1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: If you have heard about the murder of Jessica Chambers, 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: do not miss the new docuseries on Oxygen. It's the 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: true story of a teen girl, a cheerleader in Mississippi 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: who is burned alive and the story of the man 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: accused of this heinous crime. Is that the right guy 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: on trial? Who is he? And who is Jessica Chambers? 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: And how does such a horrific crime occur? With more 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: questions than answers, this is the case that has captured 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: national headlines, taken over social media, and leaves a small 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: town divided. This is a must see TV event. It 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: features exclusive interviews that take you inside the investigation as 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: a search for answers and justice goes on. Unspeakable crime, 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: The Killing of Jessica Chambers, Saturdays at seven six Central 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: on Oxygen, the new network for crime. My daddy is 15 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: a hero. He helps me, girl ups helping me. I'm 16 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: not good too. He reads me book, My Shoes, My Daddy, Daddy, 17 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: and love you. You're hearing a four year old bell 18 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: sitting in the back seat of the Watts family car, 19 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: singing a hero song for her father, Christopher Watts. She's dead. 20 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 1: She was murdered and bomb Shall News right now did 21 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: her father. The so called hero Chris Watts, confessed to 22 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: fatally strangling his wife in a rage after a heart 23 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: to heart with his father. I Meancy Grays, this is 24 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Straight out 25 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: to Ellen Color and Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. 26 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: The very latest suggests that Chris Watts, who was now 27 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: charged with first degree murder in the death of his wife, Shenan, 28 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: and their two little girls, plus the first boy to 29 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: enter the scene, Shanan, was pregnant with a baby boy. 30 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: At first. Watt says he strangled his wife in a 31 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: fit of rage after he sees her on the baby 32 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: can murdering the girls. That really doesn't make a whole 33 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: lot of says, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know what, Let 34 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: me back it up, e K, because that's actually not 35 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: the very first thing he said. The very first thing 36 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: he said when his wife and daughters two little girls 37 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: were missing, was to beg for their return. Listen to 38 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: Chris Watts. Let's get it from the horse's mouth, Bella. 39 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: So lest if you're out there, just just come back, 40 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: Like if somebody has her, please bring her back. I 41 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: need to see everybody. I need to see everybody again. 42 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: This house is not complete with without anybody here. Well, 43 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, if you really want to see him, you 44 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: know where to look, Chris Watts at the oil field 45 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: where you bury their bodies in that of oil. I mean, 46 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: at least that's what the prosecution says. Uh, you know what. 47 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: Ellen Joining me Ellen colaurin Crime online dot Com, renowned 48 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: forensics expert from the Florida jurisdiction, Karen Smith, judge and 49 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: lawyer and founder of child crime watch dot Com. Ashley Wilcot, 50 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: Fulton County medical examiner Dr Jan Gorniac and joining me 51 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: from Beverly Hills psychoanalyst Dr Bethany Marshall. Okay, Ellen, let's 52 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: just start at the beginning, because the first thing that 53 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: struck me and Ashley go ahead and laugh into your fist. 54 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: When I first saw Shenan, I'm like, she's beautiful and 55 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: a little let me just say, tiny bit envious because 56 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: she's so together, because she had this beautiful matching outfit 57 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: and there was a picture of her in her den. 58 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: It looked straight out of an ad, you know this 59 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: ads for furniture ads like you know, rooms to go, 60 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: and it just was this beautiful setting and she's like 61 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: the perfect mom, and she had gotten this awesome knee 62 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: job with like a patch that gives our nutrients and 63 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: minerals to your body. And she was finally making to 64 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: me a lot of money, seventy thous dollars a year. 65 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: And it was kind of a pyramid thing, like um 66 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: am we where not only do you sell the health patch, 67 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: but you also recruit other people to sell and then 68 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: you get a portion, not you get a portion of 69 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: what they make, what plus what you make, and then 70 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: they recruit in. The company gets bigger and bigger and bigger. 71 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: So she's going to all these awesome destinations for conferences, 72 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: and she got these beautiful girls. And this this father 73 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: or the Chris Watts, it seems like a great husband. 74 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: There's a picture of him in the backyard cutting the grass. 75 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: How many times have I cut the grass? Cursing the 76 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: entire time? But long story short, she had it all 77 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: together and now, to top it all off, the answer 78 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: to their prayers. They're getting a boy. They always wanted 79 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: a boy. And she's got two girls and she's pregnant 80 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: with the baby boy. I mean, Ellen, what the hey happened? 81 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: That's right, Nancy. By all accounts, it was a picture 82 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: perfect family, picture of perfect marriage. The home was while 83 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: appointed Shannon with beautiful, well put together the daughters and 84 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: photos always an adorable outfits. Everything looked like it was 85 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: going really really well. Oh wait, Allen Allen, Allen Allen, 86 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: hold on, Dr Bethany Marshall, I'm sure you want to 87 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: analyze this, Okay. There's this family at our church. They 88 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: have five daughters, five they're precious. Every Sunday they come in, 89 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: they all have a little matching outfits that the mother 90 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: makes all right, or somehow gets it together to go 91 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: out and and finds the little matching outfits. And Bethany, 92 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: don't get all into all the mindset of matching your 93 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: children's outfits, because if I had it together, I would 94 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: have matched the children when they were growing up. But 95 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: mommy just you know, was trying to keep them alive, okay, 96 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: and make it to the studio. And they're well behaved, 97 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: they're perfect. They are. I'm not saying there's anything going 98 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: on behind it. And that is what goes through my 99 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: mind that she was this mom, like the five little 100 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: girls mom, they're totally devoted to the family, and I 101 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: mean it's it's envious. It's envious. Well, there's two different 102 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: realities in that household. There's there's the mom, like the 103 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: mother of the five children that attend to church. There's 104 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: the mom who is nice and brilliant and she's nice, 105 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: and I mean, couldn't I just hate her for peace? Say? 106 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Can there be something? No, she's perfect and she's a 107 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: d I wire. She can like um D real things 108 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: and hammer things. She's got this awesome college degree. I 109 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: mean the works. Okay, okay, let me just throw that 110 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: and go ahead. Well, I mean you have Shenan who 111 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: has all these resources. She's smart, she's she's becoming a 112 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: big earner. She loves her children. One half of the 113 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: story in that household is love. She loves her kids, 114 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: and she has another boy on the way and and 115 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: the other half of the household is full of hate. 116 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: And when you talk about the beautiful outfits, the father 117 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: was going along with this. He was acting like this 118 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: family was perfect and then a perfect world. But what 119 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: we know about sociopatht We have a phrase in my field. 120 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: It's called wearing the mask of samity. The sociopaths are 121 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: very good at looking as if they're normal. They often 122 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: have beautiful children and beautiful wives who are devoted to 123 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: the family, while secretly they have a whole another life 124 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: going on underneath social paths. No, they're not normal, so 125 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: they learn to move and act in society as if 126 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: they think like other people. And that's why it's always 127 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: so shocking when something like this happens. You know, hold on, Alan, 128 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: I know I started this with you, and I haven't 129 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: even let you say five words yet, But Ashley willcott 130 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: something about our discussion right now, an ideal with dead bodies, 131 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: crime scenes, autopsies, mass murder, serial murder, spray murder, torture, murder, 132 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: the works of seen it all with a straight face 133 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: and I never once even get queasy. But this is 134 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: making me tear up. Ashley, I don't know what it 135 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: is about this. Oh, this one's really bad because it 136 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: hits too close to home. You do have somebody, and 137 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: it's not that different because she's working, she's take and 138 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: care of her children, she has a husband, she has 139 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,599 Speaker 1: all of these things that you have, right and that 140 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners have, and so here they 141 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: have all these things and it looks like the family's 142 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: a normal family and functioning and getting through life and 143 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: doing these things and enjoying their children and loving their children. 144 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: And yet underneath the surface, you've obviously got a lot 145 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: of other things going on, and he's killed the family. Okay, 146 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: I know this is the question for the for the ages. 147 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: Why can't they just be happy? I don't get it, 148 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, Why can't I mean, sometimes and I'm weary 149 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: and I'm overwhelmed, I'm like, look what I have to 150 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: be grateful for. I'm so happy? Well, why couldn't they 151 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: just be happy? Why did I have to end up 152 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: with the girls and a vat of crude oil and 153 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: the mother in a shallow grave? Why? Well, what one 154 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: half of the family was happy. Shenan was happy, the 155 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: children were happy. It's the father who wasn't Nancy, so 156 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: she empathy. The personality disorder of being a sociopath is 157 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: essentially an order of a disorder of detachment. Sociopaths are 158 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: detached from everybody around them, their own children, their parents, 159 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: their spouses. They don't connect like you or I do, 160 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: and they have very shallow emotional lives, so they can't 161 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: just hang out at home with their children. They always 162 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: have little side gigs, going on affairs, um financial misdealings, crimes, 163 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: um habits of pornography. There's always did you ever see 164 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: Blue Velvet? Where there was this one world that was 165 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: like bright and shiny, the sun was shining, and at 166 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: the very last scene, the camera pants to under the 167 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: front lawn and there's this whole underbelly of worms and 168 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: beetles and bugs under the front lawn. Two separate worlds. 169 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: That's what this family was like, a bright, shiny, loving 170 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: world and then a personality disordered dad slash husband who 171 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: couldn't attach to his family. When we talk about violent crime, 172 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: it's almost as if we're drinking from a fire hydrant. 173 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: It's just too much, too fast, too furious. If you 174 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: have heard about the murder of Jessica Chambers, don't miss 175 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: the new docuseries on Oxygen, The true story of a 176 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: teen girl cheerleader Mississippi, Burned Alive, The story of the 177 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: man now accused of the heinous crime. Is the right 178 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: guy on trial? Who is he? And who was Jessica Chambers? 179 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: How does such a horrific crime even occur? More questions 180 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: than answers. It's a case that has captured national headlines, 181 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: taken over social media and has now left and is 182 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: leaving a small town divided. It's a musty TV event 183 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: with exclusive interviews that take you inside the investigation as 184 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: a search for answers and justice goes on. Don't miss it. 185 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: It is Unspeakable Crime, the killing of Jessica Chambers Saturday's 186 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: seven sixth Central on Oxygen, the new network for Crime 187 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: gets what girls, mommy has a baby in her belly. 188 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: Are you guys excited? Yes? Are you really excited? Oh? 189 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: My goodness, don't give me a hats Oh you gay? Huh? 190 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: I love you, Bella. You are hearing Shannan Watts. She's 191 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: telling her two little baby girls that she is going 192 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: to have a little baby boy, the unborn child she 193 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: was carrying at the time she was murdered. Now, I 194 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: want you to compare that, juxtapose it against her telling 195 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: the husband, Chris Watts. Listen, I like that shirt. Really really, 196 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: that's all so pak means. That's just a testa tone. 197 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: They're just since the pink is gonna be girls know that. Yes, 198 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: guess guess when you want to see what happens? Yeah, okay, 199 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: that was a little underwhelming. Guys, you're listening to Shann 200 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: Watts telling her husband Chris Watts, age thirty three, they're 201 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: having a third child. He's like, awesome, Okay, you know, 202 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: Ellen Kilauren, Sorry, but I got carried away with their 203 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: perfect life. Elan Coilauren. Let's take it from the top. 204 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: Shinen had been on a business trip and it's my 205 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: understanding she got home that evening with a friend girl 206 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: who drove her to the house, who had been out 207 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: of town. With her to the home, she gets sent 208 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: around one a m ish. Now, according to the husband, 209 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: Chris Watts uh now suspected in the three murders, they 210 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: have a quote emotional discussion until five a m. When 211 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: he leaves for work at an oil field. What happened 212 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: after that? He says that she they were speaking in 213 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: the early hours of the morning and then he went 214 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: to work. Later that day, Shannon was supposed to go 215 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: to a doctor's appointment, she was supposed to meet a friend. 216 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: None of those things happened. So her friend goes to 217 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: the home and Frederick Colorado and realizes that they're not there. 218 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: Shannon and the girls are not there, and no one 219 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: knows where they are. Chris initially says that he believes 220 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: that his wife may have gone on a play date, 221 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: but he doesn't have any details. He doesn't know the 222 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: name of the people, and he continues for a couple 223 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: of days to claim that he has no idea what 224 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: happened to his family, and goes on TV and begs 225 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: for their return. Let's taken listen to Chris Watts begging 226 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: for his wife's return. And it wasn't like her not 227 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: to answer a phone call or attacks. And when her 228 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: friend Nicole showed up at the door, I was like, 229 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: all right, something, something's up. And uh. I came home 230 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: and it was like walked into a ghost town. Like everything. 231 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: She wasn't here, kids weren't here. It was like it 232 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: was just they were here and then they were gone, 233 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: Like Shenan Belen slaves, if you're out there, please let's 234 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: come home. You're hearing Chris Watts begging for his family's return. 235 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: That's not at all what was really happening, Ellen Colauren, 236 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: What led authorities to an oil field where Watts worked, Well, um, 237 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: we'd have to back up for one second, because what 238 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: what led them to I think question his story was 239 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: the fact that he had been staying with a couple 240 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: of friends neighbors, and they felt that something wasn't quite right, 241 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: and they called police and then they questioned Chris Watts 242 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: and brought him in. UM obviously starting to believe that 243 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: the story he was claiming to be true was not 244 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: at all, and after multiple interviews with police, UM and 245 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: Wish he he initially was not telling the truths. They 246 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: don't think Um, but eventually he did tell them where 247 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: the bodies were. He led them there and it was 248 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: the property of the place where he had worked. What 249 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: we know is that police then go digging at the 250 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: oil field and there they find the girls in a 251 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: vat of crude oil. They're dead bodies there, and the 252 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: wife buried in a shallow grave. To Dr Jane Gournia, 253 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: joining US Fulton County Medical Examiner, Dr Gournia, I'm so 254 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: grateful that you're with us. Putting a body into crude oil? 255 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: Does that preserve it? Does it hasten the decomposing process? 256 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: What does that do to a child's body. I've never 257 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: had a body in crude oil before. I can assume 258 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: that it will hasten the um, the decomposition. It's nothing 259 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: that's going to preserve it. So I'm freezing will preserve 260 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: the decomposition. So anybody that's in fluid um, any sort 261 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: of fluid, the body is going to go through changes. 262 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: So I believe that the decomposition process will be accelerated. 263 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: Karen Smith, with the bodies in vats of oil, forensically, 264 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? It means it's going 265 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: to be an extraordinarily challenging investigation. Nancy. You know these 266 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: vats of oil, the two little girls, I don't know 267 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: if they were wrapped in something when they were placed 268 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: in there, if they were placed in there with clothes 269 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: on or without close on. We don't have any of 270 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: that information. So to say that investigators and the medical 271 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: examiner staff have an unbelievable challenge ahead of them as 272 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: an understatement, however, there may be maybe some forensic evidence 273 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: left behind that can be garnered and link these deaths 274 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: directly to Chris Watt. At this point, we we don't 275 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: have a cause of death, which is you know, critical 276 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: to to the forensics, and until we have that, it's 277 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: just speculation. At this point, I'm just hoping that, you know, 278 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're doing their due diligence and doing everything 279 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: possible to find out what happened to these two little girls. 280 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: We know what happened to Shenan. He's he's confessed as 281 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: strangling her. Um, but until we have those, uh those 282 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: medical examiners reports were kind of in the wind on that. 283 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: To ask you, Willcott joining US judge lawyer, founder of 284 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com, we know that his Chris 285 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: Watt's defense team asked for the girls next to be 286 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: swabbed for d N A. What does that tell you 287 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: the outside of their next Yeah, it's to talk about strangulations. 288 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: So here's what's fascinating in this case to me and 289 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: really bothers me. The defendantness case says, um, he strangled 290 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: his wife right at some points in time. Then he says, 291 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: but she strangled the children. Really you think that because 292 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, yeah, you're gonna make up. I 293 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: think he strangled to children. He's gonna make up and 294 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: say the wife strangled to children. So the significance is 295 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: to find out what DNA is there, because I promise you, Nancy, 296 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: she did not strangle those children. I promise you he did. 297 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: His argument is that when he tells her he wants 298 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: to leave her, she goes in a fit of right 299 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: and strangles the children. Ellen Colauren, you have been investigating 300 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: the case, What, if anything have you learned about his 301 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: sex affairs. Well, we know that at least one affair 302 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: has been confirmed by authorities. Um, he was having affair 303 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: with a co worker, something that he initially denied during 304 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: police questioning. Two other people have come forward. One woman 305 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: spoke to a radar online and said that she had 306 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: an affair with him after meeting him on Tinder, and 307 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: then another man who crime Online actually spoke to as well, 308 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: says that he had an affair with Chris Watts for 309 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: ten months that ended several months before the family was killed. 310 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: So let me understand. We've got a coworker he's having 311 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: an affair with. According to the coworker, you have another woman. 312 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: I don't know where she's from or how there was 313 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: tender and then you have a man. Now, let me 314 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: ask you something, Ellen, you've talked to the guy on 315 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: many occasions. Did he tell you anything he couldn't learn 316 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: from the internet. Um. Sure, he told me about conversations 317 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: that he had with Chris about his marriage. He told 318 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: me that Chris initially denied being married. He said that 319 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: he was separated and that he eventually figured out that 320 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: he was married, and that Chris did admit to it. 321 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: And he said that has told him that he was 322 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: in an unhappy marriage, that he felt insignificant, that Shannon 323 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: would allegedly be emotionally abusive to him, and that he 324 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: felt trapped, felt insignificant. Let's take a listen again to 325 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: his daughter bella singing, Daddy is a hero. My daddy 326 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: is a hero. He helps me go upst he helps 327 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: me good, chill, he leads meet the seas. My daddy, daddy, 328 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: and love you. To give you some background, the Preto 329 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: Police Department received a missing person called just before Excuse 330 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: Me just before two pm on Monday, Augusten. Our agency 331 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: lost investigation conducting interviews neighborhood canvases in an effort to 332 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: locate Shenan and the two girls, Bell and Celest. We 333 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: also contacted the FBI and the CBI to assist in 334 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: this case. In addition to providing investigative agents and crime 335 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: scene responders. Missing Excuse Me, a missing danger alert was 336 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: announced on Tuesday afternoon. Frederic P. D conducted additional canvases 337 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: were flyers featuring Shennan, Celeste and Bellow were distributed ravy. Finally, 338 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: in the late hours of Wednesday evening, the husband and 339 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: Chris Watts was taken into custody. You're hearing from the 340 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: Colorado Police sergeant there in Frederick Ian albert On. Chris 341 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: Watt's arrested in the last hours, a stunning new development. 342 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: Although the husband, Chris Watts, has changed his story multiple times, 343 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: apparently after a heart to heart talk with his father 344 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: behind bars, he makes a full confession to Alan Kloren, 345 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: what do we know that's right? We know that when 346 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: when Chris Wats was initially interviewed by police, he wasn't cooperative, 347 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: but then he said, when if you let me talk 348 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: to my father first, I'll talk to him and then 349 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: I'll tell you the truth. And he did speak to 350 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: his father, and we don't know what was said in 351 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: that conversation, but we do know that after he spoke 352 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: to him, he went back and he admitted to detectives 353 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: that he had strangled his pregnant wife, but claimed that 354 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: he did so in enrage after seeing that she was 355 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: strangling one of their daughters while while another daughter laid 356 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: limp on her bed next to them. Well, to me, 357 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: that's not a full confession. Are you saying that he's 358 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: still saying the wife strangled little girls? That's right, nothing 359 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: has changed. So I feel that we have been misled 360 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: to Dr Bethany Marshall. The story that he's telling is 361 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: diametrically opposed to what we know as the evidence. He's 362 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: still blaming his murdered wife for the deaths of the 363 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: two girls. What what's that about, Dr Bethany. You know what, Nancy, 364 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: he may be the type of perpetrator who will just 365 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: continue to lie and lie and lie, and we'll never 366 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: get the full truth from him. Basically, he's claiming that 367 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: he's such a great guy, such a wonderful dad, that 368 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: and so special that when he told his wife he 369 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: wanted to break up with her, that she flew into 370 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: a rage and started to strangle the girls just to 371 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: get back at him. I mean, that is such a 372 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: fantastical story, and that he flew into a rage and 373 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: strangled her because she was strangling the daughters. I mean, 374 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: this kind of embedded in this kind of a story 375 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: is that he's great, he was protecting his daughters. He 376 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: lost it because the wife was killing the daughters to 377 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: get back at him. It just doesn't stack up to 378 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: the kind of family life that you're talking about where 379 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: she was so attached to her kids. I mean, come on, 380 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, it's going to be a cold and ah 381 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: g double ale that this mom comes home from working 382 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: to support the family and then and then she strangles 383 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: the girls and he happens to see it on the 384 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: nanny camp. Oh yeah, sorry, Nancy, it's b s I mean, 385 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: wad And to Phil him say well, I felt to 386 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: hear him say, oh, I felt insignificant. I have no patience. 387 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: I have no tolerance for this entire story, for his half. 388 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: You know what confession, He clearly, in my mind, strangled 389 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: all of them. I do not believe she's working her 390 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: tail off for those children, for him, for the family. 391 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: I do not believe that she returned home and strangled him. 392 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: To Karen Smith, what about the possibility of evidence under 393 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: the little girl's fingernails, under their nails. Do you think 394 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: there's any chance we're going to get his d NA. Yes, 395 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: there's always a chance, Nancy. And you know what, I'm 396 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm right with Ashley on this. My patience for this 397 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: case is is at its limit, and you know, as 398 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: a forensic investigator, I'm supposed to remain unbiased. But in 399 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: the face of all of this, in the face of 400 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: all of the evidence, it points right to Chris Watts. 401 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: And there are a couple of opportunities that investigators have here, 402 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: not only the finger nails of Celesti in Bella, but 403 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, if if they're asking for DNA swabs of 404 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: the next there's a reason for that. Either the children 405 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: were wrapped before they were placed in the barrels and 406 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: there is a chance that there is DNA on their 407 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: next or um, you know, depending on the decomposition process, 408 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: you're dealing with possible deep bruising that may be available 409 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: in photographs using u V light or i R lighting 410 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: and that can show hand size. Uh, that's a possibility. 411 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: And you know, I've also heard rumors that there may 412 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: be and this is kind of a stretch, but there 413 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: may be an opportunity to use what's called superglue fuming 414 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: on their next to find out if there's any what 415 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: we call ridge detail left from the perpetrator on the skin. 416 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: Now after four days, that may be a very remote possibility, 417 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: but the possibility still exists. So if investigators are using 418 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: all of these tools. It is really my hope that 419 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: all of those clues lead right back to Chris. What 420 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: right where it belongs? Explain to those are not from 421 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: that are not familiar with the super glue fuming. How 422 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: does it work. It's kind of a complicated process. It 423 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: started back in the nineties with some experienced some experiments 424 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: by Ivan Futrell and Art Bohannan of the Knoxville Police Department. 425 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,239 Speaker 1: Ivan Futrel from the FBI, they took cadavers and they 426 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: did experiments placing their fingerprints on the skin of these cadavers. 427 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: And what they did is they use what's called it's superglue, 428 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: and they use the fuming methods. They would put a 429 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: tent over the body and put some drops of literal 430 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: superglue onto a warming plate and it creates fumes. It 431 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: it disperses itself into this tent and it will settle 432 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: on the ridge detail of the fingerprints on the skin. Now, again, 433 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: it's a very complex process and it doesn't always work. 434 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: It's it's there's very few, uh possible us for this 435 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: to happen. However, if those ridge details are available on 436 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: the next of these children after they do this process. Um, 437 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: then there's the possibility of enhancing those fingerprints using powders 438 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: and the possibility of them uh sending them off to 439 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: a latent print examiner to see if we can compare 440 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: them to Chris Watts's known print. To Dr Bethany Marshall, 441 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: not only are we taking calls at nine O nine 442 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: forty nine crime, we're getting a ton of Facebook messages 443 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: and here's one from fruit Loop, who I would love 444 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: to meet. On the video, she Shinn tells Chris Watts 445 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: they're expecting. Why doesn't anyone talk about his narcissistic reaction 446 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: when he says quote, when you want it you foot 447 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: Loop says he's placing blame on her, and also why 448 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: is she doing all these videos to praise him. It 449 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: seems like a narcissistic hold he has on her, playing 450 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 1: on her illness, which I believe she had. Looke Well, 451 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: I think that's very insightful of fruit Loop, because women 452 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: who are in relationships with sociopaths or or pathological narcissists 453 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: do tend to always try to fluff them up, to 454 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: inflate them to make them feel better. And we know 455 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: this idea of like, well, when you want it, you 456 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: get it. I don't hear that as blaming her. I 457 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: hear that as a trite, rehearsed, stereotyped statement that doesn't 458 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: really mean anything at all, and so she passed. Because 459 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: they have such a shallow emotional life, they tend to 460 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: talk this way, they use trite, rehearse sayings because they're 461 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: really not feeling anything at all. He wasn't excited that 462 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: she was pregnant. I mean, he put his daughters in 463 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: vats of oil. He does not love this family. So 464 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: I hear just very flat affect and complete disinterest in 465 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: the pregnancy. A lot of you know, my part of 466 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 1: my story, UM my health challenges, UM ad relationships, UM 467 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: things that could have knocked somebody down, completely hardcore. UM. 468 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: But the thing is is I believe that everything in 469 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: life happens for a reason, and I also believe people 470 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: are placing in our life for a reason. You're hearing 471 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: Shenan Watts talking about meeting her husband as she battled 472 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: her lupus. You know Dr Bethany and Ellen Colornin with me, 473 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 1: Kieren Smith and Dr Jane Gorniac. The most recent development 474 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: is that triple murder suspect Chris Watts is now trying 475 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: to keep secret his visitors behind bars. Now, as of 476 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: right now, the judge Marcello cop Cow has ruled against 477 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: the motion, but he is claiming Chris Watts is claiming 478 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: that the guests he has his visitors behind bars will 479 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: reveal a quote crucial element in his legal representation to 480 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall. Why the cloak and dagger? Why is 481 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: he filing a motion to keep secret all of his 482 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,719 Speaker 1: visitors behind bars? I've never heard that that's public record. 483 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: I call this the Casey Anthony syndrome. You remember, when 484 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: she was behind bars, she kept pressuring her mother to 485 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: get in touch with her boyfriend. Even when she was incarcerated. 486 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: She was much more interested in her love life than 487 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: in the fact that her little girl was missing. And 488 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: the fact that Chris Watts wants his visitors to be 489 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: kept secret. I keep wondering, who are all these people 490 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: out there that he might be having affairs with, He 491 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: might be trying to pursue that, He's trying to continue 492 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: some side hustle with even though his wife and daughter 493 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: are dead, He's still more invested in his own life. 494 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: And also this whole thing of like she made me 495 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: do it, like the dog ate my paper, that kind 496 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: of thing, you know, blaming another person. I hear all 497 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: of this is just continued attempts to cover up all 498 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: of his motivations instead of to be transparent. He'll never 499 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: be transparent. It'll be one after another. Another possibility as 500 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: to why he is keeping wants to keep all of 501 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: his visitors a secret, which is public record. To Dr 502 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: Jeanne Gornia at Fulton County Medical Examiner, I recall every 503 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: time I had a homicide, I would have to go visit. 504 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: I didn't have to, I would because I wanted to 505 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: go visit the medical examiner to go through every single 506 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: line of the autopsy report so I could understand it 507 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: in playing English, not medical terms, to convey it to 508 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: a jury. I wonder if he is working with an 509 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: expert much as I'm describing right now, to try to 510 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: find a way out of these murders. Well, it's it's 511 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: a possibility, and I think it's a It's a great 512 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: idea that prosecutors and even defense attorneys meet with the 513 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: medical examiner to one know what the injuries were, how 514 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: they could have occurred at a consistent with this consistent 515 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: with that um and also know what we're gonna say 516 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: when we're on the on the stand and UM, so 517 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: knowing exactly how injuries could occur is very important. So 518 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: I can understand if the defense site is working with 519 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: the medical examiner just to know what injuries there were 520 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: and how or if there's another way they could have occurred. 521 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: So you have this story, but it's a consistent with 522 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: this doctor, and we could also say yes, so in 523 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: a way that could help that the defense site. Also 524 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: in the last hours, triple murder suspect Chris Watts unsuccessfully 525 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: seeks to keep secret his visitational list in the jail. 526 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: Judge Judge Marcelo cop Cow has just ruled against the 527 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: motion from What's his lawyers requesting the sheriff's at the 528 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: jail to be barred from disclosing information about visits to 529 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: him in Colorado's Willed County jail. Now we all know 530 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: that Watts is thirty three years old and he has 531 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: been there since he was arrested in the murders of 532 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: his pregnant why Shenan, and his two daughters. Now in 533 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: the decision, Judge Coopcow, though he does describe confidentiality and 534 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: loyalty of people that work with the defense team. Nonetheless, 535 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: he denies the request. It's because it's a public record. 536 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: Instead of ordering the visitation logs being secret, he instructed 537 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: the prosecution move to review the logs as necessary, with 538 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: the defense being able to seek redactions. So I'm not 539 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: sure exactly how the judge is landing on this. It 540 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: sounds like he's redacting possibly the experts that come to 541 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: visit behind bars while keeping everything else public. Um very 542 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: very unusual move. To Ellen Colauren, do we have any 543 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: idea where his defense is headed. Well, one thing that 544 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: we could possibly look at is the fact as as 545 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: one of one of the one of the panelists was saying, 546 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: who's coming to visit him? And why does he want 547 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: to keep that a secret? When I'm online spoke to 548 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: the man who had an affair with who claims to 549 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: have had an affair with Chris Watts. He said that 550 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: prosecutors have wanted and and and the defense team have 551 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: been wanting to talk to him, and he told me 552 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: that he didn't want to talk to any authorities without 553 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: Chris Watts being present, because he would he wanted both 554 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: of them to be in the same place because he 555 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: felt that Chris would try and lie and misrepresent the situation. 556 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: Now that's pure speculation, but it seems like it's one 557 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: possibility because up until very recently, reports had been saying 558 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: that Chris Wats wasn't taking many visitors at all. So 559 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: why the sudden in secrecy. Who came out of the woodwork? 560 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: Another development that were getting in the last hours, and 561 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: this goes to you, Karen Smith, forensics expert. When the 562 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: bodies of Shennan Watts and the two little girls were 563 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: discovered at that Colorado oil field, police found something reportedly 564 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: on the scene that might further link the death too 565 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: Shenann's husband. It was a bag with a possible footprint, 566 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: according to a prosecution motion that we have obtained now. 567 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: In that motion, the state is asking to take a 568 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: print of Chris Watts's bare feet to determine if his 569 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: footprint matches what is on the bag. It makes me 570 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: think that the bag must have somehow gotten entangled with 571 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: the bodies in the home, because why would he be 572 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: barefoot at an oil field. Karen Smith, How's this going 573 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: to work? That's a great question. That's the first I've 574 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 1: heard of that it has to have come from the 575 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: home week We know that he took the bodies to 576 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: the oil field. We know that that's where they were placed. 577 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: So if they came from the home and he was 578 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: their foot at the time, you know, I don't know, 579 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, these are the questions that I have. Was 580 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: was it a bloody print? Was it a latent footprint 581 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: which means invisible until it's enhanced. Um And I'm not 582 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 1: quite sure how that would play into the scene unless 583 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: it came from the daughter's room, unless it came from 584 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 1: an area of the house that was remote from Chanan 585 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 1: at the time. That's a great question. I'll look forward 586 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: to see how that plays out with me. Dr Bethany Marshall, 587 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: Dr Jane gorni At, Karen Smith, and Ellen Colauren Ellen. 588 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: Prosecutors claim he murdered his family when his wife got 589 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: back from a business trip, but now evidence is also 590 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: emerging that he may have already killed the two little girls, 591 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: and that Chanane comes in and finds them dead. He 592 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: had been with him for the entire weekend taking care 593 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: of them. They were a little little with a lot 594 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: of demands, a lot of uh feeding and caring for 595 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: two little girls that age. Did he just lose it 596 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: taking care of the little girls and kill them? Ellen, 597 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: I mean obviously didn't want to be in a marriage 598 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: to start with. Now he's got another baby on the way, 599 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: well exactly. That explanation that the little girls died before 600 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: shen Shanon even got home is certainly a lot more 601 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: plausible than the claims that he made that that mother 602 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: who left her little little girl so much would hurt 603 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: them in any way. There was a very short time 604 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: between when Shannon came home and when he took them 605 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: to an oil field and buried their bodies, just a 606 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: few hours, So it certainly seems more than reasonable that 607 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: investigators would be looking at the possibility that those little 608 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: girls were already dead when when their mother got home. 609 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: And yvorens the evidence in the investigation unfolding rapidly, and 610 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 1: we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing 611 00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: off Goodbye Friend one