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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Was missing Mom Niki Chang's body moved as we go

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Speaker 2: to air, warrants going down. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: All break in the case of missing California mom Nikki Chang.

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Speaker 3: Official say Nikki is a victim of homicide.

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Speaker 2: That is a major development in the search for Niki Chang.

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Speaker 1: As warrants are going down.

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Speaker 2: The theory, one of the working theories, is that Nicky's

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Speaker 2: body may have been moved from one location law enforcement

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Speaker 2: is looking at to another.

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Speaker 4: Listen, senior efforts to get my health by my phone.

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Speaker 5: We miss you.

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Speaker 1: Well, look what the cat's dragged in.

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Speaker 2: Nicky has been missing and now suddenly her husband makes

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Speaker 2: a statement.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: That's Tyler McCain. I'm Tyler McCain, the husband of Nicki McCain. First,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to thank the Sheriff's office and the FBI

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Speaker 2: for getting involved. Anything to bring my wife home. How

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Speaker 2: about you going out to look for her? Just a suggestion.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to more of Tyler McCain in

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Speaker 2: his first public statement regarding the disappearance of his wife, Nicki.

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Speaker 4: I do really know what safe.

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Speaker 5: I haven't been in the other guys, and I've been

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Speaker 5: done very well with algenis everyone, especially my children anyway,

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Speaker 5: mine well as well.

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Speaker 6: I'm just hearing the part of a centure.

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Speaker 5: Any anything that I can do I want to ask about.

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Speaker 2: Okay, why is he apologizing? That's that's curious. Why is

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Speaker 2: he apologizing for what A apologized to everyone, especially my children,

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Speaker 2: my wife's.

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Speaker 1: Family, mine as well.

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Speaker 2: I'm here to support, So anything I can do, I

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Speaker 2: want to do that, really, Okay? Joining me an all

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Speaker 2: Star panel to make sense of what we know right now?

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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Chloe Ceiling.

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Speaker 2: This is Nicky's sister joining me in addition to our

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Speaker 2: All Star panel are Chloe and Kay Nicky's sisters. To

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Speaker 2: Chloe as the warrants were going down or about.

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Speaker 1: To go down.

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Speaker 2: Is it true that you met with Tyler McCain and

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Speaker 2: if so, what happened because the last time you and

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Speaker 2: I talked.

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Speaker 1: He was not in communication issue with Nikki's family.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the night before the raid happened, he actually reached

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Speaker 7: out to my brother and wanted to talk to my brother.

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Speaker 7: And after him and Tyler talked, me and my sister realized,

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Speaker 7: wait a second, we need to go talk to Tyler ourselves.

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Speaker 7: And so me and my sister Kay did go into

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Speaker 7: his home and talk to him the Thursday before the

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Speaker 7: raid happened.

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Speaker 2: And what if anything did he say of any substance?

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Speaker 2: You know what, forget of any substance? What did he say?

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Speaker 7: He was sticking to his story for a little bit.

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Speaker 7: I thought that he was going to break. He did

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Speaker 7: seem emotional and emotional, but then there was a time

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Speaker 7: where Kay did get a little bit confrontational. I understand

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Speaker 7: she just wanted some answers, and he did kind of

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Speaker 7: smirk at her as well too, so he still kind

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Speaker 7: of kept that I'm not I'm not, I'm innocent and

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Speaker 7: I didn't do anything.

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Speaker 2: And again, no one has been named a person of interest,

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Speaker 2: no one has been aimed a suspect in the disappearance

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Speaker 2: of Nicki Chen, although I will say to the sisters,

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Speaker 2: it seems like I'm more interested in finding her than

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Speaker 2: he is. Of course, you can't judge a book by

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Speaker 2: its cover, you know. Steal waters run deep and all that.

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Speaker 2: But Kay Ford joining me Nicki's other sister, I refer

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Speaker 2: to them as the sisters. They have been joining me

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Speaker 2: since Nicki went missing, all trying to put her picture

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Speaker 2: out there, put the story out there, and hopefully bring

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Speaker 2: Niki home. Kay, why did you become somewhat confrontational with

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't Nesslarie say I was confrontational, but I did

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Speaker 8: get pretty direct as far as asking him some questions

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Speaker 8: and asking him for specific answers. A lot of those

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Speaker 8: There are a few a few discrepancies that we did notice,

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Speaker 8: but overall, there wasn't a whole lot that changed what

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Speaker 8: was his demaanor k You know, he had talked to

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Speaker 8: that day to talk to him. We were trying to

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Speaker 8: we get from each other as far as information got it.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you, Chloe, say, Nikki's sister, has Tyler

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Speaker 2: McCain joined.

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Speaker 1: In any of the searches to your knowledge?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 9: Not?

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Speaker 1: Did you ask him why? I'm curious.

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Speaker 7: I did ask him to come with us on the

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Speaker 7: day of Nicky's birthday. I did go out to his

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Speaker 7: house to put balloons out for Nicki and me and

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Speaker 7: my brother asked him like, hey, man, like what's going on?

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Speaker 7: Please come help us? And he said he was willing

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Speaker 7: to do whatever. And he said, yeah, he'll do whatever

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Speaker 7: to help us. But he has not offered to come

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Speaker 7: on the searches. And there's Facebook pages of people posting

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Speaker 7: I go on search us all the time, if you

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Speaker 7: want to come, please come. You guys are more than

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Speaker 7: welcome to come. And he has not taken up that

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Speaker 7: offer to come on the searches.

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Speaker 2: And isn't it true, Chloe, that he has been in communicato,

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Speaker 2: not in touch with Nicki's family during all of this.

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Speaker 7: He has not been in contact with us. It was

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Speaker 7: mostly us reaching out to him, but the only time

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Speaker 7: he reached out. Was that Thursday night when he reached

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Speaker 7: out to my brother to talk. Other than that, he.

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Speaker 1: Has not Guys.

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, the husband of Niki Chan has

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Speaker 2: spoken for the first time, and I want to analyze

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Speaker 2: his demeanor. Again, no one has been named a suspect.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at him none more than I would look

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Speaker 2: at anybody else. However, in his first public statement since

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Speaker 2: Nicki goes missing, let's take a look.

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Speaker 1: And analyze and learn what we can. Listen, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Nikki between.

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Speaker 4: The first office, get involved, any efforts to.

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Speaker 8: Get my health, my phone.

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Speaker 1: We miss you, Chloe. Does he normally stutter that much?

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Speaker 2: He usually does.

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Speaker 7: Mumble a little bit, but uh stuttering. I don't think

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Speaker 7: he stutters very much.

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Speaker 8: No, but he does mumble a.

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Speaker 1: Lot because there's a whole lot of uh uh uh.

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Speaker 2: I noticed that, and I wondered if that was a

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Speaker 2: you know, traditional characteristic of his or if he was

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Speaker 1: So does he normally do that? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Interesting?

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Speaker 2: You know. Again, no one has been named a suspect.

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Speaker 2: Guys search warrants going down. One working theory is that

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Speaker 2: Nicky's body has been moved from a relative's home to

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Speaker 2: another location.

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Speaker 1: Let me stress that's one of many working theories.

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Speaker 2: We know that bags of evidence have been taken from

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Speaker 2: some of the search locations, but again, this is not

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Speaker 2: the first time that someone has gone public begging for

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Speaker 2: the return of their loved one.

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Speaker 10: Listen, Bella, Celeste, if you're out there, just just come back.

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Speaker 10: Like if somebody has her, just please bring her back.

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Speaker 10: I need to see everybody. I need to see everybody again.

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Speaker 10: This house is not complete without anybody here.

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Speaker 2: Well, the next time he saw them was at their

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Speaker 2: funeral and he was convicted of their murder. That was

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Speaker 2: from our friends at Denver seven ABC, Chris Watts making

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Speaker 2: a I can't really even say, heartfelt.

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Speaker 1: Request for the return of his wife and children.

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Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons joining me, Director Operations of the renowned USPA

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Speaker 2: Nationwide Security. He leads a team of investigators all around

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Speaker 2: the world finding missing people. Former marine and Iraqi War

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Speaker 2: veteran Brian Fitzgibbons.

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Speaker 1: Did you just see Chris Watts and the blanking.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to give him a tissue, except I need

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Speaker 2: he was called blood of killer, so I didn't.

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Speaker 1: So did you see the blanking certainly, Nancy.

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Speaker 11: And you know when we look at Tyler McCain's statement

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Speaker 11: just the other day, Now, what a one eighty that's

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Speaker 11: taken place since the last time we saw him publicly

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Speaker 11: holding up the middle finger to Key's family outside the

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Speaker 11: Shatsa County courthouse.

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Speaker 2: Whoa wait a minute, Oh, thank you for refreshing my

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Speaker 2: recollection as we liked say in court k Ford, Nikki's sister,

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Speaker 2: did that happen? Did he actually sheet a bird at

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Speaker 2: the courthouse?

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Speaker 1: He certainly did.

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Speaker 8: As he was approaching clearly, and myself he yep, he

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Speaker 8: flipped a soft right there.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Karen Shark, psychologist, renowned TV radio trauma expert, consultant at

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Speaker 2: Karenstark dot com.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking for her, it's Karen with a C. Karen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's just say before Dwayne Kate's veteran trial lawyer

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Speaker 2: defense attorney can say it, there is no playbook for grief, okay,

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Speaker 2: second verse same as the first, feel like I'm in

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Speaker 2: my old little Methodist back home and making George where

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Speaker 2: we keep saying the same verse over and over and

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Speaker 2: over again. No playbook for grief, Okay? But shooting the

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Speaker 2: out on a limb and say that's a little bit

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Speaker 2: out there, a little bit questionable.

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Speaker 1: Beyond questionable.

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Speaker 12: We're talking about someone we know who has been accused

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Speaker 12: of domestic abuse, right, so this is a very angry,

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Speaker 12: manipulative person. I'm not the least bit of prise because

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Speaker 12: he's going to blame everybody else, not yet to what's

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Speaker 2: I mean, the bird, Karen Stark, the bird giving the finger.

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Speaker 2: Do you see these two sisters on today? They have

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Speaker 2: been leading the charge to find their sisters.

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Speaker 1: Is day one.

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Speaker 2: You know how many times I've asked him to come

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Speaker 2: on and his family to come on. They don't even

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Speaker 2: bother to reply. I find that very disturbing. Typically, when victims'

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Speaker 2: families want their love one out at the forefront, they'll

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Speaker 2: do anything anything to gain attention, to make people look.

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Speaker 2: Look at her picture, look at the tip line. Nothing

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Speaker 2: not a zip, zilch zero. It's what I get from him.

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Speaker 2: So now now he comes forward, you know what, I

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Speaker 2: don't know? Better late than never, I'm not sure about.

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Speaker 2: So let's see. There's Scott Peterson. Okay, the quintessential please

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Speaker 2: come home. Then you've got Chris Watts who just stuffed

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Speaker 2: his wife and children in oil tankers. They were about

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Speaker 2: that big around at the top and it caused the

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Speaker 2: little girl's skin to come off their arms.

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Speaker 1: Just hold that thought, and then he makes his plate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's bell in Selest right there, Shenan trying to

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Speaker 2: make the perfect home and the perfect family and the

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Speaker 2: perfect insta family.

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Speaker 1: Well she's dead.

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Speaker 2: Her little boy, Nico, died of coffin birth as she died. Okay,

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Speaker 1: To whoever has my children that they please, I mean,

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Speaker 2: To us where they belong. Okay, I cut out the

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Speaker 1: Naming pretty much?

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Speaker 2: Surely a suspect or a POY person of interest is

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Speaker 2: Chloe Kay, the sisters as I call them, Nicky's sisters, devoted,

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Speaker 1: Same pot to stew asking for help. What happened? What happened?

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Speaker 1: Where is she?

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Speaker 2: Did you see her? Did you see your truck? On

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Speaker 8: Statement, we're definitely hoping for more, whether it be what

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Speaker 8: Let us declare our innocence. That's acknowledge some of the accusations.

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Speaker 8: What was shared was very That's not what we expected.

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Speaker 7: Nikki is approximately five feet tall and she weighs about

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Speaker 7: She was allegedly last seen May eighteenth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 8: She was importedly picked up her mother in law, Jenette Hayward,

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Speaker 13: The search for Nicki Sie McCain continues, extending now onto

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Speaker 13: to search the grounds and by plane.

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Speaker 13: Nicki's sister tells local news reporters that the area is

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Speaker 13: Other parts of tribal grounds remain private due to tribal sovereignty.

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Speaker 13: Access has to be requested and granted before an area

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Speaker 3: Just weeks after missing Nikki, Chang's husband breaks his silence.

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Speaker 3: His home is raided by the FBI and officials rule

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Speaker 3: the case side what happened to Niki Chank Sale McCain.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if that press conference was used by

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Speaker 2: was at the presser. That remains to be seen, but

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Speaker 2: I'm very anxious to learn what was the PC probable

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Speaker 1: What was the return? The return on a warrant is

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Speaker 1: what if anything was seized?

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Speaker 2: And if you are a true crime aficionado like myself,

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Speaker 2: bag after bag after bag after.

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Speaker 1: Bag after bag of evidence from Rex Human's home.

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Speaker 2: That's just an example of when a treasure trope of

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 14: Detect Us with the Shasta County Sheriff's Office Major Crimes Unit,

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Speaker 14: of Investigation, served as search warrant at one seven two

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Speaker 14: seven seven Olinda Rhoade Anderson. This addresses where Nikki Chang

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Speaker 14: Sale McCain resided when she was initially reported missing my

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Speaker 14: family members on May twenty second. It was after searching

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Speaker 14: the Olinda Road property that detectives announcy was no longer

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Speaker 1: This is a homicide.

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Speaker 2: What happened inside that residence, what was found that caused

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Speaker 1: All this time we have been working under.

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Speaker 2: The belief that it was a missing person's case, and

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Speaker 2: now after that search, it was announced Nicki's case is

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Speaker 2: homicide investigation. As I said, joining me in an all

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Speaker 2: guest Sean Schwaler joining me reporter at a Newscafe dot

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Speaker 2: Com Assistant Professor at California State University. Sean, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us. Tell me about the raid on

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Speaker 6: Hi, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: So yeah.

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Speaker 6: The raid took the course of several hours on last Friday,

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Speaker 6: and FBI agents were seeing taking bags out of the home,

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Speaker 2: Sean, you specifically mentioned that tools were examined. I believe

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Speaker 2: that specifically, Sean, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Eyewitness accounts reported that there was a lot of time

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Speaker 6: spent going through tools in the garage. Now, Tyler is

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Speaker 6: and there's cars all over the property, and his garage

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Speaker 6: is filled with all kinds of tools, and officials spent

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Speaker 2: That is the last thing you want is the FBI

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Speaker 15: Nicki Sale McCain sends a text message to her sister

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Speaker 15: just after midnight on May eighteenth, saying she's driving Tyler

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Speaker 15: McCain's mother's vehicle back to his mother's home near the

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Speaker 15: Nicki and her Chevrolet Avalanche truck. Nicki has four children

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Speaker 15: and would never have left them without notice, and an

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Speaker 15: official missing person report is filed with Shasta County. The

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Speaker 15: off about their sister's suspicious disappearance were the messages they

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Speaker 15: got from her husband, Tyler McCain. Previously, when Nicky would

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Speaker 15: her sisters telling them to pass along messages to Nicki,

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 15: I think she's missing.

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Speaker 3: The mystery deepens as missing mom Niki Cheng's case becomes

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Speaker 3: a homicide investigation.

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Speaker 2: Searches going down at multiple locations. It's my understanding that

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Speaker 2: not only was Nicki chain home, her residence searched extensively,

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Speaker 2: with multiple bags of evidence removed immediately after that search.

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Speaker 2: This case was pronounced to be a homicide investigation. We

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Speaker 2: also understand that the mother in law home has also

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Speaker 2: been searched. Everybody on the panel please jump in correct

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Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong on any of these facts, because

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Speaker 2: every fact matters. Straight back out to Sean Schwaller joining me, Sean,

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Speaker 2: can we talk about the search?

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Speaker 1: Did people you said an eyewitness.

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Speaker 2: Observed the garage and the home in chief being searched.

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Speaker 2: Describe what, if anything they could tell you was take

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Speaker 6: Well, I heard that black or brown bags were several

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Speaker 6: several hours. In addition to you know, the authorities looking

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Speaker 6: are also some folks that thought that they saw infrared

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Speaker 6: Not quite sure if that happened, but there were devices

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Speaker 1: I wonder what they meant by infrared kits.

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Speaker 2: To Brian fitz gibbons Is joining me, Director Operations usp

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Speaker 2: A Nationwide Security Because when you use illuminol, it's not

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Speaker 1: It's more like spray ball of lysol. That's what it is.

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Speaker 2: You spray illuminol onto surfaces, the floor, the walls, and

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Speaker 2: the iron in blood reacts to the iluminol and it

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Speaker 2: glows like a blue glow. That's how it's actually very

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Speaker 2: specialized flashlight to see the blue shine. But what do

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Speaker 2: you believe that could possibly have been when the witness

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Speaker 1: Fingerprint kit?

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Speaker 11: This could be any number of things, Nancy, And what

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Speaker 11: it likely what these passers by were likely seeing were

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Speaker 11: You know, there's a number of new technologies out there that,

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Speaker 2: Know, Brian Pitsgibbons, you would think by now most people,

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Speaker 2: know this very very difficult to destroy DNA deoxyribon nucleic acid.

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Speaker 2: You can't just clean it away with let's just say

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Speaker 2: You need something that has muriatic acids, such as like

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Speaker 2: you've got to really work at getting rid of DNA,

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Speaker 2: and you got to really work.

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Speaker 1: To get rid of any evidence of a cleanup.

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Speaker 2: If there is blood, a simple spray with luminol will

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Speaker 1: Okay, just pretend you've got.

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Speaker 2: Mud on the floor and you take a paper towel

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Speaker 2: and you do it like that. That's what it looks

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you're right about what the witness

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Speaker 2: Infrared kit fingerprints. Yeah, not very helpful because Nikki's prince

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Speaker 2: would be there, the husband's prince would be there, thousands

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Speaker 2: to isolate prints of any probative nature. Back to you,

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Speaker 2: Sean Schwaler, So many many bags you stated brown or

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it sounded like that. Either that or big brown

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Speaker 2: Multiple I would have expected paper bags. Critical subtle, but

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Speaker 9: Listen, A ten thousand dollars reward is established and missing

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Speaker 9: the Chevy Avalanche that Nikki Sale McCain has been driving

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Speaker 9: is found abandoned in western Taheima County.

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Speaker 7: I think she was afraid, so she wanted to be

446
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Speaker 7: I'm your older sister and I'm okay, and she didn't want.

447
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Speaker 1: To scare me.

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Speaker 8: We didn't know to which degree it had escalated. The

449
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Speaker 8: incident in December was definitely eye opened it for us.

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Speaker 1: But she was so terrified, and with good reason.

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Speaker 2: When the sisters refer to a previous incident, that's really

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Speaker 2: where this story starts.

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Speaker 15: Listen, Wednesday night, around eight thirty, Nikki Sale McCain is

454
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Speaker 15: in her bedroom combing her hair. Her husband of thirteen years,

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Speaker 15: Tyler McCain arrives home in a strange mood for no

456
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Speaker 15: appairent reason. Tyler McCain aggressively jumps on top of nik

457
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Speaker 15: holding her on the ground, then dragging her around, yelling

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Speaker 15: what are you doing? Nicki says, Tyler McCain's eyes are

459
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 15: glazed over. Nicky tries calming her husband, but it doesn't work,

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Speaker 15: and he holds her down and begins hitting her in

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Speaker 15: the face. The terror escalates over a three hour period,

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Speaker 15: with McCain binding Nicki's wrists and ankles together with tape,

463
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Speaker 15: putting tape over her mouth so she couldn't speak properly,

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Speaker 15: rolling his wife onto her stomach. Tyler McCain sits on

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Speaker 15: her back, pulling her hair back, forcefully pulling her head

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Speaker 15: back and telling her he's going to kill her.

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Speaker 2: The abuse, the terror, the attack on Nicki Chin lasted

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Speaker 2: for hours and hours and hours, and she managed to escape.

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Speaker 2: She then went to the hospital where the attack was documented.

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Speaker 2: This is not a he say, she say straight out

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Speaker 2: to K four. Nicki's sister. What was documented at the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Wore her injuries after this attack, had injuries.

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Speaker 8: To her face, Her eyes were swollen. She had injuries

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Speaker 8: I believe on her her neck and various parts of

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Speaker 8: her body.

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Speaker 2: The a doctor and Deputy Maul described how both of

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Speaker 2: Nikki's eyes were severely black and both swollen.

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Speaker 1: She had been.

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Speaker 2: Traumatized all over her whole body. To Chloe, when you

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Speaker 2: finally got Nikki to tell you what happened, what did

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Speaker 2: she say?

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Speaker 7: She told me that she thought she was going to die.

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Speaker 1: Did she describe what happened?

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Speaker 16: Yes, she.

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Speaker 7: I think when it first happened, it was still kind

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Speaker 7: of fresh, but I think she was just so shaken up.

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Speaker 7: She's like, she just came out of nowhere and you

488
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Speaker 7: just started attacking me. He was hitting me, and I

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Speaker 7: know that At one point she did tell me that

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Speaker 7: he taped her mouth with tape and he had gotten

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Speaker 7: water and he had poured water all over her face

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Speaker 7: to where she couldn't breathe, and she said that she

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Speaker 7: thinks that he was trying to drown her. And then

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Speaker 7: she did say it did go on for a really

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Speaker 7: long time. She didn't know how much time had passed,

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Speaker 7: but she did say she remembered waking up on the

497
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 7: cold floor. She was soaking wet, and she said, Tyler, please,

498
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Speaker 7: can you get me a blanket? I'm so cold, and

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Speaker 7: then he came back and started hitting her again. And

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Speaker 7: I remember she said lots of her head was being hit,

501
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Speaker 7: her body was sore, and she said she was really scared.

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Speaker 8: She said, I thought I was going to die.

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Speaker 2: Sean Schwaller joining us from my newscafe dot com.

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Speaker 1: Sean, I want to be clear.

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Speaker 2: Tyler McCain was never convicted and the attack on Nikki, he.

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Speaker 1: Was charged, but the charges were dropped.

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Speaker 6: Why right right after the court proceeding Star did for

508
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Speaker 6: the domestic violence charges against Tyler right after that. That

509
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 6: started on May seventh, and Nikki went missing on the eighteenth,

510
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Speaker 6: right after the case started in the courts. And then

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Speaker 6: in July of fifth, twenty twenty four, DA Stephanie Bridget

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Speaker 6: dismissed the domestic violence case against Tyler.

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Speaker 2: So bottom line, Sean Schwaller, the case was dropped because

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Speaker 2: Niki couldn't be found to be the witness.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 6: That's correct, and that is what the DA said, that

517
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Speaker 6: Niki was needed to be there to be in court,

518
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Speaker 6: despite the fact that there was a very very detailed

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00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 6: report taken by Deputy Mall in the hospital when Niki

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Speaker 6: was hospitalized.

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Speaker 2: Sadly, under the constitution Dwayne Capes the sixth Amen that specifically,

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Speaker 2: every defendant has a right to cross examine witnesses against him,

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Speaker 2: and in this case, without Niki, he would be denied

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Speaker 2: his rights under the constitution.

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Speaker 16: Correct The district attorney did their correct thing by dismissing

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Speaker 16: the case, because again, if she didn't just miss the

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Speaker 16: case and he went to trial and won, for the

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Speaker 16: case was thrown out once they impaneled the jury, then

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Speaker 16: double jeopardy would attach and she would never be able

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Speaker 16: to prosecute him for that. Again, by dismissing the charges.

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Speaker 16: There's a three year statute limitations in California on felonies,

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Speaker 16: and so they have a couple more years to to

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Speaker 16: try to try to find Nikki, and if they find

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Speaker 16: her then and she's dead, I don't know that these

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00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 16: charges will come up, but there may be other kinds

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Speaker 16: of charges.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Karen start joining me renowned psychologist at Karenstark dot com. Karen,

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Speaker 2: the single most dangerous time for a woman is one

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Speaker 2: when she's pregnant. Believe it or not, the number one

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Speaker 2: cause of death amongst pregnant women in the US is homicide,

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Speaker 2: not heart attack, not stroke, it's homicide. And two, when

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Speaker 2: the woman is trying to leave an abusive relationship, explain.

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Speaker 12: That's an alarm. And that's what I thought immediately, and

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Speaker 12: I'm sure her family did too.

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00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 15: The sisters of Nicki Chang Slee McCain say what tip

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00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 15: them off about their sister's suspicious disappearance were the messages

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00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 15: they got from her husband, Tyler McCain. Previously, when Nicky

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00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 15: would leave after a fight with Tyler McCain, Tyler would

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00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 15: contact her sisters, telling them to pass along messages to Nicki.

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00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 15: Tell her I love her, tell her I'm sorry. But

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Speaker 15: this time he didn't. This time when he texted the sisters,

553
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 15: he texted, I think she's missing. I don't know. I

554
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 15: think she's missing.

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Speaker 8: Our mission is clear. We must bring Nicki home. Your

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00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 8: help is critical and we welcome any support from those

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00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 8: who know and love her. We have connected with the

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Speaker 8: missing person's community, including Gabby Patito's mother. Gabby Patito was

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Speaker 8: found after it hit from soul social media, and we

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Speaker 8: haven't lost hope. We just asked that you continue to

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Speaker 8: please keep Nicki in your thoughts, but more importantly, don't

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Speaker 8: forget about her.

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Speaker 1: Get the word out on social media.

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Speaker 7: We're using hashtag Where's Niki.

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Speaker 2: There was a thirty thousand dollars reward in the search

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Speaker 2: for Niki chan number five to three zero two four

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Speaker 2: five six five four zero.

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Speaker 1: The sister said it so much.

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Speaker 2: More eloquently than I ever could. Any information matters. It's

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Speaker 2: my understanding that multiple theories abound, one of them being

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Speaker 2: that Nicki's body was moved to Chloe Seally. Have you

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Speaker 2: heard that theory?

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Speaker 7: Yes, I've heard that theory, and I've also heard other

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Speaker 7: theories as well, that she was moved from one car

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Speaker 7: to another car, and we're moved from where she was

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Speaker 7: last killed into another location.

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Speaker 8: Yes, we've heard that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, four, have you heard similar theories?

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Speaker 8: I have you know? To echo what Clee said, we

580
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 8: have heard the where the attack took place and potentially

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Speaker 8: where she was actually killed, or two different locations, and

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Speaker 8: then once she was killed at one location and then

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Speaker 8: moved potentially when law enforcement might be looking for her,

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Speaker 8: and then potentially moved back there. So we have heard

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Speaker 8: that there have been many moves and many and transported

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Speaker 8: many of different vehicles.

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Speaker 2: Again, no one has been named a person of interest

588
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: or a suspect in this case. Now, there have been

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Speaker 2: many cases in the history of crime, of course, where

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00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: families have really stuck together, covering.

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Speaker 1: For each other. And since I've us Scott Paterson so often,

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Speaker 1: why not again?

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Speaker 2: Now, As you will recall, when Scott Peterson was on

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Speaker 2: the run just before his arrest and the murder of

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Speaker 2: Lacey and the unborn child Connor, he was caught in

596
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Speaker 2: a brand new Mercedes Benz bought under his mother's name,

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00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: with his brother's driver's license, with ten thousand dollars, camping gear,

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Speaker 2: a water purifier, and a year's worth of viagra. Now,

599
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Speaker 2: the family said, no, he wasn't trying to escape law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: He was trying to escape the media so he could

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Speaker 2: get in around of golf at Tory Pine's golf club.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they said that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, then let's see family sticking together. All in the family.

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Speaker 2: We've got the case of the two missing Kentucky moms.

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Speaker 2: Now charge is a whole network of family and friends.

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00:35:54,280 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: These two beautiful women murdered over custody. They were taking

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Speaker 2: the children at issue to a children's birthday party and

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00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: it turned into a double homicide. Now under arrest, multiple

609
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Speaker 2: family members of the alleged killer. That's Veronica Butler and

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Speaker 2: Gillian Kelly and now sitting behind bars. Mother in law

611
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 2: Donna Adelson charged along with her son who's been convicted

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Speaker 2: and the murder of her son in law.

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Speaker 1: Uh, there's the brother, please get him. A Bobby pen

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Speaker 1: charged in the murder.

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Speaker 2: Of her son in law, Professor Markel Why over child custody.

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Speaker 1: Then you've got Caitlin.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong who went on the run to Costa Rica after

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Speaker 2: murdering her victim.

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Speaker 1: There she is.

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Speaker 2: She even had a plastic surgery to complete makeover. A

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Speaker 2: world class bike rider, A cyclist Maureen dead over.

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Speaker 1: A boyfriend, Colin Strickland.

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Speaker 2: She was found in Costa Rica under her assumed name,

624
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Speaker 2: having used her sisters ID and passport. Sister never charged.

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00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: What families will do to protect each other, including a murder.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of protecting, don't even get me started on the

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Speaker 2: tribal land that has only given limited access and the

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00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: search for Nikki. The tribal land. Let me point out

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Speaker 2: Tyler McCain is a direct descendant of an original tribal elder,

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Speaker 2: Art Hayward. That's something to think about. And of course

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Speaker 2: tribal territory is not under the jurisdiction of local law

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Speaker 2: enforcement or even the US government. To Karen Stark, weigh in.

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Speaker 12: Nancy, if you take a look at the domestic violence

634
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Speaker 12: that she reported, and we know she went to the hospital,

635
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Speaker 12: you take a look at the fact that he had

636
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Speaker 12: contradictory stories that she disappeared right after she was worried

637
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Speaker 12: about her life, and she said she was threatened. Even

638
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 12: though we don't have a suspect in this case, there's

639
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 12: an awful lot that's suspicious here. This man can have

640
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 12: his ego affected. He needs to come across well. He's

641
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Speaker 12: a narcissist, he's a liar, and I really feel like

642
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Speaker 12: we have to take a look at what's going on

643
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Speaker 12: that all of a sudden he's changing, he's not being angry,

644
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Speaker 12: he's coming across well. Everything is extremely suspicious.

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Speaker 1: Chloe, Nikki's sister, what is your message tonight?

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Speaker 7: My message is that if anyone is involved or know

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Speaker 7: if something, please come forward. You don't want to you

648
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 7: don't want to be in trouble for this. So if

649
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 7: you know anything, please come forward, because if you don't

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Speaker 7: come forward, then consequences are going to be a lot tougher.

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Speaker 2: This has changed from a missing person to a homicide. Case,

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Speaker 2: and I advise anyone that knows anything to come forward

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Speaker 2: now and speak get a deal. It certainly beats a

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Speaker 2: death penalty. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,