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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Noria,

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Speaker 1: doctor Stephen Post. We're going to take calls with Stephen

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Speaker 1: next hour here on Coast to Coast. So jump aboard.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps you know someone who has dementia or Alheimer's and

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Speaker 1: you've gone through these problems, and jump aboard and share

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Speaker 1: your story. Your grandmother was an influence on you, was

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Speaker 1: wasn't she? Stephen big influence. He was from Sheffield, England,

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Speaker 1: where they make silver, and she came over to New

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Speaker 1: grandfather fell in love with her, and actually he divorced

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Speaker 1: Emily Post to get together with her. Really, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: the truth. But and she never forgave him, obviously. But

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Speaker 1: my grandmother passed away what was probable Alzheimer's, and as

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Speaker 1: a young guy, I would go to the nursing home

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Speaker 1: and that's where I learned so much because even though

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Speaker 1: of unbelievable lucidity, very surprisingly. She might call me by name,

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Speaker 1: couldn't feed herself, so you know you've got to give

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Speaker 1: might be. And I could always note these moments when

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Speaker 1: her eyes just lit up and it was as though

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Speaker 1: love was alive, and I came to the complete belief

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Speaker 1: that underneath this neurological deterioration, there is still a soul,

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Speaker 1: if we can use that word, there is still a

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Speaker 1: so busy running around from point A to point to

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Speaker 1: the ultimate reality in this universe is kindness and love.

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Speaker 1: And these folks, you know, they're not They're not difficult

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Speaker 1: if you know how to connect with them. And if

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Speaker 1: you notice, that's the word that Larry Dassi uses a lot,

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Speaker 1: notice the hints of their continuing self identity. And I

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Speaker 1: had lots of stories about that in this book, beautiful

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Speaker 1: stories and the tiring stories. Harder people die from Alzheimer's disease,

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, so, um, what happens is they go into

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Speaker 1: kinds of reasons. Some of them die of pneumonia, some

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Speaker 1: of them die because their brain just seems to shut

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Speaker 1: all kinds kinds of things. And one of the big questions, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know what's going on before they die? Quote unquote uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, to me, the most incredible thing about people

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Speaker 1: or I call them deeply forgetful. I don't even like

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Speaker 1: to use the word dementia, George, because it's such a

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Speaker 1: we don't use that much anymore. We speak about people

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Speaker 1: who are developmentally disabled, who are differently abled. I think

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Speaker 1: we can learn a lot from people who are deeply forgetful.

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Speaker 1: In fact, in Japan, you know, a lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of literature exists where they kind of look at

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Speaker 1: these folks as almost enlightened because they're beyond the pressures

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Speaker 1: to connect with them, you know, I'm on the board

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Speaker 1: of the Alzheimer's Poetry organism in Brooklyn, and you have

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Speaker 1: professional Alzheimer's poets. You can have twenty or thirty people

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Speaker 1: average age of someone who comes down with Alzheimer's? Okay,

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Speaker 1: that somehow preclude the possibility or the likelihood of Alzheimers

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Speaker 1: that at these earlier ages, Stephen, my mother is ninety three.

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Speaker 1: and Alheimer's differ from Parkinson's disease? Well, you know, so Parkinson's,

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Speaker 1: We're going to take calls with Stephen next hour. His

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Speaker 1: His latest book is called Dignity for Deeply Forgetful People.

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Speaker 1: Where do people get that book? Stephen? Oh, you know

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Speaker 1: the usual place is Amazon John Thompton's University Press as

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Speaker 1: because there's there's such a thing as ancient wisdom. And

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Speaker 1: empirical knowledge to a phenomenon like this, it's taken more seriously.

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Speaker 1: But for those of us who appreciate history and the

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Speaker 1: some periods that are much more insightful than our own,

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Speaker 1: the interface of science and great, i'll say, great spiritual wisdom.

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