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Speaker 1: Native Lamb Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home. Y'all to Part two of Native Lamb Pod,

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Speaker 1: and listen. I have heard a lot of you all

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Speaker 1: say I am resting, We are resting, and certainly you

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Speaker 1: deserve that. But are we at the point where it's

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Speaker 1: enough and it's time to get back to work? Well,

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Speaker 1: nobody better to have that discussion with with young people

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Speaker 1: who have all the energy. So we're going to pick

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Speaker 1: up where we left off in the previous episode of

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Speaker 1: Native Lamp Pod and get into what are these young

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Speaker 1: folks doing, but more importantly, what do they need from

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Speaker 1: us to empower them? So let's kick off this conversation

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Speaker 1: right now. I appreciate all all your points, all of

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Speaker 1: you guys, and I think it's healthy for us to hear,

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Speaker 1: you know, the healthy exchange of ideas and ideology. Ty

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Speaker 1: you talked about. You know, it doesn't take you know everybody.

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Speaker 1: I wonder this is really for all you all, But

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Speaker 1: I'll start with high. I wonder do you feel like

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Speaker 1: you're reaching people? Do you feel like okay, Well, if

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Speaker 1: it's one out of one hundred that's organizing out of

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Speaker 1: that hundred people, do you feel like you're tapping into somebody?

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Speaker 1: That's the first question. The second question is, we do

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Speaker 1: tend to talk about civic engagement and activism, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: these things are talked about only through the lens of voting,

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Speaker 1: which is what I was trying to ask earlier to you, Marley, like,

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Speaker 1: maybe people are out here doing all kinds of community work,

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Speaker 1: but they did not choose to vote, which doesn't take

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Speaker 1: away what they were doing in community. Some people feel like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm out here cleaning my community. I'm out here organizing

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Speaker 1: the same way, but I'm not necessarily, you know, interested

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Speaker 1: in upholding the white man's democracy. Maybe I'm maybe my

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Speaker 1: interest is somewhere else. I'm curious on where you all

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Speaker 1: stand on all that. That's how I'm starting with you,

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Speaker 1: So I.

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Speaker 3: Guess i'll ask you that that last question.

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Speaker 2: First, you know why some folks are involved in civic

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Speaker 2: engagement outside of the electoral framework, And you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, Let's look at the Hillary Clinton election, right,

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Speaker 2: roughly sixty three million votes for her, roughly sixty million

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Speaker 2: for Donald Trump, Roughly a little over one hundred million

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Speaker 2: who decided to stay home because they were disconnected from

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Speaker 2: the systems that told them to go vote. When you

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Speaker 2: talk about, you know, the pandemic, the stimulus check that

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Speaker 2: a lot of folks received, that represented the most direct

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Speaker 2: interaction that folks have had with Washington around the country.

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Speaker 2: For a lot of folks the first time where they say,

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Speaker 2: you know, I can actually see what was reflected in

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Speaker 2: Washington back here.

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Speaker 3: But up until that point, they had realized what we.

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Speaker 2: Often emphasized it organizes, is that it starts at home

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Speaker 2: and you build your consentu circle out from there, you're

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Speaker 2: building your community. You're going to your PTA meetings, You're

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Speaker 2: making sure your neighborhood is clean if you have, you know,

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Speaker 2: a housing council. You're being involved in the things that

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Speaker 2: are closest to you, because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: that is the best place to insulate yourself from the

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Speaker 2: trickle down effect of even this fascist regime. Right is

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Speaker 2: affecting sensible leadership to make sure that you're insulated locally

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Speaker 2: and then starting to be more aspirational and caring about

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Speaker 3: But I think the immediacy of.

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Speaker 2: Care has always lied with trying to take care of

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Speaker 2: the home front. And so that's a lot of what

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Speaker 2: we're seeing there with the disconnect from electoral systems as

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Speaker 3: Outside of that, the.

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Speaker 2: Other thing that you asked was about do I feel

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Speaker 3: And I would say yes, because that one person could be.

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Speaker 2: The next meat or something better than me, somebody that

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Speaker 2: get one person. Like I think that we have to

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Speaker 2: be realistic in the fact that it's not everybody's thing.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I know that folks from back in

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Speaker 2: were also the Malcolm X's and Martin Luther King's.

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Speaker 3: But like age doesn't make you that, you know, back.

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Speaker 2: In that generation, there were folks that were drinking their liquor,

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Speaker 2: There were folks that were smoking their weed. There were

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Speaker 2: folks that were doing any and everything until they got

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Speaker 2: that thing that activated them to care that said you

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Speaker 2: know what, hey, you should have some attachment here. And

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Speaker 2: it's because somebody brought it to them in their language

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Speaker 2: I did the Obama saying tan suit thing for y'all today,

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Speaker 2: But like I need a hoodie for sha, I need

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Speaker 2: Brody in the hoodie. I need Brody with the skull

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Speaker 2: cap because he's gonna go and talk to folks and

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Speaker 2: have different conversations with people that I won't meet. But

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Speaker 2: if I can get him to meet me, to respect me,

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Speaker 2: and to take this information and download it and pass

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Speaker 2: it on, then me meeting that one person right there

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Speaker 2: might have been more effective than me meeting one hundred

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Speaker 2: people that day because he can go back and have

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Speaker 2: down and talk some high level intellectual shit to folks

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Speaker 2: who otherwise didn't care, right, and so being able to

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Speaker 2: get that one person in these respective rooms, whether it

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Speaker 2: whether it's in the faith community, I think it's important

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Speaker 2: that we try to build that one.

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Speaker 3: In each of these communities because of we can.

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Speaker 2: Get that one to act as an ambassador for ideas

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Speaker 2: to act as an ambassador for this good fight that

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Speaker 2: we're going to raise the army for it.

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Speaker 4: For sure, I think you're spot on, tie, and I

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Speaker 4: think you know, we reach people by recognizing that the revolution,

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Speaker 4: the road to the revolution isn't linear. Right Like during

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Speaker 4: the Civil Rights movement, there were young people who weren't

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Speaker 4: always on the front lines and didn't always have the

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Speaker 4: bullhorn in the mic, but best believe they're recording and

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Speaker 4: writing and documenting and archiving. I mean, there were artists

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Speaker 4: whose music was their fight, you know, the musicians whose

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Speaker 4: instruments was their fight. There are some who are making

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Speaker 4: calls spreading awareness, which is now our version of social media. Right,

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Speaker 4: So we have to be okay with understanding that our

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Speaker 4: gifts are different, our passions are different, but that doesn't

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Speaker 4: make it any less effective when fighting white supremacy because

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Speaker 4: it is quite literally rooted in everything we do. You know,

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Speaker 4: like some folks are migrating back to the South and

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Speaker 4: reclaiming land and starting like farms, y'all, like shout out Briebaker,

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Speaker 4: readhear book rooted. But you can't tell me that that's

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Speaker 4: not a form of resistance.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: We each have our role to play, and we have

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Speaker 4: to accept that it looks different, you know. So we

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Speaker 4: reach people by acknowledging that all skills are welcome. We

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Speaker 4: reach people by acknowledging that all of your talents are welcome,

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Speaker 4: that you know, the folks who are the support team

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Speaker 4: who bring the milk and water for tear gas to

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Speaker 4: protest that you are important, where the comms team that

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Speaker 4: makes the graphics. Everyone has a role. Everyone has a

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Speaker 4: place in this movement, you know. And so not every

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Speaker 4: young person is going to say if we don't get it,

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Speaker 4: shut it down, which is my favorite, you know. But

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Speaker 4: some people are saying, well, if we don't get it,

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Speaker 4: how do we create it for ourselves?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: And that method of fighting back looks different than what

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Speaker 4: we're used to seeing, and which is why it's so jarring,

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Speaker 4: and which is why it feels like young people are

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Speaker 4: too zen and to relax for this movement. But I

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Speaker 4: don't think it makes it any less effective. I think

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Speaker 4: black joy in and of itself is resistance, and we

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Speaker 4: can't just say that and then get upset when we

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I love everything you guys are saying, and

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you it kind of puts me

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Speaker 1: in the mind Spain's. My friends and I joke a

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Speaker 1: lot where we talk about music because this has always

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: James Baldwin had some challenges with how Martin Luther King

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Speaker 1: was moving, you know. And I remember listening to music that,

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Speaker 1: you know, my uncles and my parents they were like,

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Speaker 1: oh girl, that ain't no music. You know, this real music.

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Speaker 1: But on the Temptations, this real music. And so we

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Speaker 1: joke that young people someday will be what y'all listening to,

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Speaker 1: man mios migo, some real music, and it's just the

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Speaker 1: way generations go, you know. So, and I just want

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Speaker 1: to be clear. I don't think any of us, you know,

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Speaker 1: But I do think that there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who are disenfranchised. I can't remember who said something

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Speaker 1: about hope. Maybe it was my life, but yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna just tell you I feel hopeless. Somebody in the

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Speaker 1: comments like I'm tired of timany feeling so doom and groom.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I got gotta hear y'all, because I'm

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Speaker 1: tired of feeling doom and gloom. But hearing you all talk,

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Speaker 1: it does give me hope that you're out there doing

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I don't hear that from a lot

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Speaker 5: Well, you should feel hopeful.

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Speaker 1: I just have the words to say, please fight, Please

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Speaker 1: get in the please at least get in the fight,

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Speaker 1: because what we're seeing right now is just so frightening.

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Speaker 1: So I just I want to just say thank you

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Speaker 1: to you guys for being so passionate. And I think

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Speaker 1: what I love most is your authenticity. Ty I don't

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Speaker 1: know where you are. I feel like you from the South,

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Speaker 1: and if okay, I'm gonna find you, Tief you, I

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Speaker 6: Gonna say, you know one thing that I think is important.

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Speaker 6: There were a number of you, or all three of

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Speaker 6: you brought up at some point mentorship or the disconnect

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Speaker 6: between one generation to the next. If you be sure

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Speaker 6: you said, if you pass the baton, that means you

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Speaker 6: gotta leg go of the other end, all of which

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Speaker 6: I think are very powerful. I think my point of

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Speaker 6: privilege is I have a ton of mentors. I say

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Speaker 6: it takes a village to raise a child. That that's

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Speaker 6: the one we know. But I say it takes a

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Speaker 6: village to sustain an adult, and I really believe that.

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Speaker 6: But I'm I'm challenged by what you all are sharing

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Speaker 6: around mentorship, and I really want to hear about how

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Speaker 6: my generation can do better by gen z, what are

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Speaker 6: the things that you guys feel like can be done.

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Speaker 6: I think to aspire folks that are that need to

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Speaker 6: be hopeful about even getting support from us, Like maybe

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Speaker 6: like we don't want to apply the same tactics, but

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Speaker 6: you know, we do want to learn from the mistakes

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Speaker 6: you made. I'm spending a lot of time right now

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Speaker 6: with folks who are a part of organizing Gary and

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Speaker 6: Deanna and seventy two and attend it.

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Speaker 5: I want to learn what they got right, what did

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Speaker 5: they get wrong?

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Speaker 6: So Marley, I'll start with you because your publicist is

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Speaker 6: saying you do actually have to go, So I'm going

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Speaker 6: to start with you and then we'll go on.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think I really appreciate asking like

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Speaker 7: And I think mentors should. We can help each other

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Speaker 6: There was a point that we've been wrestling with quite

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Speaker 2: All of this stuff that we do to kind of

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Speaker 2: And like, I think because Victoria made this point earlier,

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Speaker 3: I mean a soldier that goes to battle needs.

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Speaker 2: Part of that is sustaining rest. I do think, however, though,

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Speaker 3: And I don't want people to like cause I do age.

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Speaker 2: I do believe to your point that there's a lot

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Speaker 2: I mean, who's not going to pick that position? I

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like anybody would just say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: That's it because I come from a family of workers.

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Speaker 2: My mother just became American in two thousand and all

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Speaker 3: Here in America. She couldn't rest, so the idea that

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Speaker 2: We got to get a little bit more realistic and

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Speaker 5: Awful Victoria, you have thoughts on that. I do.

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Speaker 4: You know, like, how do you fight for your people

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Speaker 4: absolutely nothing is never the answer, but taking care of

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Speaker 4: yourself after showing up is important. Burnout is a real thing, y'all. Like,

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Speaker 1: I think because to Andrew's point, like we're not so

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Speaker 8: And he said, you know what.

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Speaker 8: Sudden you look up and it's like, not going to

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Speaker 1: including the Congressional Black Caucus, will die in their seats,

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Speaker 1: that we are not seeing up a generation behind them

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Speaker 1: and some of our elders in the movement. You know,

439
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Speaker 1: it is like it's a tug of war instead of

440
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Speaker 1: a baton pass. And so I do hear that because

441
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Speaker 1: we've had those complaints in our days, and sometimes we

442
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Speaker 1: may still have those complaints because there's still a generation

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Speaker 1: above us. So at minimum, I'm happy that we're having

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Speaker 1: this exchange of ideas and ideology. And like Angela said,

445
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Speaker 1: this is a space that is open, is a conversation.

446
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Speaker 1: If I say something you don't agree with, I want

447
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Speaker 1: to hear. That only makes me a smarter person, a

448
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Speaker 1: more aware person. So this is really a lot about

449
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Speaker 1: listening for us, and that's why we've had more questions

450
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Speaker 1: than we did comments this episode. So I really appreciate

451
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Speaker 1: you guys participating.

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Speaker 6: I do want to say too to that sorry Vics

453
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Speaker 6: or this midl this is what thing just for you

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Speaker 6: to consider in your remarks.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 6: We're now the Sandwich generation, right. Some of us have

457
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Speaker 6: kids that are taking care of and we have elders

458
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Speaker 6: that were taken care of. And I think I'm much

459
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Speaker 6: more sensitive to how our elders are treated in our community.

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Speaker 6: I think we most of us hold them in high regard,

461
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Speaker 6: but I think rit large when I look at Asian cultures,

462
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Speaker 6: they hold their elders in a little bit more high regard.

463
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Speaker 6: And I just I think that it's important as we

464
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Speaker 6: talk about this that we figure out where the gaps

465
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Speaker 6: might be, because they're not intentional, they're blind spots, and

466
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Speaker 6: I think there's a distinction. So as you all get

467
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Speaker 6: ready to offer your closing. And Andrew somebody that started

468
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Speaker 6: something for young elected officials, a Young Elected Officials network

469
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Speaker 6: has been leading since before fam USGA. But high school

470
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Speaker 6: student body president. He knows little bit about this world

471
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Speaker 6: war world and pathway too, and I think he's someone

472
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Speaker 6: that y'all should pick.

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Speaker 5: You should pick his brain. He's a good mentor.

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Speaker 8: Well, we'll make space and time and room for that.

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Speaker 8: You all. Should you honor me with any request or

476
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Speaker 8: information to be passed on, I'm happy to do it.

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Speaker 8: I am. I'm not a believer that we did it

478
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Speaker 8: the best. Uh, when we were at your age trying

479
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Speaker 8: to build and and and and experience what it is

480
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Speaker 8: to live a freer life and a more just life.

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Speaker 8: And the generation before us, God knows, they will self

482
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Speaker 8: admit that they they dropped the ball for for a lot.

483
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Speaker 8: But just as new organizers came on from the phone

484
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Speaker 8: tree and said to the to the to the elders.

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Speaker 8: We have emails. Now, we can send emails, but that's

486
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Speaker 8: not the same thing going and and phone tree in

487
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Speaker 8: them and calling them. You don't, you know, get the

488
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Speaker 8: same touch point. Well, you know what, the generation doesn't

489
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Speaker 8: require that right now. They require something different. So you

490
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Speaker 8: know there's value to it. And I just want you

491
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Speaker 8: to know, I hope you never think of yourselves as

492
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Speaker 8: not being relevant or seen or heard, because almost in

493
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Speaker 8: every space I've been in, it's almost been from the

494
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Speaker 8: mouth of babes, the youth of the space that get

495
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Speaker 8: us really most uncomfortable in those rooms because they harken

496
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Speaker 8: us to a place where we had the freedom to

497
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Speaker 8: imagine and re imagine. And I think what you all

498
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Speaker 8: remind us of is as we get older, some of

499
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Speaker 8: that gets lost when you get beat down repetitively by

500
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Speaker 8: a system that says, regardless of what you do, this

501
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Speaker 8: is unshakable. Like a tree planet by the water, it

502
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Speaker 8: won't be moved. And you all remind us that man,

503
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Speaker 8: that spark is still there, and you just you just

504
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Speaker 8: relt it again for me, right And in many ways

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Speaker 8: this conversation has ReLit it again for me that we

506
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Speaker 8: got to do better than top down. We're all equal,

507
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Speaker 8: and all of us are, you know, swimming backwards upstream

508
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Speaker 8: with the way of the world flowing down, and we

509
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Speaker 8: can't survive this alone. So I'm looking forward to the partnership.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, But I think we should do this on the

512
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Speaker 1: regular I don't know how my co hosts feel about it,

513
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Speaker 1: but I do think it's important, right. I think we

514
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Speaker 1: should have younger voices here regularly, even if it's right,

515
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Speaker 1: because even if it's something that we said when you

516
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Speaker 1: all weren't here and you hear it and you're like,

517
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Speaker 1: I don't like what Tiffany said, or I didn't agree

518
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Speaker 1: with what Andrew said, or I got a challenge with

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Speaker 1: what Angel will say. Like I think because we've been

520
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Speaker 1: so intentional about saying welcome home, because this is your

521
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Speaker 1: home too. I mean, we would love to have you

522
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Speaker 1: guys back, other young folks, and I quite frankly would

523
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Speaker 1: like to hear from young people who are some of

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Speaker 1: the people I know who are like, yeah, I don't

525
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Speaker 1: I'm not really doing any activism, you know, and no

526
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Speaker 1: I'm apathetic and I'm not really into it. And because

527
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Speaker 1: they too deserve a voice, and I think we have

528
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Speaker 1: to stop attaching value to people based on if you voted,

529
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Speaker 1: or based on if you are organizing. You know, it's

530
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Speaker 1: like no, like your pain, your apathy, your tiredness, all

531
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Speaker 1: of that matters too. And in our community, we're not transactional.

532
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Speaker 1: We love you just because you exist, just because you're

533
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Speaker 1: ours and we're yours. So I don't want anybody to

534
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Speaker 1: misunderstand thinking that I'm addressing you and assessing you by

535
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Speaker 1: what you're given to community. I hope that we encourage

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Speaker 1: people to And I definitely agree with you about the

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Speaker 1: nails and the lashes, because I'm not gonna lie. If

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Speaker 1: somebody was coming to interview with me and they had

539
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Speaker 1: nails and lashes and I would I would have an

540
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Speaker 1: opinion about it, you know, I would think, well, my

541
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Speaker 1: opinion would be well on this podcast's Victoria. He said,

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Speaker 1: what can I just hear Andrews College. Oh my god,

543
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Speaker 1: let's the Victorian close this out with your part.

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Speaker 5: It remarks, y'all go ahead.

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Speaker 1: And they might have CTAs.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we do.

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Speaker 1: You're right, We'll be right back on the other side

548
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Speaker 1: of this break are calls to action. Stay tuned.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, I'm going to go after them. So I'll

550
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Speaker 6: go Victoria tie.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, first, I do want to well, one, Timmy,

552
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Speaker 1: I want to say that I love you some long

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Speaker 1: nails and long hair. And actually just had a conversation

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Speaker 1: with my mom, Miss Mary Panel. Just had a conversation

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Speaker 1: with my mom literally yesterday, and she was like, why

556
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Speaker 1: do I will look at you funny too if you

557
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: came with your long and we go back and forth

558
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Speaker 1: all the time. She says, we s have our own

559
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 1: podcast because we literally talk about this all the time.

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Speaker 1: Your mom is welcome to come.

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Speaker 4: But I will say one, I am a firm believer

562
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Speaker 4: in giving people their flowers while they're here and while

563
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Speaker 4: they're in front of you, And so I do want

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Speaker 4: to say one, I'm thankful to all of you for

565
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Speaker 4: creating a space for young people because oftentimes we do

566
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Speaker 4: not have that space. We have to create it for ourselves.

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Speaker 4: And so one, I'm grateful, and then two, I also think,

568
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Speaker 4: you know, when people think of mentorship, I think people

569
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Speaker 4: think it means you have to, you know, do the

570
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Speaker 4: most for someone, and I think you should. I think

571
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Speaker 4: mentors should always do the most for their mentees. However,

572
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 4: sometimes doing the most looks like speaking life into someone

573
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Speaker 4: and you don't know what that can do. And I

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Speaker 4: just wanted to say, you know, to Angela too, thank

575
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Speaker 4: you because you called me yesterday or was it the

576
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Speaker 4: day we'll probably remember, but I don't even think you

577
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Speaker 4: realize what you did for me by speaking life into me.

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Speaker 3: And that means so much.

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Speaker 4: And I'm trying not to cry. I'm emotional, but that's

580
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Speaker 4: so important because a lot of these young people need

581
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Speaker 4: someone to speak life into them, our young Black men,

582
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Speaker 4: our young black women. I mean, all wes see on

583
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Speaker 4: television is how we're not enough. All we see on

584
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Speaker 4: television is how we're not doing what we're supposed to

585
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Speaker 4: be doing and how we're not showing up. And so

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Speaker 4: sometimes that what we need is just someone to speak

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Speaker 4: life into us. So tell us that we're great, to

588
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Speaker 4: tell us that we're gifted, we're talented in any way

589
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Speaker 4: that we show up, we're worthy of being in this space.

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Speaker 4: And that's so important. Angela, you did that for me

591
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Speaker 4: a couple of days ago. Tamika, my mentor, does that

592
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Speaker 4: for me all the time, and I'm so and pushes

593
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Speaker 4: me into spaces, you know, like pushes me and opens

594
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Speaker 4: doors that I wouldn't be able to open for myself,

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Speaker 4: and so I'm grateful for that, and I think a

596
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Speaker 4: lot of other young people would be grateful to have

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Speaker 4: mentors like that who do that for them. But just

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Speaker 4: you know, I think my call to action for young

599
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Speaker 4: people is is don't be afraid to listen. You know,

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Speaker 4: I have such respect for my elders. I'm actually working

601
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Speaker 4: on a project called a Love Letter to Harlem, and

602
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Speaker 4: I plan on going home and interviewing all of my

603
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Speaker 4: elders and native folks to Harlem and just hearing their

604
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Speaker 4: thoughts about their history and the things that they've lived through,

605
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 4: lived experiences. We cannot be afraid to sometimes just open

606
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Speaker 4: our ears and listen, because y'all, we can be hard headed,

607
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Speaker 4: and I know that because I'm hard headed, and so

608
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Speaker 4: sometimes sometimes you just have to listen because you never

609
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Speaker 4: know what you can hear, you never know what you learn,

610
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Speaker 4: and that's how you that is how you create greatness.

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Speaker 4: And so that is my call to action. And then

612
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Speaker 4: my call to action for the older generation is to

613
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Speaker 4: take us.

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Speaker 5: Under your wing.

615
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Speaker 4: You know, if we ain't doing it right, show us,

616
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Speaker 4: but also be open to us showing you how we've

617
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 4: now learned to do things, because it looks different. You know,

618
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: listen to us and don't dismiss us.

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Speaker 5: I love it. It's beautiful.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Ty in the khaki suit, in the tan suit,

621
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Speaker 6: in his Obama suit.

622
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Speaker 3: And an Obama thing. I'm telling your spring time.

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Speaker 8: A scandal was a scandal.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just want to say thank you, guys. I

625
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Speaker 3: mean to echo some of Victoria's sentiments.

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Speaker 2: You know, you guys are each and every one of

627
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Speaker 2: you thought leaders, folks who I've received sound bites from,

628
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: and and just you know, started conversations with my folks

629
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Speaker 2: trying to get that dialogue.

630
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Speaker 3: Started trying to grow the table that we're talking about growing.

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Speaker 2: So just appreciate you guys for vailing the space for

632
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, letting us you know, letting us pop it

633
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Speaker 2: on here real quick.

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Speaker 3: I definitely appreciate that.

635
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: Definitely gonna take it all up on diversifying those voices too,

636
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: because you know, I got to the point of even

637
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: this judgment that we had around the nails or whatever.

638
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: I got some folks that, you know, if my auntie's

639
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: in them song, oh that's the yn or that's the whatever.

640
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: But like, these are the same folks that's gonna quote

641
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Speaker 2: Socrates from behind that ski mask.

642
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Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying. They got a lot of

643
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: respecial with death that you don't see at phase value.

644
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Speaker 2: And I mean, even me, a lot of what I

645
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Speaker 2: do is built to sort of disarm the facts.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to show up in a particular way.

647
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Speaker 2: Right Like I graduated from high school when I was

648
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Speaker 2: thirteen years old.

649
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: I got my bachelor's degree at fifteen. I got my

650
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Speaker 3: master's at seventeen. And everywhere that I go for a speech,

651
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Speaker 3: I try to wear a hoodie. I try to wear

652
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Speaker 3: the phone politics.

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Speaker 2: I try to wear the Jordan's because we don't need

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Speaker 2: to equate success with the tan suit. I can show

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Speaker 2: up in that hoodie and still have the same intellectual

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Speaker 2: talking points.

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Speaker 3: And so that's just the you know what I'm saying

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Speaker 3: my closure remarks there. As far as a call.

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Speaker 2: To action, I think the big thing for me here

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Speaker 2: is that we have to start clinging to a new.

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Speaker 3: Narrative about our folks, all of us. That's an intergenerational thing.

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Speaker 2: We have to choose different narratives that we want to

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Speaker 2: empower about our people. Cleaning and narrative of disempowerment is

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Speaker 2: a disservice to our ancestors who did the fighting to

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Speaker 2: get us here. We can talk about crabs in the

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Speaker 2: barrels and excuse for why crime looks the way it

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Speaker 2: does in some of our.

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Speaker 3: Cities and this and that.

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Speaker 2: But if we can own that generational trauma in all

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Speaker 2: of its effects, we also have to own the generational

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Speaker 2: bravery that got us here.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: We also have to understand that we're the descendants of

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Speaker 2: folks who read by candlelight knowing that death was on

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Speaker 2: the other side of it. It got caught, like we

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Speaker 2: are the descendants of those who created secret networks to

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Speaker 2: get us to freedom. We come from that. We have

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Speaker 2: to honor that by living it. So that's my call

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Speaker 2: to black people in general. And then I have a

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Speaker 2: call to the faith community because Marley said something that

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Speaker 2: really hit and it was about growing the table, how she,

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Speaker 2: as a queer person, felt disenfranchised. I have a little

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Speaker 2: sister that's gay. I don't have to subscribe to her

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Speaker 2: lifestyle or fully understand its, know that I love her

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Speaker 2: and to know that I respect her existence.

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Speaker 3: And if the Black church really.

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Speaker 2: Wants to heal our community, it has to start by

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Speaker 2: making sure that nobody is walking away thinking that they're

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Speaker 2: hated by the very God that we're saying created them.

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Speaker 2: It's not compromised, it's compassion. It's not watering down the

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Speaker 2: word because I grew up in church. It's walking it

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Speaker 2: out the way that we said Christ did with open arms,

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Speaker 2: with an open heart. Another thing about faith, too, is

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Speaker 2: that faith sometimes puts us in a lull. Like there

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Speaker 2: was just this viral clip going on about some passes somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Black men need to obey the police, and there's a

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Speaker 3: whole other episode we can get into about what that

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Speaker 3: is right. But like.

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Speaker 2: For so long, faith has been used as a point

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Speaker 2: of strength, but in many ways it's a point of weakness.

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Speaker 2: And it's important for us to remember that faith with

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Speaker 2: that works is dead, like going to the Book of James.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, my dad got that Master's of Divinity,

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Speaker 2: great Grandpa before him.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. We are rooted in this

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Speaker 3: church thing. I live that it's a blueprint for how

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Speaker 3: I move in the world.

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Speaker 2: But faith has to be paired with action, Like believing

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Speaker 2: in God should compel us to do the things that

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Speaker 2: we believe God would want us to do. Faith is

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Speaker 2: the engine and work has to be the wheels. So,

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Speaker 2: if we believe in a God of justice, why are

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Speaker 2: we not fighting for justice? If we believe that we're

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Speaker 2: making the image of a creator, why are we not

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Speaker 2: fighting to create new things like to honor God fully?

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Speaker 2: We have to show up and live out what we

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Speaker 2: think God is, who we think God is. Stop telling

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Speaker 2: me about the God that that inspired Jesus to turn

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Speaker 2: the other cheek.

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Speaker 3: Let's start talking more contemporarily relevant.

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Speaker 2: About the Jesus who flipped the table when governance was

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Speaker 2: not serving the people, when it was unjust. Let's start

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Speaker 2: having conversations that are tethered to where we need to

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Speaker 2: be right. Because faith can free us or it can

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Speaker 2: lock us away, and it is up to our faith leaders,

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Speaker 2: to our community pillars to decide what that will be

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Speaker 2: for us moving forward. We've seen what it can be,

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Speaker 2: Like I said, we've seen it as an anchor of movements.

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Speaker 2: So if we want it to be something more, that

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Speaker 2: is a conscious choice that our faith leaders are going

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Speaker 2: to have to make in concert with community leaders. Go

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Speaker 2: find that why in and maybe you don't value otherwise,

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Speaker 2: figure out what it takes to get him and his

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Speaker 2: folks as members of your congregation.

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Speaker 3: We have to grow the table. But in order to

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Speaker 3: grow the table, we had to truly be committed to

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Speaker 3: the idea that everybody deserves to see.

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Speaker 9: There.

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Speaker 3: That's it. That's all.

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Speaker 5: Now open from both.

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Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be quick Angela because I have a

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Speaker 1: feeling I might know what Angela's called CTA is, So

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Speaker 1: I'll be really quick. And I'm pulling my CTA from

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Speaker 1: the luminary Nicole Hannah Jones who posted this, and I

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Speaker 1: thought it was so poignan for our times. And she said, folks,

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Speaker 1: there is only so much you can learn from social media.

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Speaker 1: There's only so much social media can teach you. Now

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Speaker 1: is the time for reading. So my CTA is read something,

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Speaker 1: read something this week. Not it could be a think piece,

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Speaker 1: but read a book. Read a book. And if you

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Speaker 1: are reading something good. A lot of people were in

752
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Speaker 1: the comments asked me what was the book you reference?

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Speaker 1: It was The Poison with Bible. If you are reading

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Speaker 1: something good and think I need to read it, how

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Speaker 1: at me drop me a comment, let me know what's

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Speaker 1: what's on your list of reading. That's my only CTA,

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00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: just real quick, just on the famous book, Timmy, you

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Speaker 1: just said that I actually have a book coming out

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Speaker 1: my birthday at June seventeen, I turned thirty three.

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00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: The book is coming out June eighteenth. The book is

761
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: going to be called The Fire right now. It's gonna

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00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 2: be in a moge to James baldw The Fire Next Time,

763
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: which is really just a social commentary about that. I

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Speaker 2: would love to get you guys copies. So I'm gonna

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00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: as soon as we get over this, I'm gonna send

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00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: you all the man would love to have you guys

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00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: read over it. But yeah, that's that's it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna read.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's amazing and I can't wait to read it.

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Speaker 5: What publisher you are?

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00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna independently publish it right now. I know.

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00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: I'm putting it on Amazon. Give me that.

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00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 6: Don't do that, give me that, No, don't do that.

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00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 6: Give me the manuscript. I gotta I got two imprints.

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Speaker 6: I want to send that too.

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00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 5: Let's let's talk about vatory connectors.

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Speaker 6: Before you sound it's too hard in our humble opinion,

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Speaker 6: let's door connected.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna gethim to.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna get him to. Leonard tiff is really the expert.

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Speaker 6: I got a book manuscript and sit in my backpack

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00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 6: for three months. That's another story. But Leonard has an

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Speaker 6: imprint and so does Kent even Candy, so let's get

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Speaker 6: that to both of them at least might call to

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Speaker 6: action before I do that. There's something that's just on

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Speaker 6: my heart. Yesterday Chloe, who does a lot of our.

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Speaker 5: Social media with Ange.

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Speaker 6: Chloe's been running point on social medias and common Strategy

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Speaker 6: first State of the People in tandem with It's about

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Speaker 6: twenty five committee members, but Chloe has been drowning in

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Speaker 6: the amount of graphics.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 6: There's a number of people supporting, but I was like, Chloe,

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Speaker 6: do a crash course. Some of these people are good,

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Speaker 6: but that you need to get them to your level

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Speaker 6: or they just might want to sharpen tactics. You know,

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00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 6: things change so fastly, fast, so quickly. And Chloe did

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Speaker 6: a crash course yesterday. Fifteen young people showed up. Me

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Speaker 6: and Vince Andrew crashed it and I missed most of

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Speaker 6: it because we were onboarding the LA leads for the

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Speaker 6: State of the.

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Speaker 5: People Power Tour.

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Speaker 6: On the end of the call, I got so emotional

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Speaker 6: because I was thinking about Chloe being in the professional

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00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 6: development program, where Andrew and Tip have also participated. It's

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00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 6: our opportunity to train young people in several areas public policy, podcasting, media,

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00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 6: other areas. In pr we mentor them, we give them

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00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 6: the tools. There are gurus that participate in that program.

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00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 6: Chloe has been in that program now since last February,

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00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 6: and it's by choice, it's not by forrest every semester.

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Speaker 6: But Chloe when she started was very shy, very reserved.

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00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 6: In the process, lost her father and kept and wanted

813
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 6: to keep working around Marylyn Moseby's petition in particular, she

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00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 6: Dovan was doing a ton of work and on this

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00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 6: particular project with State of the People, I've seen a

816
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 6: different side of Chloe, a clear communicator, a confident soul, beautiful, gracious,

817
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 6: patient soul, and I'm seeing a tremendous leader, like a

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Speaker 6: tremendous leader. And she led this graphics course yesterday and

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Speaker 6: I missed most of it, but at the end, I

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00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 6: just felt so much pride. And I'm about to cry

821
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 6: again now because to me, that's what this movement is about.

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Speaker 6: You all coming on here, that is what it's about.

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00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 6: When we go into these ten cities. That is the

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00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 6: type of community coalescing that has to happen for our

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00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 6: survival right now. And so I just would ask, whatever

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Speaker 6: your gift is, whatever you put your hand to do,

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Speaker 6: whatever your brain moves you to do, whatever gifting you have,

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Speaker 6: come and be a part of this broader.

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Speaker 5: Community that we're building.

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Speaker 6: And we go into cities on the ground, starting in

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Speaker 6: Atlanta on April twenty six, be a part, like no

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00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 6: gift is too small, No gift is too large. Ti,

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00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 6: we need you on the stage. I'm gonna talk to

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Speaker 6: Victory about that too. You are a necessary part of this.

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Speaker 6: And we to Tip's point earlier, she knows I'm gonna

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00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 6: say it, we do need more young people involved. We

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Speaker 6: want to get this right. We need our elders involved.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to brush over. We need our veterans involved.

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Speaker 6: We are engaging all parts of the black population on

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Speaker 6: the black papers right sharing policy ideas. We have black

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Speaker 6: papers dropping every single week. We need y'all's experience and intelligence.

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Speaker 6: It's and brilliance there. It is state of the PPL

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Speaker 6: like literally because y'all know it's too many domains now,

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Speaker 6: Native lampod as we're figuring out right now which tour

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Speaker 5: Guys. We need you, We need you, We need you.

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Speaker 6: This this conversation was amazing and we extend the rest

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Speaker 6: of y'all. Please send in your comments, your videos.

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Speaker 6: and so Kim Marley. We hate Marley had to drop,

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Speaker 6: but thank you so much, thank.

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Speaker 8: You for everything you.

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Speaker 1: How many days the midterms.

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