually in the business community. I mean the real estate 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.040 community in London, you know, I mean some people have 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.080 been absolutely I mean they've just just gone off the chart. 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:13.200 So you know, stuff happens. And when you put your 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:14.960 head above the parapet, and you know, most of the 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.800 business community are not brave enough to do that. But 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:19.280 if you put your head about the parapet, you know, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.200 the grief, the angst, the victory old comes. It comes 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:27.200 over in bucket loads. And yeah I use Twitter, and yeah, 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.480 I mean the abuse is is hysterical, It's ridiculous. I 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.480 didn't look at it. My kids do it upsets them, 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.600 I'm broad shouldered. It's the nature of what is great 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.000 actually is when people on the street just come up 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.560 and say thank you so much, and I get loads 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.520 of that. Please keep going, keep battling for the country. 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:45.880 Lots of hoots and toots from the taxi community, the 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.440 black cabs, great group of brexiteers. You know, quite a 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.920 few of them. Give me free cab rides. Yeah, you know, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.760 you know your friends are sounds all right outside of 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.560 business and politics. What do you do for fun? For fun? 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.000 So over the years, you know, I've played a fair 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.320 but golf. Skiing is my big thing. I used to 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.840 do five side soccer until recently calling it soccer. What 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.560 was the soccer football? You know? So that, but no, 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.400 skiing is skis my big thing. I've recently got into 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.400 into cycling and spin classes. I would say I'm sort 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.160 of moderate at its stroke, a stroker, a bit of 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.400 a clueless amateur, but it's it's great exercise. I love it. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.880 And a Liverpool fan as well, yeah, and been a 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.960 very patient Liberal fan over over many decades, since the 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.360 mid seventies. But you know, this could be our year. 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:36.920 This player well over the years, I mean, you know, 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.560 Douglas was sort of probably my my hero, but obviously 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.200 at the moment it has to be Salah, yes, of course. 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.200 And finally, how would you describe yourself in three words? 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:52.040 Goodness me, I'm an optimist, the glass is always half full, 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:56.360 it's never half empty, optimist, optimist, optimist, optimist, optimist, optimist, 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.640 bridget Tice, thank you very much, great to be here. 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.320 That was Ed Stapley in conversation with Brexit Party chairman 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.960 Richard Tys. 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