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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did. My name is Milly to Jericho. I'm Daniel Henderson,

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Speaker 1: and we're here again to talk about film, film, chat, film, gab, patter, film, patter,

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Speaker 1: film stuff.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what.

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Speaker 3: Else this patter of feet.

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Speaker 4: I think patter's only feet, pitter, patter of little feet,

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Speaker 4: patter of little movies. I'm in the delirious at this point.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea what I'm saying. It's all right,

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Speaker 4: that's what we do best.

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Speaker 1: We just record all of the bullshit that comes out

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Speaker 1: of our mouths and publish it for the world.

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Speaker 2: What's going on with you? How's it going.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing okay.

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Speaker 4: I don't really have a lot going on, which is

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Speaker 4: strange because I thought that once I got vaccinated, I'd

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Speaker 4: be like in these streets.

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Speaker 3: But I'm still just in my house. But how are

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Speaker 3: you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm fine.

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Speaker 1: I So I got into you know how everybody sort

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Speaker 1: of has like quarantine hobbies that that they adopted.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like everybody, of course is making the breads and.

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Speaker 3: Doing the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those two everyone is now, you know, like hiking

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Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail like it's the thing, right, So of

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Speaker 1: course I'm I'm one of these people because I got

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Speaker 1: into like birds when quarantine happened, not so much when

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Speaker 1: I was still.

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Speaker 2: In LA because there's no birds here.

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Speaker 4: They're all like smog covered demons, just wafting through the air.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is is that I didn't really see

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Speaker 1: very many birds except for hummingbirds. There was a ship

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Speaker 1: out of humming birds in West Hollywood. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that was like the case in Silver Lake, but like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I used to see hummingbirds on the rags.

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Speaker 4: They're the only birds fast enough to withz buy all

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Speaker 4: the shit, so they smog can't land on them.

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Speaker 3: They can just keep moving, keep it moving.

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Speaker 4: Hummingbirds are like the survivalist bird that we need for

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Speaker 4: this place.

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Speaker 1: There's like old people in tracksuits screaming at each other

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Speaker 1: at the top of their lungs, and then there's just

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Speaker 1: this beautiful hummingbird that just flies by, and.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, scene out of American beauty. The hummingbirds

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Speaker 4: are the plastic bag exactly.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: So the funny thing is that here where I'm at

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Speaker 1: in Florida, it's part of this thing called the birding trail.

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Speaker 1: Which is essentially like where it's like a migratory path.

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Speaker 2: For birds coming from the north.

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Speaker 1: Right. So birdwatching is really popular here, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's really popular in Florida in general, but it's especially

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Speaker 1: popular in this.

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Speaker 2: Region that I'm in.

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Speaker 1: Right, So you know, my dad's like, oh man, you

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Speaker 1: got to get yourself some binoculars. You got to you know,

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Speaker 1: download some literature from the internet. That's like his thing

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Speaker 1: is like get your literature in order get you.

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Speaker 3: Know, did your dad know that you're not retired?

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Speaker 4: I know that you're living with them, but you're not

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Speaker 4: retired yet.

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Speaker 1: Listen, you don't know how easily I've fallen into this lifestyle.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I mean I.

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Speaker 1: Was middle aged at twelve, and I was like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I'm loving I'm loving all this stuff, all this

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Speaker 1: retirement info, like the tips and tricks from my parents.

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Speaker 3: The literature. Who would have known?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but my dad is like a gear guy, Like

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is very common because I feel

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Speaker 1: like I've also like dated guys that were like this.

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Speaker 2: They're all about the gear.

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Speaker 1: So when they start a hobby, they're like, well, I

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Speaker 1: started a new hobby. So I gotta go down to

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Speaker 1: the store and get all the things I need, Like

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Speaker 1: you gotta have the right this and the write that.

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Speaker 1: You got to have the books, the pamphlets, the you know,

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Speaker 1: mail off for the catalogs.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like so so funny to me, but.

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Speaker 3: So can you be a gear guy for knitting?

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Speaker 4: I think I'm a gear guy for knitting because I'm like,

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Speaker 4: give me all them needle, give me those interchangeable needles,

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Speaker 4: give me that soft, soft ten dollars skiing yarn down there.

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Speaker 3: I'm in it. See.

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Speaker 2: I would love to know.

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Speaker 1: The ins and outs of knitting, Like I want to know,

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Speaker 1: like what is like the good needles versus the bad needles,

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Speaker 1: this yarn versus this, Like I want the turf wars on,

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Speaker 1: like the product brands and shit, Like I'm I want

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Speaker 2: All these things about knitting.

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Speaker 4: So the world of knitting I will I will one

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Speaker 4: day invite you into the magical world of knitting and

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Speaker 4: you will be astonished at how many turf wars there

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Speaker 4: literally are.

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Speaker 3: And I'm I'm an equal opportunity knitter.

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Speaker 4: I think if you're just starting out with something, just

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Speaker 4: get it, get it cheap so you can learn the stitches.

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Speaker 4: It's two stitches in knitting, but you can make a

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Speaker 4: hundreds and thousands of different patterns. So go ahead and

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Speaker 4: get that red heart, that red Lion, whatever red brand yarn,

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Speaker 4: and just teach yourself.

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Speaker 3: How to do it, and then as you get better,

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Speaker 3: level up.

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Speaker 4: But there are definitely people who are trying it out

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Speaker 4: here with knitting needles in terms of gear, Like, I'm

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Speaker 4: not spending hundreds of dollars on knitting needles. You can

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Speaker 4: give them to me anytime, contact us that I saw

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Speaker 4: what you did. If you want to give to me

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Speaker 4: a set of five hundred dollars needles.

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Speaker 1: No, that's interesting because that's I think that's a kind

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Speaker 1: of the same thing about a lot of hobbies is

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Speaker 1: that people go into it thinking they got to get

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Speaker 1: like five hundred dollars Trekking polls, and I'm like no.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's fascinating to me that

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Speaker 2: people have.

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Speaker 1: Opinions and like brand loyalties when it comes to like things,

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Speaker 1: and that they have like opinions about who's the guide

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Speaker 1: that you need, like whose guide you need? So I

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Speaker 1: on Amazon, it's basically like in the comments or in

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Speaker 1: the reviews, it's basically like.

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Speaker 2: That other bird book is bullshit, this is the.

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Speaker 1: Best book, and then the other one is like, that's

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is fascinating.

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Speaker 1: But then it's funny to me because it just underscores

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Speaker 1: kind of the seriousness that certain people have towards their hobbies.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, like I I decided to.

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Speaker 1: Go on the internet and just kind of do like

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Speaker 1: a general guide to this area.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, so what kind of birds

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Speaker 1: can I expect to see, like in this county, in

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Right? And I found this like dude's guide.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he is like a resident, but he has put

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Speaker 1: together his own literature.

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Speaker 2: He's put together his own like pdf.

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Speaker 3: Pam. I love this guy already.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what he looks like.

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Speaker 1: I assume he looks like James Lipton from inside the

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Speaker 1: After Studio.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I think that, but I just

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Speaker 2: assume it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Could be completely wrong, as we know so many different

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Speaker 1: types of people are into everything. Right, I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's my faulty judgment there, but I just assume

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Speaker 1: it looks like James Lipton. Okay, So I download this

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Speaker 1: guide and it's basically like his tone is that you're

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Speaker 1: just joking around because you just decided you want to

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Speaker 1: pick up birding. Like he's like, all right, I know

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Speaker 1: why you downloaded this guide. It's because you think you

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Speaker 1: know a lot about birds. But let me just tell

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Speaker 4: I love this approach, like I'm gonna make this guide

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Speaker 4: to prove to you how much of a piece of

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Speaker 4: shit you are. That is the energy I need to

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Speaker 4: bring to my hobbies.

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Speaker 1: I am like, yeah, I don't know shit, Like I

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Speaker 1: sound like. And so yeah, I deserve it, like hayes Me,

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Speaker 1: why don't you, sir, hayes Me pamphlet guy, Because I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. And I

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Speaker 1: I could take a little bit of that. But it

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Speaker 1: is just like so funny to me because he's basically

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Speaker 1: like every other paragraph he is like I know what

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Speaker 1: you're thinking, but it's wrong. Like that's so fun this

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Speaker 1: entire pamphlet, And it's almost like, if you can make

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Speaker 1: it through this pamphlet, you must really want to be

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Speaker 1: coals in a major way.

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Speaker 4: I want to bare knuckle box this guy on one

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Speaker 4: of those speedboats, like those air boats that go over

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Speaker 4: the swamps. I want to bare knuckle box him on

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Speaker 4: one of those and just be like, who knows the most.

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Speaker 3: Now level playing field, dude, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: But it is like it's an intimidating hobby only because

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Speaker 1: there are so many different types of birds, like in

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Speaker 1: the way that you're like, how is this possible? And

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Speaker 1: like honestly, like you have to really like study the

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Speaker 1: way that they look because like a feather will be off,

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Speaker 1: you know, like one that's like tucked underneath their wings,

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Speaker 1: like distinguishes like one entire species from like another.

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Speaker 4: It's like one of those puzzles from when you were

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Speaker 4: They look exactly the same, but this one has a

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Speaker 4: turquoise beak.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I think it's incredible if you can like totally identify

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Speaker 1: a bird like on site by the bird call all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. But it is funny because I'm just sort

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Speaker 1: of like, I just I'm getting spanked by this pamphlet

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 4: But this is this is why I don't like pamphlets

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Speaker 4: like this, because I love that you want to do

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Speaker 4: this and you're trying, and that, to me is what's important. Like,

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Speaker 4: you will eventually get to the point where you could

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Speaker 4: identify a couple of birds by sight, and you're gonna

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Speaker 4: be so excited. Normally on your own you'd be so excited,

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Speaker 4: but now you're gonna be like, well, it's not every bird, so.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's not good enough.

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Speaker 4: Fuck all that. Throw that pamphlet away. If it's on

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Speaker 4: your computer, you have to throw your computer in the trash.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 4: Toss that laptop, go out with some binoculars, make up

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Speaker 4: your own birds. Nobody gives a shit. Call this one

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Speaker 4: the whistling dick bird. I don't care like just do

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Speaker 4: whatever you want to do, learn whatever you want. This

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Speaker 4: I'll take it. I will hold that with you as

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Speaker 3: And truly this is the first for us. I believe.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Now I'm just on one with this episode.

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Speaker 4: We are fucked, wheels are off, we are rolling on

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is a fucking hell ride. So this film

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Speaker 1: I'm like about five seconds away. I swear from like

446
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Speaker 1: starting a directing career simply to name psycho baby movies.

447
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: Like I'm already a middle aged woman according to a

448
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: twenty four year old, So it's my.

449
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 4: Destiny like modern day psychopedic.

450
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and I've already Listen, everybody, come up with

451
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: two that you and I.

452
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: Can both be in together or part your choice. So

453
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: here's my pitch. Here's my elevator pitch.

454
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: So the movie that I will be in is about

455
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: a woman who traps her new boyfriend backstage at the

456
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Speaker 1: National Dog Show and The title is called who Wants

457
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: to Killy Anti Milly?

458
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: Okay? And yours Yours.

459
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: Is going to be about a woman who traps Metallica

460
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: the band, the entire band in a desolate like snow

461
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: covered cabin in Alaska, and it's called Send Directly to Hell,

462
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: Miss Danielle. And the cover of it is gonna be

463
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: like this letter opener that's like ripping through an envelope

464
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 1: and it's just covered in blood.

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Speaker 4: You have to quit your job tomorrow, put in your notice.

466
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 3: This is what you're doing forever.

467
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 4: Now see, I will find a way to hook you

468
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 4: up with some studio heads or something like whoever lets

469
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 4: this happen?

470
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: This is your new job.

471
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: Can we get Scotti Landis to write this movie with you?

472
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: Like both of these movies, we need these movies to

473
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Speaker 1: be produced, so anyway that now that that's out of

474
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Speaker 1: the way, Okay, whatever happened to Baby Jane stars Betty

475
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: Davis and Joan Crawford, two of the biggest, if not

476
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Speaker 1: the biggest actresses in classic Hollywood.

477
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Speaker 2: Right now, I'll just say.

478
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Speaker 1: Right off the bat, no, I have not seen Feud,

479
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: which is the Ryan Murphy show that is all about this.

480
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: But I literally.

481
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then me and you are the only people

482
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Speaker 1: that haven't seen it, because everyone I know in the

483
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: world has seen it. So in a way, I feel

484
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: like I can kind of spare everybody the big history

485
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: lesson about Betty and Joan, and just like their legendary rivalry, like,

486
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Speaker 1: honestly google it.

487
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Speaker 2: It's like, all you.

488
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: Really need to know about their feud is that a

489
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: they were both like giant studio era stars, right, and

490
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: they were operating at this time when the movie industry

491
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: was even more cloistered and managed than it is now,

492
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Speaker 1: which is saying a lot.

493
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Speaker 2: But also they were both.

494
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: Aries, okay, and if you know anything about astrology, it

495
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: means that they are the warring type, both of them.

496
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Speaker 1: That's all I need to know about the rivalry in

497
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Speaker 1: my opinion, okay, but I encourage you to look it

498
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: up because it's fascinating. So the plot of this movie

499
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: is that Betty Davis plays baby Jane Hudson. She's a

500
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: famous child star in the vaudeville era who had this

501
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: like adorable act with her father in which they performed

502
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Speaker 1: songs about daddies and they sold a shit ton of

503
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Speaker 1: these giant porcelain dolls that resembled Baby Jane. Okay, her sister,

504
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: Blanche Hudson, who was played by Joan Crawford, is like

505
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Speaker 1: sitting silently backstage. She has little to no needs of

506
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Speaker 1: her own, while her sister is like a second away

507
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: from having a complete meltdown about not getting ice cream

508
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: whenever she wanted.

509
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 3: Okay, just bretten it up everywhere.

510
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: Yes, So we're setting up the scenario the dynamic between

511
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Speaker 1: these two sisters.

512
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: Cut to a few years later.

513
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Speaker 1: Turns out Blanche now has the big, famous acting career

514
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: and Baby Jane has essentially descended into.

515
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: Irrelevance and alcoholism.

516
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: Sadly to say so, one night, Blanche and Jane come

517
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: home from you know somewhere a party and Blanche gets

518
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: out of the car to open the gate and is

519
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: like hit by the car in front of her own

520
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: driveway and she's paralyzed for the waist down. And immediately

521
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: it's it's suggested that Jane is the culprit, as she

522
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: was drunk when it happened. You know, they kind of

523
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: like leave a lot of stuff out about that, but

524
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: it was the scenario that happened. So you cut to

525
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: the sort of modern era in the film where Blanche,

526
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: who is now in a wheelchair, she is essentially living

527
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: in a house that she's paid for with baby Jane

528
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: and is trapped on the second floor of the home

529
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Speaker 1: that they share together. And for whatever reason, Jane is

530
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: now her caretaker, which is clearly the most terrible idea

531
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Speaker 1: that anyone has ever heard of it because, you know,

532
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: and I mean, maybe there is something to that. I mean,

533
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: if their parents aren't around anymore, and obviously she's probably

534
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: got like this sister and that's the only family member

535
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: who can take care of her. But honestly, Jane is

536
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: more bitter and delusional than ever, and she is wearing

537
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: the clothes and makeup from her glory years, which are terrifying.

538
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 4: Oh, the scariest part of the movie, I would say

539
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 4: this is from when she was the diminutive dancing deuce

540
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Speaker 4: of Deluthe is that what it's said on her post?

541
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: And I'm like, wow, alliteration working overtime to say, here's

542
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: a little girl with a gangle jangle dance.

543
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: And you know, Betty Davis is wearing this like pancake

544
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: makeup from hell, you know, which, by the way, Betty

545
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: Davis was like.

546
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: She was a real goer and that's why I love her.

547
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: She was basically like, I'm totally chill with looking as

548
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: fucked up as possible.

549
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: For a role that was literally her party line.

550
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: Like she was like, I'll do whatever it takes, like

551
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm committed, and for that, I love it.

552
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: I love it.

553
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: But she's wearing like this crazy like makeup. She's her

554
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, her eyeliner is going all over the place,

555
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: and she's also wearing like one of those old school dresses,

556
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: which it's like a it's like a cut of dress

557
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: that is flattering to pretty much nobody where the waistline

558
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: is like down by the hips or like it's like, yeah,

559
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: pelvis waistline is.

560
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Speaker 2: That like an old cut.

561
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: It's like a flapper cut.

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00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: It's like a flapper cut. And I'm like, damn that

563
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: cut of dress. I don't know who looks good in

564
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: that dress ever, and I don't really know she's wearing it.

565
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: It's basically my point, and not even to say that

566
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: she looks terrible, but just it's universally unflattering in my opinion. Okay,

567
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: but anyway, so she's wearing the clothes and the makeup

568
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: from her glory ears she's drinking multiple bottles of Scotch

569
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: a day, which she can always well, she's like lying

570
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: to get because the package store or whatever has cut

571
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Speaker 1: her off and she's got to like pretend to be

572
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Speaker 1: her sister, which she does an incredible job of imitating

573
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Speaker 1: Blanche's voice or Joan Crawford's voice. I'm not even sure

574
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: if that was actually her, but it's great. And she

575
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: is straight up abusing Blanche, like on the rigs and

576
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: she's yelling at her. She's denying her the option to

577
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: leave her her room, which again she's on the second floor.

578
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: She's not letting her eat, oh yeah, serving her dead

579
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: birds and rats under a close. And you know I

580
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: say this in the I said this in episode seventeen

581
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: when talking about Psycho Baby movies. But basically, like this

582
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: is a common trope in these films, is trapping relatives.

583
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: And it's so outrageous.

584
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: Because it's basically like it goes back to what I

585
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: was saying in that episode about how like this is

586
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: a story device that was put into a story like

587
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Speaker 1: this because it's like it's all about women's age, right,

588
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: It's about like older women being so desperate to maintain

589
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: something maintain some kind of youth, maintain some kind of

590
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: love and acceptance that they don't get anymore.

591
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Speaker 2: So they have to fucking trap people.

592
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 4: You know, which is so writteness, that's the natural progression, mild.

593
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Speaker 3: I don't get love, you are fucking trapped.

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00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: Yes, and listen like that's a that's like a I know,

595
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm this is a serious issue, but it's also like

596
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: I can laugh at this because I am middle aged, Okay, Like.

597
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: Let me laugh at it, okay.

598
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: But Jane figures out that Blanche is like thinking of

599
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: selling this house and is trying to get some help

600
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: for Jane, which clearly she's she needs, and so from

601
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: that point she, you know, baby Jane launches an all

602
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: out war and Blanche makes many attempts to escape their housekeeper, Elvira,

603
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: who is played by like the amazing she's amazing Madie Norman.

604
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: She's basically the only outsider that's coming into this house

605
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: at this point, and Elvira definitely senses that there's some

606
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: fuck shit going on, and you know, you know what's

607
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: gonna happen to her because she knows this right, classic

608
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: horror like you know how this works.

609
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: It's very I know what you did last summer, except

610
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: it's I know what you did to your Your sister's

611
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 4: paralyzed from the waist.

612
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: Dead, yes, and you know so.

613
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: At same time, Baby Jade is also trying to get

614
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: her career back on track. She hires a piano man

615
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 1: to play, you know, for her songs. I guess that

616
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's written them or is just

617
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: going to bring out the old favorites. And the guy's

618
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: name is Edwin and he's played by Victor Bono, who's

619
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: amazing too. There's so many amazing people in this movie

620
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: besides Betty and Joan.

621
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Speaker 2: But he eventually finds out what's going on, right yeah,

622
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Speaker 2: and goes running for the hills.

623
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Speaker 1: And this is kind of the thing is as slowly

624
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: this like this situation is becoming more and more tense

625
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: and crazy, and then it all just kind of ends

626
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: up like it always does at the beach.

627
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: That that has to be the weirdest part of this

628
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: movie for me, is the ending and the sister.

629
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Speaker 1: The sisters kind of have their final blowout on the beach,

630
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: and it is the kind of thing.

631
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Speaker 3: Where it's kind of there's a there's big questions.

632
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: Left at the end.

633
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's a spoiler, but it is

634
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: like the culmination of this like really fraught relationship between

635
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: these two sisters, which, by the way, I gotta say,

636
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: it cracks me up that anybody thought that these two

637
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: could pose as sisters. I mean, just just on the

638
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: pure areas energy alone, Like no one's sharing, no one's

639
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: sharing this family.

640
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: They they they couldn't live in the same house ever.

641
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: And you're saying this as a confirmed ares.

642
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: Yes, it takes one and no one, Okay, but you know,

643
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: I know that competition between siblings, though, is like a

644
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: real thing, even though I did not experience that, I

645
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: did not experience anything close to that. Like I don't

646
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: want to speak entirely for my own sister, but it

647
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: always felt like she and I were like against the world,

648
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, and not like each other. And you know,

649
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's because you know, we're the

650
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: children of immigrants or something like that, but you know, that's.

651
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: How we operated.

652
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean, we fought, We had like, you know, some

653
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: kind of like epic battles once in a while, but

654
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: it was never like this. It was never like, you know,

655
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm sabotaging your life because I'm pissed off that you're,

656
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, a star and I'm not or something.

657
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: So you're what you're saying is you would never dump

658
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 4: your sister out of a wheelchair and then kick her

659
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 4: to like have to death for trying to use the phone.

660
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: No, I would not. I certainly would not.

661
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, like, like this movie like is kind

662
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: of that thing too, where like it is about show business.

663
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: It is about like people who grew up in the

664
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: world of show business and.

665
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: How age is such a factor and how the tides

666
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: turn all the time for people, and you know, they're

667
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: both like unable to like really process all of this stuff.

668
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: You know.

669
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too like psychological about this

670
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: film because, like I said, it's a joy.

671
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 2: This movie is a joy to watch, and even though.

672
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: You're watching these people do horrible things to each other,

673
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: it's a horror movie.

674
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: It's entertainment.

675
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: And I also don't want to, you know, say, I'm

676
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: not trying to get into the psychology of these two

677
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: characters too much, because the reason why people love it

678
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: is because this is like the most devilicious film ever.

679
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: It's the two women who were.

680
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: At the top of their game, they like ran Hollywood

681
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: and now they're like in this film together.

682
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: And it's a really interesting outlet for like the real

683
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 4: world relationship that they had. Yeah, the choice for both

684
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 4: of them to be in this film, I think is

685
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: a fascinating one because it's like, huh, I do want

686
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 4: to kind of understand the psychology of that a little bit,

687
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: where they're each choosing these roles where they can each

688
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 4: be viewed as sympathetic characters at different points in the movie.

689
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: And I just I dug it.

690
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: I really like this movie, and I think there are

691
00:35:53,680 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 4: of course some classic lines like this one Jeha in

692
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: that Chance, But I think that you know what makes

693
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: this movie fun and interesting to me is that it

694
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 4: is it's a look at these two women who are

695
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: not who are in the sunset of their lives, and

696
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 4: the complicated family relationships and dynamics that go along with that,

697
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: the being forced into care for each other because the

698
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: dynamic has shifted so intensely for them over their lives.

699
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: It's not as if one was famous, became more famous

700
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: and then petered out. It was a real balancing of

701
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 4: the scales, and that the braddy precocious one eventually was

702
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 4: outed for being untalented and addicted to alcohol while Blanche

703
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 4: was on the rise. And she is beloved like her

704
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 4: neighbors love her. People in the neighborhood know that she

705
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 4: lives in this home. But Jane has forced her into

706
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 4: being a recluse, so she can't even enjoy the fame

707
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 4: that people are now rediscovering because of television, or she

708
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 4: can't enjoy the fame of just being remembered. Her sister

709
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: wants her to be forgotten and tucks her away so

710
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 4: that she can still maintain this glimmer of a fantasy

711
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 4: that she is going to be more famous again even

712
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 4: though it's never gonna happen.

713
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so much of this movie like is the

714
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: setup for the genre, right, because like I said before,

715
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: there's so many like there's so many sort of tropes

716
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: that are in this film that would be seen in

717
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: all these other psychopannic movies like you know within, like

718
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: Hush Hush, Sweet Charlotte, and like you know, Berserk, like

719
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: Joan Crawford's you Know Later movies, like you know, all

720
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: the stuff that like kind of became the genre, right,

721
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: And like I said, the ridiculousness for me and why

722
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: I can sort of laugh at something like this and

723
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: find this very campy and funny and enjoyable is because

724
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: the ridiculousness of the idea that that older women this

725
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. It's just basically like Hollywood's version of

726
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: what they think like older women do with each other,

727
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: which is that they're just like, we fucking hate each

728
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: other because we're old and ugly or something. And I'm

729
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: just like, and we're and we have contempt for anybody else.

730
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: That's like, you know, happy and thriving older.

731
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 4: Women just lock themselves in their homes and battle it

732
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 4: out to the death. Whoever comes out of that is

733
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 4: the winner. Like that's what they.

734
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 3: Think we do.

735
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: We just reach a certain age where we go into

736
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: a house and beat the shit out of each other.

737
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: Yes, glory exactly because if you look, okay, if you

738
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: look at the story like point blank, you are looking

739
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: at a very dysfunctional relationship. But like, part of, like

740
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: I said, part of how I can process this movie

741
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: and find it funny and find it entertaining is just

742
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: the absurdity of the plot and the absurdity of the

743
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: concept of like, you know, two older women just like yeah,

744
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: wanting to kill each other and honestly that that is

745
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: I've developed that sense of humor in my life, because

746
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: if I didn't, I would be fucking bummed as shit.

747
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: Watching a movie like this. I'd be like, god damn.

748
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: But this is like how you know, we learn to

749
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: process information is that sometimes, like you know, the best

750
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: thing to do is is to take the power away

751
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: from the message and to make it like a like

752
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: it's over the top, like in a way that sort

753
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: of like talks about I mean, I talked about.

754
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: Like Betty's able sort of looking.

755
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, she's wearing crazy makeup in these crazy outfits

756
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: and she's like screaming and flit and you know, like

757
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: she's got this like really rugged, mean, terse voice. And

758
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: this is just something that you know, I have loved,

759
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: like I've over the years, I have loved a character

760
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: or like a woman who's basically like I don't give

761
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: a shit what you think of me.

762
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm gonna double down and be gross as fuck.

763
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: And this is how I'm going to take the power

764
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: away from whatever narrative, this is, whatever whatever the industry

765
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: is telling me I should be doing in this movie.

766
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 4: So I mean, I love it, you know, I love

767
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 4: this film too, And I think what's wild is that

768
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 4: she definitely is to me her real self with her sister,

769
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: because she is that kind of rugged, mean person with Blanche.

770
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 4: But as soon as Edwin comes on the scene, it's

771
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: like a man a man, you know, it's kind of

772
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 4: make that like that energy of like I can reclaim

773
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 4: my former glory and she's too much herself, like she'll

774
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: never be that that little performing kid again. And I

775
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 4: just I love I love seeing that, Like I like

776
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 4: how this movie takes a very campy approach to what

777
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 4: could be a very dismal scene, very dismal storyline.

778
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I don't know, I feel it

779
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: feels like to me like this film is championed and

780
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: beloved by like gay men and women like the psychopatic

781
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: genre like I talked about in episode seventeen, And I

782
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: think it's because we love women like this.

783
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: We love women who.

784
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: Are forceful and our presence and are commanding and they're

785
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: doing the damn thing and they're like, you know, being loud,

786
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: taking up space, like they're older, they're you know, they're

787
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: not the young onge news. And because of that, society

788
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: and the industry that they work in has decided that

789
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: they're not valuable, and everybody who loves this kind of

790
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: stuff is like fuck that.

791
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: And to me.

792
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: That is why I love this movie and why I

793
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: thought this would be good for this theme, because it's like, yeah,

794
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: I mean, if you get down.

795
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: To breast as, it's a complicated relationship.

796
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: But also like we're seeing it as a film and

797
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: what the film does within the genre, within the the

798
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: time period that it was made, you know, like it's

799
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: interesting and I just I just love it. And honestly, man,

800
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that I didn't grow up in show business.

801
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: I'm really glad that my sister and my art hill

802
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: as fuck. Yeah. This is the classic example of like

803
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: warring sisters and wow.

804
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they each wish that the other was never

805
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 4: born and at various times in their.

806
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: Lives exactly, it's like back and forth exactly.

807
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: There are some real heartbreaking scenes here too, Like I

808
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 4: just wanna I don't want to dwell on it too much,

809
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 4: but I think that it's heartbreaking the way Jane goes

810
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 4: around town asking people do you know who I am?

811
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 4: Or do you remember who I am? And I'm like,

812
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 4: oh girl, give it up. Nobody remembers we got electricity now,

813
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 4: like nobody knows that you were gangle jangling in these like.

814
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 3: Candle it theater. It's sad, it's sad. And then there's

815
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: also these.

816
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 4: Sad moments where she's looking in a mirror and singing

817
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 4: the song that she used to sing as a kid,

818
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 4: and her voice is gone. It is I'm shot, and

819
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 4: even to the tune where even Blanche upstairs cocks her

820
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 4: head and is like, I'm sorry, what.

821
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: What are you trying to sing?

822
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: I love Victor Bodo's face when she when she starts singing,

823
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: He's just like.

824
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: He's got that like look on his face. It's like,

825
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: oh boy, I got myself another fine one, didn't.

826
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 4: I Ah, it's so good.

827
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: It's so good.

828
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 4: Definitely worth a watch if you haven't seen it before,

829
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 4: or if you haven't seen it in a while. It

830
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: is think of when you watch it this time. Think

831
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: of it with the theme of I wish you were

832
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 4: never born in mind.

833
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: It is Uh.

834
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: I'm glad I was able to watch it again. I

835
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: hope you all.

836
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: Liked it too.

837
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 4: Oh well, we're gonna get into I think it's safe

838
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 4: to say in my movies.

839
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 3: A little bit different from whatever happened to baby.

840
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: A little bit, I would say a little different. Yeah.

841
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 4: So my film for the theme of I Wish You

842
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: Were Never born is Hereditary, which was released in twenty

843
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 4: eighteen and was written and directed by Ari Astor. My

844
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 4: mother was a very secretive and private woman.

845
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: Thanks Grandma. You know you were her favorite, right even

846
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: when you're a little baby.

847
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 5: She wouldn't let me feed you because she needed to Fiji.

848
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: She was a very difficult woman, which maybe explains me.

849
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: I can't believe you watched this movie with your mom.

850
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: That is still I'm never gonna stop crying about this.

851
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: I know.

852
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: I truly went in blind, like I had obviously heard

853
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: of this movie.

854
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: I've obviously heard about ari Astor.

855
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: You know, I remember when Midsummer came out like it

856
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: was all the rage. But I truly didn't know what

857
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: this movie was going to be about. Like I just thought, Okay, well,

858
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: Daniel's picked it for this theme, so I might have an.

859
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: Inkling, but let's just watch it with my mom and

860
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: see what happens.

861
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: And hmmm, yes, what happened?

862
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 4: Was your mom now has a lot of questions about

863
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 4: this podcast. She's said that, yes, well, Hereditary premiered at

864
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 4: the Sundance Film Festival to wild acclaim it was very

865
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 4: successful film. I think it was made for ten million,

866
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 4: and it grows like eighty million dollars. And again I

867
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: watched it for the first time, you know, last year

868
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 4: started the pandemic and just didn't sleep for a week.

869
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 4: It was mesmerizing. I think that the actors in this

870
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 4: film are incredible. You have Tony Collette playing Annie Graham.

871
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: She is the mother of the family. She's married to

872
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 4: Gabriel Byrne. You play Steve Alex Wolfe as I didn't

873
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 4: know who he was, and he's apparently apparently he was

874
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 4: on a Nickelodeon show called The Naked Band. But he's

875
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 4: so incredible in this movie that I was like, who

876
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 4: is that? Like, where did he come from? Absolutely stunning

877
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: in this film, as is Millie Shapiro who plays Charlie,

878
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 4: his younger sister. And Milli Shapiro was the original Matilda

879
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 4: in the Broadway Matilda, you know, the Broadway Matilda's. It's

880
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: not like the house that Matilda's. She was the original

881
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 4: Matilda in the Broadway Matilda, and I just find her

882
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 4: unbelievably fascinating to watch, Like she's very captivating. He's very

883
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 4: captivating actress.

884
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 3: So we come into this film.

885
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: At the start of this film, Annie's mother, Ellen has died,

886
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 4: Ellen Taperley. She died she was seventy eight. She had

887
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 4: lived with Annie at the end before hospice, and again

888
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: she's the major of this family, and she's also a

889
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 4: secret weirdos in more ways than you care to discover.

890
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 4: So after she dies, very strange things start happening and

891
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 4: all hell breaks loose. I know, I say that all

892
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 4: the time could not be more apt for this film.

893
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 4: And this is where I'm going to give a little

894
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 4: disclaimer a couple of things. If you want to see

895
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 4: this movie and you have not seen it yet, I

896
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 4: don't know that you can listen to this part of

897
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 4: the show because there is the second disclaimer. There is

898
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 4: a scene that happens about thirty minutes into this film

899
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 4: that sets off the trajectory for the rest of the film,

900
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 4: and I cannot help but spoil it because the rest

901
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 4: of the film revolves around this moment. Also another another disclaimer.

902
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 4: It's pretty gory in certain parts in ways that I

903
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 4: cannot describe.

904
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: So just some warnings for you.

905
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 4: I don't want anyone to go into this thinking, you know,

906
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 4: I will never forgive you for making me wash this

907
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: the way Millie now does. But I think it's worth

908
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 4: saying because this is the beauty of this film for me,

909
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: and I think part of the reason I thought about

910
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 4: it so much after I saw it is that I

911
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 4: cannot remember the last time a horror film made me

912
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,479
Speaker 4: actually scared in like a psychological thriller kind of way,

913
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 4: because I don't like the carnage and the gore horror,

914
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 4: and this doesn't. This film is very, very differently structured

915
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 4: from anything I've seen, and I know it took the

916
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 4: director a really long time. He I've read interviews with

917
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 4: him where he said he, you know, he thought about

918
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 4: this movie for a number of years before it ever

919
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: came to light. And you can tell there's a lot

920
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 4: of thoughtful details in my second or third watching, you know,

921
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 4: I think that this is there are things you pick

922
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 4: up as you watch that are fascinating and real indicative

923
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 4: of what is to come. But also again, these small

924
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 4: I guess i'll call them corner moments, like these things

925
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 4: that kind of happen off screen in a smaller way

926
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 4: that just you can kind of pick up and notice

927
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 4: actually inform a lot of the decisions that are remade

928
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: in the film by the characters. So just to get

929
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 4: into this a little bit, We've got Annie who's a

930
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 4: miniature artist, which is really cool. There's actually an incredible

931
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 4: opening scene where you're seeing one of her miniature houses

932
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 4: and it is a replica of her actual house that

933
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 4: her family's currently living in, and then you zoom in

934
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 4: on this bedroom and it becomes Peter, her son's actual bedroom,

935
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: and I just love that kind of that's the kind

936
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 4: of detail I'm talking about, like you just kind of

937
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 4: get these small moments that change the emotion of the

938
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 4: scene without you even noticing it. But we open on

939
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: Ellen's funeral and we get a little bit of the

940
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 4: family dynamic revealed here. So we learn that Charlie is

941
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 4: allergic to nuts, that Annie isn't really emoting in the

942
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 4: wake of her mother's death, and at the funeral itself,

943
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 4: she's talking about like all of these strange new friends

944
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 4: that she's seeing in the audience because her mom was

945
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 4: very difficult and private. So we're just setting a little

946
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: bit of a scene at this funeral. And Gabriel Burne,

947
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 4: you know, he's a super supportive dad and husband in

948
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 4: this movie, he's just you know, he's a psychiatrist and

949
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 4: he's just taken it all in stride. And then as

950
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 4: Annie's looking through a box of Ellen's stuff, she finds

951
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 4: a book called Notes on Spiritualism with a note tucked

952
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 4: inside that her mother has written to her. And the

953
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 4: note is half apology about all things inherited and half

954
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 4: more cryptic than I can't even begin to it. It's

955
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: just very cryptic. It's a very cryptic message tucked into

956
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 4: this book. And then her grave is desecrated, so we're

957
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 4: off with a bang, Off with a bang Charlie. Meanwhile,

958
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 4: Charlie's on her own trip and what's really happening here

959
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 4: in the beginning, And in the first time I saw

960
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 4: this film, I thought, oh, we're watching a family go

961
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 4: through all these different stages of grief and they're grieving singularly,

962
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 4: they're not grieving as a unit. And that was interesting

963
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 4: to me that you know, usually see families come together

964
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 4: in times of grief when on film, and this is

965
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 4: just people kind of having their own experience. But it's

966
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 4: much deeper than that. So Charlie's on her own trip.

967
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 4: For example, when a bird flies into her classroom window,

968
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 4: she just grabs a pair of scissors and snips.

969
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: Its head off.

970
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 4: Mmmmm, Charlie's just on her way to becoming like the

971
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 4: goth queen of that town.

972
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: So you're saying that she would be like super tight

973
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: with like Mikey and Sandy from the Ice Storm got

974
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: that intensity.

975
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 4: The three of them would form a band, and the

976
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 4: band would just be all of them standing on stage

977
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 4: and staring at the crowd, no instruments, no sound.

978
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: And destroying destroying toys.

979
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 4: Just blowing shit up, cutting hands off a live animal

980
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 4: and lighting molecules in the air like it. Yeah, they

981
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 4: would get along famously. Yeah. And in the midst of this,

982
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 4: like you know, Charlie again off on her own trip.

983
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 4: Annie goes to a group therapy session where we learn

984
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: some very important things about her. First of all, Ellen

985
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 4: her mother had dissociative identity disorder and dementia. Her dad

986
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 4: starved himself to death because he was a psychotic depressive,

987
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 4: and her brother committed suicide. He was schizophrenic and left

988
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 4: a note blaming her mom, blaming their mom for putting

989
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 4: people inside of him.

990
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 3: So she was.

991
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 4: Estranged from her mother for a long time and didn't

992
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 4: really reconnect until Charlie was born, and Steve insisted that

993
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 4: you know, she reconnect with her mother, but this is

994
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 4: the family she's dealing with, where everyone is either dead

995
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 4: or dealing with a severe mental health issue, and she

996
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 4: has this real distance from her mother as a result.

997
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 4: But she's good with her own kids, Like I feel

998
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 4: like she's close to her kids. You can see a

999
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: little bit of tension in the family, particularly with Peter.

1000
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 4: But Peter's look, he's a teenage boy. He gets invited

1001
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 4: to this party after someone texts him, bring your dick,

1002
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 4: which is now how I'm inviting everyone to everything.

1003
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 3: Meet me at the park, bring your dick, I now

1004
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 3: my calling.

1005
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 2: And then what I saw when.

1006
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: They shows up at the party and I'm like, wow,

1007
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: this house is real fancy.

1008
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: And white and like modern.

1009
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, hopefully that it was like that moment

1010
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: of the ice storm to talk about the ice worm again,

1011
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: where it's like basically like don't ruin the linens, like like,

1012
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: this is a very pristine house.

1013
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: You're showing up with your with your dick too.

1014
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: So this house has a roth Go hanging in the

1015
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 4: in the foyer, so made me comment down and at

1016
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 4: this party, Annie insists that he brings Charlie, like he

1017
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 4: asked to use the car, and she's like, okay, cool

1018
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 4: if you bring your thirteen.

1019
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 3: Year old sister.

1020
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 4: And he's like, I'm sorry what, I didn't realize we're

1021
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 4: bargaining here. Damn.

1022
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: I felt that shit. I felt that shit.

1023
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: I was like my mom, that was the last thing

1024
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: she said to me every time. I love the house,

1025
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: you bring your sister. And I'm like, no, why did

1026
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: she do that? Why do parents do that?

1027
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 4: It's because it's like, if one of you's out of here,

1028
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 4: I want peace and quiet and all of you have

1029
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 4: to go.

1030
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, come on, this is like a time

1031
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: where like parents did not want their kids around.

1032
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 2: I just wanted them to go outside. You're going anywhere

1033
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: that's not here, Bring your sister, give me And.

1034
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 4: He's like, look, I got some grieving to attempt and

1035
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 4: might not get there, but you got to bring your sister.

1036
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: And let me try it.

1037
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, well he does.

1038
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 4: He takes Charlie to this party and because he's trying to,

1039
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 4: you know, get high with his crush in a bedroom,

1040
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 4: he's like, hey, Charlie, how about you hang out here. Look,

1041
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 4: they're making cake. Why don't you have a piece of cake?

1042
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 4: So he goes in the bedroom to get high with

1043
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 4: this crush. Charlie eats a piece of cake and it

1044
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 4: is chock full of nuts, which we know because early

1045
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 4: on in this scene we see a girl recklessly chopping

1046
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 4: nuts like Edward Scissorhands before he was fully human, when

1047
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 4: he was just like the torso with the conveyor belt.

1048
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 4: And she's like, Larry, exactly, yeah, I'm sorry, is this

1049
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 4: how we cook? Now?

1050
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: Well that was a big okay, it finally made sense

1051
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: clearly after the fact that I was basically like, who

1052
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: the hell is this teenage girl out here with a

1053
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: cutting board and like again to chopping nuts at like

1054
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: a stoner party. I'm like, this is some elevated teenage shit.

1055
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I haven't been a teenager in a long time,

1056
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: but I'm like, if I never saw people doing like

1057
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: culinary arts, I'm like, damn, what the hell is.

1058
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 3: Going on here?

1059
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 4: This is a house full of hockneys, like they got

1060
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: they make cakes at their parties apparently, So there's this

1061
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 4: cake that shows up, Charlie eats it. My thought was

1062
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 4: this cake is probably laced with fucking marijuana.

1063
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: That's what I thought was going to happen. Oh, it

1064
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,479
Speaker 3: gets so much worse.

1065
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 4: And this is one of the disclaimers where again, this

1066
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 4: is a great, big event that happens that propels the

1067
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 4: rest of the film. Just need you to know that

1068
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 4: what happens is Charlie can't breathe. She says, her throat's

1069
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 4: getting big. She finally goes and gets Peter after trying

1070
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 4: to drink water and you know, kind of get her

1071
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 4: way through it on her own.

1072
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 3: She goes and gets Peter.

1073
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 4: He realizes she can't Breathe carries her to the car,

1074
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 4: and while Charlie is hanging her head out of the

1075
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 4: window trying to catch her breath and Peter is speeding

1076
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 4: to get to the hospital, he swerves to avoid something

1077
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 4: in the road and she is decapitated by a phone pole.

1078
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 4: She's decapitated by a phone pole. Man, it was the

1079
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 4: most intensely shocking thing I have seen on screen in

1080
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 4: a very long time. Did not expect any of that

1081
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 4: to happen. So when that moment happens, and again, the

1082
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 4: whole rest of the film is propelled by this moment.

1083
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 4: So Peter's in shock. He drives home and goes to

1084
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 4: bed without saying anything, so that the next morning, Annie

1085
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 4: finds Charlie's headless body in the backseat of her car. Imagine, no,

1086
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 4: I can't, I can't. I thought that that whole The

1087
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 4: way that whole scene was crafted around shock and extended

1088
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 4: grief was so interesting to me. And the fact that

1089
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 4: when you listen to Tony Collett cry in this scene

1090
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 4: and say, I just I can't be alive. I need

1091
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 4: to be dead, and she's just wailing and wailing and wailing,

1092
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: it is I don't usually think of crying as acting,

1093
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 4: you know, I just I just cry all the time.

1094
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 4: It's not really acting, but it is such perb acting

1095
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 4: from her across this film, like throughout this film, but

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00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 4: that moment in particular, I felt it like in my heart.

1097
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 4: And at this point Annie kind of wishes she was

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00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 4: never born.

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00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding.

1100
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 4: But from this moment on, Peter is just in shock

1101
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 4: and grief. He has like a panic attack, smoking pot

1102
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 4: under the bleachers, He like shakes visibly whenever he has

1103
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 4: to walk into his own house. And he hears Charlie

1104
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 4: she always did this little tongue click, and he hears

1105
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 4: her tongue clicks. So this is of course something that

1106
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 4: sends Annie back to group therapy, her grief therapy session,

1107
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 4: but she can't really go in.

1108
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 3: She can't go in.

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00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 4: So in the parking lot she meets Anne Dowd who

1110
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 4: plays this character named Joan, and Joan's like, hey, I

1111
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 4: get you. My grandson and my son just drowned, and

1112
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 4: Annie's like, oh, I'm sorry, like it just kind of

1113
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 4: pops around of her own grief for a minute, but

1114
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 4: she agrees to meet Joan in her apartment. And here's

1115
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 4: where we get a little bit more of Annie's story

1116
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 4: because Annie is a sleepwalker and there was an incident

1117
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 4: where she covered her kids in paint thinner and only

1118
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 4: woke up while she was striking a match. So of

1119
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: course this explained some of the tension between her and Peter,

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Speaker 4: because in his eyes, his mother tried to burn him

1121
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 4: a lot and now he's responsible for the death of

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00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 4: his sister. So Annie's processing this on her own. She's

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00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 4: making minis of the accident scene. There is a very

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00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 4: intense dinner scene where Peter again is like almost catatonic.

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Speaker 4: It is like, just say what you got to say,

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00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 4: and she does and it's this outpouring of real emotion

1127
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 4: that borders on vitriol, but it's such pure emotion where

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Speaker 4: you're finally seeing her say the things that mothers never

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00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 4: get to say.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that was like the part my mom and

1131
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: I just kind of looked at it each other.

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01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: Okay, got it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, because in this scene, it's like Annie wishes

1134
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 4: Peter was never born. Steve wishes he was never born

1135
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 4: at this point, like dog as he's out of there.

1136
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 4: The Dog's like, I am shaped like too much of

1137
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 4: a bread loaf to take any of this shit on.

1138
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: I can't do it.

1139
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 4: So this is the kind of energy going in for

1140
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 4: Annie when she runs into Joan again and Joan basically

1141
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 4: tells her, Hey, I'm feeling great. I met this spiritual

1142
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 4: medium and I can communicate with my dead grandson. And again,

1143
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 4: like when I truly become middle aged, I either want

1144
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 4: to become this woman or befriend this woman. Maybe in retirement,

1145
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 4: I just want people around me who are like you

1146
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 4: say hi to at a grocery store and they're like.

1147
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I met a spiritual spiritual media.

1148
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 4: I'm talking to my dead husband Mark want to hang

1149
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 4: out like I love that kind of shit.

1150
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 3: I know.

1151
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: My mom was basically like, why is she touching her

1152
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: so much in the park? You know, she's basically like,

1153
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, putting her hands all over Tony Collect's body.

1154
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 1: And my mom just was like, damn, what is going

1155
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: on there? And I'm like, I guess we're gonna find out.

1156
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: Maybe she's just touchy feeling. Maybe this is what you

1157
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: know when you have spiritual awakening. Suddenly you just like,

1158
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,959
Speaker 1: you know, you just can't keep.

1159
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 4: Her hands off people. You're like, oh my god, incredible.

1160
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 4: Well Joan is in it, and Joan basically is like,

1161
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 4: you should also do this, You should try this. She

1162
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 4: gives her a pamphlet or like this kind of sheet

1163
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 4: of paper and she's like, I don't know what language

1164
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 4: it is, but you just have to say every word.

1165
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something. If you don't know the language,

1166
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 4: don't fuck with the book, because you know that opens

1167
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 4: the portal to hell. Have you not seen any horror movies?

1168
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's like watch the Evil Dead, and that's

1169
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: everything you need to know about these damn evil books.

1170
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, leave them alone, man, don't talk the ancient language.

1171
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 4: And she leave them alone, but she does Annie again

1172
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 4: in her grief, and in this she's having nightmare, she's

1173
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 4: having visions, like she goes home and tries to contact

1174
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 4: Charlie using her sketch book as a link, because Charlie

1175
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 4: was always sketching things, and she forces her family to

1176
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 4: join in this seance. And I'm not joking when I

1177
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 4: say that everything from this point on is a spoiler.

1178
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 4: So I cannot discuss this because in this particular instance,

1179
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 4: I feel like you should watch this movie and it

1180
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 4: should come as a surprise to you everything that happens after.

1181
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 4: But I will say that this is the exact kind

1182
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 4: of horror film I absolutely love. Like I said, you

1183
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 4: don't know what's going to happen next. There are moments

1184
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 4: of pure shock and the ending is more bizarre than

1185
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 4: I could have ever imagined.

1186
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: Oh man, no kidding.

1187
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 3: I do love this movie. I think it's fantastic.

1188
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 4: I think he's that this is a director who has

1189
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 4: like a very specific eye for storytelling, and I do

1190
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 4: appreciate that a lot.

1191
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is again a first watch for me, and

1192
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, it was, like I said, with New Horror,

1193
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm always very like on the fence about it, and

1194
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: that's just my opinion. It's probably because I just watched

1195
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: so much old horror all the time that I'm like, oh,

1196
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: new horror. Oh I forgot that. That's that's a thing

1197
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: too write. But there's a lot of good new horror

1198
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: out there, and I have seen good ones. But for

1199
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: the most part, like you know, to me, I feel

1200
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: like there was I had a lot of questions about

1201
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: this movie, and I think part of it was that

1202
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't exactly sure what I was seeing a lot

1203
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: of the time, and I was trying to like I

1204
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: knew it was going to be the kind of thing

1205
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: where it's.

1206
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: One of those movies where you're like, you feel like you.

1207
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: Have to pay attention to everything because everything is going

1208
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: to be a clue for something later in the film.

1209
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: Because the way it's paced, it's like it's I don't

1210
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: know where they filmed it.

1211
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: It's like in this town.

1212
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 3: My mom and I were.

1213
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: Asking those questions. We were like, where did they film this?

1214
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: Where's the middle of the woods? I was like, is

1215
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: this new Canan Connecticut? Honestly, I didn't know. It looks

1216
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: like Colorado to me or like parts of Canada. Yeah,

1217
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: there was a very like it felt very desolate. I

1218
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: mean obviously because he's driving to a hospital and it's

1219
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: far away from where the party is, so I was

1220
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: kind of like, where are they? And that was part

1221
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: of I think the setup for the film and the

1222
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: sense that it made you feel like you were. It

1223
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, here's this like kind of cozy, old

1224
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: school ish house in the middle of nowhere, and there's

1225
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: this like tense family in it, and there's all this

1226
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: like weird thing, like there's an attic, there's like boxing

1227
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: things and old books, and you're like, Okay, I have

1228
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: to pay attention to literally everything because I feel like

1229
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: it's going to make me understand what's about to happen.

1230
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, honestly a lot of.

1231
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 1: That that can exhaust me from time to time where

1232
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm just sort of.

1233
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 2: Like, okay, now, what is everything?

1234
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 3: A clue?

1235
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: Like what am I doing? It's kind of like how

1236
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: you are with heist films. You're just like there's so

1237
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: much info to.

1238
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 4: No who's the tinker, who's the tailor, who's the soldier,

1239
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 4: who's this bye?

1240
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 2: But you know, I think I think when it when.

1241
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: It finally happens, like when you finally get to the

1242
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: moments of the story, unraveling. It is scary as ship,

1243
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: Like you're just like, yoh, fuck, Like this is like

1244
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: really creepy.

1245
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 2: And and that's effective.

1246
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: I mean that was That's That's a good horror movie

1247
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: to me, is something that really can freak you the

1248
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: fuck out.

1249
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, this movie freaked me the fuck out. I'm

1250
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 4: so sorry you watched it with your mom, Please apologize

1251
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 4: on my behalf.

1252
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 2: Listen.

1253
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: She was actually like it wasn't as scary as I

1254
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna be. And I was like, yeah, yeah.

1255
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 4: You're like, the real thear is the relationship with the

1256
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 4: mother and her daughter.

1257
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: Well yeah, to that point though, it's it is that

1258
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of thing where I think that I certainly felt

1259
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: sorry for Peter, like I mean, honestly, when it comes

1260
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: down to it, like I think the part of the

1261
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: sadness of the story, or the horror of the story

1262
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: is the idea that his relationship with his mom is

1263
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: so tense and so fucked up that you're just sort

1264
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: of like, how how is it.

1265
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: Gonna play out?

1266
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, Like especially in that dinner scene

1267
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: where she does like literally tell him like she just

1268
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: goes off and you're like, oh my god, like how

1269
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: is he supposed to process this and how is this

1270
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: gonna how are they get to exist together? Because honestly,

1271
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: that was more of the horror for me, was that

1272
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: sort of the horror of people who are enduring so

1273
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: much pain and trauma, right, you know that now it's

1274
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: being manifested through the generations and it's kind of like

1275
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: they're transferring it to other family members and you know,

1276
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: and it's that's the horror to me, is that part.

1277
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 4: I'm right there with you, it is, And it is true.

1278
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 4: It's like he's already there's already such a fraught relationship

1279
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 4: between them because he thinks she tried to kill him,

1280
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 4: and now that he has killed his sister, how do

1281
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 4: you recover from that?

1282
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 3: There's no there's no bounce back.

1283
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,479
Speaker 1: I mean, there are the scary horror movie moments for sure,

1284
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: Like you know, there's like creepy shit in the background,

1285
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: and there's attic drama, which is always creepy, but in

1286
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: a treehouse with a red glowing window, Like, yeah, there's

1287
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: some good creep moments here.

1288
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 4: But I think if you like horror, if you like thrillers,

1289
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 4: if you'd like to be freaked the fuck out, this

1290
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 4: is a great film for you to watch.

1291
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know, be aware that if you watch

1292
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: it with your mother that it might bring some questions

1293
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: up afterwards.

1294
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: But I'm glad you picked it, honestly.

1295
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't know if I would have necessarily seen

1296
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: this movie if you hadn't picked it.

1297
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: And that's what I love about this podcast exactly.

1298
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of stuff I would never have watched.

1299
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 4: And loved yep, and then the way we were but

1300
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 4: it's okay. I loved it for its own reason. I

1301
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 4: loved it for the feelings it drummed up in me.

1302
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I'm full of age.

1303
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I and again like I love that

1304
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: you had to lot to say about this movie. That's

1305
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: what makes it interesting is to like hear your hear

1306
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: your take on it. So thank you, thank you.

1307
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna wrap it up.

1308
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 4: Do you want to tell the folks, uh how they

1309
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 4: can get in touch with us? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure sure.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: First of all, we have an email address is I

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Speaker 1: Saw What You Did Pod at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 4: You can also find us on our socials at I

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Speaker 4: Saw Pod on Instagram and Twitter.

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Speaker 1: We've also got merch merch merch merch in the exactly

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Speaker 1: Right shop, and that's at Exactlyrightmedia dot com.

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Speaker 4: And if you want even more from us after all that,

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Speaker 4: we've got a whole bunch of bonus episodes up at

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Speaker 4: Sitch your Premium, you can still use the promo code

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Speaker 4: SAW for.

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Speaker 2: A free month three months.

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Speaker 3: What about next week?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, next week? Holy crap, our movies next week?

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Speaker 1: Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 2: The films are.

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Speaker 1: Muriel's Wedding from nineteen ninety four and ghost World from

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Speaker 1: two thousand and one.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, I guess the theme.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but these are bangers and you can't get

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Speaker 1: any better than that.

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Speaker 2: Guess the thing?

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Speaker 3: Maybe.

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Speaker 4: Look, we already have the title for next week's episode,

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Speaker 4: and it's bangers all around.

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Speaker 2: It's absolute fire films. Watch them.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for listening with us, Thank you for being

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Speaker 4: great people to talk about movies with.

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Speaker 2: We love it all right, see you next week.

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Speaker 4: Fine, This has been an exactly right production. Our producers

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Speaker 4: Alexis a Marissi, Our engineers Annalise Nelson. Our social media

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Speaker 4: manager is Tarren maziv. Our theme song is by Tom

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Speaker 4: bry Fogel. Artwork by Garrett Ross, our executive producers are

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Speaker 4: Georgia Hartstark, Karen Tilgareth and Danielle Kramer. Follow us on

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Speaker 4: Instagram and Twitter at I saw pod email us, I

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Speaker 4: saw what you did pod at Gmail, And please don't

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Speaker 4: forget to listen, subscribe, leave us a review on Apple Podcast,

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Speaker 4: Stitcher or wherever you listen.

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Speaker 3: But you are Blanche. You are in that chair.