1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How many dead bodies? How 2 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: many victims will it take literally getting gunned down on 3 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: the streak before the serial killer stalking Albuquerque is stopped? 4 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: How many families will mourn their loved one? I Nancy Grace, 5 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 6 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: here at Fox Station and series XM one eleven. First 7 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this. In New Mexico, 8 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: a community and terror fearing a possible serial killer is 9 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: on the loose and gunning down Muslim men after a 10 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: string of what authorities are calling targeted killings across Albuquerque. 11 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: Police now on the hunt for this vehicle. If you 12 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: see a dark colored four door sedan Volkswagen Passant or Jetta, 13 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: we encourage you to call the police. That is a 14 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: freshly developed lead. A sixth generation Jetta we believe in 15 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: a charcoal or dark gray color with New Mexico tags 16 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: has become prominent in the search for a serial killer. 17 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friend Aaron McLoughlin at the 18 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: Today Show. Joining me is an all star panel to 19 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But as 20 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: it stands, there are four shooting victims whose cases have 21 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: gone unsolved and unavenged, as the family stands by wondering why. Who, 22 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: you may ask, are the victims? Are they dope dealers 23 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: out on the street. No? Are they miscreants of some sort? 24 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: Are they fleeing a crime? No. One of the victims 25 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: had just gotten his master's degree and wanted to change 26 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: the world by entering community relations in politics. One ran 27 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: a business with his brother. His brother says, now my 28 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: life means nothing without my brother. We came here for 29 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: the American dream, and he was gunned down in cold blood. 30 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: One victim hadn't just left the funeral. I'm another victim. 31 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: Pure hate is the motive in these killings. I don't 32 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: have to prove a motive, but I don't have to 33 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: search very far. All these men, sons, brothers dead, and 34 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: the case is cold. With me in Ulster, pell to 35 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But first 36 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: I want to go to a very special guest join us. 37 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: It is Mohammad Hussain. This is Asel Hussain's brother. So 38 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Thank you so much 39 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: for having me. It hurts me that you would even 40 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: thank me. Yeah, it's very painful. It's really my honor 41 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: having you on, and I'm praying for an answer. Tell 42 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: me about the moment you learned your brother as I've 43 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: been killed. This is very painful. You know, our whole 44 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: life was wild and her brother, he was a tiller 45 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: of our family. He was raised and start of our community. 46 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: He was a student leader. He was a community organizing 47 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: its juganizer. He worked wherever he go. He went to 48 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: university and he touched many hearts. He became student leader, 49 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: a genistic in Mexico. He was president of WIGD student union, 50 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: second Muslim in one hundred and fifty year history of 51 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, hold on, I want to I want to 52 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: let that so ken. He was the second what he 53 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: was second the Muslim student leader in the hundred and 54 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: fifty year history of the University of New Mexico. You know, 55 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: mister Hussein, you're really striking a chord with me because 56 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: now my parents didn't get to get a college degree, 57 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: and they were convinced, you know, since we were little, 58 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: if you you know, can go to college, everything will 59 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: be fine. And we worked our whole way through college, 60 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: law school, grad degree the whole time, and somehow thought 61 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: that doing that would change our future. And I believe 62 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: it did it. And I'm thinking about your brother going 63 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: through school. I believe didn't he get his master's degree. 64 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: He got to his master's degree and offered that briefly 65 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: looking for Almy Strasbury. He joined his job as a 66 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: city planner and was promoted to that actor planning in 67 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: city of Espanowa, and he was very happy that. He said, 68 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: this is the city which has potential to grow, a 69 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: city between San Free and Las Alomos. He said, I'm 70 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: working hard for the development of infrastructure, study for working 71 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: on different projects. He was very ambitious to make the 72 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: city where he worked the progressive, developed and more advanced. 73 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: Mister Hussain is just striking me that he was doing 74 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: everything right above and beyond to ensure success and a 75 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: good life for him and your family. When did you 76 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: learn he had been killed? Oh God, that's very painful, 77 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: because he came from office around seven o'clock and I 78 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: kids and he were here, and around nine to fifty 79 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: and nine fifty five he got a call and he 80 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: just stepped out of the apartment and he's wonnered and 81 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: his keys were here. We thought that he's just outside 82 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 1: for a call. We didn't know that he got shot 83 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: just after five minutes, but we didn't call. After a 84 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: couple of hours, he called mine one one and asked, 85 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: this is my brother's wonnered that responding and they confirmed 86 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: that your brother got shot and I just said shot. Yeah, 87 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: he's definite, really painful. Life fell apart. I saw even 88 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: a pillar of our family. He's a riding start. What 89 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: happened to him? He said, well, we can't tell anything. 90 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: We'll tell you tomorrow. So so for what we can 91 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: confirm that he is provided? Are ID provided your brother's 92 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: Who did that? Why did that? While someone wanted to 93 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: take even life? But what was more horrible? When I 94 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: went to medical examiner who asked about the top seed 95 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: report or people who live are ord was killed? He 96 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: was killed multiple multiple shots. He was killed from different directions. 97 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: He was ambushed someone waiting for him in the corner 98 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: where he didn't have time to escape, and he when escaped, 99 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: they shot him seven, eight, ten times with different weapons. 100 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: A handgun was used, medical examiners said, and a rifle 101 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: was used. He said, gentleman, a top seedpot. I said, 102 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: do you have a top seatport? He said, you will 103 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: not have the patience to read that top setport is horrible. 104 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: Whoever wanted to kill him, they wanted to finish him, 105 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: so that was the thing. Is quite horror in my 106 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: mind that there is someone who hasn't that extreme hatred 107 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: against him that they don't want him to breathe The 108 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: guy who lived in front of front of the house 109 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: where he got shot, he came outside, he said after 110 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: five minutes, and he said he was already gone before 111 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: police came. It was couple, he said a blog around. 112 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: Oh just one minute. Oh, mister Hassan, I am so 113 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: sorry and for everyone, for everyone listening. You know, it's 114 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: so easy to think, to doctor Jonathan Metzel joining us 115 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: UM Professor of Sociology and Medicine, Health and Society, Professor 116 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: of Psychiatry at Vanderbilt, Doctor Metzel, it's so easy for 117 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: everyone to think, oh, well, this happened in Albuquerque. This 118 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: is a hate crime against a Muslim man. That has 119 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: nothing to do with me. That's not true. Here, we've 120 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: got this guy who's gone all the way through university 121 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: with flying colors, got his master's degree. He's working as 122 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: a city planner and the city planner's office. He just 123 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: steps outside and bam, somebody shooting with two weapons. This 124 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: could happen to anyone, and there is a serial killer 125 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: attacking males and Albuquerque, we cannot disassociate ourselves from what 126 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: mister Hussein and others are suffering. Well, I agree completely. 127 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just horrific and unifying and so deeply, 128 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 1: deeply tragic on so many levels. On one hand, I 129 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: think it's important to note that, relatively speaking, Albuquerque has 130 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: been a relative American success story in terms of welcoming 131 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: immigrants to the community. They've got a lot of people 132 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: from Pakistan, Afghanistan, other places, and what we see in 133 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: these stories is the power of that kind of welcoming narrative. 134 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: People come to this country, they work hard, they give back, 135 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 1: right the other victims in this case that started companies, 136 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: or we're just becoming citizens. We're giving back in so 137 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: many different ways, and so in a way, again, we 138 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: don't know what has happened at this moment, but it 139 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: does seem like the attack is not just on these 140 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: four people. It's an attack on the idea that people 141 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: can come here and work hard and contribute. And we've 142 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: seen it in Albuquerque before. There was an attempt to 143 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: burn down a mosque last year. Oh I'm so glad 144 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: you reminded me of that doctor Metzel, I had not 145 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: added in the attack on the mosque. Time stories with 146 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining you right now in addition to doctor 147 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: Metzel and f Sal's brother Muhammad is saying another very 148 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: special guest, and Angel Selcito joining me. Ko At, I'm 149 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: going to get right with you because I need to 150 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: hear your facts. But I want to go to Edward 151 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: Ahmed Mitchell, National Deputy Director, Council on American Islamic Relations. 152 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: Mister Mitchell, I think I know what's going on. There 153 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: is someone directing their rage on Muslim men, fathers, brothers, sons. 154 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody in this country is an immigrant. Almost 155 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: my ancestors came over broke and starving out of Ireland 156 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: to make a go of it. So the fact that 157 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: this hatred is directed to these men very very disturbing. 158 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: Mister Mitchell, absolutely, Nancy. You know, look over the past 159 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: ten twenty years, the American Muslim community has had to 160 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: deal with hate crimes, hate speech, moss being burned down, 161 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: Muslim woman having her jobs or off. So we're not 162 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: unaccustomed to dealing with that sort of violence. But what 163 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: we appear to be seeing in albergery if somewhat unpreceded 164 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: notion that four different Muslimen could be killed over the 165 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: course of nine months and right on the street. Mister Mitchell, 166 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're a lawyer. I don't know 167 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: if you've got probabeice criminal law or not. But m 168 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: modus operandi, memot of operation. I mean, they're not even 169 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: a shame. They're out shooting these men dead right out 170 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: on the street with impunity. Yeah. And I was a 171 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: prosecutor before I was a c rights attorney, and so yeah, 172 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable, Nancy. And what's really unbelievable is the 173 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: person is still at large. At this point. We're happy 174 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: there's a full federal response. Now the FBI is working 175 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: with the local authorities. They're making some progress, but whoever 176 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: is doing this has to be stopped. And again we 177 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: have our suspicions about what the motive is, given that 178 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: all four men were Muslim of a similar ethnic background, working, living, 179 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: worshiping in the same area, all just targeted on the street. 180 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: But we won't know for sure until the person is caught. 181 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: Whoever they are, what they're doing is evil. And they 182 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: have got to be stopped. He just says something in 183 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: my mind very probitive, and I want to go to 184 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: another special guest I know very well, Paul's Zyke, former 185 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: police commander in Albuquerque, author I'll stop him from killing 186 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: them on Amazon. Paul, So great to have you with us, Paul, 187 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: thank you. I fully expect we're going to learn that 188 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: the killer was at or around the funeral of one 189 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: of the other victims, because we've got one victim at 190 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: the funeral, leaves the funeral, and that shortly after is murdyred. 191 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: I think that's very reasonable to assume. I mean, one 192 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: of the things that serial killers almost always are as 193 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: very methodical. You know, they stalk before they before they 194 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: actually take action. The ambush style that these killings to 195 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: take in place. They're hunting, why they're hunting a deer. 196 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely it fits right into that category. And I also 197 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: just like to say, mister who's saying, my heart goes 198 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: out to use a fellow Albuquerque citizen and a fellow 199 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: human being and a member of the law enforcement community, 200 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: my prayers are with you and your family. I do 201 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: agree in answer with everything you're saying. You know, the 202 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: methodology of these of these killings, the m as you said, 203 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: the modus operandi um, you know over the last these 204 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: four killings has something very in common. And we've seen 205 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: this before. This is, you know, years ago, I mean 206 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: we had a mask grave site here. I mean we 207 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: still do. We have a memorial there where eleven women 208 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: were found in a mask grave. So this is something 209 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: that's not completely new to Albuquerque, unfortunately, do you Angel 210 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: Salcino joining US investigative reporter kot in Albuquerque. So great 211 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: to have you on with us. Angel and I were 212 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: we can meet under better circumstances one of these days. 213 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: But I can't help but wondering has there been a 214 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: ballistics match? I mean, I need you to start at 215 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: the beginning and go from there. But just right off 216 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: the top of the bat, we need to connect the killer. 217 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: I've got no doubt it is the same killer based 218 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: on the m O and the victim's similarities. But can 219 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: we not trace the weapon? Do we know the weapon? Well, 220 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: there are so many questions here, Nancy, you would think 221 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: with the first murder coming last November, murder was actually 222 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: connected to what happened on August first. So those two 223 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: were the first two that were connected. It basically started 224 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: the chain, the domino effect. If you will into this investigation, 225 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: and you would think that there has to be something 226 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: that connected something that was a year ago, almost a 227 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: year ago, barely ten months, right, And I think I 228 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: think another major question here is why why are in 229 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: law enforcement identifying this as a hate crime. And I 230 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: think it doesn't take a genius to a rocket scientist 231 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: to see that this is a highly motivated in the 232 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: targeted attack. But what they're trying to figure out is 233 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: motivated by what hey hey, Angel, And another thing, the 234 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: state doesn't have to prove motive, But you're right, Angel Celcido, 235 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: because if I can determine motive, which is obviously hay crime, 236 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: then it may help me identify the killer. I'm going 237 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: to circle back to you on the most recent development 238 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: regarding that sixth generation Volkswagen Jetta charcoal and color and 239 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: your Mexico plates. I want to figure that out. But 240 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: the bullets, the bullets, and I find it so evil 241 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: and so hateful. Back to Mohammad Hussain, the brother of Aseel, 242 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: the one I've been talking to you about that was 243 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: working the community planner's office. But there are three other victims, 244 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about it. So it's like twisting 245 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: the knife, because not only does the killer murder another victim, 246 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: but it's right. It's like, hey, you go to the 247 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: funeral morning one of my victims, I'm gonna murder you. 248 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: Right after that, while you're still grieving one victim, I'm 249 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: going to murder another victims. It's twisting. The night when 250 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: my brother got shot and he was he was known 251 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: to everyone collresswoman and congressman men here, including our mayor 252 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: and the governor, and people started his vife. We made 253 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: a piece of session in his funeral, raised voice that 254 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: please me, but they will not come back. But we 255 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: want to catch those shooters. We do want no other brother, sister, mom, 256 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: or dad become victim of that by an all city 257 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: administration of Coress, congress people and City of Festal administration, 258 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: police chiefs all were there. But look what happens. And 259 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: the same night a guy who attended the funeral got shot. 260 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: That is something serious that those were shooters. They have 261 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: no returns of police. They have no fear that their 262 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies are working here. They have no fear 263 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: that someone are going to catch none whatsoever no fear, 264 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: No fear. Guys, we have been talking to our Saul's 265 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: brother Muhammad in tiaz Hu's saying there are three other victims. 266 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at today. The latest 267 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: victim was shot dead Friday. Authorities have yet to name him, 268 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: but his family identifying him as twenty five year old 269 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: name Hussain, his brother in law telling NBC News, Naime's 270 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: friends found his body around midnight in a parking lot 271 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: east of the city. They went across the vehicle and 272 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: saw Naim and they opened the door. As soon as 273 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: they touched him, he sloushed over and fell over and 274 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: was he shot multiple times. The friends that saw the 275 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: body that said it was a head shot, so I 276 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: don't know if it was a single shot or for 277 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: multiple shots. Joining me is renowned medica who examiner for 278 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: the entire sta to Florida doctor Tim Gallagher. Not only 279 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: is he Luxury University Florida Medical School, but he is 280 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: the founder and host of the International Forensic Medicine Death 281 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher, the ms are hard to mistake. Headshots, 282 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: multiple shootings, two weapons in public places. Now, you're absolutely right, 283 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: and he does make a good point. You know that 284 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: the killer was there. They were specifically targeted, They were organized. 285 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: You know, there were two weapons used. And they have 286 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: no fear of reprisal. They have no fear of the 287 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: law enforcement agency. You know. So these are people who 288 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, obviously have done this before. Obviously I thought 289 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: about it, not being very organized. Take a listen again 290 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: to our friends from today. Hours before his murder name 291 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: had attended the funeral service morning. Two of the other 292 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: murder victims, Muhammad Afzal Hussain and off Tom Hussein, both 293 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: sean and killed days before in separate attacks. I remember 294 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: seeing him at the funeral and all I told him 295 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: would aout be careful. All three were from Pakistan, all 296 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: with the last name Hussain. Authorities now circling back to 297 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: see if those murders are in any way linked to 298 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: the Albuquerque killing of Mohammed Ahmadi in November of last year, 299 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: gunned down outside his family's store. Speaking of Mohammed Ahmadi, 300 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends. Akob four Sharif Amadi. 301 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: Hadi owns ariana halal marketing cafe here at San Mateo 302 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: and Mountain. He says, his brother Mohammed Zahir Ahmadi was 303 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: a wonderful person. Why why they are shooting Muslim? Does 304 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: that make you angry? Of course I'm hungry. I don't care. 305 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: Is not my brother? Why did you kill human mez 306 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: Here was killed here in November seventh. The suspect didn't 307 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: even wait until late at night. Officers say they've responded 308 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: at sixty one sixty one pm November seven, was just 309 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: getting dark. Take a listen to more from our friends 310 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: at Ko before Sharif says his brother's a here just 311 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: came outside to smoke a cigarette when an attacker ambushing's 312 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: a here and shooting and killing him. Sharif says he 313 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: then had to clean his brother's blood off his own 314 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: sidewalk on somebody Jim and shoot him right behind her tips. 315 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: He says nothing inside the shop was touched. This was 316 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: not a robbery. Why they did this was he's against slowbody. 317 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get that visual out of my head 318 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: where the brother is literally cleaning the blood off the 319 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: sidewalk at their meet business. I've listened very carefully what 320 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: the brother has to say, and he says his own 321 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: life means nothing to him anymore. To Angel, Salcido joining 322 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: us from Koat. The two brothers had come to our 323 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: country seeking the so called American dream and had built 324 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: this business up from scratch. They devoted all their time 325 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: to the business that they ran together. Right, Yeah, that's 326 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: that's correct, Nancy. It's hard to imagine, right. I mean, 327 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: less than one percent of New Mexico is made up 328 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: of people who identify with Islam religion. And just to 329 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: think that four hate crimes, three in the span of 330 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: two weeks, could I don't want to say they are 331 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: hate crimes, but they could be hate crimes in just 332 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: the small city of Albuquerque. Is It's just a little 333 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: bit jarring. Now, very curious. I want to go to 334 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: Paul Zeke joining US Foreign Police Commander in Albuquerque. I 335 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: was listening to what the brother, Mohammad Zahir Ahmadi said, 336 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: and he says, quote came and shot him right behind 337 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: his head. That sounds like he's referring to a point 338 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: blank shooting, which means that part would have had to 339 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: get out of his car. Yes, that would very strongly 340 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: infer that it's also you know, an organized, almost gang 341 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:34,239 Speaker 1: style shooting where somebody is firing point blank. There's going 342 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: to be evidence to support that, obviously through forensics, but 343 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: for sure that definitely point a strong picture of the 344 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: brazenness of these individuals. Daylight, they don't care. Out in 345 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: front of the street, they don't care. In an alley, 346 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: everything's got video cameras, they don't care. Geographically, the clustering 347 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: of these locations is also something that is very significant. 348 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: Do you take the you know, the one percent is 349 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: that was previously stated of you know, Albuquerque being of 350 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: Muslim descent, on top of the geographical clustering of these events, 351 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: on top of the fact that they're occurring in the 352 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: same manner, you know, multiple weapons, and it's almost impossible 353 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: not to draw the conclusion when you say the geographical 354 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: clustering locations, how close together geographically are the shootings. They're 355 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: in one section of Albuquerque in ten blocks, five blocks, 356 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: three blocks. What are we talking about? Some some ten 357 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: some five some, you name it. There. They're a little 358 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: bit of variant in there. But when you look at 359 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: one area of our city, it's divided into mainly four quadrants. 360 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: Southeast is one of those quadrants. To have all these 361 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: scenes to play out with all the other commonalities, it's 362 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: almost impossible to excuse the fact that, yeah, these are targeted. 363 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: It's specific towards a certain type of individual, and these 364 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: folks are out there looking for that and they're active. 365 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious Paul's and Angel suseto either of 366 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: you know the answer this Angel joining us to koat TV. 367 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: This is a business area. Where are the surveillance video cams. 368 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure, Nancy, that there are a lot 369 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: of video sources that aren't yet being released to us 370 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: during the investigation. Just to try not to interfere with 371 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: that investigation. Well, that's probably where they got the Angel, 372 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: where they got the volswagon Jetta idea from yes, And 373 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: just to put this in perspective, Nancy, if you don't 374 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: mind police channels, especially here in the metro Albuquerque police 375 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: are now encrypting their dispass traffic to just try and 376 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: again safeguard disinvestigation. Right, you don't know who these suspects are, 377 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: you don't know if they have access to dispass traffic. 378 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: And this has become an investigation that is also joined 379 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: by the Federal Bureau of Investigations. So I'm sure there 380 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: are a lot of information, a lot of video that 381 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: will come out in the future that has not been 382 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: not yet been released to us. Guys. I've told you 383 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: about a Fazal who's saying his brother Muhammad and Diaz 384 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: Hussein is joining us the city planner. I've told you 385 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: about Naim Hussein. I've told you about Zahir Ahmadi who 386 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: started a business, a meat business with his brother just 387 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: gunned down the sidewalk outside of the business. But there 388 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: is also Aftab saying take a listen to our friends 389 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: at GNA. Muhammad off SAAL's family is in mourning after 390 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: the twenty seven year old was found shot to death 391 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: Monday night near Cornell and Garfield, less than a block 392 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: from where he lived. Mamma was my youngest brother and 393 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: he was very actively lively persona with much involved in community. 394 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: Off Sal's brother, along with his two young nephews, were 395 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: staying with him at the time of his death. He 396 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: says around nine Monday night, off Sal went outside. A 397 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: couple of hours went by and Offsal was still gone, 398 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: so his brother called nine one one police told him 399 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: his brother was dead. What can you tell me? Angel 400 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: Celsido koa t TV about f tab well as it 401 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: pertains to aft he was killed on July twenty six 402 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: he has He also has the last name who was seen, 403 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: which is definitely jarring. Considering the last three murders have 404 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: been seen with different spellings, I should say Aftab was 405 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: filled with an ei n instead of ai n ff. 406 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: Tab Hussein's brother has just been photoed crying over his 407 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: brother's grave. If Tab worked at a local cafe and 408 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: he was gunned down on the sidewalk outside of his 409 00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: own home, take a listen to our Madison Connor at CBS. 410 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: The latest murder victim a young man from South Asia 411 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: shot Friday night. Last Monday, twenty seven year old Muhammed 412 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: I saw Hussain was gunned down. Forty one year old 413 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: off top Husayn was killed on July twenty sixth. Both 414 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: men were Muslim and from Pakistan. In all three cases, 415 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: police say the men were ambushed with no warning. Authorities 416 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: are also looking into the November twenty twenty one killing 417 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: of Mohammed Amadi. The FBI now assisting Albuquerque police to 418 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: see if they are all connected. There's now a twenty 419 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 1: thousand dollars reward being offered for information leading to an 420 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: arrest in this investigation. Crime Stories with Nancy grace. Yeah, 421 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm thinking a lot about the families we are not 422 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: hearing from. Joining me is a Hussain's brother Muhammad, mister Hussein, 423 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: tell me what cops are telling you about their investigation. 424 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: So for after murder of my brother and the recent 425 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: murder of my Hussan, cops is so far revealed picture 426 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: of a vehicle that is potentially used for in these 427 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: in all these crimes. So so it's great box bagen 428 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: Jetta are stat So what other? Who are those people? 429 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: What kind of weppened? They know that the same kind 430 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: of same kinds of bullet shelves were were recovered from 431 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: all these locations, which can can create a relationship that 432 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: there is one serial killer or one globe poos going. 433 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: Other than that, police and FBI didn't tell any other 434 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: detail that either they have ident by any person that 435 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: the person who is shooting as any race is the 436 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: Asian or is white or blood or whoever is the 437 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: person so far except the vehicle has been identified. No 438 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: other detail that we relieved from APD here, Apps Department 439 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: or FBI. And joining me, Edward Mitchell, the National Deputy 440 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: Director or Councel on American Islamic Relations mister Mitchell. Certainly 441 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: the fans have developed a profile, and let me just 442 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: guess it's going to be a white male and the 443 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: forties to fifties who has voiced in the past hatred 444 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: toward Muslim Americans. That's our suspicion. Obviously we don't know 445 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: for sure, but all signs currently point in that direction. 446 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that they were all Muslim, all 447 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: visibly people of color, all killed in that same area. 448 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to imagine what else could be 449 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: at play other than anti Muslim bigotry. And if it 450 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: is anti Muslim bigotry, then yeah, the profile is usually 451 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: something very clear as you describe, and there's usually a 452 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: history of anti Muslim remarks, often on the Internet, and 453 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: in fact, right now, Nancy, if you go online, you 454 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: can find anti Muslim extremists celebrating these killings in the 455 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: comments section of anti Muslim websites, praising whoever the killer 456 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: is and encouraging them to do more. So, this sort 457 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: of hatred is out there in society, and random Muslims 458 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: are being victimized potentially because of that hatred. And this 459 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: is not I mean, obviously, it's had a horrific impact 460 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: in the families of victims, but the entire Albuquerquet Muslim 461 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: community has also been affected by this right afraid to 462 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: go outside, a fraid to go to the mosque. And 463 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 1: so this is something that is really impacting thousands of 464 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: people because this killer is still a leverage. You know, 465 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: you just reminded me of something. I remember when the 466 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: DC Snipers were at law and I would fly in 467 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: from New York to DC at least twice a week 468 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: to work with Larry King, and people were afraid to 469 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: even go outside. Everybody was afraid because the victims or 470 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: a cross section, there was nobody identifiable, no one group. 471 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: And I'm just imagining the fear that mothers and fathers 472 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: are having, sending their sons out on the street to 473 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: go to school, to go to work, to step outside 474 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: and have a cigarette for Pete's sake. That's what happened 475 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: in one of these cases. Another issue too, Doctor Jonathan 476 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: Metzel joining US Professor of Sociology and Professors Psychiatry at Vanderbilt. 477 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Metzel, very often I've seen that the killer covets 478 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: or hates that which he see. That makes me wonder 479 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: if the killer doesn't live in this area. I mean, 480 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: hold on Angel Selcito. This is south east Albuquerque. Is 481 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: there a very heavy Muslim concentration there? The most the 482 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: Muslim population in Albuquerque is Yes, around that general area 483 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: near the University of New Mexico is where that's concentrated. Correct. 484 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: What does that tell you, doctor Metzel about our killer 485 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: the identity of the killer? Well, I've studied mass shootings 486 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: for the past fifteen years, and I would say that 487 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: in cases like this that are so targeted, there is 488 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: some backstory. Often the backstory is different in every case. 489 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly, I think hate is probably almost certainly 490 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: the right term to use here. Um, this is also 491 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: a serial killer. It's a different kind of serial killer, 492 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: right than you know, somebody who locks people in the basement. 493 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: This is a serial killer obviously also knows weaponry very 494 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: well and is and is using high capacity you know, 495 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: modern weapons in a way to to it's kind of 496 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: a sniper plus a mass shooting plus a serial killing, 497 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: all kind of mixed in together. And I agree with 498 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: the other the other experts here that the level of 499 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: organization is very high. Describe what you mean by that, well, 500 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: just the level of planning, the level of obviously research. 501 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this is somebody who is targeting people coming 502 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: from funerals or targeting people from the last name, which 503 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: suggests some kind of registry, and so there's some kind 504 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: of methodical nature. I think that that kind of suggests 505 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: what's happening here. But again, having studied this for a 506 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,439 Speaker 1: long time, you know, there was a shooter recently who 507 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: was targeting the homeless population in the East Coast. There 508 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: was shoot. There's obviously a lot of anti Asian shooting 509 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: of violence right now, and so the story often is 510 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: there's I agree with you, there's something in this person's 511 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: background that's going to that's going to light up, but 512 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: we're not going to know what it is until we 513 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: we catch this dis killer. And you know, Nancy, just 514 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: to piggyback off of that, looking at the groupings, you know, 515 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: it's very close to I forty, which is a huge 516 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: freeway that comes through our city and intersect with I 517 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: twenty five, and the entire grouping is just to the 518 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 1: southeast of those intersections where they come together, and they're 519 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: along major thoroughfares. So yes, the grouping is super important 520 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,439 Speaker 1: for us, but the accessibility in and out quickly into 521 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: that geographical area. Yeah, they hop on the interstate. In 522 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: ten minutes they're gone, which leads me to red light cams, 523 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: any toll cams video And I also understand if they 524 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: can get a video of the VW, why can't they 525 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: enhance it and get a line on the driver or 526 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: even the life and plate right I mean here in 527 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: New mac because you don't have plates on the front. 528 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: It's only on the back, so that kind of limits 529 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: things a little bit. And as far as the person itself, 530 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: a lot of these cameras that are attached to buildings 531 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: are low resolution, then you know they're really not enhanced. 532 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: But we do have Department of Transportation cameras that all 533 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: tie into one real time crime center where this information 534 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: can be piped in and that's all happening real time. 535 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: Take a list to our friend Ariana Craft at k 536 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: r QA. Police on Sunday said they have identified this 537 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: vehicle of interest and officials, including Albuquerque's mayor, are pledging 538 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: increased patrols around Musts. Among those living in fear of 539 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: further attacks is Muhammad Imatas Hussein, the brother of victim 540 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: Muhammad Afsa Hussein. It's painful if you did in chalk. 541 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: We cannot go out of our house. My kids. Whenever 542 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: it stepped out of my room, they start crying. We 543 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: didn't have any fear. Now it is super painful with 544 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: me empty as he's saying, this is osolves or other? 545 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: What do you mean your chouldren start crying when you 546 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: leave the house. Yeah, it's very difficult. When I go 547 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: outside of my house, they run after me and say, 548 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: if we are you going, I can stand in my 549 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: balcony and I can go out. Just if I forget 550 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: something in my car and said, let me go pick 551 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: They said, no, don't go there. And all the time 552 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: they look around windows that if something can happen from there. 553 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: And I have a little little larders. She we didn't 554 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: tell her. He's just hi. And he said, hey, why 555 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,439 Speaker 1: are you crying all the time? Where your uncle? But 556 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: then why do you start crying? Are you cry baby? 557 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: So I don't know what to tell her. So this 558 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: is very fearful, not only our us in particular, the 559 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: whole entire Muslim community you live around here. Many of 560 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 1: them they didn't go to work for the last couple 561 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: of weeks. They didn't go for gross sea. Now they're 562 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: canceled their meeting, their gatherings. They're not going for a walk, 563 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: You're just being home and no one is coming over 564 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: a nighttime. The chip line five zero five eight four 565 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,959 Speaker 1: three stop five zero five eight four three seven eight 566 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: six seven. There is a thirty thousand dollar reward now 567 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: for anyone that can help solve these murders. We wait 568 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: as just a Sunfoles Nancy Grace Crime story, signing off, 569 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,