1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B. Wilson and I'm 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: Holly Frye. We add our quarterly installment of Unearthed this week. 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: We did beginning with just an incredibly long introduction on 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: my part, because who knows this could be the last Unearthed, 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: saying yeah, yeah, great. Obviously, I want to reiterate again 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: that is not everything that is happening in the world. 8 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: I know, it's not everything that's happening in the world. 9 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: I feel like the one of the things that has 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: happened in Internet culture that I really hate is the 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: thing that has started to be summed up as the 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: oh so you hate waffles discourse. Yeah where this is from. 13 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: I think back when it was Twitter, someone's Twitter tweets 14 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: in which they talked about people saying I like pancakes 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: and the response in places like Twitter being oh so 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: you hate waffles. And sometimes it feels like there is 17 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: a jump to if you don't specifically mention something an 18 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: assumption that you don't know or care about it, or 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: if you say that you like something an assumption that 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: you hate some something else, or in this case, if 21 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: you list off a ton of things that are affecting 22 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: your work directly, an assumption that you don't know or 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: care about all of the other things also concurrently happening. Yes, 24 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: that's that's not the case. This happened to quite recently 25 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: on the internet. Oh yeah, do you want to have 26 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: detailor just yeah, just how it's going? Yeah, I mean minor. 27 00:01:54,600 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm unconcerned with that particular iteration. Yeah, that just made 28 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: it an incredibly weird time to be working on this. 29 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: This has been a weird time to be working on 30 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: this podcast. Like ye acknowledge that before, Like in the 31 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: early weeks of the COVID nineteen pandemic, we talked about 32 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: how incredibly bizarre it was to be working on something 33 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: while clearly living through like a historic moment. This is 34 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: clearly also a historic moment. I am not enjoying it. No, 35 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to finish my work a few minutes early 36 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: today so that I can get on a train and 37 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: go to a protest. It feels like every time I 38 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: turn around there's yet another thing, and a lot of 39 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: it is incredibly disruptive, not just to our work, but 40 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: also to our work. So I had a very difficult 41 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: time focusing on putting these Unearthed episodes together. And then 42 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: I also felt like in some ways it was weirdly 43 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: conspiring against me to try to work on Unearthed. Like 44 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: we mentioned that we have comparatively fewer than normal shipwrecks, 45 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: Well there's only three in this in this episode, which 46 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: is like not many compared to a lot of our 47 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: Unearthed discussions. I had a whole lot more than three 48 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: bookmarks about shipwrecks, but they turned out to all be 49 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: about the same three things, right, But they were like 50 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: written or framed or headlined in a way that they 51 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: did not sound like all of the same three things. 52 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: And so it was as I was writing up the 53 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: shipwreck part that I was slowly winnowing down the number 54 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: of links to only be the ones that were the 55 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: same three things. And I was like, do we really 56 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: only have three right now? That's weird. We found all 57 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: the ships? No more, there's none, none left to look at, 58 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: no more ship out there. I really did not realize 59 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: that the stuff that everybody was talking about regarding Jack 60 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: the Ripper seems to have traced back to something that 61 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: was published in twenty nineteen something. Elderly, Yeah, yeah, I did. 62 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: And here's how this came out in my life. Okay, 63 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: So I have a friend who has long had like 64 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: a pet project that they're working on that involves a 65 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: fictional interpretation of the Jack the Ripper story and they 66 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: have you know, done a ton of research and they're 67 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: always you know, working with the latest of to date. 68 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: And they messaged me and they were like, I don't 69 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: believe this person did it. I'm so mad. And I 70 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: was like, my darling, please look at the date. It's fine, Like, 71 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: it's fine, Yeah, don't sweat it. This changes nothing from yesterday, 72 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: I promise you. Yeah, the various articles had just expressed 73 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: it so confidently. Yeah, I was like, I was like, 74 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: number one, I'm pretty sure that other sources are gonna 75 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: not be so confident about it. That was not surprising 76 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: to me at all. But yeah, I just I was 77 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: unaware that this was really something about research that had 78 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: been done years ago. Similarly, I was really into the 79 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: research into how many of the medieval illuminated manuscripts were 80 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: created by women scribes. Yeah. I love those manuscripts, and 81 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, I like when it has come up on 82 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: the show that you know, various ones that have been 83 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: created by women or you know, by a religious order 84 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: that was a women's religious order. So I thought the 85 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: research to try to sort of quantify, like what was 86 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: the contribution of women here and something that is stereotypically 87 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: thought of as like like there are even illustrations of 88 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: the monks with their tonsures over or the thing drawing 89 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: on them. So like the idea of like, let's quantify 90 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: just what was women's contribution here. Some of the headlines 91 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: about that research made it sound like it was really 92 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: women all along, and I was like, Okay, now it's 93 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: still a small percentage overall that were created by women. 94 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: It's not nothing. It's still important. But this did not 95 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: fundamentally rewrite our understanding of illuminated manuscript production, although it 96 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: gave me a great idea for a story. Oh yeah, yeah, 97 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: I want to do a fictional a movie that all 98 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: of the very charming times we have seen illustrations of 99 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: cats in illuminated manuscripts does seem odd and slightly out 100 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: of place. Are a secret code among the women illustrators 101 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: that are all communicating to one another like this is 102 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: my work, this is my work, this is my work. 103 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: It's their whisper campaign of kitties. They're the original cat ladies. Yeah, yeah, 104 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: that is my fanciful Blogoney. Please don't anybody take any 105 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: of that as informed information. Mary Robinett khol who has 106 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: been on the show before, has suggested some of the 107 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: topics we have covered on the show, has a short 108 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: story that is set in a world in which the 109 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: giant snails that you see in illuminated manuscripts are real 110 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: things that people have to contend with. Oh, it's slight story. 111 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit here. I'm going to Google to see 112 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 1: if I can google the name of it. Mary Robinet 113 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: Khalal snail story Marginalia was published an Uncanny magazine. If 114 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: you want to go look that up again. Marginalia by 115 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: Mary Robinett Khlole. I would like to thank Google for 116 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: actually delivering a great result to me with what I 117 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: put in. Mary Robinett Kohlal snail story. One of the 118 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: weird rabbit hole isn't the right word. The thing that 119 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: we talked about that was about the tent, the real 120 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: tent probably depicted in a fresco in Italy. The news 121 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: releases about that research kept describing it as an Islamic 122 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: tent and I got very tangled up in whether that 123 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: is correct terminology, Like, definitely, this is a tent from 124 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: the Islamic world, but like, did this tent have an 125 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: Islamic religious purpose? Right? And that I did not really 126 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of. But boy, did I spend 127 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: just an inordinate amount of time thinking about whether that 128 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: was the way that made sense to describe that, because 129 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: I immediately was like, how exactly was the tent Islamic? Right? 130 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember if I had anything else from 131 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: our unearthed things that I really wanted to talk about 132 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: in our behind the scenes today. I have two things, 133 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: Oh tell me so. One is the Luxury Bathing Complex. Yeah, 134 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: because it's you know, we talked about in the thing 135 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: that it is off of a banquet hall, and I 136 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: just had that moment of Hey, you guys, you want 137 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: to come under my house and dinner and take a 138 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: bath with me? Yeah? How weird that is to me culturally? Yeah, 139 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean I'm not even like a spa person, Like, 140 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't the idea of it's going to be a 141 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: very luxurious night at so and so's house, We're all 142 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: going to have a spa together, And I'm like ending 143 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: in a cold place. It's a hard pass no thank you. 144 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: I am a small, a spa person, So the general 145 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: idea of that did not seem that strange to me. However, 146 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: the fact that, like the banquet hall is connected to 147 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: the changing rooms, and at least I don't recall there 148 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: being it did not seem like there was a sense 149 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: of privacy in the changing rooms. It seemed more like 150 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: it was like a room with benches and like a 151 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: big locker room like. Yeah. And I was sort of 152 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: reminded of on our trip to Iceland last year when 153 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: we went to Blue Lagoon. Yeah. And the way it 154 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: works at Blue Lagoon, or the at least the way 155 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: it works when we were there, is that you are 156 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: given your towel, like you have to go and wash 157 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: your body before you get in the water. Yeah, And 158 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: you are not given a towel or a rope unless 159 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: you have paid extra for a robe, Like you don't 160 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: have a towel or a robe or whatever. So there 161 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: are just periods of time that you need to be naked. Yeah. 162 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: I was not prepared to just be naked around the 163 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: people who were on the trip with them. Yeah, it 164 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: was a little weird, and I was you know, I 165 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: had a moment where I felt kind of hung up 166 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: on it, and then I was like, we're all gonna 167 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: be naked. Yeah, exactly. Listen, I'm practically a never nude right, Like, yeah, 168 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: me and Tobias get each other. I never take My 169 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: feet are never uncovered, my body is never I don't 170 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: want to touch the outside world with my person, right 171 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: even Like having been to massage school and having practiced 172 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: as a licensed massage therapist for several years, like I 173 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: just I got very accustomed to nudity and bodies, but 174 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: at the same time, we also took a lot of 175 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: care to make sure that the parts of people's bodies 176 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: that we think of as private were covered, right, and 177 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: so like there was just there was not a lot 178 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: of walking around completely unclothed in front of other people. 179 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: That part is actually not so bad for me. Yeah, 180 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: Like the idea of modesty and nudity in front of 181 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: other people. I credit this to when I was much 182 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: much younger and I danced ballet, and I danced kind 183 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: of as a junior member of a ballet company for 184 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, and like you just got to change backstage, 185 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: and sometimes everything is coming off down to like tights 186 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: or sometimes to nothing before you can whip it back 187 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: on and go back on stage. And so I was 188 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: a little inured to that. I just as I've gotten older. 189 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm Howard hughesing out or what, 190 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: but I don't want anything touch I don't want to 191 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: be exposed. Yeah, it's less of like a yeah, A 192 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: part of it is just like I don't I don't 193 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: want to accidentally be upbraided by anything. I don't want 194 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: any discomfort to surprise or sneak attack me in any way. Yeah, 195 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: when I was in high school and I did drum corps, 196 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: I got very used to just like being in the 197 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: locker room changing clothes in front of other people. But 198 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: that was still sort of a like that was a 199 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: group of people that I was used to being around 200 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: in those contexts, right, Not so much the people who 201 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: were on the trip with us also not so much. 202 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: If I were invited to a nice dinner at a 203 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: politician's house and then everybody else from the political dinner 204 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: is going to go, I would, in my modern sensibilities, 205 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: be kind of like, ah, I gotta think about the 206 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: fact that now we've all seen each other naked. Well, 207 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: I also am like, the last thing I want to 208 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: see or be around after a rich meal is the 209 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: naked bodies of all those people who have eaten that 210 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: rich meal. That's just not for me, makes sense? I 211 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: sound so hung up? Yeah, that one just got me. 212 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: I had another big thought though, which might have more levity, 213 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: or maybe that had levity, okay, ogle painting. Yeah, the 214 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: idea of like, it's not clear how the theft happened. No, 215 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: of course not. But having done an entire season of 216 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: Criminalia about art thefts, uh huh, it's shocking how many 217 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: famous art thefts literally constituted. I just took it off 218 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: the wall and walked out, right, I'm like, I can 219 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: tell you how it probably happened, youoin, like somebody just 220 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: walked out with it and covered a magazine print out. Yeah, 221 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: this also is one of those things that gives me 222 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: hope from another story that was in that particular season. 223 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: Have we talked about this? Do you know that there 224 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: was for a while a salad an original Salvador Dali 225 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: on display at Rikers Island. No, he did this piece 226 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: of art for the incarcerated men there because he was 227 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: supposed to go and give a talk to an art 228 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: program that they doing, and he was sick that day, 229 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: so instead he made a quick piece of art, which 230 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: was an interesting choice. It's like a crucifixion piece, and 231 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: sent it to Rikers with you know, his compliments to 232 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: the people who were part of that program. And it, 233 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: for a long time was displayed in the mess hall 234 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: over the trash can, so it got splattered with stuff, 235 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: and then it got put in storage, and then someone realized, 236 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: we have an original DOLLI. We should put it on 237 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: display in the admin building, and they did, and then 238 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: it got stolen by three of the guards. Okay, it 239 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: has never been recovered. They may have destroyed it, and 240 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: that breaks my heart because like, yeah, but then we 241 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: have stories like this, and I'm like, maybe maybe they 242 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: palmed it off to some dude and he's got it, 243 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: and one day we will find it accidentally on loan 244 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: from a private collector to use, or somebody's heirs will 245 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: be cleaning out their estate. I hope, I hope. There 246 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: are several pieces that you know, have never been recovered, 247 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: and we hope and hope. But this reminded me a 248 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: little of the DOLLI. For some reason, there's been sort 249 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: of speculation on and off about whether the painting's stolen 250 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: from the Isabella Stuart Gardner Museum still exists or not. 251 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: Did we talk about I haven't seen any updates. Several 252 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: weeks before we are recording this conversation, there was some 253 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: video that was all over social media of an art 254 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: exhibit in I think it was in Soho in New 255 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: York that was allegedly like authorities walking into the art 256 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: exhibit and taking a painting off the wall because it 257 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: was Christ on the Sea of Galilee. It was that 258 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: painting from the Isabella Stuart Gardner Museum. But the thing 259 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: is everyone was like, is this a piece of perform's art? 260 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: About that theft? Is this really something happening at this gallery? 261 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: Galleries wouldn't show a piece of art that they knew 262 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: was famous and stolen it. I'm like, yes, they would, 263 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: but but I never saw a follow up on it, 264 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: and I haven't dug around, and I didn't know if 265 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: you had seen that. I did not. I somehow missed 266 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: all of this. Let me see if I can look 267 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: for it really quick. As as I said, I was 268 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: struggling with focus while working on this, so it would 269 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: not surprise me if there were a big thing that 270 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: should have wound up in the episode that did not well. 271 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the fact that you didn't see 272 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: anything of it makes it seem like that might have 273 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: been a hoaxy hoax hoax. Okay, Hold on, NBC has 274 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: a thing. NBC Boston says the date on it, this 275 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: was just from the the Thing March seventeenth, So it's 276 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: literally in reference to that. Okay, but nobody seems to 277 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: think that's really what happened. The video, it's a marketing video. 278 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: The video I'm quoting from NBC Boston quote. The video, 279 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: which depicts FBI agents confiscating the stolen Rembrandt masterpiece from 280 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: an art gallery in New York City, is part of 281 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: the marketing strategy for Eric Aronson's new movie any Day Now. Ah, Okay, 282 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: that's what's up. Well, all right then, somehow that's local 283 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: to you, theater od I do miss living in Summerville. 284 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: I got priced out of that place when we were 285 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: ready to buy a house. Yeah, but I'm still there regularly, 286 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: and I still have friends who live there. All of 287 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: them are renting. I think nobody who's the house in Summerville. 288 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: Everyone's all furious about a Fulbright scholar basically being snatched 289 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: off the street. Yeah, of course over I have read 290 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: the op ed that she co wrote. I found it 291 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: to be not even that radical. I'm not saying that 292 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: people should be disappeared for radical speech at all, but 293 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: I found the op ed to be a pretty even 294 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: handed criticism of the Tough's administration's response to resolutions passed 295 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: by the Student Senate related to Israel and Gaza. And 296 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: as I understand it, like the Student Senate debated over 297 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: these things throughout the night before voting on them, and 298 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: the op ed was basically like, to have gotten this, really, 299 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, flat dismissal from the administration almost immediately does 300 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: not seem like you actually listened to what the students 301 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: were saying. And while graduate students were not part of this, 302 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: we're still part of this university. It did not to 303 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: me say anything that would be cause, in any circumstance 304 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: for six plain clothed officers to be snatching somebody off 305 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: the street. Yeah. The only circumstance I can think of 306 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: that that might be appropriate would be someone making active 307 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: threats of violence and a need to take that person 308 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: into custody. Right now, which is not what was happening 309 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: in any way. Right. So, anyway, my entire friend community 310 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: is outraged and heartbroken. That's how we're all feeling right now. Yeah, 311 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: not just for that reason, but that's one of the reasons. 312 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: So you're saying you hate waffles, I don't. Actually you're 313 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: gonna say, I don't actually like waffles. I was trying 314 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: to think of something funny to append to that, and 315 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: I just I didn't. I didn't. The only waffle maker 316 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: we have in our household currently is a little mini 317 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: waffle maker, and that's time I make eggs in the morning. Yeah, 318 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: I have so many waffle makers. Yeah, it does mean 319 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 1: when sometimes Patrick wants to make waffles, there's a lengthy 320 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: waffle making process because of our one little mini waffle 321 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: My gosh, I have so many. I have so many, 322 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: it's silly. I love a novelty waffle maker I got. 323 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: I got my Grogu ones, I got a million Star 324 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: Wars ones, I got Halloween ones, I got hanted Mansion ones. Yeah. 325 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: I think I finally re homed my Hello Kitty one 326 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: that I had for a long time. I love a 327 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: waffle maker. I'm gonna tell you BB eight is maybe 328 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: my favorite, very exciting. Yeah. So I can make all 329 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: the waffles of all the shapes in size, but I 330 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: usually make savory ones, not sweet ones. Yeah, waffles is 331 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: definitely a more fun way to close out this little 332 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, I will just say we're recording this 333 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: on April the first. It's gonna be two solid weeks 334 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: before these episodes come out. Who even knows what is 335 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: happening in those two weeks, Oh, there's literally no telling. Yeah. So, 336 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: whatever's happening on your weekend? Boy, do I just have 337 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: thoughts of peace and love, especially for anybody who is 338 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: struggling with anything. The list of people who are struggling 339 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: with things just increasing for me every day. So I 340 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: hope what's happening on your weekend can have a moment 341 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: of like rest. You gotta take a moment of rest 342 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: sometimes to keep yourself going. We will be back with 343 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: a Saturday Classic tomorrow. I think I've lined up a 344 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: couple of Saturday Classics that are related to things that 345 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: came up today. We will have a brand new episode 346 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: on Monday. Stuff you Missed in History Class is a 347 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 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