1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's hear it for the Man, the myth, 4 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: the legend, the spite free hopefully super producer, mister Max Williams. 5 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 2: I got a spite at both of y'all. You guys 6 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: were singing before we started this, and you didn't invite 7 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: me into it. I didn't know what you were singing 8 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 2: because it was probably before my time, but yaw, you 9 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: give me spiteful. 10 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: First of all, you don't need to be invited to sing, Max, 11 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: That's not how singing works. You're just in yes, please, Yes. 12 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: I'm building. I'm want to find we're I want to 13 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: find the point that's equidistance between your two places of residence. 14 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: I'm want to build a giant, ugly wall just spite 15 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: you two. 16 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: Well, I don't leave the house, so it won't affect me. 17 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: Would you say that we left you with some feathers 18 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: in your hand? Does it make it any easier to 19 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: leave you where you stand? 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: Oh? Boy, Ben, Now I got to complete the holes, 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: and I'm not gonna do it. I'm not going to 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: be I will not be an enemy at anything. I 23 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: only stand here waiting for us to start the show. 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: Big Counting Crows, by the way, they get a bad rap, 25 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: first of all because Adam Durtz and his white boy dreads, 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 3: but also, like you know, the shrekification of so many 27 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 3: artists I think was unfortunate, and I think the Counting 28 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: Crows fell victim to that. 29 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: Such a good writer there, I agree, it's such a 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: good writer. And as especially we're talking their first two 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: albums and just you know, they're very much off the 32 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: tie and there's some beauty to it. 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: The song we're talking about, the Angels of the Silences 34 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: off of their second album, I Believe, which is called 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: something about Satellites. But I played it for my kid 36 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: and they loved it. It was just like, you know, 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: this is emo. It sounds like I'm like, you know, 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: some of the like like my Chemical Romance or something 39 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: like that, and I did. It occurred to me that 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: they did have a sort of a proto emo kind 41 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: of vibe on that record. Doesn't sound like their other stuff. 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 3: But check them out, don't don't write them off. 43 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Don't don't. Yeah, there's a reason that people. 44 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 3: Enjoy it. 45 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: So it's recovering the satellites, that's what we're trying to think. 46 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: That's recovering the satellites from like nineteen ninety six. 47 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: That's right. 48 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: God, that was a long record, a good record, good record. 49 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: And with this we want to continue our record of 50 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: examining spiteful architecture. Your nol I'm Ben Max, hopefully you're 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: still Max. 52 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: Okay. 53 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 1: I saw that Max did a deuce deuce on that one. 54 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: Nice In our previous episode earlier this week, we talked 55 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: we explore two very spiteful structures, one called the Skinny 56 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: House and one that's a very strange story about Macy's 57 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: the ropes and sunglasses sunglass hot. 58 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: At the very end, Yeah for sure. Yeah yeah. 59 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: Where are we going today? 60 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: Though, God, where aren't we going today? Actually gets a 61 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: pretty limited place. We're going to a couple of places today. 62 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: We are traveling to the San Francisco Bay Area. You know, 63 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: to keep in to stay with the music theme, it's 64 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: you know, when the sun shines on the bay and 65 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: when the lights go out in the city, and that's 66 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: the titular bay of journey fame, the Bay area, the 67 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: San Francisco Bay, beautiful beautiful place, if not a little 68 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: bit over gentrified at this point and swarming with startup 69 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: bro types, but still lovely stuff. And if you go 70 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: to certain parts of the city, it's yeah, exactly, if 71 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: you go to a certain part of the city, there 72 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: are things that haven't been, you know, overtaken by this culture. 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: You can find places that have been grandfathered in or 74 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: like family businesses that I think exist is there for 75 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: so long, but it's become one of these places that's 76 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: just so prohibitively expensive to live or set up a 77 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: business that it's almost starting to feel like it's losing 78 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: its culture, if I may be so bold. 79 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is a cyclical thing we see with 80 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: a lot of cities and a lot of communities when 81 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: they become financially successful. You see it often with more 82 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: artistic and bohemian areas, little five Points in Atlanta, Georgia, 83 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: Montemarte in Paris. 84 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, yeah, I mean these are these little enclaves 85 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 3: that do usually have some governing body that tries at 86 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: the very least to keep you know, corporate interests out. 87 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: You know, because these places exist and their stock and 88 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: trade is their uniqueness and the fact that they have 89 00:04:54,839 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: this certain kind of you know, authentic vibe and authentic quality. 90 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,559 Speaker 1: Right this story, this one is different though. This house 91 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: really leans into the fact that it is a spiked house. 92 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: It's fifty four feet long, it's twenty feet tall, and 93 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: if you look at the front door, there's stained glass 94 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: above the door, and in the stained glass it literally 95 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: says spite house there on the quarterer of what is 96 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: it Christ in Broadway? Is that how you would say 97 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: it Christ? 98 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: I think that's right. I don't imagine that it's pronounced Christ, 99 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: but haven't actually heard anybody speak it. But boy do 100 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: I love that. First of all, I love a good 101 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 3: stained glass I may have mentioned that my partner is 102 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: a stained glass artist, so I'm a huge fan of 103 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: the craft. The lot goes into it. I've learned more 104 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 3: about it than I ever cared to know since we've 105 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: been together. But I just adore the fact that they 106 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: just went right to the most direct thing possible in 107 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: saying spite house and a beautiful piece of stained glass art. 108 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you look at this, if you look 109 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: into this story, you'll see that it really begins in 110 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: nineteen oh eight with a man named Charles Frohling, we 111 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: know that to be true, but very quickly the origins 112 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: of the Spite House faded into myth and legend, and 113 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: so you'll hear at times contradictory stories about how this 114 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: thing came to be. We'll get the main one out 115 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: of the way. The most popular one says that our 116 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: pal Charlie built the house as a means of revenge 117 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: against the city of Alameda. They used imminent domain to 118 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: create this street, Christ Street, and when they did this, 119 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: they removed a lot of his property. So imminent domain, 120 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: for anybody unfamiliar, is this concept that a municipality or 121 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: a government can say, for the great good, we are 122 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: taking your private property. We're gonna pay you what we 123 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: feel is fair, but you cannot refuse to sell it 124 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: to us. And we hear about this mostly in the 125 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: US when it comes to things like widening roads, like 126 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: making a two lane road a four lane road and 127 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: so on. 128 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: That's right, And the neighbor in this case wasn't really 129 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: feeling this situation at all. He in fact, was quite 130 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: unsympathetic actually to this situation, as was written in the 131 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: San Francisco Gate article on the subject by Jordan Gwynn. 132 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: Unsympathetic to the point of spite. Actually, you know, so 133 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: in another situation of trying to block the light out 134 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 3: of somebody's domicile, he said about building a home adjacent 135 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: to the property that would block the sunlight from entering 136 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: the northeast side of this Victorian home. 137 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. So basically the city made his original home building 138 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: plans impossible, and his neighbor was kind of rude to 139 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: him about it. So he said, Okay, new plan. I'm 140 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: gonna screw over your house. But people who look into 141 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 1: this actually don't believe this most common story. 142 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: We see a lot of this in these spiite tales, 143 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: right where there's like conflicting narratives or just nameless brothers, 144 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: you know. 145 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we found one historian mentioned in the San 146 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: Francisco newspaper you said it just a second ago, who says, first, 147 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: Chris Street already existed and the city of Alameda actually 148 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: didn't seize any of Charlie's land. Instead, this spite house 149 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: may go back to a good old case of old 150 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: fashioned sibling rivalry. 151 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: That's right. 152 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: We're doing a callback to our earlier episode Brother against 153 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: Brother love it. 154 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I hate to see it, but also usually 155 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: makes for some interesting drama. So in this version of 156 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: the tale, once again a couple of brothers, you know, 157 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: brothers related to one another. 158 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: It keeps reminding me of that inter dimensional cable episode 159 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: from Rick and Morton, for sure. 160 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: Two brothers and a van, and then a meteor comes 161 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: and they run from giant cat monsters and two brothers 162 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: meteor stuff and another and then there's giant cat ladies 163 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: and there's an armauna of tomato wielding things. And then 164 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: you wouldn't know this, but the brothers they're just normal brothers. 165 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I. 166 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: Think, like, I think, I'm sure about seventy percent accurate. 167 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: All this to say that, you know, a pair of 168 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: brothers feuding or just going on an adventure is a 169 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 3: good starting place for any story, right, yeah, okay, that 170 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: would take away, So that's away, I think. So in 171 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: this version of detail, a pair of nameless brothers once 172 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: again inherited this lot and uh a very similar callback 173 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: to the previous story. One of them sold most of 174 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: the land while his sibling was out of town, not 175 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: necessarily at war, just just out on a little excursion, 176 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: you know, codition, Yeah, who knows, And of course this 177 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 3: led to the other brother feeling wronged in some you know, 178 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: really that's pretty pretty messed up. It's not nice to 179 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: sell your co property out from under, you know, one 180 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 3: of the other co owners. 181 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. And one thing that's funny to me about this 182 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: is when I hear these bro v bro stories, it 183 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: always makes me very very thankful that all of my 184 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: friends who do have siblings actually seem to get on 185 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: with each other pretty well. You know, like Max and 186 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: Alex Williams. No savior, savior come to see commissa hands there, Savior, 187 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: middling handwave there, Max, you and like to actually get 188 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: along quite well, at least when company's over. 189 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: Well, look, Max Brazil. You know, mile age may vary 190 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: in terms of your interpretation, but I will side with 191 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: Ben and saying that observationally speaking, y'all are some of 192 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: the most amicable siblings that I've ever encountered, So take 193 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: that for what it's worth. 194 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: We're basically the exact same age. I mean, we're eighteen 195 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: months apart, and we get along very well. I mean 196 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: we've now worked at two jobs together. We have lived 197 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: together in college, and then we lived six houses. 198 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 3: Apart from each other for three years. 199 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: And you taught me to play dice. 200 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: Yes, same, Yeah, it's always calls me the rule masters. 201 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: I think it's because I'm like mega neurotic and very 202 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: organized in every aspect of my life. 203 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: I learned how to play dice from the two of 204 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 3: you as well. And yeah, I really can I can 205 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: attest that you are the rule master at least in 206 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: what was it One for twenty four? I think it 207 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 3: was the game that we like to play. Oh yeah, 208 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 3: One for twenty four is the best. That's a good one. 209 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, I think that's when we were playing Ben. 210 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: Probably, So it's a go to. It's classic. It's good 211 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: fun to you know, when you make it interesting. You know, 212 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: wager few shekels in there, and it's a lot of fun. 213 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: So unless I'm mistaken, though, Max, neither one of you 214 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: have either sold a parcel of land out from under 215 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: the other. No, not yet. 216 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: And to be completely honest, if one of us was 217 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: gonna be the villain brother, it would probably be me. 218 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: It just seems so. It seems like the kind of 219 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: move you wouldn't even do to a non related colleague, 220 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, if you are, if you are in the 221 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: same boat together. You know what it gets me about 222 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: these stories and beat me here, Max. What gets me 223 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: about these stories is the real gewitness about it. It's 224 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: not just selling the land or building on the land. 225 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: It's that you're selling most of it and leaving. 226 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 3: The dregs the dregs. 227 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: But that's like giving someone a partially used Starbucks gift 228 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: card for their birthday and saying, I know it says 229 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: twenty dollars on there, but I think there's about four 230 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: dollars left. I thought of you, bro, Yeah, that's exactly right. 231 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: It means purposely hurtful. 232 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 3: It's a little different, but it is. It does remind 233 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: me of the Macy story with the weird little corner 234 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: that was barely useful but still useful in this kind 235 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: of like weird spiteful flex situation. But this is not that. 236 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: This is the reverse of that, because this is someone 237 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: who is purposefully leaving that amount to the other, whether 238 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: purposefully or just absent mindedly perhaps and just thoughtlessly. Right, yeah, 239 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: and why not sell the whole thing? Was he really thinking? Question? 240 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: This would be cool? He'll be fine with this, Like 241 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: what is this his consolation prize? 242 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: Like? Ugh, so this house? It actually does it reminds 243 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: me of house is I said this previously in part one. 244 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: It reminds me of some houses you might see in 245 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: other countries. Right, it's built into a awkward small amount 246 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: of space. I think it's twelve feet wide at its 247 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: most broad points broadest point. And we still don't know 248 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: a ton of facts about it because of the time 249 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: of which it was constructed. But thank goodness, historians have 250 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: done some pretty serious digging here and they learned some 251 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: strange things. One unfortunate fact they learned is that Charles 252 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: Frowling's neighbor, one Annette Westerdall, actually died a few weeks 253 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: before the spite House was completely built, and it appears, 254 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: unfortunately that she may have taken her own life. One 255 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: neighbor said that before she passed away, she was worried 256 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: the erection of this two story dwelling would shut out 257 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: the sunlight from a part of her house, and that 258 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: was quoted in the San Francisco Chronicle back in eight nineteen. 259 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, back back in eighty nineteen o eight, that is 260 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: for sure. And this unfortunate death did lead to some 261 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: you know, some whispers on the street, whispers in the 262 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: front yard. I heard about knights out in the school yard. 263 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: Sorry back in the nineties, better than Ezra? Right, the 264 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: idea of these other properties were haunted, that both of 265 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: these homes were haunted. And actually there was some evidence 266 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: that exorcisms took place in the seventies nineteen seventies. 267 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know if we did that last one, 268 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah, And at this point the people who. 269 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: Have real Jim Blossom, sorry, not better than. 270 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: Well, they were very much of the era. Better than Ezra. 271 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: What they have King of New Orleans that was also 272 00:15:51,320 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: desperately wanting, desperately want behind Who is Ezra? Why is 273 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: it so. 274 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: He's apparently less than He's deficient in some way? 275 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: Right we and yes, dear ridiculous historians, we know we 276 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: could solve this very quickly if we just typed it 277 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: into a search engine. But we're having fun. 278 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: I have a sense that it's a biblical reference. What 279 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: do you think? 280 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: I feel like I read about it one time, the 281 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: last time I was in a nineties rabbit hole, but 282 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: whatever the answer was didn't really stick with me. I'm 283 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: sure it's out there though, and there's there's still around, right, 284 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: Actually they are. 285 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: I just found an article and said better than Ezra 286 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: front man won't divulge the secret behind the band's name. 287 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: Oh oh, mystery remains. 288 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: He's like Tom Yorke with that lip syncing in that 289 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: one music video. Remember I don't know if I do, 290 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: but there's a radio Head video where one of the 291 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: actors in the in the film is saying, it's like 292 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: a short film in course his mouth yeah, and he 293 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: talked box uh and the mainstream doesn't know what he's saying. 294 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: Any really quickly, and then we sort of move on. 295 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 3: There is also a really great clip of Tom York 296 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 3: being asked, like in the nineties, what creep is about 297 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 3: and he goes, creep is about up Now it's gone on. 298 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: Fantas I love when he trolls people in interviews. 299 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: And Greenwood is standing there catatonic. Give him. The man 300 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: never says a word. It was also an ageless vampire, 301 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: by the way. 302 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: And there's also the thing is Tom Yorke has a 303 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: bit of a Tom Waits esque or a Bob Dylan 304 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: esque approach to interviews. Oh gosh, I love it anyway, 305 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: So these guys probably would be in despite architecture as 306 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: just a thing. In addition to music, you're always. 307 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: Quote Waits is what's he building in there? That makes 308 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: me think of it's a Spike house. That's what he's building. 309 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: That's what he's building. We found the answer, well done, man, 310 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: I like that one. 311 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: So the people who live in the alimated spite House 312 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: have never themselves encountered paranormal activity, but we do know 313 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: that at one point a single person owned both the 314 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: spite House and a Victorian house next door, and this 315 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: guy threw parties at the spite House and turned the 316 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: lower level into a bar. We know the house was 317 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: abandoned at one point. It got it became derelict, and 318 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: it was almost torn down completely. But the public got 319 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: together and they said save the spite House, Saved the 320 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: Spite House, or something akin to that. 321 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 3: Earlier in the episode, I think it was in part 322 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 3: or maybe it was the last one. You said something 323 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 3: about how the house was made of spite, and I 324 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: just love the idea of spite as like a building material. 325 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: I want to know what it's graded for. Can it 326 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: be load bearing? You know, like it's just I don't know. 327 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: My mind ran wild when you said that. 328 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: The house that Spiite built. Yeah, that does sound sohat poetic. 329 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: We could we could do a ridiculous history studios on 330 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: that one. 331 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 3: I got a problem with this. 332 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: Nice nice And so you can read again in that 333 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: excellent article that you cited, folks, you can read about 334 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: the day to day life of the family that lives there. 335 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 3: Now. 336 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: They are living there by choice, not because they were 337 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: driven to it by privation or danger. But that is 338 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: one example of something that ended well overall, Now you're 339 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: living in a little bit of history. There's no bad blood, 340 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: it's not haunted. It's also not the last example of 341 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: a spiked house. This one's confusing to me. The mont 342 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: Lake Pie House. 343 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, first of all, I mean it sounds. 344 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: Like fun, like a restaurant. Yeah, I want to go 345 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: to the pie House. 346 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: Well, have you ever seen that show Pushing Daisies. It 347 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 3: didn't run that long, but it was. 348 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: Really criminally unbreable Susian. 349 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 3: I believe that the creator went on to do Hannibal, 350 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: which is also amazing and not like that show at all. 351 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 3: Pushing Daisy was very colorful, and I mean, so it 352 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: was Hannibal, but it had some death qualities where people 353 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 3: could be like like brought back to life. But it 354 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: revolved around a pie shop called the Pie Hole. That 355 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 3: I believe was shaped like a pie. If I'm not mistaken. 356 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 3: In the show, it had like you know, and when 357 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: I think about things like that, I think about Pizza 358 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 3: Hut and how like early in the branding of Pizza 359 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 3: they decided they were going to have a unique design 360 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: to all of their buildings. And then when you know, 361 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 3: time rendered that sort of dated, uh, and the company 362 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 3: pivoted and rebranded. You have all these weird pizza hut 363 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 3: former pizza huts just just scatter everywhere the hither and 364 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 3: yon you know, if you don't know what I'm talking about, 365 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: it's obviously that weird hat shaped red roof situation. So 366 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: that's what I think of when I think of a 367 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 3: pie house. But maybe I'm wrong here. 368 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: No, you're you're making I mean, if you look at it, 369 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: it simply looks like a door as someone built a 370 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: door frame and they just kept going into the back. 371 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: It is only fifty five inches across at its narrowest point, 372 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: and it is a pie shaped house that was apparently 373 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: built entirely to cut off a larger home from the street. 374 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the geography in a way. It 375 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: reminds me of the geography of Croatia and Serbia. You 376 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, Like, how have you guys 377 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: seen that? Hang on, wait, I want to show you. 378 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: This is I see it shaped like a slice of pie, 379 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: like a slice of pie, not like a fully piece. 380 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 3: Got see. I was confused there for a second, but 381 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 3: I'm looking at it. Yeah, it's almost like it disappears 382 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: off into the horizon, like the walls get narrower as 383 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: you continue to walk. It could be used as like 384 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 3: some sort of weird you know, the labyrinth kind of 385 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 3: tactic where if you're like going, you eventually get crushed 386 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: to death by the walls or something like that. But 387 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 3: this is a little more lighthearted than that. 388 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I want to amend what I was 389 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: saying earlier there. That was my folks, guys, I said Serbia, 390 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: I meant Bosnia and Herzegovina. Let me let me share. 391 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: Let me share this with you. I promise it'll be 392 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: worth it. This is an example of what I think 393 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: we could call spikee geography. Can you see that. 394 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 3: A little bit at the bottom of cand you describe it? 395 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 3: It's the dregs. I mean, once again, it's just like 396 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: it's it's such a tiny crumb of land as to 397 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: be absolutely useless. 398 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 2: Right, it's just to block them from having access to 399 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: the water. We talked about this in a different country, 400 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: different part of the world, but it's the exact same thing. 401 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: And the war over Bird Poop episode one of the 402 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 2: South American countries having this little stretch of land that 403 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 2: blocks an entire other one from having any access to 404 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: the water. 405 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 1: So spide is not just for houses. But I had 406 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: to bring up that slight discoursion because that reminds me 407 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: of what's happening with Pie House, and you described it perfectly. 408 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: Here's another local legend. Again, the sources on all this 409 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: stuff aren't super great. So this neighbor goes to the 410 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: owner of the land to purchase a plot of land 411 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty five, but offers a price so low 412 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: that the owner is insulted, and they're so insulted that 413 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: they build this house that's basically a slice of pie 414 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: just to get back at the person. That's one story, 415 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: but there's another story as well, right. 416 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 3: That's right. The other account claims the house was built 417 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: when the wife of the owner was given this tiny 418 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 3: lot in a divorce settlement. Again like this sort of 419 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 3: poultry kind of barely useful piece of land. And once 420 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 3: again it's like a kind of fighting over a piece 421 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 3: of land where someone gets the dregs. Well, her ex 422 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: supposedly got the rest of the property, and someone who 423 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 3: actually owned the property recently said that the profile of 424 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 3: the house wasn't really that big a deal except when 425 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: it came to cooking because of the just the logistics 426 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 3: of the space where all the kitchen hookups were. 427 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she said she had to when she opened 428 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: the oven door, she had to stand to one side 429 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: so she didn't get pinned against the wall. 430 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and seems unless you think, you know, this type 431 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 3: of shape would maybe render a house like this less valuable. 432 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: Not the case. It actually quite recently sold for four 433 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars. 434 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: Holy smokes, what is this Atlanta? 435 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, very much. 436 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: She walked down the street for that one. 437 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: Oh we're there, we're there. But the eight hundred and 438 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 3: sixty square foot home, you could liken it and curb 439 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 3: Seattle does just that. You could liken it to the 440 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: layout of like a houseboat, okay, because the houseboat has 441 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 3: to taper a little bit, right, sure, I mean I 442 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 3: guess it doesn't. I've seen you see square ones or 443 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 3: rectangular ones, right, but sometimes you know there is a 444 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 3: point that they will kind of taper. 445 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: A little bit, and they're usually rectangular. They're they're long 446 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: and narrow by design, so that makes sense. You get 447 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: all the inconvenience of a houseboat with none of the 448 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: appeal of living on the water. 449 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: That's right, that's true. I would love to, at the 450 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: very least airbnb a houseboat sometime. I think that air cool. 451 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: They are so cool. 452 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: We should absolutely, you know what, that's how we know 453 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: when we made it. We should absolutely get houseboats. 454 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, or Airbnb one. 455 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: But I'd be okay, okay, you're right, I'm yet again, 456 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going all gas. 457 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: No, who needs the breaks? Man, They're they're overrated, except 458 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 3: if when I stop but that we're not done, and 459 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, we've got a good one. To close 460 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 3: this episode out with the pretty innocuous and somewhat boringly 461 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: named no Pie House. The Kavanaugh Building. This just sounds 462 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 3: like a place where business is conducted. 463 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: Yes, Once upon a time in the nineteen thirties, Koreina 464 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh was a rich, beautiful, and determined woman, her family 465 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: was extremely wealthy, but old money they were not. I 466 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: don't know why I I hostually went like Disney fable. 467 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: Well, there's been some fable aspects to a lot of these, 468 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 3: and then I think that was a great way to 469 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 3: start this is Yeah, they weren't old money. So this 470 00:26:55,040 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: is in I believe, Argentina. So there's you know, a 471 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 3: very installed enshrenched aristocracy there, and folks who come into 472 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: money later in life for some reason, are looked down upon. 473 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 3: They're considered like the nouveau riche, you know, and that 474 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 3: is a term of abuse, and they are not afforded 475 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 3: the same kind of you know, privileges and respect that 476 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: maybe landed gentry, you know, might be in terms of 477 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 3: like legacy family money for whatever reason, that matters. And 478 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: old money tends to be suspicious and a little bit 479 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: guarded when it comes to folks that come into money 480 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 3: later in life. 481 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, because money does not necessarily buy social status. 482 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: And he nailed it with the description of the so 483 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: called novou riche. So Koreina Capital, despite being very wealthy, 484 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: is ostracized by other people at her income level, and 485 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: she has a romantic liaison, a troubling affair with a 486 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: young man who is born into a very very established 487 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: old money family. He is the son of Mercedes Castianos 488 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: de Ankorina and this old money family, you know, to them, 489 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: it's like a Romeo and Juliet thing. They hate this relationship. 490 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: You're dating new money. Have you lost all respect for 491 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: your heritage? And they use their influence to end the relationship. 492 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: So Karina Kavanaugh is humiliated, She's hurt. She dedicates herself 493 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: to vengeance and being a lady of a noble bearing, 494 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: she decides that she is not going to you know, 495 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: show up at the estate with a knife, you know, 496 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: run them over with horses or something. In nineteen thirties, 497 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: maybe it would have been a car instead. She turns 498 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: to architecture. 499 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, the old trustee, right, the Basilica of the Holy 500 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 3: Sacrament is a gorgeous historical church that is now available, 501 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 3: you know, for the public to tour to check out. 502 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 3: But in its original days it was a private mausoleum 503 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 3: of a very wealthy family, the Anchorinas, who lived in 504 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: the San Martin Plaza, in a mansion that is now 505 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 3: the site of the Argentine Foreign Ministry. 506 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the deal is that is not close enough 507 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: for the old Bunny and Garina family, especially the matriarch 508 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: of the family, and she says, you know what, we 509 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: need to be closer to the basilica. So I Am 510 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: going to buy a vacant lot directly in front of 511 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: the basilica, will build our new family mansion there will 512 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: be It'll be so convenient for us to attend services 513 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: and whatnot. And so Corina Kavanaugh picture her listening in 514 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: the shadows, and she says, I'm going to foil their plans. 515 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: I will take my revenge. So, just like a brother 516 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: in the Civil War or something, she waits for the 517 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: matriarch Mercedes to go on vacation, and then she goes 518 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: to the person who owns the land. She doubles the 519 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: offer of the real estate and snatches up that land. 520 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: Boom boom boom. And then while the Ankara family is 521 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: still on vacation, Karna contacts these very famous architects, Sanchez 522 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: Lagos and de la Torre and says, I need you 523 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: to build a huge building. And they say how huge 524 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: and she says enormous and they say why and she says, 525 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: in hirely to obstruct the view of the church from 526 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: as many angles as possible. 527 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 3: First of all, I would have said, it's none of 528 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 3: your business, take by the money. Second of all, a 529 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: lot of mischief going down while people are out of 530 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 3: town in these stories, you know a lot of people 531 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: swooping in and buying land out from under people and 532 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 3: using it for nefarious purposes. And so the construction commences, 533 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: and she really would be, you know, as John Hammond 534 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 3: would say, spaed no expense, also as the Argentina Traveler 535 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: would say, she did this at a great expense to 536 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 3: herself and her own wealth. To see, this is where 537 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: the spite becomes interesting, when it starts to like you're 538 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 3: so pissed off. You're doing this thing just to inconvenient 539 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 3: somebody else, and you're doing it like at cost to 540 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 3: your like you're getting rid of your own assets. She 541 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 3: had to sell three of her own properties and Vanada 542 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 3: Tweto in order to finance the project. I believe the 543 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 3: expression is cutting off your nose to spite your neighbor 544 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: or your face. 545 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, Yeah, no close enough. 546 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: Stas is that just like Stancias? Is that like a 547 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 3: type of villa a. 548 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,719 Speaker 1: Couple things, Yeah, it can be like a ranch. I 549 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: think they're using it to mean ranch in this in 550 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,239 Speaker 1: this situation, but the direct translation is uh, instances, so 551 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: it's definitely not instance. 552 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 3: No, yeah, I think, yeah, I see the cattle ranch 553 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 3: in Latin America, so it is a specific type of industry. 554 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, Like, seriously, she's selling off something that will 555 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: make her money long term in order to finance this project, 556 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: just to get back at somebody. That's why I think 557 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 3: this is honestly the most kind of self destructive case 558 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: of Spikee architecture that we've run into in this in 559 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 3: this series. What do you think? 560 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I intended to agree with you there. You know, 561 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: she goes hard on the paint. It takes fourteen months 562 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: to build the Kavanaugh Building. That's a record breaking construction period, 563 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: super fast, and it broke. The building itself broke multiple records. 564 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: It was the tallest reinforced concrete structure in the world, 565 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: and for many many years after it was also the 566 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: tallest building in all of Latin America. It also became 567 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: the first building in the country of Argentina to have 568 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: a central ac system, and it looked like it was 569 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: of the time in the zeitgeist. It was echoing the 570 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: rationalist style that was very popular during its construction. 571 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 3: But. 572 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: Mainly mainly it was doing that style so that the 573 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: architects could get around building codes that otherwise would have 574 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: limited its size. This is unhitged the story of this building, 575 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: and if you look at it now, it's huge. It's 576 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: a big, big piece of room. It's a big monument 577 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: to revenge. 578 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 3: It absolutely is, and I guess this wraps up the story. 579 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 3: But speaking of revenge, and I'm pretty sure that you're 580 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 3: a fan of this guy's work, I've been revisiting the 581 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 3: films or visiting for the first time a handful the 582 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: films of Park Chan Wook, the incretical Old Boy, Yeah, 583 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 3: the incredible Korean director who has a revenge trilogy, of 584 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: which Old Boy is the second one. I think the 585 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 3: first one is Sympathy for Mister Vengeance, then Old Boy, 586 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: which probably his most famous film, and then Sympathy for 587 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 3: Lady Vengeance. But I recently watched his film called The Handmaiden, 588 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 3: which is incredible, and also Thirst, which is like a 589 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 3: vampire story that he did where vampirism is treated more 590 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 3: like a disease that you can kind of catch from 591 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: like a blood transfusion. 592 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 1: I really liked that. 593 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 3: We really liked it a lot too, and I had 594 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 3: never seen it, And he's got a couple others that 595 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 3: I've slept on. One that's like a kind of a 596 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 3: romantic comedy called like I'm a Cyborg and that's okay, 597 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: or I'm an Android and that's okay. But yeah, I mean, 598 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 3: the Revenge trilogy definitely not architecture based. Pure gnarly asked 599 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 3: the most elaborate type of revenge you can imagine based. 600 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 3: But if you're into that kind of stuff or want 601 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 3: to just to dip your toe in kind of Korean cinema, 602 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 3: highly recommend his work. 603 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: Old Boys been showing up in a lot of memes 604 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: recently as not the best choice for a first state, 605 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 1: which it isn't, but it does have a beautiful architecture plot. 606 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: It is not for children. It is intensely disturbing, and 607 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 1: you must, I try not to be an absolutist, fellow 608 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: ridiculous historians, but you must watch the original Korean version. 609 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 3: Oh god, yes, I mean Big Love to Spike Lee. 610 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 3: But that movie does not need to be remade. 611 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: Right right, And you know, you get in situations maybe 612 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 1: you had to make it. But the while they both 613 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure have their have their benefits to have their 614 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: unique draws. The original film is the best. Oh man, 615 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 1: have you seen? Speaking of creepy stuff, And this is 616 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: a little more in the horror film era, but you 617 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: saw a Tale of Two Sisters right absolutely. 618 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 3: It's not streaming anywhere. And I realized I wanted to 619 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 3: show it to my friend who was visiting, and I 620 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 3: realized that I had a copy of it on DVD. 621 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 3: Thankfully I found it. Yeah, that's a good one too. 622 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 3: I really got into that whole cinematic universe in a big, 623 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 3: big way. I think a lot of people did. But 624 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 3: remember back when, you know, probably we both first discovered it, 625 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 3: like you couldn't get them on DVD. You had to 626 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 3: like get pirateed versions. And then sure, thank god for 627 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 3: tartan Asia Extreme, you know, that was like a DVD 628 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 3: imprint that all of a sudden realized that these were 629 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 3: going to be huge in the in the DVD market 630 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 3: and put them out. And as far as a podcast 631 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 3: recommendation too for this kind of stuff, I think you'd 632 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 3: dig these guys as well. Ben if you have already 633 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 3: heard of it, it's called blank Check with Griffin and 634 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 3: David's Griffin. Oh, I forget his last name, Griffin Newman. 635 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: I think he's a he is he plays Arthur in 636 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 3: the live action The Tic TV series. But it's him 637 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 3: and his buddy who's a writer for like a like 638 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 3: a film critic, and they talk about like the films 639 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 3: of directors that were kind of like their blank check 640 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 3: after having a successful run of films, and then the 641 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 3: one that was just their batshit Pie in the Sky project. 642 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 3: But they're in the midst of a full part Chin 643 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 3: Wook retrospective and I think the most recent one is 644 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 3: thirst actually so. 645 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: Oh co host The Atlantic film critic David Sim's yep, 646 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 1: good good pods and speaking of good pods, hopefully knock 647 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: on wood. Thank you for tuning in here, too ridiculous history. 648 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: We'll want to as always and with some thanks, big 649 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: big thanks to mister Max Williams, our super producer, and 650 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: of course big big thanks to Alex Williams, both for 651 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: composed this amazing soundtrack you hear at the beginning and 652 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: end of every show. And we're also not pulling the 653 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: rug out from under Max when Max went to the 654 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: Civil War. 655 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, I was doing some research 656 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 2: during the episode and turns out the plot of land 657 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 2: that's equidistance between both the all's residents not that expensive. 658 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 2: So I've already bought it and get ready for a giant, 659 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 2: ugly thing to appear, which you will both neither of 660 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 2: which we'll be able to see. 661 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 3: But Max, you're failing to mention that Ben and I 662 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 3: don't really live that close to each other, so this place, 663 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 3: neither of us will probably ever. 664 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 2: Encounter it right there at the end. But you know what, 665 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 2: when you guys go between each other's places, you'll drive 666 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,479 Speaker 2: back and oh, yeah, that's that ridiculously large thing that Max. 667 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 3: Find another route and I'll love it too. 668 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: I love attention. Man's just going to. 669 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 2: Be a giant me giving you a thumbs down. 670 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: That's fine. I'm used to it. I'm glad you've immortalized it. 671 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: I support you, can I like, do you have a Kickstarter? 672 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: Because I am see. 673 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 2: How I probably need one now. I basically had every 674 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 2: time I have, and I'm the way there. 675 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: Like we like we spent on that Grandfather clock that 676 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: we barely ever use except when Jonathan Strickland aka the. 677 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 2: Insurance that we pay on that thing as ridiculous. 678 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 3: Who knew? 679 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: Who? Knew clock insurance was so heinous. 680 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 3: A lot of moving parts, you know, right right, But indeed, 681 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 3: thank you to the whole team responsible for maintaining and 682 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 3: ensuring that incredible piece of kit that we rely on 683 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 3: about once a year. 684 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: Thanks also to Christopher Hasiotis You're in spirit. Thanks to 685 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: Gabe Lucier, Thanks to Eve's Jeffcoats, all of whom have 686 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: their own projects afoot. 687 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 3: Huge tanks, to John'strickland the quizzor. We got to get 688 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 3: him to come back now that he knows where we are, 689 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 3: you know, when we're in the office together, and make 690 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 3: make use of that. Maybe we can get our use 691 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 3: of the Grandfather clock up to you know, four or 692 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 3: five times a year. It seemed like a worthwhile use 693 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 3: of such an intense investment. Sure, just listen architecture exactly. 694 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 3: Thanks again to you, Ben, These were great and thanks 695 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 3: to you Noel. We'll see you next time. Folks. For 696 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,320 Speaker 3: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 697 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.