WEBVTT - Smackdown/Collision/Slammiversary Recap 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.800 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:07.080 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.520 Live from San Francisco. I'm a sports byline broadcasting network. 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:19.880 You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with your hosts, 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.720 Brian Alvarez and Mike sempervv. 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:24.160 Right you ready? 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:25.320 Are you ready? 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:26.840 Let's get it off. 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:31.000 How's it going everybody? 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.640 Brian Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live. We are here 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.760 every day Monday through Friday, New Pacific three Eastern Sunday 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:42.680 three Pacific six Eastern Saturday Mornings with Jim Valley Toenday 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.960 Pacific one Eastern Sundays with andrews Arian. And it's Monday. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.480 It's Monday here on the show. You know that means 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:51.920 had a lot to talk about. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:53.560 We got a raw tonight. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.560 I gotta line up here somewhere, I'll find it, but 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:59.720 raw is tonight, so we'll talk about that. This past 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.240 week was very busy. We had SmackDown, we had Collision, 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.640 We had the TNA Slammiversary Show, which man did that 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.199 show have its highs and lows, and we'll talk about 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.119 all of those here today on the program. There's also 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.480 a lot of news. We got a lot of injury 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.959 updates on TNA and NXT talent. We got to get 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:24.959 in here today. The former Corra Jade is done with 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.560 wrestling for at least the rest of the year and 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.279 perhaps the foreseeable future. We'll talk about that Wrestle Dream. 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.080 You know, last year at wressel Dream, they did a 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.640 I don't want to say they killed the town, but 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.319 they certainly did a couple of finishes where people joked 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.000 that they killed the town, and I thought, well, you know, 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.039 I think I know where they're going next year in 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:45.520 this town. 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:47.800 I was wrong. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:53.080 Wrestle Dream not in the Seattle market this year. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:56.600 I guess that's that. 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.000 We'll tell you about that, as well as Brian Danielson's 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:04.600 return and what it means or more specifically, does not mean. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:06.320 At the pay per view. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:10.840 Goldberg talks about Gunther puts that guy over strong, and 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:12.680 we've got some g one notes. 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:14.320 The tournament has started. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:21.119 Hulk Hogan's Real American Wrestling has an outlet, a streaming. 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.880 Outlet for their their first show. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.160 We has got six hundred tickets out on a fifteen 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.200 thousand seed building and plenty more if you want to 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.560 Texas here Today four five seven eight zero seven five 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:35.799 sixty six at his FOURT two five seven eight zero 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.040 seven five sixty six, efford W Online at gmail dot com, 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.720 effort w Online, Threads, Instagram, and cameo at Brian Albarez 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:59.320 ex and Blue sky Back in a moment Observer Live. 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.040 Hey airline travelers, Let's say you have a problem and 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.280 you need to change or cancel an existing airline reservation. 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.440 What do you do well. 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Filthy 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.880 Tom Lawler is joining us and one of our friends 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.080 in the YouTube chat. Here says, I hope you're feeling 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:29.039 better today, Filthy. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:29.800 What's going on? 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:31.680 I have no clue. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.160 Oh you don't know what he's talking about? 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:33.400 Either. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.600 No, well, I hope you feel better too. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.479 Yes, all right, we got we got a lot to 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:40.320 talk about today. 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.360 You you watched Slammiversary. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.600 I did. I watched, I would most of it. I 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:48.839 don't know ninety of it. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.560 All right, Well, Slamiversary to me was very much like 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:58.800 my favorite show at XT Television, because you know, there's 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.600 never a dull moment. You know, if you watch SmackDown, 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.360 I mean there's like lots of dull moments, it's just one, 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.040 you know, reminded me. I was watching. I was watching 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.320 some you know, all this stuff comes up on your 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.640 Instagram feed or whatever, and I'm scrolling through and and uh, 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.600 you know this this bloke comes on and he's he's 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.760 talking about uh, he's talking about antidepressants or something, and 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:27.440 he goes, uh, he goes. You know, antidepressants, they they 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.320 stop you from having the deep lows, but they also 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.360 stop you from having the highs, so you're just kind 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:33.400 of in the middle all the time. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:34.880 And uh. 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:36.680 And then I watched his TENA pay per view and 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:40.120 I was like, no, that's not a TEENA pay per view, 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.600 it's SmackDown. SmackDown is just right in the middle all 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.720 the time. There's no highs, there's no lows. It's just 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.320 right in the middle. But my god, if you watch this, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:56.160 uh it's TENA pay per view or NXTTV, I mean, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.560 it's like watching wrestling in the nineties. You you never 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:06.760 know what's gonna happen. I saw an awesome match with 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:12.280 Moose and the new youngest ex Division champion of all time, 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.120 Leon Slater. Match was freaking great. Okay four and a 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:20.480 quarter four naf Star match moments earlier I saw. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:22.720 I don't know, I'd give it less because they spent 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.120 so much time outside the ring. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:24.840 No stop. 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:31.480 Indy Hartwell and Tessa Blanchard was like the worst match 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.839 that I have seen on pay per view since I 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:38.480 believe twenty nineteen when the Fiend and seth Rawlins had 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.880 a Hell and a Cell match that ended in a DQ. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.280 My friend, Yes, I listened to your show, Yes, Lance, 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:47.000 and you previewed this. 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.280 Match I did, and you saw ahead laid on. 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.640 Since Indy Hartwall has been back, I haven't seen anything 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.400 that bad. And I am sure I'm not the first 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.080 person to bring this up to you, but she had 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.160 a match with the former Alicia Fox not too long 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.640 ago on TNA that was horrific and if you would 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.920 have seen that match, you would have had different words 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:08.880 going into this match. 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:09.880 Okay, that that. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.040 That's true, but hold on a second. There is a 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:16.920 big difference between Alisha Fox and Tessa Blancherd. I didn't 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:21.199 think this match could possibly in any universe be as 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.679 bad as it was, Like if you do it, If 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:25.880 you would have told me Indy Hartwell and Alisha Fox 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.840 was bad, I'd have been like, yeah. 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:34.679 You know, I am yes, I can't even believe I'm 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.040 gonna say it, but I got I have to go 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.040 watch that entire match because what I saw was certainly 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.199 worse than it was worse than being Suzuki. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:47.040 Butter Bean and Suzuki. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.240 Yeah, I'd have to go back and watch that match again. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.520 I mean, I don't even think it's possible because, like 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.840 I'll just say this, as I was watching Butterbean and 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.520 Minor Suzuki. I was pretty confident the entire time. I've 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.200 never seen a worse match in my life. I never 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.520 thought that during Indie Heartwell and Tessa Blanchard. I did 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.800 repeatedly think this is by far the worst match I've 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.160 seen this year. And I had started thinking, like, how 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:13.360 long do I have to go back? 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:17.360 And I did. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.320 I did preface that by saying on pay per view 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.040 Butterbean and Minor Suzuki was worse than this match. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.240 I mean the Alicia Fox Indian match. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.959 All right, well, send me a link, brother, or tell 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.480 me what show it's on. I'll go watch it. I'll 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.400 go watch it. But anyway, yeah, there were ups and 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:35.959 downs on the show, and then we got the main event, 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.480 which I gotta make this clear because you know, and 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.640 even the guy on the board this morning was like, yeah, 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.760 you know I didn't write the post, right, you know, 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.240 he he he said, you know, I know you don't 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.760 want to lose your friendship with Lance, but how can 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:52.040 you defend that main event finish? 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:53.959 And let me make this clear. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.840 All I said was I think I see why they 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:02.199 did it. Okay, that's not defending it. And in that 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:06.440 review I used a lot of words I can't use 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:10.080 on this show when describing the finish of that match. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:15.760 That finish was atrocious, Like I couldn't believe my eyes. 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:17.440 I never would have done it. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.440 I can't believe that they did it. I think I 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.000 know why they did it, but that doesn't mean it 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.920 was good. It was Trick Williams, Joe Hendry and Mike Santana, 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.400 and like there was one finish. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:34.160 It's in New York. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.840 It's the biggest attendance they've ever had for a North 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:42.400 American show. It's Slammiversary. The only finish is Mike Santana 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:48.760 pins Trick Williams. They didn't do that. Instead, Trick faked 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.840 an injury, which killed the crowd because everybody knew something 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:57.439 bad was gonna happen. And in fact, Mike Santana hit 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.120 his finish on Joe Hendry and Trick Williams flew in 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:10.480 and stole the pin. What I think their plan is 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.120 is the same thing they did with Joe Hendry, which 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.480 is we don't have him to win the title in 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.120 like a three way. It should be like a one 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.600 on one. This is your one on one match here. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.719 This is exactly what they do with Joe Hendry. It's 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.360 probably gonna be Mike Santana and Trick at Bound for Glory, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.120 which is only three months away. I know that's impossible 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.960 to believe October three months away, but it is like, 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:37.000 I think that's what the plan is. But I cannot 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:41.040 believe the finish of this match. I can't believe it, 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:46.880 and worse, when it was over, like, yes, this was 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.959 a finish Vince would have booked. Vince McMahon, it is 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.800 worse he would have booked this finish. But even if 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:57.679 he would have booked that finish, they still would have 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.280 had like, oh my god, brought Glessner's in the impact 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.600 zone or oh my god, you know something to end 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.360 the show on an oh my God note to like 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:14.280 give you something. No, he stole the pin. The president 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.720 of TENA gave him the belt and they went off fear. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.080 I was like, oh my god, I couldn't believe it. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.160 That's what they did well. 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.400 I mean, I I think, based on what I heard 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.599 from the commentary team all night, I would imagine that 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:34.760 they're building towards some big payoff where TNA gets both 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.640 belts back at the same time, you know, build to 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.679 it a little bit longer term. Where Santana. I mean, 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.600 that's clearly what they're doing because all they talked to, 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:49.080 all Tom talked about on commentary repeatedly was both belts 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:53.079 in the hands of NXT wrestlers. He's yelling at Carlos 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.120 Silvia's yelling at anybody that he can, how despicable it was, 0:13:56.200 --> 0:14:00.560 how awful it was, and it's like, I mean, it's 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.240 getting more eyes under product, buddy, even if even in 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:04.480 k FABE sets. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.440 There they're trying to do the fake death writers. They're 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.760 trying to do Cody and Roman, they're trying to do 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.679 like an invasion where yes, you got to get a 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.640 bunch of heat and the other team has to win, win, win, win, win, and. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:17.400 Then you get it back. 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.800 But I mean, like, at the very least you should 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.560 have had something really cool to end the show, not 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.600 just stealing the pin in a three way and going 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:29.120 off the air. 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:30.360 That was horrible. 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.120 So anyway, I liked the show overall. I thought it 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.520 was a good show, but I was astounded by the 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:44.200 finish and how they went off the air. Astounded. What 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.160 did you think was the best match on the show? 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.120 What did you think of that ladder match? 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.920 I mean, I guess I would say Moose and Leon 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.160 Slater was the best match. I think the ladder match, 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.320 I mean it was it was what you would expect 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.119 from a ladder man. But I don't know about that finish. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:06.960 I mean, I guess it's a cool idea, but having 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.480 the I don't even know what Those ladders are made 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:09.800 out of. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.040 Rope. It's like a rope ladder. 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.640 The rope ladder dropped down from the ceiling. You can't 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.480 do any moves off of it. I don't know if 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.800 those rope ladders will make their way back. 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.960 What was more, it's also it's a TNA thing because, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.120 like the storyline is they ran out of ladders in 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.840 a ladder match they broke, which if you really think 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.720 about it, it's like, how incompetent do you have to 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.920 be to book a ladder match with like fifty guys 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:35.600 and not have enough ladders? 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:36.880 You know what I'm saying. 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.080 Oh, even on commentary they go, this is the most 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:40.960 TNA thing I've ever seen in my life. 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.000 That is what they said. 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.400 Yeah, yeah, they didn't see the main event yet, All right, 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.640 hold on, everybody back in the home with more Observer Live. 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.720 You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.480 and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:26.040 Listen, everyone's just in the chat, the YouTube chat. I know, 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:28.880 I know, I listen. I'll say it again. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:30.880 It was a horrible finish. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:36.480 Okay, it's a horrible main event finish. But if you're concerned, 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.360 like I keep hearing the same thing, you know, are 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.920 we still going to defend this WWE TNA thing? WWE 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:49.800 screwed him over. WWE's ruining TNA. Like, I'm not saying 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.480 that this is gonna work out the same way, but 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.240 this is the exact same thing that aw did with 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.880 the death writers. I heard the exact same thing about Moxley. 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:04.160 I heard, like over and over again, Moxley's main events. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.280 You know, they're they're boring. He beat the guy again. 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.320 I can't believe he beats Swerve on this show. Like 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.040 this sucks. We need to end it right now, Like 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.879 for months we heard this, but like there was an 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.880 endgame which was all in, which I thought was obvious 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.680 from the beginning, but like everybody wanted to just end. 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.280 Let's get it over with. We got to get this 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:31.639 belt off. Moxley and and you know everyone can like 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:33.199 you don't have to. I'm not saying like it. I 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.560 didn't like it either, but like the point is sometimes 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.960 you have to have patience. Like wrestling fans, they want 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:42.800 everything done now. I want the payoff now. Like, yeah, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.760 I know, this was like the biggest show that they 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.280 ever did. Okay, but like you don't think they want 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:52.800 Bound for Glory to be bigger. Like I know, I 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.400 get it, okay, but maybe it's not gonna work out 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:01.240 the same way. But when that when that Cody rose, 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:02.800 when he got pinned and they threw that chicken in 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.160 the ring that WrestleMania, I was in the second row. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.240 I was like, this is the worst finish I've ever 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:12.080 seen in my life, irredeemable. It's like it's horrible. And 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.440 in fact, they somehow, somehow, over the next year made 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:21.280 it work. Now I've said it before. They got lucky. Okay, 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.680 they got really lucky, because I would bet nine times 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.560 out of ten they would add a problem stretching that 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.760 out over another year. Okay, but they made it work, 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.840 all right. The same thing with the death Writers. You 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.880 all hated Moxley, You hated the death Writers, you hated 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.800 this run you hated everything about it. You wanted it 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.399 to end, okay, But you know why all In worked 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:44.000 with Hangman. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:46.239 It worked because of that. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.679 You had to have this death writers. You had to 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.959 have a guy like John Moxley, and you had to 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.159 build a guy like Hangman, and it worked. 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:56.760 It worked in the end. 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.919 It wouldn't have worked to end it earlier. So I 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.719 get it. I didn't like to finish either, But like, 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.720 there's a there's a method to this madness. And I'm 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.560 not even saying it's gonna work. It might not, but 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.159 there is a method to this, which is it's gonna happen, 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.199 but you need to wait. Like not everything needs to 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:18.439 be done right now. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.280 No, And it's clear that TNA's priority right now if 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.959 you listen to Carlos Silva talk is about getting a 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:33.080 TV deal. And when you go to investors, when you 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.800 go to TV companies and you say, hey, we just 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:41.160 sold eight thousand tickets in this NHL arena. We have 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:47.800 a partnership in place with TKO already. Those are attractive things, 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:53.040 you know. And the title, while it's not on a 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.920 TNA wrestler, you may want them. You may want Santana 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:59.960 to get that big moment in his hometown. I mean, 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.400 and Trick Williams is a main eventor in NXT. It's 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:09.080 not as if they sent the Virgin to TNA and 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.720 he's the world champion. They said their top guy to 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.240 do business over there, and eventually he's gonna lose that title. 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.560 I mean, you can see the way that it's booked, 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.600 you can see the way they talk about it. Eventually 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.080 he is going to lose. And you know, I think 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.320 at the end of the day, we probably will be 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.360 saying something similar to what we're saying about the entire 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:35.080 Death Writers storyline is that it paid off. But this 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:39.439 was an atrocious finish. This is like you said that 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.480 this show wasn't like SmackDown. This is like one of 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.480 those crappy SmackDown finishes we see every single week. 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.320 Actually, yeah, this was like a bad TV finish and 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.159 it was the finish of the main event of a 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.200 pay per view. And listen, this pay per view did 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.439 set a record. Okay they did, they did. They claim 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:01.320 seventy six twenty three. Okay, Wrestle Ticks had it at 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.639 sixty eight hundred and set up for seventy one hundred. 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.919 But you know what, I've had people insist seventy six 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.840 twenty three is a real number. Are you really gonna 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.600 exaggerate seven hundred? I guess you could. But the point 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.280 is it was like a record for them, and it 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:21.359 was huge. But in the calendar of events, this is 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.280 not their biggest show of the year. Their biggest show 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.199 of the year is Bound for Glory. It is in October, 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:30.439 it's in Lowell, Massachusetts this year, and it can be 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:33.040 set up for ten thousand for wrestling. 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:33.920 Okay. 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:37.879 So do I think that because of this they're gonna 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.560 pack it and sell ten thousand tickets? Probably not, Okay. 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:44.639 Do I think it's very likely they could do another 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.399 seventy six hundred for Bound for Glory and do the 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:50.879 big payoff of TNA winning all the belts back on 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:54.920 their actual like their WrestleMania. Yeah, I think that's that's 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.680 what the idea is. So, you know, anyone writing all 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.640 of this off and bearinge and it's all their fault 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.960 and everything like that, I mean, I mean, I could 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:08.000 try and find out, but I don't even think WWE 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:09.160 booked any these finishes. 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:15.719 I mean, Brian, you mentioned that the show had seventy 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:22.560 six hundred. You know, the next big venue for Bound 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.679 for Glory as ten thousand. Do you not think that 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:31.280