WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Disappearance of Sneha Philip 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:17.000 Thinking Sideways. I don't know stories of things. We simply 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:22.280 don't know the answer to. Hello and welcome to Thinking 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:28.720 Sideways the podcast. I am Steve, as always joined by Joe, 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:33.040 and this week we are bringing you yet another mystery. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.840 Well it's kind of what we do. It's super creepy mystery. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:41.880 I wouldn't say creepy weird. It's a little weird, unlike 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.120 the kind of mysteries we usually do, which are totally 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.080 normal all the time. Yeah. Yeah, nothing to see here, 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.480 nothing to see here, move along please all right, Well, 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.840 today's story is about the disappearance of snee Huff Philip 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:01.600 and it was suggested by Linley on Facebook excellently when 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.560 this was initially suggested, it's a it's a really intriguing 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.959 story and really interesting. But I was initially hesitant to 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.399 to cover this story. Yeah, I mean, we had a 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.959 conversation as a team and I I actually had a 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.600 quite a long conversation with the folks on the Facebook group. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.280 They they talked to me about it, and eventually they 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.480 convinced me that it was okay to go ahead and 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:31.160 cover it. About nine eleven issues, Well, yeah, that's exactly 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.280 it is. Because this story does deal with nine eleven, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.959 and it's considered one of the you know, one of 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:41.920 the greatest tragedies or attacks in this country. Yes, you know, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.080 it's it's something that is still sensitive fourteen years later. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.760 So I'm going to preface the story by saying that 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.440 what we're going to talk about deals with nine eleven, 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.400 and it's it's pretty evolved in the events of September eleven, 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.520 two thousand one. We're not going to talk talk about 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.920 that as much. It's just bits of the story that 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.960 are going to touch on it. So if you're sensitive 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.040 about it for whatever reason, be aware of that. I 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.919 don't think our listeners are really all that sensitive, So 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.200 I think it's going to be it's there are people 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.280 who were involved that it is still a painful topic 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.079 to deal with, and so I just want to put 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.800 that out there. So let's let's go ahead and let's 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.120 start talking about our story. We're going to talk about 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:31.200 Sneah Philip Stee was born in nine in India, and 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.079 then with her family she moved to the United States. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:40.160 She wanted to study medicine, and so she decided to 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.320 go to the Chicago School of Medicine and she started 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:47.400 there While she was there, she met a young man 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:52.280 named Ron Lieberman. She would eventually marry him five years later. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.440 After they graduated, both of them land that he was 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.240 also a school a student at that same schools. He 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.840 was dreaming to be a doctors wanted to go into medicine. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:08.799 They landed internships both in New York City. Ron had 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:13.240 his internship at the Jacoby Medical Center in the Bronx. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:19.040 Snee Hawk got hers at the Cabrini Medical Center. So 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.040 they they're going to be doctors. They've got They moved 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.919 to New York. They get an apartment. All is well 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:26.840 and good. It sounds like they had a cool apartment 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.920 to right down the battery. Yeah, pretty sweet. Yeah, I 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.120 know it was. It's a great neighborhood. I did a 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:34.520 little I pulled the Joe, I did a little bit 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.560 of cruising around Google Maps. I know he's rubbing off 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.680 on us. So we're gonna go ahead and we're gonna 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:47.160 start our story. On the afternoon of September two thousand 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:51.600 and one, one left four work on that afternoon and 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:56.760 Sneehaw she had the day off, So according to what's available, 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.200 she was in the apartment for most of the day, 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.920 she had a conversation with her mom online that lasted 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.520 for two hours. Like Skype or like chatting. It was 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:13.440 a messenger. It was a messenger conversation. Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah, 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.800 I think it was probably a o LL instant Messenger 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.920 Microsoft Messenger, since I forget what it would like in 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.440 those days. I don't know what it was like in 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.680 those days. I mean, I don't remember. I was. I 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.839 was a freshman, so I was kind of in the 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.960 thick of it, and I sometimes I forget. Just the 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.000 other day, I was thinking, Oh, what was the email 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.279 address I had before I had Gmail? Wasn't that long 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:41.200 ago that Gmail came into existence? Yes? It was. Well, 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.840 she so she has this, She has this two hour 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:48.599 conversation with her ally, and then she apparently decided to 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.599 go shopping. This is based on charges that are on 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.680 her husband's American Express card and security footage of her 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.600 which the security footage was found later. But she went 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:05.640 to a Century twenty one, which this particular store was 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.240 across the street from the World Trade Center. It's not 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.480 the movie theater, it's it's a it's a store. It's 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:19.280 it's a store. Because she she bought like bedding and shoes. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:24.080 I think she bought lingerie to like it's a full 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.680 one department store. I've never heard of Century twenty one 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.200 before this, but but yeah, so she she did all 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.440 of this, and based on the time stamp when she 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.280 paid for all of her purchases with the American Express, 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:41.320 she finished up around six o'clock in the afternoon. Ron 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:46.520 her husband, says that he got home that night around midnight. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.839 He'd had a long day at work. He gets home, 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:54.520 his wife's not there. But based on everything that I've 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:59.320 read from him, that wasn't totally out of the ordinary. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:04.279 She was known to go out and then decide to 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.760 stay with family members, brother or a cousin or somebody 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.480 is big. It's hard to get around sometimes. Yeah, and 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.760 you know I can go here that's ten blocks away 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.520 rather than the thirty fifty blocks I gotta go home. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:22.599 So it wasn't abnormal. And he has said that, well, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.000 I guess that. You know, he got home that night 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:26.640 and said, well, I guess that's something we got to 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.039 talk about again. Because the deal was between the pair 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:35.560 that she was supposed to call home and say, hey, 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.039 I'm staying away brother's house or I'm staying at so 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:39.960 and so's house. That makes sense to me. I think 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:45.200 that's fair. Yeah. Absolutely. Ron wakes up the next morning, September. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.240 His wife's still not home, but he's got an eight 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.880 o'clock meeting. So he gets up and I think it's 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.120 six or six thirty. He's got to take the subway 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.280 to get to work. It's like an hour commune or something, 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.760 so he's got to go. She's not home. He goes 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:06.000 to work. Well, if you know anything about September eleven, 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:11.760 as of eight forty six am Eastern Standard time, that's 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:16.600 when American Airlines Flight eleven flew into the North Tower 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.360 of the World Trade Center, And to put it lightly, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:25.040 that's when chaos ensued. I mean things, Yeah, things went 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:30.119 crazy after that. Ron he called sneak has several times 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.520 over the course of the day, but she never answers 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.920 home at the apartment or calling her cell phone. I 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:41.440 can't answer that, he doesn't say. I'm under the impression 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.200 that he was calling the house because she was supposed 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.080 to be at home, because she had both the tenth 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.440 and the eleventh off, so presumably he was expecting her 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.160 to have gone home. But I don't know that she 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:57.120 had a cell phone. Well, you know, she could have 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.440 been home, she could have had a cell phone. I 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.240 think the other thing to keep in mind is, because 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.080 it was September eleven, almost literally everybody in America was 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.760 calling almost literally anybody they knew in New York or 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:10.840 who might be in New York trying to get ahold 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.520 of them. Lines did get really clogged and did a 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.000 lot of calls just didn't go through. And if you know, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.640 their homeline, they didn't have an answering machine or whatever. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:22.680 He could have tried and tried and tried and not 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:27.800 realized that it wasn't connecting quite possibly, you know, or whatever. No, No, 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.880 that's that's a that's a very valid point. Well let's 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.560 see what So we're we're into the afternoon of September eleven. 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:39.280 He's at work that the hospital had been in huge 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.439 preparations for all of the wounded that we're going to 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:46.160 come in from the World Trade Center, which didn't actually happen. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:51.800 So he gets he takes off from work, and what 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.240 does he do. He goes to the hospital that she 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:59.080 works at, which was on Staten Island, right, Yes it was. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.840 And I'm guessing that his idea was that she must 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.240 have seen what was going on and said I got 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.720 to get to work, I've got to help. Yeah, a 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.960 lot of people did that in those professions. Absolutely, there's 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.080 an interesting not to you know, go too much into 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.360 the nine eleven situation. But you know Steve Bushemi the actor, 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:20.040 he was a firefighter before he was an actor. He 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.520 worked for the New York Fire Department. And he actually 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.960 like went back to his old fire station and geared 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:28.880 up and went in and was like saving people. That 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.520 was the thing everybody was doing, right Yea, even if 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.440 you had no training, you were they were jumping in 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.040 trying to help with Yeah, there's there were people running 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.760 and doing everything. Clearly reasonable for him to say, oh, 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.680 she's a caring person. She probably went to work because 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:46.199 she thought that it would be there, except she wasn't there. Okay, 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:50.600 So what he then decides, Okay, I'm going home, which 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.319 is the next logical course of action when you can't 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.680 find your wife and the city is literally in flames 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.800 and everything is going crazy. He I think what he 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:06.040 did is he he hopped a ride with an ambulance 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.560 that was heading towards the towers. Traffic was so bad. 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:13.640 I think it took him like six hours to get there. No, 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:18.000 he somehow managed. I think he burrowed or stole the 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.679 bike to get the last minute distance there. He gets 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:25.000 the apartment building, but he can't get in to the 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:29.080 building itself because the electricity is off and the automatic 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:34.240 locks on the door locked. So he's, you know, he's 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.880 trying to figure out what to do. He sees somebody 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:41.119 has a candle burning in a window, uses a flashlight, 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.640 gets their attention, gets that neighbor to open the window, 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.280 and shouts at him and says, can you go to 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:50.199 this apartment, knock on the doors or anybody home. That 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:54.240 person goes and nobody's there, comes back to the window 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.679 and says, nobody's there. At that point, Ron's got no choice. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.240 He's got to find somewhere else to stay, and so 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.440 he went and he stayed with a friend that night. 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.760 The next morning or the next day, he comes home. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.000 This is now the twelfth of September. He can get 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.920 into the building this time powers back on, So he 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.680 gets into the building. He goes to his apartment. He 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:23.280 walks in and nobody's there, And it's obvious that nobody's 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.240 been there because the windows had been left open, and 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:31.840 the apartment is full of soot, so it would be 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.160 very obvious somebody's home because there would be footprints. The 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.840 only footprints in the place are from their cats, two 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.440 little kittens who were obviously having a high old time 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.439 in the dust. Apparently they're probably a little hungry the 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:49.880 time he got home. Probably, so that is the end 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:54.640 of what we know officially about Sneeha. She was seen 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.480 on the tenth. As of the eleventh, nobody has seen her, 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.640 and as of the twelveth, we've got confirmation she's not whome. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:09.040 Probably goes without saying. Ron, her husband and her family, 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.920 they go nuts. They want to find her. They're putting 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.040 flyers up all over the city. I think they printed 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.119 five thousand flyers with her name and information and photos 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.360 on it. They're plastering those all over. But of course 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.520 those kind of flyers are all over at that time 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:33.080 because people are trying to find everybody that they can't locate. Yeah. 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:38.040 Ron then sees, wait, there's reporters everywhere. I'm gonna go 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.000 talk to the reporters and I'm going to get their 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.800 help to get this story out there, to find my wife. 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:48.680 Except he quickly discovers that the reporters are not interested 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.520 as soon as they find out that she went missing 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:56.280 on the tenth. So he's kind of frustrated, and he 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.680 gets a bright idea. He calls snee Hans brother John, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.320 and he says, hey, John talked to the reporters, but 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.880 don't tell him what day she went missing. As a 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.800 totally off topic aside, what kind of jerk parents are like, Okay, daughter, 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:15.840 we're going to name you. See you can beat John. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.240 she had a very traditional name. Come on, guy, I 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.080 don't know. I was wondering about that too. It's possible 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.000 that he was born in the US, he was younger 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:27.560 than her, and then possibly changed his name to John. Well, yeah, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.920 I don't know what their ages are relative to each other. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.480 I know she was born in India. He may have 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.760 been born in the States. It's hard to say. Or, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.839 as Joe said, he may have just gone by John. 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.199 But sorry this well yeah, I know. But but the 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:46.199 thing is, the plan didn't go according to plan, because 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:51.160 as soon as John got on camera, he took the 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.600 story even farther and told the reporters that on the 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.520 morning of the eleventh, he was on the phone with 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:03.440 his sister when American Airlines eleven hit the tower, the 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.200 North Tower, and she said, I've got to go, I've 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.120 got to help, which is what a doctor would do. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.360 And she hung up, and he said that was the 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.000 last time that he talked to her. Totally not true. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:21.560 A little bit of embellishment there, but understandable. Genuinely not true, right, genuinely, 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.880 not just kidding. Well, later on he admitted it was 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:30.440 not true. But it backfired so badly it blew up 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:35.280 in their faces. Because, of course, the New York Police 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:39.520 Department won't do anything. I mean, they're inundated with a 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.720 whole mass of work to take care of now, but 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.520 they won't look into it because he said she was 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.280 she went to the towers. At the time, Ron had 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:55.080 filed a missing person's report forcedney Haw. There were nine 0:14:55.520 --> 0:15:02.280 thousand missing person reports in New York after after everything happened, 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:06.120 one there was bad reporting in the police department. They 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:10.080 found out multiple people were listed multiple times, all this stuff, 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.840 and there was a few fraudulent cases of missing person reports, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.840 but they didn't do anything because they just presumed that 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.280 she was in the tower. Yeah, I mean, not only fraudulent, 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.120 but also, you know, you have all of those people 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.160 who freak out there, you know, in Oregon and their 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.920 daughters in New York City, and the towers collapsed, and 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.080 they couldn't get ahold of her the three times they 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.920 called on the exact day, within you know, two hours, 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.400 even though they heard that the phones were jammed and 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.160 she must be dead somewhere. So she's you know, and 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.360 it turns out she calls him an hour later and said, 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:44.720 my mom, Dad, I'm I'm fine, And they just don't 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.880 bother to call and get her taken off. Yeah, it's understandable. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.800 It's total panic. Oh god, yeah, I mean total panic mode. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.160 I get why people do it it, but unfortunately it 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.720 made things so much harder for the NYPD. Oh yeah, 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:02.400 the family they know or they they believe at this 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:07.600 point that Snea is not in the ruins of the 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:12.120 North Tower or the South Tower. The family went ahead 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:17.560 and they hired a private investigator to try and figure 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.840 out all of Sneeha's actions on that day. On the 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.520 day of the tenth, they hired a guy by the 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.760 name of Ken Gallant. He was formerly of the FBI, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.120 and he did he did a ton of legwork and 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.880 trying to find her, and he did. He found some 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.080 great stuff, but I was also a little surprised. He 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:44.480 recommended to the family who then flew this person in 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:50.600 from Pennsylvania a psychic, which question to me, it raised 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.640 a little bit of a red flag on him. But 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.000 but what he did find is he was able to 0:16:56.080 --> 0:17:00.720 track down video footage of her. There are are two 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.680 different pieces of video of her from that day after 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.760 she left the apartment, one of which, as we talked 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.200 about just briefly before, is the video of her century 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:15.359 twenty one where she's shopping shot when when she's on 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.400 the video she's in the coat section trying on different coats. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:23.359 There is also a video from the inside of the 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:28.480 apartment building's entry on the elevens not confirmed her right, 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.760 It is not confirmed her. What it is is the 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.760 sun is shining through the windows in the entry enough 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.800 that is bleaching out. According to what they what Gallant 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.600 and Ron are saying, to the point that they can't 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.920 get a lot of details. They see a woman. She's 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:51.359 got the same hairstyle, about the same build, appears to 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.679 be wearing kind of the same outfit, and has the 0:17:55.720 --> 0:18:00.439 same mannerisms as Sneak huh, but they can't confirm arm that. 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.959 But this person, this woman walks up to the elevator, 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.440 pushes the button, waits a minute, and then turns around 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.600 and walks out of the building. The time stamp on 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:17.400 that video roughly corresponds to when the North Tower was hit, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.400 So it's in a way it supports the idea that 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.800 she ran to the tower after everything happened. Yeah, except 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.240 it wasn't necessarily her because she wasn't carrying any bags 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.240 where she should have been carrying bags, So she she 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.320 still hadn't brought home all the stuff that she thought. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.639 That is true if she had come straight from the store, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:43.439 but we're talking well plus hours later, she might have 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:47.400 left them somewhere. I totally get where you're going with that, Joe, 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.240 Is that there's this piece where if she bought all 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:54.680 this stuff at Century one, where's it at? And this 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:59.160 person theoretically should be carrying those same articles that were 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.600 purchased thing. Well, unless you know, she was kind of 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.560 she was a young woman, right, she was in her twenties. 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.399 She was thirty one, I believe. Yeah, so you know, 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.640 you go out because she would have gone out right 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.159 if she had stayed at somebody's house. She probably was 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.679 out late. So you go out, you wake up next morning, 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.000 you're kind of hungover, and you just stay to your 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.560 brother or a friend who you see all the time. 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.200 You say, I'm gonna go home. You just I'll get 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.720 this stuff later from you next time I see you 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:28.800 or whatever. I'm just gonna walk home, try and clear 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.000 my mind or whatever. You make it back to your 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.960 apartment and you don't have bags. I mean, I think 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.679 that's totally reasonable. That's entirely plausible. Or maybe she was 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.480 buying it for a gift, or you know, there's a 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.720 lot of reasons she could not have that stuff. Yeah, 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.359 And as as far as her turning and leaving about 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.240 one that the plane hit the tower, it doesn't. That 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.360 also doesn't really point towards it being see how either, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:56.240 But anybody, anybody hearing that, yeah, enormous noise would go 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.679 outside to see what it was. Yes, And so if 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.520 she hears that a normal stoys and she goes outside, 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:05.280 she sees what, gets an idea what's going on. Based 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.399 on her training, we can presume that she would have 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.600 run to assist. It seems like though that the investigator 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:16.359 and Ron how large a apartment complex. Are we talking 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.720 like thousands of people? Hundreds of people? Do you know? 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.639 It seems like the sort of thing you would circulate 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.680 and say, hey, is this you to rule other people out? 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:30.000 Here's here's the odd bit. The odd bit is that 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:32.800 the p I did all of his work and he 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:37.640 gave a report to Ron. Ron won't release that report. 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.159 So this this this footage of this woman in the 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.480 entry I I can't nobody's seen it. You can't see 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.800 the video, you can't see stills from it because he's 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.640 kind of under lock and key. It's that's odd because 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.760 it's not like he owns it. He paid for it, 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.560 so he still doesn't own it. Well, he doesn't own 0:20:57.600 --> 0:20:59.720 the footage, but I'm sure that by the time all 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.000 this came out to the apartment building probably didn't have 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.720 the footage anymore. But again, this is another thing that 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.679 I'm going to call out as a red flag. This 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:15.440 stands out to me is a really odd bit of information. Yeah, 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:17.840 there there must have been something kind of bad in 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.160 that report. If he didn't want to release it would 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:24.160 lead me to think that, ye, let's let's keep moving 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:27.080 on down with the events were still moving kind of 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:31.200 a chronological order of what goes on with the story. Initially, 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:35.600 Snea was listed as one of the victims of the 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:39.320 World Trade Center collapse. There was, but because there was 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:44.320 no evidence to substantiate that in terms of nobody could 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.439 physically say they saw her go there and they didn't 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.399 find a body, she was removed from that list in 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.080 January of two thousand and four, and the law in 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:57.720 New York says that the date of a person's death 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.399 will be set at three is from the last time 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:05.720 they were seen alive when they go missing, which means 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.760 that officially, after she had been removed from the list, 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:14.960 her date of having died was September two thousand and four. 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.679 Ron appealed the decision. He tried to keep her on 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:24.280 the list, but there was another judge denied that appeal 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:29.840 in November of two thousand and five. That prevented him 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:34.240 from having access to the Victims Compensation Fund, which had 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.200 been set up to help people whose family members had 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:42.240 been killed, you know, for from a financial perspective. According 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:46.760 to to Ron, he wanted access to that fund because 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.600 he wanted to set up a memorial fund in his 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:53.520 wife's name. Here's the thing, She's a thirty one year 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.720 old woman who's going to be a doctor, very young, 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:02.000 high paid profession He stood together about three to four 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:05.879 million dollars. What the heck, I'd do it A happy 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:08.240 little chunk of money. That's a yeah, that's a that's 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:13.000 a sizeable bit of cash. Um. He never he never 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.240 got anything out of the victims compens or the Yeah, 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:20.600 victims Compensation fund in two thousand eight. A panel of 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:25.240 judges overturned the ruling in two thousand and five and 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:29.680 changed her official date of death back to September eleventh, 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.600 two thousand and one. But by that time, of course, 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:37.160 the fund had long since closed taking applications, so he 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:41.720 couldn't get anything from it. According to Ron, the money 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.760 didn't matter. What he wanted was his wife's name to 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:49.320 be recognized among the victims. So she is now officially 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:54.440 listed as one of the two thousand, seven hundred fifty 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:59.760 three people who died that day, not counting hijackers. This 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:06.440 is this is American citizens overly. Yeah. So so he 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:08.920 at least got her on that. There's an at the 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:13.960 memorial her name is listed. It's interesting that he said 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.160 that he just wanted her name on the list, even 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:18.800 though they got a private investigator and none of them 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:22.160 really believed that she was in the rebel Initially. I've 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.119 said it before and I'm gonna say it again. There's 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.240 a lot of flags in this story. Yeah, a lot 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:29.879 of things that I have to raise an eyebrow, and 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:31.960 I I have I had a listed home as I 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.800 was going through my research, like, wait, that didn't get 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.560 checked off? That didn't get checked off? This is circled 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:41.160 in red mark er. What's going on here? But we're 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.679 now going to take a bit of a turn in 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:48.640