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Speaker 1: In the show Brain Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live. Filthy
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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, we got we got a lot to
Speaker 1: talk about today.
Speaker 4: You you watched Slammiversary.
Speaker 3: I did. I watched, I would most of it. I
Speaker 3: don't know ninety of it.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Slamiversary to me was very much like
Speaker 1: my favorite show at XT Television, because you know, there's
Speaker 1: never a dull moment. You know, if you watch SmackDown,
Speaker 1: I mean there's like lots of dull moments, it's just one,
Speaker 1: you know, reminded me. I was watching. I was watching
Speaker 1: some you know, all this stuff comes up on your
Speaker 1: Instagram feed or whatever, and I'm scrolling through and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know this this bloke comes on and he's he's
Speaker 1: talking about uh, he's talking about antidepressants or something, and
Speaker 1: he goes, uh, he goes. You know, antidepressants, they they
Speaker 1: stop you from having the deep lows, but they also
Speaker 1: stop you from having the highs, so you're just kind
Speaker 1: of in the middle all the time.
Speaker 4: And uh.
Speaker 1: And then I watched his TENA pay per view and
Speaker 1: I was like, no, that's not a TEENA pay per view,
Speaker 1: it's SmackDown. SmackDown is just right in the middle all
Speaker 1: the time. There's no highs, there's no lows. It's just
Speaker 1: right in the middle. But my god, if you watch this,
Speaker 1: uh it's TENA pay per view or NXTTV, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like watching wrestling in the nineties. You you never
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. I saw an awesome match with
Speaker 1: Moose and the new youngest ex Division champion of all time,
Speaker 1: Leon Slater. Match was freaking great. Okay four and a
Speaker 1: quarter four naf Star match moments earlier I saw.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'd give it less because they spent
Speaker 3: so much time outside the ring.
Speaker 7: No stop.
Speaker 1: Indy Hartwell and Tessa Blanchard was like the worst match
Speaker 1: that I have seen on pay per view since I
Speaker 1: believe twenty nineteen when the Fiend and seth Rawlins had
Speaker 1: a Hell and a Cell match that ended in a DQ.
Speaker 3: My friend, Yes, I listened to your show, Yes, Lance,
Speaker 3: and you previewed this.
Speaker 1: Match I did, and you saw ahead laid on.
Speaker 3: Since Indy Hartwall has been back, I haven't seen anything
Speaker 3: that bad. And I am sure I'm not the first
Speaker 3: person to bring this up to you, but she had
Speaker 3: a match with the former Alicia Fox not too long
Speaker 3: ago on TNA that was horrific and if you would
Speaker 3: have seen that match, you would have had different words
Speaker 3: going into this match.
Speaker 4: Okay, that that.
Speaker 1: That's true, but hold on a second. There is a
Speaker 1: big difference between Alisha Fox and Tessa Blancherd. I didn't
Speaker 1: think this match could possibly in any universe be as
Speaker 1: bad as it was, Like if you do it, If
Speaker 1: you would have told me Indy Hartwell and Alisha Fox
Speaker 1: was bad, I'd have been like, yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, I am yes, I can't even believe I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say it, but I got I have to go
Speaker 3: watch that entire match because what I saw was certainly
Speaker 3: worse than it was worse than being Suzuki.
Speaker 4: Butter Bean and Suzuki.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd have to go back and watch that match again.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even think it's possible because, like
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, as I was watching Butterbean and
Speaker 1: Minor Suzuki. I was pretty confident the entire time. I've
Speaker 1: never seen a worse match in my life. I never
Speaker 1: thought that during Indie Heartwell and Tessa Blanchard. I did
Speaker 1: repeatedly think this is by far the worst match I've
Speaker 1: seen this year. And I had started thinking, like, how
Speaker 1: long do I have to go back?
Speaker 4: And I did.
Speaker 1: I did preface that by saying on pay per view
Speaker 1: Butterbean and Minor Suzuki was worse than this match.
Speaker 3: I mean the Alicia Fox Indian match.
Speaker 1: All right, well, send me a link, brother, or tell
Speaker 1: me what show it's on. I'll go watch it. I'll
Speaker 1: go watch it. But anyway, yeah, there were ups and
Speaker 1: downs on the show, and then we got the main event,
Speaker 1: which I gotta make this clear because you know, and
Speaker 1: even the guy on the board this morning was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I didn't write the post, right, you know,
Speaker 1: he he he said, you know, I know you don't
Speaker 1: want to lose your friendship with Lance, but how can
Speaker 1: you defend that main event finish?
Speaker 4: And let me make this clear.
Speaker 1: All I said was I think I see why they
Speaker 1: did it. Okay, that's not defending it. And in that
Speaker 1: review I used a lot of words I can't use
Speaker 1: on this show when describing the finish of that match.
Speaker 1: That finish was atrocious, Like I couldn't believe my eyes.
Speaker 4: I never would have done it.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that they did it. I think I
Speaker 1: know why they did it, but that doesn't mean it
Speaker 1: was good. It was Trick Williams, Joe Hendry and Mike Santana,
Speaker 1: and like there was one finish.
Speaker 4: It's in New York.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest attendance they've ever had for a North
Speaker 1: American show. It's Slammiversary. The only finish is Mike Santana
Speaker 1: pins Trick Williams. They didn't do that. Instead, Trick faked
Speaker 1: an injury, which killed the crowd because everybody knew something
Speaker 1: bad was gonna happen. And in fact, Mike Santana hit
Speaker 1: his finish on Joe Hendry and Trick Williams flew in
Speaker 1: and stole the pin. What I think their plan is
Speaker 1: is the same thing they did with Joe Hendry, which
Speaker 1: is we don't have him to win the title in
Speaker 1: like a three way. It should be like a one
Speaker 1: on one. This is your one on one match here.
Speaker 1: This is exactly what they do with Joe Hendry. It's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be Mike Santana and Trick at Bound for Glory,
Speaker 1: which is only three months away. I know that's impossible
Speaker 1: to believe October three months away, but it is like,
Speaker 1: I think that's what the plan is. But I cannot
Speaker 1: believe the finish of this match. I can't believe it,
Speaker 1: and worse, when it was over, like, yes, this was
Speaker 1: a finish Vince would have booked. Vince McMahon, it is
Speaker 1: worse he would have booked this finish. But even if
Speaker 1: he would have booked that finish, they still would have
Speaker 1: had like, oh my god, brought Glessner's in the impact
Speaker 1: zone or oh my god, you know something to end
Speaker 1: the show on an oh my God note to like
Speaker 1: give you something. No, he stole the pin. The president
Speaker 1: of TENA gave him the belt and they went off fear.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: That's what they did well.
Speaker 3: I mean, I I think, based on what I heard
Speaker 3: from the commentary team all night, I would imagine that
Speaker 3: they're building towards some big payoff where TNA gets both
Speaker 3: belts back at the same time, you know, build to
Speaker 3: it a little bit longer term. Where Santana. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's clearly what they're doing because all they talked to,
Speaker 3: all Tom talked about on commentary repeatedly was both belts
Speaker 3: in the hands of NXT wrestlers. He's yelling at Carlos
Speaker 3: Silvia's yelling at anybody that he can, how despicable it was,
Speaker 3: how awful it was, and it's like, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: getting more eyes under product, buddy, even if even in
Speaker 3: k FABE sets.
Speaker 1: There they're trying to do the fake death writers. They're
Speaker 1: trying to do Cody and Roman, they're trying to do
Speaker 1: like an invasion where yes, you got to get a
Speaker 1: bunch of heat and the other team has to win, win, win, win, win, and.
Speaker 4: Then you get it back.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like, at the very least you should
Speaker 1: have had something really cool to end the show, not
Speaker 1: just stealing the pin in a three way and going
Speaker 1: off the air.
Speaker 4: That was horrible.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I liked the show overall. I thought it
Speaker 1: was a good show, but I was astounded by the
Speaker 1: finish and how they went off the air. Astounded. What
Speaker 1: did you think was the best match on the show?
Speaker 1: What did you think of that ladder match?
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess I would say Moose and Leon
Speaker 3: Slater was the best match. I think the ladder match,
Speaker 3: I mean it was it was what you would expect
Speaker 3: from a ladder man. But I don't know about that finish.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's a cool idea, but having
Speaker 3: the I don't even know what Those ladders are made
Speaker 3: out of.
Speaker 4: Rope. It's like a rope ladder.
Speaker 3: The rope ladder dropped down from the ceiling. You can't
Speaker 3: do any moves off of it. I don't know if
Speaker 3: those rope ladders will make their way back.
Speaker 1: What was more, it's also it's a TNA thing because,
Speaker 1: like the storyline is they ran out of ladders in
Speaker 1: a ladder match they broke, which if you really think
Speaker 1: about it, it's like, how incompetent do you have to
Speaker 1: be to book a ladder match with like fifty guys
Speaker 1: and not have enough ladders?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Oh, even on commentary they go, this is the most
Speaker 3: TNA thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 4: That is what they said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they didn't see the main event yet, All right,
Speaker 1: hold on, everybody back in the home with more Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Listen, everyone's just in the chat, the YouTube chat. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I listen. I'll say it again.
Speaker 4: It was a horrible finish.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a horrible main event finish. But if you're concerned,
Speaker 1: like I keep hearing the same thing, you know, are
Speaker 1: we still going to defend this WWE TNA thing? WWE
Speaker 1: screwed him over. WWE's ruining TNA. Like, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that this is gonna work out the same way, but
Speaker 1: this is the exact same thing that aw did with
Speaker 1: the death writers. I heard the exact same thing about Moxley.
Speaker 1: I heard, like over and over again, Moxley's main events.
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're boring. He beat the guy again.
Speaker 1: I can't believe he beats Swerve on this show. Like
Speaker 1: this sucks. We need to end it right now, Like
Speaker 1: for months we heard this, but like there was an
Speaker 1: endgame which was all in, which I thought was obvious
Speaker 1: from the beginning, but like everybody wanted to just end.
Speaker 1: Let's get it over with. We got to get this
Speaker 1: belt off. Moxley and and you know everyone can like
Speaker 1: you don't have to. I'm not saying like it. I
Speaker 1: didn't like it either, but like the point is sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to have patience. Like wrestling fans, they want
Speaker 1: everything done now. I want the payoff now. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, this was like the biggest show that they
Speaker 1: ever did. Okay, but like you don't think they want
Speaker 1: Bound for Glory to be bigger. Like I know, I
Speaker 1: get it, okay, but maybe it's not gonna work out
Speaker 1: the same way. But when that when that Cody rose,
Speaker 1: when he got pinned and they threw that chicken in
Speaker 1: the ring that WrestleMania, I was in the second row.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the worst finish I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in my life, irredeemable. It's like it's horrible. And
Speaker 1: in fact, they somehow, somehow, over the next year made
Speaker 1: it work. Now I've said it before. They got lucky. Okay,
Speaker 1: they got really lucky, because I would bet nine times
Speaker 1: out of ten they would add a problem stretching that
Speaker 1: out over another year. Okay, but they made it work,
Speaker 1: all right. The same thing with the death Writers. You
Speaker 1: all hated Moxley, You hated the death Writers, you hated
Speaker 1: this run you hated everything about it. You wanted it
Speaker 1: to end, okay, But you know why all In worked
Speaker 1: with Hangman.
Speaker 4: It worked because of that.
Speaker 1: You had to have this death writers. You had to
Speaker 1: have a guy like John Moxley, and you had to
Speaker 1: build a guy like Hangman, and it worked.
Speaker 4: It worked in the end.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have worked to end it earlier. So I
Speaker 1: get it. I didn't like to finish either, But like,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a method to this madness. And I'm
Speaker 1: not even saying it's gonna work. It might not, but
Speaker 1: there is a method to this, which is it's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: but you need to wait. Like not everything needs to
Speaker 1: be done right now.
Speaker 3: No, And it's clear that TNA's priority right now if
Speaker 3: you listen to Carlos Silva talk is about getting a
Speaker 3: TV deal. And when you go to investors, when you
Speaker 3: go to TV companies and you say, hey, we just
Speaker 3: sold eight thousand tickets in this NHL arena. We have
Speaker 3: a partnership in place with TKO already. Those are attractive things,
Speaker 3: you know. And the title, while it's not on a
Speaker 3: TNA wrestler, you may want them. You may want Santana
Speaker 3: to get that big moment in his hometown. I mean,
Speaker 3: and Trick Williams is a main eventor in NXT. It's
Speaker 3: not as if they sent the Virgin to TNA and
Speaker 3: he's the world champion. They said their top guy to
Speaker 3: do business over there, and eventually he's gonna lose that title.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can see the way that it's booked,
Speaker 3: you can see the way they talk about it. Eventually
Speaker 3: he is going to lose. And you know, I think
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we probably will be
Speaker 3: saying something similar to what we're saying about the entire
Speaker 3: Death Writers storyline is that it paid off. But this
Speaker 3: was an atrocious finish. This is like you said that
Speaker 3: this show wasn't like SmackDown. This is like one of
Speaker 3: those crappy SmackDown finishes we see every single week.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, this was like a bad TV finish and
Speaker 1: it was the finish of the main event of a
Speaker 1: pay per view. And listen, this pay per view did
Speaker 1: set a record. Okay they did, they did. They claim
Speaker 1: seventy six twenty three. Okay, Wrestle Ticks had it at
Speaker 1: sixty eight hundred and set up for seventy one hundred.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I've had people insist seventy six
Speaker 1: twenty three is a real number. Are you really gonna
Speaker 1: exaggerate seven hundred? I guess you could. But the point
Speaker 1: is it was like a record for them, and it
Speaker 1: was huge. But in the calendar of events, this is
Speaker 1: not their biggest show of the year. Their biggest show
Speaker 1: of the year is Bound for Glory. It is in October,
Speaker 1: it's in Lowell, Massachusetts this year, and it can be
Speaker 1: set up for ten thousand for wrestling.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So do I think that because of this they're gonna
Speaker 1: pack it and sell ten thousand tickets? Probably not, Okay.
Speaker 1: Do I think it's very likely they could do another
Speaker 1: seventy six hundred for Bound for Glory and do the
Speaker 1: big payoff of TNA winning all the belts back on
Speaker 1: their actual like their WrestleMania. Yeah, I think that's that's
Speaker 1: what the idea is. So, you know, anyone writing all
Speaker 1: of this off and bearinge and it's all their fault
Speaker 1: and everything like that, I mean, I mean, I could
Speaker 1: try and find out, but I don't even think WWE
Speaker 1: booked any these finishes.
Speaker 3: I mean, Brian, you mentioned that the show had seventy
Speaker 3: six hundred. You know, the next big venue for Bound
Speaker 3: for Glory as ten thousand. Do you not think that
Speaker 3: the return of the Dudley Boys versus the Hardy's can
Speaker 3: make up No?
Speaker 2: Four?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you excited for the Actually he
Speaker 1: didn't even he didn't specify. He only said Team three D.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Devon is gonna be in this match
Speaker 1: because he he apparently had like serious health issues.
Speaker 3: So what you think it's gonna be Spike?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Spike's doing fine actually, or or
Speaker 1: one of Devon's sons.
Speaker 3: I mean, match quality wise, for sure, I would say
Speaker 3: get Spike in there over just to have a.
Speaker 7: Handicap match, a handicap man Parties versus Spike that lead
Speaker 7: that Bully Ray promo.
Speaker 1: I was absolutely dying through the entire thing. First off,
Speaker 1: I don't know why it needed to go so long,
Speaker 1: because really he only had one thing to say, which is, hey,
Speaker 1: good job guys, Team three D, and you guys have
Speaker 1: Bound for Glory. Okay, you can make it a little
Speaker 1: more exciting than that. But first he comes out and
Speaker 1: he congratulates him, but then he has to put over that.
Speaker 1: You know, you're catching up with us in terms of
Speaker 1: title wins, you gotta put himself over. Then he has to,
Speaker 1: you know, congratulate TNA on the attendance record, but then
Speaker 1: know the last attendance record he set, you know, get
Speaker 1: himself over. And then you know he's starting to build up.
Speaker 1: We gotta do this match. It's you know, I'm in
Speaker 1: the ring. You guys are in the ring. We're gonna
Speaker 1: build up this match.
Speaker 4: You guys. Everyone talks.
Speaker 1: He says about the greatest tag team of all time,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, all right, you've put yourself over for
Speaker 1: like five straight minutes now, so just like get it
Speaker 1: out there. You two are the greatest tag teams of
Speaker 1: all time, and you're gonna find But then he just
Speaker 1: throws a total curve ball goes and we all know
Speaker 1: the greatest tag team is actually the World Warriors.
Speaker 4: Like what.
Speaker 1: Bully drove me absolutely crazy in this in this promo here,
Speaker 1: But I mean probably both the Dudley's and the Hardys
Speaker 1: are bigger tag teams than the Road Warriors. I know
Speaker 1: we all have like fond memories of the Road Warriors
Speaker 1: when we were kids, but like they weren't as good
Speaker 1: as Team three D, and they weren't as good as
Speaker 1: as the Hardys when I was a kid, or about
Speaker 1: five hundred other tag teams.
Speaker 4: Quite frankly, it was.
Speaker 3: Their WWF run than Led two thousand. I do not
Speaker 3: have fond memories of the Road Warriors from when I
Speaker 3: was a child to be.
Speaker 1: And then he actually said Bound for Glory. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be the Hardys and Team three D one last match,
Speaker 1: he says, and it will be, I swear to god
Speaker 1: he said these words, the last great tag team match
Speaker 1: of all time. I was thinking, maybe Tom, when you're better,
Speaker 1: we could like do it one more time.
Speaker 4: But why bother?
Speaker 1: We can't possibly have a great tag match. There will
Speaker 1: never be one again after Bound for Glory.
Speaker 3: You know what. I hope he's right.
Speaker 4: Then we won't feel so bad.
Speaker 1: I guess god, Well that was a show. Any other thoughts, Oh,
Speaker 1: I got to mention this, uh must Ali is fine.
Speaker 1: He did a topey and landed on his uh basically
Speaker 1: on his brain and he's all right and uh astoundingly
Speaker 1: top Dollar the former or the former top Dollar.
Speaker 4: He's a j Francis.
Speaker 1: He like he was supposed to fall sideways off a
Speaker 1: ladder and he jumped and went through with his feet
Speaker 1: and uh.
Speaker 3: He crouched him.
Speaker 1: He crossed it after the show. Yeah, I'll help you
Speaker 1: after the show. Okay, okay, can you shut my door?
Speaker 4: Okay, well why didn't you shut it?
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Speaker 7: and he went balls first through this ladder.
Speaker 3: Crouched himself on the wrung.
Speaker 1: It looked like he he broke his balls and both legs,
Speaker 1: which is bad but apparently also fine. And Trey Miguel
Speaker 1: missed the pay per view.
Speaker 4: Not fine.
Speaker 1: He needs hernia surgery, so that sucks. And Elijah also,
Speaker 1: which in fact was the first report. It is a
Speaker 1: torn triceps. He got surgery. He'll be out months and months.
Speaker 1: It was it was injured. He did the Undertaker rope
Speaker 1: walk and just kind of landed weird and tore his
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Speaker 1: he does not need to kill himself.
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Speaker 3: Steeles getting the boot and then and then just going
Speaker 3: back doing what we're gonna do after the music that
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live Brian Alvarez and
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Speaker 1: Yes, you're laughing. You're just so proud of how you
Speaker 1: threw the commercial after the break.
Speaker 3: No no, I was on Instagram and I saw somebody's
Speaker 3: posts said group Jeff Hardy dance This Tuesday at five
Speaker 3: point fifteen pm. Excuse me, please come dress casually?
Speaker 4: Not that all right?
Speaker 3: How can you not smile?
Speaker 1: What do you think? It's SmackDown? Then we'll do some
Speaker 1: more news.
Speaker 3: Well, I tried to think about it earlier when you
Speaker 3: were saying how boring SmackDown usually is, and I was
Speaker 3: at a loss for what was even on it, which
Speaker 3: led me to believe I probably enjoy it all that much.
Speaker 3: But it's not three.
Speaker 4: Hours, no, which is better.
Speaker 3: It's much much better.
Speaker 1: But still it's too damn long. Actually it's not even
Speaker 1: as too long.
Speaker 4: It's just boring.
Speaker 3: There was nothing to it.
Speaker 4: Nah, just is there?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 3: I watched it, like the matches Charlotte and Raquel was good,
Speaker 3: you know, but they're clearly I mean, they pushed so
Speaker 3: hard on commentary that the fans are really getting behind Charlotte,
Speaker 3: and the last few weeks the fans have been going
Speaker 3: crazy for Charlotte. And it's like Joe Tess that was
Speaker 3: just an evolution, like that was the only show that
Speaker 3: this had that happened before this, but you know, the
Speaker 3: crowd was behind her here as this had. This had
Speaker 3: an also terrificly bad finish that could have been in
Speaker 3: the main event of TNA Slammiversary Interference. After Interference, rock
Speaker 3: Sang got on the ropes, Rough went to her, Alexa
Speaker 3: had pom poms in Charlotte's corner, necked Raquel on the ropes.
Speaker 3: Charlotte had a big boot, got the win, and they
Speaker 3: will challenge Roxanne Raquel for the tag titles at Summerslams.
Speaker 1: They will coming up. Man that match booked after I like, how,
Speaker 1: Charlotte just goes, well, you know, we didn't win at
Speaker 1: that show this weekend, but win lose. So I just
Speaker 1: asked Adam Pierce for a manch and he said, okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's this thing with you know, would
Speaker 1: have been mentioned before. But they had evolution, they had
Speaker 1: Saturday Night's main event, and they were doing all they
Speaker 1: could to try to build those up big because it
Speaker 1: was all in Weekend and the NXT show and and
Speaker 1: they all ended, and then there's two weeks until SummerSlam
Speaker 1: and it's a two night show. They need sixteen matches, okay,
Speaker 1: so it's like this is now We're just rushing to
Speaker 1: get matches put together for the show, which certainly helped
Speaker 1: SummerSlam feel like the second biggest show of the year.
Speaker 1: When you're just like, oh, the women's tag titles are
Speaker 1: on the line. Why oh, we asked after losing on
Speaker 1: the pay per view, it was like, what, okay.
Speaker 3: Are you sure we're not getting two nights of five
Speaker 3: match cords?
Speaker 1: I doubt it. It's possible, but it's Summer Slam, dude.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be exactly like WrestleMania six or
Speaker 1: seven or eight or whatever, slim gym Battle Royal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had h There was a show line, a
Speaker 3: show long storyline where at the beginning there was a
Speaker 3: hit and run accident and the MFTs basically tried to
Speaker 3: pin it on Fatu. The police took Fatu for questioning.
Speaker 3: Later on, Solo Sicole was out in front of the
Speaker 3: crowd and Fatu showed back up and he and Jimmy
Speaker 3: Usso fought with the MFTs till eventually it broke down
Speaker 3: and Adam Pierce came out and said that Solo will
Speaker 3: defend his title against Fatu at SummerSlam inside of a
Speaker 3: steel cage, and then he said the police came out
Speaker 3: and he said, guys, he's all yours and the police
Speaker 3: cuffed Solo and took him away, So clearly this traffic
Speaker 3: accident going to be Solo's fault. Stephanie v Kerr beat
Speaker 3: Alba Fire, why not? I guess Piper attacked her after
Speaker 3: the match seemingly. My guess is this leads to some
Speaker 3: sort of tag match or a six woman match at
Speaker 3: SummerSlam with Nicki Bella involved, Stephanie, the Secret Hervis, maybe
Speaker 3: Lola wece Di. Did she team up with Stephanie and
Speaker 3: then have a mice and then have a yeah, did
Speaker 3: she team up with Stephaniette? I'm sure some pay per
Speaker 3: view Apparently befabs back with the street profits backstage, and
Speaker 3: then we had your favorite. The Tag Division takes center
Speaker 3: stage here the SmackDown Tag Division, where Andrade and Ray
Speaker 3: Phoenix defeated Phraxium DIY the MotorCity machine Guns. This was
Speaker 3: easily the best action on the show, not even a question,
Speaker 3: like it's not even I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 3: how you can look at this show and not look
Speaker 3: at it any other way. Easily the best thing on
Speaker 3: this show. Eventually, Candice distracted and rode. He avoided a
Speaker 3: super kick. He had a spinning back elbow on Gargano. Phoenix,
Speaker 3: who was dressed up like the White Power Ranger, flew
Speaker 3: over the ropes, took out Gargano with a dive, Andrede
Speaker 3: hit the message and they got the win and they
Speaker 3: will challenge the Wyatt six.
Speaker 1: Yeah next night, even something for Summer Slam. We need
Speaker 1: Summer Slam matches.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get some chicanery, would be my guess.
Speaker 7: Maybe we'll find I mean guess a multi person match
Speaker 7: in Summer Slam.
Speaker 3: Yes, the long awaited SmackDown Tag Division multi team match
Speaker 3: that has been being built to since December, I think,
Speaker 3: or whenever the machine Gun showed up, and then we
Speaker 3: had the main event segment with what I think is
Speaker 3: a highly illegal action. I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 3: am not a lawyer, I am not a judge, but
Speaker 3: I don't know how this sort of thing holds up
Speaker 3: in court. John Cena came out said he's not signing
Speaker 3: the contract to face Cody Well. Cody came out first
Speaker 3: that John Cena came out. Cina said he's not signing
Speaker 3: the contract. He's gonna shoot a movie. Netflix knows about it.
Speaker 3: He said, Cody can get his rematch of the future,
Speaker 3: but it's not happening in that Summer Slam, so you know,
Speaker 3: went to leave, Cody chased him down in the entrance
Speaker 3: way back to the ring. SNA tried to hit him
Speaker 3: with the title, but it magically flew into the waiting
Speaker 3: grasp of Cody Rhodes and the American Nightmare once again
Speaker 3: hesitated like he did at WrestleMania.
Speaker 7: He did, but thanks for killing the lead, but this
Speaker 7: time pulled the trigger.
Speaker 3: Hit Sina with the belt, put him through a table,
Speaker 3: with a He fell off the top rope while holding
Speaker 3: the contract. Put him through a table. He grabs in
Speaker 3: his hand, placed a pen in it, signed the contract
Speaker 3: with his hand.
Speaker 1: Listen, I know it's wrestling and all, but like God,
Speaker 1: there's so much stupid stuff everywhere. It's like, you can't
Speaker 1: put a pen in someone's unconscious hand in sign a
Speaker 1: contract and have that be legally binding. That's ridiculous. It's
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3: It is. I haven't seen a travesty like this since
Speaker 3: that time. Oh and hard made Ken Shamrock tap out
Speaker 3: in the dungeon match.
Speaker 1: Remember that, Remember him tapping out? Ye unconsciousn ridiculous?
Speaker 4: Yeah, ridiculous.
Speaker 3: As if it's not ridiculous enough, John Cita, who's unconscious,
Speaker 3: is then asked if he read the fine print because
Speaker 3: that Summer Slam it's a stream fight.
Speaker 1: Hey, that was the one good thing that came out
Speaker 1: of the show. Because you know what, this match needs
Speaker 1: smoking mirrors, and if they're gonna add some smoking mirrors
Speaker 1: to the match, I'm all for it. All right, We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk collision here in a second. Some notes, But
Speaker 1: first off, I want to mention that the former Corra
Speaker 1: Jade canceled all upcoming appearances and says she is taking
Speaker 1: a break from pro wrestling. That I originally had a
Speaker 1: timident lung video explaining where my head's at. Maybe eventually
Speaker 1: I'll post it, but it seems unnecessary for now. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll keep it short, but I may take it a
Speaker 1: break from wrestling for the foreseeable future. It's no longer
Speaker 1: good for my mental health. I'll never know if that
Speaker 1: love that I once had for will return if I
Speaker 1: don't step away. I'm gonna take the rest of the
Speaker 1: year to take care of me and go from there.
Speaker 1: I apologize to the fans and promoters who were looking
Speaker 1: forward to and who booked my upcoming appearances. I hope
Speaker 1: you can understand all my supporters. Thank you so all
Speaker 1: the best of her. Hopefully everything works out and she
Speaker 1: gets her love for wrestling back. But for now, Stepping
Speaker 1: Aside has noted to be in the show. Wrestle Dream
Speaker 1: this year will be in Saint Louis, Missouri, ah Tony
Speaker 1: mad at me or something took it out of Seattle.
Speaker 1: It's gone. Pay per view will be October eighteenth. The
Speaker 1: Chaifetes Arena Premium seating goes on sale Tuesday. Pre sale
Speaker 1: starts on Thursday. It is the first time in the
Speaker 1: three year history that Wressell Dream will not be in Washington,
Speaker 1: so we we lost it. This better not be because
Speaker 1: of the attendance at those two shows in Kent, because
Speaker 1: if it is, I'm gonna be really mad. Because if
Speaker 1: you're wondering why those shows didn't do great, it's because
Speaker 1: zilch was advertised. Not a single solitary thing was advertised,
Speaker 1: and like, you can't not advertise anything, do a poor
Speaker 1: crowd and then decide, eh, we can't run a pay
Speaker 1: per view there. It's like when WWE, you know, they
Speaker 1: had that show in Seattle, that WrestleMania and it didn't
Speaker 1: draw well because it didn't when they decided, well it
Speaker 1: must be Seattle can't ever run any WrestleMania there. Again,
Speaker 1: maybe the city's not the problem, maybe you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, they did somehow choose one of the very
Speaker 3: few worse cities than Seattle, but go to in the
Speaker 3: United States by picking Saint Louis of all places? Are
Speaker 3: you kidding me?
Speaker 1: That's where they're going? Good God, a chai FETs arena.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is. Speaking of Brian Danielson,
Speaker 1: he was on his The Nicky and Bree show and
Speaker 1: they asked him about his appearance at all in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he was cleared a.
Speaker 4: Lot of questions.
Speaker 1: Bree said she didn't know he was going to be
Speaker 1: on the show at all. He's about stage at events
Speaker 1: here and there, so like she didn't know he's gonna
Speaker 1: be involved in the match. And she says, were you
Speaker 1: supposed to do the moves you did? And Danielson said, well,
Speaker 1: some of them I had cleared, some of them I
Speaker 1: did not, but I was feeling it. And she said
Speaker 1: I knew Doctor Sampson was going to be upset, and
Speaker 1: Danielson said, to be fair, he wasn't upset. He just
Speaker 1: thought I was an idiot. So he made it clear
Speaker 1: he is not back.
Speaker 4: No, I am not back.
Speaker 1: He said, And uh, it was just the appearance to
Speaker 1: finish off that storyline.
Speaker 4: So there you go.
Speaker 3: The one with Blue Panther.
Speaker 1: When he showed that blue Panther mask, Hi, is that who?
Speaker 3: Brief thought it was backstage?
Speaker 4: Perhaps I bet he was in a crowd.
Speaker 1: I don't know this for sure, but I would bet
Speaker 1: he was just sitting in the crowd the whole night
Speaker 1: with that mask on point for that main event. So
Speaker 1: Goldberg had another interview, and uh, this one was with
Speaker 1: the Boston Harold and he said, listen, don't let my
Speaker 1: displeasure because he was not happy with how his retirement went.
Speaker 1: But he said, I do not want that to reflect
Speaker 1: on my opponent. I wish I could do it again.
Speaker 1: That's how much fun the match was.
Speaker 4: He says.
Speaker 1: I never bask in a moment, but that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: When I laughed after Gunther shopped me, wasn't because I
Speaker 1: wanted to step on his offense. It was I was
Speaker 1: having fun. It was a reactionary thing. Don't have that
Speaker 1: much fun. I'm greatly appreciative. So many were happy with
Speaker 1: what they saw was a long road leading up to it.
Speaker 1: A lot of sacrifices were made. In some ways it
Speaker 1: was a success. In other ways, he says it was
Speaker 1: a failure, and he still wanted to say I couldn't
Speaker 1: have done any of that match on Saturday without Triple H.
Speaker 1: That's the truth, one thousand percent. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of weird because like they were on NBC, they
Speaker 1: had a heart out. It's like they had to end
Speaker 1: when they did. So, really there were only two options,
Speaker 1: and that was have a shorter match and a longer speech,
Speaker 1: or have a long, great match, because I thought the
Speaker 1: match was really good, and then you know, you don't
Speaker 1: get your speech. So you know, maybe if he had
Speaker 1: a short match and a long speech, he'd regret it
Speaker 1: not being in there longer. Who knows. Back in a
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Speaker 4: Where we're at. And there was also.
Speaker 1: An injury to.
Speaker 3: Gabe Kid.
Speaker 1: Gabe Kid, yes me, so we'll see if he ends
Speaker 1: up coming back. But that's no good, so best luck
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 3: The coldest white boy in the land trying to speak
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Speaker 1: And they also the announcement of Hulkog and Eric Bischoff
Speaker 1: and now Kurt Angle. Real American Freestyle will be streaming
Speaker 1: on Fox Nation. What Fox Nation? Okay, should we see
Speaker 1: how many tickets they got sold? It was six hundred yesterday,
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago.
Speaker 3: I think they have an almost complete lineup for the
Speaker 3: show really as well. Yeah, there's quite a few.
Speaker 4: Does it look good?
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're an amateur wrestling fans decent enough,
Speaker 3: you had Bo Nickel out there with the UFC fans.
Speaker 3: I think Kennedy Blades is on the show. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The latest update was six thirty nine, so good. Now
Speaker 1: it's a you know, thirteen thousand seat building. We got
Speaker 1: six thirty nine out anyway.
Speaker 3: Hey, we're gonna outdraw them, will be Yeah, we might.
Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow. Body, thanks for listening. We'll talk
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