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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Ross Tucker. You might know him as Rod Tucker. He

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Speaker 2: is a of course, host of the Ross Tucker Football podcast,

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Speaker 2: following him on social media at Ross Tucker NFL. Good morning, Ross,

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: So. First of all, I was with my daughters.

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Speaker 4: They have a two hour delay because it's raining, so

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Speaker 4: I don't know where the Rod Tucker is coming from. Secondly,

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Speaker 4: I guarantee it'd be more fun to watch a football

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Speaker 4: game with me than to watch soccer with Roger or

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Speaker 4: basketball with Redy.

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Speaker 3: I get.

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Speaker 4: I get Reggie was a much better player than I was.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure Roger Bennett is like.

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Speaker 4: Very I promise everybody listening or watching you would have

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Speaker 4: an amazing time watching a football game with me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe we arrange that. Maybe we have a contest

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Speaker 2: watch football with Rod Tucker Seaton. I guess labeled you incorrectly.

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Speaker 2: I just had a typo in what I was looking

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Speaker 2: at and it, for some reason, Rod Tucker instead of

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Speaker 2: Ross really cracked me up. So I just mentioned it.

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Speaker 2: But it's really nothing deeper than me making a typo.

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Speaker 2: But it was R O D D.

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Speaker 1: So not just.

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Speaker 2: Like Todd it's Rod Tucker.

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Speaker 4: I thought maybe it was. You got a chance to

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Speaker 4: watch a fo me and Fritzy together, and it was like,

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Speaker 4: you know, j Lo Benefer or whatever, where Fritzie and

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Speaker 4: I were a combo package.

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Speaker 2: I've watched a game with Fritzy that was not fun,

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Speaker 2: especially if it's the Broncos. I mean, that's the only

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Speaker 2: reason to watch. Now. You and Shyean Irving would be

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Speaker 2: interesting watching a game together, maybe the Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: I picture Fritzy just being a nervous nelly negative the

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Speaker 4: whole game.

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Speaker 3: That does not sound like it'd be fun at all.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't. I've watched a super Bowl with him, I've

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Speaker 2: watched regular season games with him, and it's He's a mess.

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Speaker 2: He's a mess. Yeah, Okay, Were you invited to the

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Speaker 2: Combine after your illustorious career at Princeton.

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Speaker 3: No, not even close.

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Speaker 4: Not even I wasn't even on like the the Combine

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Speaker 4: Combine snub list, which is fine because I stunk at

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Speaker 4: all those drills for the most part. Anyway, it wouldn't

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Speaker 4: help my stock, would only have hurt me. Although I've

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Speaker 4: might have been able to persuade some of the gms

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Speaker 4: if I got some of those interviews that would have

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Speaker 4: been my best part.

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Speaker 2: But you did a pro day I did.

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Speaker 3: I went to Rutgers.

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Speaker 4: I did a pro day two months after I had

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Speaker 4: had hernia surgery, sports hernia cor muscle, whatever they call it.

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Speaker 4: My numbers wouldn't have been that good anyway, Dan, but

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Speaker 4: my agent felt like I needed to prove I was healthy.

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Speaker 4: Here's all I need to know about my numbers. At

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Speaker 4: the Rutgers Pro before it started, there's like sixteen NFL

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Speaker 4: teams there. I introduced myself to the scout from the Eagles.

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Speaker 4: I tell him, Hey, I'm from reading outside of Philly,

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Speaker 4: grew up a huge Eagles fan. We'd go to training camp,

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Speaker 4: you know, go to Princeton, and he's like, okay, because

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Speaker 4: it's nice to have a local flavor sometimes with undrafted

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Speaker 4: free agents. So we have a really good conversation. My

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Speaker 4: pro day goes so poorly that afterwards he won't even

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Speaker 4: make eye contact with me, and he got out of

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Speaker 4: the Rutgers bubble as fast as he can. And the

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Speaker 4: Eagle I played for almost every team. The Eagles never

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Speaker 4: had one iota of interest in me whatsoever. That's how

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Speaker 4: bad my pro day was.

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Speaker 2: The arm length topic that's now superseded the hand size.

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Speaker 2: How important is arm length here?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so this is exciting because you're talking to one

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Speaker 4: of the world's foremost experts in this and we had

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Speaker 4: breaking news at the combine. For the first time ever,

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Speaker 4: someone my height or taller has shorter arms than me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, hold on, there we go breaking news for.

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Speaker 4: The first time. Carson Beck, Dan, I was six four

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Speaker 4: and five eighths and my arm length is thirty and

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Speaker 4: six eighths right, thirty and three quarters horrendously bad. So

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Speaker 4: I no longer introduced myself as a seven year journeyman

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Speaker 4: offensive lineman. I'm now one of the ten best NFL

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Speaker 4: offensive lineman of all time with sub thirty one inch arms.

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Speaker 4: Carson Beck was sixty four and three quarters and his

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Speaker 4: arm length was thirty and five eighths of an inch.

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Speaker 4: Carson bec first person and I didn't realize this, Like

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Speaker 4: in high school, we're going back. If I just had

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Speaker 4: normal arms, Dan, like thirty three inch arms, I would

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Speaker 4: have been dunking in high school basketball.

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Speaker 3: I would have gotten more girls. It would have been incredible.

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Speaker 3: If I just had normal arms.

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Speaker 2: If a Carson beckxer quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Exactly which it means it doesn't matter at all. Listen,

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Speaker 4: it's not the be all end all. It definitely helps,

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Speaker 4: just like your reach helps if you're a boxer. But

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Speaker 4: remember Mike Tyson still found a way to knock out

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Speaker 4: a lot of guys that had a longer reach than him.

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Speaker 4: So you have to combat it. So I had super

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Speaker 4: short arms, what would I do? I attacked immediately. I

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Speaker 4: would call it's called jump setting, where as soon as

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Speaker 4: the ball is snapped, I would use the initial quickness

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Speaker 3: Because if I wait.

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Speaker 4: On them Dan and you go against like Richard Seymour

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Speaker 3: They put it right in my chest. I had no shot.

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Speaker 3: I was like a like, I mean like this, like

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Speaker 3: it was very difficult.

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Speaker 4: So it's not an it's not a need to have,

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Speaker 4: but it's really nice, and I'm very curious to know

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Speaker 4: what my career would have been like or you know,

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Speaker 4: if I just like, just give me thirty two inch arms,

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Speaker 4: just give me like even below average would be fine.

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Speaker 4: But you know, it's very hard to play professional football.

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Speaker 4: If you're a male version of a t Rex, okay out.

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Speaker 2: There, would you rather face Miles Garrett or Aaron Donald.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Donald.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Aaron's incredible, but he doesn't have the

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Speaker 4: length element that Miles also has. And if I'm going

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Speaker 4: against Miles, there's a lot of space. Space is not

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Speaker 4: my friend. With Aaron, I can at least try to

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Speaker 4: jump them, try to get on them quickly and give

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Speaker 4: myself the best chance. I was pretty decent against Power.

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Speaker 4: It was more of the movement.

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Speaker 3: Stuff that really would would would give me problems.

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Speaker 2: He's Ross Tucker CBS Sports Westwood One analyst and a

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Speaker 2: host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. Let's look at

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Speaker 2: the quarterbacking situations here. Where do you want to start?

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Speaker 2: Which team do you think you have a better handle

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Speaker 2: on what they're going to do here in the next

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Speaker 3: I actually want to start with a player.

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Speaker 4: And I think this is fascinating because I on today's

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Speaker 4: Ross Tucker Football podcast had Greg Rosenthal. He went over

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Speaker 4: his free agent rankings from the NFL dot Com. His

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Speaker 4: number one rank free agent Dan Malik Willis. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: I know Chris Simms. I've heard Chris on your show

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Speaker 4: talk about Malik Willis. Here's what's fascinating, though I don't

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Speaker 4: really think people want to trade for Kyler Murray or

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Speaker 4: to a Toungo Violoa and we know Cousin's gonna get released.

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Speaker 4: Those guys might get released, but they have a lot

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Speaker 4: of guaranteed money left.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? That means these teams.

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Speaker 4: Might be able to get Kyler or Tua potentially for

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Speaker 4: the minimum, for the minimum. Two has fifty four million guaranteed.

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Speaker 4: You can get him for the minimum? Are you doing that?

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Speaker 4: Or are you paying Malik.

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Speaker 3: Willis who hasn't played that much.

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Speaker 4: Football twenty five to thirty million dollars a year and

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Speaker 4: committing to him on some level? Dan, you're gonna get

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Speaker 4: a competent starting quarterback like to and maybe Kyler on

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Speaker 4: the very very cheap as opposed to a guy Malik

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Speaker 4: Willis who flamed out who he's gonna be a free

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Speaker 4: agent and there's gonna be multiple suitors because he looked

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Speaker 4: good in the three.

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Speaker 3: Games wherever he played last year.

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Speaker 4: The financial element of this is really really fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the Dolphins are going to be on the

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Speaker 2: Murray and Tua are going to make or still owed.

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Speaker 4: Well, so what they're going to try to do is

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Speaker 4: get anything in return, whether that's a draft choice, and

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Speaker 4: or get another team to pick up some of their contract.

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Speaker 4: So that's what all the negotiating is, you know.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's like Denver eating the Russell Wilson contract.

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Speaker 4: Well, that could be the case for both Arizona and Miami.

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Speaker 4: Or maybe there's so much money there that they have

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Speaker 4: to give up a draft choice to get someone to

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Speaker 4: eat half of it, right, Like, Okay, we'll give two

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Speaker 4: a twenty, you give them thirty, and we'll give you

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Speaker 4: a seventh round pick or whatever it is. I'm just

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Speaker 4: making this up, but the Dolphins might have to give

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Speaker 4: someone moneyball, if you will. Dan might have to give

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Speaker 4: someone a draft pick to get them to take some

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Speaker 4: of Tua's financial burden off of the Dolphins. They'd rather

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Speaker 4: do that probably than just outright release them.

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Speaker 2: A source was telling me yesterday we were kind of

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Speaker 2: going over the musical chairs with quarterbacks, and he brought up,

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Speaker 2: do you think the Jets being on the clock with

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Speaker 2: the second pick overall was enough of a deterrent that

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Speaker 2: Trinidad Shambliss goes back to old miss and Dante Moore

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Speaker 2: stays at Oregon. Do you think that that could have

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Speaker 2: factored in at all for these quarterbacks to say I

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Speaker 2: could come out, but that's not where I want to go.

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Speaker 4: Well, a lot of people were saying that about the

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Speaker 4: New York Jets, and I can't tell you how strongly

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Speaker 4: I disagree with that being part of the discussion. You

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Speaker 4: have a chance to be the number two overall pick

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Speaker 4: in the NFL draft, and I know you can say

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Speaker 4: the Jets aren't a great organization or whatever. Ask Drew

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Speaker 4: Aller from Penn State. Ask Garrett Nufsmeyer from LSU. Ask

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Speaker 4: some of these guys who are now just hoping to

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Speaker 4: saying maybe last day would have been first round picks,

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Speaker 4: round picks. So we'll hear all this stuff about Dante

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Speaker 4: Moore and Arch Manning and Chambliss, and listen, they can't

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Speaker 4: all go one or two next year. Dan and people

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Speaker 4: this notion that you want to avoid the Jets. First

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Speaker 4: of all, it's a little bit disrespectful to their new regime. Secondly,

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Speaker 4: what organization do you think is picking one, two, or

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Speaker 4: three next year that you think is so great that

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Speaker 4: you're gonna avoid that. That is the worst logic. And

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Speaker 4: they're all they make plenty of money. Yeah, you're gonna

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Speaker 4: tell me five million dollars of nil is worth turning

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Speaker 4: down fifty million dollars fully guaranteed.

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Speaker 3: If you know you're going to.

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Speaker 4: Be a top five pick in the NFL draft, you

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Speaker 4: have to go from a business standpoint.

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Speaker 3: If you love college and Oregon.

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Speaker 4: If you think you need more time to develop, we

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Speaker 4: can have that conversation from a strictly business perspective. I

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Speaker 4: think it's asinine to think that someone would return to

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Speaker 2: Once again, it was just a thought that was brought

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, And I believe you, Dan, but I've

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Speaker 4: seen many people talking about that over the last few

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Speaker 4: weeks on social media, including people I respect. By the way,

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Speaker 2: That's why you went to Princeton.

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Speaker 3: I thanks, I always I have the jacket to where.

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Speaker 2: Got a book in the mail the other day. Realized

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Speaker 2: it was from Roger Bennett. I said, Fritzy, we got

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Speaker 7: Great to have you back, Oh Damn Patrick, It's a

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Speaker 2: How are you? How's morale?

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Speaker 7: I'm alive, Dan, which is better than the other option,

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Speaker 7: Well, you know time is money, Dan, and you know

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Speaker 7: I think what Whitman if he was alive today'd be

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Speaker 7: they we're trying to explain how much a Christian politics

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Speaker 7: signed jersey should be and that the porn shop owner goes, oh,

439
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Speaker 7: dude's like the Lebron James of soccer, So that's kind

440
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Speaker 7: of cursed him. And he is the commercial face. You'll

441
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Speaker 7: see him in every ad. The ones said David Beckham

442
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Speaker 7: is going to be all over our World Cup. But

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Speaker 7: given the choice, does he want to do it? The

444
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Speaker 7: honest truth is he's made it very clear he doesn't.

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Speaker 7: He loves playing football. It's where he speaks. I mean,

446
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Speaker 7: you know, athletes like this in the NBA, in the NFL,

447
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 7: they like to do their talking on the court. That's

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Speaker 7: who Christian Politic is in his heart.

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Speaker 2: And so Politic reminds me of Mike Trout from the Angels,

450
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Speaker 2: Mike Trout. Now it's like we're waiting for him to

451
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Speaker 2: show his personality. He's not going to, Hey, you got

452
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Speaker 2: to be the face of the sport. It's not happening here.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, Western McKinney might be the guy

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Speaker 2: that people focus on, and all right, that guy, you know,

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Speaker 2: he wants to be maybe a little bit more.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean Chris Richards who plays in the Crystal

457
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Speaker 7: Palace in the Premier League, this child of Birmingham Alabama

458
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Speaker 7: who has made it to the Premier League.

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Speaker 2: Dominating You have not really acknowledged.

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Speaker 7: I'm bloody blown away, Dan in your ar Can I

461
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Speaker 7: just say, I mean you I tell a story in

462
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Speaker 7: the book about how I started to do Morning Joe

463
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Speaker 7: in twenty ten, way ahead of football really taking off here.

464
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Speaker 7: Joe Scott would just loved the Premier League would have

465
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Speaker 7: me on. It was crazy, like they'd be doing like stagflation,

466
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Speaker 7: the recession in the economy with Mike Bloomberg, and then

467
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Speaker 7: they'd be like, and here's Roger Bennett and they'd be like, yo,

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Speaker 7: so I drop in. And the second time I was on,

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Speaker 7: Tom Brokas stopped me and goes, yo yo, Yo, yo

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Speaker 7: yo and said what Tom? And he goes, why are

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Speaker 7: we talking about soccer on morning? And when we have

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Speaker 7: baseball and young Americans love baseball and we should be

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Speaker 7: talking about baseball, And he went off on me for

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Speaker 7: five minutes. I didn't get a word in, but in

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Speaker 7: my own head, I was like, I can't interrupt Tom Broker.

476
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Speaker 7: It's like the queen, you don't interrupt the game. And

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Speaker 7: he just he danced on my graves, you know, spat

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Speaker 7: me out, and I walked off set without getting worded.

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00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 7: I felt like that big and they said come on

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Speaker 7: next week, Roger. I was like, really you want me on?

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Speaker 7: After that, managed just emasculating me, and every time for

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Speaker 7: two years, every time he was on set, I'd be like,

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Speaker 7: get broke. Off and wheel they'd wheel broke our off,

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Speaker 7: They'd wheel him off, off you go, Grandpa. And then

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Speaker 7: two years on they had him on and I was like,

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Speaker 7: get broke off, You've got to go on. Going live

487
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 7: three two to one and I started. I was like,

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Speaker 7: you know, Manchester and broke onn goes whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 3: I was like, what broke off?

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Speaker 6: What do you want?

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Speaker 7: Man?

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Speaker 1: And I used to heat socer.

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Speaker 7: I was like, I know you scarred me for several years, Tom,

494
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Speaker 7: and he was now every Christmas I go with my

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Speaker 7: son in laws to England to watch four or five

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Speaker 7: Premier League games and we fly coach. And I realized,

497
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Speaker 7: when we've got Tom Brew in our football camp. Tomorrow

498
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Speaker 7: night in Houston, we're doing a live show with JJ Watt,

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Speaker 7: you know that child of Wisconsin who grew up play

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Speaker 7: hockey in gridiron football. When we've got Browkaw and we've

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Speaker 7: got JJ Watt and we've got Dan Patrick dropping names,

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Speaker 7: I think we've kind of made.

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Speaker 3: Is this the moment football makes.

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Speaker 2: It in Americas? So Roger Bennett, the founder CEO of

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Speaker 2: Men and Blazers Media Network, and his book released today,

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Speaker 2: We Are the World Cup, A Personal History of the

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Speaker 2: world's greatest supporting of them. But you bring up an

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Speaker 2: interesting point of you're building a brand in a country soccer,

509
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Speaker 2: men's soccer trying to build a brand in the same

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Speaker 2: country here, and the challenges of being able to do that.

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Speaker 2: It feels like you've been more successful than maybe the

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Speaker 2: US men's team has in building that brand.

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Speaker 7: Why it's the story of my lifetime is coming over here.

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Speaker 7: Nineteen ninety four, the last time the Men's World Cup

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Speaker 7: was here. Going into the World Cup, there was a

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Speaker 7: study release tell this story in the book where they

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Speaker 7: said soccer is the sixty seventh most populist sport in America.

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Speaker 7: Tractor pulling is sixty six. Again, everyone's taking a dump

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Speaker 7: on soccer. They were like doom, saying, like this is

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Speaker 7: going to be a disaster. No one's going to go

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Speaker 7: to the games. I went to the game in Chicago.

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Speaker 7: I didn't have any money for a ticket, just to

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Speaker 7: mill around in case no one turned up, to try

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Speaker 7: and look like a third cousin at a wedding, just

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Speaker 7: like to make the background in the photos kind of

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Speaker 7: feel a little live.

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Speaker 2: It was mobbed.

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Speaker 7: Americans love a circus. They love an excuse to daytime drink.

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Speaker 7: Still the best attended World Cup ever. It will be broken,

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Speaker 7: please God, this summer. And it was meant to make

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Speaker 7: America a football loving nation ninety four. Like Space to

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Speaker 7: Captain Kirk, the Final Frontier was what the US was.

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Speaker 2: But it didn't.

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Speaker 7: It didn't happen overnight. Instead, it's happened organically, authentically, instead

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Speaker 7: of it of soccer becoming like a yo yo or

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Speaker 7: a hula hoop, like an overnight sensation of fad. The

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Speaker 7: roots have really deeply, beautifully the story of my life, Dan,

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Speaker 7: watching young Americans, our audience, you know, eighteen to twenty

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Speaker 7: four fall in love with soccer, men's soccer, women's soccer.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's an enormous Hispanic audience in the United States,

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Speaker 7: and Americans love the best. You're drawn to the best,

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Speaker 7: the NFL best in the world, sorry, Canadian Football League,

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Speaker 7: the NBA best.

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Speaker 2: In the world.

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Speaker 7: And the complicated thing for soccer, Dan is that the

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Speaker 7: best in the world is played in England, the Premier League,

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Speaker 7: and ultimately that's where the audience has really been captivated.

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Speaker 7: With the rise of streaming, the rise of cable being

549
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Speaker 7: able to see games live every week, follow along via

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Speaker 7: the Internet, that changed everything allowed young Americans to connect

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Speaker 7: to these teams from Los Angeles as if they were

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Speaker 7: in Liverpool. And that's what's kind of driven the connection.

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Speaker 7: What's amazing is that, you know, young Americans have now

554
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Speaker 7: fallen in love. Young Americans like Tom brokof, I've fallen

555
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Speaker 7: in love with the sport. What's amazing is and is

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Speaker 7: not discussed enough. The Premier League is now owned majority

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Speaker 7: by Americans, the most you know, over half the teams

558
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Speaker 7: have American amen. It's not just the Red Sox, Tom Werner,

559
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Speaker 7: John Henry running Liverpool, the Dodgers, Todd Burley and his

560
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Speaker 7: group running Chelsea, Manchester United, the Buccaneers group, the Glazers

561
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Speaker 7: for good or for bad and so on and so on.

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Speaker 7: It's incredible. Like, you know, America, we are essentially, after

563
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Speaker 7: this World Cup going to be taking football again. It's

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Speaker 7: complicated for good and for bad into the American age,

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Speaker 7: which is which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Give me the best case scenario for this United States team?

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Speaker 7: Oh, Dan, I mean football, If it's not about optimism

568
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 7: and hope and delusion, then I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 3: And I do.

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Speaker 7: I dream of these boys. You know, Tyler Adams, this

571
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Speaker 7: young guy from Wapping, just Falls, New York, who drove

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Speaker 7: six hours every day for five days a week for

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Speaker 7: seven years to train in New York City. I mean

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Speaker 7: the sacrifice that dreams the hunger I dream for them,

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Speaker 7: I really do.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 7: The bottom line is it's crazy. Our women kick ass

578
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 7: and take names or men in this nation where we

579
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Speaker 7: put a man on the moon, we invented the kroner,

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Speaker 7: amongst other things. We've won one bloody knockout game in

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Speaker 7: the you know, going back to George Washington in.

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Speaker 2: The World Cup.

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Speaker 7: That's crazy. Morocco got into the semi final with joy

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Speaker 7: and verve and audacity. We've won one knockout game in

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Speaker 7: our nation's history.

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Speaker 2: You need to know what is the best case scenario?

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Speaker 7: What am I going to say? We're gonna win it

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Speaker 7: all every night. That's the best case scenario that could happen.

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Speaker 7: I will take that bet on the from you, Dan,

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Speaker 7: if you believe that hoop it happens once in my lifetime. Dan,

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Speaker 7: that's I don't ask for much, man, I don't ask

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Speaker 7: so much.

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Speaker 2: Look sweater England one.

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Speaker 7: Oh, they'll be unbearable, won't they unbearable? England win America?

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Speaker 7: Get ready for the sight of growing men bending over

596
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 7: and all I can say firing fireworks out of cavities.

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Speaker 7: You did not know it was possible to It's crazy, man,

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Speaker 7: You just asked me the equivalent of what if Charlie

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00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 7: Brown can kick? Can kick a field goal with Lucy holding?

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Speaker 7: I mean England loses in England's self sabotage is England

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Speaker 7: creates trauma. That's what England does, England winning.

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Speaker 2: Anybody better at losing than England?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Why did the Chicago White Sox just pop into my

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Speaker 7: head and you cause me pain?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 7: No, I mean I have above my head. I have

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Speaker 7: a book which is a biography of English World Cup campaign.

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Speaker 2: The Tracy Chapman album Over your Shoulder.

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Speaker 7: Oh, Tracy, come on my show. You're the one guest

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Speaker 7: we've never had. She was a soccer player at Tough's

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Speaker 7: three goals to assist.

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Speaker 2: Just come on.

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Speaker 7: No, you know I have that on there is because

615
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 7: when my team, I support Everton, we're very bad at football.

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Speaker 7: When we lose, which is often, I put Tracy Chapman

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Speaker 7: Fastcar on and I realized the agony I'm feeling is

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Speaker 7: nothing compared to the pain that Tracy is in the

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Speaker 7: in the epigraph of my book, there's a I used

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Speaker 7: the line from the Uruguayan poet Eduardo Galiano, who said

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Speaker 7: football is a pleasure that hurts and so England. They

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Speaker 7: hurt the nation. They raise their hopes, they shatter them.

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Speaker 7: The book I have about my head is called forty

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Speaker 7: Years of Shite? Am I allowed to say that on

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Speaker 7: which is just kind of captures up. I support America

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Speaker 7: now anyway, baby, So I honestly don't care.

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Speaker 2: He's Roger Bennett, founder CEO of Men and Blazers Media

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Speaker 2: Network and the book released today. We're one hundred days out.

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Speaker 2: We Are the World Cup, a personal history of the

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Speaker 2: world's greatest supporting event. Pleasure to talk to you again.

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Speaker 7: Good luck with the book, Danny, Thanks for having I

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Speaker 7: love you, I love your team.

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Speaker 3: It's really a joy to view with you.

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Speaker 2: Kay, Thank you, Bud.

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Speaker 2: Reggie Miller. He was on the call with Mike Tarico

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Speaker 2: the Celtics seventy six ers last night, and Reggie joins

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Speaker 2: us on the program, you got any official return date

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Speaker 2: for Jason Tatum after being around the Celtics.

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Speaker 6: Okay, let me clean up some things first, because people

644
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Speaker 6: assumed that we were flexing into that Sunday night game

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Speaker 6: with Boston because we had gotten early information that Tatum

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Speaker 6: was going to be back for that game, which wasn't

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Speaker 6: the case. We were flexing in because it was a

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Speaker 6: better game between two red hot Eastern Conference teams. The

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Speaker 6: other game was I believe Dallas versus Atlanta. Even though

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Speaker 6: Atlanta's played a little bit better, Dallas's kind of going

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Speaker 6: the other way. So that's why we flexed into the game.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't that we had inside knowledge that Katium will

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Speaker 6: be back. To answer your question, and you and I've

654
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Speaker 6: kind of talked about this when he should be back.

655
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 6: I'm hearing as early as Friday that he's thinking about

656
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 6: coming back. I believe they do play Dallas at home.

657
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 6: I'm from the thinking I would like to see him

658
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 6: come back in the playoffs, but people's like, well, he

659
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 6: needs games under his belt. This will be a decision

660
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 6: that he has to make. I think it's a foregone

661
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 6: conclusion that he is coming back this year. I'm a

662
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 6: little surprised, but I think he's been doing this, working

663
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 6: so hard for his mental and I think he's ahead

664
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 6: of schedule. I don't know if you've watched any of

665
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 6: that five part documentary of you know, the quiet part

666
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 6: of them following him around, the best thing, if there

667
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 6: was knock on wood, the best thing. When he tore

668
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 6: his achilles in Game five, I believe in New York

669
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 6: that the doctor was right there, attached it right away,

670
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 6: and the thinking was the body didn't even know that

671
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 6: it had that traumatic experience. That's how quickly within twenty

672
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 6: four hours they had the surgery on the achilles. So

673
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 6: that's why he is so far ahead of schedule versus

674
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 6: a Damian Lillard or Tyrese Halliburton is because they had

675
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 6: the surgery within twenty four hours.

676
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: But I don't know why you push him the Celtics

677
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 2: at one eight of ten, they're really getting a lot

678
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: of contributions from a lot of different players, and I

679
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: don't know if you, well, maybe you're not rushing him back,

680
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: but it feels like.

681
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 6: Let's clear this up. The Celtics are not rushing Jason Tatum.

682
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 6: No one is saying come back and play. This is

683
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 6: all coming from Tatum's camp, So the Celtics are being

684
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 6: very patient.

685
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: Tatum can say when he wants to come back.

686
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, at the end of the day, this is going

687
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 6: to be Jason Tatum's decision, along with the doctors. Don't

688
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 6: get me wrong. I mean they're going to put them

689
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 6: through vigorous workouts and all that, but at the end

690
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 6: of the day, Tatum will have the last say saying

691
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 6: I think or I want to go. Okay, it won't

692
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 6: be the doctor saying that. So no one from the

693
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 6: Celtic side is trying to hurry up the process and

694
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 6: get Tatum back on the floor. This is all the

695
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 6: narrative is all coming from the Tatum side, as it

696
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 6: should be because it's his decision and his decision alone.

697
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: Let's go back a couple of weeks. You're there with

698
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark and you say to the other guys on

699
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: the NBC set that her play reminds you of Peyton Pritchard. Okay,

700
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 2: you see Peyton Pritchard last night. Does he say anything

701
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: about that comparison to Caitlyn Clark.

702
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 6: Uh, Well, we had the conversation because when I said

703
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 6: that it was a Sunday night game, it was our

704
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 6: first Sunday night game. It was in New York. It

705
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 6: just so happened. We had a game Tuesday in Dallas

706
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 6: with Boston, and obviously everything blew up after that because

707
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 6: they're saying her look like she felt disrespected. This is

708
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 6: people saying she felt disrespected. And the question from Maria

709
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 6: to me was who does her game remind you of?

710
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 6: It wasn't the question of historically or stature wise, who

711
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 6: is she compared to? Because if that was the case,

712
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 6: obviously the W and the WNBA, she has brought so

713
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 6: much attention and eyes like a Stephen Curry. So if

714
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 6: that was the question, then I probably should have said

715
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 6: Stephen Curry. But I was going by game alone, like

716
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 6: who does her game remind me of? And when I

717
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 6: look at Peyton Pritcher, and if you've watched Peyton Pritcher,

718
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 6: which you've seen a lot because you live in that area,

719
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 6: they're very similar. Now he's probably a better score once

720
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 6: he gets into the paint. But I was talking about

721
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 6: in terms, she loves to go left in that step

722
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 6: back three deep three. That's Peyton Pritcher, throw ahead, get

723
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 6: the ball back, big quick moves assists. To me, that

724
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 6: was Peyton Pritcher. I think people got caught up because

725
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 6: it wasn't a huge name.

726
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: You know.

727
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 6: People say, you could have said Damian Lillard. You could

728
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 6: have said Trey Young, you could have said Stephen Curry.

729
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 6: I was comparing the games, guys, not the stature of

730
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 6: Caitlyn Clark.

731
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: Did you see her reaction though? She was surprised with

732
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: your react with with what you said.

733
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 6: I didn't see her reaction until everyone was like, did

734
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 6: you see her? I was like, I was talking about

735
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 6: the game, so but if you see have you've seen

736
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 6: his game recently? Everyone like the game against LA and

737
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 6: everyone was like, oh, I guess Raggie was right. Rigsie's

738
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 6: closer to that than she is to Stephen Curry. Stephen

739
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 6: Curry's more off the ball. Now, Kaitlyn Clark has the

740
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 6: ball like Peyton Pritcher has the ball all the time.

741
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 6: It's just a Peyton Pritcher to the common man, isn't

742
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 6: well known like Stephen Curry. But to the basketball people,

743
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 6: people know Peyton. People really love Peyton Pritcher. But it

744
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 6: is what it is.

745
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: If you had to do it over again, and I

746
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: ask you, who does Caitlin Clark's game remind you.

747
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say, Peyton Prischer, Stephen Curry, Kyrie cutting down SGA,

748
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 6: He's all of them.

749
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: All right. Who would have known that? You would have

750
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: thought you'd get embroiled in something like this, But.

751
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: I was like, really really.

752
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 6: Bearing her games. See that?

753
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: Let me know.

754
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 6: People don't know Peyton Pritcher.

755
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And you know what, I am always exchanging

756
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 2: these summer league videos with Marvin. It'll be a Sunday

757
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: morning at seven point thirty and I'll send him a

758
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: video of Peyton Pritchard playing in a some kind of

759
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: summer late game, a pro am game, and he is unbelievable, scorching, Yes.

760
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 6: Sporty, but again he is not a How when you

761
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 6: think of the Celtics, you think of Kadam and Brown,

762
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 6: you really don't think they're Pritchard. But the basketball fearist,

763
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 6: we know who Peyton Pritchard is. But again it wasn't

764
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 6: the name. I guess she wasn't looking for, or the

765
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 6: people weren't looking.

766
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: For They were looking for Steph. They were looking for Steph.

767
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 6: But that's not her game. That's not her game. The

768
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 6: only thing that she has in common with Steph is

769
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 6: that they both shoot deep. Steph plays off the ball.

770
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, we're talking to Reggie Miller read on the

771
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: call for the Celtics and Peyton Pritchard against the seventy

772
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: six ers. There's the Magic City game in Atlanta, and

773
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: I was curious, No, I'll be working. Okay, have you

774
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: been to Magic City? The Wing Establishment in Atlanta?

775
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 6: I'm sure at some point I have I ever been

776
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 6: to Magic City? Maybe? Have you ever been to Magic City?

777
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: I have not, but I did when we went down

778
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: to do Celebrity Family Feud. I gave Marvin, you did

779
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: this show from Magic City. No, no, no, no, no,

780
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: I did Celebrity Family Feud. And we were down there

781
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: and it was we went to dinner and then Marvin says, hey,

782
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: I'd like to go to Magic City, and I said,

783
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: I'm not going. I gave him one hundred dollars and

784
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: he said he was going to make it rain and

785
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: he went there for how you made it drizzle?

786
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 9: How long did you go for? So I thought I

787
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 9: was going to go there for you know what? Forty

788
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 9: five made its tops three and a half hours later.

789
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: Whoa Marvin?

790
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 9: He said, who was there? Lil bow Wow? Little bow Wow?

791
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 9: And Tea Paine and Jermaine Dupree.

792
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 6: Okay, it's safe to say to answer your question, I've

793
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 6: never made it rain in Magic City, so I can

794
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 6: say that have you made it? You have one up me,

795
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 6: you have won up me. I've never made it rain

796
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 6: in Magic City?

797
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: Have you made it sprinkle?

798
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 6: I've never made it rain sprinkle, a drizzle, a little

799
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 6: cloud cover, none of that.

800
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: You That wasn't back in your generation, though.

801
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 6: I think it was back, was it? How long has

802
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 6: it been around you?

803
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 8: No?

804
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: I mean making it rain.

805
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 6: Oh no, that's a new thing, making it rain.

806
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like James Harden is MVP it making it rain.

807
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 6: Probably has a jersey in there.

808
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah when you when they retire your jersey in a

809
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: strip club.

810
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 6: There's so many ways we could go with it.

811
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 2: Making take the arm, making for him, making it rain

812
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: good for him. Okay, I took credit. Now I have

813
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: to take some blame. I would pester the commissioner of

814
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 2: the NBA, why don't we establish a number of games

815
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: you need to play to qualify for first team, second team,

816
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: third team for MVP? And I kept saying sixty five. Now,

817
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: whether he listened to me or not, we're at a

818
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: point where Joker can't miss more than one more game SGA,

819
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: you might have somebody win the MVP who is not

820
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 2: really the MVP in people's eyes, but only because they qualify.

821
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: What would you do with the sixty five game minimum

822
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 2: to qualify for postseason honors number?

823
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: Why? I get rid of it.

824
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 6: That's a hard number in today's game, And I know

825
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 6: it sounds so trivial for people to say they can't

826
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 6: play sixty five games. The amount of running and how

827
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 6: the game has played today, I see where the injuries

828
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 6: are coming from. I think sixty five that's a It's

829
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 6: a tough number. And in terms of someone winning MVP,

830
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 6: I would be okay if a kid Cunningham won MVP

831
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 6: this year because of the number of games, his numbers

832
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 6: back it up, his teams back it up. I would

833
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 6: be okay. If Jalen Brown won MVP this season, his

834
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 6: numbers back it up, his game backs it up. So uh,

835
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 6: it's unfortunate. Injuries are a part of this game. But

836
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 6: I was going back. Didn't a Rod win in baseball?

837
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 6: He won an MVP, I believe with the Texas Rangers,

838
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 6: and they were like in last place or something like that,

839
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 6: right or second to last.

840
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: Something like that, Andrey Dawson won an MVP with the

841
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: Cubs they finished lands. I think cal Ripken might have

842
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: won an MVP, So.

843
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 6: I mean, it's unfortunate. I've talked about injuries being a

844
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 6: part part of it. I don't personally like this sixty

845
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 6: five You look at the All NBA teams this year,

846
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 6: that's a different conversation because we could have people that

847
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 6: are making the All NBA teams that probably normally wouldn't

848
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 6: be first, second, or third team because of this sixty

849
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 6: five game rule. The awards, I can kind of see,

850
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 6: but there's gonna be some guys on the All NBA

851
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 6: team where you're gonna be scratching your head a little bit. Uh.

852
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: Jeff Chigue has the Club five to twenty podcast, and

853
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: he was asked the following question.

854
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 8: Watching highlights, and y'all think of how good yoga is,

855
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 8: how good you think Larry Bird would be right now?

856
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: Larry Bird, he'd be a small Ford version.

857
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: You think he'd be like one of the best.

858
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: Like Larry Birr would do this night.

859
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 8: And sometimes I used to watch like older people play,

860
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 8: I should be like man blood, he ain't this. But

861
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 8: then when I watched yok, it's just like he walking around.

862
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 8: He just make it look so So I'm like, Larry

863
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 8: Bird play right now like Luca and you could just

864
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 8: be walking around.

865
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 6: So what do you think Larry Bird could play in

866
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 6: any era generation and dominate? Same with Magic. Uh, those guys, Michael,

867
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter. You could plug them in the sixties

868
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 6: and you could plug them in today's game and they

869
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 6: would be just as dominant. People say, Shaq wouldn't be

870
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 6: as dominant in today's game where there's so much space

871
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 6: and they're switching. Uh, everyone plays five out, zero in,

872
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 6: and they're like, Shaq would not be as dominant. You

873
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 6: guys are out of your damn mind. Shaq would dominate,

874
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 6: probably even more so because he would be fouling out

875
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 6: all these He would be fouling out indeed, in the Jokers,

876
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 6: it would be ridiculous. Larry Bird would dominate in today's

877
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 6: games and he gets to shoot fifteen to twenty threes?

878
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 6: Are you kidding me?

879
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: Why is it? And Cheaton brought this up earlier. If

880
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: Larry was that greatest shooter, why did he he never

881
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: averaged more than three three pointers a game?

882
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 6: Time the game was played different because the game was

883
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 6: played with your back to the basket. It was more

884
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 6: physical and there was no zones.

885
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: When did it change?

886
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 6: I would say early two thousands is when the game

887
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 6: started to drift. The more space pace, open it up

888
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 6: more running. I would say, right as dollars retiring two

889
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 6: thousand and four to two thousand and five, that's when

890
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 6: because we wanted scoring up, and how do you get

891
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 6: more scoring You got to make more threes. So teams

892
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 6: started to take and make more threes. So early two

893
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 6: thousand is when it shifted.

894
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: But is this Golden State changing the game or is

895
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: it before Golden State?

896
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 6: Well, if you remember run TMC with Don Nelson and

897
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 6: you know Chris Mallen, Mitch Rishman, Tim Hardaway, they were

898
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 6: ahead of their time.

899
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: But I don't think they were shooting threes with regularity.

900
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: I think that they were.

901
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 6: They were like they are today. But think about it

902
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 6: started with Mark Jackson and then Steve Kerr just took

903
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 6: it to a different level in terms of head coach.

904
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 6: You had two of the greatest shooters ever on one

905
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 6: team and Stephan and Clay Thompson, So why not utilize that?

906
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was trying to think, was there another

907
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 2: player team coach who said, you're gonna have to play

908
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: our style at the other end of the floor and

909
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: where I.

910
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 6: Think as of recent that's how the Celtics. That's how

911
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 6: the Celtics won their championship. And they've been in contention

912
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 6: over the last five six years. Joe mazzoulam they want

913
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 6: to take forty threes and I think last year they

914
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 6: averaged eighteen. This year they're averaging fifteen May three, So

915
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 6: that's you know, without Tatum. Without Tatum, he makes up

916
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 6: those three or four to three. So uh, that's how

917
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 6: Boston plays. That's how they're successful. But people don't get

918
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 6: it twisted. Another reason why Golden State was so good

919
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 6: at winning championships, their defense was elite. Boston their defense

920
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 6: is elite as well.

921
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: I think we've talked about this. I had Robert Ori

922
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: orioh on and retch. He's a Hall of Famer, and

923
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to say this because it's just like Draymond Green,

924
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: you're part of an ensemble. Robert or when your nickname

925
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: is big Shot Bob. You played for the Lakers, you

926
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: played for the Rockets, you played for the Spurs. You

927
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: have seven NBA titles and you played big in big minutes.

928
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 2: This is no different than Michael Cooper with his contributions

929
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: to the Lakers and being part of an ensum. So

930
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: now I'm on this kick to get Robert or into

931
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. And I know he was a

932
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: good college player, wasn't He said he probably didn't have

933
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: any play design for him in his career, but he

934
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 2: was playing with unbelievably talented players who kind of overshadowed

935
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: anything that he did. It was Tim Duncan Spurs, you know,

936
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: it was a teams Rockets, it was shacking Kobe's Lakers.

937
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: But Robert oriy has seven titles and it is part

938
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: of you know, winning those titles.

939
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 6: Not only seven titles, but if you go back to

940
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 6: each one of those runs for him, there was a

941
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 6: moment in each of those series in the finals where

942
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 6: the nickname became true. And I'm with you on that.

943
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 6: People love to focus in on the numbers. I believe

944
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 6: it doesn't even have over eleven thousand career points. That's

945
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 6: not the point and I are talking about is what

946
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 6: difference did you make on those championship runs and whether

947
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 6: it's the tip back to him at the three versus Sacramento,

948
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 6: the huge shots that he made on those back to

949
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 6: back title runs in Houston or with the Spurs, a

950
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 6: little hip check to us. There's moments that we know

951
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 6: about Robert or and I agree with you and Shaq

952
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 6: and I. We've had this conversation before that big shot

953
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 6: Bob should be a Hall of Famer Eventually. I think

954
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 6: he'll get in. Everyone does. But yeah, I think he

955
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 6: should be a Hall of Famer as well.

956
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man. And plus he was a guy who would

957
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 2: give you one hundred blocks.

958
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 6: Yes, and people forgot how good defensively he want?

959
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we I asked him. I said, better defender Mike

960
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: or Scotty. He goes, oh, Scotty like it. He didn't

961
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: even hesit.

962
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 6: I would say, yeah, Scotty was guarding one through five

963
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 6: and as good as Mike was. And I say that

964
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 6: because he Mike had to guard be. I mean, I

965
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 6: had some of my best games against Jordan, so but

966
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 6: when they put Scottie off, it was a little different.

967
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: Why I always go back to when Scotty picked up

968
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: Mark Jackson Full Car and Series. I felt bad for

969
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 2: Mark because Mark's not gonna be We should have known.

970
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 6: That it was coming because that's what he did to

971
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 6: John Stockton.

972
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 2: Completely took him out, okay when he picked him.

973
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 6: Up full and we we should have known that.

974
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: Damn, but we did. Thank you Reggi as always, well,

975
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: talk to you next week. Marvin making it sprinkle, Reggie

976
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: Alowisious Miller Junior, the third