1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome inside with the insiders alongside you, the teams that 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport and Mike Garrifolo. I am Tom Telaicero. This 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: is Part two of the Every Monday podcast and YouTube show. 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: As I always say, the order doesn't matter. You can 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: listen to Part two first, Part one first, or watch 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: it whatever you want to do. 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: Just consume the whole thing. 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: We got a whole lot more to get into here, 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: starting out with the fact that all right, you're gonna 10 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: have to You're gonna get through a Lions Bears game 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: in the morning. 12 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: Everybody likes watching the Lions. 13 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: Now you got Cowboys, Giants, certain people in areas of 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: the country. Mike, go ahead and you know, get a 15 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: second helping a pie, go out and play a turkey 16 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: bowl in the art or something during those games. The evening, 17 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: the Lake game Packers and Dolphins has the potential to 18 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: be a ton of fun here because Mike, we've got 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: a Packers team that's been really, really good through the 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: course this season. I think that anybody objectively looking at 21 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: this is going to say, right now, they're a top 22 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: four team in the NFC. Then he got a Dolphins 23 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: team we talked about this on game day morning yesterday, 24 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: who have kind of remodeled what they are offensively. They 25 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: scored a ton of points with to a tongue of 26 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: Ila quarterback and Tua goes to the podium after they 27 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: blow out the Patriots yesterday and basically is like, bring 28 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: it on your narratives, Abo, we can't win in the call, 29 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: we can't beat good teams, can't wait to knock them down. 30 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: This is a little bit of spice Thursday night. 31 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we thought this was a weird matchup when the 32 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: schedule came out. Maybe I did, but I remember sharing 33 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: it with you and saying like, hey, that's a weird 34 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: Thanksgiving night game, like we would think Packers Dolphins in Lambeau. 35 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: But now it looks pretty good. 36 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: I like it. 37 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 5: You know for all that three weeks ago not so much. 38 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 4: Three weeks ago not so much. 39 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: But you know what, the playoffs didn't start then, you 40 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: know the old the playoffs started today, Well they didn't 41 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: and this game wasn't played then it was played now. 42 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, they have done a good job of adjusting 43 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: their scheme. Ian great report yesterday about Kalais Campbell potentially 44 00:01:59,240 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: being traded. 45 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 4: Mike muh McDaniel. There's too many Mike Max in this league. 46 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel after the game, saying that he threw some 47 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 3: kind of a fit. 48 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 4: What was the quote? Did you see the quote? 49 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was funny. 50 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, he said, Uh, it's funny. 51 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 5: Exactly the way I heard it. 52 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 6: And I didn't describe it like that in the article 53 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 6: because I was like, that sounds weird. But then he 54 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 6: was like, that's exactly. 55 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 5: What I did. 56 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: Why would that sound weird if totally fits the uh. 57 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 5: I mean makes him sound like a what? But he confirmed, 58 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 5: So it's cool. 59 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: Look. 60 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 5: I was not to interrupt you, but take it and 61 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 5: go with it. Yeah. 62 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 6: So that report was interesting for me one because I 63 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 6: knew about it a while ago, at least three weeks ago, 64 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 6: and then two weeks ago I thought about it and 65 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, it's like it's a team that, like, 66 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 6: I don't know how many more games they're gonna win, 67 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 6: and then they won two more games after refusing to 68 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 6: trade Clay's campbell. I'm like, oh, this makes much more sense. 69 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 6: It's so interesting though, because we all talk so much 70 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 6: about trades when they happen, and it's always so exciting 71 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 6: when like a team gets a good player, it's like, oh, 72 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 6: the Bill's got a Marik Cooper, like that's fun, or 73 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 6: like Jetska DeVonta Adams, but the other team has to 74 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 6: do with sending that guy away, and it's always like 75 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 6: it's never the draft pick you imagine. So this would 76 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 6: have been a what did I say? Twenty twenty six 77 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 6: fifth rounder? I think is what I said, And like 78 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 6: that's not enough to make anyone in the locker room 79 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 6: feel good. 80 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 5: That's just what the value is. 81 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 6: So this was all interesting to me that they refuse 82 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 6: to do it, McDaniel especially refuse to do it, and 83 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 6: it ended up they've won now one three in a row. 84 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 5: The other thing is I really enjoyed why. 85 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 6: I enjoyed Mike McDaniel for a lot of reasons. One 86 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 6: of the things I enjoyed most was he had when 87 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 6: he had the T shirts made. 88 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 7: Can I just ask what Mike is? What is happening? 89 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: Watch? 90 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 7: Oh? Okay, sure, go ahead, Sorry. 91 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 6: No, it's fine, Mike, I've We're just yeah. When he 92 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 6: wore the T shirts that were like I wish it 93 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 6: were colder, you know, because like the only way to 94 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 6: really it's like if you know, it's like ifff Kingsbury, 95 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 6: like you talk about the other podcast, KLK Kingsbury was like, 96 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 6: you know, embrace the second half thing instead of like whatever, 97 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 6: it's like, embrace it. You haven't played great in the cold. 98 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 6: You're literally from Miami. Most of your games are hot. 99 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 6: Just wear it, like deal with it approach it had 100 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 6: on So I imagine some sort of like screw the cold 101 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 6: thing on Thursday. The problem is they have to win, 102 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 6: and the Packers are pretty good, but the Dolphins have 103 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 6: actually been I mean, that's tom your thing you did 104 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 6: on Sunday about the like subtle ways the Dolphins offense 105 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 6: has adjusted. I thought was was kind of interesting that 106 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 6: that is what it looks like as far as like 107 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 6: taking more of what's there. I think there they seem 108 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 6: to be judy heading in a pretty good direction. 109 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 7: And I mean the team is totally different when to 110 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 7: is healthy period, right, I mean it looks entirely different 111 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 7: when to healthy. I mean, I appreciate the make it 112 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 7: colder thing. I appreciate it, but you have to, Okay, yeah, 113 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 7: to end a narrative, you actually have to then win 114 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 7: when it's really cold, and right, they've just got to 115 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 7: get over this and it's a problem because the Packers 116 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 7: are really good, right, I mean the Packer It's not 117 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 7: like they're going someplace to play in the cold against 118 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 7: bad teams, which was the problem in Buffalo. Right, I mean, 119 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 7: the Packers are good. This is a huge test for 120 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 7: the Dolphins in a game they are basically in. Every 121 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 7: game is must win territory now because right, I mean, 122 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 7: the Broncos seem to have a stranglehold on that seven 123 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 7: spot at least that's seven wild card spot. So if 124 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 7: the Dolphins are going to push in there, I mean, 125 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 7: they've just got to win every game and hope that 126 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 7: the people ahead of them fail. 127 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: Low of nineteen degrees in Green Bye on Thursday, no 128 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: precipitation in the forecast. 129 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 5: That sounds so bad. 130 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: Basically, what I I talked about on TV yesterday was 131 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: since two has come back, going into yesterday, they were 132 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: averaging almost twenty eight points a game, so that went up. 133 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: They're averaging over four touchdowns a game. Basically, what they've 134 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: done since Tua came back is everybody's been playing them 135 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: increasingly just too deep and take away the deep ball. 136 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: They were still trying to get those shots to Waddle 137 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: and Tyreek and of course, everybody's got those guys in fantasy. 138 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,799 Speaker 1: You know, may not be super thrilled about the production 139 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: so far this year, but they've made the transition for 140 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: me in an explosive offense to an efficient offense. You 141 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: go back to even when they were playing well last season, 142 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: they were very deep shot, big play dependent. They couldn't 143 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: release sustain drives. You look like their average plays per touchdown, drive, 144 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: time of possession, everything has gone up, except the explosive 145 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: plays have gone down. Maybe as you get into later 146 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: in the season, play in that style of offense might 147 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: be advantageous because you're not relying on a potentially windy. 148 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: Cold day at lambeau Field. 149 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: Hey, we got to get a seventy yard touchdown the Tyreek, 150 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: may can you know, lead him out a little bit. 151 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: So that's something that Mike McDaniel and the OC Frank 152 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: Smith there if I worked closely on to figure out, 153 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, kind of what are we going to become 154 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: moving forward here. Jeff Affley has done a really good 155 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: job at that Packers defense. That is going to be 156 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: a fun matchup. 157 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 5: That was a good higher. It was it it seemed 158 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 5: like a weird hire at the time. That was a 159 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 5: pretty good higher. 160 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: That was a that was a scooptown nightmare that night 161 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: standing I think in my hotel at the Senior Bowl 162 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: or the Super Bowl or something when that that got 163 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: pulled out from underneath me. But it's not every day 164 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: that you're the head coach of your alma mater takes 165 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: an NFL defensive coordinator job. And then I had it 166 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: and then was asked to wait and then anyway, that's 167 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: a side story. 168 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 5: Uh, January January thirty. First, you were definitely in Mobile. 169 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that probably was like the Thursday or Friday and Mobile. Yeah, 170 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: we'll be back there in the like two months from 171 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: right now. We'll be back in Mobile, Alabama for the 172 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Here I talked about Judy the you know, 173 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: that's that's the night game. I didn't mean to dispair 174 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: the Lions Bears game because the Bears have given the 175 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: Lions some pretty good runs here in recent years. And 176 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: you watch the Bears right now, I mean it's it's painful. 177 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: Man. 178 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: Like we talked about Washington in part one of the 179 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: podcasts or the crazy ways they've lost. Well least Washington 180 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: beat the Bears on the Hail Mary. The Bears now 181 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: I've lost on a hail Mary, they lost on a 182 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: block field goal, and they lost yesterday on this just calamity. 183 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: Special teams was a big part of it again, and 184 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: that to a large degree, is overshadowing what Matt Everflu 185 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: said today was they are improving, particularly the quarterback Caleb Williams, 186 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: who looked. 187 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 7: Like that guy. 188 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: That's the highest fact that we remembered yesterday. 189 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: It was just everything else around him once again fell short, 190 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: and a team that easily could have seven eight wins 191 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: right now is sitting there at five and seven and 192 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: on the ropes. 193 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 7: Listen, we could do an entire podcast on Kickers and 194 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 7: Mike and like, my god, I mean, wow, Kickers, Holy cow, 195 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 7: did they have a day any They want. 196 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: To suggest again we need to narrow the uprights because 197 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: they're too good, Like everyone was. 198 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 2: Like, no, don't whatever you do, don't do. 199 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 5: That, by the way, man. 200 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 7: Anyway, I feel for the Bears, and I feel I 201 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 7: feel for Caleb Williams, who has certainly gotten better. It 202 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 7: seems like the change in offensive coordinator has been beneficial 203 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 7: and given them a little boost. He seems to be 204 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 7: operating better and with more confidence, and that's good, right, 205 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 7: I mean, you want to see him on the on 206 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 7: the rise. I mean, I just feel like they are 207 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 7: just losing games in gut wrenching ways, Like they're just 208 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 7: not losing, they're just you know, having their heart ripped 209 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 7: out every week. 210 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 5: You know. 211 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 7: I I assume that there will be more changes to 212 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 7: come in Chicago, but I do think, like if you 213 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 7: are a Bears fan, and we certainly all know some 214 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 7: Bears fans, Ali, our editor was texting me about special 215 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 7: teams yesterday during the game that like I needed to 216 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 7: mention them and like what a disaster they are, so 217 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 7: we know, but the good news is if you need 218 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 7: something to hold on. 219 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 4: To, as. 220 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 7: Caleb looks like the real deal Caleb. 221 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 4: It's crazy. 222 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 6: So our researcher Blake has a couple of fun things 223 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 6: that Bears fans will hate. Lost three story games and 224 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 6: when they were tired or leading at any point in 225 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 6: the fourth quarter of overtime, and there were four to 226 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 6: zero in those games before that, that's pretty painful. And 227 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 6: like you know, we talked about earlier in this thing 228 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 6: about the giants and decisions they'll make, and you know, 229 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 6: these coaching decisions. We'll obviously talk more about it as 230 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 6: we get to the last month or so of the season, 231 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 6: Bears have a tough one. Like offenses look better that 232 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 6: you know, the move to Thomas Brown has, at least 233 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 6: in the last two weeks seems to have helped. Offense 234 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 6: looks like a working thing again. Caleb looks definitely better, 235 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 6: seems to be picking it now. The sack he took 236 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 6: at the end was you know, I would say, pretty 237 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 6: mind numbing. But you know, there's definitely been improvement. But then, 238 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 6: how do you explain these losses? Is that coaching is 239 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 6: I mean, as it is, does coaching make a one 240 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 6: or two point difference? 241 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 5: Maybe three point difference? 242 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 6: You know, maybe is is it, you know, the choice 243 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 6: of the kicker or is it the choice of the 244 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 6: special teams coach? I mean, there's a lot that goes 245 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 6: into coaching and staff as some of it. 246 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 5: Is it the. 247 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 6: Players who are the you know, forty seven to fifty 248 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 6: third on there? Like there's a lot of things that 249 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 6: I'm just trying to figure out, like. 250 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 5: Whose fault is it? I guess? 251 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 6: And how do the Bears, which have an unbelievably challenging 252 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 6: decision to make at the end of this year, how 253 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 6: do that make sense? Of what, to me is probably 254 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 6: the toughest coaching decision in the whole thing. 255 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 4: I think it's incredibly disappointing that you. 256 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 3: When they got the ball to start overtime and like 257 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: they're winning this game, They're going down the field their score, 258 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 3: and they didn't carry that momentum into overtime, which is 259 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: weird and not even like you know, oh miss field 260 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: goal at three and out and then gave the ball 261 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: to Minnesota just never never saw it back. 262 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 4: That to me is the most disappointing part. 263 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: It's like if you had lost the game, you know, okay, 264 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 3: well feudal comeback on side kick didn't work at. 265 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 4: The end there and they had the chance. 266 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you get that and you carry how many 267 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: time you see that team come away with the wins. 268 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: So a mix of disappointment on the Bear's part and uh, 269 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: well that was a sack. I'm looking at it now, 270 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: so that was it was. 271 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 5: It was like a twenty yard sack, run the ball, 272 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 5: run the run the ball. 273 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 3: So he scrambled on first down for one yard sack 274 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: for minus twelve and then they're in third and twenty one, penalty, 275 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: third and twenty six. 276 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 4: That never had a shot. 277 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 7: I mean taking the sack is like it's a it's 278 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 7: a mistake, right. 279 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 3: I find myself, I find myself yelling at the TV, 280 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: and I don't care. 281 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 4: I don't root for anybody yelling at the TV. Run 282 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 4: the ball this year more than I ever have. Some 283 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 4: of these teams in the. 284 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 6: Four minute ian what. 285 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 4: Game was it the other night? 286 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: When I was like, oh it was the Browns game? 287 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, that second half? 288 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 4: Run the ball? 289 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: You were not? 290 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 4: I would say, what's that? 291 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 5: You were not the biggest Kendorsy fan at that moment. 292 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 3: Then in the Amazon post game show comes on and 293 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: Ryan Fitzpatrick's like I was writing Ken Dorsey's oh bit 294 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: like w is yeah? 295 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 4: What do you think? Run the ball? Yes, Viv, what 296 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 4: is it? My ear is out? Yes, I know. Well 297 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 4: I'll get one ear on you and one ear here 298 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 4: just to make sure you're so. 299 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: If you see three NFC North teams playing on Thanksgiving 300 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: and the Bears again, regardless of their record, like, there 301 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: is talent there. There's a lot of talent there, and 302 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: if the quarterback plays well, they're going to be in 303 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: these games. You gotta do the little things to win 304 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: the team. We won't see will be Vikings. They take 305 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: on the Cardinals on Sunday, all that game in Minneapolis. 306 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: I would say this too real quick on the Vikings here, 307 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: we aren't starting to get to that point where you 308 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: look at what they did from a roster perspective and 309 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty remarkable. Like going back to the spring, 310 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: and you know, we cover this closely obviously through free 311 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: agency frenzy and everything, and you're watching, you know, Kirk 312 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: Cousins walks away and signs with the Falcons. Daneil Hunter 313 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: was never coming back. Uh, he ends up and going 314 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: to the Texans. They signed this cottery of different people. 315 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: Some guys they got money and you're like, oh man, 316 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: they they really must like that guy based on what 317 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: the game. But they signed Sam Darnold off the scrap heap. 318 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,359 Speaker 1: They sign Aaron Jones after he'd gotten cut by the Packers. 319 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: They sign Jonathan Grenard to replace Daneil Hunter, you know, 320 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: for big. 321 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 5: Money, a guy that wasn't a house. 322 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 6: They sign Blake Cashman and he signed Andrew Van Ginkel. 323 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: Okay, nobody was sitting there based on name recognition. 324 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: That's not really great name recognition at the time, but 325 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: nobody's sitting there going all the Vikings one free agency. 326 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: Here you let Kirk Cousins. 327 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: And Neil Hunter, two of the most important players walk 328 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: out the door. All those guys I just mentioned are 329 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: playing unbelievable. Darnald playing the by far the best football 330 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: in his career. Aaron Jones seems to have found the 331 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: fountain of youth. Grenard has maybe been the best player 332 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: that they have, you know, in terms of his his 333 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: sack production and everything else. And then Andrew Van Ginkles, 334 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: He's have a pick six every week. So credit to 335 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: the Kuoisia Dofho Mensa and Brian Grigson, Demetrius Washington, like 336 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: that whole front office. They've done a really good job 337 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: remodeling and immediately being competitive. I put the Broncos in 338 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of the same category. They of course 339 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: are different than the Vikings because Vikings Roocky quarterback who 340 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: they used the top twelve pick on, is on ir 341 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: for the whole season. Bow Knicks Judy continues to play 342 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: football at a really really high level, to the point 343 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: that you know, me and Ian did a segment yesterday 344 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: where the t up was coming off of a is 345 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: Bo Nicks. 346 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: The offensive MVP. 347 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: And you're kind of like, maybe maybe that guy, I 348 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: mean he might be, especially if the Commanders don't ramp 349 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: it up again, maybe he is. 350 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 7: You know, it's funny because I remember during the draft 351 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 7: when they took bon Knicks, that was sort of like 352 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 7: the afterthought pick. 353 00:15:59,720 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: Right. 354 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 7: You're like, you know Drake May, Jadeen Daniels, like you're 355 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 7: you know Caleb you know, JJ McCarthy and then bow Nicks, 356 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 7: and you thought, well, this will be like a project 357 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 7: for Sean Payton, right, and like the project lasted like 358 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 7: how many weeks? Like okay, and now he is a 359 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 7: full fledged guy. He is the guy. I go back 360 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 7: to that when they were jawing at each other early 361 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 7: in the season. I can't remember what week that was, 362 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 7: when they were, you know, screaming at each other and 363 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 7: everybody was like who Yeah. It's like, I mean, Sean 364 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 7: Payton loves people like that, right, Like he loves guys 365 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 7: like that to a certain degree. But like, Sean Payton 366 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 7: is a Bill Parcells disciple. I mean he's a Bill 367 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 7: Parcell's disciple. He right, Parcels and Phil Simms, captured by 368 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 7: NFL Films a million times, screaming at each other this 369 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 7: is Sean Payton. Sehn's done a great job. Obviously, they 370 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 7: are so much further along than I think anybody thought 371 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 7: they were going to be this year. They are, They're 372 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 7: a problem. I mean they're they've as I said before, 373 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 7: they've got a stranglehold on the seventh seed right now. 374 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 7: I think they have it by two games, a two 375 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 7: game lead for the seventh seed right now, so they 376 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 7: certainly appear to be in very good position for the playoffs. 377 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 7: And that's going to be you know, we talk about 378 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 7: teams you don't really want to face. You probably are 379 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 7: not gonna want to face them or the Chargers if 380 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 7: you're in the AFC field. 381 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 5: Right one and a half game lead the bon Nicks 382 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 5: is such an. 383 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 4: They play Bengals coming up, just don't they play. 384 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be a huge game for both 385 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 3: of those teams as the Bengals try to catch forget 386 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 3: not this. 387 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 5: Week Bengals have someone good this week Steelers or something. 388 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 5: Uh what was I gonna say? 389 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? 390 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 6: Bon Nix is gonna be so interesting to me because 391 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 6: like you dig so deep in the pre draft process, 392 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 6: you do so much work, especially on the quarterbacks. Do 393 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 6: you really learn what everyone thinks of every quarterback, and 394 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 6: like after it you get even more truth about like 395 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 6: what people thought. 396 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 5: A lot of people did not. 397 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 6: Think bon Nicks was a first rounder and then he 398 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 6: struggled early on, and you got a lot of messages 399 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 6: of like, yeah, that's what I thought. 400 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 5: He was going to be low ceiling, like you know, 401 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 5: who knows. 402 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 6: And I think a lot of people, a lot of 403 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 6: really smart people, did not believe that bow Knicks would 404 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 6: be a successful starting quarterback. 405 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 5: And he sure looks like one. 406 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 6: And that's just going to be interesting to me to 407 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 6: follow and all these you know, we haven't seen all 408 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 6: of them play yet. Obviously Jji mcarthy hasn't played yet. 409 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 6: For instance, Drake May has played, but on a team 410 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 6: that's very bad. 411 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 5: This is going to be so fun. 412 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 6: And interesting to follow to see who is right because 413 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 6: so many smart people thought bow Knicks could not really 414 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 6: do what he has been doing right now, which is 415 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 6: pull up mediocrely talented offense and make them pretty good. 416 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 3: What I was thinking about bow Knicks today is we 417 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: were because every Monday you check the draft order, what 418 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 3: does it look like now? 419 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 4: And I've found. 420 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 5: Myself who's got the first pick Jackson. 421 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jackson again, And I find myself saying, yeah, I 422 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: do a weekly Seattle radio hit and they talk about 423 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: Gino Smith and it's like, well, what do they do 424 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: with Geno? 425 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 4: It's like, well, hold on the. 426 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: Gino because you're just never going to be in position. 427 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 3: They're too good to be up at the top to 428 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 3: select one of these. There are quarterbacks available after the 429 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 3: top ten. You know, these guys can be had if 430 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: you have the right structure, if you have the right coach, 431 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 3: and you find the right makeup for these guys to 432 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: make it happen. So bo Nix is a good example 433 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: of that that you don't have to be in the 434 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 3: top five to necessarily get yourself a quarterback that looks 435 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: pretty good here. So he's certainly been that and he 436 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: and go back to the draft projections. I think a 437 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: lot of the issue with people was how much of 438 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: his throws were behind the line of scrimmage. 439 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 4: Near the line of scrimmage. 440 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 3: Is not a lot of downfield stuff on tape, and 441 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 3: they want to see it. They want to be able 442 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: to point to something on tape and say, oh, there 443 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: it is. 444 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: There. 445 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: He is working the field. 446 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 3: There, he is working his eyes there he is driving 447 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 3: a ball, an NFL type throw, and it just wasn't 448 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: enough of that on tape. 449 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 4: And obviously Sean Payton. 450 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 3: Saw what he liked and decided that this is a 451 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: guy he can work with, and he has been working with. 452 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 4: Him all right. 453 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: There's a time we haven't even had a chance to 454 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: get into out of Sunday's games. Mike could be one 455 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: more takeaway a team we haven't talked about yet that 456 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: you're interested in. 457 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 3: Buccaneers looked at the schedule and said, boy, there are 458 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: some winnable games coming up. They took care of the 459 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 3: first of those. They've got Carolina this week on the road. 460 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: I forget who the third one is off the top 461 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: of my head, but Atlanta's now got the Chargers coming in, 462 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 3: which is a tough game potentially for them. 463 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 4: They got another tough one after. 464 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: That could go zero and two Bucks could go to 465 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 3: and oh, all of a sudden, the Bucks are back 466 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 3: in first place in the NFC South. But you've got 467 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 3: to execute to do it. You got to go into 468 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 3: a place like the Giants. You got to put your 469 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: foot on their throat. 470 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 4: They absolutely did that. 471 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: I liked how they got Mike Evans involved in his 472 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 3: first game back. They've got talent everywhere. Baker Mayfield doing 473 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: this to the crowd, which I was So. I was 474 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: talking to a Giants fan today and I was like, 475 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 3: it's not like Tommy DeVito is a beloved figure in 476 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 3: your franchise history. Like if there was an LT thing 477 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: and somebody did it. 478 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 4: People be whoa, whoa, whoa. 479 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 3: The fact that he did the the veto, he said, yeah, 480 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: I didn't care, that's fine, go ahead. 481 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: That reminded me of just like a like viral corner 482 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: of the Earth moment in the NFL history. Remember when 483 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: Michael Sam sacked Johnny Manzell in a preseason game and 484 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: did at that point that was the money sign. That's 485 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: what I was thinking, Baker Mayfield doing the veto. 486 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 5: I also, I somehow do remember that. 487 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 4: I appreciate it. 488 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 7: However it was we were saying, it was like they 489 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 7: were doing pull up dude, like did. 490 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 5: You catch right after? If you if if the tape runs. 491 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 6: So he does the thing and then he celebrates, and 492 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 6: then clearly someone asks him like what in the world 493 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 6: are you doing? 494 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 5: And then he goes like. 495 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 6: You know whatever, whatever, h yes, And so he's like 496 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 6: he has to explain it. It's like when you tell 497 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 6: a joke and everyone looks at you and you're like, well, right, 498 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 6: because they've walked into a bar and he got the horse, 499 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 6: and it's like, yes, he had to basically explain his thing. 500 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 2: What do you got. 501 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 6: I want to talk about the Chiefs. They they want yesterday, 502 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 6: another last second win. Congratulations. It was weird though, And 503 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 6: like the Panthers have like sort of slowly become I 504 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 6: think the Titans are maybe headed there too, a team 505 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 6: that you can watch are improving, right, Like both teams 506 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 6: are bad, records will be bad, probably draft high, and 507 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 6: you're like, I can see how this is gonna work. 508 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 5: Maybe next year or in a couple of years. The Chiefs. 509 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 6: Look, I'm not worried about them because they're still the 510 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 6: Chiefs and they still have Patrick Mahomes. But there's been 511 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 6: so many of these where they sort of are right 512 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 6: at the end and they're about to lose and they 513 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 6: pulled out and seems dangerous to me, Like that is 514 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 6: a team they probably should be beating by double digits. 515 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 6: That's a game that should be in hand and it's not. 516 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 6: And like this one, the offense was fine, it was 517 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 6: the defense that probably didn't look great. I just I'm 518 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 6: slightly starting, maybe sort of kind of to worry about 519 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 6: the Chiefs for the first time, judy all season, and 520 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 6: that maybe they're just not quite doing what they need 521 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 6: to do. 522 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 523 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 7: I have been a believer, just like get back to 524 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 7: me in January. But yesterday I think I was the 525 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 7: most concern that I've been about them, because that's a 526 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 7: team that I think we think that they're going to 527 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 7: just blow off the field, and when they didn't, and 528 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 7: when they were very much in dire straits there for 529 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 7: a while, I thought, oh, well, this is a bad thing. 530 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 5: Anyway. 531 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 7: I will talk about the Texans and speaking of concern, 532 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 7: concern about c J. Stroud, who admittedly like set such 533 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 7: a high bar as a rookie, right like just such 534 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 7: a crazy great rookie season that he is now suffering 535 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 7: in the comparison, Having said that, he's undeniably in like 536 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 7: having a sophomore slump. Maybe his especially in recent weeks, 537 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 7: his yards per passe attempt is way down, his completion 538 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 7: percentages off, he's throwing interceptions. He's already got nine interceptions 539 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 7: this season. He threw two yesterday. He's got nine. He 540 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 7: only had five last year, I think in all of 541 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 7: last season, so he's way ahead of where he was 542 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 7: last season. Again, I think last season such an operation. 543 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 7: It was so good that now the comparison seems especially extreme. 544 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 7: But he is struggling now. Part of it is the 545 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 7: offensive line is dreadful. The wide receivers have been banged up. Obviously, 546 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 7: Stefan Diggs has gone for the season. Nico Collins is 547 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 7: back now, but he was out for a while, so 548 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 7: that's part of it. He is struggling, he said himself. 549 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 7: He is not playing well, and they're gonna I mean, 550 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 7: I think they're going to make the playoffs anyway, because 551 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 7: the division is so poor and the Colts are the 552 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 7: only ones that have any kind of conversation about catching them. 553 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 7: But I think we all had so many higher expectations 554 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 7: for the Texans. I think we thought they would take 555 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 7: a leap this year after seeing what Stroud died as 556 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 7: a rookie, and that leap has not happened. And as 557 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 7: a matter of fact, I think they're coming back a 558 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 7: little bit. 559 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: I'll drop of one other team here too, really a division, 560 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: because we've just barely touched on the NFC West, which 561 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: is a very very muddled division, and it seems to 562 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: be very week to week. I know that some people 563 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna look at, you know, the Cardinals and it's like, 564 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: what what happened to them? I'm going to take the 565 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: flip side of this, which is the Seahawks are starting 566 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: to look more like what you would anticipate and hope 567 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: they're going to in the Mike McDonald era, because they 568 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: went to a really rough stretch where when the Giants 569 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: went into Seattle and scored twenty nine points on Mike 570 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: McDonald's defense, like, that's not what they're intending to be. 571 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: They they knew that, you know, the linebacker play wasn't 572 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: good enough. 573 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: They went out and they traded for Ernest Jones, and 574 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: they've made other moves to try to get that thing 575 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: in shape. How they played the last couple of weeks 576 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: holding down the forty nine ers in San Francisco and 577 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: then completely shutting down a Cardinals offense to that to 578 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: this point had been pretty good. Yet, do you want 579 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: to get more out of your offense with you know, 580 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: the wide receiver Seattle does? Of course, you want to 581 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: establish more of a running game than they have to 582 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: this point. But if the defense plays like this, you know, 583 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: this is very much the way that Pete Carroll got 584 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: things right for a long time in Seattle two, which 585 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: was play to the defense eventually get the running game go. 586 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: You know, they're they're they're building this thing in Mike 587 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: McDonald's image. I was encouraged watching the way that Seattle 588 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: played in that game. 589 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: Final thoughts, Monday Night Football. We got the Harbor Bowl. 590 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: It's not a super Bowl on the line, Judy, Presumably 591 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: the lights at SOFI stadiums are stay on for this one. 592 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: What are you looking for, listen. 593 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 7: I'm looking to see if the Ravens defense can hold 594 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 7: up against an offense that has really been rolling. And 595 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 7: Justin Herbert has looked great, and Harbaugh could not adore 596 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 7: Justin Herbert anymore than he already does. But I'd be 597 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 7: concerned about that Ravens defense, which has been a problem 598 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 7: during the season. 599 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 5: I would like to know what the Chargers are. Whenever 600 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 5: I watch them, they look like. 601 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 6: A little bit like the Eagles in sort of a 602 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 6: weird way where they're like tough and physical and like 603 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 6: a little bit machine like. And it seems too early 604 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 6: for them to be like this, but maybe not. Maybe 605 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 6: Harbaugh is really this good. If they throw around the 606 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 6: Ravens tonight, we're gonna then a lot of people are 607 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 6: gonna talk about the Chargers. That's that's pretty fun matchup tonight, 608 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 6: not even for the backstory, which I guess is cool, 609 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 6: but like for the football side, it's pretty awesome. 610 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: I would think you'd want the Ravens, uh if if 611 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 3: you know, if you're the Ravens, you want to open 612 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: this up and you'd like to have a high scoring 613 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 3: But there was a high scoring game last week that 614 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 3: the Chargers wound up winning. Uh So they at least 615 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 3: showed that they can play that kind of a game. 616 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 3: That was all their points at once, then the Bengals points, 617 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 3: and then they got what they. 618 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 4: Needed at the end. There. 619 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: Hang on, I'm making a great point about Monday night football, Biff, 620 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 3: Are you. 621 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: Well? You know what? We're out of time? 622 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, just watch the game. 623 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: You didn't want to get the last word? Does she 624 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: want to come? 625 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 4: Can you say about everybody? So happy Thanksgiving? 626 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: Good bye game? Now that now Thanksgiving to everybody. 627 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 1: But guess what we got two more shows before Thanksgiving Tuesday, 628 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: Wednesday night, seven pm Eastern Time on NFL network again. 629 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: You can find this show in two parts on YouTube 630 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,719 Speaker 1: as well as the podcast. Every Monday also Thursdays normally, 631 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: but not this week. We were on the Fast Channel, 632 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: the NFL channel on fast streaming platforms as well as YouTube. 633 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: It's podcast five days a week. You can't miss us. 634 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot for hanging out with us today. For 635 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: Mike inbian 636 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: Juny, I'm don We'll see you.