1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: So Michael Verishow is on the air even Sunday's our 3 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: guest as a former CAPITALI City police chief, a position 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: he held on January sixth, twenty twenty one. I wanted 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: to make the point with his background. This guy's not 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 2: a lightweight. He's got a BS at ms from Johns 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: Hopkins University, a pretty high brow, rigorous academic background. He 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: has an MA and homeland security from the Naval Postgraduate School. 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 2: This guy is thoughtful about strategy and operations and logistics 10 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: in law enforcement. It's what he's devoted his life to. 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: This isn't somebody who rows through the ranks because they 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: checked the right box that they weren't a white male. 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: He is, in fact a white male. This is a 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: guy who, by all accounts, and I think he has demonstrated, 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: cares deeply about law and order and security and preserving 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: the peace. And that's to be respected. So now we 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: get to January sixth. I know you've told this story 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: because I've seen you tell this story. I wish i'd 19 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: let you tell your story in public, but let's walk through. 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: I won't interrupt you. Why don't you tell the story 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 2: as as you know it of January. 22 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: Sixth, I will. I think your listeners will definitely be 23 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: surprised about what they're about to hear because a lot 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: of people will hear about you know, Trump offering national 25 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: Guard and what happened to the national Guard and stuff 26 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: like this. You're going to hear the truth. This truth 27 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: has been upheld by congressional hearings. I come with the facts. 28 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: I'm thirty years law enforcement. I'm not going to say 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: something that I can't back up. So let's take you 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: back to the Sunday before January sixth. January third was 31 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 3: the first day of the one hundred and seventeenth Congress. 32 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: Regardless if it falls on a weekend, January third is 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: always going to be the first day of a new Congress. 34 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: When it comes in a session, we do all the 35 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: swearing ends of the members of Congress. So it's a 36 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: big damp on Capitol Hill. I had been kind of watching, 37 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: you know, the crowd sizes that were coming in. In 38 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: mind you the intelligence I was getting in the intelligence 39 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: to a whole other issue of what the intelligence I 40 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: was getting didn't say anything about any type of coordinated 41 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: attack at the Capitol, any threat to the federal buildings 42 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: or to the Capitol, or to members of Congress, nothing 43 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 3: like that. I was just concerned about the size of 44 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 3: the crowd and the number of officers I had to put 45 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: on my perimeter. I had four foot high bike rack 46 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: that was going to surround the Capitol, which is a 47 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 3: sizable area. I only had two hundred and seventy three 48 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: officers to put on that perimeter, and that included response 49 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 3: officers for civil disobedience. So it wasn't a whole lot 50 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: of officers. Because we had a joint Assessant of excuse me, 51 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 3: a joint session of Congress. It took a lot of 52 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: my personnel inside of the building. So i'd gone over 53 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: to the Senate, the House Sergeant Arms. I'm acquired by 54 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: federal law. This is another interesting thing. If I want 55 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 3: to bring in any assistance for my officers, any federal assistance, 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 3: whether it's been a National Guard, any federal assistance, I 57 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: have to buy law. It's to us nineteen seventy get 58 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: permission from the Capitol Police Board. So Sunday morning, at 59 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: nine thirty five, I went over to see the House 60 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: Sergeant Arms. Guy by the name of Paul Irving, who 61 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: I knew. He carried most of the weight. He was 62 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: the big, heavy hitter. Everyone kind of listened to him 63 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 3: on the Capitol police board. I know this would be 64 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 3: a sensitive topic for him, but I went over and 65 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: ask for national Guard support specifically, just for the preimiter 66 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: unarmed national Guard support. I wasn't asking for a farm 67 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: national Guard support at that time. He didn't approve it. 68 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: He didn't approve it specifically because he said he didn't 69 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 3: like the optics of the national Guard standing a line 70 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: with the Capitol in the background. And I think that 71 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: was because he felt is his boss, his main boss, 72 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: Speaker Pelosi would have gotten upset about it. And he 73 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: also said the intelligence didn't support it. Well, yeah, I 74 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: understand the intelligence didn't support it, but I still worried 75 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: about the size of the crowds. And I told him, 76 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: you know that I'm worried about the size of the 77 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: crowds and i'd like to, you know, have some resources 78 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: on the perimeter with my officers. Again, he at that point. 79 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: Can you give us a time from again? When was 80 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: this conversation? 81 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: Roughly, this conversation was on Monday, January third, three days 82 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: before January sixth. 83 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so plenty of time to muster troops if you 84 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: need them. 85 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: Plenty of times the must mustard troops we've we've used, 86 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: you know, in my in my history with DC Police 87 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: and even with Capitol Police. Who leaves national Guard and 88 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: there's plenty of time. But it gets it gets even 89 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: better because I'm going to tell you how we knew 90 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: the Nation Guard was prepared. So he refers me over 91 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: to Mike Stinger, who's now the chairman of the Capitol 92 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: Police board and he became the chairman on that day. 93 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: I went over to his office. Mike Sninger wasn't inn 94 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: I came back later on, right a little bit after eleven. 95 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 3: He's in the office, and I can tell he's already 96 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 3: been given heads up. I'm coming over to ask for 97 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: National Guard. When I asked for National Guard support, he 98 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: won't approve it. Again, he's concerned. Later on he in 99 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: April of that after January sixth, I finally asked me 100 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: and said he do you know I was coming over, 101 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: said Irvi and told him, but anyway, he wouldn't. He 102 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: wouldn't approve it. He said, you know, why don'ch you call? 103 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: Do you know anybody at the DC National Guard if 104 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: we need their assistance, how quickly could they get here? 105 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: And I know the Commandian General of the DC National Guard, 106 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: William Walker. General Walker. I tol him, I can call 107 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 3: General Walker, but that's still not going to help us. 108 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: We have, you know, issues on the perimeter. But he said, 109 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: I got to run out. He's going to the swearing 110 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: in of members of Congress, and he said that's that's 111 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: that's the best we're going to do. He wouldn't approve it, 112 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 3: so he leaves out. I go back to my office 113 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: later on that day. Just a short time later, I 114 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 3: get back. One of my deputy chiefs approaches me and says, 115 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: we received a call from Carol Corman. She's the program 116 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: manager for the Defense Support for Civil Authorities, which is 117 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 3: the National Guard, and coming to support you know, civil 118 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: authorities law enforcement it's needed. She was calling to ask 119 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: if we were going to be requesting the National Guard 120 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: for January six Now I'd just been denied twice my 121 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: request for the use of National Guard on January sixth, 122 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: and by law, I had to tell him to tell 123 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: her no, we aren't. I've dealt with her before because 124 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: I'd been denied. So coming into January sixth, I don't 125 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 3: have that Pentagon had offered National Guard. I had to 126 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 3: turn it down. I've been denied twice by the House 127 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: and Senate Sergeant Arms. So coming into January sixth, twelve 128 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: fifty eight, in the command center, we're working with the 129 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: pipe bomb that had we started down at the Republican 130 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: National Committee, which is just a couple of blocks south 131 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 3: of the US Capital. We had been alerted of a 132 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: pipe bomb. I want to say, right around twelve forty 133 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 3: one pm, we're dealing with that. I mean, my watchman 134 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: are showing me some pictures of the pipe bomb. When 135 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: somebody says we have a large crowd approaching our west front. 136 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: I look up, but we have cameras. There's two like 137 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: roadways coming up toward the west front, right next to 138 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 3: the reflecting Pool, Pennsylvania Avenue, Ryland Avenue, coming up to 139 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: two circles. I see a couple hundred people at each 140 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: of the circles approaching our fence line, and some of 141 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 3: the people in the group got very confrontational and physical 142 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 3: with the officers very quickly. I've handled lots of protests. 143 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 3: I've seen lots of you know, where the marchers come 144 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: up to the line and the gate, and we'll usually 145 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: have ten fifteen minutes of back and forth where they're 146 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: yelling and so like that before he gets to this point. 147 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 3: This was a matter of a matter of minutes before 148 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: they started pulling out the gate and swinging at my officers. 149 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: And again this was a court group of people that 150 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: were in the in the crowd. So I look down. 151 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: That's twelve fifty three. I see what's going on. I 152 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: you know, Kevin come from DC Police. I reach over 153 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: to decent police and say, hey, if you guys get 154 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: some resources, send them our way. And the twelve fifty 155 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: eight I called the Senate Star of the I'm sorry, 156 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: the House sergeant arms Paul Irving to request permission. I'm 157 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: still required by law to request permission even in an emergency. 158 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: Now Congress has since changed that law December of twenty 159 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: twenty one. They changed it and allows the chiefs calling 160 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: resources that I having to go to this but anyway, 161 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: they say, admitted the failure. So twelve fifty eight, I 162 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: call Paul Irving. It took eleven calls. Let me back up. 163 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: I start following myself. My adrenaline start pumping when I'm 164 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: talking about this. So when I first called him, I said, 165 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: it's bad on the West Front. My officers are getting overrun. 166 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: I need federal resources now, I need permission to call 167 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: in the National Guard. He says to me, quote, let 168 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: me run this up the chain and I'll be right 169 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: back to you. So he and he has a liaison 170 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: officer seeing right behind me, watching the same thing I'm 171 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: seeing on my screens. I get off the phone. I'm dumbfounded. 172 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: I'm seeing again. My officer are now backing up as 173 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: the crowd is getting cloth, you know, starting to move 174 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 3: on the Capitol. So I call Mike Stinger, the Senate 175 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: Surgeon Arms call him immediately and say, hey, you know 176 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: we're getting over run again. He has the thea's I'm 177 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: sitting right behind me. I needed media permission to bring 178 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: in the National Guard. He said, what did Paul Irving 179 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: tell you? I said, he's going to run it up 180 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: the chain. I mean, I mean he's going to run 181 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 3: up to Speaker Celosi and get right back to me. He said, well, 182 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: let's wait to hear from Paul Irving. I made eleven 183 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: more phone calls to the two of them, seventy one 184 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 3: minutes before I finally got approval at two nine pm 185 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: and Michael Barry. 186 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: Joe the chief of the Capitol Police on January sixth, 187 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, with Stephen Sound. 188 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: He's our guest telling his story, and we were now 189 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: in the middle of the afternoon. You've waited over an hour, 190 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: You've made a number of calls. The situation is turning 191 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: in your estimation. Are the people who are beginning to 192 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: approach the capital? Do you suspect that any of those 193 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: individuals are federal plans? Do you suspect that they're paid activists? 194 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: Do you think they're just people who showed up or frustrated? 195 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: Do you have a sense of that? 196 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: So are you asking like at the time or are 197 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: you asking now that I reflect back on it. 198 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked. I guess both would be important 199 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: to know. 200 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. So at the time, all I was thinking about 201 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 3: had had it We get my officers some assistants. Uh. 202 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: They were they were getting their rear ends handed to them. Uh. 203 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: And I need to get them some assistants real quick. 204 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: And I was just dumbfounded as repeatedly denials and delays 205 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 3: I was getting, you know, looking back on it. You know, 206 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: I keep hearing I try and you know, really stick 207 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 3: to it. Be a person of the facts. If I 208 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: know facts, I'm going to pass them on. You know, 209 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 3: I hear a lot about you know, there could have 210 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: been tief in the in the crowd. There could have 211 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: been you know, different people in the crowd very well 212 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: could be if I if I had facts that I'd 213 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: absolutely pass that, pass that on to you. Looking at 214 00:09:58,679 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: some of the videos, you see a lot of people 215 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 3: all wearing you know, it looks like brand new equipment, 216 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: brand new hats, flags, stuff like that. Who knows, who 217 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: knows what that that could tell you, But I will 218 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: tell you, you know, I've suspected you know, all along, and 219 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: it wouldn't be unusual front event in Washington. See when 220 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 3: you talk about federal agents, whether it's a Fourth of 221 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: July celebration, a state funeral, a cherry Boston parade, paper, 222 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 3: even something like that. We we still have you'll put 223 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: together some of these plain closed teams that oftentimes are 224 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: made up of you know, people from the Washington Field 225 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: Office of the FBI, Secret Service, some of the Joint 226 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: Terrorist Task Force members, just to go out there and 227 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 3: keep an eye look for any issues or if we 228 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: get a suspicious package, you can you know, respond to 229 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 3: the suspecial package quickly to start making assessments. So it 230 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: wouldn't I wouldn't have been surprised to think, okay, we 231 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: had some some plain closed assets in the in the crowd. 232 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: But you know, as I began to do my research, 233 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 3: and you know, I got I literally got stripped out 234 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: of my office the very next day and I hopefully 235 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: we have time to get to that. And I literally 236 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 3: they sat at home, and I had people come out 237 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: of the woodwork, I had whistle blowers come out and 238 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: start pushing information to me. And found out that the 239 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: FBI had been receiving information just prior to January sixth 240 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,599 Speaker 3: that indicated there's several what they considered domestic terrorists that 241 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: were most likely planning to come to Washington, d C. 242 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: For the event. Then as we got closer, the numbers 243 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: seem to seem to get higher, so you know, and 244 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 3: I found this in the aftermath that there at one 245 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: point they were tracking nineteen people that were on their 246 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 3: domestic terrorists list as coming to planning on coming to 247 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: Washingt d C. Now, I can tell you this, they're 248 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 3: not tracking them with just nobody. They're going to be 249 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 3: tracking them with agents. If they think somebody comes in, 250 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 3: they know they have a flight coming in or something 251 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: like that, they're going to be putting eyes on these people. 252 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: So it wouldn't you know, if we're we have that 253 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: many people that they suspect our domestic terrorists, I suspect 254 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: you're going to have significant resources in the crowd watching them. 255 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 3: So that's where I based my opinion on. Now, Christopher 256 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: Ray has come out and said that there was a 257 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: number of what they call confidential team and sources chs 258 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: is in the crowd. Uh. Some people have said the 259 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: CHS is, we're the ones watching the uh uh their 260 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 3: domestic terrorist targets. I don't buy that. That's not what 261 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: I consider the police work because you can only trust 262 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 3: a CHS so much. But that's where I always base 263 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: my opinion on that. You know what, I would have 264 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 3: been surprised and there's playing closed ass in the crowd. 265 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 3: But when you start hearing about you know, there's some 266 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: of these people that are out there that are pushing 267 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: them to get into the capital and move on the capital. 268 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 3: I find that very very concerning and if and if 269 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 3: proven to be true. That's you know, that's definitely not 270 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: what they're supposed to be doing, and that is, you know, 271 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 3: contrary to the oath of oath they take. 272 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: I know, you choose your words carefully, not out of cowardice, 273 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: but out of caution. Is it outside the realm that 274 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: could be the. 275 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: Case, outside the realm that some people could be pushing 276 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: pushing the group. Well, when you act and you think 277 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 3: about why why am I denying repeatedly in advance? Why 278 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: am I denied while you know, just to blatant that 279 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: while my officers are under attack, and then I run 280 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: into problems with the with the Pentagon. Finally, once I 281 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: do get approval approving my request, and now we find 282 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: out that there's probably some influence coming from General Millie 283 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 3: on on that the influence on from General Milly onto 284 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 3: Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller that caused him to 285 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: place additional restrictions on the National Guard that no one 286 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 3: knew about. When you start looking at that, you're like, yeah, 287 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: this really, you know, it could make a really interesting 288 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 3: conspiracy theory novel when you look at what was going 289 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: on in that aspect, and you know, really, who who 290 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 3: is you you know, getting the most traction out of 291 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 3: the whole January sixth initiative. You know, we we haven't 292 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: been able to identify the pipe bomber yet, which is 293 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: I find that very interesting, But I mean, you know, 294 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 3: your listeners probably would be surprised. And when I activated 295 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 3: mutual aid, the New Jersey State Police made it before 296 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: the DC National Guard coming down to the decent Guard 297 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 3: had one hundred and fifty five troops within eyesight of 298 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: Capital and they didn't get the until five forty pm 299 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 3: at night, once all the fighting was over. And remember 300 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: I told you well when I called, when I finally 301 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: got in touch with the Pentagon, the Pentagon wanted me 302 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 3: on a conference call. This was brought on two thirty 303 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: four pm. They wanted me on a conference call to 304 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: then find out why I'm requesting National Guard. I think 305 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: that would have been fairly self evident with anybody watching 306 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: this on TV. But I'm on the phone with the 307 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 3: guy man by the name of Lieutenant General Walter Pyot 308 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: also on the phone with me as Mayor Bowser, chief 309 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 3: of Police for the DC Police for Abert Conti, the 310 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 3: Director of Emergency Management for DC. A number of other people, 311 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 3: including a guy that at one point was the Army's 312 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: Acting General Counsel, Colonel Earl Matthews. He has since come 313 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: out as a whistleblower on my behalf. And I told him, 314 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: I said I needed a National Guard support immediately. This 315 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: is a life and death situation. They've now gotten into 316 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: the Capitol. We're battling to keep him out of the capitol. 317 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: And he tells me the exact same thing. Paul Irving 318 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: told I don't like the optic of the National Guards 319 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: standing aligne with cap in the background. I was dumbfound 320 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: I'm hearing the exact same thing. So you know, I'm wondering, 321 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: is there some talking points behind this? I repeatedly, I'm begging. 322 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: I'm almost at tears, and the marriage Mountain said this. 323 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: I was almost at peers, begging him to send me resources. 324 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: And kept hearing this over and over, and he said 325 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: his recommendations to that that I my request. That was 326 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: his first response. Uh, And then I kept pleading with him. 327 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: He said, well, let me run this up the chain, 328 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: and that's when we had the shooting of Ash Babbitt 329 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 3: and I had to get on the phone. 330 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: It's uh, it's so frustrating. I think in many ways. 331 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: I look at what's happened in your career. I think 332 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: of how many officers that day never recovered, and we 333 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: know that some took their own lives. I think how 334 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: many people who went to the Capitol, in my suspicion, 335 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: who did little or nothing and relatively speaking, and ended 336 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: up in prison. I just think of this as a 337 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: horrible as Richard Nixon or as Gerald Ford referred to 338 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: the next administration, it feels like a long national nightmare, 339 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: and it's it's extremely, extremely disturbing. And I believe you 340 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: don't have to and I'm not saying you do or don't. 341 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: I believe that the various forces were at work here 342 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: and a lot of good people doing their jobs, and 343 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: a lot of people, patriots got caught up in it 344 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: and were terribly, terribly affected by you mentioned earlier you 345 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: made reference to, and I hope we'll have time to 346 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: get to that. We will make time in the next segments, 347 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: even Sundays, our guest. He was the Capital City police 348 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: chief on January the Capitol police chief on January sixth, Jackie, 349 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: are you here? Where's Jackson? 350 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: A crash that killed Congresswoman jack Or. 351 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 3: You're last summer. 352 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: You can see it. 353 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: Sun is our guest. He was the police chief, the 354 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: Capital Police on January sixth of twenty twenty one, that 355 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: fateful day, and you made reference chief to getting pulled 356 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: into an office. I wasn't sure exactly, but you said, 357 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: I hope we'll have time to talk about that. And 358 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: I made a little scribble note to go back to 359 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: that so that I do make time for you. So 360 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: go ahead at the floor is yours? 361 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. So you know here we are January, 362 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 3: January sixth. We get everybody back into back in the session. 363 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: The National Guard finally shows up at five forty pm. 364 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 3: We have to swear them in as special police officers. 365 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 3: Once they get off their bus, the fighting is over. 366 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 3: You know, We've got everything done. Everything is secured. I 367 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 3: brought in seventeen law enforcement agencies, seventeen hundred police officers. 368 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: That's all taken care of. What do they do. They 369 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 3: line up with all their ride gear, take a picture 370 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: with the Capitol in the background and put it on 371 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 3: Military Time magazine. I thought you'd just get a kick 372 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 3: out of that. When the Pentagon had said they were 373 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 3: so concerned about the optics and to have that be 374 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 3: the optics that they took away from it. That was interesting. 375 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 3: So the next day we're briefing January seventh. The morning 376 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 3: of January seventh, were briefing members of Congress. Now now 377 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: mind you, that evening I talked to Speaker Pelosi three times. 378 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: First time brought around five thirty five. I'd gone over 379 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: to brief Vice President Pence. We had him at a 380 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 3: secure location on Capitol Hill. He had been calling me 381 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 3: a couple of times asking me to come over and 382 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: brief him. I couldn't leave because you know, I had 383 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 3: to be up in the fan center getting things under control. 384 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: But once we could, I went over to brief him. 385 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 3: When I briefed him of when we can get them 386 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: back into session, he got Speaker Pelosi on a call. 387 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 3: We pretty sure. And this has now all come out, 388 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 3: and you see the film footage that comes out from 389 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 3: her daughter that was with her Speaker Pelosi, which he's saying, 390 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 3: I take responsibility. But and you'll see some of this 391 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 3: that I talked about. And there's a video of me 392 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 3: with Pence and her getting a call from Pence, and 393 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: that's one of the calls. So I talked to him. 394 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 3: I talked her three times. So the next day we're 395 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 3: briefing my oversight with briefing members of Congress about, you know, 396 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: what the plan is moving forward with the plan is 397 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 3: with National Guard support. When I get a call that 398 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 3: Speaker Pelosi on one o'clock in the afternoon is getting 399 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 3: ready to go on national TV and call for my resignation. 400 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: I said, okay. My general counsel and my chief administrative officers, 401 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: you know, said hey, let's go in your office. We'll 402 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 3: watch it there. Gave my wife a little heads up, 403 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 3: went in, watched it, and its about a twenty minute 404 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 3: press conference and it's on YouTube. You can watch. It's 405 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 3: the very end of the press conference. It's a planning question. 406 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 3: Somebody asked, you know, what are you gonna do about 407 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 3: the security figures up on Capitol Hill. She says, that's 408 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 3: a great question. We're going to do an after action study, 409 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 3: which would have been smarter if she'd just stopped there. 410 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: But then she calls me out by name and says, 411 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: I'm calling for the resignation of Chief's son. There was 412 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 3: a failure of leadership at the top, and you know 413 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 3: he has to go. He failed. I'm trying to think 414 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 3: exactly what she said, but you could tell she studies 415 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: over her voice for a little bit. Now, mind you, 416 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: I had caught tried to get National Guard in advance 417 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: on January third and repeatedly on January sixth, and been 418 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 3: denied by her sergeant at arms specifically. And then she 419 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 3: goes on national TV says there's a failure leadership at 420 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: the top of the Capitol police calls me out by name, 421 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 3: then tells the American public and I haven't even called 422 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: her since this curve, which is a lie. Uh, and 423 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: then calls for my resignation. You know, I sat and 424 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 3: talked to my wife. I was having slept for thirty 425 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 3: six hours. I was shell shocked. I said, you know, fine, 426 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 3: I submitted my my letter of resignation with a three 427 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: week transition period in the very that The very next morning, 428 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: I got a call saying you're immediately. I was cut 429 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 3: off from all my computer access uh and was to 430 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: move out of my office immediately. So over that weekend 431 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 3: I actually was moving everything out of my office and 432 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 3: has never stepped back and foot in that office again. 433 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: Nobody has talked to me. Uh, well, very little. I 434 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 3: mean had to go down for a couple of conferences, 435 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 3: but yeah, it wasn't getting didn't get access to any investigation, 436 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: nothing like that. So so I agree there was there 437 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: was a number of key people in that crowd that 438 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 3: I think were problematic. But I think a lot of 439 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 3: those people in that crowd were what I call strap hangers, 440 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 3: people that just kind of followed the along, looked at 441 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 3: the crowd, went in, didn't do anything, didnt assault the 442 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: officers at all, you know that. I think, you know, 443 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: it's a shame how some of these people got treated. 444 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 3: I've been in policing for a long time. I've never 445 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: seen that type of levels of sentencing handed down, even 446 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 3: for APO assault on police officer. So I was kind 447 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: of surprised by that. But you know, to be to 448 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 3: be stripped away from an agency, I loved when I 449 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: try to prevent that. Now Congress has come out if 450 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 3: you look at some of the recent hearings and reports, 451 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 3: Congress has said if the Sergeant at Arms had approved 452 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: Stun's request for dashboard support on January third, chances are 453 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 3: the capital have never been breached. And then in December seventeenth, 454 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, under Chairman Very Louder Route their last 455 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 3: report that they did. Now that I think that the 456 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: committee's coming back again. Their last report exonerates me by name. 457 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 3: But I'm still fighting to get the retirement. My retirement 458 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 3: was stripped, all you know, all benefits, everything like that 459 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 3: was he stripped. Yeah, oh yeah, yep, yeah I was. 460 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 3: I was only a few months away from me and 461 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 3: totally totally vested. And I do believe if the facts 462 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: have been known, I may even still be there today. 463 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 3: Who knows, but yeah, they so they exonerated me December seventeenth, 464 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. I'm one of maybe a handful of 465 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 3: people in history that Congress has exonerated by name, which 466 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 3: is which is interesting. But I'm still working with the committee, 467 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 3: still working with the chairman Laudermilk, you know, working to 468 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: get some executive branch support to have them look at 469 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: my case. Didn't see about you know, returning whatever benefits 470 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 3: may be stripped from me. 471 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 2: How many years in law enforcement. 472 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 3: A total of thirty years in law enforcement. I did 473 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 3: retire from DC Police. I did get my retirement from 474 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: DC Police. But for me, it's it's now just a 475 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 3: it's not the federal retirement's not anything big. But for me, 476 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 3: it's the principle it is. It's the fact that you know, 477 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: I tried to stop this. I tried to stop it repeatedly, 478 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: was repeatedly denied. And this all you know I've got. 479 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: I've turned over all my phone records, my transcripts, my emails, 480 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 3: they have everything. And I just find that that interesting 481 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 3: that you know I'm the one targeted. But you know, well, 482 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: we'll fight. I know. The truth is, the truth is 483 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 3: coming out, and as more the truth comes out, the 484 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 3: better it looks for me. 485 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: Lives are destroyed in this manner. You're not going to 486 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 2: allow your life to be destroyed because you are a 487 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 2: survivor and a prevailer, but lesser men would be. And 488 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: I think it's very important to see, you know, chiefs Son, 489 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: I always counsel doing what I do. I am approached 490 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: with a lot of what will be called conspiracy theories, 491 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: and that is, you know, sometimes slapping a pejorative tag 492 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: on a on a theory that might very well have 493 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: otherwise been legitimate. So I have come to learn and 494 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: I counsel this often. You have to be careful that 495 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: you don't believe every conspiracy theory that is offered just 496 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: because you're prone to believing and inclined and biased and 497 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 2: prejudice toward conspiracy theories. However, the parallel to that is, 498 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: you have to be careful if you refuse to believe 499 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: anything called a conspiracy theory, or you'll end up eighteen 500 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 2: shots into Joe Biden's protocol and Fauci's laughing at your funeral. 501 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: So I think there is somewhere in between where you 502 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: have a more temperate, measured approach to news of the day. 503 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: But several of the things that you describe strike me 504 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: as so outside the chain of command, so outside traditional 505 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: policing principles, particularly as it relates to a highly political environment. 506 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: And I realize that you know much more and could 507 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: say much more damning things, and I respect the fact 508 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: that you're holding that tight that would be in your defense. 509 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: But these are things that I think every America needs 510 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: to know, and that the Liz Cheney Show trial and 511 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: all of that which they didn't allow you to speak to. 512 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: You know, I consider this to be a major calamity, 513 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: a major disaster in American life that needs to be 514 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: explored to extremely great extent. Chief, if you can hold 515 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: with me for one more segment, having they remain scared 516 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: the death of you, and they remain scared to death 517 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 2: of Trump. 518 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: To Michael Show, You're not going anywhere even if Trump does. 519 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 2: You're not even sunned. Is our guest, s und If 520 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: you'd like to look him up. He's he's written a 521 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: book about all this. We'll talk about that in just 522 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: a moment. He's the former police chief of the Capitol Police. 523 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 2: On January sixth, twenty twenty one, Nancy Pelosi went after 524 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: him and basically destroyed his career. As it were, Chief 525 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: souned you. You had a lot of guys. How big 526 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: is the Capitol Police Force? 527 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 3: Capitol Police Force? And when I was there, a lot 528 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 3: of people are kind of surprised by It's one nine 529 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty three officers with a budget of about 530 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,239 Speaker 3: four hundred and sixty three million dollars. It comes out 531 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 3: to me about the twenty fifth department in the country. 532 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: My sons both I have a son who's a senior 533 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: in high school and a son who's now a sophomore 534 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: in college, and they interned for Congressman this summer. And 535 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: I had worked for law firm in DC thirty years ago, 536 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: so it was fun for me and my wife to 537 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: get to go back and spend some time there and 538 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 2: meet them for lunch and walk around the capitol and 539 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: do the tours and all that. We hadn't done that 540 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: in a long time. And I mean it's significant. People 541 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: don't realize it is. As you said, it would be 542 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 2: about the twenty fifth largest police force in the country, 543 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: and there are real security concerns and you know, somebody 544 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: could argue that's too many or whatever else there are. 545 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: It's a spread out area. You have kind of the boulevards, 546 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 2: the way that the boulevards, the esplanade style, big grand 547 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 2: European boulevard that's hard to police. There's a lot that 548 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: goes into this. But I want to go back to 549 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: January sixth and the officers there. There were officers who 550 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 2: died and one the claim was he was hit by 551 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: blunt force object. And my understanding is whether he was 552 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: or he wasn't. His family said he did not die 553 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 2: from blunt force trauma. But that you had a number 554 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: of officers who committed suicide. They took their own life. 555 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: Their lives were not taken by the protesters. Can you 556 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: speak to that. 557 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely. You've got again, a lot of different questions there. 558 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 3: So technically there was one officer whose death was a 559 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 3: they went back and said it's what they call immediately 560 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: a line of duty death. That was officer Brian sick Nick. 561 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 3: He was one of the officers I was in Walt 562 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 3: someon of the fighting on the West Front. He had 563 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 3: been sprayed with pepper spray. At one point the media 564 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: had said he had been hit with the fire extinguisher, 565 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 3: which didn't turn out to be true. I actually know 566 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 3: the DC Police officer that got hit by that but 567 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 3: ended up later on that night at about probably close 568 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 3: to ten o'clock, maybe at between nine and ten, was 569 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: walking with a group of officers. We now have the 570 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 3: Capital under control. We've got a bunch officers on the perimeter, 571 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 3: insides under control. He's now walking with a couple of 572 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 3: Capitol Police officers and a Virginia State trooper who happens 573 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 3: to be a medic to go get a PI T. 574 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 3: He's walking along and he just drops and the medic 575 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: immediately went to work on him. And I had a 576 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: chance to talk to the medic. He said, you know, 577 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 3: as soon as he hit the ground, there was like, 578 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 3: you know, he was completely unconscious. He went over to 579 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 3: a GW hospital where they identified that he had what 580 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 3: appeared to be some type of a neurological issue at 581 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 3: the base of his brain stem with no brain activity, 582 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: and then ultimately passed away the very next day. That's 583 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 3: the case I think you're talking about. The autopsy by 584 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: the DC medical examiner was concluded, and they concluded in 585 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 3: the autopsy that he passed away with what they said 586 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 3: were natural causes and he had a double stroke at 587 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 3: the base of his brain stem. Later on the the 588 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 3: same medical examiner and a press conference had stated that 589 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 3: the actually the activities of the day contributed to his 590 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 3: medical condition. So it wasn't in the in the writing, 591 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 3: but you know that that was enough if you have 592 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 3: somebody that's on duty and then I'm just saying this 593 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 3: from a law enforcement management or leadership point of view. 594 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: If you have somebody that's on duty uh in conducting 595 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: their their line of duty and dies, that's going to 596 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: be a line of duty death. And this was a 597 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 3: line of duty death. So that was a situation with 598 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 3: Brian sick Nick. Then what you had is on that Saturday, 599 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: which would have been the ninth, January ninth, you had 600 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 3: the first of a series of suicides. First by the 601 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 3: name of Howard leaving Good. He was a US Capitol 602 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 3: police officer, lived out in Fairface County, committed suicide. I 603 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 3: was in moving all the stuff out of my office 604 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: when my watchmanager came in and passed on that that 605 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 3: news to me. Uh. The person who was acting, who 606 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 3: they made acting chief, and that's the whole story in itself, 607 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 3: was at home and I had to call her and 608 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: tell her, you know, the the news and tell her 609 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 3: to come on in because, uh, you know, we got 610 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: a lot to do. But yeah, So so his suicide ultimately, 611 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 3: after a lot of back and forth, was made a 612 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 3: line of duty death. My my, my thought is, you know, 613 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 3: with with many lines different lines of work, especially in 614 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: law enforcement, you're exposed to a lot of different trauma 615 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 3: you go through, you know, a lot of different issues. 616 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 3: There's a lot of PTSD uh in law enforcement. But 617 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 3: we've really fought hard, uh to make sure that officers 618 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 3: know that there's there's options. You know, these officers walk around, 619 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 3: they've got a gun on their hip, uh, you know, 620 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 3: whenever they're on duty to carry it home with them. Uh. 621 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: They have other options than to than to turn and 622 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 3: consider suicide. Now you know it's it's okay to get counseling, 623 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: and you know a lot of agencies and white counseling 624 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 3: available to the officers. I get concerned that, you know, 625 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 3: it's it's always it's rare that they'll ever make a 626 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: suicide line of duty death. And I just hate to 627 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 3: think that, you know, there's other people that think, Okay, 628 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: now we've had his suicide declared line of duty. Jeff Smith, 629 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 3: who is with DC Police, committed suicide. I want to say, 630 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 3: apprised me ten days later on like January nineteenth. If 631 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 3: I have my dates right, I think I'm pretty close. 632 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: But it's been a couple of years committed suicide. His 633 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 3: was also determined to be a line of duty death. 634 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 3: I get concerned that, you know, when when you do that, 635 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 3: I don't want to give officers the impression that you know, hey, 636 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: if I've had really a couple of traumatic experiences and 637 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 3: you know, things aren't going well for me, this is 638 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 3: an option for my family get you know, full full 639 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 3: benefits in a lot of duty death funeral. It just 640 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 3: raised for me. It raised concerns when they go through 641 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 3: that that you know, this may be an option for him, 642 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 3: So you know, I want any any officers listening that 643 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: you know this isn't isn't a course of action that 644 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: you really want to take. You know, consider the counseling, 645 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: consider what other options are to you, and you know, 646 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 3: don't don't turn toward your service well and anything like 647 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 3: that to solve problems. 648 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: It's unfortunate that an individual is in a position where 649 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: that does make sense to them, and it's a good 650 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 2: reminder of how difficult this job is and why it 651 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 2: is deserving of respect. Steven Son, is there anything we 652 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: did not get to? I got about a minute that 653 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: you wanted to offer up before we close. 654 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate you mentioning the book. My intention was 655 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 3: to never write a book. You always hear about these 656 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 3: people writing books. I'm sitting at the desk where when 657 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 3: I was forced to leave. I sat down and I 658 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 3: started just writing every note I've done, after action reports, 659 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 3: over and over and over again, and started putting this together. 660 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: And at first of my wife was like, be sure 661 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 3: this is what you want to do, because I was 662 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 3: reliaving this for fourteen hours a day every day, and 663 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 3: then when it all started coming together, you wouldn't believe 664 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 3: what was going on with the intelligence, with the with 665 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 3: the FBI, with you know, I was putting together a 666 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 3: briefing beforehand, and what was being told me that it's 667 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 3: just when you look at it, it just got so 668 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,719 Speaker 3: care and it didn't have to be like that. I 669 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: still believe January sixth could have been prevented if they 670 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 3: wanted they had listen to me. But if so many 671 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 3: people had just done their job the way they're supposed to, 672 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: we wouldn't be here talking right now. So I ended 673 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 3: up putting it together. It's now been referred to on 674 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 3: Capitol Hill as the Tentative after Action of January sixth. 675 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 3: If your readers are interested, it's on Amazon. Get the paperback. 676 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 3: The paperback has the most up to date information, But 677 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 3: I think they'll find it shocking. It's the exoneration I got. 678 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 3: Some Congress isn't even in there because it happens since 679 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: the last edition. So I'm sure that'll be updated. But 680 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: you know, January sixth Committee under Berylaudermuk's coming back. You know, 681 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 3: they may invite me down to testify. I'm more than 682 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 3: happy to testify. That'll be probably the third time I've 683 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 3: been down to testify. One time the Sllely Committee wouldn't 684 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 3: let me testify in public. But you're gonna hear a 685 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 3: little you know, you'll read a little bit about the 686 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 3: Slight Committee and some of the issues they had. But no, 687 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 3: I appreciate you mention it. I appreciate your interest in 688 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 3: the in the story. There's still a lot more there. 689 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: Thank you for your service. Good surface, Steven Sun capitalist 690 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: Capitol Police chief in genders as exemplemant Elms had its. 691 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 3: Life for building. Thank you and good night.