1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and seventy three. 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: Last week Sarah was sharing all about her life as 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: I interviewed her, and so this week she is interviewing me. So, Sarah, 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,959 Speaker 1: let me know what I should tell you. Well, I 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: can't resist starting with the question that you gave me, 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: which I thought opened window to my soul. Tell me 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: about middle school, Laura, Oh, my goodness. Yes. So we 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: moved when I was in middle school. So I started. 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: I did sixth grade in North Carolina and I moved 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: then summer before seventh grade and started seventh grade in Indiana, 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: South Bend, Indiana, and this school had some issues which 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: I could now see, you know, as standard, Like I 22 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: was a nerdy girl, you know, I was going to 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: stand out for that regardless and being new on some level, 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was two schools coming together 25 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: for seventh grade. So it wasn't like everyone to each other, 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: but a lot of people did in fact know each other, 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: and so I was new in town as well, and 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: you know, it was not really the best time of 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: my life, I guess we could say. I and partly 30 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: I had worked ahead a bit in my previous school, 31 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: so that had been a school that was more oriented 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: toward accelerating people. So when I got to this new 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: middle school in Indiana, among other things that happened is 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: that I was given a math book in seventh grade 35 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: and just told to sit in a table by myself 36 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: and teach myself. And so I tried. It was hard. 37 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: I kind of lost much of the year. And it's 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: had this horrible thing that would then happen when we 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: had substitutes. Like so I was sitting in the back, 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: like looking at this book, you know, by myself, at 41 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: the table by myself. We had a substitute. They started 42 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: screaming at me, like I was being you know, you know, unsubordinate, 43 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: insubordinate how do you say it? Uh, So that had 44 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: to get worked out that in fact, this was what 45 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: I was supposed to be doing. And so then I 46 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: offer I proceeded to then make fun of me every 47 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: day for the entire time that the sub was there. Yeah. 48 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: So anyway, Wow, Then in eighth grade, the school, you know, 49 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: through various things. I'm sure my parents had part of 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: this too. I wound up taking a bus every day 51 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: over to the high school and doing math over there. 52 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: And now you have a middle schooler. Yes, but we're 53 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: in a district that is more oriented toward academic you 54 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: know things. I also think, I think we're in a 55 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: different time, like I think maybe the Nerds Day Nerds 56 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: Day just early oh gosh, you know. And well, what's 57 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: funny about this, I think about, you know, personality, how 58 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: this shapes is. I'm not sure that my competitive strengths 59 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily in math. I would say that I am 60 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: better at writing than I am at math. But that's 61 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: what you become known for, because that's the thing that 62 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: then stands out that people are prepared to sort of 63 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: recognize as a difference than somebody or that should be 64 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: at least dealt with. And so yeah, it's sort of 65 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: odd to me that I, you know, here, I am 66 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: a professional writer and everything. I've spent my middle school 67 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: years being known as the math nerd. So there you go. Interesting, 68 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: all right, the math nerd. I love it. I like 69 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: you though I joined the cheerleading squad. We'll build it 70 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: all out there. But in your case it was to be. 71 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: It was totally it didn't work. So what is the 72 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: meal you eat most often? Well, probably pizza because you know, 73 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: kids insist on having make your own pizza night. We 74 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 1: either dons, you know, we almost never do delivery of stuff, 75 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: but we do the frozen pizzas in the oven, so 76 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: the kids will have Adjorno's cheese pizza. And if we've 77 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: thought I had, my husband and I have some nicer 78 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: freezer pizza that we've we've gotten with more adult toppings. 79 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: Or we do make your own pizza where we have 80 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: the dough and then we can put our own toppings 81 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: on it. So yeah, we we sometimes do steak on 82 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: the weekends, like Michael will grill steak. We probably have 83 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: that fairly frequently as well. So both both good meals 84 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: not bad to you know, eat frequently. Yeah, I like 85 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: both of those things, especially pizza. Okay, what is one 86 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: thing about parenting that has surprised you? Not necessarily something 87 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: you're surprised that you do, although you can you can 88 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: do that, but just in general, let's see, you know, 89 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: I think I spent a lot of time babysitting, so 90 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the kid's stuff was more you know, 91 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: not not so surprising for me. I guess I certainly 92 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: did not like pregnancy at all. I would say that 93 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: you don't know how icky it is. On the outside. 94 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: It looks like, you know, nice glowing round people, and 95 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: it's like, no, you know this other human being inside 96 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: you that is battling for space and they're kicking and 97 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: punching you constantly, and you know you're uncomfortable and such 98 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: for much of the time. But you know, then you 99 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: get a really cool cut out of it. And I 100 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: obviously knew I liked kids, so that's the that's a 101 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: that's a good part about it. I like to think 102 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm a fairly laid back parent. I know that I 103 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: probably would come across as given that I'm right about 104 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: time management, productivity. People might think I'm A type A 105 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: kind of person, and I am one hundred percent not 106 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: in much of my life. I very much like, yeah, 107 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: it'll be okay, we'll deal with it. Most things aren't 108 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: that big a deal. Is that more in parenting or 109 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: in general? Probably many things. You know, parenting gives you 110 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: more opportunity to see that, just because there are many 111 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: opportunities too for things to go wrong. But you know 112 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: it's you know, bad grades, they happen, fights they happen, 113 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, things get lost, but one way or another, 114 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: you keep powering through. And so yeah, I don't know 115 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: if I thought I would be slightly more type A 116 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: than I am, but I just you know, life's too short. 117 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, Well, laid back parent, tell me 118 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: about what you think your first big travel adventure as 119 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: a family of seven will be. Well, let's see once 120 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: things open back up. I don't know how many trips 121 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: we will take as all seven of us. I mean 122 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: we do some sort of general family stuff, like I 123 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: think we're going to go skiing this winter. I think, 124 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: barring you know, new developments, so going someplace for a 125 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: couple of days, seven all seven. But obviously the baby's 126 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: not gonna ski, so I'll be just like in the 127 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: house with the baby all the time while Michael's out 128 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: with the other kids doing skiing. So but you know, 129 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: in the future, I think we may split up some. 130 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: I think we may not bring the baby on some 131 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: trips in order to let the big kids do some 132 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: fun stuff that they will not be able to otherwise. 133 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you think about stuff like amusement parks, they 134 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: are really so much better for kids who are aged 135 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: five and up than under age five, and so with those, 136 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: I'd like to do them without the baby. I think 137 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: I'd like to do more international trips, you know, with 138 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: the older kids. For instance, I did a trip not 139 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: internationally because we can't really do that right now, but 140 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, in the US with the big three kids 141 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: in mid September, and that was a lot of fun. 142 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: I think I'll do some of that with that split, 143 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: knowing that I will probably get to do a lot 144 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: of travel with Alex and Henry when they are the 145 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: only two kids who are home. So I anticipate doing 146 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: some more you know, spring break and summer and Christmas trips, 147 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: maybe internationally with them when they're teenagers and my older 148 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: kids have moved out, So I think it's okay that 149 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: they're not getting to do some of that stuff maybe 150 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: now and then. Yeah, so anywhere is a pain, Like 151 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: it's just hard, Like you can't even rent cars some 152 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: places that have space for all of you. So that's 153 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: why I was so curious, like is there going to 154 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: be a party bus for your family? But you know, 155 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: when we went to London with the three big kids 156 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eighteen, like we could, we had 157 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: such a hard time renting a hotel room because you 158 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: couldn't rent a hotel rooms for five people. You couldn't 159 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: even really rent them for four. So we kept finding 160 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: out like we had to do two everywhere. So I mean, 161 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: if like you could only do three people in a 162 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: hotel room, places like we're having three rooms. We don't 163 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: even have that many adults. Like how, I don't know, 164 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: it's there's all sorts of limitations here. I think you 165 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: may be a vrbob all right, so what this is 166 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: along the same veins? I don't know why I was 167 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: in a vacation questioning mind, what is your most and 168 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: least favorite disney World rides? You can sell Disneyland, Well, 169 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: we've been to Disney World more off in the Disneyland. 170 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: So you know, I really like stuff like Avatar Flight 171 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: of Passage, Like you know, you're flying, it feels like 172 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: you're flying and you are looking at the screen these 173 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: beautiful scenes that make it feel like you are really 174 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: traveling in a way that you wouldn't otherwise. So you're 175 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: flying on your banshee through Pandora. I really like that one. 176 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: I also just like the these are both at Animal Kingdom, 177 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: by the way, the Kilimanjaro Safari, just because I mean 178 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: seeing game in the wild and I'm putting that in 179 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: quote March you guys can't see this, but you're in Disney, 180 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: so it's not really the wild. But Michael and I 181 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: went to Africa on our honeymoon and it was really 182 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: cool to see animals from a jeep. And you know, 183 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: with Disney you're getting to see all of them. You 184 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: don't have to drive for six hours to see all 185 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: the animals, I you know, or you could go walk 186 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: by tigers or something. So those are really cool. In 187 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: terms of ones, I dislike anything that's like really spinning 188 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: or drive, so like the teacups, like you know, I mean, 189 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: why would you ever go to anyone just to go 190 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: on the teacups, but people do because they're like in 191 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: Disney or whatever. Those just just make me feel sick. 192 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: Or any sort of tilta whorl type, you know, thing 193 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: that's not right at Disney, but anything that spins a lot, 194 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: just I try to get the kids to go on 195 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: by themselves or try to convince Michael to take them. Okay, 196 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: what is your favorite distance and place to run? Well, 197 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean I like running slightly long. You know, past 198 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: ten miles starts to hurt, but probably somewhere between five 199 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: and ten miles is good to feel like you've really 200 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: done a workout, but you've not killed yourself for the 201 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: next six days or something like that. So you know, 202 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: doing a ten k or something like that is probably 203 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: a good distance anywhere that's really beautiful. I mean, right 204 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: now I'm doing a lot of trail runs just around 205 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: my house because we're recording this in late October, which 206 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: is peak leaf season. So even just running on a trail, 207 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, half a mile from my house is just 208 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: this gorgeous autumn scenery, which I really love. But overall 209 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: in life, I love to run on the beach. So 210 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: anytime that I am near a beach and can run. 211 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: One of my favorite runs ever was when we were 212 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: on vacation in San Diego and we were near the 213 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: beach and I was able to go run along the 214 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: cliffs for about five miles or so and it was 215 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: just gorgeous, I mean utterly gorgeous to run with the 216 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: drop to this pounding Pacific surf, the wide open sky, 217 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: and you know, I love it. So it makes you 218 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: feel like you could run forever. Sounds amazing. We're going 219 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: to take a quick break, and I just made up 220 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: a new fun question. Okay, my new made up fun question. 221 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: If your family was going to get a pet, and 222 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: maybe they already have one that I don't know about, 223 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: what would the pet be. Well, we have fish. We 224 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: have a hermit crab named Luna. So Luna is a 225 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: little Luna Conway has been charted around to various things 226 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: my poor kids, because I don't really want any other pets. 227 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: We had a Blessing of the Animals service outdoors at 228 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: church and Ruth, who is the owner of Luna, brought 229 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: Luna to be blessed. So Luna Conway, the permit crab, 230 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: has received his or her blessing. I don't really know. 231 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: Permit crabs you know their gender, and yeah, that's what 232 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: I would stay at. But my family is working really, 233 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: really really hard on the dog. Michael is working from 234 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: home for the foreseeable future, which means that until the 235 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: dog is in a position of being trained like I 236 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: would not have to deal with it. We have identified 237 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: one child, namely Sam, who wants to take full responsibility 238 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: for it, so it's not one of these diffuse things 239 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: like who wants to empty the dishwasher. Nobody wants totand 240 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: up the dishwasher, and they definitely want to argue about 241 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: who is not doing it if your siblings are doing it, 242 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: So we shall see. It may happen. I am not 243 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: excited about that possibility. But if I don't have to 244 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: do anything, which I know that many people have said 245 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: that that's an impossibility, like Mom always winds up doing 246 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: everything that I've said, Like if I wind up doing everything, 247 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: we're going to have to find another home for the dog, 248 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: Like I'm not doing this, but if they are willing 249 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: to take that on, my husband is the backstop, then 250 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: I guess that it may happen. Wow, that was not expected, 251 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: but exciting. Okay, we're going to go back to babyhood. 252 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: What was your shortest and longest period nursing a child, 253 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: And do you think you'll be the longest with your 254 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: last one because it's like the last one. Yeah, that 255 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: tends to happen with the last one, doesn't it. So currently, 256 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: of the older four, Jasper was the shortest, and partly 257 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: that's just because he was my first and it, you know, 258 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: never I didn't know as much about what I was 259 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: doing to sort of keep milk levels up, like you know, 260 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: in my mind, since I was working from home, I 261 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: didn't need something like a pump because you know, I'm 262 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: working from home. I just nurse the baby when I 263 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: have to. But then if you miss any feedings, you're behind, 264 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: and so it very quickly catches up with you. I 265 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: didn't know that you should pump an extra bottle a 266 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: day just to keep it up, which I knew for 267 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: the second one, and then that made it much easier. 268 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: So Jasper was two about eleven months, but that last 269 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: sort of two or three months was very minimal, just 270 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, once at night in the morning. Ruth we 271 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: were to eighteen months. She would probably have gone for 272 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: a long long time, but that seemed, you know, okay, 273 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: eighteen months there. Yeah, Henry may goo for a while. 274 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,239 Speaker 1: I mean we're at ten months now. He is actually 275 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: still nursing a lot. You know, he gets a pumped 276 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: bottle in midday. We've sort of worked that out so 277 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: I have less interruptions. But you know, I do morning, afternoon, night, 278 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: middle of the night, sometimes multiple times middle of the night. 279 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: And you know, I think the daytime ones will end 280 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: in the next you know, probably by one, right, that's 281 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: when that tends to go, and then he'll be eating 282 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: more sort of switch over to milk for that. But 283 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: the nighttime and morning ones, I don't see any real 284 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: reason to stop that anytime soon, especially since I'm not 285 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: traveling apart from him all that much, you know, except 286 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: for if I again, like if you do fun trips 287 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: with the big kids, So yeah, I could. I could 288 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: see that going probably to at least you know, eighteen months, 289 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: like I did with Ruth, and then we'll see from there. Awesome, 290 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: All right, what do I have here? Well, I'm going 291 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: to also throw you a dinner party, and you are 292 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: going with your husband, but you can invite any four 293 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: other people that you would like. Who would they be? Yeah? See, 294 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: this is hard because I don't know if there's like 295 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: famous people that would really be all that. I mean, 296 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: you know, it could be fun to have somebody who 297 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: would probably be a good conversationalist if they were in 298 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: their professional mode, like somebody like you know Oprah or 299 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: you know any of the hosts of like you know 300 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie or you know, these these people who do televisions, 301 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: they have like they do their life professionally talking with people, 302 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: but you know, they probably don't keep that up in 303 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: their social engagements. I'm not sure. You know, it'd be 304 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: fun just to get together with friends. I like, I 305 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: like having dinner with friend. You know, it's fun to 306 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: have dinner with you and Josh, for instance. I enjoyed that, 307 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, so I'd probably be more oriented toward toward 308 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: things like that, just you know, having a dinner with friends, 309 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: rather than you know, somebody famous or powerful or historical 310 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 1: or I mean, maybe if I could bring back Virginia 311 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: Wolf but she promised not to be crazy like during 312 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: our dinner, I don't know, we'll see that is awesome, Yeah, 313 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: I had. I mean, I thought through this one. Not 314 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: to hijack your interview, but I thought through and I 315 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: was having trouble too, because the people that you're really 316 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: excited to see that would be kind of intimidating. So 317 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: that's kind of hard. It's like you wouldn't relax. Like 318 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: I was like, what if I spill wine on myself? 319 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: Like Michelle Obama? I like, this is great, And I'm 320 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: like what if I have like spin it to my teeth? 321 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: Like So, I mean, it would be cool to meet 322 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: some of these people, but you know, if we're talking 323 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 1: like a dinner party, I guess it's just a different vibe. Okay, 324 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 1: so low key friend dinner party. All right? Do you 325 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: I think you asked me this as well, But do 326 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: you ever imagining? Do you ever imagine retiring or do 327 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: you think that you will continue to write and speak forever? 328 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: Like do you have an end goal in mind? Or 329 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: just one day at a time? Yeah, I mean I 330 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: I don't see myself ending writing because that's just so 331 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: much a part of who I am is just creating 332 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: content about stuff and expressing myself in that way. Now, 333 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: whether I would do it in the format that I 334 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: currently do is a different matter. I mean, speaking I enjoy, 335 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: but you know, I probably would not find myself interested 336 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: in getting on a plane for a one hour speech 337 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: in Chicago to some group that whatever you know at 338 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: age seventy five, like, I feel like I will get 339 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: tired of that. But you know, it's both of us 340 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: have chosen careers that it's not really one hundred percent 341 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: about you know, the money or anything like that, and 342 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: so it's a separate question from whether you need to 343 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: work or not. If you enjoy what you do and 344 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: you really see it as the way you contribute to 345 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: the world, then there's no reason to stop doing that. 346 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: And I think in both of our cases we've continued 347 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: doing it even during a time that I think socially 348 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: many people would have been accepting of us, saying, oh, well, 349 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: I shouldn't be doing this now and there's something else 350 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: I should be doing in terms of like you know, 351 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: raising children full time for instance, that we've kept doing 352 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: it during time when it would have been you know, 353 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: there would have been an out if we wanted to write. 354 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: And so no, I don't. I don't think I would 355 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: ever stop writing. I plan to keep doing that. Okay, good, 356 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: because I want to just keep reading. Your book would 357 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: be like time management for eighty year olds, like what 358 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm doing eighty year olds are going to need some 359 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: specific advice geared to their age group. In fact, that 360 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: might work right differ things like I, you know, maybe 361 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: I'll allow myself to get more eccentric in my old 362 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: age and we'll write about whatever random thing I want to. 363 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: I just came up with your next How about like 364 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: relaxed parenting lessons from a mom of five? There's something 365 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: to that, but file that one. Okay. The one million 366 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: dollar charitable gift is now in your hands to distribute. 367 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: So where's it going? Yeah, So, I mean I've thought 368 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: about this, you know. I definitely like things like, you know, 369 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: if I'm doing locally. I think there's a big need 370 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: for like food pantries and stuff, especially now, and a 371 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: million isn't enough to do much. But I think if 372 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: you concentrated it locally, if I gave to food pantries 373 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia and New Jersey, like, it would make a difference, 374 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: and in a small geographic place now sort of longer term, 375 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: as I'm thinking about those, and maybe if we added 376 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: a zero or two to this number, I like these. 377 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: There are a couple of programs out there that provide 378 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: fellowships for cool ideas and the idea is, you know, 379 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: you give say a somewhere like you know, fifty to 380 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars a year as a stipend for 381 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: somebody who's doing something really cool, so they can you know, 382 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: scale it up, like they have a little bit of 383 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: time to make the idea bigger, to you know, bring 384 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: other people on board for it. And so one of 385 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: the things that I've always thought is kind of my 386 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: economics thing here is is using more like free market 387 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: economic principles, the libertarian side of me in here for 388 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: solving social problems. And one, you know, I think I'm 389 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: thinking about this. I interviewed a hedge fund manager many 390 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: many years ago who among the charitable things he was 391 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 1: doing was a program that paid math teachers extra. And 392 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: the idea was that if you are coming out of 393 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: college and you have a math degree, you have a 394 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: different set of options and jobs available to you than 395 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: if you are coming out of college with let's say 396 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: an English degree. And so if you want to go teach, 397 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: you are taking more of a pay cut than the 398 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: people who have a degree that is not necessarily as 399 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: associated with with high paid things. And so in order 400 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: to get really good people into teaching math. He would 401 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: pay them more. And you know, like school systems can't 402 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: do that very easily in terms of collective bargaining. It's 403 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: very difficult to pay some matter teachers more or things 404 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: like that. But somebody coming in from the outside, sure, 405 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: why not, they can give them money. And so that 406 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: was what he was doing. And I thought that was 407 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: a really cool idea as a way to like raise 408 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: the caliber of you know, math teachers for instance. So 409 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: but that's like the kind of thing that I think 410 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: would be a really I would want to find ideas 411 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: like that and fund the people who had come up 412 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: with them, who you know, then they could bring in 413 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: other people as well, so that you know, and bring 414 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: in other sources of funding, and they could network with 415 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: each other too. Like that would be part of the 416 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: fellowship program, is that, you know, we'd all get to 417 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: gather twice during the year and talk about their ideas. 418 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: Free Market Economics Foundation Fellowship, the Vanderkamp, the Vanderkam Fellows. Yes, 419 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: I got a Vandercam to do this. That's not kind 420 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: of good, I gotta say, Well, I love that. Okay, 421 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: Well I'm also going too since we do have a 422 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: few minutes left ask you the other great question you asked, 423 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: which is, and it may be similar along the ones 424 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: of what you just mentioned, but what strikes your eye 425 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: when you are looking at mag seen titles or you're 426 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: browsing and your clickbaiting, like what what gets you all 427 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: excited to click on it? Clickbait? Is different than what 428 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: I've What I've been randomly obsessed with lately is reading 429 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: about early human evolution. I don't know if you saw 430 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: that one coming, but a little because if your reading 431 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: reports a little of that theme in your boot blogs, 432 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: there are in the course of human history there were 433 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: other human like species that were on the Earth concurrently 434 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: with Homo sapiens in some cases and in some cases 435 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: private prior to Homo sapiens, and we're just like learning 436 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: about them now, Like the Neanderthals, the Denisovans. You know, 437 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: there's Homo Heidelborganzas, the Flora, the Floris island in Indonesia, 438 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: there was like this hobbit species of humanoids. So there's 439 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: all this crazy stuff and you know, in one vers 440 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: version of human history that you think of as like 441 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: oh well, you know, coming up from chimpanzees like this 442 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: straightforward evolution, but it wasn't like that at all, Like 443 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: there were species that came and then it went extinct, 444 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: and that there were you know, then genetic mutations that 445 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: branched off, and then there are others and so then 446 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: what led to the point where then you know, Homo 447 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: sapiens became the last ones about forty thousand years ago. 448 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: And there's many theories, but a lot of it's speculation 449 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: because we don't really know. I mean, we're basing this 450 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: based on like a set of knuckle bones and a 451 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: layer of ash found in a cave somewhere in you know, Iraq, right, 452 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: Like that's what the level of you know, the fossil 453 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: evidence that's there, and so people have to speculate like 454 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: what happened. And so I find the Neanderthals just fascinating. 455 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: And so I've read like literally five books in the 456 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: last month on early human origins and so that's my 457 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: current topic of obsession. But I go through these like 458 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: I went through a Civil War phase like two years 459 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: ago that I read like literally ten books on the 460 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: Civil War are from different not not perspectives by good 461 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: different people who were in it, like you know, different grants, memoirs, 462 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: like you know, Frederick Olmsted, who also designed Central Park, 463 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: was also a correspondent who traveled around the Antebellum South 464 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: and wrote all sorts of things dispatches from his time there. 465 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: So that was fascinating to read. You know. Anyway, what 466 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: is one of those theories about how about what about 467 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: how how the Homo sapiens went out? Well, so, I 468 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: mean there's idea that the ancestors of Homo sapiens were 469 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: sort of evolving in Africa, there was like a bottleneck 470 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: at some point, like it went down to very small numbers. 471 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, there had been 472 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: a spread of this Heidelbergenza species into Europe and that 473 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: evolved into the Neanderthals. And then something happened around fifty 474 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: thousand years ago that that you know, they were able 475 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: to capitalize the Homo sapiens were able to capitalize on 476 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: their cultural advantages, on their brains, developing new things, and 477 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: they were able to spread out and as they came 478 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: into Europe and other places, they just you know, displaced 479 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: another species. Same as you know, there's evidence when when 480 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: Homo sapiens came into across the land bridge from Asia 481 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: into the Americas, like all the massive megafauna died out 482 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: within about like a thousand years of them getting there, 483 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: and it's probably the exact same thing that happened, Like, 484 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, the competition for resources with other humans is 485 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: just like you know, humans reproduced slowly, so if there's 486 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: one fewer baby per year, like a species will die out. 487 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: And the same thing of like if you were hunting 488 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: one more mammoth a year than you should have, like 489 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: the mammoths will die out. So it's probably a very 490 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: similar dynamic. We're like displacers. That's so interesting, although in 491 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 1: the case of the Neanderthals, there were things that happened 492 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: in the course of the displacing, which is why there's 493 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: a lot of Neanderthal DNA in modern humans as well. Yes, 494 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: I've read you can actually find out like how much 495 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: much the handles all you are. I think I'm saying 496 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: it wrong though it's supposed to be neander tal or 497 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: something because it's German. But Peo will accept multiple pronunciations 498 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: on this podcast. Well, that was fascinating. You're right, that 499 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: wasn't a deep dive I necessarily expected. Well, one last question. 500 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: We're twenty eight minutes in what is your love of 501 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: the week this week doing date nights again? Oh my goodness, 502 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: Like you know, it had been seven months, and then 503 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: we realized that we have a window of time on 504 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: like Monday evenings that works. And so for the past 505 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of weeks, like every other week 506 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: or so, we've gone out to a local restaurant. It's 507 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: not very full or you can sit outside, and it's 508 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: kind of sad. I think a lot of these restaurants 509 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: will not be here in a few months, which is 510 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: horrible and terrible, but you know, doing what we can 511 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: to try to get back out there eating at some 512 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: of them. And it's been really nice to have some 513 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: time when the kids are not on top of us, 514 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: you know. Although curiously enough, we now actually have some 515 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: time during the work day when there's no kids on 516 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,959 Speaker 1: top of us because there are a few hours of 517 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: overlap when all the kids are now at school. So 518 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: there you go, Well that is wonderful. Well, this was fascinating. 519 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: We learned all about bad Disney World rides and Laura's 520 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: soon to be foundation someday, as well as yes, exactly 521 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: some anthropology stuck in there. So that was fascinating. We'll 522 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: have to do this again exactly. I enjoyed this and 523 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: I enjoyed interviewing you last week, so there we go. 524 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: All right, Well, this has been best of both worlds. 525 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: This episode, Sarah has been interviewing me. We'll be back 526 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: next week with more on making work in life fit together. 527 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 528 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 529 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 530 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 531 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 532 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: life work together.