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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid verbal hell that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Solid Rouble Boys and Girls. My

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Speaker 3: name is ty Hildenbrandt. That guy over there be incomparable

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Speaker 3: Dan Rubinsteed in the heart of the Midwest, Sir, how

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Speaker 3: are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm good, especially excited for the show. We have not

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Speaker 2: had this guest on for a long time. You've already

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Speaker 2: seen the title of the show, so you know it's

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Speaker 2: the Athletics Bruce Feldman. I haven't physically, I mean obviously

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Speaker 2: because of COVID, Like you don't see the people that

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Speaker 2: been on the road obviously, and I don't live in

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Speaker 1: So it's good to see these guys.

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Speaker 2: Because we have this video component for our Patreon supporters

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Speaker 2: at verballers dot com, it's good to at least see

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Speaker 2: them on video. So I'm excited to have Bruce on.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to catch up and this is this is

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Speaker 2: bread and butter time for Bruce, Bruce Feldman the Athletic,

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Speaker 2: so it is. I'm thrilled to have him on, thrilled

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Speaker 2: to pick his brain. And as soon as we finish,

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Speaker 2: Pietz's going in the oven. It's a good little afternoon.

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Speaker 3: And Bruce's coming on on short notice, which we always

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Speaker 3: appreciate his time. We've known Bruce for as long as

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Speaker 3: we've done this podcast. He's always been more than generous

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Speaker 3: with his time, and as you said, yeah, it is

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Speaker 3: kind of his time to shine. Being so he is

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Speaker 3: so connected in the coaching ranks, We're gonna try and

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Speaker 3: do our best to go through as much of the

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Speaker 3: we know, at least the people who write into us

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Speaker 3: are very curious as to where this whole thing's gonna

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Speaker 3: end up. The coaching carousel spinning ever so chaotically here

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Speaker 3: and we're not even in the offseason yet, no, just

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Speaker 3: towards the latter bit of the twenty twenty one football season.

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Speaker 3: So we'll talk to Bruce of the Athletic here. Momentarily,

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Speaker 3: Dan mentioned for Ballers dot com. That's where you can

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Speaker 2: After he was drafted by Washington and was great, was

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Speaker 1: It looks very cool.

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Speaker 2: Do you know that I have a Bruce Feldman theory

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Speaker 2: that's not the Bruce Feldman body blow theory, but I

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Speaker 2: I have a theory that, like when Bruce retires from

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Speaker 3: All right, Dan joining us now our longtime friend from

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Speaker 3: the athletic from Fox Sports. It's Bruce Felman. Bruce Dan

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Speaker 3: and I were talking before we hit record here about

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Speaker 3: was last year when we did a rewatch of Miami

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Speaker 4: Both remember the game. I'd like to say, I remember this.

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Speaker 1: We did to rewatch.

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Speaker 5: I was, Yeah, that part, I definitely remember, okay, and

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Speaker 5: I remember thinking, man, I just lost a lot of

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, your book history. We can talk about that,

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Speaker 2: your book history. Like I don't know if this is

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Speaker 4: That's like seven on the fight. That's I lost it.

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Speaker 5: And so I remember thinking in that context, I'm like, whoa,

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Speaker 4: And it turned out they still want to do the book. No.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're all good stories, they're all worthy of books.

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Speaker 2: They're all good books. I don't mean to put you

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Speaker 4: This, by the way a quick one.

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Speaker 4: So Seth Wickersham, you guys know who that is, right?

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Speaker 5: But Seth gets married and yeah where he's from. So

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Speaker 5: I'm there with my wife. I don't even know if

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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, that's good.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why I would be worth concerned that

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Speaker 4: The only thing is he has no short term memory.

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Speaker 5: I was like, what, So my book is about to

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Speaker 5: This sounded like something you'd see on like a soap opera. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Honestly, this is something on me.

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Speaker 2: Bruce Felman season is November, December, January. You know, obviously

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Speaker 4: I think it is a new reality.

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Speaker 5: Much like recruiting, the clock kept on getting early and earlier.

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Speaker 5: I think that's going to happen with coaching carousel stuff.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's crazy because Clay Helton was fired in

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Speaker 5: Dave Randa was not really a consideration. He was four

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Speaker 5: and I think it's just because there's so much of

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Speaker 4: But in the case of that, it's a little more understandable.

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Speaker 5: But you're going to see some really weird dynamics because

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Speaker 5: He makes you know, low six figures, which goes great

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Speaker 5: That is a good question, you know, like Michigan State,

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Speaker 5: I mean, Matt Campbell, as we're taping this is six

440
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 5: and four. They play at Oklahoma. There's a really good

441
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Speaker 5: chance that that best will be seven and five. That

442
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Speaker 5: I mean, is that a splashy hire? Like NFL people

443
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 5: like him a lot of You know, if us he

444
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 5: hired Matt Campbell, I'd be like, that's a really good hire.

445
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 4: I'm of it now.

446
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,479
Speaker 5: I know there's going to be some people are going

447
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 5: to be like, yeah, can he recruit out here? I

448
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 5: think there'll be that same question can you recruit in

449
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 5: the SEC? Because it's like, you're not winning four and

450
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 5: five star battles? Is what he's built on. He has

451
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 5: found really good talent and developed it. But there's the

452
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 5: question of can you win those battles? And the the

453
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,959
Speaker 5: uh kind of under the under the water subtext is

454
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 5: can you be really aggressive like they are in the SEC?

455
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 5: Read into that how you want to to win those battles?

456
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 5: Never coach in the SEC. So while I think it

457
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 5: would be a really good hire, I also understand you

458
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 5: could be hiring somebody where they're.

459
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 4: Going to go, wait a minute, this guy, this guy's

460
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 4: seven and five.

461
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 5: Is that what you're really going to spend, you know,

462
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Speaker 5: eighty million dollars for nine years on or something like that.

463
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Speaker 4: I don't I don't know.

464
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Speaker 5: I mean, Scott word Got I give him a ton

465
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 5: of credit for getting Chris Peterson out of Boise State,

466
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 5: and he got Jimbo out of FSU. Although Jimbo was

467
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 5: really as you guys now are starting up.

468
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 4: He was ready there, yeah, yeah, we'll see. I'm fast.

469
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm more curious as to how what LSU

470
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 5: is going to announce than I am. I'm not saying

471
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Speaker 5: I'm not interested in the USC, I am, but just

472
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 5: like I'm fascinated by the lsupiece of this let.

473
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Speaker 3: Me ask you about James Franklin. You know, I'm a

474
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Speaker 3: Penn Stater. James Franklin seemingly is in the running for

475
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 3: every job all the time. And you know, people will

476
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 3: write to us and say, well, it's because he's a

477
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 3: good coach. And now the other folks will write in

478
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,719
Speaker 3: and say, well, it's because he's got a good agent. Right,

479
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: he just switched agents. But where are you at with

480
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 3: Franklin and his stock in the coaching world? Because he

481
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: is sort of always in the running, He is seemingly

482
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: always kind of sort of interested. We don't know for sure,

483
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: but now ad in this year, maybe the dynamic of

484
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 3: a fan base that's growing a little frustrated in state college,

485
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: it is now the time for him to move. Does

486
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 3: he still have that kind of credibility in the coaching ranks?

487
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: Where are you at on Franklin?

488
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Speaker 5: I think based on what he did at Vandy, And

489
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Speaker 5: I you know, said this a minute ago. I just

490
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 5: you know, I don't dismiss that. You know, Vandy was

491
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 5: awful before he got there. They got he got them

492
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Speaker 5: in the top twenty five a couple of years, and

493
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 5: then they were resumed being awful after he left. Ty

494
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 5: you know this, like Penn State's reputation was in the

495
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 5: toilet after all the Sandusky stuff, and then Bill O'Brien

496
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 5: stabilized it. And then I felt like James Franklin, at

497
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 5: least in recruit size, maybe not in sports Treker's eyes,

498
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 5: but he kind of made it cool to go to

499
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 5: Penn State or to be part of that. And there

500
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 5: was certainly other people that contributed to that. Saquon contributed,

501
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 5: McSorley contributed to Joe moorehead but you know, there's definitely

502
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 5: been things where there are a head scratcher moments in

503
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 5: game situations. I think you guys share this quite honestly,

504
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 5: Like Mario has had some of those moments too, but

505
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 5: you know what, a lot of coaches have had it.

506
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 5: I can also remember back, you know, before Saban was

507
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 5: winning championships in Alabama. I remember being at an Old

508
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 5: Miss game where I'm like, you ran a fake, fake

509
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 5: field goal and you didn't block Greg Hardy who was

510
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 5: just dominating your you know, like your team the whole game.

511
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 5: What you know, like you see, you know, Kirby Smart

512
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 5: has had some boneheaded decisions and games. You know, they

513
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 5: all kind of do. I think fans just remember the

514
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 5: ones at their team that.

515
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 4: It happened with.

516
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 5: I think what adds to James Franklin's the buzz part.

517
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 5: I don't think it's honestly, I don't think anything to

518
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Speaker 5: do with agent wise.

519
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 4: I think it's this.

520
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 5: I think it comes down to you could see him

521
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 5: at usc You could see him at a lot of places. Yes,

522
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 5: he's from the Northeast, but he's coached in the SEC.

523
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 5: He is a really good recruiter. Like and I'm not

524
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 5: saying obviously Texas isn't open now, but it's like you

525
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 5: could have seen him at Texas.

526
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Speaker 4: I don't need to shock people to see him at Florida.

527
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Speaker 1: It was a flirtation.

528
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 5: There was.

529
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Speaker 2: There was James Franklin flirtation with Texas. I think from

530
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Speaker 2: Vandy right way back.

531
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was a while ago, right, and so

532
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 5: look there's NFL teams that were interested in them, so like,

533
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 5: nothing would surprise me.

534
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 4: The part that I think is.

535
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 5: Very interesting is the part you said a second ago tie,

536
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 5: which is the fans are frustrated, Because I think the

537
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 5: fans are frustrated probably on two levels. They're frustrated on

538
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 5: you guys, and then look, I'm more guilty of this

539
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 5: than anybody, because I do a lot of the coaching

540
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 5: search stuff, and and his name and I believe sincerely

541
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 5: so is consideration at a lot of big time jobs.

542
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 4: So there's that, and then there's the other part of it,

543
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 4: where it's like, well, we're six and four.

544
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 5: All this talk was four, you know, we were beating

545
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 5: we're beating Iowa, and then our quarterback gets hurt and

546
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 5: we don't have a backup ready in the second half

547
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 5: or prepared or whatever, you know, And so I think

548
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 5: there's enough frustration with the fan base to go, yeah, this's.

549
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 4: Worth the trouble, you know, I think. So there's some

550
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 4: of that.

551
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 5: I think, look, there's a bunch of Penn State folks

552
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 5: who didn't like Franklin in the beginning. They really want

553
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 5: they really had an affinity for Bill O'Brien. We're sorry

554
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 5: to see him go. And I think like that a

555
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 5: lot of that faded after they had that game where

556
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 5: it's like the block kick against Ohio State and all

557
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 5: of a.

558
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: Sudden like this, Yeah, I know plenty of people who

559
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: thought James Franklin was a snake oil salesman, and those

560
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: are fans, those are people in the media, those are

561
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: people who are connected to Penn State, and it was

562
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: always very fascinating to me how quickly that perception changed.

563
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it was that game or

564
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: many games, or just what he's done on the recruiting trail,

565
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 3: but I've been really surprised, pleasantly surprised at the number

566
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: of folks that now have a great opinion, a very

567
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: high opinion of James Franklin and would be sorry to

568
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: see him go.

569
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

570
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 5: I'm like, a month and a half ago, I was

571
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 5: more convinced that he would be the head coach at

572
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 5: USC because it seemed to make a lot of sense

573
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 5: on a lot of fronts from where I looked at it.

574
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: Not as convinced of that at this point.

575
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 5: I mean, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he

576
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 5: stayed and they did some kind of long term deal.

577
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 5: And right again, it's the timing isn't great. You know,

578
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 5: they could I mean, they could be seven and five,

579
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 5: right so, but and it's seven and five coming off

580
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 5: of last year, which was like, you know, it wasn't

581
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 5: just the COVID year. And you don't you have Micah

582
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 5: Parsons opting out, you have the best running back in

583
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 5: the conference, having a you know, a medically beyond just

584
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 5: medically ending his career. It was like, you know, an

585
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 5: emotional zapp the locker room, you know, from the assistant

586
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 5: coach I know there. So with the journey Brown, I

587
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 5: think that just made it that much Sorry, I think

588
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 5: that just made it just that much harder for them

589
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 5: to come out of it.

590
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: So now you have two years of disappointment.

591
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: How many more jobs are we talking about big two

592
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: medium jobs right now? I mean, look, the PAC twelve

593
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: could look very different. Uh, the SEC could look a

594
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: little bit different. Obviously, Florida's season has been and kind

595
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: of a nightmare in terms of expectations and performance. The

596
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: Big ten seems pretty stable and maybe people will leave.

597
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: The Big twelve seems pretty stable. But who knows how

598
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: many more medium to big jobs realistically look like they'll

599
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: be searching.

600
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 5: I think Florida will. I'd be surprised if you bring

601
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 5: Den Mullin back. I mean, that thing has been a

602
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 5: disaster this year. You know, he's not a very good recruiter,

603
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 5: that has struggled, and now you have him in such

604
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 5: a hot seat. I don't know how people are going

605
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 5: to buy into that. You know, he fired his defensive coordinator,

606
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 5: his offensive line coach.

607
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 4: Those guys were with him for a long time.

608
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 5: It's just so many issues and so like I did

609
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 5: a story where I worked with our Florida right with

610
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 5: the athletic and talk to a bunch of SEC assistant

611
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 5: coaches and coaches. Yeah, and the issues you would hear

612
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 5: about why Florida is so underachieving was alarming. Like if

613
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 5: I was Scott Strickland the ad there. I'm not saying

614
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 5: like I would fire somebody based on what you know,

615
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 5: anonymous quotes in a reporter story, but I would look

616
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: at that and say, does this line up with what

617
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 5: I'm seeing on the field. And then the next week

618
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 5: after that story comes out, they get embarrassed by South

619
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 5: Carolina and.

620
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 4: Lose forty to seventeen.

621
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 5: Nobody should lose forty to seventeen to the South Carolina team,

622
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 5: you know, and then they barely beat a mediocre FCS team.

623
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: That's not even a good one. Yeah, mediocre, yeah.

624
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 4: Four and five.

625
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 5: You know, Like Stu and I joked about this, We're like, man,

626
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 5: we watched like three hours of a Samford game. Thank you,

627
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 5: Dan Mullin. So I would expect a coaching search there.

628
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 5: I just don't know how what he does against Missouri

629
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 5: or FSU, no matter how much they could win those

630
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 5: games by, would be enough to make them go, yeah,

631
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 5: we're we're good, We're happy with the direction of this.

632
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 5: Plus his bio, it's like, it's still gonna yeah a

633
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 5: million dollars. You fire them now or you fire them

634
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 5: a year from now. I don't think it helps.

635
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's been the story across the sport, right,

636
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: like what do we see something turning around? Do we

637
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 2: see something changing? And it's hard all those stories, by

638
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: the way, but both the ones talking to the high

639
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: school coaches in different states and also the assistants talking

640
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: about what's going on at specific schools, they're really instructive.

641
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: Right.

642
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: You hear about how a team is or isn't recruiting

643
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: via the high school coaches in the region, You're like,

644
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: it's not going to work out, you know. You hear

645
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 2: about how USC has or has not recruited. You hear

646
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: about how Luke Fickle has recruited in Ohio. You're like, Oh,

647
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: this dude's going to succeed probably wherever he goes because

648
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: he's so thorough Miami. Is now a job being talked

649
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: about a school you're intimately familiar with. Is Tyler Van

650
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: Dyke enough to save a job? Is there faith that

651
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: many diez with a quarterback winning games the way Tyler

652
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: Van Dyke has done that that has saved or cooled

653
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: his seat a little bit? Or is losing to Florida

654
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: State the way that they did more important and instructive

655
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: than we realize.

656
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: I think it.

657
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to be enough to save

658
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 5: it if they feel like they can do better on

659
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 5: the coaching front, and I think I am. I don't

660
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 5: have a great read on that as we're taking this

661
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: right now.

662
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Bruce.

663
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: The move to part ways with Gary Patterson, I'm assuming

664
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: it was a difficult decision for TCU given what he's

665
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: meant to that football program, but obviously the end product

666
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: has not been there for a few years running, it

667
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 3: made sense that they would make the move immediately upon

668
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: the announcement. It seems like much of the reporting, certainly

669
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: your own reporting, centered around Sunny Dyke's for a multitude

670
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: of reasons, is maybe the next guy for TCU. Do

671
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: you believe he's going to be the guy I do.

672
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 5: I think he makes a lot of sense there. He

673
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 5: knows the state really well. He's done a terrific job

674
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 5: not that far away. By the way, as you guys

675
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 5: know at you with the conference realignment, how it's played

676
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 5: out this cycle of it this year, SMU is one

677
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 5: of the bigger losers in it as it.

678
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: Relates to the AAC.

679
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 5: You know, he was somebody Texas Tech was going to

680
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 5: target and then once TCU opened that was a game

681
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 5: changer for them. And look, maybe Joey Mcguireltono to be

682
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 5: a great hire there. But I think part of that was, hey,

683
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 5: Sunny Dikes is now going to focus on that. Maybe

684
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 5: Virginia Tech will make a play for him. I know

685
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 5: with Babcock the ad, I think he thinks highly of

686
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 5: Sunny Dikes. But man, you know, like he left that

687
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 5: region and went to Cal and that was I think

688
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 5: that's something he had regretted and tried to get out

689
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 5: of for a while. And I'm not saying Cal is

690
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 5: Virginia Tech, but just the idea of going away from

691
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 5: someplace you you really have a comfort zone and do

692
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 5: really well at That's why.

693
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: I think he would probably end up there. And he's

694
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 4: worked there before.

695
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 5: He was spent a year or two on Gary Patterson's

696
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 5: staff as an analyst after cal I mean, he's a

697
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 5: really smart guy.

698
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: I think he just to me he would fit really well.

699
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: There, and he seems like the obvious choice based on

700
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: all the reporting. What I find interesting about the Washington

701
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: opening is that there doesn't seem to be an obvious choice.

702
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: There's really been a variety of names that have been

703
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: thrown out from the Matt Campbell's and Dave Randa's, these

704
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: hot coaching names, to coordinators both passed and present, to

705
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: smaller school guys, to wild cards. You even threw Chip

706
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: Kelly's name out there. What type of coach, maybe without

707
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: putting a name on it, What type of coach do

708
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: you feel is required at this juncture for Washington to

709
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: put this thing back on the tracks and get moved

710
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: in the right direction.

711
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 5: Somebody who comes across is very, very measured and buttoned

712
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 5: up and genuine. I think that's why I think there's

713
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 5: real interest in Matt Campbell and Dave Randa. I think

714
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 5: there's some interest in Joe moorehead Sorry, Dan, I know that.

715
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: No, it's Mario has done a very good job Mario

716
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: and I are on a first day basis of his

717
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: coordinator hires have been very good. It's one of those

718
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 2: things where recruiting and coordinator hires there's very little left

719
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: to complain about. And I have a good amount of

720
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: faith that as an organ fan, Mario Christaball, as long

721
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: as he's there, will be exhaustive and hire well so.

722
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: And I like Joe moorehead I would love for him

723
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: to be a head coach again.

724
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think those are to me, those are three

725
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 5: of the names that jump out at me. I've heard

726
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 5: there's some interest in Justin Wilcox. I have a little

727
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 5: harder time buying that the ad Jen Cohen would hire

728
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 5: Justin Wilcox, just that he's thirteen and twenty four.

729
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 4: In Pac twelve play m cal is a really hard job.

730
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 5: It's gotten a much harder obviously in the pandemic with

731
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 5: the restrictions there. But again, you have a coach who's

732
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 5: thirteen and twenty four. I get that he coached there

733
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 5: and he's well liked, but.

734
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 4: He's also had some issues on offense.

735
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 5: I mean, they weren't on Donovan Washington bad, but they

736
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 5: weren't very good. And I think that, to me would

737
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 5: be a risky hire given it's not like, you know,

738
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 5: he's in the same division, right, and it's not like

739
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 5: Col's not an easy job. Col's also not you know,

740
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 5: Yukon or UMass either, right. There's a lot of good

741
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 5: players you can get there. So that's why I'm not

742
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 5: as I am skeptical, like I could see them really

743
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 5: looking at him.

744
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 4: I could.

745
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 5: I'd be surprised if she would decide to hire him,

746
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 5: you know. So, I mean, this is obviously the Jimmy

747
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: Lake higher. It went the complete opposite of everybody there expected,

748
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 5: including me.

749
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: Did you think he'd get more time, by the way,

750
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: that's not even two years.

751
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought he would.

752
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 5: And then once the Oregon Week played out the way

753
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 5: he did from everybody I talked to there, I mean

754
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 5: we were I was in studio.

755
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 4: All day for Fox.

756
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 5: That was our game was the uh was the game

757
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 5: when he was on suspension. And you know, I'm thinking

758
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 5: about this, I know Jimmy, and it's like I'm basically saying,

759
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 5: as soon as the game ends against Arizona State, I'm

760
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 5: saying on National TV, you know, I don't expect him

761
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 5: to be the coach here much longer, you know, and

762
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 5: it's just like I remember, there was a little bit

763
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 5: of a surreal moment because you go from like in

764
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 5: that chair, I'm working with Acho and then Devin Gardner

765
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 5: that day. It's like it's a lot of highlight stuff

766
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 5: and it's I don't say it's not a lot of fluff,

767
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 5: but like to shift gears to that.

768
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: I was thinking.

769
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 5: I was like, man, I thought Jimmy Lake was going

770
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 5: to be a great addition for them, and it's just

771
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 5: the opposite way.

772
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech is an interesting job, right, because it's it's

773
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: very difficult to pin down in the same way TCU, right,

774
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: it's so heavily defined by one guy, obviously with Frank

775
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: Biemer and his success there before, justin Fuente and TCU

776
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: and Gary Patterson. How good of a job can Virginia

777
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: Tech be? Is Virginia Tech a school that is investing

778
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: to compete with not even Clemson, but Florida State, Miami,

779
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: North Carolina?

780
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: Now?

781
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: Is that an attractive job to candidates along the East

782
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: coast in the southeast whatever? What is the current status

783
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: of that job and what is the interest in it?

784
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 4: I think it's a very attractive job.

785
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 5: There are people in the industry who actually think that

786
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 5: is the second best job in the AECCO.

787
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

788
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 5: Now, obviously they haven't won national titles like Florida State

789
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: or Miami. They don't have as much talent around them,

790
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 5: but they have a lot of talent in that area.

791
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 5: Really good facilities, great home field environment. People in the

792
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 5: industry think pretty highly of the ad with Babcock. Look

793
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 5: with Babcock, you know, when he was at Cincinnati, he

794
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 5: had a plan and ready to go, and he ended

795
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 5: up hiring Tommy Tubberville and that was a complete dud. So,

796
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 5: you know, we'll see how this part plays out going forward.

797
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 5: But is it a better job than USC or LSU. No,

798
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 5: is it a better job than Florida if that comes open.

799
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 5: I don't think so either.

800
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 4: But relative to the rest of the ACC it's a

801
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 4: really good job.

802
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: Expect names that we've heard for a while as being

803
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: big names around bigger jobs. Luke Fikel, Matt Campbell, Billy

804
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 2: Napier has been a name that's come up a bunch.

805
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: These are guys who have stuck around places that people

806
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: have not fair or not expected them to stick around.

807
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: Do you think we are going to see names finally

808
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: move or do you think you could see guys holding

809
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: firm that I just mentioned.

810
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 5: I think that Matt Campbell would. I think there's a

811
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 5: good chance for a move. The part that makes me

812
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: a little more reluctant than I was maybe a couple

813
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 5: of weeks ago.

814
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 4: They could be seven and five.

815
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, like that's not are you cashing out

816
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 5: on seven and five? In terms of like some of

817
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 5: these ads who get caught up in the optics, I

818
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 5: don't know, Like I think Matt Campbell's a really really

819
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 5: good coach, but it's a harder sell at seven and

820
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 5: five than it is at nine and three, or certainly

821
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 5: a ten win season. Billy Napier has been patient. He

822
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 5: knows he's got a pretty good situation. I don't know

823
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 5: how much longer you kind of hold your cards to

824
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 5: the best. He's turned down like three pretty good situations.

825
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 5: Say he was definitely going to be the guy you

826
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: know Virginia Tech offered him. I think the only thing

827
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 5: that would make him go, eh, I'm good is if

828
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 5: he thinks he has a shot at LSU or Florida

829
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 5: or you know, he worked at ASU. I mean, is

830
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 5: ASU a better job than Virginia Tech. I don't know,

831
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 5: because ASU could be if you're having widespread clean out

832
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 5: the program, that means you could have sanctions coming down

833
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 5: on the back end of that too. So and then

834
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 5: Fickle is the other name you mentioned. I think he's

835
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 5: going to be very choosy. You know, Cincinnati's going on

836
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 5: the Big twelve, which is up to its platform. Certainly,

837
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 5: he has a wife and six kids, and he really

838
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 5: likes the Midwest. I mean he would follow his old

839
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 5: a d to USC. That would surprise me a little bit.

840
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 5: I don't know if he wants to be in the SEC.

841
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 5: I could see Scott Woodward trying to make that happen

842
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: because he seems like he's been turned down by some bigger,

843
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 5: some big names.

844
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if he chased Luke Fickle. You know.

845
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 5: Everything I'd heard was like Luke Fickle would have loved

846
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 5: it if James Franklin took the USC job and then

847
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 5: he can go to Penn State.

848
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: So I don't know, they are losing.

849
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 5: A bunch of really good players at Cincinnati, Like there's

850
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 5: a time to make a move, because I'm not saying

851
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 5: they're going to go from thirteen or fourteen and oh

852
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 5: to back to four and eight, but they may not

853
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 5: be a top twenty five next year with all the

854
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 5: talent they're losing.

855
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: You've talked about Mario Christbaul a bit as it relates

856
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: to a couple of different openings, right SEC openings, the

857
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 2: USC opening or an impending USC opening which we thought

858
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: would happen for a couple of years. Do you get

859
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: the sense that he's locked in with Oregon. He's from

860
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: a completely different part of the country, but seems from

861
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 2: my perspective, a bias perspective, it's got a pretty good

862
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: in terms of pathway to the postseason, in terms of recruiting,

863
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: in terms of his ability to get money to assistance

864
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: in facilities and all those types of things. Like do

865
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: you think Mario Christaball is the Oregon coach in twenty

866
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: twenty three?

867
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: He probably, I could definitely see it.

868
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 5: I know that he is really high on the teams

869
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 5: that he thinks he's going to have in twenty twenty

870
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 5: two and twenty twenty three. In terms of what built,

871
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 5: I mean he thinks of things inside out, meaning like

872
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 5: if I go somewhere, how bad is the offensive line?

873
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 5: Because you don't just flip that right away. That is

874
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 5: like something that needs to like a garden that needs

875
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 5: to be cultivated. And I think he's done that right

876
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 5: and he's done that with a lot of the roster.

877
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 5: He likes his young quarterback, he likes a lot of

878
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 5: the things how he's recruited. I think he has got

879
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 5: enough awareness to know if I go somewhere, are they

880
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 5: going to do the things that I need to see

881
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 5: from them to feel like I am supported to go

882
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 5: compete with Nick Saban and.

883
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: Not a lot of places, you know, I.

884
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 5: Like to me for USC, Mario Chriswall made a lot

885
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 5: of sense in the standpoint of he is now setting

886
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 5: the tempo in recruiting on the West Coast. He is

887
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 5: preaches and is all about physical football and us he

888
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 5: went to the air raid. The part where it didn't

889
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 5: make so much sense is I think USC would like

890
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 5: to to kind of have a general management role in

891
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 5: how the program's run with the coach. And I don't

892
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 5: see what christ Ball want any part of that. And

893
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 5: I think they know that, and I think they know

894
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 5: it would not be easy to kind of have that relationship.

895
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 4: If you're Miami, you can't. I don't want to say

896
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 4: you can't pay him.

897
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 5: I don't know what you know, who's gonna like, is

898
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 5: the rock gonna come up and say there's a blank

899
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 5: check my old team will I will make it all right.

900
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 5: I don't know that you know how that works. But

901
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 5: it is home for him, and he knows the potential

902
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 5: of it. You know, people can talk about like, oh, well,

903
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 5: you know you're gonna get these private planes to go

904
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 5: here as assistance or whatever.

905
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 4: I think Mario christa Ball knows enough to go.

906
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, you get in your cars and you recruit at Miami.

907
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 5: You don't need to be flying all over the all

908
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 5: over the country to stock a roster. But all those

909
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 5: things you said are true. I'd like somebody could. I

910
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 5: think I had this conversation with Andy Staples, you know,

911
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 5: and I think we had talked for a minute about

912
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 5: Florida's situation. I'm like, I don't I don't see Mario

913
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 5: leaving Oregon for Florida.

914
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 4: Like Florida, Yeah, that's a state he grew up in.

915
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 5: He didn't grow up in Gainesville though, right, And so

916
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 5: like I think for his family, you know, his boys

917
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 5: are I want to say, like fifth grade and sixth

918
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 5: grade or sixth grade and seventh grade, but they're basically

919
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 5: I don't say.

920
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 4: That's all they've known is Eugene. But now they've been

921
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: there for you know, a little while, and I know

922
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 4: what it's like to have kids.

923
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 5: Around that age where you know, you probably don't remember

924
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 5: when you were three or four, but you definitely remember

925
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 5: when you were six, seven, eight nine, and so there

926
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 5: are roots there. Yeah, I if I if, just knowing

927
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 5: what I know about what he thinks of how good

928
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 5: they're going to be in the next two years, you know,

929
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 5: I could definitely see him staying there all.

930
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: Right, fair enough.

931
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: And then somebody that always seems to come up this

932
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: time of year, willing up a couple more questions. But

933
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: there always is a name that comes out of nowhere.

934
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: Right there's like, wait, Nebraska hired Mike Riley. Wait where

935
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: did that come from? Are there coaches that seem to

936
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: be otherwise embedded at places that are listening more intently,

937
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: especially with the dollars that are being thrown around right now?

938
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know if there's somebody who's like,

939
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 5: to me, the Mike Riley thing was like the two

940
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 5: moments where I think I heard them are like, what

941
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 5: was Mike Riley going there and USC hiring Lynn Swamp

942
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, different things, but just where you're like,

943
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 5: I can't believe that happened, And there are definitely some

944
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 5: you know, I'll be honest, now that I think about it.

945
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 5: I was like I was at like a food truck.

946
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: When I heard Bronkele Mennenhall was going to Uva.

947
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that seemed kind of out of nowhere.

948
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. I dismissed that.

949
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 5: When somebody tried to tell me, like like a source saying, hey,

950
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 5: I'm hearing that, it was like something like that.

951
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't see that, and then it happened.

952
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 5: I don't know, Like you know, I've written about Klanie

953
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 5: Satake at byu Is. It's more about this is somebody

954
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 5: I would think they're going to look at because of

955
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 5: how his teams play, because of his connections in the

956
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 5: you know on the West coast.

957
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 4: He knows the PAC twelve.

958
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 5: Well, like, it wouldn't surprise me if somebody tried to

959
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 5: lure him out of there by he's not paying him

960
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 5: that much from what my man, so like that would

961
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 5: be one. I mean, like it wouldn't surprise you know,

962
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 5: like some of these other names like Jane Norbel. He's

963
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: on a lot of people's radar because he's done a

964
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 5: really good job at Nevada and he is a good

965
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 5: offensive coach who is a really solid guy. And if

966
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 5: you've looked at whether whatever at like what happened in

967
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 5: Washington State with Rolovich or you know a few other spots,

968
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 5: even Jimmy Lake. You know, I think sometimes people are like,

969
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 5: all right, is that a flashy hire? Maybe not, but

970
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 5: like is this a guy we can count on? I mean,

971
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 5: there are some coaches whose names get thrown out of

972
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 5: bunch where you're like, eh, there you you know, you

973
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 5: dig a little bit, or you talk to people and

974
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: they're like, yeah, the AD or the president won't touch

975
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 5: that guy because they think he's a big risk, not

976
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 5: necessarily a risk winning and losing games, just in terms

977
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 5: of the off the field stuff. And I think that's

978
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 5: the part that's you know that maybe doesn't get like,

979
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 5: you know, it's harder to write or harder to talk

980
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 5: about on TV.

981
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: Are you sitting on anything right now?

982
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 4: I am sitting on my couch.

983
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: Are you sitting on any news that you are waiting on?

984
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily getting confirmed, but you're like, Okay, this

985
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: is where a school's going this. I mean, this is

986
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: kind of done. You don't have to tell me, which

987
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, like how far out.

988
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 4: We you know?

989
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 5: We knew going into the to the Washington Issue game

990
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 5: that Jimmy Lake was done there, right, Like, how do

991
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 5: you you know? Like there's a lot of stuff like that.

992
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I think we knew that Justin Fante was

993
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 5: getting fired. I'm not sitting on anything, like, I'll be

994
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 5: perfectly honest. I don't know exactly how the Miami situation

995
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 5: is going to play out, you know, I know a

996
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 5: lot of people involved in there. I don't know exactly

997
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 5: how it's going to play out. I don't have any

998
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 5: real guess. I mean I have guess, but I don't

999
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 5: have a strong feeling on what Scott Woodward is going

1000
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 5: to end up at LSU right Like, I'm very interested

1001
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 5: and curious on that.

1002
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: Who's teetering right now? Is a SU teetering? Is U?

1003
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: C l A teetering?

1004
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: Is anybody teetering like like trying difficult decisions?

1005
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 5: Like a s U is a weird one because the

1006
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 5: A D and the number two a D. Who's who's

1007
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 5: like overseas football. Those guys are like their hands are

1008
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 5: in the in the in the cookie jar right now,

1009
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 5: like they don't want to fire herm. The NCAA justice

1010
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 5: system is even is more screwed up than it ever

1011
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 5: is not saying something and you know the vibe somebody

1012
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 5: explained to me there was it's kind of like they're

1013
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 5: all whistling by the graveyard at this point.

1014
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, UCLA Texas, Texas, Texas.

1015
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 5: I don't think Texas can do anything. Okay, it's year one.

1016
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 5: How many times are you going to hit the reset button?

1017
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: I hear you. Stupid money means stupid decisions, though I don't.

1018
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 4: Know's there's a funny line.

1019
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 5: It's like what was the Like I watch a lot

1020
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 5: of games on Saturdays with Ocho and Chris Peterson, and

1021
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 5: you know the line about scared money, and because it

1022
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 5: was I forgot what the play was. And Chris Peterson

1023
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 5: quietly looked up at Acho, who was like fifteen feet away,

1024
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 5: and he was like, yeah, stupid money doesn't make money either,

1025
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 5: and it's like that's you know, that's what seems to

1026
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 5: be in play in Austin, right, Like they did not

1027
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 5: waste a lot of time to pull Sark in there

1028
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 5: and maybe it'll work out.

1029
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I remember working.

1030
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 5: On a story where I talked to a bunch of

1031
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 5: coaches who had either were still in Austin or had

1032
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 5: been there Tom Herman's staff, and the feeling was, yeah,

1033
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 5: there were some good players, but it was a lot

1034
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 5: of overrated recruits that they had gotten there. And so

1035
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 5: now did I think they could be five and seven?

1036
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 5: I thought they'd be a little better than that. I

1037
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 5: don't think they'd lose to Kansas. But you got to

1038
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 5: you can't, you know, unless Sark has some some real

1039
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 5: egregious thing, like the USC stuff surfaces in Austin, you

1040
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 5: got to give him way more time than this great

1041
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 5: you know, not even next year, like they could go

1042
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 5: four and eight next year.

1043
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 4: I'm like, you gotta.

1044
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 5: You can't just hire somebody, bring in a new staff,

1045
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 5: and then just pull the plug, even if, like you know,

1046
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 5: he pulls the plug on some assistance. It's like all

1047
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 5: of a sudden. Now though, like a lot of that

1048
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 5: position room. Then you're talking about three or three three

1049
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 5: new coaches in three years. It's actually more than that

1050
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 5: because Tom Herman shuffled his staff, like at the end.

1051
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 5: So you have guys who can have four different position

1052
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 5: coaches or maybe even.

1053
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 4: Coordinators in four years. That's almost recipe for disaster.

1054
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: Bruce.

1055
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 3: One final question for me, speaking of more time, Scott

1056
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: Frost kind of took some folks by surprise that they

1057
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 3: would retain them. We made the joke on this show

1058
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: that it was more a function of other people maybe

1059
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: saying no in the background. But regardless, he will be

1060
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 3: returning for the twenty twenty two season. Did that surprise

1061
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: you a little bit?

1062
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 5: Like everything there has surprised me in this regard, Like

1063
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 5: I got that wrong.

1064
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 4: Now, maybe Scott Frost.

1065
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty two will go ten and two and

1066
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 5: I'll be like, huh, maybe I was right after all.

1067
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 5: But like I did not think it was going to

1068
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 5: go this way. I was, you know, spent you know,

1069
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 5: spent time in linked in a few times, done their games,

1070
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 5: and just like the plane has never gotten off the ground.

1071
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 5: It's just like it's sped down the runway, it's hit

1072
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 5: icy patches, it's you know, done all this and it

1073
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 5: just can't get off the ground.

1074
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: It's like the twenty seven mile runway in one of

1075
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: the Fast movies, Right, it just keeps going in the

1076
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: planes kind of like you're waiting for it and it

1077
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: just never happens.

1078
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he is. He has thrown a lot of

1079
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 5: weight off the plane. Yeah, like you know, it's like

1080
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 5: Mario got thrown off, Luba got thrown off, like his

1081
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 5: O line coach.

1082
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: Like he's now he's receiver transferred.

1083
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's on his third he'll be on his third

1084
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator, and he's an offensive guy. Like they're they're

1085
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 5: pretty good on defense, Like his defense has done a

1086
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 5: really good job there. But man, like I I've said

1087
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 5: this on our podcast, and like I keep feeling like

1088
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 5: they're going to turn it right, Like I feel like

1089
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 5: they're going to beat somebody. They're going to beat Iowa.

1090
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 5: They're you know, like they're going to get it. They're

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Speaker 5: going to get a decent win. Just they can't be

1092
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 5: keep like stubbing their toe into the nightstand every week

1093
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 5: like the And like I I like Adrian Martinez, I

1094
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 5: am guilty.

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Speaker 4: I like him personally. I got to know him a

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00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 4: little bit. I think he's talented.

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00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 5: He has no play he has no playmakers around him,

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00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 5: so he often tries to do too much. I'm not

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00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 5: saying he is Lamar Jackson. But he is very athletic,

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00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 5: and he's a really good player. I do wonder, you know,

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Speaker 5: if he somehow like decides, you know what, I.

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Speaker 4: Need a fresh start.

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00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 5: I'm going to go be a grad transfer or someplace

1104
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 5: house or whatever. You know, they've lost a bunch of

1105
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 5: games close. I feel like without him, you know, they

1106
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 5: would have lost a lot of games not close.

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00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 4: And I don't know, like I.

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00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 5: Don't know what, you know, what offensive coordinator they bring

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00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 5: in or what staff they bring in that really makes

1110
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 5: it change, because I just feel like the margin for

1111
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 5: error has been really slight. Like when he got there,

1112
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 5: he had Stanley Morgan was he was a really good

1113
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 5: college receiver.

1114
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 4: His film was a good player.

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00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 5: And then like those guys left one because he was

1116
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 5: his time was up. The other one transferred out. And

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00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 5: you know, they had one Dale Robinson who was a

1118
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 5: really good player, but he decided you want to go

1119
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 5: home to the SEC. And it's just like, you know,

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Speaker 5: when your best player is the transfer from the best

1121
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 5: skill guys, the transfer from Montana, you know, it just

1122
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 5: the margin for error is just too small. It's just

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Speaker 5: I don't know, he just has not recruited well enough.

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Speaker 2: There final question just because it's been the weirdest year

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00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: in terms of high level quarterbacks. And that's another part

1126
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: of your beat in covering college football, just because guys,

1127
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: we've expected that we're going to be electric and amazing

1128
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 2: and Heisman worthy, weren't necessarily there. What is a young

1129
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: quarterbacks name for twenty twenty two that you are buying

1130
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 2: very early stock in as a thing capital t thing.

1131
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 4: And I can't do Bryce Young because he's already he's known.

1132
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: Maybe he couldn't have just gotten a starting job. He

1133
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: might be a backup right now. Obviously ty is hoping

1134
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: you say, like Tyler Buckner or something. But who is

1135
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: who is that name that you're just like, Okay, this

1136
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: is this is a a name that will pop in

1137
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: the next year that hasn't yet.

1138
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 5: I think Jackson Dart is really talented at USC. I

1139
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 5: just don't know who's going to be coaching him, right,

1140
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 5: and so it's hard to go put all the chips

1141
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 5: in on that one. You know, like like Buckner is

1142
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 5: definitely a dynamic athlete. But it's been a like it's

1143
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 5: unfair to say this because Ian Book was a really

1144
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 5: good college quarterback.

1145
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

1146
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 5: Man, they're like their quarterback play has been largely you know,

1147
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 5: underwhelming this year, right, So I don't know. Sorry, I'm

1148
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 5: not helping you on that one, and I'm not going

1149
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 5: to help you on like pen stay where it's going

1150
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 5: to be or like I'm just thinking in terms.

1151
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 4: Of like who is that guy?

1152
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 5: Could say, Oh, there's some wow in him, like I

1153
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 5: do see a little that in Dart. I have to

1154
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 5: think more like Anthony Richardson, to me is a remarkable

1155
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 5: athlete and he could be really special. I don't know exactly,

1156
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 5: Like everything around there has just been such a such

1157
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 5: an implosion that whoever comes in there, I think he

1158
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 5: has a chance to be really special and he should

1159
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 5: be really special for Dan Mullen, Like I think Emery

1160
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 5: Jones is actually good too. Yeah, Like you have one

1161
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 5: guy and I'm not saying he could be Cam Newton,

1162
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 5: but he is like a super big athlete, you know,

1163
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 5: like who people there really think highly of his talent.

1164
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 5: I would have thought it would have, you know, like, look,

1165
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 5: he's had some injuries, and he's had some moments where

1166
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 5: he does some suspect some spectacular stuff but turns it

1167
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 5: over a bunch. I would have said that, Look, I

1168
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 5: you know, I had count me in on somebody who

1169
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 5: thought Hudson Card was going to.

1170
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Speaker 4: Be that guy.

1171
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: Remember, yeah, what I heard.

1172
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 5: And then also you have Sark there, who's been really

1173
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 5: good with quarterbacks, and you have arguably the most talented

1174
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 5: running back in the country there to lean on. They

1175
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 5: have a super speed guy, and if you're worthy outside,

1176
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 5: that's one to build on. But it hadn't worked out.

1177
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if I'm giving up on

1178
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 5: Hudson Card at this point, but so I would say

1179
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 5: some combination of Jackson Dart Anthony Richardson, although both of

1180
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 5: them are probably gonna have new.

1181
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 4: Coaches next year.

1182
00:55:59,120 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: That's wild, all right.

1183
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: Bruce Feldman, the athletic Fox Sports co host of The

1184
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 2: Audible with Stu Mandel, America's pre eminent college football media shredder,

1185
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: on the Guitar from nineteen ninety five on I don't

1186
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 2: know when. I don't even know when he Stu was

1187
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: in that band in college.

1188
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 5: Look, if there's two things you can find on this tie,

1189
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 5: One you have to find your George Brett Yep training

1190
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 5: clip and see if there's actually video Stu playing, you know,

1191
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 5: with his axe wearing leather pants, somewhere.

1192
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: I'm like eight minutes away from the Evanston campus, so

1193
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 2: from the Northwestern campus in Evanston, it's not that far.

1194
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 2: Maybe there are archived bits of footage of somewhere.

1195
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 5: There's a behind the music that was done by some

1196
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 5: journalism student of STU When when when they're when their

1197
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 5: van pulled over, parting up a line of little ants.

1198
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, Bruce, thank you very much for your time.

1199
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Speaker 1: Everybody was audible. Watchbrus box and hey have a good one.

1200
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: And pizza is always available to you in the there.

1201
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta go for Deep Dish though.

1202
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: I love you right why.

1203
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 4: Because that is me. I am the biggest Deep Dish

1204
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 4: pizza fan.

1205
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: I love that about you that you're specific. But it's okay,

1206
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: what's your place?

1207
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 5: I like Luimo, Naughties, like Classic Okay, like Staples.

1208
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 4: And I went to I want to say, it's like

1209
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 4: pea quads.

1210
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: Pe Quads.

1211
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't like it as much. It's like it

1212
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 5: was good, it just wasn't me as Luminalo Natties.

1213
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: The class I mean, they're all over the place there.

1214
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: That's it's a chain, it's a known thing. It's good

1215
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: it's just I don't know. There's something beautiful about nice

1216
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: thin pizza to me. All right, you got good pizza

1217
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: by you by the way in the South Bay, there's

1218
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: have you heard of folk?

1219
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you a link. I'm gonna send you

1220
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: a link. There's a couple of.

1221
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 5: There's a good there was a good pizza place here,

1222
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 5: Grimaldi's that went out of business.

1223
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you a couple of links. I am.

1224
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: I am way too deep in the game right now.

1225
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: I will I will try to open your eyes to

1226
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: a couple of plays.

1227
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: South Bay. Maybe that's like Orange County.

1228
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 4: An hour from me.

1229
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: I'll get you Like El Segundo, how about that?

1230
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 4: That's good.

1231
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 5: There's actually a good place in El Segundo called Slice

1232
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 5: and Pint, right that is like that's a it's a

1233
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 5: cool little spot.

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00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: So done.

1235
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: All right, thank you again for your time, and everybody,

1236
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: go go seek out Bruce. Go seek out his books.

1237
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: They're all terrific and you can't go wrong. Thanks again,

1238
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: Thank you guys.

1239
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 3: All right, Dan Bruce Felman, there is been far too

1240
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 3: long since we had him on the show. But always enlightening.

1241
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, always try and like I really wish that because

1242
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: when I've when I've hung out with Bruce in person,

1243
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, you always get more dirt, you always get

1244
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: more more of the goths. But that's if we could

1245
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: get like Bruce take a couple of shots before coming

1246
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: on the show.

1247
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: May see. The thing is Bruce holds his alcohol.

1248
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Speaker 2: Really well, just like you do, so it probably wouldn't

1249
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Speaker 2: affect things, but there is a there is like a

1250
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,640
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1251
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1253
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Speaker 2: ever say into a hot mic. But uh, yeah, it's

1254
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: always it's always nice catching up with Bruce. It's uh,

1255
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,080
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