1 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. This is the all New All Ball 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb here and just a reminder, you can listen 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: to the daily radio show three to six Eastern twelve 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: to three Pacific. You can also listen to in the 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app or likely wherever you downloaded this podcast, 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: you can download that daily podcast. Hope you're great, and 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: we are creeping into a time in which we're gonna 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: have basketball. I guess we have had basketball with TBT, 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: with the Basketball Tournament on TV. Get Gets talk a 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: little bit about that in a second, But um, like 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: NBA basketball is a couple of weeks away, and it's 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating because as much as we we like 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: to act like no one's been doing anything, I think 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: the reality is lots of guys have been doing something. Now. Look, 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: I have heard several players say, well, I hadn't touched 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: the ball for a couple of months. I find that 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: to be bullshit. Frankly, Um, it doesn't mean that you've 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: been doing You are doing full workouts the entire time. 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: But the I haven't touched the ball in three months, 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: Come on, and maybe you haven't, but that's negligence. You 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: do well there was just no gym's open. Try that 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: one with your coach. You know, we're gonna be reasonable 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: about health and injuries and all that other stuff. But 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: in the real in the real world of sports, I 25 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: don't buy for a second that guys UH didn't touch 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: a basketball or like guys couldn't find a gym, right, 27 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: but everybody has. If you, if you're if you're an 28 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: NBA player, I guarantee there is a basketball gym which 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: you could get some shots up. Could you be in 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: your regular routine? Of course not, that's that's reasonable. But 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: this idea, and I'm not talking about you had a 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: Mike Conley set up. He had a full gym in 33 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: your house. Every one of those guys if they wanted to, 34 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: they wanted to, was working on their game or working 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: on their body. All right, let's welcome him in. I 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: want to talk to hoops. I got some different thoughts. 37 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Eric Bossey, who's UH a lead basketball analysts for Rivals, 38 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: good friend of the program, the radio program, and he 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: has been on the pod before. He's awesome. Let's get 40 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: after it. Let's let's welcome in. He's Eric Fosse, he's 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: a friend of the pod and I think he does 42 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: a great job, and uh, Eric, I really appreciate you 43 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: taking some time with this. Um. What are your expectations 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: for basketball in the bubble? Like when I say I 45 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: hadn't played for a couple of months, they're gonna they're 46 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: gonna have they have a short training camp, they start 47 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: games in a couple of weeks. What are your expectations 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: for what hoop looks like. Uh, I think it's gonna 49 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: be hopefully a little bit higher level than most people 50 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: are expecting, just because I feel like there's a lot 51 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: of these guys who are ready to get out there 52 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: and continue. But even if if it's not up to 53 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: the standards that we would be expecting normally, we're watching 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: basketball in the summer is normally, you know, Jude or 55 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: July basketball is the NBA Finals, right when it's at 56 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: his highest level. I'm sorry, I got a lung to 57 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: goron by, so we know that it's not going to 58 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: be perfect, but I don't think it's gonna be terrible, 59 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: And frankly, I really don't care. I'm just so excited 60 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: to get to see basketball. And I don't know, I'm 61 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: kind of a nerd. I keep seeing these random names 62 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: like the Michael Beasley's of the world popping up and 63 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: getting another shot at things. I'm kind of interested to 64 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: see these guys and see, maybe can these guys were 65 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: fighting for the professional lives inject a little bit of 66 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: life into things. Yeah, I mean, look, I think they're 67 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: gonna get buckets. I think whether it's Beasley if he 68 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: gets minutes, or is Jamal Crawford. Um, I don't think 69 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: those those type of guys generally win games, but yes, 70 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm with you, it feels like it for those that 71 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: like an advanced veterans sort of summer league where you're 72 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: gonna match up those type of guys with some there 73 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: will be some G League guys playing at who are hungry, right, hungry, 74 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: hungry to play, And that part of it is I 75 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: didn't even think of that. That part of it should 76 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: make it fun. Yeah, it's just obviously that's not who 77 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: you're tuning in for, Like I'm tuning in to see 78 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: who's gonna win a championship. You know how Lebron gonna 79 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: look after all these things like any normal basketball fan, 80 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: but also you know, as someone who lives and breeding basketball, 81 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: all these different substories that they're really interesting to me. 82 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: They're interesting to me as well. Um. I guess my 83 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: thought is pre the the the games before the playoffs, 84 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: especially the teams that are established, my guests would be 85 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: they cycle through everybody, they work at, they work on stuff, 86 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: they they let everybody plays like right, like if you've 87 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: got a uniform in, some socks and some shoes you're 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: getting in. I think that part will be interesting. Up 89 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: for like the Lakers and the Bucks and the Clippers. 90 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: My expectations are for them to tinker with some lineups, 91 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: play some depth, you know, try some different things as well, 92 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: and it will be I can advance preseason, which I 93 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: which I really like. And then you have all those kinds. 94 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: Then you have the teams that are not playoff teams 95 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: and that's you know, like like the Washington Wizards and 96 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: how they play will be interesting. And then you have 97 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: the Nets who all their best players decided to to 98 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: not show up. What what I want you? When you 99 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: see some of these dudes complaining about food and accommodations, 100 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: what do you think? Uh? On one hand, I kind 101 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: of get it because they're they're they're they're they're rich, right, 102 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: And I think any rich person or a lot of 103 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: rich people are a lot of people would means in 104 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: that situation who are used to a certain level of service. 105 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: There's there's gonna be some grass and we'd like to 106 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: say that we wouldn't, but you know, I mean, I'm 107 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: far from rich. And as I've gone through the years, 108 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: I've been known to complain a time or two about 109 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: a hotel that a lot of people would be very 110 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: happy to stay in. But I think right now a 111 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: lot of it is on the tongue in cheek and 112 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: just kind of a woes me. But I really don't 113 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: think it's that big of an issue. And you know, 114 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: there's lots of things for me to get upset about 115 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: in my life NBA players compared complaining about their food 116 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: and Disney just isn't on tie on my list of 117 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: things to worry about. No, I don't. But I also 118 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: think that that it's it's um here's the part that 119 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: I was thinking of, where on one level, we're starting 120 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: to realize or maybe the guys are starting to realize 121 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: that they do have power behind their voice, right like, like, look, 122 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: your respected guys, because in your chosen craft, you've made 123 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: it and many of these guys, as you've known following 124 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: them through the recruiting circuit, like they're they're actually very 125 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: very bright guys who would be successful in whatever field 126 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: they chosen. They're just bodies and skills, and early development 127 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: was basketball, and so they've used that and it's built 128 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: their platform. Be like wow, you know, there's a lot 129 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: of the rest of America who has come to figure 130 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: out that these guys are actually super, super bright, active 131 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: citizens the United States. The juctaposition of that with the 132 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: bitching about food and a decent hotel room, you know, 133 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: where America goes to vacation with their kids. I just 134 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: think it's a it's a little bit of a dicey 135 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: thing because the old picture is worth a thousand words, 136 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: like video with commentary is worth even more words than that. 137 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: And I just think you have to be very You're like, 138 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: you don't have to kiss everybody's ass and tell them 139 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: how great Disney World is and how amazing it is 140 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: and when you're showing a regular hotel room. But I 141 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: I just think there's a limit, and you've got to 142 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: be smart with your use of social media. If you're 143 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: gonna use social media just to have fun and to 144 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: clown around with what's going on in quarantine. Cool, but 145 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: use it for that and then you you want to 146 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, you want social change. I think that can 147 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: be really hard for most people's brains, like my ear brain, 148 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people we understand there's 149 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: a difference there. I don't know if that's how more 150 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: people take can make the switch in the social media. Oh, 151 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: now you're serious about demanding social change. Five minutes ago, 152 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: you're complaining about the fact that you've got a sandwich 153 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: in some sort of plastic container. Yeah, I think I 154 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: think that's a really fair point, doug Um. You know, 155 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: I think what you're getting to is because some of 156 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: the message there, some of the greater, broader, more important 157 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: societal messages they're looking at me made, can some people 158 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: look at them to go, well, I can't take this 159 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: guy seriously. He's he's graping about I was chicken looks 160 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: is staying in the Swan and Disney, Right. I get that, 161 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: and I see that, and I see some merit in that. 162 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: But I also think that anyone who's small minded enough 163 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: to dismiss someone uh position on social issues or things 164 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: like that because they complain about some food, you're probably 165 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: not changing their mind anyway. Yeah, that's a it's a 166 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: that's a very smart point me, Eric Bossi joining us 167 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: here in the All Ball podcast years ago. Lebron um, 168 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't just that he chose Miami. It was the 169 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: way in which he went about it. And look, you've 170 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: been around for hundreds of these. I can remember the 171 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: time where I put on the Notre Dame hat to 172 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: choose Notre Dame and we had a little press conference. 173 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: It's like a tradition that seems to be you know, 174 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: like I remember, was it like Johnny be Good? Right? 175 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: That was the but in that movie in the I 176 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: think the eighties Anthony Michael Johnny be Good, where you 177 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: have a big press conference you announce where you're gonna 178 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: go to school. That was kind of what Lebron did, 179 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: only he hired Jim Gray. They did in Connecticut. There 180 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: was some weird aspects to it. First thing ten years 181 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: ago when that announcement came down. Where were you, Um, 182 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: I was in a gym watching a basketball so I 183 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: didn't even get to watch it on TV. Where gosh, 184 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: I can't remember. I would imagine probably probably at the 185 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: Peach Jamber getting ready for the Pam. But I know 186 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: I didn't watch it on TV, and so given the 187 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: time of year, I'm gonna assume I was watching summer basketball, 188 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: all right, So what do what? What was? Do you 189 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: remember what you thought? Was you just nodding or did 190 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: you think it was weird? Like? What do you think? 191 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: There was a lot of talk about, cause certainly it 192 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: caused a lot of things. Um to me, I thought 193 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: it was I didn't think it was. I thought a 194 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: little bit much ado about not thinking And when I 195 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: saw the video of it, I thought back to when 196 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant announced coming out of high school, because he 197 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: said something very similar. He said that he was gonna 198 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: take his talents to the NBA, and so I thought 199 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: maybe it was kind of a nod to Kobe in it. 200 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you know, things just exploded. 201 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: I guess I didn't realize that it would it would 202 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: rub so many people the wrong way. I was just like, 203 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, this is a a young guy making a 204 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: big deal, trying to do something different, and maybe it 205 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: didn't go off perfectly, but you know, I guess I'm 206 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: more of a don't get too fired up about things 207 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: you can't control and I'm sure in retrospect Lebron would 208 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: like to do it differently, But I think the bigger 209 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: conversation and it was what it led to, what's kind 210 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: of the formation of the super keep and stuff that 211 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: are coming about. And I think that more more than 212 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: how he did it, there's what really got some people going. 213 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: Did well it was it good for basketball? Yeah? I 214 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: mean I don't I don't think it was. I don't 215 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: think it was bad for basketball. Um, you know, we 216 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: all like to see guys compete ball man. I kind 217 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: of like seeing really good players play with other really 218 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: good players, and that movement and they got going with 219 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: with him and and and Wade and Bosh and it 220 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: ushered in kind of a new era whereas you had 221 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: super teams in the past, but they were they were 222 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: built from within because guys were locked in the longer 223 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: contracts and free agency was so much different and stuff 224 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: like that. So it was kind of I guess the kickoff, 225 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: kickstart and the jumping off to the NBA that we've 226 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: see right now. And you know, as I mentioned to you, 227 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: Sorry if I'm rambling here, I mentioned to you, I 228 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: thought that was I thought it was a little bit 229 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: of byproduct of the summer basketball system that Lebron came 230 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: up in. When you know, he was traveling to play 231 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: with the team out of Oakland with Kendrick Perkins in 232 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: leon Po and stuff like that. And I thought it 233 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: was just a manifestation of the summer thing that most 234 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: of those younger star NBA players who didn't send much 235 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: time in college came up through making its way to 236 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: the NBA, and those guys kind of learning that hey, 237 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, we got flown all around in summer ball. 238 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: Now we could kind of we could kind of take 239 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: controls things and kind of reshape the NBA. Yeah. The problem, 240 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: the downside to it is um again, the juxtaposition with 241 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: the National Football League, where player movement is not, especially 242 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: with the most important position at quarterback. It rarely happens 243 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: in the prime of somebody's prime, with somebody's career because 244 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: really they have to want to get rid of you 245 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: in order for that to happen. Right, Like Brady left, 246 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: but Brady's forty three years old. Uh, bred Farv left, 247 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: but bred Farv had retired and come back. It was 248 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: his third time he was trying to come back. Um, 249 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is like thirty eight, thirty nine years old, 250 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: and that that's the only where's you know in the 251 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: primus career is no chance he's getting out of sane 252 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: diego no chance. And these guys moved for the most 253 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: part in the prime of their career. And what I 254 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: think that does is between the teams, the familiar familiarity, 255 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: and even the opponents of the teams. You you know, well, 256 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: every year when you played the Annapolis Colts, you had 257 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: Paid Manning. Every year when you play the Patriots, you 258 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: got Tom Brady, et cetera. Like there's a it's better 259 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: for the sport. And I think the same is true 260 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: with the NBA. And I again, I understand the Lebron 261 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: like for to me, the Lebron thing was more. Also, 262 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't just about playing with otter players than he 263 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: had in Cleveland, or for better organization. But I also 264 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: think it was about a kind of a coming of age. 265 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: He hadn't gotten a chance to get out of Ohio. 266 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: He went to high school there, he played professionally there, 267 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: and like at some point, like man, I gotta see 268 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: what the you know, I gotta see what the some 269 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: other part of the world is, Like I gotta gotta 270 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: grow up, and I think he did, and and I 271 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: think even losing that first NBA Finals helped him grow 272 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: up and and then and then obviously came back and 273 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: made it a success story. But I understood it. I 274 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: can understand it and tell you he had every right 275 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: to do it and get why playing around better players 276 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: already better. But I think it it won change the 277 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: trajectory of how we will always look at him fair unfair. 278 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: That's just the reality of it. And secondly, I think 279 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: it changed the landscape of the NBA for the worst 280 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: because guys don't have the same affinity for where they're playing, 281 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: and they're waiting for that moment where they can get 282 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: out and they can, you know, find the guys that 283 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: they've always wanted to play with and create their own 284 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: dream team. Yeah. I think you've got some really fair points, fair, Doug. 285 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: And I think also though, if we're gonna hold players 286 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: to those kind of standards on things, I think ownership 287 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: and general managers and people of that nature and how 288 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: they treat those star players has changed quite a bit too. 289 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: I don't think there's quite as much loyalty from that 290 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: end of things, and so I think that has uh, 291 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: enabled these guys and emboldened them to grab the bull 292 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: by the horns and do this more on their own. Whereas, 293 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: like you said, you're talking about these NFL quarterbacks, there 294 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: was never any questions if those guys are gonna get 295 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: brought back. There's never any question is if Pat Mahomes 296 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: was gonna get taken care of about the Kanas City Chiefs, right, 297 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: I feel in basketball, maybe there's been a little bit 298 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: more questions on those guys, and especially now with the 299 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: way the contracts have taken off and everything and things 300 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: of guys you know, well, you know, we really want 301 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: to keep rad Beal around. Are we gonna pay him 302 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: this next super Max? When you know Bill has been 303 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: nothing but the best guy guy could be for the Wizards, 304 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: And what have they done to help him out? Could 305 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: you blame him for wanting to jump out on his 306 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: next chance? You know, So there's a lot of sides 307 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: you could take him. But I think you've got a 308 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: fair point. And it's definitely I think it's maybe a 309 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: little bit of different and how the different viewers and 310 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: consumers of the NBA look at things. I think the 311 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: more new school Twitter NBA fans probably don't care about it. 312 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: But the old school guys, the more purist and thing 313 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: like you know, who sit around and it really want 314 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: a team and a guy that they can root for 315 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: through his entire career in one place. They don't like it. 316 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: But guys, I think now there's more fans of players 317 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: versus fans of thieves. And it's probably a result of 318 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: guys jumping around. So it's a little bit of both. Yeah, um, 319 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: I and I do think though it, you know, I 320 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: think the AU mentality also has has changed things. I know, 321 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: the Oakland Soldiers thing was always interesting. And look, it's 322 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: interesting because my my late father, I mean, we used 323 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: to bring guys in. Ronnie Henderson stayed in my house 324 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: for us a summer. I mean, you've got to go 325 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: back through I could. We used to have a guy 326 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: from Roman Rushenko who played with Ronnie Henderson and l 327 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: s U uh uh yeah. I can think of like 328 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: thirty guys who would stay at my house from out 329 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: of the area. And then AU of course tried to, 330 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: uh tried to, you know, change the rule where you 331 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: gotta play with guys kind of in your area. But 332 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,239 Speaker 1: but you can get around that by saying you're going 333 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: to prep school or whatever. Like there's there was always loopholes. 334 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: But it's interesting because that movement combined with Lebrons movement UM, 335 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: and I think some player empowerment because of social media, 336 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: and I think that's why we have so much movement 337 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: in college basketball, which I definitely think has hurt the work. Again, 338 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm a transfer and I'm not sure and for people 339 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: don't know, like, yeah, I got in trouble, but I 340 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: was thinking about transferring anyway, just for a better fit 341 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: and to play with better players. Um. But I also 342 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: think that uh so I'd be hypocritical if I didn't 343 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: mention that. But I think all of this movement it 344 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: makes it hard when you turn on college basketball on 345 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: TV to know who's playing for who, because there's so 346 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: much player movement from when you're next, no question, it 347 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: all triples down and it's all part of kind of 348 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: instant gratification. And you know there are a lot of 349 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: players who like this. If you're a school and you're 350 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: recruited kid who went to three different high schools and 351 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: play for four different summer teams, I've got no problem 352 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: with the kid who did that. He needs to do 353 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: whatever he thinks isn't his best interest, right. But if 354 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: you're a school and he recruit that kid expecting that 355 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: you've got the secret saft to be the reason that 356 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: he's not going to switch, well, then I pack it's 357 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: kind of foolish on your part to expect a different result. 358 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: You now, if you can make, if you can if 359 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: you can change that and you can get that kid 360 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: to stay, then wow, you know, more power to you. 361 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: You've done something impressive. But a lot of it is 362 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: is guys taking guys that they know they're going to transfer, 363 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: or as you know this, every spring, we got a 364 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: lot of we get a lot of kids to get 365 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: reached on by schools, and some of us an industry, 366 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 1: we joke around with each other like there's a lot 367 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: of kids where we could probably write their transfer story 368 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: the same day we write their commitment story, just because 369 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: we know either a history of jumping around or we 370 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: know that a schools taking a guy just to take 371 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: a guy. So until we get schools not taking guys 372 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: that they know they don't really have any future plans 373 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: for they just want practice bodies. And until we've got 374 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: guys going to places that they're serious about, it's gonna 375 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 1: be a problem that the answers have to from all around. So, 376 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think the NBA and some of those 377 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: things like it contribue it. Because you dream of playing that, 378 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: you watch those guys doing it suponsciously, you think you 379 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: need to do that too. It's a human nature, right. 380 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: But the solution is it's as you know, Doug, it's 381 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: it's a really big conversation and and and it involves 382 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts. Um, okay, so what you 383 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: for for people don't know? Ericson National Basketball Analysts for arrivals. 384 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: You can follow on Twitter at boss Hoops. You can 385 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: follo him on Facebook which is facebook dot com, slash 386 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: e Boss Hoops on Instagram at the Boss Hoops as well. 387 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 1: He's McDonald's all American voter. This is your time of year, right, 388 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: this is July. You're supposed to be pee jam Vegas, 389 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: Indian speace, you know, maybe coming here and watch some 390 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: pangos or some l A staff or whatever. Um, how 391 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: how are you able to do your job to evaluate? 392 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: And we didn't have a conclusion to high school most 393 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: high school hoops. We didn't have spring and we're not 394 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: having summer. Yeah, it's it's been tough dugs because for 395 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: the most part, most state High Schools Association has got 396 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: their seasons completed or at least to a final four, 397 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: quarterfinals or something like that, so you're able to go 398 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: back and review the last month and a half of 399 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: the season. So because there's so much more film available, 400 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: whether it be with huddle or NHS or streaming services 401 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: or whatever, so you can you can find a pretty 402 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: good representation of how how a player finished his sophomore, freshman, software, junior, 403 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: or high school. Those are the guys that were evaluating now, right, 404 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: But to go beyond that, it's tricky because with these kids, man, 405 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: what they looked like in February of their sophomore year, 406 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: it looks a lot different than what they look like 407 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: in July before junior year of high school. There's a 408 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: lot of growth and a lot of maturation going on there. 409 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: And yes, there's there's some events out there that are 410 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: being streams. Uh, you know, like you mentioned Pengos Donos 411 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: Is run leagues in Arizona and Iowa and Utah. There's 412 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: been a lot of events in Texas, Florida and things 413 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: like that. But that's really I would guess maybe only 414 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: of the country is really out there playing and guys 415 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: aren't playing against the same level of competition that you're 416 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: used to sing against. And we're watching things online and 417 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: some streams are great, some streams are not great. So 418 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: it's it's made a very tough to evaluate. You can 419 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: you still I still probably spend I don't know a 420 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: minimum sendence twelve hours each weekend watching live streams to 421 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: try and keep up on guys and follow up on guys, 422 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: and people are given me STIPs on but you just 423 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: can't substitute being in the gym and seeing guys because 424 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: you get so much better feel for actual size, actual 425 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: level lettuces and speed of the games, things like that, 426 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: um you know, its ability to side on the fly. 427 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: And then also we're only getting a quarter of the picture, 428 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: and it's hard to sit there and say, okay, I 429 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: feel like this guy's elevated into a top twenty five 430 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: player nashally the top one hunter player or whatever, or 431 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: high major wins. You can't see him against three quarters 432 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: in the rest of the country, or even if not 433 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: against him, you can't see those guys from all those 434 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: other regions. So it's really tricky and man, I can't 435 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: imagine what it's like for college coaches right now, because 436 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: I know what's happening. They're getting called from high school coaches, 437 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: summer coaches, and they're getting told, hey, man, you guys, 438 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: say my word for this guy's this guy is a 439 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: good night. You need to offer him. And we're in this. 440 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: You've got to offer environment right now in high school sports. 441 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: And I think that a few things are gonna happen. 442 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna see some guys go too high, some guys 443 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: go too low. And like you're talking about with the 444 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: transfers that have been bad, now we're about to enter. 445 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: We're about to enter like a tsunami of transfers. And 446 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: compared to the hurricane or whatever you want to call it, 447 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: a transfers it it's going to get a lot worse 448 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: before it gets better. I think I'm fascinated by like 449 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: three names I want to ask you about in one. 450 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: Let me start with Patrick Baldwin. Um. He's a top 451 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: five on everybody's list, maybe top ten, I don't know 452 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: where you have evaluated. For people who don't know, his 453 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: dad is the head coach u W Milwaukee. His dad 454 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: also played at Northwestern and he's a former assistant with 455 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: Doug Collins. Um, he's a great student, he's a very 456 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: good player. He's six nine. Last time we saw him, 457 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: it was two hundred pounds. And there's the does he 458 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: go to u w M and save his dad's job? 459 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: Does he go to his dad's alma mater and and 460 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: and kind of save save Chris Collins job? Right? Or 461 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: does he go to Duke where, of course Chris Collins played, 462 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: And it would it would kind of make a lot 463 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: of sense. And if the other things, if the other 464 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: entanglements weren't there. For somebody who hasn't seen Patrick Baldwin Jr. Play, 465 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: what is he like? Uh, he's he's gifted. He's extremely skilled. Um, 466 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: he's regardless of position or class, he's one of the 467 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: best shooters in the country. He can handle the ball. 468 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: He's as you might expect from a coach's son. He's 469 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: very fundamentally sound. And by the way, another fun thing 470 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: about Patrick balder and senior with the leaven Worth High 471 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: School where I went, he was a stumer when I 472 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: was a freshman at high school. Um, so I have 473 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: gone way back with those guys. But you know, he's 474 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: a new age player. I think he's you can play 475 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: him in the stretch forward, you can play him as 476 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: a big three. He's got tremendous versatility with with a 477 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: skill set and in a high i Q and the 478 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: guys worker two. So everything that you want in a prospect. 479 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: And like you said, that recruitment is it's it's really 480 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: interesting because by the way you get the North Carolina 481 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: Xucky is the world of water real bed and I'm 482 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: for the Jsy initiative. Would love to have him even 483 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 1: though he's He's meant pretty clear he wants to college. Um, 484 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,239 Speaker 1: I think Duke, it's probably the team to beat, just 485 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: because dad sees big picture and wants to what's best 486 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: overall for a son. But having spoken to both of them, 487 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: you know that that chance of coming to play with dad, 488 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: it's very real. It's not something to be taken lightly. 489 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: I don't think outside of that bubble people can understand 490 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: how important it is for some kids to play for 491 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: their fathers. They've got a chance, especially a coaches's son 492 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: who hasn't had a chance to spend the type of 493 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: time with his father the most kids do. Um, Okay, 494 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: what about Chad Holmgren kid from Minni Haha, Academy. He's 495 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, like seven ft Obviously, everybody in the in 496 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: the in the Midwest wants and everybody naturally wants him 497 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: really really really thin but also skilled. Is he a 498 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: twenty first century player, big and that he can defend 499 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: the rim, stretch the floor, and defend the ball screen? Yeah, 500 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: I think so. Um. You know, I think in the 501 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: NBA it's not a perfect comparison, but you eventually hope 502 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: to see him playing like a Karl Anthony Towns this 503 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: type role, you know, a big stretch five who protects 504 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: the rim but shoots the ball and isn't your typical 505 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: power player around the drim that we would expect seven 506 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: footers of your in the NBA. Yeah, he's got to 507 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: get stronger, but and you know this, you can't mistake 508 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: being skinny for lacking cutness. And the thing that people 509 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: really underrat about Chat is that dude is a competitor, 510 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: Like he'll he'll shove his mother out of the way 511 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: to get a rebound. He doesn't care. Um, he's gonna 512 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: play hard and he's a good athlete. He's just skinny, 513 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: but I think he definitely projects into what people are 514 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: trying to do down the road. The only thing that's 515 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: gonna hamper him is just how long it takes him 516 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: to develop physically. Okay, last player I want to ask 517 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: you about was Kennedy Chandler, Memphis, Tennessee Sunrise Academy. Um. 518 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: I believe you know he and uh maybe J D. Davison, 519 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: maybe Hunter salis a kid from Omaha. Like those are 520 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: three of there's the rough and kid from Mississippi. But 521 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, in the conversation of the top point guard 522 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: in the class, when if somebody hasn't seen Kennedy Chandler, 523 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: what are the missing? Uh? A little bit more of 524 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: of a of a throwback point guard. I think, yes, 525 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: he can score, but I think he's more of a 526 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: run the team kind of guy. If you're gonna compare 527 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: him to an NBA type point guard, he's more Chris 528 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: Faul than Derrick Rose in terms of a style and attack. 529 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: He's he's gonna pick his spots offensively. He's low to 530 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: the ground and a lot more athletic and stronger than 531 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: you realize. He likes that mid range jumper. Uh. As 532 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: he rounds out and become more of a consistent threat 533 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: from three, he can be really dangerous, but also, you know, 534 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: Chris Paul, it is certainly one of the cotton. I'm 535 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: not saying that the Kenny's gonna be him, but you 536 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: don't see a lot of guys Chris Paul's size doing 537 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: damage at the highest level of the NBA. Right He's 538 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: he's he's he's he's he's the exception to the rule. 539 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: So that's what Kenny's have to prove going on. But 540 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: he's tough, he's a leader, he's a winner, he's strong minded. 541 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: And you know, in a class that I think it's 542 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: pretty imperfect to the point guard, like that's probably the 543 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: position group that as a whole I would have the 544 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: most questions about in the class of two thousand. You know, 545 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: it's no knock on Kennity, but in a typical year, 546 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: you wouldn't think of him as the best point guard 547 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: in the country. You know, you would certainly think him 548 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: as the top four or five point guard. But he's 549 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: not typically the kind of guy you looked to and go, oh, yeah, 550 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's the one. And here we get 551 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: back to the summer conversation. Then it's short of bean 552 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: fun to see. Okay, how how how does the Hunter 553 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: Saalist come along, who I'm a big believer on after 554 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: seeing him with the high school team in the winners 555 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: Omaha not too far from me in Kansas City. You 556 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: know Kenna J. D. Davidson, who is this extreme crazy 557 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: athlete and has a vision can he can't get, can't 558 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: blend and be a little bit more under control and 559 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: find things. And so how do we judge those guys 560 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: right now? And if your schools, how do you decide 561 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: which of those are prioritized. You've just gotta go with 562 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: the guy that you've been you've been rocking with all along. Yeah, 563 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: it's fascinating you mentioned Kansas City? Is you r and A? 564 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: Is he going to Florida State? Uh, I'll be off. 565 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: I haven't heard yet on your I've been so wrapped 566 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: up in trying to keep up with these high school guys. 567 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,959 Speaker 1: I forget about the transfers sometimes. But there's certainly been 568 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: some rumblies about that. It's a weird one though, because 569 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: you know his his old mentors, Victor Williams, who played 570 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State, right and then you know he's like 571 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: one of the only ones not to recommit to going 572 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: to Oklahoma State because I think he wants like a 573 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: bigger role, like, hey, did you guys just to play 574 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: a kid? Cunningham And No, n c A tournament is 575 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: actually a good thing because that means every scout is 576 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: rolling into every game that you have to play. I 577 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: do think that even have to sit because the year out, 578 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: that could be good for him. But I don't think 579 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: anybody thinks they're gonna sit this year because they all 580 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: think they're gonna get uh, you know, they're gonna get 581 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: to the COVID waiver. So it's a it's a weird 582 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: one to me. And well, I would say she'll have 583 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: a pretty good chance that a waiver since they're going 584 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: to be ineligible for the n A tournament and it 585 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: has them now you get automatic, you get automatic waiver. 586 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: And that's that's the remarkable thing about them keeping all 587 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: their players is they all could have left and transferred 588 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: and play right away, right And what's what's interesting, Doug, 589 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: And obviously you know Oklahoma State as well as anybody 590 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: else in the country. Here you're a little bit of 591 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: an interested party there. You know, maybe yours role wouldn't 592 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: have been like the star player, but he stills a 593 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: role that they don't have anyone else to fill right now, 594 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: right they've she had a place that's going to be 595 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: locked in because he's the true rim protector on the team. 596 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: They don't want to have anyone else like that. It's 597 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: it's I'm certainly surprised that. I'm sure. I'm sure Victory 598 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: was like, what are you doing? Man? But it's it 599 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: is what it is these guys, you know. I think 600 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: George got off to a great start of the freshman, 601 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: probably played better as a freshman than was expected, and 602 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: then had some struggles up and down last year, and 603 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: now here we go again. Are coming cool circles to 604 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: the discussion we're at earlier with with guys that will 605 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: pack up a movie. They don't want to fight through 606 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: some adversity a little bit. And that's that's not a 607 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: knock on you, or I'm not saying he's not willing 608 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: to fight adversity or anything like that, but I think 609 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: he's leaving what was really a good situation for him 610 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: for the next two years. Whether or not they could 611 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 1: play in the NA Tournament in two thousand twenty one 612 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: or not, it was a really good set up for him. 613 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: And so he's now going to be really tricky in 614 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: picking where he goes because something might look good from 615 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: the outside, but he's not gonna know for sure until 616 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: he gets there. And especially in the environment that we've 617 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: got going on with COVID, with so much in the air, 618 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: it's a tricky time to transfer unless you're really really 619 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: unhappy or you're really really getting done bad by a coach. 620 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe I'm blind to this, but 621 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't see Mike Boyton is the kind of guy 622 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: who's doing due the dirty uh about. He's about the 623 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: sharpest guy I've come across in a long time, and 624 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: I think has a great future in college basketball. It's 625 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: the kind of guy as a player. But I think 626 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: I'd be pretty likely to want to be around. Well 627 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: my my my point, what if I was and I 628 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: haven't talked to your and was and this was could 629 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: he have a bigger role at a different school? Yeah, 630 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure he could. Now. One, I don't think he 631 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: he earned a bigger role, right Like it wasn't like 632 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: he was. And two. But but here's the most important thing. Like, Hey, 633 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: if you're what is your goal, right Like, if your 634 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: goal is to go to n c A tournament, win 635 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: a National Championship, Like, okay, that that I can understand. 636 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: When you're Oakham State, you're not gonna have kaide in 637 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: two years when you'd be a senior. But I don't 638 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: believe that's his school. I believe his goal is to 639 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: play in the NBA. If you're gonna play in the NBA, 640 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna play as a roller and a rim protector. 641 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: That's it. That's what you're gonna do. Can you switch 642 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: on ball screens? Can you defend the rim? And yeah, 643 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: every year you kind of work further and further out 644 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: of making shots, but that's not really all that important 645 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: as much as what you do the defensive end. Can 646 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: you roll, catch and finish? And I you know, guys 647 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: get caught up in the how many points, how many rebounds? 648 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: What did I average? Where that's actually a role you 649 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: If that's your role, you won't have to change that 650 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: role at all. And the hardest thing that guys have 651 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: to do is they get to the NBA, like, hey, 652 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: all that stuff you did in college you can't do here. 653 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: We need you for a specific task. And they have 654 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: to perry down what they were trying to do in college. 655 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: Right right, you're exactly right, that's that's it's you. You. 656 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: You were more substinct to it. I tend to ramble sometimes, 657 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 1: but we're on the exact same page here. Maybe you're 658 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: confined some place where his role is expanded. But the 659 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: role that he was going to play at Oklahoma State 660 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: is the role that he's perfectful, and it's the role 661 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: that is likely going to be a future on the 662 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: professional level. So he's walking away from as much experience 663 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: for his futures he probably could have been getting any 664 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: school in America. Last, is there any confidence that you're 665 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: gonna have any event to evaluate in person this summer 666 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: at all? Not any like event that I'm used to 667 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: going to a year's past. There's there's gonna be no 668 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: peace Sham or no All American camp or Las Vegas 669 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: a big time or anything like that. Are there going 670 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: to be some things? I mean, heck, I'm not even 671 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: allowed to travel. Were owned by Verizon, and Horizon has 672 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: a travel ban for all employees. So even if there 673 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: were an event, until my my employer gives me the 674 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: okay to go ahead and go, I'm not going anywhere now. 675 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: If there's something that I can drive to and be 676 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 1: home that same day, like, for instance, in Kansas City. 677 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: In the next couple of weeks, there's a few smaller 678 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: events going on where like vocan Elite when the travel 679 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: seams in the country is gonna bring in forty kids 680 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: for four or five days and do like a camp 681 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: uh Casey Wren g MC is gonna have a couple 682 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: of other nearby teams in and do kind of a 683 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: campus the skirmish game. So that's that's the extent of 684 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: what my in person you experiences are going to be 685 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: for the summer. They're great stuff, man. I love catching 686 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: up and talking hopes with you because you like me 687 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: love it, you'd like me miss it. And I do 688 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: think there's something cool though to having like to those 689 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: of us who have grown up watching or coaching or 690 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: playing in summer games and relatively empty gyms, like I don't. 691 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that's as big adjustment for most of 692 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: these guys as people will lead you to believe. Obviously, 693 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: for a championship NBA championship, it will be weird. I 694 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: think the hard part is going to be living in 695 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: the hotel room for two or three months, Like at 696 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: some point you're gonna want to kill your teammates, right, 697 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: Like I just need my own personal space. You're gonna 698 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: miss your wife or kids or borrow or whatever that 699 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: Now they can come, they can get there. They actually 700 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: can get there, but they have to quarantine for four days. Right, 701 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: It's not like it's not a typical going home and 702 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: you know you can you can go chill out in 703 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: your basement and play the next ball or you know, 704 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: watched the kid ride their hoverboard and the driveway and 705 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: things like that. It's different and you know, a real 706 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: quick back to your original point with the playing time. Yeah, 707 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: what does seating matter now? With this, It's all that 708 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: matters is getting in, And I guess seating matters a 709 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: little bit in terms of matchups, but home court advantage, 710 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 1: those crowds, listen, things are all out the window. And 711 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: it's it's fitting that it's a Disney at wide world 712 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: of sports because so many of these guys spent so 713 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: many of their formative years playing in those buildings. So 714 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of cool to see them going 715 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: back to it. Eric great stuff. Remember you can follow 716 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: him on on Twitter. We gave that out Facebook, I 717 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: g wherever and still evaluating all the best hoopsters across 718 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: the country. EB thanks so much, dude. Hey, thanks for 719 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: having me on Doug. I really appreciate it. Man, that 720 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: was that was awesome with Eric. Like it if it doesn't, 721 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: if it doesn't make you feel like you're ready for basketball, 722 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: like just two basketball guys. And and I'll say this, 723 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: look my my issues with the bubble. I I mean, look, 724 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: i haven't lived an NBA lifestyle, but I've gotten to 725 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: a point where sometimes I do have to check myself 726 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: my expectation for a hotel. The danger is when if 727 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: you're gonna use social media to be your platform for 728 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: your voice for social change, you've got to be careful about, 729 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, clowning a relatively nice upper upper echelon hotel 730 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: room and all you can eat food service. Like I 731 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: get it, you're used to want. It would be like 732 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: if we're watching somebody hands you a brand new TV 733 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: and says, hey, here's your TV for month. It's standard deaf. Sorry, dude, 734 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: you don't get the good channels. Like we have this 735 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: level of expectation because of our time in the United States. 736 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: We're gonna have high death, We're gonna have the best channels. 737 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: And suddenly you can't get it. I understand, you just 738 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: gotta be careful about it and how it does dilute 739 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: the rest of your voice when you handle it that way. Um. 740 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: I now that the rosters are completed in full, I 741 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: do believe that if the Clippers have Lou Williams, assuming 742 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: cool I gets there and everybody's healthy, I think the 743 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: Clippers benefit the most because I just losing Avery Bradley 744 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: really hurts the Lakers. They were playing great basketball, but 745 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: they probably didn't have the best roster. Now their roster 746 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: isn't as good. Yeah, j R. Smith who can make 747 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: shots and can defend and does have obviously you know, 748 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: postseason experience, but I I you've you've taken away that 749 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,919 Speaker 1: momentum which will be hard to regenerate. And I also 750 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 1: think that playing in front of nobody will be better 751 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 1: for the younger guys who are more of the more 752 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: recent AU generation where you just play games to play games, 753 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: and you have to find ways to to to navigate 754 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: this and manage against, uh, manage against you know, guys 755 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: being around each other too much and eventually being at 756 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: each other's stroke. Hey, hope you enjoyed the pod. A 757 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: lot more to come. Remember to download subscribe and right 758 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: Listen to The Doug Gotlip Show daily three to six 759 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,240 Speaker 1: Eastern twelve through Pacific I Heart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, etcetera, etcetera. 760 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: Fall me on I G and on Twitter at Gottlieb Show. 761 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: In the meantime, we're getting closer. It's gonna happen. We're 762 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: gonna have actual, real basketball on TV. I'm Doug Gottliebin. 763 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: This is all ball.