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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number day

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Speaker 1: in the show, we're joined by Lindsay Thomas Jr. To

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Speaker 1: discuss the lessons he's learned deer hunting the South. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sick of Gear, and today we are addressing a

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Speaker 1: request that we've heard loud and clear from many of

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Speaker 1: our listeners, and my apologies has taken so long, but

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Speaker 1: finally we're going to be talking in depth about the

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Speaker 1: unique circumstances and challenges that are present when deer hunting

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Speaker 1: in the South. Now, Dan and I are Midwest guys,

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Speaker 1: as you know, so Southern deer hunting isn't something we've

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Speaker 1: been able to really comment on, given the fact that

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Speaker 1: I don't think either of us really have any experience

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Speaker 1: out there who have been wanting some Southern insight, and

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Speaker 1: today I'm happy to report we're finally going to give

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Speaker 1: that to you. Joining us hailing from the Great State

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Speaker 1: of Georgia is Lindsay Thomas Jr. Now, Lindsay is a

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Speaker 1: terrific deer hunter. He's the Quality Deer Management Association's director

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Speaker 1: of Communications and the editor of Quality White Tails magazine.

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Speaker 1: So in just a few minutes are going to give

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Speaker 1: Lindsay call to dig deep into all things Southern deer hunting.

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Speaker 1: And I want to say one other thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: for all of you folks who live elsewhere and who

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Speaker 1: aren't in the South, don't tune this one out. I

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Speaker 1: promise you. There's gonna be plenty that Lindsay is going

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Speaker 1: to say today that's going to be relevant and helpful

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Speaker 1: to you as well. So with all that said, before

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Speaker 1: we do get Lindsay on the line, I have an

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Speaker 1: important announcement. Daan, is it big? It's it's real big.

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Speaker 1: It's a I was about to make a Donald Trump joke,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not going to this. You know, you and

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Speaker 1: we have talked about this a lot. Right in the

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Speaker 1: beginning of most of our episodes, at least for the

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Speaker 1: past year or so, we usually have like an intro

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Speaker 1: period where you and me talk and bs for all right,

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Speaker 1: And I've mentioned to you in the past that we

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Speaker 1: that bummed me out when I first heard that. But

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Speaker 1: but since we've, like, since i've verbalized that, you know,

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Speaker 1: to you, like I don't know, so many months ago,

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Speaker 1: I've gotten lots and lots of other comments and emails

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Speaker 1: from people saying, no, no, we love it, we love

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Speaker 1: the bs, keep it going, keep it going. But it's

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Speaker 1: always been something I've always wondered about, you know, is

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Speaker 1: it too much? Do we talk for too much to

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Speaker 1: the beginning? Do people not want to hear from you

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Speaker 1: get to the guests. I've been kind of sensitive to it.

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Speaker 1: Try and you know, what's the right balance. So this

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Speaker 1: past to two weeks ago, I think I sent out

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Speaker 1: a survey to our audience through our email, subscriber list

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Speaker 1: it was related to feedback on this podcast. So we

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Speaker 1: everyone that took that survey um, but specifically in that

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Speaker 1: suggestion section. A lot of people commented on our introductory

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Speaker 1: BS session, Dan, A lot of people have opinions on it.

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Speaker 1: So I am going to announce today what the overall

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Speaker 1: it or not like it? What's your guest, Dan, what

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Speaker 1: how dumb we sound. Those guys are idiots. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: feel pretty good about myself. That might be what it is.

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Speaker 1: I never thought of that, but it makes a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense. Oh that's funny. Well, regardless of what. I

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Speaker 1: but I'm here to report the results. Eighty one percent

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Speaker 1: So I apologize it, but we're going to keep doing them.

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Speaker 1: little insights. Although someone did complain about you always complaining

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Speaker 1: like what we're doing, and you too, Dan, So okay,

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Speaker 1: full disclosure. I love my family. Okay, I love them.

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Speaker 1: and I got to do it to somebody. This is

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Speaker 1: I can't complain to my wife. No, this is your

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Speaker 1: safe place, Dan, I want to keep this your safe place.

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Speaker 1: You can share those things all right, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So so that said that, I guess we do have

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Speaker 1: to hear about your shed rally. Right. This past weekend

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Speaker 1: But when I opened the cameras, look closer, the cameras

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Speaker 1: All those sons of bitches. God, okay, d I was

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Speaker 1: and somebody's try That's exactly what we've been thinking, is

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Speaker 1: so there's someone right now. Maybe you're listening, if you're

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Speaker 1: if you are listening, and there are some people in

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Speaker 1: least let me see what's on there and all serious.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a shame. And uh, the rest of

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Speaker 1: of where you are and your in your hunting career,

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Speaker 1: but also your communicatings and journalism career of really pulling

429
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Speaker 1: yourself up by your own bootstraps and uh, learning as

430
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Speaker 1: you go, but and not being afraid to tell your followers, um,

431
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 1: not only your successes, but your failures and what you've learned,

432
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of the the downs and the

433
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: ups of of being a deer hunter and and being

434
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: Martin Kenyon and That's what I really think is kind

435
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: of the key to some of your appeal. I appreciate

436
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: that it's funny on this topic. I was talking to

437
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: to your colleague and my and Matt Ross who also

438
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: works with the q d m A, and we're talking about,

439
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: you know, what I've been doing and kind of the

440
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: stories I've shared everything, and Matt kind of said something similar.

441
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 1: He said, he told me that I have the market

442
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: cornered on failure. So I guess, I guess that's the thing.

443
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far. But then Matt's from New York,

444
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: and there we have a good illustration of you know,

445
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: Southern hospitality and politeness versus uh, Northern honesty exactly. I

446
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: gotta kick out of that one. So that's awesome. So so, lindsay,

447
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: speaking of the North versus this, well, I don't want

448
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: to say the north of the South, but I'm speaking

449
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: about the differences between hunting in the South and hunting

450
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: other places. You know that That's really one of the

451
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: main things I wanted to talk about today, given the

452
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: fact that you know, me and Dan, we don't have

453
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: any experience hunting in the southern part of the country,

454
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: but a lot of our listeners do and our interest

455
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: in learning more about it. And I think even those

456
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: that hunt in the northern parts of the country, in

457
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: the Midwest, I think we can all learn something that

458
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: we can apply to our own deer hunt just by

459
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: better understanding what's going on in other parts of the

460
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: country too. So so really, at a high level, that

461
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: was my goal today is to to kind of pick

462
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: your brain about what's different, What do people need to

463
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: do differently that down there to have success, and a

464
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: lot of things like that. Um, And it sounds like

465
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: you were you were raised in Georgia, you hunting Georgia. Um,

466
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: maybe you've hunted other places across the South from your experience.

467
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: Do you believe that deer hunting in the South really

468
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: is that different from other places across the country? There

469
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: are a lot of small differences. I think I would say, Um,

470
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: it really, at the end of the day, is not

471
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: that different. Um. You know, you and I and Dan,

472
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 1: we're all deer hunters, and your listeners were all deer hunters,

473
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: and at the core there is a lot more that

474
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: connects us than separates us. But there are you know,

475
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: when I think about it, and there are a lot

476
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: of little ways that that it's different, um, but but

477
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: not so big that we don't still all understand each other,

478
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So yeah, there's a there're a

479
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: good many small ways that is different. And UM I

480
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: have not you know, I've hunted mostly in Georgia, hunted

481
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: a little bit outside of Georgia, I have, honestly, though

482
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: I've traveled there and seen dear properties there. I've never

483
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: hunted in the Northeast or the Midwest. UM So I

484
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: really haven't hunted out of the outside the South, I guess, uh.

485
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: And I've written about this before how I kind of

486
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: shared this characteristic with a lot of qum may members

487
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: and people who practice qt um in that you know,

488
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: and you can probably you know, you guys could probably

489
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: agree to this too, that um, I have a passion

490
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: for where I hunt and where I managed deer and

491
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: where I kind of know the dirt. And I get

492
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: invitations from friends who live in the Midwest, you know,

493
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: to come hunting with them and the man I would

494
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: love to do that given the time and money and

495
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: more of those resources were more abundant. But but it

496
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: even the day I have to be honest and say that, UM,

497
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: I still would rather go hang and hunt. I stand

498
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: in a place I know, based on information I know

499
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 1: about the de here, I've come to learn and hunt

500
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: those deer than to be, you know, go hunt with

501
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: a friend and be put in a stand that that

502
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: they know and even if it means seeing a bigger,

503
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: better deer. So um, don't get me wrong, I still

504
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: hope to take up those invitations one day when I

505
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: have more time again and money to travel and and

506
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: the freedom. But but really, you know, I'm passionate about

507
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: what I do and the deer I know. And there's

508
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: a lot of folks, deer hunters and q A members

509
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: that will tell you that that, yeah, we understand that

510
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: that I can't grow the same dear body size and

511
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: aunt ler wise then you can in other parts of

512
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: the country. But I still would rather, you know, hunt

513
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: the deer. I know. That's that's what this passion is about.

514
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: So no, I haven't gotten out of the South, but

515
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 1: in terms of hunting, but being an editor for Quality

516
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: White Tails and current communications direct for qum ay. You know,

517
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: when I came here at thirteen years ago, all of

518
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: a sudden I had a national audience where I had

519
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: not had that before. And I have learned over the

520
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: years many of these little ways that separate us terminology

521
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: and and differences and approach, differences in habitat um that

522
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: do make a difference when it comes to perspective and

523
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: communicating one deer hunter to another about what you do

524
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: versus what I do, um and making assumptions you can't

525
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: make about you know, understanding what you understand about how

526
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: deer hunting works and what our perspectives are. So so yeah,

527
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 1: I've it's been something over the years that I've I've learned,

528
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: uh again, all these sort of small ways that separators.

529
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: I first want to say that we I think Dan

530
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: I both definitely a percent agree with you about that

531
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: special connection you can have with a place and how

532
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: much fun and how fulfilling it is to hunt you know, uh,

533
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: a location or dear population where you can get to

534
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: know the area, get to know maybe the deer and patterns,

535
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: and figure all those things out and do it yourself.

536
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: For me, at least, I love being able to do

537
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: it myself. I just I just don't have the same

538
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: enjoyment or fulfillment if I was just showing up at

539
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: a random place and being put somewhere Um, so I

540
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: totally get what you're saying with that for sure. Um.

541
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: Another thing you mentioned though, was was kind of your

542
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: connection with that region and deer hunting in the South,

543
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: and it got me thinking about culture and history. Um,

544
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, I imagine, I assume there's some interesting things

545
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: about deer hunting culture in the South that me up

546
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: here in Michigan and dan Iowa we just don't know

547
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: about or understand. Is there anything that you can think of,

548
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, off the top that you had about the

549
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: history or culture of deer hunting in the the South. It's different.

550
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: That's you know, something important to to you down there

551
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: and to other hunters in the area that is worth mentioning. Yeah,

552
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: and and a lot of these things kind of tie

553
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: back to some of the big picture differences between these

554
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: regions of the country, you know. To to cite an example,

555
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: one of the first things I learned when I came

556
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: to work for QT May and began organizing and planning

557
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: and publishing quality White Tales with some of the terminology

558
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: I had to be careful about, like hunting lease or

559
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: hunting club. Um. In the South, you know, I grew

560
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: up talking about going to the hunting club or the

561
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: concept of having a lease, a deer hunt lease. And

562
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: I what I learned, um, right off the bat was

563
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: those terms are not well known in the North and

564
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: the Midwest, and that I think that's changed some over time.

565
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: And in fact, there's even some you know, you you're

566
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: here complaints that the concept of leasing hunting rights has

567
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: expanded from the South into the North and a lot

568
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: of people in the North aren't happy about that change. Um.

569
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: But historically, growing up in the South, the idea of

570
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: a hunting club and a hunting lease was sort of ubiquitous.

571
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: It was, you know, just understood that that was the

572
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: predominant way a lot of people had the rights to

573
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: hunt land, was they least those rights, um, And often

574
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: they would form what we're called what we just sort

575
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: of referred to as hunting clubs. And I think in

576
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: North maybe that evoked, um, kind of the the idea

577
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: of a country club, you know, where sort of the

578
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: elite go to play golf or in this case, go

579
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: to hunt. But that's not at all what it is.

580
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: It's just kind of became the term for where average

581
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: deer hunters like us, that was where you went on

582
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: the weekend to your lease. And joined the guys in

583
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: the club, and you camped and whatever, and you did

584
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: your hunting and those terms when I stop and think

585
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: about them, not only the term hunting club and leaves,

586
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: but the idea of leasing property rights goes pretty far

587
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: back in the South. And ultimately what that comes from,

588
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: I believe is the predominant UM landownership pattern historically of

589
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: large timber companies owning most of the land UM. And

590
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: I think timber companies were some of the first to realize, hey,

591
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: if we're owning this land to produce timber income, what

592
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: else can what are the types of income can we

593
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: get out of this? And the hunting lease, the lease

594
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: of hunting rights became one of those things. We will

595
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: charge folks extra for the right to come in during

596
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: deer season and hunt deer on our timber lands. And

597
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: that's an additional source of income. And that goes way back,

598
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: and you don't have I think those concepts are more

599
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: foreign in the North and the Midwest because that historical

600
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: pattern of large sumber companies a small number of very

601
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: big for profit timber companies owning the majority of the

602
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: land UM is not there. You don't see that that

603
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: pattern UM and like we have in the South and

604
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: still have today. Now it's changing, but historically, over the

605
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: long term, timber companies were if you didn't own a

606
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, a farm or whatever, or own land you

607
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: were most deer hunters were going to a timber company lease. Uh,

608
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: they were leasing those rights. And in fact, many of

609
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, when I was remember being a young, very

610
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: young boy, even before I was tagging along my dad,

611
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: my dad was hunting least timber company land, or he

612
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: was hunting you know, with his friends local w may's

613
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: that were timber company land leased by the state for

614
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: public hunting opportunities. And many of those w mays go

615
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: way back. They're still around and many of them are

616
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: still timber company land that the state leases on behalf

617
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: of of hunters to have to hunt that public land.

618
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: And I think even some of the very first w

619
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: Mays in Georgia in the South for that concept that

620
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: timber coumptany land to state least so so, but you

621
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: also had you know, probably had more, and certainly today

622
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: have more situations where a group of hunters get together

623
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: lease a chunk of timber company land and that's their

624
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: quote hunting club and um you know, whether than call

625
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: it the lease or whatever. Hunting club kind of became

626
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: the predominant name for it, and it's you know, Friday

627
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: before opening day of gun season here in Georgia, you

628
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: can watch the Hunting Club head, you know, the all

629
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: the trucks pulling trailers loaded down with four wheelers and

630
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: coolers and food plot seed um heading out of Atlanta,

631
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: out of urban areas, out of the town's um, you know,

632
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: into the countryside to the hunting club and the hunting lease. Uh,

633
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of you know, big picture that that

634
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: format there of timber company land um explains some of

635
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: that culture that you don't find in the North, where

636
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: in general, as I've come to find, property sizes are

637
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: on average much smaller. Uh. You have a lot more

638
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: private landholners with much smaller tracts than you do in

639
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: the South, where you have fewer private landowners and bigger tracts.

640
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: Now that's changing that the timber company model of course

641
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: is now breaking up even in the South for a

642
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: number of reasons. But it really ultimately can be tied

643
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: back and helped explain a lot of things we'll talk about,

644
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: you know right now, including habitat um the the average

645
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: habitat that a Georgia or Southern deer hunter looks at

646
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: when he or she hits the woods UM is different

647
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: than what you see in the North and the Midwest.

648
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: And a lot of that's explained by that historical UM

649
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: pattern of timber company ownership. That definitely is it makes

650
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: sense when I think about some of these things that

651
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: the few things I do know about UM hunting in

652
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: the South, with that context of the land ownership and

653
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: how that works, I can see how some of those

654
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: things kind of kind of happened to the point of

655
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: deer hunting clubs. That's something, right, I'm not really exposed

656
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: to that having experience with that, but but I've heard

657
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: about it a lot. Can you tell us a little

658
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: bit more about I know you mentioned a group of

659
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: guys and that they'll have that you know, they'll share

660
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: hunting access to a property. But can you elaborate a

661
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: little bit about, you know, what specific how specifically a

662
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: deer hunting club works, because I've always kind of wondered

663
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: about this. You know, I've heard that sometimes clubs have

664
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: like a board where you show up on a Friday

665
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: and you have to you know, you get rights to

666
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: a certain stand or different things of that. I mean,

667
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: how do these large groups of people twenty thirty people

668
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: or however large they might be. I guess you could

669
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: better tell me that. But how does a large group

670
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: of people like that share properties, share responsibilities on the property,

671
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: all those things that I'm kind of I don't know

672
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. So so tell me, lindsay, how

673
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: does the deer in the club work? It varies? Um,

674
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: You'll see a lot of different groups trying different things. Um.

675
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: And ultimately that's kind of one of the dynamics. It's

676
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: interesting about a lot of clubs and how they manage

677
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: that and how everybody gets along and um. But it's yeah,

678
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: you see different things. Um. But basically, like I said,

679
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: it's it's a group of guys, whether it is you know,

680
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: me and some of the people I work with, or

681
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: neighbors or church group or just you know, sometimes even

682
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: people just put out want ads and meet each other

683
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: on the line or whatever or that way. I got

684
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: a lease in so and so County looking for members, um,

685
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: and you know, someone somewhere gets access to the lease,

686
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: whether it's from you know, leasing them rights, from a farmer,

687
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: from somebody who owns private land or timber company or whatever.

688
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: And let's say they got the lease, and now we

689
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: put the club together. You get your members, however you

690
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: recruit those people you don't know, people you do know. Um,

691
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: you divide up. You kind of look at Okay, so

692
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: I've got you know, uh, lucky enough to lease two

693
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: thousand acres, let's say, and how many people do I

694
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: want on that given the rate the timber company is charging,

695
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: and and you know, hunting pressure, what's what's the balance

696
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: we can find there? So everybody can you know, I

697
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: can afford it. The people I invite can afford it.

698
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: But we don't have you know, people crawling all over

699
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: each other in the deerwoods. Um. And and everybody sort

700
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 1: of has an enjoyable experience for the price they're paying.

701
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: And so you start there. You you kind of, you know,

702
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: decide what the mix is. And a lot of it

703
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: depends on who organized the thing. Um my dad, Uh,

704
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: the club still exists, but my has no longer in it.

705
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm no longer in it. I was a member for

706
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: a while several years ago. But my dad was a

707
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: member for a club for years that was actually put

708
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: together in like nineteen seventy two way back that one

709
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: of my dad's good long time friends put together in

710
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: Middle Georgia on the Flint River leasing timber company land.

711
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: And in fact, the timber company owning the land has

712
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: changed over the years as various companies have sold each

713
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: other out, but the club is still there. It's probably

714
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: one of the you know, one of the longer running

715
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, same group of deer hunters in the club

716
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: in Georgia. But um, and it just depends on who

717
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: organized it. Well, the guy who who put this together

718
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: was kind of the guy who who didn't mind spending

719
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: the time putting together rules and kind of serving the

720
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: uh the leader and you know, calling the shots and

721
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: um deciding you know what the everything from um uh

722
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: you know what kind of camp or can you bring

723
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: to the camp to sleep in? And and how many

724
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: people can be in camp and you know on a

725
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: weekend and and and like you said, how do you

726
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: decide who once where? There's various ways people have done it,

727
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: from having you know, a map on a pinboard where

728
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: his first front, first come, first serve and you you

729
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: get there in the morning or whatever, and you put

730
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: your pen on the board and saying I'm going here

731
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: and you've got that stand for you know that day.

732
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: It's any number of ways you want to carve it up.

733
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: Us have literally areas where you know, Okay, Mark's got

734
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: his stand down by the creek down there, and that's

735
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: his area. I don't go in there. I've got to

736
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: find some other area and put my stand. Um, and

737
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: you hash it out that way. So a number of

738
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: different you know, plans and regimes have come up in

739
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: ways that hunters have dealt with this, you know, And

740
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: it raises the question then of rules and and what

741
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: happens with the rule violator? Um, if you've got somebody

742
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: in camp who showed up where he's not supposed to

743
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: be or not supposed to be or hunting, somebody stam

744
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: when they're not there and they didn't have permission. It's

745
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: just like uh meaning any branch of society, just like

746
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: a workplace where you know, you've got people you get

747
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: along with, sometimes you get people you don't and uh um,

748
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, how do you handle infringements in in any

749
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: corner of society? To the Hunt Club is a microcosm

750
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: of that. And and you know, the leadership sometimes like

751
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: you said, there's a board, um and and you know,

752
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: a board votes to decide on the rules and what

753
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: happens to people who break them? And so yeah, it's

754
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: it's a many many little political world and many hunt

755
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: clubs and some last and and because they've got you know,

756
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: good organization, good core group of people, and some don't

757
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: last long, and there's turnover. Uh. Though generally what you'll

758
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: find is it can be tough to find a good

759
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: timber company lease. You know, timber company leases don't sit

760
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: out there waiting for people to get them, unless you're

761
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: talking about a hundred acre clear cut that just as

762
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: a miserable place and nobody wants to pay the rate.

763
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: But and you know, generally what's available each year is

764
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: the less of desirable stuff. But if you've got a

765
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: hunting cup, a timber company lease on quality land, you

766
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: know you don't want to lose it. So people will

767
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: often put up with, you know, maybe less than desirable

768
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: conditions with the people they hunt with, or the rules,

769
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: or they don't necessarily like you know, how the group's

770
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: governing everything. But you know, the alternative is being back

771
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: out in the cold hunting for a place to where

772
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: are you gonna be hunting this fall, and that can

773
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: be tough. So it's a it's an interesting dynamic. Wow.

774
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: I got a quick question for those people who who

775
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: don't have, um, I guess hunting clubs or hunting leases

776
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: to go to, does Georgia or maybe the rest of

777
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: the South, because I lived in Alabama for a while

778
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: and I mark I actually did hunt one bow season

779
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: down in Alabama. Not not a lot because I was

780
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: because I was really busy with my job back then,

781
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: but I hunted in a large national forest that allowed hunting.

782
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: And is there a lot of public ground where you

783
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to lease? I know you mentioned um

784
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: some of the state leases the timber ground, But is

785
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: there any I guess property in the South that is

786
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: st public ground that guys can go to whenever they want. Sure,

787
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, we've got public land just like y'all do.

788
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: We've got national forest land, we've got state owned w

789
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: may land, UM, federal refuges. Uh. Yeah, we've got all

790
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: that too. Um. You know, and I know a very

791
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: state state and around the regions in terms of percent

792
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: of private versus public land, we've got that too. Um.

793
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 1: You know I've got we've got in Georgia. Just an example,

794
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: I've got w May's all over the state. I hunt

795
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: public land myself from time to time. We've got you know,

796
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: everything from the wide open w May. That's just state

797
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: seasons and and no quote on numbers of hunters and

798
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: anybody can go. And we've got the higher quality hunts

799
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: that are limited by quotas and you apply and get drawn.

800
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: Um that are you know, more desirable, So you know,

801
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: hunt public land too. And now there's there's plenty of

802
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: that too. And and I guess I didn't mean to

803
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: imply that every deer hunter in Georgia and the South

804
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: hunts and a hunting club or an a least situation,

805
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, we don't. We've got the other aspects like

806
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: y'all do where you know your neighbor has hundred acres

807
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: of the farm land and let you hunt there, or

808
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: you know your buddy at church brought you in on

809
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: hunting his his granddaddy's land, or um, you know whatever.

810
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: And also just the folks who own their own land

811
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: or have a small recreational track, you know, and that

812
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: number is growing. So we've got all those other aspects.

813
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: But I think it's the um, it's the hunting timber

814
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: company lease that's very common throughout the South that stands

815
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: out as being something that you don't see in the

816
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: Midwest and the North. Is that that answer your question? Yes,

817
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: it does. And on that. On that to that note,

818
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: I guess, um you mentioned while you were explaining kind

819
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: of this situation with a lot of these large timber companies,

820
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: the fact that there's some unique habitat in a lot

821
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: of parts of the South that that's pretty unique compared

822
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: to maybe what we're dealing with in different parts of

823
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: the country. Can you share this what some of those

824
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: unique habitat types are. Um, I'd love to hear about,

825
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, a handful of those common habitat types across

826
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: much of the South. And then I, um, you know it,

827
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: we'll dive into a couple of one or two of those,

828
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: um and getting some details of how you might approach

829
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: hunting it or how it makes things unique. But I

830
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: guess at a high level, first question, are there some

831
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: common habitat types unique to the South? Yeah? Just um,

832
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: big picture and this kind of explains that, I think,

833
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: or will health explain it in in in an area

834
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: what we're talking about when we talk about the South.

835
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: We're don about multiple states. Even within Georgia, you've got

836
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, we have I was growing growing, grew up

837
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: in the coastal plain where sandy soils and palmettas and

838
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: Spanish moss and live oaks, um and we've got everything.

839
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: You go to North Georgia just north of here where

840
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: I am now, and you've got Appalachian Mountains, Blue Ridge Mountains,

841
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: uh and everything in between. So we've got a very

842
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, wide range of habitat types just within the

843
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: state of Georgia, but across the face of the South

844
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: the dominant kind of pattern and this can be explained.

845
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you want to share this

846
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: website in your show notes later, but there's a neat

847
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: website I've been referring to in the last couple of years,

848
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: just before you know, to to helping me understand some

849
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: of this stuff. And it's a site put together by

850
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: the University of Maryland Department of Geographical Sciences, and it's

851
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: called Global Forest Change and it shows the whole world,

852
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: but you can zoom in on the US and what

853
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: this thing shows in color is loss of forest, extent

854
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: of forest cover, gain of forest cover. Basically changes in

855
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: forest cover around the world. And it doesn't in colors.

856
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: It shows you, you know, forest that has vanished in

857
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: the last year or two, forests that has appeared in

858
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: the last year two, forest that's been there, you know,

859
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: in place unchanged. UM in forest that doesn't exist. UM,

860
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: places like the plains where you don't have forests or

861
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: agricultural areas. And in real quick, I mean, if you

862
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: could see this thing, it will show you what I'm

863
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: about to tell you. And if you look at this

864
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: thing like I'm telling telling you, there's a you can

865
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: toggle this map setting called loss extent gain. Uh. It's

866
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: largely red, greens, blues, purples of those sorts of colors,

867
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: and black where you don't have forests. And here's what

868
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. Across the South, from East Texas to

869
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: Georgia and up the Atlantic coast to Virginia. You're looking

870
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: at uh, reds, blues and purples. And what that is

871
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: is constant forest turnover. That's that is timber practices in

872
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: the South. UM. It's not forest laws necessarily, though certainly

873
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: around areas like Atlanta and other urban centers you were

874
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: seeing some forest laws, but by and large, in the

875
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: majority we're looking at in rural areas that I'm well

876
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: from you with. We're looking at forest turnover, timber practices

877
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: of harvesting timber, replanning timber, and growing it again UM.

878
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: And what that produces is young forest, a lot of

879
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: young forest cover. Whether you were talking about a clear cut,

880
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred acres that was just clean cut

881
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: last year and they're gonna come in and replant it

882
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: in time, or you're talking about you know, one two

883
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 1: or three year old um what we call planet times.

884
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: It's that clear cut replanted in rows of pines um

885
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: or just a select cut where they've come in and

886
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: cut certain trees and left others um to regenerate certain

887
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: pine trees, to regenerate pine or hardwood growth. But anyway,

888
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: this this timber process turns over and creates a lot

889
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: of young forest cover. And that's the big picture of

890
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: what we deal with in the South. When you look

891
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: at this map, what you see, uh in the northeast

892
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: is a lot of bright green and that is mature

893
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: forest that is not seeing turnover. And when you look

894
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, even southern Michigan and southern Wisconsin, southern Minnesota,

895
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: but across the Illinois, Iowa, Ohio. You see a lot

896
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: of black that's farmland interspersed with little, tiny, little threads

897
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: of green, you know, just a barest, little blush of

898
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: bright green of you know, mature hardwoods. So you know,

899
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: in a nutshell, what you're seeing is the Midwest where

900
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: you don't have much forest compared to open agricultural lands,

901
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: and the Northeast where you have a lot of forested cover,

902
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: but it is mature hardwood forest that is rarely turned over,

903
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: versus the South where it is highly active uh in

904
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: timber production and timber rotation, thinning, cutting, clear cutting, replanning

905
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: and growing timber, and that produces us said before, what

906
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: hunters are faced with. What I'm faced with when I

907
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: go hunting in the South is a lot of cover.

908
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: It's good in a way, it's a lot of covering,

909
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: a lot of forage for deer, but it makes it

910
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: tough to hunt deer because, um, we don't have you know,

911
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: you talk about funnels and bottlenecks, I don't know what

912
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: that is. Um. Really, in the South, most hunters find

913
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: it difficult to identify what Midwesterners talk about as a

914
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: bottleneck or a funnel. Um because we're dealing with, you know,

915
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: two hundred clear cuts that are you know, two years

916
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: old and neck deep in briars. Uh, we're dealing with

917
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: the same size and planet pones. We're dealing with you know,

918
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: thin timber that's developed a very good understory. Again, good things.

919
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: These are good for wildlife and particularly dear forge and

920
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: deer cover, but makes it mighty tough um to predict

921
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: specific deer movements, especially if you're talking about in bow

922
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: range of one um. So big picture, that's kind of

923
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: when you say habitat differences or habitat types, there's kind

924
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: of the key that explains a lot of what differs

925
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: in lingo and hunting approach and habitat management South compared

926
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: everywhere else. Yeah, that's it definitely sounds very different compared

927
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: to much of what Dan and I operate within here

928
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: in the Midwest. So, so will that being the case,

929
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: then let's just operate under this assumption that a significant

930
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: amount of the South Southern hunters are facing those types

931
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: of circumstances that kind of habitat. How in the heck

932
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: do you figure out how to hunt those places? I mean, let'

933
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: let's start at a high level lindsay, how do you

934
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: how did deer use that terrain? You know, I know

935
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: that here in the Midwest, right, we can easily identify

936
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: betting areas, we can easily identify feeding areas, and then

937
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: it's you know, not too difficult to figure out how

938
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: they get from A to B and then a lot

939
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: of our hunting strategy revolves around that. But in a

940
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: situation like you, like you shared huge timber, maybe really

941
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: new timber, or clear cuts of these different types of deals,

942
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: how do you personally go about figuring out how dear

943
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: behavior excuse me behave there and then hunt them. Trail

944
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: cameras are a big part of it now, and I

945
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: know that's true where y'all are. Um, I know, you

946
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: know there's not a deer hunt anywhere in North America

947
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't love and use trail cameras. Um. And in

948
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: many cases to pattern deer they weren't hunt and those,

949
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: of course, you know, are a key. But you know,

950
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: by and large it it comes down to and again,

951
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: much of what I'm gonna say here is won't surprise you.

952
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: Y'all do it too. Keying on food sources, keying on

953
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: where are the dose During November during the rut um,

954
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: which November didn't needn't necessarily the rut In the South,

955
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: we've got plenty of areas where you know, in coastal

956
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: Georgia where I'm from, the rud is in late October. Um,

957
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: you get down into Florida, it's even earlier. You get

958
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: into Alabama, it's even later. Uh. You know. So we're

959
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: kind of all over the map in terms of rut peak,

960
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: although most of it is November, like you guys, But

961
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: but in November it's where the dove is gonna be

962
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: getting somewhere where you can see a long way. A

963
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: lot of folks, particularly on Timber Counting land, will hunt

964
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: a clear cut, get in a climber and get a

965
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: big tall pine tree, and get where you can see

966
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: a long way um, and make sure you're you know,

967
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: make sure that your your rifle is dialed in and

968
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: you've shot it at three yards um, because when the

969
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: deer moving, that's your best opportunity to really get your

970
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: eyes on amature buck. And when you look at some

971
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: of the data like in our white Tail report. Uh.

972
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: And I know you've already visited with Kiffle by the

973
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: white Tail Report, and I don't want to get into

974
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: that too much. But if you look at um our

975
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: latest White Toil report, look at deer harvest by a

976
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: weapon type, what you see is in the South it's

977
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: dominated by rifles UM and not so much by bows

978
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: and muzzleloaders, whereas in the Midwest Northeast you see a

979
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: lot higher harvest with bows UM and and less with

980
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: rifles UM. I think that's probably a factor also of

981
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: in the South, we have a lot longer firearm season

982
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: traditionally in many states than you do in the North

983
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: and Midwest, so we spent a lot more time hunting

984
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: with rifles. But I think a lot of it too

985
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: has to do with that that tendency of much of

986
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: the habitat we hunt being being fairly thick and trying

987
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: to get somewhere where you can see a long way. Now,

988
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: we certainly have bottom heart bottom land hardwoods, which is

989
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: kind of the equivalent of the um mature hardwoods you

990
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: see in the Northeast, or the mature hardwood fingers and

991
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: creek bottoms and drainages in between a fields you see

992
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: in the Midwest. That's our open hardwoods is you know,

993
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: rivering floodlands floodplains um where we have a lot of

994
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: the oaks species white oaks and swamp chests and oaks

995
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: and others that that produced the mast, particularly swamp chests

996
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: and oaks that fall later in the year. That can

997
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: be where you'll see doose and of course the bucks

998
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: during November when the ruts on. UM. But generally folks

999
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: are trying to get where they can see a long way.

1000
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: Food plots, of course play a big role in it.

1001
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: Think I really can't to how important food plots are.

1002
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: Two hunters in the Midwest and the Northeast, so I know,

1003
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: you know they like you guys like food plots just

1004
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: as much as we do. But um, food plots are

1005
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: a key for many hunters in the South. Uh. You know,

1006
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: particular a lot say that are hunting a timber company

1007
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: leaves where you're dealing with a lot of young pines

1008
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 1: and a lot maybe a lot of clear cuts, and

1009
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: you've got for edge and brows pretty much across the

1010
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: landscape coming up in that young forest. So you know,

1011
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: providing a food plot with something that is green on

1012
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: into the cooler season, um like cereal grains or oat clover,

1013
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: uh like Brassica's that's gonna be attractive, particularly you know,

1014
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: into December in January. Um those are key. Unfortunately many

1015
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: of us over hunt them because of that. You know,

1016
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 1: many people think of food plots as being the plate,

1017
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: the place to go, and they can be as we

1018
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: all know, just like y'all know, it's just like anything else,

1019
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: if you overpressure it, it's not gonna be good. You're

1020
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: not gonna see mature bucks on food plots regardless if

1021
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: you're over pressuring it. Um So, from a behavioral standpoint, dear,

1022
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: just like y'all dear, they respond to pressure. They behave

1023
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: and act in response to how we behave in act.

1024
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes the prediction predictability comes with predicting

1025
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: places where you haven't been and and working around your

1026
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: own pressure. Uh So, food plots are important. Reading pressure

1027
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: is important. And in trail cameras really delineating, um where

1028
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: a buck's home range is on your property that you

1029
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: can hunt. We all know that. You know, unless you've

1030
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: got thousands of acres, you know, we know most of

1031
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: us out there are hunting a hundred two hundred acres

1032
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: maybe at the most. That's not going to contain the

1033
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: average bucks home range in most cases he's gonna overlap

1034
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: you or maybe you know, cover three quarters of your

1035
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: property with his home range or whatever. So using that

1036
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: trail camera, once you identify a buck you like, um,

1037
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: that you really love to see during hunting season, UM,

1038
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: using your trail cameras to to really define what parts

1039
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: of your property that you can hunt. Uh. And I

1040
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: don't mean to say property in terms of implying on ship,

1041
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: but wherever you're hunting, using that trail camera to delineate

1042
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: that box home range and how it overlooks where you

1043
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: hunt and where he's using those areas most often to

1044
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,479
Speaker 1: help you kind of intersect with him during the rut,

1045
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: all while trying not to pressure him out of that area.

1046
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: So a lot of that would sound familiar, you're to you,

1047
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure, right, yeah, yeah, there definitely, But I think

1048
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: to your point, it seems like there's definitely some unique

1049
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: reasons why it might be even more important where you

1050
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: guys are at with that type of terrain, because you know,

1051
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: like we talked about, I think terrain and the lack

1052
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: of the lack of cover in some areas can help

1053
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: us in the Midwest, you know, kind of assume dear

1054
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: movement because it's just obvious there's going to be certain

1055
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: areas they are or are not going to travel versus

1056
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: I think in these types of habitats, as you mentioned,

1057
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: you can't make those types of assumptions. So so I

1058
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: can totally understand how a trail camera has a disp

1059
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: disproportionately higher value to start learning some of those things

1060
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: that in other places you might be able to assume.

1061
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: So it's interesting, Dan, what do you think about all this?

1062
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: I have a question in regards to I guess weather

1063
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: and temperature specifically. I mean, I lived in Atlanta for

1064
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: about six months and it was hot down there, and

1065
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: it was hot all the time, and even in December

1066
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: when I was down there, And my question is I've

1067
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: never really you know, I hunted that one year in

1068
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: Alabama and it it's it flurried for maybe a day

1069
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: and it didn't even it didn't even accumulate on the ground,

1070
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: and they closed schools. You know, up here in Iowa

1071
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: a foot of snow and you're still it's a two

1072
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: hour delay. But what I'm getting at is does temperature

1073
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: down there affect dear because it is warmer down there

1074
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: differently than the Midwest and the reason I ask, is

1075
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: we all we all try to get in the stand

1076
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: when there's a huge weather pattern coming through and we

1077
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: know the temperature is gonna drop drastically. Is that same

1078
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: thing happening down there? It is the same thing. I

1079
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: would have said, just what you just said. We all

1080
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: try to get int the woods when there's a front

1081
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: coming through and you know the temperature is gonna drop,

1082
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 1: the barometric pressure is gonna swing, and we know that

1083
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: you know that bluebird day when the winds finally settle

1084
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: the day after the front's gone through or two days after. Man,

1085
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna move, particularly in November. So yeah, that's yeah,

1086
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: it's hotter. I mean I burned a thermal cell the

1087
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: entire deer season this year, literally November December. Uh, in

1088
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: the January when our our season wrapped up, I had

1089
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: my thermal cell with me smoking the whole time, um

1090
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: to keep the mosquitoes off. That's just now, that's it's

1091
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: not always that way. We y'all know. We everybody had

1092
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: a normally warm fall this year. Um So, but yeah,

1093
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: pretty much through November you better have some some bugs prayer,

1094
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: skiter repellent um. So yeah, it's warmer, but the deer

1095
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: still respond which which I think is interesting too that

1096
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: maybe this explains why, you know, I encountered the term

1097
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: buck pole, which seems to be something you guys do

1098
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: where everybody hangs their deer or and comes to see it.

1099
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: And we don't do that here because if you hang

1100
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: your deer for a couple of hours and wait for

1101
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: somebody to come see it, you know it's gonna be spoiled. Um,

1102
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: so we don't, you know. And I remember visiting some

1103
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: family during deer season one time in New Jersey and

1104
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: we were riding around and I saw deer just hanging

1105
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: swinging from people's trees in the yard, you know, and

1106
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: look like they've been there, like people had, you know,

1107
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: shot some deer, shot a deer few over the weekend

1108
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: and was letting an age in a tree. And I

1109
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: can see where you could do that when we can't

1110
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: do that here. And um, maybe even I don't know,

1111
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: we have walk in coolers all over the place. That's

1112
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: a phrase you may not hear in the North walk

1113
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: in cooler, but a deer hunter in the South and

1114
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: knows what a walk in cooler is. Uh. It's a

1115
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: place you can put your deer other than in a

1116
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: physical cooler with ice. Um. So yeah, weather certainly plays

1117
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: a role there in terms of things like that, like

1118
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: what you can how long you can your deer out

1119
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: and taking around to show people before you've got to,

1120
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: um do something else with it. Um. But from a

1121
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: dear behavior standpoint, no, they respond the same way your

1122
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: dear dude to swing and temperature swings and barometric pressure,

1123
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: high winds, uh, rainy fronts um. And certainly you know

1124
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: that's what you're always hoping for in the South. Is

1125
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: you hope for that that post frontal bluebird day cool

1126
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: or deep cold um, calm day to align with your weekends? Um?

1127
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: And not you know happened on a Tuesday Wednesday when

1128
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: you've got to be at the office or or at work.

1129
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: So um yeah, same thing. So so I got a

1130
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: question for you, Lindsay related to that. Um you might

1131
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: have heard we had you might have for the episode

1132
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: we had Matt Matt Ross on the show last October

1133
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: and November I think it was last November, I think,

1134
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: and we talked about the science of the rut. And

1135
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: in that discussion, Matt showed a series of different studies

1136
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: that have been conducted across the country that disputed a

1137
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: lot of commonly held beliefs that we deer hunters have

1138
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: about how uh weather systems or the moon or different

1139
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: things might or might not influence deer movement. A lot

1140
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: of things you mentioned there that that me and Danon

1141
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: and are of our guests talk about a lot that

1142
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: we have seen and believe impact dear movement. But these

1143
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: studies in some cases seem to say that, no, those

1144
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: things aren't impacting dear movement. I'm assuming you probably saw

1145
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: these same things that I think you've probably written about it,

1146
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: published some things about some of these studies. How do

1147
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: you explain some of that where there's these commonly held

1148
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: beliefs that I think most of us agree, like gosh,

1149
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: we've seen it happen so many times. But some of

1150
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: this data coming out of these studies is you know,

1151
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: not showing that. How do you explain that or what

1152
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on some of those? I don't know.

1153
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: I struggle with that too, just like you'll do. I mean,

1154
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, as as communications direct for QB m A,

1155
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: you know that we base what we tell folks on

1156
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: the science and if you know, you look at a

1157
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: number of peer reviewed scientific studies, and they all seem

1158
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: to be pointing in a direction that really doesn't job

1159
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: with what you've been experiencing. You know, we can go

1160
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: to many examples over the years where something hunters assumed,

1161
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: even me included about dear behavior shown to be completely incorrect,

1162
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, when a number of good, sound scientific studies

1163
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: looked at that. So I struggle with that too, because, um,

1164
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: just like I just said, you know, man, it sure

1165
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: feels like those calm, cold days uh in November, or

1166
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: when you see more deer um, and that the deer

1167
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: seemed to move. And I do feel like I've hunted

1168
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: through the hot, buggy weather and felt like, man, they're

1169
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: just not moving. You just seem to have that, I mean,

1170
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: don't you just seem to have that instant when you're

1171
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: in the woods that it just doesn't feel like anything's moving. Um.

1172
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: So I don't know how to reconcile that other than

1173
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's the fact that we have this ingrained

1174
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: idea that that's that's when you go and we don't

1175
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: go when it's warm, and that can certainly play a

1176
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: role in what you know, if you're not in the woods, Um,

1177
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: when it's hot because you believe they're not gonna move

1178
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: till this weekend when the cold front breaks. How can

1179
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: you compare? And I don't know. That's the only thing

1180
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: I can figure is just across the masses of deer hunters.

1181
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: Most of us go when we think conditions are good,

1182
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: and so that's when you see the deer or certainly

1183
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: the evidence is there that the movement rates are the same.

1184
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: You know, look at breeding data on the rut hunters

1185
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: seem to feel and I know I've been there too,

1186
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: where you think, man, they're just wasn't a rut this year. Man,

1187
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: they just weren't moving. I didn't see the bucks, I

1188
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: didn't see the doze. The rut didn't happen, or it

1189
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: was late or it was early, or it was a

1190
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: trickle rut. You know, we have all these terminologies we

1191
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: talked about, and ye're in year out that the scientific data,

1192
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: the data coming from backdating fetuses from those harvested in

1193
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: late season or a various other studies and ways they

1194
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: get at this data shows you're in, you're out. The

1195
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: does are bred at the same time every year, even

1196
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: when it's hot, and we're thinking, man, the rut ain't

1197
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: happen and guess what they're doing. They're breeding. So the

1198
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: science is there that that despite what we perceive, um,

1199
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, deer doing sometimes deer and doing things sometimes

1200
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: that really go contrary to what we think they're doing.

1201
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: Believe you know, after years of hunting, they're doing. So yeah,

1202
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: I struggle with those saying questions. As a hunter, I

1203
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: still would maybe it's just because of the mosquitoes. I

1204
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: still would rather be out there on that you know,

1205
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: twenty degree morning in November, um with calm, you know,

1206
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: calm clear skies than you know, eighty five degrees and

1207
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: burning a thermo cell and sweating. Um. Yeah, so I

1208
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I can definitely relate to to that.

1209
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine having to use a thermo cell all

1210
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: the year because man, that those couple of early season

1211
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: hunts every year where there are mosquitoes, Hey, I hate

1212
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: it and be thank goodness for thermo cells. This is

1213
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: I guess we're kind of giving a strong endorsement here

1214
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: for the thervice cell on unintended, but man, they do work.

1215
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: They were and it's you know, it's funny you say

1216
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: that because thinking about hunting memories and culture and that

1217
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: kind of thing. When I first started going my hunt

1218
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: hunting with my dad, when I was a little and

1219
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: too you know, I was too small to carry again,

1220
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: I was just sitting on the deer stand with him,

1221
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: which is brings up another topic of hunter safety. How

1222
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: we used to ply the trees with nobody I knew

1223
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: on the safety harness. But I could climb up in

1224
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: the lock on my dad and I'd sit at his

1225
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: feet on the bottom part of the lock on and

1226
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: we you know, And that's how I'd go hunt with him.

1227
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: And there there was a product then. I don't know

1228
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: if they still make it called muscall in U s

1229
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: k O L. Have you ever heard of that? I

1230
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: don't think I have. It was and it's a hund

1231
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: percent deet I think, basically just what's in today's you know,

1232
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: bug repellents praise. But it was in a little plastic bottle.

1233
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: It was. It was kind of an oily tight liquid.

1234
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: You just put a little drops on your hand and

1235
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: rubbed it on your ears and your neck and your

1236
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: your face to keep the bugs off. And the smell

1237
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: of that stuff today, if I got a whiff of that, man,

1238
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: that would take me back. That's like for some people,

1239
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, the smell of a comb and lantern and

1240
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 1: deer camp, or the smell of their woolning jacket or

1241
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: for whatever. You know, everybody has those smells to take

1242
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: them back to those memories. And for me, you know,

1243
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: and I bet you you would find if you surveyed

1244
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: Southern deer hunters and said how many of you are

1245
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: taken back by the smell of skeeter repellent, you know,

1246
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a high percentage. But that's awesome, that's funny, interesting,

1247
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: it's it's that is definitely one of those. It's so funny.

1248
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, there's so many different small, you know,

1249
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,919
Speaker 1: cultural things or application type of things just a little

1250
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: bit different in the South that could have you know,

1251
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: larger implications or or our reflection of larger differences like that. Um.

1252
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: There was about seventeen things in the last like five

1253
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: minutes that you mentioned that I want to dive into further. Um.

1254
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: One of those is we talked a little bit about

1255
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 1: timing and how deer moved as an influencer, how deer

1256
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: move in relation to different factors, and you talked about

1257
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: the moon and the rut and how the rut seems

1258
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: to be pretty consistent, you know, year after year, despite

1259
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: what we may see. Um, I do know, and as

1260
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: I know, you mentioned earlier that the rut is a

1261
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: little bit different in different places in the South. Can

1262
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: you elaborate on that a little bit. That's something we

1263
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: haven't covered a ton in the past, But the rut

1264
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: is definitely a totally different thing in the South, that seems,

1265
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: at least in parts of the South. Can you tell

1266
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: us how it's different, why it might be different, and

1267
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: and what that means for hunting down there trying to

1268
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: figure out how to hunt the rut? Yeah, UM, basically

1269
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: kind of the under underlying machinery there is deer rut

1270
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: um longer and at various times earlier later in the

1271
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: South because they can um in the north. You know

1272
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: how it works that if um, given the extremes of

1273
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: seasons and forage availability and the harshness of winter, UM,

1274
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: that phone needs to hit the dirt at a certain

1275
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: time period during the year and a fairly narrow window

1276
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: to have you know, adequate forage for the mother and

1277
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: the milk, and adequate forage for weaning, so that that

1278
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: phone achieves a certain body side so that it can

1279
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: survive the following winter. We don't have that. We don't

1280
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: have that that pressure or survival survival pressure on on

1281
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: farms in the South, and as you go further into

1282
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: Central America, it's it's even less so. And what you

1283
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: find is down in Central America a white tell species

1284
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: breed almost year round and again because they can because

1285
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter when the phone hits the dirt. Uh,

1286
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: forage and winter and weather and climate are not going

1287
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: to be a survival pressure in most cases. And you

1288
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: see some different things here, like in in certain areas

1289
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: that flood seasonally the Mississippi and in certain areas like

1290
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: that that flood seasonally, or the Everglades of Florida where

1291
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: breeding is timed with um putting fonds on the dirt

1292
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: when they're not going to drown. UM, and they might

1293
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: uh you know, breed at a completely different time. But

1294
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: in general, as you go further south, UM it it

1295
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: often the the breeding dates can spread out over time,

1296
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: and we certainly see that, UM we do have I believe,

1297
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: a less defined rut though certainly you know they're getting

1298
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: the majority of the business done over two to three

1299
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: weeks in November or whenever the peak might be in

1300
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: a certain area, but they're that bell curve distribution of

1301
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: early and late breeders is probably broader in the South.

1302
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: You've got a lot more earlier breeders, a lot more

1303
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: late breeders. You know, we felt one of the places

1304
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: a hunt in middle Georgia, we felt really strongly that

1305
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: the rut was um, you know, pretty strong in the

1306
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: first two weeks of November. That was kind of our

1307
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: peak November one and November fifteen, and then late season

1308
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: we killed a couple of those that did have fetuses

1309
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: in them, and we did measure them and backdated them

1310
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: to mid October UM. So you know, there's breeding going

1311
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: on fairly early, fairly late at my family's land in

1312
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: southeast Georgia. Down there the coast, like where I said,

1313
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: we have an earlier rut. It's in late October UM.

1314
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: And you see that in coastal Georgia and coastal South

1315
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: Carolina and into Florida and along the Gulf Coast too,

1316
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: you see a October rut um. And again it's you know,

1317
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: mostly because historically they could do that, they could breed

1318
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: that early and not worry about fawn survival and fawns

1319
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: being born that early the following winter spring. So um uh.

1320
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: So you know at our my family's land in southeast

1321
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: Georgia where I said, they they're breeding mostly you know,

1322
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: Halloween is a great time to be in the woods.

1323
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: The last two weeks of October great. But you know

1324
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: we found fetuses that were conceived in um early sat

1325
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: Timber in late August. So um yeah there, and when

1326
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: you get on down into Florida, it's even crazier. It is,

1327
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, literally fourth of July. Um. As I wrote

1328
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: in an article in the New Last or two is

1329
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: years ago in Quality Wite Childs, I wrote about some

1330
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: new research that's out on why this is why the

1331
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: mixed up rut in the South and so many dates

1332
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: all over the calendar, and literally fourth of July you're

1333
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: in flip flops and some deer somewhere breeding in Florida. Um.

1334
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: Now in Alabama, in Mississippi and Louisiana, you've got some

1335
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: even later stuff where they're breeding into January and even February.

1336
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: And we think that has more to do with restocking,

1337
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: with moving some deer around them taking that photo period

1338
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: trigger with them, you know, the day length trigger that

1339
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: triggers breeding um and being moved from another area. Whether

1340
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: it was up North or Central America, We're not sure.

1341
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: And they came into these areas and that daylight trigger,

1342
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: day length trigger now was triggered on a different day

1343
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: in the calendar, because, as you know, day links very

1344
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean, right now, where you're sitting in Michigan, your

1345
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: day is gonna be shorter than my day here in Georgia.

1346
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: So daylink is always different wherever you are in terms

1347
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: of latitude. UM. And so that trigger was triggered at

1348
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: a different time for those deer once they were moved.

1349
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: And so these deer in Alabama these other areas that

1350
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: rut late had a trigger for whatever reason that um,

1351
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, led to them breathing late. And they did

1352
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: not have a climate control like you have in the North,

1353
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: where harsh winter would would tend to thin out any

1354
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: falls that came from those genetics. They didn't have that.

1355
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: So those dates persist today. UM. What are some of

1356
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: the hunting season lengths down south? I think I remember

1357
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: hearing someone say that there are certain seasons or certain

1358
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: states that for the very earliest you can hunt, maybe

1359
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: for archery, is in September and it lasts all the

1360
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: way into February. Yeah, it varies. Um in like in Alabama,

1361
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: for example, in Mississippi and those states that do have

1362
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: those extreme late ruts, they really don't get into their

1363
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: hunting seasons until later and they will hunt through January. UM.

1364
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: I think there's even some effort here afoot in Alabama

1365
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: lately to try to extend the season, or maybe they

1366
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: did successfully extended into early February because hunters were saying,

1367
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: look these they are still running and we got a

1368
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: quit hunting. Um So, but in in uh, Yeah, in

1369
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: Georgia where I am, we end up. Our bow season

1370
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: usually comes in around mid to third week of September,

1371
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: and then we hunt four to five weeks. Sometimes we

1372
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: get a and then we get a muzzle over primitive weapons.

1373
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 1: We bolted onto that before gun season comes in in

1374
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: uh the twentieth somewhere and there of October, uh, and

1375
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: then we we have all three firearms, bow and primitive

1376
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: weapons until early first or second weekend of January, and

1377
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: then we shut it down. South Carolina is even longer

1378
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: with their gun season, and they're you know known for this. Uh,

1379
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: it's insane. The season comes in August. Rifle season, Uh,

1380
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: and so it's the longest I believe long. This firearm

1381
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: season in the nation Uh runs um like we do

1382
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: all the way through January. Um. And so yeah, you'll

1383
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 1: see people in there look like they're going dove hunting,

1384
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: or at least dove hunting in the South, where you've

1385
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: got shorts and a T shirt and your boots on

1386
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, a coooner full of cold drinks

1387
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: going deer hunting. So um. But they start August fifteen.

1388
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, traditionally in the South, we have we do

1389
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: have longer seasons, uh for the most part. Um. That's

1390
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: a surprise often to Southern hunters who find out, you know,

1391
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: man like in Pennsylvania where you've only got a week

1392
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: or two weeks, or any other midwestern northern Eastern states

1393
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: where the firearms hunting is so much briefer, um, which

1394
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: of course leads to a lot of the traditions you

1395
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: have there, like school shutting down for you know, the

1396
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: opening day because it is such a short window and

1397
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: everybody's in the woods. Um. And certainly opening day of

1398
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: gun season and the other seasons is a big event

1399
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 1: here for us. UM. But it's a little bit more

1400
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: relaxed in that you know, if open day of gun

1401
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: season is October twenty something and it's gonna be a

1402
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: de degrees and you know, you're not that fired up

1403
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: about it. A lot of us go for the tradition

1404
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: of you know, I certainly do, I'm never gonna miss

1405
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: an opening day and tell you that whether it's bow

1406
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: or gunn um. But there's also the uh relief in

1407
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: knowing that, hey, if you go open a weekend you

1408
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 1: don't see anything, it's okay. You got November in the

1409
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: rut coming, and a lot of hunting in December and

1410
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: even in the January if you need it. So so

1411
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 1: so given the fact that a lot of these states

1412
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: down there have such so much longer firearm seasons from

1413
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: what I've heard and what it sounds like you mentioned there,

1414
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: would you say that there is a significantly different amount

1415
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: of hunting pressure on these deer and is that changing

1416
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: their behavior compared to what you hear about in some

1417
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: of these other states the Midwest and Northeast. Yeah, it's

1418
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: a good question. I'm not sure I've seen any data

1419
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: on that. Um. Certainly we've seen centy of data that shows,

1420
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: just like deer everywhere, that they do respond to pressure.

1421
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,560
Speaker 1: You can anticipate how they will respond to it fairly accurately.

1422
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: You can change your hunting strategies to ensure your hunting.

1423
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: You know, areas or deer that aren't seeing that kind

1424
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: of pressure or the pressure has kept to a minimum

1425
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. But yeah, certainly we know that when

1426
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: I know, speaking for Georgia and looking at the data

1427
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: I've seen on this before, that then we can A

1428
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: gun season is you know, pretty much a spike in

1429
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: participation um. And then you'll often see a spike. UM.

1430
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: You'll see you no no, we one weekend in November will

1431
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: probably be pretty high, and then you'll see a spike

1432
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: around Thanksgiving when you know a lot of people have

1433
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: time off and they're going deer hunting, but none of

1434
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: it really compares to the number of people in the

1435
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: woods on opening day. Um. And then it of course

1436
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: falls off into December because by then you know the

1437
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: ruts over. Um, you got holidays and family functions coming up. Uh.

1438
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: Some people just got they got their venison now and

1439
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: the freezer. They're good, they got their buck um, or

1440
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,759
Speaker 1: they're just you know, moving on to other things or whatever.

1441
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: It's certainly drop off in December UM and you could

1442
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: play those patterns if you wanted to, but you know,

1443
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: we're still dealing with the same issues that you have

1444
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: anywhere you have white tails, which is it's post rut.

1445
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: The bucks are, you know, trying to recover. You can

1446
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,919
Speaker 1: work some post rut patterns in terms of food UM

1447
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: and but if you you at that point, you have

1448
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: to have a food plot or an area with food

1449
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: at that time of year that hasn't already been pressured

1450
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: into the dirt UM and that can be a good

1451
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: strategy is to plant some food plots and set those

1452
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: aside and not hunt them until you know, put them

1453
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: in something like a brass core or a cereal grain

1454
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: that will be productive still at least in the South

1455
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: UM into December and January, and put it off limits,

1456
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: don't hunt it, don't le anybody else on it, and

1457
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: just tell them this is our late season, you know,

1458
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: post rut. Find a buck uh strategy here UM. But again,

1459
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 1: in most areas by that time it's been pressured pretty

1460
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: heavily and it can be tough. It can be very

1461
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: tough to find a pattern on the bucks, especially UH

1462
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: post rut in the South on that on that food

1463
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: plot topic. I ask two questions. Number one, are there

1464
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: any unique things you need to consider when planning food

1465
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: plots in the southern part of the country. Number one,

1466
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: I guess, well, let's just go there food plots. Is

1467
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: there anything unique when it comes to the food plot

1468
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: standpoint the people in the south, and you'll be thinking

1469
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: about different than than I do up here in Michigan. Um,

1470
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: not really. We certainly got a longer growing season and

1471
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: that that affects you know. That's one of the things

1472
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: I had to learn was was the difference between you know,

1473
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: a warm season food plot in south versus North that

1474
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: in the you know, in the North, you guys, and

1475
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: many areas can grow clover spring planet, and we can't

1476
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: do that here in Georgia. It will burn up in

1477
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: the summer. Um, it won't. And unless you've got it

1478
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,799
Speaker 1: in somewhere very moist or shady where it can survive

1479
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: through the summer. But a large, you know, food plot,

1480
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: half acre acre of clover is not going to make

1481
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: it through the summer. You need to be planning it

1482
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: in the fall, um and and getting it started that way. Um.

1483
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: So clover, you know, is not really a warm season

1484
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: planting for us, and I know it works that way

1485
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: in a lot of other examples. Even brassicas and cereal

1486
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: grains and other things like that can be planted um

1487
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: during the summer in the north, and we can't do

1488
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: that here. But at the same time, our growing season

1489
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: extends further into hunting season. We're not We're not seeing

1490
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: plots shut down. You know, our our earliest frosts are

1491
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: coming in uh and freezes are coming in November at best.

1492
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: And you know this past year it was even December

1493
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: and later before, particularly in southern Georgia and in the

1494
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: Deep South, before we saw any serious cold this year.

1495
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: So you know, those plots are are continuing to grow

1496
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 1: and be productive. And and by the time late season

1497
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,839
Speaker 1: comes around late December la January, you know those braskas,

1498
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: those cereal grains or whatever are really kicking it, and um,

1499
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: you know it can be be a good strategy and

1500
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: the deer not having to pick through snow to find it,

1501
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: So you know, we're not seeing that. I'm sitting here

1502
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:50,719
Speaker 1: by the way looking at a buck on my wall

1503
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: that was um I killed him in two thousand four.

1504
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: He's my best buckever. I killed him on my family's

1505
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: land in coastal Georgia. He at the time, he was

1506
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: the number two buck in the county. Um, and that's

1507
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 1: something we talk about two is is the importance of

1508
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: measuring your success where you stand versus comparing it other regions.

1509
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: But which is important in the south. But he was

1510
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: a number two buck in the county at the time.

1511
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: He's now I think number four. He's kind of bumped

1512
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: on down the list in the in the more recent years.

1513
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: But um he uh. He netted one thirty nine, he

1514
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: grossed one forty nine. He was five and a half

1515
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: years old. I killed him on Christmas Eve and and

1516
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: which is basically a dead zone for us in deer season.

1517
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: But it happened that year at our farm that we

1518
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 1: had a food plot through whatever, you know, we had

1519
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: set it aside to had brassicas in it that we

1520
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: had planted. Um and it got very Yeah. I don't

1521
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: think it had had any pressure at all during that

1522
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: hunting season. My family members and ours and myself had

1523
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 1: just not hit that for whatever reason that year. It

1524
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: wasn't like we set it aside and said, don't hunting

1525
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: this later, but through chance, it hadn't been hunted and

1526
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: me and my my family were heading to the farm

1527
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: that Christmas Eve to be there with my dad for Christmas.

1528
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: And we out there, you know, shortly after months on

1529
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve and my son Jake was four at the time,

1530
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry six, he was six years old at the time,

1531
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: and he was just aching to go deer hunting and

1532
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: it was terrible weather. A front was coming through. It

1533
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: was gonna rain all day on Christmas. It was nasty. Uh,

1534
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 1: it was already missing rain when we got there, and

1535
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: it was kind of, you know, just ugly weather. Wind

1536
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: was blowing and um, and I told Jake was like,

1537
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of nasty. You're sure you want to go

1538
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: deer hunt. He's like, yeah, let Dad, let's go, and

1539
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: and thank goodness he did. And and my dad said,

1540
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: you all ought to go down to the swamp rug

1541
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: is what we named this plot because nobody's been there,

1542
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 1: and uh, he said, I looked at it the other

1543
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: day and the deer really hitting it. So we went

1544
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 1: and thirty minutes later, outstepped this buck stood there. He

1545
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: had a mouthful Nebraska when I shot him. So you know,

1546
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: to me, that example is um just what we were

1547
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: just talking about, having a food plot or area set

1548
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: aside with with the cool season forage in it something

1549
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: that will be productive late, you know, when it might

1550
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: be colder, um, and that has not been pressured, and

1551
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: that could be your go to spot after the ruts over,

1552
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: after the bucks and those have all been pressured to death,

1553
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: and you know, the bucks were worn out and they're

1554
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: looking for food. And there's no doubt that that front

1555
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: I think played a role too, because the deal were

1556
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: really moving that afternoon. It was nasty weather for a hunter,

1557
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: but but there was a long uh front coming through.

1558
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: The barometric pressure really was changing. And I really believe.

1559
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: Here we go again me saying something that kind of

1560
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: is contradicted by the science, But I really believe that

1561
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: that buck was there because uh, he needed food and

1562
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: and he was in an area that was not had

1563
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: not been pressured. All right, now, given the fact that

1564
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: we're on the topic of food plots, we need to

1565
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: pause this conversation for just a quick minute for a

1566
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: word from our sponsors of this episode, the White Tail

1567
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: Institute of North America, and if you're not familiar, white

1568
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 1: Tail Institute is one of the foremost food plot seed

1569
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: companies in the country and the folks who run this

1570
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 1: company are some of the most experienced food plot users

1571
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: you'll ever find. So well, that said, today I wanted

1572
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: to share an important food plot hip from White Toil

1573
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: Institute employee John Cooner about the importance of soil tests. So,

1574
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: whether you hunt in the north, South, or in between,

1575
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: this is an important thing to learn about. The most

1576
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: important thing you can do is a laboratory soil tenness,

1577
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: and we hammer and hammer and hammer about that. Uh.

1578
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: It is so critical for a couple of reasons. One

1579
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: is for soil pH. That's the most important. This was

1580
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: a big lightbulb that came on in my head when

1581
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: I first understood this, I went, oh, my gosh, used

1582
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 1: to be we plan a food blot. Didn't look too good,

1583
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: Throw some more fertilizer on it. When I finally figured

1584
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 1: out what soil pH means, I guess is the word

1585
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: It really turned on the light bulb for me. It's

1586
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: basically a measurement of how well a plant can get

1587
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: nutrients out of the soil. Okay, and different plants have

1588
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: different ranges that are that are optimum for most high

1589
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,839
Speaker 1: quality deer for just like to have soil pH around

1590
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: six point five to seven point point five, right, and

1591
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: then we'll just call that new utral for our purposes. Um,

1592
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: most fallow soils are lower than that there is citic.

1593
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:09,879
Speaker 1: And what happens is this, the lower the soil pH

1594
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: goes below the optimum range for the plant the plants

1595
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: you're putting in, the more the nutrients and the soil

1596
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: are bound up in a way the plants can access them.

1597
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: And I'll give you I'll give you an example of

1598
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: how that works. Let's say you had a soil with

1599
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 1: a food plot with soil with soil pH of five

1600
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: point and you went out there and you bought a

1601
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: hundred bucks worth the fertilizer, put it out and planted

1602
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: a high quality deer for it. You might as well

1603
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: have just taken fifty dollars and thrown it down the

1604
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 1: drain because the plants can't get about half the nutrients

1605
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: in the fertilizer. So there you go. If you'd like

1606
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 1: to learn more, you can visit whitetail Institute dot com.

1607
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: And now let's get back to the show. Yeah. I

1608
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: think that's a great piece of advice for for lot

1609
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: of areas in general, just having you know, keeping an

1610
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: area like that safe and pressure free till later in

1611
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: the season when you know so many of these deer

1612
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: are searching out trying to find somewhere they can get

1613
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: to away from all the hunters. And if that happens

1614
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: to be on your property where you can hunt, um,

1615
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: you can have a significantly greater my success than a

1616
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: lot of the other people in your area that don't

1617
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: have that kind of safe place left. Um takes takes

1618
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of self control, but I think it

1619
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: can really pay off. And it doesn't necessarily have to

1620
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: be a food plot. You know, a lot of people,

1621
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: particularly these hunters I'm talking about, that are on a

1622
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: hunting lease, um you know we're public land or whatever

1623
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:35,839
Speaker 1: looking at me and saying, yeah, you had that private

1624
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:37,879
Speaker 1: farm or you had a food plot you can set aside.

1625
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: And this is true, but it doesn't necessarily have to

1626
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: be a food plot, you know, because, like we said

1627
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: in the Hunting Clubs, in that inner scenario where you

1628
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: have UM put as many guys on there as you

1629
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: can to keep these raised down for everybody, and there's

1630
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: not a lot of spare room you can there's not

1631
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 1: a lot of ability to plan a food plot and

1632
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: say nobody touched this till December. That can be tough

1633
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: to do um, and particularly on public land too. So

1634
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a food plot. Those places

1635
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 1: are still there. You need to break out the map

1636
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: and you need to ask yourself, what's the ugliest place

1637
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: on here that nobody's hunted, that everybody said at that

1638
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 1: place sucks, I'm not going there, or you know, for

1639
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 1: whatever reason, didn't go there, And that's where you can go.

1640
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: Don't have to be a Braska food plot. It might

1641
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 1: be a thicket. It might be just some rugged hillside

1642
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: that people didn't want to bother going down UM, and

1643
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: that can be it can do the exact same thing.

1644
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: There's a gray story I encountered a few years ago,

1645
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 1: back before I worked for q M a UM writing

1646
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: about a kid who killed this massive buck. He was

1647
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: in a hunt club with his dad. You know. The

1648
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: morning came, he went to the pennin board and he

1649
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 1: had his heart set on a particular stand. He knew

1650
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: where he was going, and when he got to the

1651
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: pin up board, a member of the club had already

1652
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 1: put his pen in that stand. Of course, the kid's

1653
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: heart was broken, but nothing they could do, that was

1654
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 1: the rules. His dad couldn't say anything. That was the rules.

1655
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: A member of the club had gotten there to the

1656
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: pin up board before the kid did, and there were

1657
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: no other stands left, no other you know, quote good

1658
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: spins up. So this kid literally just in in kind

1659
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: of frustration, jabs his pen in this clear cut um

1660
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: right next to the camp, grabs his climber and beats

1661
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: his way through the brush and the dark um literally

1662
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: a stone throw outside camp, until he finds a tree

1663
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: you can climb, gets up in it, daylight comes up,

1664
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: and what's the first thing you see, this monster block.

1665
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 1: And it's such a great example. Here's all these other

1666
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: stands that everybody thought were to quote good stands. They

1667
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: were fighting over him when somebody could have gone into

1668
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: this nasty clear cut nobody wanted to hunt and had

1669
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 1: not hunted all year right there by the camp and

1670
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: killed this buck. That's a perfect, perfect example of that.

1671
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: That's such an I think that probably happens a lot

1672
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 1: where you have I think a lot of these. You

1673
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:45,719
Speaker 1: see these examples where a random young person or random

1674
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: new hunter you know, shoots this ginormous buck because they

1675
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: just chose to go some willing only place that nobody

1676
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: else ever thought of hunting, and that's where the big

1677
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: deer are because they've been avoiding all these other quote

1678
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: unquote smart hunters who have been hunting the good spots

1679
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: over and over and over. Um. Then the new guy

1680
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: goes to the unhunted spot and there you go. Yeah,

1681
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: that's a great story. So, so you mentioned food plots

1682
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 1: and you mentioned some different habitat things. Right. I want

1683
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: to make one note for anyone looking for really for

1684
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: a really great food plot resource, you need to take

1685
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 1: a look at a book that Lindsay, I believe you

1686
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: edited and contributed to correct me if I'm wrong, but

1687
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: Quality Food Plots, published by the QUM is the best

1688
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: food plot book and resource I've ever seen. So so

1689
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: right there, I mean you have to check that book

1690
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 1: out if you are trying to, you know, better utilize

1691
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: food plots or get into food plots. Um. I'm correct

1692
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: on that, Lindsay, Right, you did contribute and or edit that, right. Yeah.

1693
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: Myself and Kent Camermeyer who's wildlif bologist, and Dr Carl

1694
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 1: Miller from the University of Georgia who's a professor of

1695
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 1: wildlife ecology, we were the three editors on it um

1696
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: and we you know, I appreciate you, you you know the

1697
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 1: compliment on that, And all I can tell you is

1698
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: what we did was sit down and say, you know,

1699
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: the phone, all these rings at qt m A with

1700
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 1: people asking food plot questions, and we said that gunt,

1701
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: let's put together or resource that will answer all of

1702
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: these questions that we answer over and over and over

1703
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: every day on the phone. Um. So that was the

1704
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: goal of the book was a food plot guide for

1705
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: wherever you're staying in north, south, east west UM no

1706
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 1: matter your soils, to basically take it from soil um

1707
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: to plant planting techniques, to understanding the animal and what

1708
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 1: it's after to eat all of that, and then of

1709
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: course you know all the various species you can potentially plant.

1710
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: That's that's how we put it together. Yeah. Well, I

1711
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,799
Speaker 1: think you definitely achieved that goal of of covering almost

1712
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: any question that somebody could possibly come up with. When

1713
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: I when I first got into food plotting, that was

1714
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: one of the first things I read and it just

1715
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: it put me in such a great position to succeed

1716
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: and have a good start. So highly recommend that to

1717
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: anyone out there with that type of interest. UM. Now

1718
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,600
Speaker 1: I want to flip the page A little bit on

1719
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: that you mentioned you know, food plots aren't the only

1720
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: way you can, you know, have this great late season

1721
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 1: honey hoole or whatever it might be. Um. When I

1722
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: when I hear what you've talked about when it comes

1723
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 1: to habitat in the South, you mentioned there's lots of cover,

1724
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: lots of new cover. Um. With that being said, other

1725
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 1: types of habitat improvements other than food plots, are they

1726
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: less important in the South compared to maybe up here

1727
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: because up here there's a lack of cover. So improving

1728
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: our cover is a really important thing in a lot

1729
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: of areas. Is that? Is that not true in the

1730
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: South or what are other habitat improvements of importance there? Well,

1731
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 1: it's you're right, we've got kind of this um, you know,

1732
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 1: cover everywhere you look, um, and it it makes it tough.

1733
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 1: As I said on on the hunting on predicting dear movements,

1734
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: I mean he could even makes it tough shed hunting,

1735
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 1: I have. I have found sheds in two primary locations,

1736
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: one in food food plots, cool season plots, which of

1737
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: course we all know that you know that's one of

1738
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 1: the places you want to look any place, but would

1739
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 1: have been feeding after you know, at the time he's

1740
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 1: gonna be shedding those antlers. And the second one is

1741
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: in woods we have just burned. A big part of

1742
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: my shed collection includes antlers that are blackened from fire

1743
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: because you know, other than that, it's just pure luck

1744
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 1: that you step on the shed because of all the

1745
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 1: cover um, you know fires of those things. We use

1746
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: it to maintain, um timber, you know, the forest industry

1747
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: uses it for timber, but it is great for wildlife.

1748
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: I love hunting turkeys in an area that has just burned,

1749
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: where the new green growth is coming back, and that's

1750
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: something we do commonly. And it's interesting to me that

1751
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 1: I don't see that as much in the North, except

1752
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: maybe burning you know, grasslands CRP there. UM. I saw

1753
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 1: some data the other day, um from the I believe

1754
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 1: it was the Prescribed Fire Council, and it said some

1755
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: data from where, um, you know, in the total acreage

1756
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: burned with cry fire nationwide was eleven million acres. Eight

1757
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: million of those were in the southeast. So for example,

1758
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: in that year in Georgia we burned over one million

1759
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: acres with prescribed fire. Uh. In Michigan, your home state,

1760
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: you guys burned fifteen thousand acres that year with prescribed fire,

1761
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 1: So you know, north to south, prescribed fire is something

1762
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: we use a lot. And again we wouldn't find many

1763
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: sheds with out it, but um um we use that regularly,

1764
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: and I think it's something that could be used more

1765
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: in the North. Um. As I've heard Dr Craig Harper

1766
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: say before though, and it's the truth. Fire really doesn't

1767
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: do much for you if there's no sunlight. So if

1768
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: you while you could burn, say i'm ature hardwood, stand

1769
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: carefully and not damage the hardwoods, if there's no sunlight

1770
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: hitting the ground, the fire doesn't do much for you.

1771
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 1: The fire, the fire sets back that understory, disturbs the

1772
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: soil a little bit, gives you that flush of growth

1773
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: from the seed bank, but if there's no sunlight in

1774
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: the ground, it's not gonna help. So it really only

1775
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 1: works in kind of timber stands that you have ten

1776
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: um or clear cut recently where you're gettings or or

1777
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: like a thinly plan to say long leaf pine stand

1778
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: or something like that, where you're getting a lot of

1779
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: sunlight on the ground. Um. And I know that in

1780
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: the North and the Midwest, fire is may be made

1781
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 1: more difficult by local regulations or state regulations. By you

1782
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 1: know the fact that it's just traditionally not used or

1783
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: or discouraged even by state agencies. And there's not as

1784
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 1: much support as we having the South. I mean here

1785
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 1: in the South, the state forestry agencies will really help

1786
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: you in a big way get fire done, uh and

1787
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: done safely. And I know we don't have you don't

1788
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,560
Speaker 1: have as many resources there, but fire is one of those, um,

1789
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: unique things. So but yeah, in general, like you said,

1790
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: we're not we don't have the need to produce a

1791
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: lot of cover and certainly not bed and cover, um

1792
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: or fawning, you know, particular types of cover and less

1793
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 1: than everywhere. You know, there's certainly can be areas where

1794
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: it's lacking through traditional management on a particular property. I mean,

1795
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: every property can be different. But we're generally not having

1796
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: to go out there and produce cover. We are trying.

1797
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: We are having to do things like change what that

1798
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 1: cover is in for example, invasive species um because our

1799
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 1: growing season is so long compared to the North where

1800
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sitting here looking out the window at

1801
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 1: at green leaves butting right now, um, and you know

1802
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: it goes right on into the fall, you know, before

1803
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 1: we have any hard frost that slow that down. We

1804
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: get a long growing season. That's a good thing in

1805
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 1: some ways, good for you know, producing foraging cover, good

1806
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: for producing timber, which is why we got a lot

1807
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: of the history there in timber management and timber company

1808
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 1: land ownership. UM. But it's also good for producing you know,

1809
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: private and cud zoo and um autumnlive and and all

1810
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: the other um invasive species that are uh a problem,

1811
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: that are counterproductive to good dear habitat. And so a

1812
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,719
Speaker 1: lot of what we do is removing those species, killing

1813
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: private um, even killing a lot of sweet gum, which

1814
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 1: is a native tree, but it's kind of the U

1815
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: cud zoo of the tree world. It um here in

1816
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 1: the South. I mean, it pops up. It's the first

1817
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: species to pop up in any disturbed ground, any cutover,

1818
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: clear cut logging deck, you know, fire break trail, whatever

1819
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: sweet gum is gonna respond um and it will quickly

1820
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: picking up, choke out and and beat out all the

1821
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 1: other desirable tree and shade the ground. And for years

1822
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a locked out understory, you know. And

1823
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: that's true whether it's wet gum or automoleve or a

1824
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: private head that you know, private bay that has kind

1825
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: of headed out and and it's h ruining the understory.

1826
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: So a lot of what we do when it comes

1827
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: to like you said, you know, managing habitat and cover

1828
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 1: is controlling the unwanted stuff so that the good stuff

1829
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: can grow. Yeah. Yeah, definitely definitely some different things there.

1830
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: The gosh, the that statistics you shared about the difference

1831
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 1: in burning from north to south is really interesting, and

1832
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 1: I think, like you mentioned, there's there's definitely some tradition

1833
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 1: or cultural differences there where it just isn't such a

1834
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: common practice here because just other people haven't done it. Um.

1835
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: But to your point, now, I've never done prescribed burns myself,

1836
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: but hearing from so many people like yourself and others Dr.

1837
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: Grant Woods or whoever it might be, there, there just

1838
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: seemed to be so many benefits there that if you

1839
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: can pull it off, there really does seem to be

1840
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: some some value there. Um. It is, you know, basically

1841
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,759
Speaker 1: it is. It's just another tool for rotating and turning

1842
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: over forest succession, just like um we were talking about

1843
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,839
Speaker 1: earlier with the timber practices, Just like finding timber cutting,

1844
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: timber clear cuts, whatever, all of that is UM doing

1845
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 1: the same thing that you know a hinge cut does,

1846
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 1: or any other UM aspect of timber management that is

1847
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 1: turning back time on that forest succession, changing an old,

1848
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: mature canopied forest with no understory back into a young

1849
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: forest that encourages shrubs and vines and forbes and briars

1850
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: and all the good stuff that deer hide in and

1851
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: brows on. UM and fire is just another tool for that. Yeah,

1852
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 1: and that's that's a great, great advice for anyone no

1853
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: matter what region you're in trying to achieve that type

1854
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: of goal. Whether it's the fire or another tool, that's

1855
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,719
Speaker 1: something that's going to definitely help the deer in your area.

1856
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 1: And uh, if you if you can adjust to that

1857
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: with your hunting strategy, can help your hunting to uh

1858
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: den what what what are you wondering over there? Where's

1859
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: where's your hat done? All this? I'm just absorbing everything.

1860
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: I I uh, you know, like you said at the

1861
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 1: very beginning, there's definitely a lot of UM differences, but

1862
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of similarities too. Yeah, a lot we

1863
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: can apply a lot said, it's it's the little things

1864
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: you know now, speaking of UM, something you mentioned a

1865
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 1: little while ago that just stuck in my head. I

1866
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 1: took note of it. You we've been talking about some

1867
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: of the different studies, taking a step away from habitat

1868
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: maybe UM you mentioned some of the different studies. I

1869
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: know that. I believe that you went to the Southeast

1870
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: Deer Study Group recently, which is, as I understand, kind

1871
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: of an event where all sorts of researchers and various

1872
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: folks in the deer world come together and share different insights, discoveries,

1873
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 1: research results from over the past year or so. UM.

1874
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: What stood out to you from that event this past year, lindsay,

1875
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 1: is there anything any new research that stood out to

1876
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 1: that that you found particularly interesting, maybe that's relevant to

1877
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: the South or or anywhere. Yeah. UM, there's always good

1878
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 1: stuff there. UM. Sometimes some of it can be, UM

1879
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: seem repetitive because you know the way that that science works,

1880
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: and it's a good thing for all of us, UM,

1881
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: whether you're talking about disease research, for human disease research

1882
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: or deer research. UM is somebody does a study, they

1883
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: look at something, and then often that study is replicated

1884
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 1: somebody else does it to see if they get the

1885
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 1: same or similar or different results. And over time, you know,

1886
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 1: that's how we kind of get dialed in on certain information. Uh,

1887
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: it's happening with coyote predation. As somebody kind of discovered, man,

1888
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: coyotes are really whacking the fonds in this location. A

1889
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: lot of people started doing coyote studies as well as

1890
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 1: to see in different areas or under different circumstances where

1891
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 1: they're finding the same thing. So sometimes it can be repetitive.

1892
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: You're hearing somebody give, you know, a talk on something

1893
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 1: that kind of news three, four or five years ago.

1894
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,600
Speaker 1: But it's just as important that um these you know,

1895
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: follow up and studies be done to confirm. I mean,

1896
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: the the analogy I always use is, um, you know,

1897
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: putting bullets on paper and looking at your group and

1898
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: if you you know, if you've got a six shots

1899
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 1: in a in a one or two inch group, you

1900
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: know you're looking pretty good. But if one of those

1901
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 1: went off to the left somewhere, you know, you know,

1902
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 1: your rifle's not grouping off to the left. That was

1903
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: an outlier and and scientific studies can be it worse

1904
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: the same way. The more studies you've got grouping in

1905
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 1: that type group. Um, the more you feel confident about

1906
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: the findings in the takeaways from that study. So this

1907
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: year there was a lot of a lot of you know,

1908
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 1: more information about coyotes, uh, you know, reaffirming some of

1909
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: the things we we thought we knew already. Um. There

1910
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 1: was some cool stuff on buck movements. Um. Again reaffirming

1911
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: some of the stuff we saw. There was a couple

1912
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: of new studies looking at hunting pressure that were cool

1913
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 1: and had a lot of neat new angles. But in

1914
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 1: the end kind of told you I could I could

1915
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 1: tell you Mark there was uh. And then there's a

1916
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 1: couple of studies on hunting pressure. What do you think

1917
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 1: they found? You know, and probably tell me, well, you know,

1918
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: deer was spond to hunters and and you can go

1919
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 1: where hunters aren't or at times hunters aren't and some

1920
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 1: more deer and I'd say, yep, you got it. So um.

1921
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 1: But it's it's always interesting to see these studies come

1922
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 1: out with stuff that's useful to deer hunters, and you know,

1923
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: and that's why we're there. You know. One of the

1924
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 1: one of the ones that jumped out to me was

1925
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 1: a study out of Texas by Aaron Foley working at

1926
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: Texas A and M Kingsville where he did a bunch

1927
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: of looked at data from a lot of buck harvests

1928
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 1: over a lot of years, and and data that they

1929
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 1: had and found that, you know, the the average five

1930
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 1: and half year old buck loses of his body masks

1931
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: from the pre rut to the post rut. That's just

1932
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 1: incredible to me. That is, you know, a two pound

1933
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: man dropping to a hundred and fifty pounds in two months. Um.

1934
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: So that kind of stuff to me always is very

1935
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: very neat. So it sounds like if there was a

1936
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 1: limited breeding season, a lot of guys would be a

1937
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 1: lot thinner these days. That's right. If you had to

1938
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: chase him, yep, you say, we just run from this,

1939
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 1: we'd all be a lot for me and Dan. That

1940
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:16,759
Speaker 1: might have been the case already. Jeez, that's interesting, very interesting.

1941
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to disrupt your your story. That was

1942
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 1: there any more on that research study you wanted to share? Um? No,

1943
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 1: there's an article on at qt may dot com on

1944
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,600
Speaker 1: the homepage. Is it is linked the of you know,

1945
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 1: the ten stats. I think, um, In fact, I think

1946
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 1: you made your Friday Morning mash up the week I

1947
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: put it out and I appreciate that, but it's the

1948
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: ten kind of big number of takeaways that I brought

1949
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: home from dear study group. If anybody wants to see

1950
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 1: more on that, definitely, well we'll make sure to link

1951
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 1: that again in the in the blog post for this

1952
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 1: show as well, because there was some great stuff there, UM,

1953
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 1: and that that really you know, looking at the body

1954
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 1: white and I don't want to I don't know if

1955
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: we're getting short from time. I don't want to hit

1956
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: you off. But that brought up another point to me

1957
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: about North South is dear body sizes. UM. I think

1958
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 1: a lot of hunters don't realize that both whether you're

1959
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,679
Speaker 1: talking about a Southern hunter going north or northern hunter

1960
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 1: coming south, we don't realize sometimes the difference in average

1961
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 1: body sizes. UM. We certainly have areas in the South,

1962
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: some of the richer soils, the Black Belt of Alabama,

1963
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 1: the Mississippi Valley where you know, even the Georgia Piedmont

1964
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 1: where you can sometimes get deer on the order of um,

1965
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: midwestern and northern body sizes. But for the most part,

1966
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:29,599
Speaker 1: you know Georgia Coast, Florida, you know the Gulf Coast. UM.

1967
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 1: A lot of these areas coast to North Carolina is

1968
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: much of the same situation we're talking about, um, much

1969
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 1: smaller deer. You know, I've even seen I remember a

1970
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:39,799
Speaker 1: couple of years back, a staff member got an adult

1971
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: though with his bow here at QB MAY headquarters in Athens,

1972
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: and we put it on Facebook, and you know, there

1973
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:47,640
Speaker 1: were a lot of comments like, you know, wtf, what

1974
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, what you want to what you want to

1975
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 1: shoot the baby deer for dude, And and it's like,

1976
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 1: it's not, you know, it's an adult deer. This is

1977
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: an adult though here in Georgia, And yeah, I understand,

1978
01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 1: and it's it's smaller. But I think many times people

1979
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 1: don't don't realize that that Like in coastal Georgia where

1980
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 1: I hunt debt um, the average mature buck that we

1981
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 1: kill is always it seems like gonna hit right around

1982
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: a hundred sixty sixty pounds on the hoof, um. And

1983
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 1: that's a very good deer down there where we are.

1984
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 1: You know, a dough is gonna be running eighty to

1985
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 1: a hund pounds um as an adult, and that's I

1986
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 1: don't know what I would do. In fact, the buddy

1987
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 1: of mine from Jacksonville Florida. Phil Bancroft, who hunts both

1988
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 1: in Florida and Georgia and hunts annually in Illinois with

1989
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: a friend who's an outfit are there. You know? He

1990
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 1: told me the heartest his heart ever beat was when

1991
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 1: he was sitting there at fifteen yards looking at a

1992
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred and twenty pound mature Illinois buck. Um.

1993
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 1: It just blew me away. So I can't I would.

1994
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 1: I hope one day I get to see that. It

1995
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 1: definitely does sound different, That's for sure. There's a there

1996
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: are some big body deer up here in this part

1997
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 1: of the country. And I'm glad you brought this whole

1998
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: uh difference between northern and southern deer or deer in

1999
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: different regions in general, because it brings us back to

2000
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 1: a point you kind have touched on real briefly earlier

2001
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,640
Speaker 1: in our conversation, which was this idea of how we

2002
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 1: set goals or expectations. Um, And I asked, I want

2003
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that. Can you tell me a little

2004
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 1: b about number one? How are in addition to body says,

2005
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 1: how do you see dear in general being different in

2006
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 1: the South, maybe from antler characteristics or age structure. And

2007
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,719
Speaker 1: then number two, how would you say that should influence

2008
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 1: or what would your recommendation be for Southern hunters when

2009
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: it comes to setting goals and expectations given those realities. Yeah, well,

2010
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: I mean you kind of just summed it up that

2011
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 1: that we have everybody wherever you stand. I mean it

2012
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 1: can be even within your state of Michigan, UM, or

2013
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: naming any other Midwestern state, any other than any state

2014
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 1: within that state, you're going to have microregions where deer

2015
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: produce different things than they do in others, even county

2016
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 1: to county sometimes where you can't expect to produce a

2017
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: deer of equality that you know another area might produce. UM.

2018
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 1: Georgia has those areas, just like I mentioned. You know, dear,

2019
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: we can produce bigger body, bigger antlers here in the

2020
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: Piedmont of Georgia where I work, then we can in

2021
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 1: coastal Plain, Georgia, where my family's land is. But if

2022
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 1: you understand those limitations locally and you measure your success

2023
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:15,440
Speaker 1: by that, UM, you know you you won't be disappointed.

2024
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 1: Just like we're fortunate here in Georgia that UM. The

2025
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 1: magazine George Outdoor News, which is like I said who

2026
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 1: I used to work for. They have for years collected

2027
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 1: officially scored bucks in Georgia and organized them by county.

2028
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: And it's a resource you can go look at and

2029
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,679
Speaker 1: see what are the top ten bucks in your county

2030
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:38,520
Speaker 1: by net score. UM. And that's a great uh yardstick

2031
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: to use, um because rather than worrying about man and I,

2032
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, we just can't. I just had never seen

2033
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 1: a one fifty class buck like they see up in

2034
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 1: Middle Georgia, or you know, a one seventy like they

2035
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: see in Illinois or Constant or some other state. But

2036
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 1: if you looked at your you know, if you had

2037
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 1: access to a record book locally, or even if you

2038
01:40:58,160 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: could just kick around a little bit talk friends and

2039
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 1: who the best buck you know you know of in

2040
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 1: the county and had some sense of the top end

2041
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 1: production in your the county. That's a great uh kind

2042
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 1: of water mark to go by a high water mark

2043
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: and know that, you know, if we're putting a buck

2044
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: every now and then in the top ten in the county,

2045
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 1: you know you're doing great. And in fact, you know

2046
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 1: where I hunt my family's land. We are now. Um.

2047
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 1: If you look at the top ten bucks in the county.

2048
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: About half of them have come on our farm or

2049
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: adjacent to it, killed by friends of ours who also

2050
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 1: practice quality deer management like we do. UM, so that

2051
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 1: can be you know, man, that's a that is a

2052
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 1: very cool thing to know that you're producing some of

2053
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: the best bucks in the county. UM, especially when if

2054
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 1: you took the number one buck you've ever killed and

2055
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: he was just pale in comparison to other counties, to

2056
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 1: the best counties in your state, and certainly to the

2057
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 1: best counties in other states. UM, that gives you something

2058
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,400
Speaker 1: to you know, to be happy about. To measure your

2059
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:59,639
Speaker 1: progress at uh in a very realistic goal for anybody

2060
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 1: anywhere you stand to you know, UM, and it goes

2061
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 1: by age. You know, you've got to do it by

2062
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 1: age and protect the younger bucks if you're looking at

2063
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 1: body sides and aner sizing in any deer, but in

2064
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 1: particular bucks, if you're looking for the upper end of

2065
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 1: of what you know your your deer can produce antler wise, UM,

2066
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:18,879
Speaker 1: you've got to be a realistic and understand by age

2067
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 1: is how you're going to get there. But measuring it

2068
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 1: locally is the way to go. I don't care where

2069
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:24,600
Speaker 1: you are. I don't care if you're in Michigan or

2070
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 1: Aiowa or Ohio or Georgia. Yeah. I think that's such

2071
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 1: a great advice. It's it's so easy today to be

2072
01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 1: and and I think I'm as guilty as anyone, because

2073
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, anyone, I guess in the hunting related media

2074
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: is a little bit responsible for this. We We've shared

2075
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 1: so many pictures and stories and videos or the TV

2076
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:45,679
Speaker 1: you know, TV shows where you see these these giant bucks,

2077
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 1: and it just seems like it's so easy. But in

2078
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 1: most cases, for the average deer hunter, you know, those

2079
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 1: types of situations and deer are not too terribly realistic

2080
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases. And if we're setting our

2081
01:42:56,560 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: goals and our hopes and dreams and expectations based on

2082
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 1: you know what Mark Drury killed in southern Iowa, I

2083
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: think a lot of us are gonna be pretty frustrated

2084
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,600
Speaker 1: and disappointed when we don't have that same type of

2085
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 1: deer on our farms. So I love the idea of

2086
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 1: looking at a local top end and shooting for that

2087
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 1: and striving to improve, you know, improve what you're already doing,

2088
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 1: maybe but doing in a more realistic fashion. Um. I

2089
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:21,559
Speaker 1: think that's terrific, terrific advice. Yeah, I mean not to

2090
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 1: begrudge anybody. They're great buck I mean, I mean I

2091
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,759
Speaker 1: love looking at them, just like anybody else does. UM.

2092
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 1: But when he turns to back to you looking at

2093
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 1: your trail camera pictures and hanging your stands and looking

2094
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: at the deer you're seeing in the woods and deciding

2095
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 1: if you're disappointed or not, you've got to remember to

2096
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 1: where those local eyeglasses and um. And the other thing

2097
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 1: too is pull edge all bone every set of anglers

2098
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 1: in my office. I'm sitting here looking at right now,

2099
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 1: um European mounts and then the one shoulder mount. I mean,

2100
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I've got the jawbone hanging with it. Because they were

2101
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 1: all four and a half or five and a half

2102
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 1: years old. They were an age that I was shooting for.

2103
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 1: And that's kind of a point I always like to

2104
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 1: drive home, is I don't care where you are. I

2105
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 1: don't care about it or score or body size or

2106
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 1: where you're spending A four and a half five and

2107
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,919
Speaker 1: a half year old buck up is a rare animal anywhere,

2108
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 1: and not an easy animal to see or kill. And

2109
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 1: if that jaw bone says he was physically and fully mature. Um,

2110
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,519
Speaker 1: then you should be proud of that, and that's an achievement.

2111
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't care what he scored, Um, you know, I

2112
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 1: don't care. Even if he scored low for your average

2113
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 1: in your area, that was still a very tough deer

2114
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 1: to produce and a tough deer to see and to hunt.

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Speaker 1: And you ought to be proud of that. And that's

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01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 1: why I encourage everybody save that jaw bone. If you

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01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 1: don't know how to age it, get somebody who knows

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01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:38,640
Speaker 1: how to help you with that and teach you to

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01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 1: do it. Um, and hang that jaw bone up with

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01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 1: those antlers. That's just as much of the story. Yeah,

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01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 1: that's a really great idea. I really should do a

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01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:48,679
Speaker 1: better job of keeping those job bones, because, like you said,

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01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 1: it really does come down to age so much of

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01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: what makes that dear special and a challenge to hunt

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01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 1: and produce and see. You know, it's not necessarily you know,

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01:44:57,479 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 1: sure antlers are great and they're fascinating and their their

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01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:01,760
Speaker 1: off them to see, but it really comes down to

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01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 1: how old that deer is, what they are able to survive,

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01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 1: what they learned, and that's that's what translates into such

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01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 1: a challenging, fulfilling hunt. Uh so, so I love that

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01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: and I guess kind of related to that. You know,

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Speaker 1: we have to wrap things up here. But given what

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Speaker 1: you do for the Quality Deer Management Association, if you know,

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01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 1: for someone who's listening today that's not a member of

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01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:25,639
Speaker 1: the Quality Deer Management Association, you know, there's there's sometimes

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01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 1: a live misconceptions about the q DUM A UM, there's

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01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 1: some people maybe that just don't know much about it.

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01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:33,639
Speaker 1: Is there anything you'd like to tell those people today

2139
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 1: that that aren't members yet that you think they really

2140
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 1: should understand or maybe why they might want to consider

2141
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,080
Speaker 1: being a member? You know, now that you have a

2142
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:41,640
Speaker 1: we have a little extra time here. Anything you want

2143
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 1: to share on that standpoint? Oh boy, we almost need

2144
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 1: to do know the show if you want to talk

2145
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 1: about the misconceptions not only of q d m A,

2146
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:51,679
Speaker 1: but of Quality Deer Management in general and what it's about,

2147
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 1: and that really is why we exist, is too you know,

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01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 1: educate folks on that hopefully just you know, to someone

2149
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 1: who listened to this podcast up at this point, what

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01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 1: you gathered is I'm a deer hunter. You know, I'm

2151
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,400
Speaker 1: a deer hunter who hunts public land, private land. I

2152
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 1: understand and do a lot of the same things you do,

2153
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:10,719
Speaker 1: and experience the culture and appreciate the same things. And

2154
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm a dear geek. I love learning about them. I

2155
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 1: love the science. And that's really what we're about. Um.

2156
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 1: You know, we we talk about how we measure success

2157
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 1: in memories, not anchies of inches of antler. And uh again,

2158
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with Crockett score or antler. We all love

2159
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 1: a big buck too, but there is so much more

2160
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:32,120
Speaker 1: to it and so many more memories that come from

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01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 1: hunting a tuned up deer herd, and you know, sharing

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01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 1: that resource and learning about the animal together with other

2163
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 1: deer hunters, and and that's that's what we're about, you know,

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01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 1: we're about And in the broader picture, qu MA works

2165
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 1: to ensure we always have those opportunities to have that

2166
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 1: hunting heritage and then it lasts forever, not just that

2167
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 1: we can hunt them, but that we we can have

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01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 1: quality dear populations and sustainable dear populations and a place

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01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:58,799
Speaker 1: to hunt them in a way to hunt them. Um.

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01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's a group that if you

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01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 1: believe in deer hunting and you want it to be

2172
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 1: around um, you should be in for that. But the

2173
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 1: side bonus is we're gonna teach you a heck of

2174
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: a lot about deer and how to have better deer

2175
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: hunting where you stand, just like we've been talking about today, UM,

2176
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 1: that you can have the best deer and the best

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01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 1: most exciting deer hunting where you you sit. UM through

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01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: some of the things that we've learned about deer and

2179
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 1: that we'll share with you. Yeah. Well, I, uh I

2180
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 1: can echo those sentiments from from an unbiased point of view.

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01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: You know, I am a member, but I'm not obviously

2182
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 1: a member of the staff or anything. I gotta tell

2183
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 1: you that what Lindsay and his team are doing from

2184
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 1: an education standpoint and and all the other things that

2185
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 1: that the cut May does is really an incredibly positive

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01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 1: thing for the deer hunting community. UM. So I would

2187
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 1: just you know, uh, I would encourage you, if you're

2188
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 1: not already a member, take the five minutes go to

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01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 1: qtum dot com and sign up. I think it's gonna

2190
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 1: be really difficult for anybody to go and check out

2191
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 1: what the QUTI may is doing and really look at

2192
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 1: and see what they are actually doing and talking about

2193
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:10,879
Speaker 1: on their website. Straight from the source. I think anyone's

2194
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:12,599
Speaker 1: gonna have a really hard time going and looking at

2195
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 1: that and seeing something that they can't get behind. I mean,

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01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 1: it really is a tremendous organization and the work you

2197
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 1: guys are doing is terrific, and like I mentioned early on,

2198
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 1: the magazine itself, is worth the very small dudes that

2199
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: you guys ask for every year. It's totally worth it

2200
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 1: just for that. So visit qutu may dot com. I

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01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 1: urge you do that after you listen to this. I

2202
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 1: think it's just one of the best decisions you'll make, um,

2203
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 1: you'll make when it comes to deer hunting. So, lindsay,

2204
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 1: is there anywhere else that our listeners should go to

2205
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:40,040
Speaker 1: to see what you guys are doing or to learn

2206
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 1: about QDM or the organization at all? Yeah, I would

2207
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 1: say talk to our grassroots. Folks are volunteers out there

2208
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: in the branches that are in your community, UM, and

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01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: you can find that through the website you mentioned already.

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01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 1: Q dum May. You know when you said that, it

2211
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 1: hit me a lot of times when we hear people

2212
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 1: who have misconceptions about us or a QTM, you find

2213
01:48:58,160 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 1: out that it's because they really didn't know who we

2214
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,759
Speaker 1: were UM, And if you go and look at our message,

2215
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 1: you'll find that, you know, you might learn something that

2216
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:07,320
Speaker 1: was different than what you thought about us. So I

2217
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 1: appreciate you promoting the website. It's it's a good place

2218
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,479
Speaker 1: to go and start. And then through the website you

2219
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: can get in touch with our branches. We have a

2220
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: branch directory map UM. We've got them all over the

2221
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,680
Speaker 1: country wherever there are white tails and find some of

2222
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 1: these folks, reach out to them in your community. Go

2223
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:24,720
Speaker 1: see what they're doing, your neighbors and your community, and

2224
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 1: what they are doing to educate other deer hunters, to

2225
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:30,519
Speaker 1: improve deer hunting UM, to work on habitat locally, to

2226
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 1: ensure our hunting heritage, to take young hunters hunting for

2227
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 1: the first time. There's so many great things that our

2228
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 1: grassroots volunteers are doing out there, and they're your neighbors.

2229
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 1: So if you've got questions, you know, talk to those

2230
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 1: guys UM, get to know them and and maybe you'll

2231
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:47,280
Speaker 1: find yourself getting involved. Yeah, that's that's a great idea

2232
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 1: and a great recommendation. There's there's a whole lot of

2233
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 1: people now that are that are part of this organization

2234
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 1: all across the country that that that provide a kind

2235
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 1: of network that you can tap into. I think that

2236
01:49:57,600 --> 01:49:59,439
Speaker 1: I've personally been able to tap into that network here

2237
01:49:59,479 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 1: locally and sign and have got to meet so many great,

2238
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 1: great friends and new people that that love deer hunting

2239
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:06,160
Speaker 1: just as I just as I do so in and

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01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 1: of itself, that right there is a great place just

2241
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: to to build a better deer hunting network, um let

2242
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:12,720
Speaker 1: alone all the other things you can do. So so

2243
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 1: lindsay thank you so much. This has been super interesting

2244
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 1: and I think really helpful to to whether it be

2245
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:20,559
Speaker 1: hunters in the South or anywhere. I think we all

2246
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 1: learned something today. Marcus, you appreciate it. This will This

2247
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 1: will go down in the highlights of my career was

2248
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: when I got to be on your podcast with you. Seriously,

2249
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 1: because I look you to it and it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: very cool to be a part of it. Well, I

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01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:33,600
Speaker 1: Dan had to drop off because he had to go

2252
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: pick up his kids. But if he was here, I

2253
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 1: know he'd be laughing at that because he always likes

2254
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 1: to give us a hard time about how nobody really

2255
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 1: respects this. It's nice to hear that you do enjoy

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01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 1: what we're doing well, because you know I have. I

2257
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:47,679
Speaker 1: have enjoyed following your career from your you know, fairly

2258
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 1: recent start and your bold moved to step out there

2259
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:53,880
Speaker 1: and do this full time. And I'm envious and an

2260
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 1: admirer of yours and what you do. You do great

2261
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:58,600
Speaker 1: work and keep it up. And thanks for including me.

2262
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, Lindsay means a lot, so thank

2263
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:04,720
Speaker 1: you again, so much. Again, everyone listening. I'll make sure

2264
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:06,680
Speaker 1: to include links to everything we've talked about on the

2265
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:08,760
Speaker 1: blog post. Be sure to check that out head to

2266
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:11,559
Speaker 1: qtum a dot com and Lindsay have a have a

2267
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 1: great afternoon and hopefully a terrific shed hunting season or

2268
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 1: scouting or food plotting season, whatever it is it's coming

2269
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 1: up next for you. Saying to you all right, have

2270
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 1: a good one. And with that we are going to

2271
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:27,719
Speaker 1: call this a rap. So before we shut things down, though,

2272
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 1: we need to give a big thank you to our

2273
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:32,519
Speaker 1: partners who helped make the Wired to Hunt podcast possible.

2274
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,479
Speaker 1: So big thank you too, sick A Gear, Trophy, Ridge

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Speaker 1: Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds on Terra Maps, Bosonics, Carbon Express,

2276
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:44,839
Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail Institute of North America. Finally,

2277
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 1: and most importantly, thank you all for joining us today.

2278
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:49,800
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this show and hopefully learn a

2279
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 1: thing or two as well. So until next time, have

2280
01:51:52,479 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 1: a great week and stay wired to hunt up