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Speaker 1: Ye Bears et cetera with the voices of the Chicago
Speaker 1: Bears Jeff Joniac. But it's gonna be a big game
Speaker 1: Bears and Browns in Cleveland, an important game as it
Speaker 1: awaits the Bears. They are back in the conversation, albeit
Speaker 1: a long way to go to get into the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but plenty of ways to get there and plenty of
Speaker 1: discussion with Tom Thayer. I'm Jeff Jonahak and this is
Speaker 1: the Bears et Cetera podcast. The Bears travel to Cleveland
Speaker 1: on Saturday. We'll kick off at noon Chicago time. On Sunday,
Speaker 1: we break it down and coming up, we visit with
Speaker 1: former Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar and inspiration story for him
Speaker 1: and is rebound overcoming a lot of personal issues and
Speaker 1: just his health in general. And he has a keen
Speaker 1: eye on quarterback play in the National Football League, both
Speaker 1: with Joe Flacco and Justin Field. So I hope I
Speaker 1: set it up perfectly because I think it is one
Speaker 1: of the bigger games we've had here in a while
Speaker 1: Bears and Browns.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean a non divisional game at this point
Speaker 3: in the season. How much it matters to the possible
Speaker 3: playoff future of the Bears. What happened the last time
Speaker 3: that Justin Fields went into Cleveland and played. There are
Speaker 3: so many tentacles to this game that it's not It's
Speaker 3: not as meaningful as a divisional game to me. However,
Speaker 3: for where the Bears are going, it has as much
Speaker 3: meaning as any game the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're shoving all the chips in the table, you know.
Speaker 1: If this is Polker, you're putting them all on the
Speaker 1: table right now. One of four games left, and you're
Speaker 1: right and high a little bit here. You got a
Speaker 1: two game win streak, you have three out of your
Speaker 1: last four, five out of your last nine. There's Rodderie
Speaker 1: brewing in the locker room. Across the offense and defensive
Speaker 1: special teams. People are playing for each other. All these
Speaker 1: things you hear about winning teams, and yet Hey, there's
Speaker 1: still again mountains the climb here, but it feels different
Speaker 1: at the moment.
Speaker 2: How about for you?
Speaker 3: You know, the unfortunate thing for me right now looking
Speaker 3: to Sunday's game is the fact that they've lost you
Speaker 3: On Econ Gockway to an injury. And you know, he
Speaker 3: was part of a rotation of defensive linemen that were
Speaker 3: really effective. And I think when if you have guys
Speaker 3: of a pass rusher with his reputation, what Montes Sweat
Speaker 3: has done for this team, how the rookies are developing,
Speaker 3: and how every other defensive defensive lineman is contributing. He
Speaker 3: was important part of the rotation. So I'm interested to
Speaker 3: see how Matt Eberflus, the defensive coordinator, they kind of
Speaker 3: supplement his reps with the other guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom still the status from hallis in Ikeon Gockway
Speaker 1: broke an ankle.
Speaker 2: I was surprised to hear that, as I.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't think I never saw an injury
Speaker 3: that seem ass severe, and then when I read the
Speaker 3: injury report, I was really disappointed that you know, you know,
Speaker 3: there's a possible well he will be out for quite
Speaker 3: a while. And just again to see where this defense
Speaker 3: was going. I think he was as important part of
Speaker 3: it as not as anybody, but he was an important
Speaker 3: part of.
Speaker 2: It, no question.
Speaker 1: Can't have too many defensive pass rushers. I broke it
Speaker 1: in the game, requires surgery out for the year. I
Speaker 1: happened in one of the last two minute drives of
Speaker 1: the game. Four sacks he winds up with, and eber
Speaker 1: Flush says on Wednesday could have had at least three
Speaker 1: or four that slipped out of his graphs. So a
Speaker 1: great opportunity here. Again, DeMarcus Walker's been playing a lot.
Speaker 1: He'll probably play a lot more. Will Dominique Robinson get
Speaker 1: back into the mix. I'm not giving up on this
Speaker 1: guy just yet. It's just a pause after the trade
Speaker 1: that brought Montest sweat here.
Speaker 2: Reps are a little.
Speaker 1: Limited for guys right now, but I hope he can
Speaker 1: maybe have just one last kick in the end of
Speaker 1: the season.
Speaker 2: You never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Well, you really have to evaluate every position and how
Speaker 3: they factor in in the specific part of the team play,
Speaker 3: how they fit into special teams. Where the receiver position
Speaker 3: is at right now with an injury to Saint Brown,
Speaker 3: so you know it is it is about, you know,
Speaker 3: how they factor in on special teams if they're not
Speaker 3: if they're not a true starter, and Dominique Robinson is
Speaker 3: not going to be considered a true starter. So what
Speaker 3: else can he do for this team?
Speaker 1: Justin fields at the podium every Wednesday, addressed a number
Speaker 1: of things, won, the hits that he's taking and what
Speaker 1: Jacon Brisker had to say about maybe teams are you know,
Speaker 1: zeroing in on Justin and the and the flags aren't flying.
Speaker 1: He took it in stride. He's not making a big
Speaker 1: deal about it. But he has played well, and he
Speaker 1: has played differently in his return. Obviously, the pocket play
Speaker 1: is something that we're always going to discuss. He thinks
Speaker 1: he's developed significantly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just you know, learning from past mistakes.
Speaker 5: I think that's the biggest thing. Where last year, at
Speaker 5: some points I would just you know, escape the pocket
Speaker 5: or you know, just.
Speaker 4: Run for no reason.
Speaker 5: So you know, just trying to move in the pocket,
Speaker 5: fill out the pocket, and throw the boat up too.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting that, you know, he felt last year
Speaker 1: he just sometimes left the pocket for no reason.
Speaker 2: Now he's trying not to do that.
Speaker 1: And boy when he does run though, and I caught
Speaker 1: some of your stuff on Marquee with the Dan Hampton
Speaker 1: this week, just watching some of those runs. They have
Speaker 1: a hard time reaching him when he he just feels
Speaker 1: the juice.
Speaker 2: You know. We talked about the podcast the other day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's interesting his escapability over time because
Speaker 3: a lot of times we saw him move to the
Speaker 3: exterior of the pocket and then when things opened up,
Speaker 3: he took off down the sideline. But a couple of
Speaker 3: the runs he had in the Detroit came were right
Speaker 3: through the center of the defense. And it's not you know,
Speaker 3: like I said in that show, because you can't spy Justin,
Speaker 3: because there's no one out there that's fast enough to
Speaker 3: be a dedicated spy to Justin. So it's more of
Speaker 3: putting bodies on the field and try to interrupt the
Speaker 3: escape lanes or the throwing lanes. Yeah, and but Justin said,
Speaker 3: you know, he's learned more about this offense and it's about,
Speaker 3: you know, how to use his feet and how to
Speaker 3: use his arm. And I think we see examples of
Speaker 3: it each week.
Speaker 1: But now the Cleveland Browns are the opponent. He gave
Speaker 1: us a little thumbnail Scott and report on what he
Speaker 1: is facing.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, they have a lot of talented players,
Speaker 5: you know, on defense, of course, their D line is
Speaker 5: a talented group. Shoot their linebackers, they're very athletic, very fast,
Speaker 5: they have very good instincts in zone coverage on the
Speaker 5: back end. Safeties and corners of course are definitely top
Speaker 5: of the league. So it'll be a great test for
Speaker 5: us this week, and everybody's excited for the opportunity. But
Speaker 5: definitely a talented defense for sure.
Speaker 1: So a lot there athletic linebackers all three levels, but
Speaker 1: they are banged by injuries. In the last question, how
Speaker 1: do you prepare for Miles Garrett? Man, you got to
Speaker 1: have a plan, just you got to have a plan,
Speaker 1: got no where he is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's Justin's responsibility. That's the responsibility of the
Speaker 3: offensive line coaches, the offensive coordinator, and the guys who
Speaker 3: are assigned to him. As far as blockers, Oh yeah, Justin.
Speaker 3: Justin can't be responsible for Miles Garrett and everybody else.
Speaker 3: So the plan of attack against Miles Garrett is gonna be,
Speaker 3: you know, the creativity of Luke Getsey, of Chris Morgan,
Speaker 3: and then the assignment guys that you know are his responsibility. However,
Speaker 3: like when you see him playing against defensive ends like
Speaker 3: they did against the Raiders and other teams along the way,
Speaker 3: they can have a plan of extended opportunity for Justin
Speaker 3: to run away from, you know, wherever the defensive end
Speaker 3: lines up. However, my concern is is that sometimes Miles Garrett,
Speaker 3: he waits for the offense to break the huddle, he
Speaker 3: looks for their position of strength, and then he lines
Speaker 3: up accordingly. So you can't always be guaranteed that you're
Speaker 3: going to have protection pointed in the right direction for
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett. So sometimes some of these guys are going
Speaker 3: to have to have some incredible efforts to be able
Speaker 3: to stop him slow and slow him down in his
Speaker 3: pass protectar's pass effort.
Speaker 1: Well, how would you conteract that? If he's going to
Speaker 1: do that late game shift, late snap shift?
Speaker 2: What do you? What do you? How do you counteract it?
Speaker 3: I have a good blocking back in the backfield, and
Speaker 3: so if I break the huddle and I come out
Speaker 3: in my strength, my tight end is to the left,
Speaker 3: then I move my right, my running back to the
Speaker 3: right hand side if that's where Miles Garrett is lined up.
Speaker 3: So now my chipper is right off the shoulder of
Speaker 3: the offensive tackle, and then I tell my offensive tackle,
Speaker 3: maybe cut down your split a little bit. Makes understand
Speaker 3: that you have outside protection, so don't give up that
Speaker 3: inside path. And those are the coaching remarks and the
Speaker 3: responsibilities of the offensive offense developers.
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Speaker 1: just looked at some stats here on the Browns. You
Speaker 1: know they do blitz They blitzed at a pretty higher
Speaker 1: rate thirty percent of the time. Their pressure rate second
Speaker 1: best in the league. That's an ode to the great
Speaker 1: skill of Miles Garrett at forty two point one percent.
Speaker 1: So these are things that the Bears are going to
Speaker 1: have to be looking at. They play man a lot,
Speaker 1: fourth highest percentage in the league tom and that seemingly
Speaker 1: lands in favor of the quarterback justin fields because if
Speaker 1: their back is to them, he could be taken off right.
Speaker 3: But when you talk about a great pass rusher like
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett, you talk about a team that it says,
Speaker 3: are they gonna push him? Are they going to allow
Speaker 3: his escapability to the shortest part of the field where
Speaker 3: they have multiple bodies. Are they gonna give him the
Speaker 3: full fifty three to you know, take off and challenge
Speaker 3: the defense.
Speaker 4: It'll be interesting.
Speaker 3: And I think though, if you're gonna play a lot
Speaker 3: of man coverage against a guy like Justin fields Man,
Speaker 3: you're playing with fire. And if he can, you know,
Speaker 3: create escapability through that, I think you're gonna see some
Speaker 3: big quarterback runs by him.
Speaker 1: So this Browns team is number five right now in
Speaker 1: the AFC. Tom Grant Delpit out for the year, just
Speaker 1: signed a thirty six million dollar contract. He's got a
Speaker 1: groin injury suffered against Jacksonville when he sacked Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Outstanding player having his best season so far. Seventy seven tackles,
Speaker 1: Jedrick Wills Jedrick Willis goes on injured reserve with a knee.
Speaker 1: Dwan Jones has a knee. The two starting tackles. If
Speaker 1: they had Nick Chubb and Deshaun Watson and Conklin and
Speaker 1: Rodney McLeod and Maurice hurst Man, we'd be we'd be
Speaker 1: talking a little bit differently about this Browns team, and
Speaker 1: as it is, they've managed to overcome and win eight games,
Speaker 1: and they've won the most games in the league against
Speaker 1: teams with a better than five hundred records. So they're
Speaker 1: finding ways to get it done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and a large large part of that
Speaker 3: is they have a good defense. Even though they're missing
Speaker 3: a couple of key parts to that defense, they can
Speaker 3: still pressure a quarterback, young quarterback, maybe a quarterback that
Speaker 3: doesn't have great athleticism. Maybe there's a deficiency on the
Speaker 3: offensive line that they can take advantage of repeatedly. So
Speaker 3: this is going to be an interesting matchup. But you know,
Speaker 3: I think the development of the Bears offensive line, the
Speaker 3: way the offensive guards can help out the tackle position,
Speaker 3: what you can do for a guy like Justin Fields
Speaker 3: if you offer him the right escape valve. So I
Speaker 3: think they're over there in Cleveland kind of probably talking
Speaker 3: about some of the same things that we are about
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns. They're saying of them about the Chicago Bears.
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Speaker 1: All right, a long conversation and in a very in
Speaker 1: lightening conversation. Ahead, Well, we have two weeks ago Eric
Speaker 1: Kramer or last week Eric Kramer his battles. Now we
Speaker 1: got Bernie Kosar. We were seemingly going to talk Brown's
Speaker 1: Bears and his unique perspective on his hometown team growing
Speaker 1: up in Youngstown, but it traveled many different ways. Tom,
Speaker 1: I was blown away by the conversation and some of
Speaker 1: your questions and some of your thoughts on it as well.
Speaker 1: So let's take a list in our conversation with the
Speaker 1: former national champion at the University of Miami, recruited by
Speaker 1: Howard Schnellenberger, instrumental in his rise to becoming a Heisman
Speaker 1: candidate back in nineteen eighty four, and then the supplemental
Speaker 1: draft in nineteen eighty five, the year Tom and his
Speaker 1: Bear teammates won the Super Bowl, Bernie Cosa on a
Speaker 1: lot of different topics. All right, we welcome an old
Speaker 1: friend back to the Show Bears, Etc. Podcast with Tom There,
Speaker 1: Jeff Joniyanka. We welcome the smiling face of one of
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks in his day and one of the
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks for the Cleveland Browns. Bernie Cosard doing well.
Speaker 1: I love the big smile on your face.
Speaker 2: Bernie. How you feeling.
Speaker 6: I'm still great, Jeff Tom Great to be with you
Speaker 6: guys as your Chicago Bears come in to take on
Speaker 6: our Cleveland Browns this weekend.
Speaker 4: The actually, the health and wellness of myself, it's a.
Speaker 6: Lot better than some of our our Cleveland Browns and
Speaker 6: some of our our Cleveland Brown quarterbacks of late.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, I think a second team now. The Browns
Speaker 1: have already done it. Minnesota is going to be the
Speaker 1: second one since nineteen fifty to start four quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: one season and win games on top of it. So
Speaker 1: your guy right now is Joe Flacco. Hey, we'll take
Speaker 1: your lead here and start talking about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a Bernie co start type quarterback, pocket passer and
Speaker 1: been around a long time at the tender age now
Speaker 1: thirty eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: To see to see Joe Flacco in a Cleveland Brown
Speaker 6: uniform and playing in the old Cleveland Brown Stadium is
Speaker 6: a little unique and challenging to some of us CTED
Speaker 6: or TBI cancust old quarterbacks, but seeing him on the
Speaker 6: Brown side of things as opposed to the Ravens and
Speaker 6: our last year. We were mortified when he was playing
Speaker 6: for the Jets and had that miracle comeback against the
Speaker 6: Browns last year. The way our defense is playing, the
Speaker 6: way our offensive line is playing, and to see Joe Flacco,
Speaker 6: who literally two.
Speaker 4: And a half weeks ago was sitting on his couch and.
Speaker 6: Now to see now's the se him throwing. And to
Speaker 6: see him throwing and I'm not trying to say this
Speaker 6: guy is to be a homer or to strike up
Speaker 6: this Browns Bears thing. I'm really just talking about it
Speaker 6: from the ultimate respect of an old quarterback watching another
Speaker 6: quarterback play. To see him throw the skinny bangate post
Speaker 6: that he threw a couple times against the Rams two
Speaker 6: weeks ago, and then what he was doing last weekend's game,
Speaker 6: and to have that sense of timing to be able
Speaker 6: to hit those balls now, with that sense of timing now,
Speaker 6: it's really impressive after all those years in.
Speaker 4: The league that he's still able to make those type of.
Speaker 6: Throws and away Coach Stefanski and our offense and Coach
Speaker 6: Callahan's been handled We've had a ton of injuries on
Speaker 6: the offensive line, and with Tom on the call here,
Speaker 6: I'd love to see what he thinks about our offensive line.
Speaker 6: I mean, we're throwing the third level of third string,
Speaker 6: yet our offensive line is dominating. And given Joe Flacco
Speaker 6: with the running game time so the play action pass
Speaker 6: and being an old school quarterback, drop back, pocket quarterback
Speaker 6: with offensive line play with guys that you have only
Speaker 6: been there as a little amount of time as Joe Flacco,
Speaker 6: it's actually really impressive.
Speaker 4: Ernie.
Speaker 3: Before I get into the Cleveland Browns and Bears game,
Speaker 3: I got to ask you a question. When I heard
Speaker 3: you were going to be on, I could not wait
Speaker 3: to ask you. So, you've taken your career from consideration.
Speaker 4: You take it. You look at the tough guy image.
Speaker 3: Of that era of football, You think of the quarterback position,
Speaker 3: and then you think what Tom Brady said two weeks
Speaker 3: ago and the state of the toughness in preparation of
Speaker 3: the modern day NFL. Do you have any reaction towards
Speaker 3: what he said and do you agree or disagree with it?
Speaker 6: Well, Tom, the old school, the old school QB. Now,
Speaker 6: I probably could get a little long winded on this answer,
Speaker 6: you know, and as I look at some of these
Speaker 6: old cranium inflating pictures of me behind me and stuff
Speaker 6: of the old days, we were joking, you know, me
Speaker 6: and you and Jeff joke on air and off air
Speaker 6: for more than the last decade about some of the
Speaker 6: health issues that we've gone through, that we go through
Speaker 6: and proudably what we did when we played. And I
Speaker 6: don't want to see guys get hit like we got
Speaker 6: hit and it's kind of the.
Speaker 4: Barbari gladiator days of it. But I am super.
Speaker 6: Proud to be sitting here, to be healthy, to be
Speaker 6: cognitively present, you know, after forty surgeries, eighty broken bones,
Speaker 6: hack one hundred concussions, had fifteen seizures. I had my
Speaker 6: last two seizures at the O'Hare Airport. I was in
Speaker 6: a coma for ninety six hours coming from a concussion
Speaker 6: and valuation. I'm with the NFL docs, so I don't
Speaker 6: want to see these younger quarterbacks go through some of
Speaker 6: the stuff that I'm going through health wise and kind
Speaker 6: of what I've been doing on my health and wellness
Speaker 6: journey to come out of it.
Speaker 4: Heck, the great quarterback Jim McMahon I've been looking at
Speaker 4: his ankle.
Speaker 6: And some of the stuff that you know, he's going
Speaker 6: through with his with his rehab and us trying to
Speaker 6: be healthy now on that God, one of your old
Speaker 6: teammates that you used to block, Steve McMichael, you know,
Speaker 6: and what he's going through. So there's so many of
Speaker 6: those type gladiator issues that some of our friends aren't
Speaker 6: doing well with that, you know.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm super proud to be.
Speaker 6: Cognitively present and to be basically physically pretty good. But boy, Tom,
Speaker 6: you know, some of the stuff that we went through
Speaker 6: and some of our friends are going through. Now, it's
Speaker 6: awesome that you and me are able to be on
Speaker 6: air today and decently articularly, but God, so many of
Speaker 6: our friends aren't able to do that. So when I
Speaker 6: hear statements like that, I kind of feel proud to
Speaker 6: be here, but yet I feel bad for a lot
Speaker 6: of the guys that we played with and what they're
Speaker 6: going through. So when I hear Tom Brady make those statements,
Speaker 6: the physical thing I think is.
Speaker 4: Okay, But one of the things that.
Speaker 6: Maybe he's made referring to is because they don't maybe
Speaker 6: practice as much and actually see this a little bit
Speaker 6: in the development of Justin Fields in Chicago.
Speaker 4: I'm a big, big fan of.
Speaker 6: Your QB there, and I love his athleticism, I love
Speaker 6: the way he plays in his presence. But maybe Tom
Speaker 6: your question, and what tom Brady's may be referring to
Speaker 6: is his level of coaching and the system that he
Speaker 6: got early in his career, and the attention to detail
Speaker 6: and almost the obsessiveness that we had.
Speaker 4: With knowledge and back in the day.
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, I was on top of that gladiator
Speaker 6: targ killer be killed attitude from the physical side, but boy,
Speaker 6: from the mental side, it was a masters program of
Speaker 6: practice and intelligence from the x'es and o's. And I
Speaker 6: see that kind of lacking a little bit in what
Speaker 6: they're teaching the younger quarterbacks, and they're asking them really
Speaker 6: to not on learn the whole field, in the whole game,
Speaker 6: like Tom Brady, like myself, was kind of groomed.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of limiting to young quarterbacks.
Speaker 6: And I see guys like you know, Justin Field's kind
Speaker 6: of struggling early in his development because of I think
Speaker 6: some of those statements like that Tom Brady's making about
Speaker 6: maybe the development of the coaching of it isn't what
Speaker 6: it's what it's up to part all right.
Speaker 3: So now let's move to the modern day Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3: You talked about your offensive line a year ago, two
Speaker 3: year and a half ago, they had a reputation of
Speaker 3: possibly being one of the best offensive lines in the NFL.
Speaker 3: When you talk about those types of practice adjustments and
Speaker 3: the lack of fundamental training because you can't be in
Speaker 3: full pads as much as we were throughout our career.
Speaker 3: Is it the offensive line coaches that's doing a nice
Speaker 3: job in preparation? Is that the system or is that
Speaker 3: the ingrade toughness that Stefanski.
Speaker 4: Has for the whole roster. Well, that's a great question, Tom,
Speaker 4: and that's it's someone.
Speaker 6: I think a combination of all three of the points
Speaker 6: you're brought up, But it would be it would not
Speaker 6: be proper. And I'll give coach Callahan.
Speaker 4: A success credit for it.
Speaker 6: And I don't want to minimize the athleticism and toughness
Speaker 6: and awesomeness of the players. But there's been about ten
Speaker 6: players playing about five physicians so far this year.
Speaker 4: And all of them have played.
Speaker 6: Above above pretty good and stuff from that perspective, But
Speaker 6: the system and the system and the attended that zone
Speaker 6: blocking scheme as where the five offsets the line are
Speaker 6: really moving in unison together. Actually, I think has really
Speaker 6: helped development of the whole line.
Speaker 4: But being able to play in unison like they're capable of.
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Speaker 1: Cleveland and it should be a very interesting affair. You've
Speaker 1: got a hot Bears team playing great defense. You've got
Speaker 1: a Browns defense it's ranked number one, and a lot
Speaker 1: of key categories third down and preventing first downs, and
Speaker 1: not to mention the past defense. Miles Garrett, though he
Speaker 1: scares us now, he scared us in Justin's first NFL start,
Speaker 1: and Tom has many opinions on what happened in that start.
Speaker 1: But he was hit fifteen times, sack nine times. Garrett
Speaker 1: had four and a half of those sects and hit
Speaker 1: him six times. I think he's healthy, but is he
Speaker 1: having an MVP type season?
Speaker 2: For you?
Speaker 1: And what awaits the Bears when they take on that
Speaker 1: rounds front four?
Speaker 4: So I love, of course We love Miles Garrett.
Speaker 6: There's no denying his awesomeness and how he's been playing
Speaker 6: the Bears.
Speaker 4: And Miles is a tough guy.
Speaker 6: He's not complaining at all, you know about his injuries
Speaker 6: and stuff.
Speaker 4: But he does have a shoulder injury that the Bears
Speaker 4: know about and the world knows about.
Speaker 6: And he's been playing probably at eighty is percent. So
Speaker 6: the last week or two, you know, getting an eighty
Speaker 6: percent Miles Garrett given one hundred percent effort, but physically
Speaker 6: that's maybe not as dominant as we saw.
Speaker 4: A month ago. When you have a.
Speaker 6: Tom you remember the old fresh legs perspective and good,
Speaker 6: good health and stuff of it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The but you mentioned the Justin Fields.
Speaker 6: First game against Miles Garrett in the four and a
Speaker 6: half sacks to fifteen hits.
Speaker 4: Again, I'm not alling to.
Speaker 6: Pick on that system, okay, but that system on set
Speaker 6: up at all for success for Justin Fields as a
Speaker 6: young quarterback. I think it's actually sinful to put that
Speaker 6: young man in that spot back then, and that really
Speaker 6: retards his potential chance and growth.
Speaker 4: Right then. So again I'm a Browns.
Speaker 6: Fan, so that bears that bodes well for us, But
Speaker 6: I don't like to see young man like that be
Speaker 6: stunted in his development. And we put kind of in
Speaker 6: a system back then that man he should have been
Speaker 6: and you got You're still suffering of the ramifications of
Speaker 6: the repercussions of that system and those hits because Livan,
Speaker 6: I'm looking at you, Jeff.
Speaker 4: Right in the eyes as we're on screen now. But
Speaker 4: us qbs, you.
Speaker 6: Know, I don't want to goofy you on camera here,
Speaker 6: but us QB's gonna look up.
Speaker 4: We're looking past the Mike Liberterers.
Speaker 6: They're looking in almost to the screen, and we're trying
Speaker 6: to see the whole picture.
Speaker 4: That's easier said than done. And I'm still doing that now.
Speaker 6: But when the play starts and guys are covering around
Speaker 6: you and stuff and that.
Speaker 4: Old system and justin Phil's that.
Speaker 6: Day got hit fifteen times and I got four and
Speaker 6: a half sacks by Miles Garrett, Man.
Speaker 4: The eyes have to drop, they have to come down.
Speaker 6: And when you're a QB and now I'm hovering and
Speaker 6: I see Tom Pair's backside, Okay, that's a negative sign
Speaker 6: for US quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: We want to we don't and I mean this in
Speaker 4: the most.
Speaker 6: Respect that Jay Hildebert, who who blocked next to Tom Also,
Speaker 6: I got the honor and put my hands.
Speaker 4: Under his backside and stuff.
Speaker 6: I never saw those guys because they were so good
Speaker 6: you knew they You didn't.
Speaker 4: Have to drop your eyes out.
Speaker 6: Justin Phil's early in his career, when he's developing his confidence,
Speaker 6: his self esteem. You know I've used I used the
Speaker 6: phrase you matter a lot here in Cleveland. It's not
Speaker 6: from the universe seat in Miami, it's because you matter
Speaker 6: in us quarterbacks. We were acting like we're always calm
Speaker 6: and we have our self belief, but just self confidence
Speaker 6: and self esteem. And if you don't have it, your
Speaker 6: eyes drop. You don't have a belief that the play
Speaker 6: is gonna hold up. You don't have a belief that
Speaker 6: the offensive line is going to hold up together. So
Speaker 6: you drop your eyes down and you.
Speaker 4: Take a look for Miles Garrett. And that makes for
Speaker 4: it a horrible day if you're a Bears fan, and
Speaker 4: make sure a great day if you're a Browns fan.
Speaker 4: Slowly love the slew, We love the NFL.
Speaker 3: Hey Bernnie. My last year in Miami, Steve de Berg
Speaker 3: and I came aboard the same time in Miami. He
Speaker 3: practiced for four days and then he was able to
Speaker 3: start a game. You look at the similarities with the
Speaker 3: age and Joe Flacco's experience. So does Joe Flackell come
Speaker 3: in and tell Stefanski the plays, the types of patterns
Speaker 3: he likes the most, and then you build upon that,
Speaker 3: or does Joe Flack go have to invest himself in
Speaker 3: the terminology of the Cleveland Browns playbook in play by
Speaker 3: their rules.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna get to that ladder question, my man.
Speaker 6: But I wanted to get back to that nineteen ninety
Speaker 6: three Steve de Berg coming and learning that system in for.
Speaker 4: Four days and play that.
Speaker 6: Awesome guard Tom Fair and stuff. Because Bertie Kosar gonna
Speaker 6: whack that year too.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 6: So I was getting to talk to by the Dolphins too.
Speaker 6: So as me and Steve de Berg were debating between
Speaker 6: the Dolphins and the Cowboys and stuff, Steve ended up
Speaker 6: at the Dolphins and stuff I could have handled I
Speaker 6: got from.
Speaker 4: I gotta went from Jay Hilgeberg taking snaps down. That
Speaker 4: helps out.
Speaker 6: There, okay, But as it pertains to the play calling
Speaker 6: and the system and with Joe Flackem's gonna want to do.
Speaker 6: There were some cute things that happened towards the end
Speaker 6: of our Browns game. We had a fourth and two
Speaker 6: where we went forward on a plus forty yard line
Speaker 6: ended up hitting it for a touchdown when they blew
Speaker 6: the coverage last week and stuff, And you can see
Speaker 6: the excitement of coach the fans get running on the field.
Speaker 6: You can see the excitement Joe flaccam vetching qbs and
Speaker 6: the respect the coaches tend to have for us older qbs.
Speaker 6: I could see them really tailoring game plans now that
Speaker 6: are really in Joe's sweet spot, stuff that he really
Speaker 6: feels good at doing. And again, not the bear see
Speaker 6: these things. But again he's thirty eight years old, and
Speaker 6: whether he's the Browns quarterback or not, I'm not smiling.
Speaker 6: I'm not giving these glowing statements. I'm massively impressed. Tom
Speaker 6: As we were waiting for you to get on air.
Speaker 6: Here I was joking with Jeff and stuff off air.
Speaker 6: I can't believe how he's throwing the skinny post. I
Speaker 6: mean he's sitting on the couch two and a half
Speaker 6: weeks ago. Now he's throwing bang aids off of off
Speaker 6: of a five step drop, throwing him like He's a
Speaker 6: twenty three year old guy with what such arm town
Speaker 6: it's super impressive to.
Speaker 1: Watch Bernie Cosar our guest here on Bears, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So before we start talking about how you're doing, and
Speaker 1: I see your co star coffee sweatshirt, your hoodie and
Speaker 1: the and the old number nineteen, had that ball cocked
Speaker 1: and ready to throw just like it coffee.
Speaker 2: Wait, just like it is, okay, but it looks just.
Speaker 4: Like on a passive forward.
Speaker 2: It looks just like.
Speaker 1: You throwing it and having that ball cocked on that
Speaker 1: poster that I had as a kid as well. So
Speaker 1: and we're at the same age. So I loved I
Speaker 1: loved Bernie Costar, believe me.
Speaker 4: But I did take the Iowa state with you.
Speaker 1: I certainly did, buddy, I certainly did. Here's what I
Speaker 1: didn't know. Here's what I didn't know though. So I
Speaker 1: was keenly aware of what was going on with the
Speaker 1: supplemental draft back in nineteen eighty five. But what I
Speaker 1: didn't know that the vice Vikings traded with the Oilers
Speaker 1: to obtain a top pick and they wanted to draft you.
Speaker 1: I only thought that you were like I didn't know
Speaker 1: this for short, I never did the research on it.
Speaker 1: I thought you wanted to play in Cleveland so bad.
Speaker 1: It was somewhat orchestrated that you got into the supplemental
Speaker 1: draft and the Browns were gonna pick you.
Speaker 2: But it got ugly.
Speaker 1: And also there were legal lawsuit threats and all that
Speaker 1: from the Oilers, and can you put that all in
Speaker 1: context force and as minimal amount of time as you can.
Speaker 6: It's it's humbling to talk about that and bringing that
Speaker 6: up chess, you know, And actually it was.
Speaker 4: They actually did suit me.
Speaker 2: The vice they did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Kasha Roselle, the Oilers and stuff.
Speaker 4: And I am a mommy's boy Northeast O High. I
Speaker 4: want to play at home. You know.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like de Vito in the Giants right now,
Speaker 6: come cooking. My mom did my laundry and stuff.
Speaker 4: I was only I was.
Speaker 6: I was joking with Michael Vick last night, We're the
Speaker 6: youngest quarterbacks to start in the NFL. I'm only twenty
Speaker 6: twenty one years old. So I really wanted to be there.
Speaker 6: But I was a huge Bud Grant fan, and Bud
Speaker 6: Grant came down to University of Miami and said, Hey,
Speaker 6: I'm going to draft you I'm going to trade I'm
Speaker 6: going to trade the tick And I go, oh, coach,
Speaker 6: please don't do that.
Speaker 4: Please. I'm not even sure I want to leave University
Speaker 4: of Miami. We were really lock and loaded. It's going
Speaker 4: to be a really good team.
Speaker 6: And the only way I could possibly leave is if
Speaker 6: I could come home play for my boyhood team. And
Speaker 6: the general manager and he was a good guy, Mike Lynn,
Speaker 6: he was a little hard nose back then, said you
Speaker 6: don't have a choice, son, You.
Speaker 4: Know, you don't have a choice, and he left and yeah,
Speaker 4: you ended up assuming before it, and my mom was
Speaker 4: mad at him. Okay, so I'm still a good little
Speaker 4: Catholic boy. Listen to mommy, you know. So I wanted
Speaker 4: to come home.
Speaker 3: Hey, Bernie, you know, when you think about the Miami days,
Speaker 3: you think of everything they went through. You know, I
Speaker 3: had some great games against them, and I had some
Speaker 3: awful games against them. You know, what do you the
Speaker 3: legacy of the Miami now What do you think about
Speaker 3: what they've gone through since the uber successful, the reputation
Speaker 3: you guys had, the star quality players you put out there.
Speaker 4: What do you think about Miami nowadays?
Speaker 6: So I really like Mario crystal ball and the old
Speaker 6: school kind of mentality that we're trying to bring back
Speaker 6: from the Jimmy Johnson, Howard Snellenberger, Dennis Erickson days when
Speaker 6: we got our four of our five national championships and stuff.
Speaker 4: So whether people like.
Speaker 6: The nil world or not, Miami's playing the nil world.
Speaker 6: So we're able to you know, really attract high, high end,
Speaker 6: you know, good players and stuff. We haven't caught up
Speaker 6: yet with maybe our system matching them with the results
Speaker 6: and stuff.
Speaker 4: But you know, the God the memories of the.
Speaker 6: Old school Miami and God Tom from you and your
Speaker 6: Notre Dame days to you know, me and my Miami
Speaker 6: days and the old school. I played the first night
Speaker 6: game they brought to portable the portable lights into Notre
Speaker 6: Dame Stadium to play the first night game there.
Speaker 4: I'm on ESPN back in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, mus skull lighting system.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was actually that was actually the first fight
Speaker 6: in the tunnel.
Speaker 7: Okay, Jerry Foles came running up to me and yellow,
Speaker 7: we're gonna kick care but bleep, bleep bleep, and he
Speaker 7: touched me and you were a little too close then,
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, there went okay, the fight.
Speaker 4: Started, so.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many similarities between your arrivals.
Speaker 2: Just you know, Tom never left Chicago.
Speaker 1: He played well USFL first, but he played his whole
Speaker 1: career NFL mostly with the Bears for nine years now,
Speaker 1: broadcaster for almost thirty years. So it's been unbelieve when
Speaker 1: you've been so closely tied to the Browns as well
Speaker 1: as you are right now. But nothing's been easy for you,
Speaker 1: has it? And I mean you look fantastic number one,
Speaker 1: number one, just look really good and healthy and happy.
Speaker 2: So first and foremost are you? Are you?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I am?
Speaker 6: Thanks Jeff, you know you mentioned you know, you mentioned
Speaker 6: the co star coffee and stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't do that for a shameless.
Speaker 2: Plug and that what's in it?
Speaker 4: But well, you know what's.
Speaker 6: In it is I infuse and I have a patent
Speaker 6: with some great partners and stuff, and I've become a
Speaker 6: holistic kind of healer in the late third quarter early
Speaker 6: fourth quarter of my life.
Speaker 4: I mean I joked about it.
Speaker 6: So we infuse vitamin D and resveratrol, so I'm not
Speaker 6: a drinker anymore. Resveratroll is the top antioxidant that you
Speaker 6: find in red wine. So as a moderate vitamins juicer.
Speaker 6: Now as a guy who's had forty surgeries eighty broken bones,
Speaker 6: I say earlier the hunter concussions, fourteen seizures, that last
Speaker 6: one in Chicago that I was telling me about earlier
Speaker 6: in a comb.
Speaker 4: For ninety six hours.
Speaker 6: I mean that was five and a half years ago,
Speaker 6: twenty seventeen. About twenty seventeen, I was told that I
Speaker 6: have four years left a cognitive brain function. You guys
Speaker 6: remember when you and me we used to do the
Speaker 6: shows six.
Speaker 4: Seven, eight years ago, nine years ago.
Speaker 6: I was okay, but man, I couldn't really annunzia, articulate tomunikey, any.
Speaker 4: Multiple syllable words.
Speaker 6: So four years ago, when I was told I had
Speaker 6: five years left a cognitive brain function, Bros, I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I couldn't say cognitive.
Speaker 6: I couldn't get out those multiple syllable words. So when
Speaker 6: the doctors in the Chicago hospital said, hey, man, you're
Speaker 6: a tough guy. You're doing great. Keep up with your
Speaker 6: prescriptions and protocols. Man, I was on like sixty some
Speaker 6: pills a day. I was close to a thousand milligrams
Speaker 6: scripted of oxycontins, adderalls by Bance. So now to not
Speaker 6: have taken a pillm five years, to have figured out
Speaker 6: how to be juicing and stuff and how to do
Speaker 6: smart supplementation kind of with my costar wellness and stuff
Speaker 6: and with my Coastart coffee, I've really been able to
Speaker 6: almost slow down the deterioration of my cognited decline.
Speaker 4: And physically I've been really feeling good.
Speaker 6: So, you know, some of the things that I just
Speaker 6: mentioned wasn't isn't easy to say, But we've had in
Speaker 6: Ohio this last week, we've had one hundred and twenty
Speaker 6: five people dive the overdose desks. In the last twelve months,
Speaker 6: we've had almost one hundred and ten thousand people in
Speaker 6: our country.
Speaker 4: The veterans.
Speaker 6: Combat veterans have a lot of the same issues as
Speaker 6: US NFL players. Twenty two veterans will commit suicide today.
Speaker 4: It's so emotional for me, Tom to even talk about it.
Speaker 4: One of our brothers, one of your Notre Dame.
Speaker 6: Graduates, Sagrin High School graduate, Notre Dame national champion, uh.
Speaker 4: Believe the Brown offensive linement with me.
Speaker 6: In nineteen ninety two and nineteen ninety three, Bob Dogg committed.
Speaker 4: Suicide just two months ago. It's tough stuff for us
Speaker 4: to talk about. I don't say that now for shock value.
Speaker 6: I absolutely don't say it to all move product or
Speaker 6: something like that. But there's a sense of awareness out
Speaker 6: there now that for us guys. You know, and we
Speaker 6: mentioned what what Steve McMichael's going through.
Speaker 4: We see what some of.
Speaker 6: Our other brothers, Wolver Marshall, you know, some of the
Speaker 6: concussion issues that you know some of us do, Ernest
Speaker 6: Byner one of my great great teammates, you know, some
Speaker 6: of the cognitive things that we have to wrestle with now.
Speaker 6: I was talking earlier about you matter, telling guys that
Speaker 6: they matter, just telling people that we believe in them,
Speaker 6: showing them now that there's hope.
Speaker 4: You know, Jeff, I love how you point it out.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: I don't say and thank you for saying I look
Speaker 6: better and maybe sound better. I don't say it and
Speaker 6: sit here today to get the stroke of compliment and stuff.
Speaker 6: And I absolutely don't say it to sell Costar coffee
Speaker 6: that's launching this week. But a lot of the money
Speaker 6: that we're making, that's the money that I'm making, the
Speaker 6: supplements that I'm using.
Speaker 4: It's really to give back to.
Speaker 6: A lot of our brothers, a lot of our teammates,
Speaker 6: a lot of our military guys that and let them know.
Speaker 4: And I'd love for you guys to keep spreading the word, not.
Speaker 6: Just to move like our products and stuff, but to
Speaker 6: let people know there is hope out there.
Speaker 4: There's things you could do that are natural. Right now,
Speaker 4: I haven't.
Speaker 6: Taken a pill and five years and I'm constantly present.
Speaker 6: I'm not really in pain either, and I'm not you know,
Speaker 6: I'm taking digestive enzymes on a trace mineral's fullvic assets,
Speaker 6: fermented super greens, opt in my D optimizing my D level.
Speaker 4: He can my co star coffee haven't res veratral.
Speaker 6: I'm getting an antioxidant in my coffee, the black coffee bean.
Speaker 6: I didn't know this because us NFL guys, we don't
Speaker 6: sleep a lot, so sometimes we get afraid of coffee.
Speaker 6: Doctor Michael Roysen, the head of Cleveland Clinic, says the
Speaker 6: black coffee being it's the number one thing to flush
Speaker 6: in detox our brain and liver. So there's a big
Speaker 6: connectivity between our stomach and our brain.
Speaker 4: A lot of us really struggling.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we save physical issues a lot of us are
Speaker 6: struggling in society with anxieties and depressions.
Speaker 4: I was one of those guys.
Speaker 6: And again, I'm just trying to let people know that
Speaker 6: you can come out the other side, and there's things
Speaker 6: you can do healthy that you can live in the late.
Speaker 4: Third quarter, early fourth quarter of my life.
Speaker 6: I'm a fun, happy, cognitively productive lifestyle.
Speaker 3: You know, Bernie, your name is recognized around our country.
Speaker 3: You know, whether you say Bernie or you say Kozar.
Speaker 3: And everything you were able to accomplish on the football field.
Speaker 3: You may looked offward throwing the ball, but you threw
Speaker 3: it in the right spot. Everything that you have accomplished
Speaker 3: over the last few years, and as well as Jeff
Speaker 3: and I know you, it overshadows everything you were able
Speaker 3: to accomplish on the football field. And I have nothing
Speaker 3: but admiration. And I can't wait for the people to
Speaker 3: be able to hear your story and to listen to
Speaker 3: you and understand what you've overcome and how your arrow
Speaker 3: is pointed up. And I tell you what I can't
Speaker 3: say enoughing tell you how much I appreciate you for it.
Speaker 4: Thank you, brother. I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Guys, Bernie, real quick if you got a couple of
Speaker 1: more minutes. So it's almost been a almost a miracle transformation, right,
Speaker 1: And is the background by which you strove to be
Speaker 1: great as a football player all the way from high
Speaker 1: school to college to the NFL and and being a
Speaker 1: member of the Super Bowl team for the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: reaching that pinnacle? Did all of that discipline that required
Speaker 1: that you're required to put in to get out of
Speaker 1: the game what you put in? You are a smart quarterback,
Speaker 1: everybody knows that, but you still have to put in
Speaker 1: the work. Did this help you then as you're staring
Speaker 1: in the mirror and looking where your life was going
Speaker 1: and how much pain and suffering you were going through?
Speaker 1: Did that all come together to help you get to
Speaker 1: where you are right now? Are you being a football
Speaker 1: player in a sense getting ready for a game?
Speaker 4: You know, Jeff?
Speaker 6: Really beautiful How you asked that or piece that together? Well?
Speaker 6: For a lot of people, a lot of kids, a
Speaker 6: lot of parents ask hey, do you think we you
Speaker 6: should let your kids play football?
Speaker 4: Do you regret playing football? If you had to do
Speaker 4: it all over again, would you do that again?
Speaker 6: And I absolutely the life lessons the football taught me,
Speaker 6: This is absolutely playing football right.
Speaker 4: Now, Jeff, I'm not trying to grandstand.
Speaker 6: This is absolutely the greatest comeback of my life. This
Speaker 6: is harder than the football part of it. I really
Speaker 6: feel like I'm blessed. I would absolutely I'm glad that
Speaker 6: I had the injuries. I'm glad that I played in
Speaker 6: that era. I'm glad I actually went through that stuff
Speaker 6: because I actually believe that there's a purpose for me
Speaker 6: in this later early fourth quarter of my life. You know,
Speaker 6: if I didn't learn from football that competitiveness, that toughness
Speaker 6: and then go through those issues, I don't think I'd
Speaker 6: be able to sit here today and have really learned
Speaker 6: learned the things I've learned to be able to help
Speaker 6: the people and help them. We joked about this, and
Speaker 6: we talked a little bit about this as I was
Speaker 6: getting better three or four years ago, Jeff and Tom,
Speaker 6: before COVID hit, but we knew these issues were coming,
Speaker 6: not only a little bit personally, but within US NFL players,
Speaker 6: within our military people, depression anxiety within our country had
Speaker 6: so many parents and young kids are getting scripted with
Speaker 6: adderalls on vibbans.
Speaker 4: We knew that this issue was going.
Speaker 6: Then COVID hit and it really amplified the issue.
Speaker 4: But we had the COVID. Now we're kind of.
Speaker 6: Getting back into it now, and these are the type
Speaker 6: of things now that have happened that I really believe
Speaker 6: I've been put here and had to learn so that
Speaker 6: I could kind of help people again, not just sit
Speaker 6: here to say hey, you could you could sound good
Speaker 6: and do a cool podcast or something, but that here's
Speaker 6: the things you could take, you know, to You don't
Speaker 6: have to take the twenty five pills a day. There's
Speaker 6: a stat with I think at fifty years old in America,
Speaker 6: we averaged taking eight pills of person.
Speaker 4: At seventy years old, we averaged about twenty five pills
Speaker 4: of person.
Speaker 6: There's some simple things letting the body heal itself that
Speaker 6: you're able to do.
Speaker 1: All right, lastly, and we'll let you go. I know
Speaker 1: you got other things going on. You just got back
Speaker 1: from Atlanta. You were with Commissioner Goodell. Are you apparently
Speaker 1: going to be at the game on Sunday? And the
Speaker 1: former Ambassador of the UN Andrew Young. What was going
Speaker 1: down there in Atlanta? What was Bernie Cosar doing with
Speaker 1: these heavyweights?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 6: To be with Ambassador Young and being down in Atlanta
Speaker 6: with Michael Vick, James Harris, and Doug Williams doing the
Speaker 6: history and legends of black NFL quarterbacks in the NFL
Speaker 6: was super inspiring for me to be with three of
Speaker 6: those three guys, then to be with the diversity programs
Speaker 6: with a commissioner and ambassador young and to see it
Speaker 6: and actually show my baseball my baseball background Alex Strodriguez
Speaker 6: and Reggie Jackson were there, so be able to see
Speaker 6: them in Michael Milkin and talk about how inclusive and
Speaker 6: being able the NFL of diversity and how the NFL
Speaker 6: is kind of trying to work with different groups and stuff.
Speaker 6: But I was really impressed with some of the people
Speaker 6: down there from the health and wellness perspective. So a
Speaker 6: lot of the things that that's happened in society, that's
Speaker 6: happening in the inner cities, that's happening with gun violence
Speaker 6: and the opiate deaths in Chicago, Cleveland, Atlanta. So to
Speaker 6: be kind of a part of those programs, I was
Speaker 6: super honored to.
Speaker 2: Be talking about that awesome stuff. Tom. We're not doing much,
Speaker 2: are we We're just calling football games.
Speaker 1: I mean, Bernie's Bernie's changing lives and changing his own
Speaker 1: so tip of the cap Tom said it best.
Speaker 4: But I just so impressed, Bernie.
Speaker 3: I admire you so much for everything that you're doing,
Speaker 3: what you have accomplished, and where you're going.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you guys, bro You've always been great friends
Speaker 6: and you know what for guys like for the again
Speaker 6: this trilogy, the Threesome on here to you guys who
Speaker 6: have seen this journey and specifically because you know all
Speaker 6: the Browns Bears preseason games, there's all the charity events
Speaker 6: we've done, so to kind of see the evolution of
Speaker 6: this and to kind of be disciples to no friends
Speaker 6: of ours that are out there. But maybe you're struggling that,
Speaker 6: maybe we're aren't comfortable talking about it or don't know
Speaker 6: that there's some some decently easy options out there to
Speaker 6: get out and be able to get back out, incide
Speaker 6: and be productive, happy and contely present. It's kind of
Speaker 6: my mission right now to kind of help out help
Speaker 6: out our friends in society.
Speaker 1: With that, Brothers, keep going, keep grinding, My friend, good
Speaker 1: to talk to you.
Speaker 2: It should be a.
Speaker 1: Fun game along the lake front at Lake Erie at
Speaker 1: First Energy Stadium. The Cleveland Browns and the Chicago Bears
Speaker 1: on Sunday, we'll have it for you, starting with a
Speaker 1: noon kickoff from Cleveland Chicago time. Of course, Bernie, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us, buddy, Thank you all right, Tom, what's
Speaker 1: your big takeaway?
Speaker 3: Me and Bernie could have been teammates at one point, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because when I went down to the Miami Dolphins, it
Speaker 3: was between Bernie Cozar and Steve de Berg and they
Speaker 3: ended up signing Steve de Berg and Bernie went to
Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys. However, my main take is is we've
Speaker 3: known Bernie for a long time and he's always been
Speaker 3: a type of peculiar guy because he doesn't have the
Speaker 3: standard quarterback throwing looker style. He's got that awkward approach
Speaker 3: and awkward delivery. But he's a super intelligent guy that's
Speaker 3: had a lot of success in college in the NFL,
Speaker 3: and then he had some difficulties after football and you
Speaker 3: didn't know where he was going with this. Then he's
Speaker 3: been able to kind of not only with help, but
Speaker 3: with the process and the help of a lot of
Speaker 3: other people that he's surrounded himself by. And I've seen
Speaker 3: a better Bernie Cozar. We talked to a Bernie, a
Speaker 3: better Bernie Cozar today than we have in quite a while,
Speaker 3: So I couldn't be more happy for him. I'm super
Speaker 3: encouraged in the direction he's going, And when we got
Speaker 3: off of the zoom call, I felt really good for
Speaker 3: him and a lot of other players that maybe he
Speaker 3: can touch and put them in a positive direction rather
Speaker 3: than having a woes me approach to it all.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, he's a new man right now. I
Speaker 1: does a lot of motivational speaking and the seminars and
Speaker 1: all sorts of good stuff, and he's he's living what
Speaker 1: he's selling to to folks about their health, and not
Speaker 1: just the average Joe, but fellow NFL players from the
Speaker 1: past and the present and seemingly for the future as well.
Speaker 1: So great stuff from Bernie Costar. Always enjoyed his conversations.
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Speaker 1: about the fact that in the Minnesota Vikings three nothing win,
Speaker 1: their linebacker Ivan Page Junior was the NFC Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Week and not Brisker for his seventeen tackle performance. Now,
Speaker 1: he had an interception and Brisker almost had an interception,
Speaker 1: but a three nothing game, and that's that gets you
Speaker 1: the NFC Defensive Player of the Week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was a shutout, and I think that's
Speaker 3: what they're looking at. He had a good performance against
Speaker 3: the Bears the week before, and so he came up
Speaker 3: and he had another another performance. But yeah, you know what,
Speaker 3: Jakwan Brisker, it's almost like Justin Fields. These guys haven't
Speaker 3: earned the respect that the deserve around the league. Yet
Speaker 3: in the bigger games that Jakwan Brisker has, the more
Speaker 3: notoriety I'll receive. And it's just like Justin or Jakwan
Speaker 3: Brisker sticking up for Justin. It's the same thing with me.
Speaker 3: I think he's the most disrespected quarterback by officials in
Speaker 3: the league, and I think that he deserves to be
Speaker 3: watched over.
Speaker 4: Not in a way that they're.
Speaker 3: Doing too many things. It's just that he's an athlete
Speaker 3: that runs with the ball and he deserves the protection
Speaker 3: that everybody else is getting.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Like he says, he goes to the officials before every game.
Speaker 1: He says, listen, I'm not trying to get hit. I'm
Speaker 1: going to give myself up. And he's been doing it.
Speaker 1: He's sliding tremendously well early in his career, didn't do
Speaker 1: that as well. But he's given himself up and they're
Speaker 1: still whacking him.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 3: Listen in the Detroit game in Detroit. At this game
Speaker 3: this past week, he's gotten hit multiple times and there's
Speaker 3: now one time that only needs one flag to come
Speaker 3: out for the put the other team on notice. It's
Speaker 3: ridiculous that he hasn't does I don't know if he's
Speaker 3: you know, I think he's gotten one flag this year,
Speaker 3: but he's got he hasn't gotten what he deserves.
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Speaker 1: Tom The NFL has had their owners meeting that they
Speaker 1: have several throughout the course of the year. They are
Speaker 1: doubling the number of games in Europe and in South America,
Speaker 1: and the first time next year it'll be in South Pelo, Brazil.
Speaker 1: What are your what are your impressions?
Speaker 3: You know me, Jeff, I know, I like I like
Speaker 3: the games to be played in the United States too.
Speaker 3: I like that the fact that you know, you you health,
Speaker 3: the economy in the cities that they're being played in here.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how much it builds the brand of
Speaker 3: the NFL when you go to these other, you know,
Speaker 3: exotic locations, but uh, you know, I got nothing to
Speaker 3: say it. And wherever the Bears play, I'll be on
Speaker 3: the charter and I'll see you there.
Speaker 2: Yes, you better be.
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Speaker 1: I sat down earlier on Wednesday with Montees Sweat for
Speaker 1: the first time. First time I met him, Piers. That
Speaker 1: handshake is something else. What a delightful guy though he
Speaker 1: means business and I'm excited he's a Chicago Bear. He
Speaker 1: it's the first time, you know, when you think about it,
Speaker 1: this is really it was four guys over there in
Speaker 1: Washington that we're regarded as really good defensive linemen. Here,
Speaker 1: it's a different it's a different label right now because
Speaker 1: of the big contract and all that business. But he
Speaker 1: has made an instant impact. The multiplier thing we keep
Speaker 1: talking about, and it's it's something we're going to be
Speaker 1: looking for from him for years to come, right, you.
Speaker 3: Know, listen you see some of those That one tackle
Speaker 3: that he had in the game this past week where
Speaker 3: he had a handful of jersey, I think it was
Speaker 3: Dave Montgomery and he kind of brought him to a
Speaker 3: stop where the other teammates can. That shows you're right
Speaker 3: there that he's got incredible strengths about him. And when
Speaker 3: you bring in a guy like minta sweat and you
Speaker 3: immediately sign him to that type of contract. Obviously, management,
Speaker 3: the front office, the scouting department, the coaches, they have
Speaker 3: big you know, they think that he's going to do
Speaker 3: big things here. And I hope as Bears fans that
Speaker 3: we hope we see the next coming of the great
Speaker 3: pass rusher in Chicago Bear history.
Speaker 1: And one last thing, quarterbacks. Justin Herbert now out easton
Speaker 1: Stick is quarterback. The players of the week in the
Speaker 1: NFL were both from the city of New York, Tommy
Speaker 1: DeVito and Zach Wilson. We got Joe Flaco at thirty
Speaker 1: eight quarter back, and we had Tyson baiging and undrafted
Speaker 1: quarterback in for four games. They're all they're dotting the landscape.
Speaker 1: Minnesota going to Mullins now Nick Mullins at quarterback. This
Speaker 1: has been something this year. I don't recall unless I'm forgetting.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's happened before. But you know, we're so
Speaker 3: involved with the NFL and the teams that were that
Speaker 3: we broadcast for and the teams that we broadcast against.
Speaker 3: You know, Kyler Murray didn't start the Arizona season. That
Speaker 3: was Joshua Dobbs. So I mean, listen, that's part of football.
Speaker 3: You know, it's only because we talk about quarterbacks because
Speaker 3: it's the most high profile position there is. But if
Speaker 3: you go around the league and start talking about offensive
Speaker 3: linemen that are now playing that you've never heard of before,
Speaker 3: that's equally as you know, important part of a football
Speaker 3: team as any position, not as important as the quarterback. However,
Speaker 3: when you talk about who's playing and who's not playing,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's amazing to think about just you know,
Speaker 3: football and the process of injuries and how it factors
Speaker 3: and affects every team.
Speaker 2: Browning for the Bengals tearing it up. Yeah, yep, you
Speaker 2: know you mentioned offensive linemen. We'll leave on this.
Speaker 1: Albert Breer from Sports Illustrated suggesting that we have an
Speaker 1: offensive line problem. There's not enough of them, and they're
Speaker 1: getting hurt. And the impact is the quarterbacks are getting hurt.
Speaker 1: That's the implication. So he wrote about it this past week.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the sport. I don't know what's the answer.
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to find. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: That's that's it's a one word sentence and that has
Speaker 3: your now and near verb and everything that involved in it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you could take clay and mold it
Speaker 1: into something really well, right if you teach him the
Speaker 1: right technique in front of meents yep. So we'll leave
Speaker 1: it at that big time. We don't want to get
Speaker 1: ourselves out in deep here.
Speaker 3: Our next listen, I'm open for debate. Anytime you want
Speaker 3: to debate it. Let's get it. Let's get some film
Speaker 3: on a chalkboard and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: Our next Bears et Cetera podcast drops Tuesday. We put
Speaker 1: a wrap on week fifteen the game against the Browns,
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