WEBVTT - Andy Levy & Jason Stanley 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.840 today's best minds. And Donald Trump says he was the 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.840 one who told Malania to threaten Hunter Biden with a 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.360 one billion dollar lawsuit. We have such a great show 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.919 for you today as the world churns Andy Leevey stops 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:23.560 by to talk about the media's role in letting Trump 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.240 subvert the law. Then we'll talk to author Jason Stanley 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.800 about how to read Trump's play in the Fascist Playbook. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:31.840 But first the news. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:36.200 It's May the DC Attorney General is suing the Trump 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.520 administration to stop the police takeover so they don't chase 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.480 down people in West End who are throwing sandwiches. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.440 Yes, it's called sandwich Gate. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:50.320 Well, and it's the story of a man and a sandwich. No. 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:56.440 So here's what's happened. We have a very Nightmari scenario 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.360 in the District of Columbia, something that we all saw 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:04.440 coming when DC was denied statehood. Right, Trump can do 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.480 whatever he wants to DC. It has no protection. It's 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:13.160 not a state. It's not protected. It's this weird sort 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.120 of amorphous thing. So Donald Trump, when he can do 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.839 what he wants. He is doing what he wants, and 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:25.840 we are watching him do this authoritarian takeover of the 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.960 district of Columbia. This is what it looks like. This 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.920 is what authoritarianism looks like. So we knew this was coming. 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:38.400 Thank you Kristin Cinema and Joe Manchin for making sure 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.000 that Democrats couldn't use the filibuster because, by the way, 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.640 that would have crushed norms and institutions. And so here we. 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.960 Are sending Kristin a glass of wine across the bar 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:50.840 at whatever wine tasting she's at today. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:51.360 Yeah. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.840 So, speaking of other dystopian things coming out of Washington, 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.880 the White House now has a loyalty rating for companies. 0:01:58.160 --> 0:01:59.600 Definitely doesn't feel fascy. 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.200 Well, it doesn't feel fascy except it does. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:07.600 But it also is so deeply anti capitalist, right, Like, 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.280 the whole idea of capitalism is that you have companies 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.400 that do things, And here we have kubodies that are 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.880 being rated on whether or not they're nice enough to Trump, right, 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:20.160 the nice enough to the administration so that Trump will 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:20.920 let them live. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.320 This is like crony capitalism. This is the worst of 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:25.639 crony capitalism. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.160 Yeah, you're really seeing it as the way whether they're 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:33.160 going to buy stock in Intel Chips, which is hilarious, 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.760 that's a competitor to Apple, who just sucked up to Trump. 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.320 All of these companies could have done something. They could 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.000 have said we're not going to do this, we're not 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.079 going to behave this way, and it would have been 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.520 really great. It wouldn't have been great, but it would 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.120 have made everything slow down. 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.399 But what happened here is that all these companies kick 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.519 themselves just to go along with Trump, and so now. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.320 There's a kind of competition to suck up to Trump, 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:03.000 and that means that company is involved in this kind 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:09.680 of authoritarian push and it's just incredibly dark. You know, 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.239 it's exactly what we had all wanted to avoid. 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.920 Yeah, speaking of avoiding things, it's kind of funny like 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.440 you and I both know DC geography well as one 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.480 of us has a lot of family there and another 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.600 has visited a lot, and everybody's kind of noticing this 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.920 thing that the presence of all the footage they're getting, 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.520 it's like those are really not where the crime is 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.119 in DC. And you're kind of like, hmmm, I wonder why. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.920 Yeah, there's none of this is about fighting crime. All 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.600 of this is about authoritarian show of force. Right, They're 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.560 not going in neighborhoods where there's a lot of crime. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:48.400 They're putting up these stops on Fourteenth Street. My friend said, 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.200 they have a checkpoint at the bottom of her street. 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.040 You know, this is not about safety. This is all 0:03:55.280 --> 0:04:00.600 about intimidation, right, be in the nice neighborhood show fancy 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.880 people that you have power over them. Have a guy 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.440 who you can't see his face, stop your car. 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.880 I mean, this is exactly that one hundred percent. 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.920 It really is ridiculous because, like, we can't deny that 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.840 there is areas of every single city that have crime 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.280 because cities have poor populations, because that is how cities work, 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:25.720 and poor populations do disproportionately commit crime. But yet walking 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.000 the national ball where the crime map is invisible. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.680 Is not that Yeah, that's exactly right. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.479 So this is a pretty interesting thing. Some of the 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.520 people who can sense these type of things are saying 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.760 that the doga seems a little nervous about all of 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.840 Trump's tariff lawsuits and whether they're actually going to hold 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:44.599 up and he's going to be able to keep doing 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.520 these tariffs that are really going to doom his popularity, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.960 since my group chats are lighting up with people who 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.320 are not happy about getting tariff bills in the mail 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:52.919 these days. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:58.280 Yeah, I mean, this is such a crazy, crazy, stupid 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:02.560 thing to do. There are people who are as powerful 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:07.479 as Trump, like the Kochs, who are on this other 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.720 side of this tariff thing, who have relationships with this 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:16.320 incredibly corrupt Supreme Court, who desperately want to stop these tariffs, 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.560 and who very well might be able to stop these tariffs. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.760 The administration knows they may be on the wrong side 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.200 of things with the tariffs. Also, there were just these 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:30.320 crazy numbers that were released that are super inflationary. The 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:35.159 consumer sentiment number is terrible. That inflation number from yesterday 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.680 I ticked up like three points. I mean, inflation is here. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:42.560 The tariffs are causing it. It's a straight line. And 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.600 the other thing about inflation, which none of us totally 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.320 know how to deal with this Once Trump says uncle, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.760 which eventually he will, I don't know how you get 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:51.880 the prices back down. 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.080 No, he probably don't. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.200 I've seen no one give a good answer to that. 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.840 Andy Levy is the co host of As the World Churned. 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.360 Andy Levy Wally jogfast. Welcome to Fast Politics. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:10.720 I don't know you were going to be here. 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.479 Yeah, what are the odds you and me? 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.080 Yeah? I know, I thought I was just chatting for 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.000 like twenty minutes, like monologuing. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.360 Listen to me, Andy Levy. Things are going great in 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:27.520 the federal government. Oh yeah, just a cake walk. What 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.760 is this thing that you're the most worried about? 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:30.200 Now? 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.520 That is sort of the question, isn't it? 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.720 But it's also almost impossible to answer it because it 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.920 changes every day and sometimes multiple times a day. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.120 I mean, I guess right now it's. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:47.080 The government crackdowns, the federal takeover of DC and the 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.840 threats of doing this to more cities. And you know, 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:55.200 it's starting to look very much like like a playbook 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.480 at this point, you know, like this is what they 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.760 want to do. And you know, I was thinking, there's 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.240 that's famous Obama phrase from I think when he was 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.919 first running, when he said we're not blue states and 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:06.479 red states. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:07.679 Where the United States? 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.600 I think with this administration, they also they agree that 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.360 we're not the blue states and the red states, and 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.640 they're just in their mind we're just the red states 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.360 and that's what they want. They want fifty red states, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.120 so they have absolutely no compunction. And you're seeing this 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.480 from the you know, the conservative media sphere and whatever, 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.000 who are sort of gleefully making lists of what city 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.720 should be next, and surprise, surprise, it's San Francisco, it's 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.600 New York, it's Los Angeles. You know, it's the big, 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.280 it's the big, beautiful blue cities. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.080 So look, they really are. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.080 They're obviously doing the you know, throw as much shit 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.040 against the wall as possible and see what sticks method. 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.040 So it makes it hard to sort of identify which 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.480 is the overall scariest. 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.040 Thing they're doing or most dangerous thing they're doing. 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.280 But this one right now seems like because it seems like, 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.400 like I said, it seems a little bit like a 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.720 playbook like that there's an end goal here of doing 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:05.040 this in as many blue cities as they can get 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.480 away with, and basically taking all the power away from 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.680 those localities and from those Americans who live in those 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.240 cities and who vote in those cities, and work in 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:19.400 those cities, and in producer Jesse Cannon's case, drink in 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:20.040 those cities. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.040 And they are trying. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.080 Desperately the places where they can't win at the ballot box. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.200 They're trying to win by other measures. Is I think 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:29.120 what I'm saying. 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:33.640 So sato populism is this idea we just I just 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.679 talked about it with Jason Stanley that part of the 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:42.559 joy you find in populism is your syndistic desires to own. 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.520 The libs, to make poor people suffer. Is that what 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.160 we're working at right now? 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:48.559 Oh? 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.600 I mean, that's a really I had never heard that 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:51.679 word before. 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.280 I don't know if he coined it, but but it's 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:55.199 it's a good word. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.240 And no, I think that's true. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.120 And you can look at you know, you look at 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.960 the memes that are coming out of the White House 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:10.000 and various governmental agencies, and they're all predicated on meanness. 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.199 Seems it seems like an understatement. I mean, you look 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:14.640 at it and you say to yourself, you know, well, 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.560 that's just mean. But you realize as you're saying it 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.120 that how much of an understatement that is. You know, 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.800 this is not someone in the cafeteria making fun of 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.760 your shirt. But you look at the mindset behind everything 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.720 that they're doing, and you look at the white nationalist 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:35.000 memes and the absolute glee at other people's misfortune, particularly 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:39.240 if those people aren't white, or aren't straight, or aren't Christian, 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.120 aren't male, and yeah, it's hard to come to any 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:42.959 other conclusion. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.280 Then this is a big part of the game. 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.439 And this is Look, this has always been a big 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.440 part of fascism. I think we're way beyond the point 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.400 of debating whether it's okay to call. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:54.840 What's going on fascist. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.240 It just very clearly is, and it very clearly is 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.160 the mindset. And again you see it in the memes, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.760 you see it in the messaging that they are trying 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.640 to put out, which is that you know, you are 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:08.960 not welcome here if you are not like us, and 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:13.600 you know, removing things from museums that ill PRESIDENTE doesn't 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.920 like or doesn't comport with his view of America as 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:22.960 this literally a perfect union and you can't come to 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.280 any other conclusion. And it's been like this for a while. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.480 But there are always people who said, well, you know, 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.880 I don't know if it's okay to use the F word, 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.640 to say fascism. We are so far behind that, and 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:37.840 I cannot imagine in August of the year of Our 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.400 Lord twenty twenty five looking around and thinking, well, I'm 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.400 still not sold that this is fascist. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.160 It's pure, uncut fascist. 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:46.960 So what do you think. 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.160 About like the smart people who are on the right 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.680 who are going along with this, because you know a 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.160 lot of those people, Like do you think that they 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.160 are like, yes, it's fascism, or do you think that 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:00.439 they're just having fun. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.840 I think it's a case by case basis. And you know, 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.400 this is similar to a sort of thing. I don't 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.120 do it so much anymore because ultimately it doesn't matter. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.160 But you know, I used to play this game. I 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:13.599 used to play it with other people that I was 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.800 friendly with, who knew the personnel, and try to figure 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.440 out who what Fox News really believed what they were saying, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.200 and who just wanted the paycheck and the adoration and 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.720 you know, the fame. And I think you really do 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.960 have to take it on a case by case basis 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.440 because I think there are the true believers on the right, 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.640 smart or otherwise, who have absolutely no problems with fascism, 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.840 and maybe they never did, or maybe they have. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:40.959 Just come around to it. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.200 And then you have the ones who you know, maybe 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.839 deep in their heart they're not fascist and they don't 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.440 necessarily love everything that's going on, but they're going along 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.199 with it and promoting it to advance their own careers. 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:57.360 It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, and it never mattered. 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.520 You are what you're doing in a case like this, 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.720 and whether you're promoting this shit because you believe it 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.480 in your soul or because you somehow think it's good 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:11.080 for your career, it ultimately doesn't matter. And I'm never 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.079 sure what the answer to this is. Are the true 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:17.120 fascists worse than the ones who are costplaying fascism just. 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.640 To get ahead? Like, because you can sit there and say, well, 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:20.960 the true fascists. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.160 At least they honestly believe this, whereas the other ones 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.360 it's like, really, you'll go along with this because it 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.480 gets you some money and keeps your face on TV. 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.960 But then the flip side of that is, obviously you 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:38.559 know the true fascist what they believe, Like, it doesn't 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.880 matter that they're sincere in their beliefs. Their beliefs are abhorring, 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.800 Their beliefs are awful, their beliefs are straight up evil. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.320 So I don't know the answer the overall answer your question, Molly, 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.000 other than to say I do think it's a case 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.520 by case basis. I don't think you can paint a 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.720 broad brush and say, oh, they're all doing this because X. 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.520 I think there's really two different groups and you have 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.680 to name and then you can say, oh, that person 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.720 is a true believer or oh that person is absolutely cost. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.520 Playing and they don't really believe this shit? 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.200 How do you sell it to yourself? 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.800 Then I don't know. I will never understand that. 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.840 I don't understand the you know, I've been saying this 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.000 a lot lately, like beyond, I don't know how a 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:19.960 lot of these people sleep at night, Like how do 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.319 you look in the mirror? And I always think when 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.440 you were a kid, it's just what you dreamed of 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.280 growing When I grow up, I want to be someone 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.520 who lies on TV for money. Maybe there are people 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.079 who are so you know, sociopathic that the answer is yes. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.280 But for a lot of these people, I don't think 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:36.000 the answer was yes. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.280 I don't think it was a lifelong dream to get 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.560 on the TV or to get on the internet, and 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.080 why for a living? And I don't know how you 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.640 live with yourself doing that. I couldn't do it. And 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.679 I don't think that makes me a great person. I 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.880 think that makes me a person, you know, So I 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.520 don't understand this and and this sort of piggyback to 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.640 a thought I've been having lately with regard to like 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.920 cable news in any place that has a lot of 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.680 these people on as guests, whether they're maga politicians or 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.120 maga commentators, you know, these people are lying to you, 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.840 and you can say while you're lying, but I don't 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.520 understand how you interview these people and you don't sit 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:12.640 there and say to them. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.400 Well, you don't believe that, because that's what it comes 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:14.640 out to. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.080 You hear these people saying things, and they'll say something 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.440 about how, you know, I'm afraid to walk down the 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.640 streets of New York in broad daylight. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.280 These interviewers, instead of letting that go, they need to say, no, 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:24.720 you're not. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.400 You don't believe that, Like, they need to be called 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.960 out on this shit, because they are straight up lying 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.080 or making shit up. And we're pretending to have these 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.760 serious discussions about you know, is New York safe to 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.000 walk down the street in the middle of the day. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.320 Maybe on the left will tell you it is, but here, 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.080 our guest today will tell you it's not. And it's like, no, 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:45.880 fuck off. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.160 Start calling these people out for their bullshit and start 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.440 calling them out for the fact that it's not just 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.560 that they're wrong, it's that they don't believe what they 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.640 themselves are saying, and call them on it and say 0:14:57.760 --> 0:14:58.960 you don't believe. 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:00.760 That right and you thing happens. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.920 Then I don't know. I don't know if maybe they 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.520 stop coming on or what, but I think it needs 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.960 to be done. We have to stop in the media 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.080 bears so much responsibility for this, for normalizing all this 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.000 shit and for taking it seriously, and for pretending to 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:19.040 have debates about stuff that should not be debated because 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.960 it's not debatable and one side is just making stuff up. 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:24.120 And this goes for everything. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:29.400 This goes for whether it's vaccines or you know, DEI 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.840 or whatever. Stop letting the right make shit up and 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:38.000 stop people on the left. Stop having these quote unquote 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.760 intellectual conversations with people who are making things up. Stop 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.720 presenting the other side, because it's not the other side, 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.600 it's the truth. And you don't need to sit there 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:52.240 with someone who tells you that vaccines are killing people, 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.400 because all you're doing by having that debate is elevating 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.800 it to both sides have equal standing thing, and instead 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.320 of that, you need to start telling people. You don't 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.480 believe that. You are saying that to get on TV. 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.880 You are saying that to advance your career, You are 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.400 saying that to please Donald Trump. But you know that's 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.040 not true. You don't believe that, And see what happens. 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.040 There's a reason I'm not a cable news host because 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:15.960 that show would follow me be off the air at 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.080 five minutes. Yeah, So let me ask you. 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.760 You have this sort of unforgivable stuff going on, right 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:27.000 You have people being run around by I say, gents, 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:31.400 you have checkpoints, I mean, just shocking stuff. Do you 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.600 think that it feels like the only way that any 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.600 of this stops is if people like people are clearly 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:38.240 not happy. 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.040 The polling is terrible on this. But I don't know 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:41.960 what that leads to. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.360 I don't know what it leads to either. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.240 I mean, I don't know if it means more beautiful 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.480 sandwiches being wasted, you know, in the sense that you're 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:54.400 not being eaten, but because they've become a symbol of resistance, 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:55.120 I don't know. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:56.920 I don't know the answer. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:01.480 And I don't know how far they can push before 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:07.400 the pushback becomes more than it is. And I do 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.639 know that if and when this is all over, I 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:15.200 don't want to see any truth and reconciliation bullshit, and 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.080 I don't want to see any you know. Well, we 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.480 need to move forward, and we need to forget that 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.399 all this stuff just happened. I know, I want people 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.160 in prison. I'd be happy if we brought back exile 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.960 and just sent them all to an island with no 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.000 gear and no food and they can fight for their 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.639 own survival because they think they're the alphas. Let them 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.160 go prove it somewhere outside of America. But I don't 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.399 want to hear shit. And I think Joe Biden, you know, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.280 really screwed this up. And I don't think his intentions 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.719 were bad, not just Joe Biden, the Democratic establishment in general, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.000 sort of giving a pass to a lot of the 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.280 January sixth stuff and just letting this stuff fester and 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.320 trying to pretend that we could just move past what happened. 0:17:58.400 --> 0:17:59.840 And a lot of that is how we got where 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:03.439 we are now, and that shouldn't be forgotten, and nothing 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:04.280 they're doing. 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:05.280 Now should be forgotten. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:10.920 The elimination of due process, the unlawful taking over of cities, 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.000 kidnapping people on the streets, and sending them to foreign countries. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.359 Who should not have that being done to them. I 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:18.720 don't know. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.640 It goes on and on, the removal of stuff from museums. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.520 Every single one of these things should not be forgotten 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.760 and should not be glossed over again. If and when 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.520 we get through this, there has to be a reckoning. 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.520 There doesn't have to be reconciliation, and there should not 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:36.520 be reconciliation. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:40.160 Andy Levy, I think you're right, But I also I'm 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.840 not sure that Democrats have the stomach for that, if 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:44.840 it even happens. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.480 So who is the big villain here? If on the 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:49.880 Democratic side, Merrick. 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.720 Garland, god, I guess to quote top Gun, the list 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.320 is long but distinguished. I can make you a list 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.600 of people who definitely didn't help, and Merk Garland would 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.119 be high on that list. Think Joe Biden helped, But 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.640 I say that with a lot of caveats. I think 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:09.399 on this particular front, Joe Biden didn't help. Joe Biden's 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.720 sort of twentieth century for lack of a better way 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.399 to call it, twentieth century political mind reach across the aisle. 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:17.560 It's just very. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:22.119 Clear to everyone who is not a Democratic politician or 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.960 consultant that that shit is over look. Democratic leadership has 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.119 been god awful, the Democratic consultant class. I was going 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.720 to say something that I probably shouldn't say. Yeah, not great. 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.680 I don't need to hear from James Carville ever again. 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.760 I don't need to hear from Bill Clinton ever again. Honestly, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.200 I don't need to hear from Hillary Clinton like the Clinton's. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.760 You know, go enjoy your life. I'm not saying I 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:51.000 wish Hillary Clinton ill. I'm just saying, go enjoy your life. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.440 James Carvill, go enjoy your life like go go, go 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.639 sit on a porch and sip whiskey. God bless, but 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.240 stop writing eds with horrible, horrible advice. 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.200 I'm using him. It's not just him. 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.119 I'm using him as sort of an avatar of the 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.120 Democratic political class. 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.679