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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got

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Speaker 1: a real special guests. What's up with your brodeach with

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Speaker 1: the virtual headshake. I'm gonna tell you something that I

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Speaker 1: never told you back. I want to smoke. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to another edition All the Smoke. Jack, what's going on

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Speaker 1: out there in Atlanta? Man? It's freezing man, hey and

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Speaker 1: like and like we said earlier, it would be funny

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Speaker 1: the first it's snow everywhere. It's nice out here now

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Speaker 1: not nice. It's in the mid sixties out here in

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Speaker 1: l A. I can't complain. We got a really special guest.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you taking time. We know you're on the

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Speaker 1: road right now. Let's welcome to the show, Doc Rivers.

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Speaker 1: What's up? How are you going on the season? The road?

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Speaker 1: You know, it is what it is. So we were

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Speaker 1: just talking before we gone on, and I think it

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Speaker 1: would be interesting for our viewers to hear that too,

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Speaker 1: because obviously, you know, when Jack and I played in

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Speaker 1: your whole entire career, you know, the road is kind

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Speaker 1: of a chance where you get away from home. You

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Speaker 1: can go to some new restaurants, you can get out

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Speaker 1: and check out a new city. It's completely opposite that. Now.

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Speaker 1: It almost seems like you guys are on complete lockdown.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes actually you guys are the only people in

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Speaker 1: the hotel. Talk to us a little bit about what

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Speaker 1: that experience is like. Yeah, in most cases, you're the

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Speaker 1: only person in the entire hotel. They they wish you

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Speaker 1: It's it's really strange. I would say still I would

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Speaker 1: take it over the bubble. Um. But you know, because

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Speaker 1: you are playing in the actual arenas, so you feel

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Speaker 1: like you're on a road trip. The biggest difference is

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Speaker 1: you just never leave the hotel. Uh, you know, for me,

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Speaker 1: like coaches, you literally you get your room. You don't

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Speaker 1: in your room. So it is definitely different. Um. But again,

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Speaker 1: if you ask me which one I take, I take

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Speaker 1: the way we're doing it now, then over the bubble

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Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone else feels that way too. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: get to it fresh start in Philly. How how has

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Speaker 1: that been. I saw you go there. As soon as

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Speaker 1: the best motivators I've ever played for, And to me

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Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, it seemed like that was

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Speaker 1: Star caliber this year. Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting. Uh

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Speaker 1: when when I first I wasn't sure what I was

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Speaker 1: what you guys are doing now, you know, take a

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Speaker 1: so I thought about it for for about twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: So you know, this this group, it's just it just

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Speaker 1: So just having that group behind me and allowing me

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Speaker 1: I think helps us win. Was was was big, been amazing, UM.

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Speaker 1: And then we have to get our guys, our players

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Speaker 1: doc um, I said, I said when you took the

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Speaker 1: your life. Oh early early, My uncle Jim Brewer played. Uh,

425
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Speaker 1: you know my Provider I wanted to go to University

426
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: of Minnesota played in the NBA. I think overall Providers

427
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Speaker 1: High school has the Latin NBA players. Uh from one

428
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: high school. That is not a recruiting it's just local kids. Um,

429
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: you know from Mike Finley. I mean, we can keep

430
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Speaker 1: naming them. Uh, but it's so it was always in

431
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: my mind. I've always wanted to be, um a basketball

432
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: player young young. I didn't know I want to be

433
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Speaker 1: a basketball coach. That that came late, but the playing

434
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: wasn't no brainer for me. Was so he was younger

435
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: than you, I think. But Benji Wilson, you remember hearing

436
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: about him. Are you already in the league by the

437
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: time he his wave came to Chicago. Yeah. I want

438
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: to say I was probably about my six or seventh year,

439
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: but we all knew each other. Um, and then you said,

440
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: the best summer league the Chicago State. The Summer League

441
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: of Chicago was off the charts. That's back when all

442
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: the NBA players could come. You can play in different

443
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: summer leagues. Um, places packed is free to get in

444
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: and uh you know they would always put a high

445
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: school team in. You know, I got to play as

446
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: a senior in high school against all the pros. We

447
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: actually my junior year, we actually made it to the finals.

448
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 1: H high school team. Now that high school team had

449
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Speaker 1: market guire Zay had time as Daryl Walker, Terry Cummins.

450
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: We were looking we're loaded. But you know so I

451
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: think we played like Ricky Sober's and Reggie theas and artists, Gilmore,

452
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: you know a lot of the bull players, so that

453
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Speaker 1: those are the best days. But then you heard I

454
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: never got to see him in person. Guys, but they

455
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: said that that kid was wonderful. And what made it

456
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: so sad is growing up we were protected, like no

457
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: one touched the athletes. And clearly that has changed, which

458
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: tells you a lot of things have changed. So fortunate,

459
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: so very decorated high school career. UM, all American across

460
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: the board. What made you choose Marquette close close to home? Um,

461
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm one of my parents to be able

462
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: to come to the games. I didn't want to go

463
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: too close to paul Is where like Isaiah, Mark and

464
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: I had said we don't go. Mark went Isaiah with

465
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Speaker 1: the Indiana, so as I always blamed Isaiah ruined it

466
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: so uh and then I wasn't going. It was just

467
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: too close. So Marquette was close enough. And I knew

468
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: Rick mjaris Ricken who was a great coach, and I've

469
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: been going to his basketball camp since freshman in high school. Uh,

470
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: so they pretty much had me from the start. So

471
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: hold on. So you Isaiah Thomas and Mark ocguire were

472
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: all discussing on going to DePaul. Yeah, wow, almost happened. Uh,

473
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: Mark and Isaiah. I thought Isaiah was gonna go uh,

474
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: and then he decided to go to Indiana. And Isaiah

475
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: earlyer always recruited me to go to Indiana with him

476
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 1: because I was the following year. And and then I

477
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: saw that was working, and I was like, so who else?

478
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: Who else was recruiting your coach? I could have gone anywhere, um,

479
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: but I ended up narrowing it down Michigan. You know,

480
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: here's a crazy story. Derek Harper and I got to

481
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: know each other from the from the five Star basketball count.

482
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: So Derek and I decided let's team up. So Derek

483
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: and I were both going to University of Michigan. Johnny

484
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: Yor was a coach Johnny Or then calls us and says, hey, guys,

485
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: I just took a new job to Iowa State and

486
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: do you guys want to come? And thanks but with

487
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: the answer. So Derek ended up at Illinois and that's

488
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: what changed to the Marquette Park. But there was a time,

489
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: very good chance that Derek and I would have ended

490
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: up at the same school. What was What was it

491
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: like at Marquette? It was great, you know, Um, we

492
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: were good. I think we made it in the final

493
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: six team. Uh. You know, I would say in a

494
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: lot of ways, Matt Marquette in some ways kind of

495
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: saved my life. And and the fact that I didn't

496
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: really I wasn't really into school, uh you know. And

497
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: then I got to Marquette. I met this professor that

498
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: my freshman year had just decided, oh no, you you're

499
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a student. Um, and he wouldn't let go,

500
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: like he was just he wouldn't let go. By the

501
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: end of it, I was going to his house. Uh.

502
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: He was my tutor, and you know, I didn't like

503
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: him early on. I'm not gonna lie. Actually couldn't stand

504
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: him because I mean I was like no other student

505
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: has to do this uh Man he and he kept saying, man,

506
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: you you have knowledge. You just got to learn how

507
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: to write and talk. And so you Dr Wolfe was

508
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: his name, and I'm thanking God that he came into

509
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: my life. So in college, who's some of the toughest

510
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: opponents you faced? Oh, Man, Louisville. Uh, Louisville was rough.

511
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: They had the cray brothers if you remember that Rodney

512
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: who was a brother. Yeah, and he had the craw brothers.

513
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: So they were tough. I was was really tough. Um,

514
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: you know the Paul Heck, we had to deal with Mark.

515
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: So we played Houston and that's when they had Clyde

516
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: Rob Williams. You remember Rob Williams was really good. And

517
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: then this African guy came in the freshman and he

518
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: hadn't played much that year, and he came in like

519
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: the middle of the first half. He just blocking, throwing

520
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: a block in our shots. And I remember Hank Raymond

521
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: and Rick Man Jars at half time losing their mind

522
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: like this kid never plays, and you know it was funny.

523
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: It turned out to be Elijah one. So but he

524
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: didn't play. He just knew how to block everybody's shot.

525
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: It's amazing how good he got and I quickly he

526
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: did it. You know what's funny is, like you said,

527
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: he all said and done. Maybe one of the most

528
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: skilled bigs ever as far as footwork and in pace

529
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: of playing. To think that in college it was just

530
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: a raw athleticism and how much he improved in a

531
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: short amount of time. It really is. You know, you

532
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: think about like fundamentally sound footwork. Um, you know when

533
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: you think footwork, do you think him, Tim Duncan, Kevin

534
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: McHale and I don't know if you go further than that, right,

535
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: really not for bigs. It's crazy you could you could

536
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: throw and beat in that category. He got hell of

537
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: a footwork for a big man. I think he's the

538
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: first seven foot we see that a year old step

539
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: at full speed stuff. He got the up and under. Uh,

540
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: his up and under maybe the slowest up and under

541
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And it's so effective. Like the first

542
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: couple of times in practice, I'm like, I know you

543
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: just traveled, uh, because it's so slow, and then when

544
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: you look at it, it's it's beautiful. You know, he's

545
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: got the same thing those two guys had. Though. He

546
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: could shoot and he's figured it out man. He says

547
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: that all up with that little up fake, and you

548
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: gotta honor it because he can shoot the ball field.

549
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: Nineteen eight three second round draft picks of the Atlanta

550
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: Hawks take us back a little bit because the the

551
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: NBA is struggling with image in the early eighties. It's

552
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: too black, there's too much drugs. Your first year as commissioner,

553
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: Stern's first year, what was going into the NBA like

554
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: in eight three? It was it was not a good league, guys.

555
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: It was drugging tested Um, pretty nasty league. When I

556
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: first came in. You know, beer everywhere in the locker room,

557
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: guy smoking cigarettes. Uh, it was crazy. We we had

558
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna use the name, but we we

559
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: had a meeting one time, me and Randy Whitman with

560
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: Mike for Tello, head coach. He brought in his in

561
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: his room and said, Hey, don't give this guy any money.

562
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm thinking I'm not getting anybody money anyway. Uh.

563
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: But know it was it was a teammate and he

564
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: was worried about the guy using for drugs. And then

565
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: so but I tell you it changed in like three years.

566
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: It was amazing how quickly the league, the players change,

567
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: uh and went to the whole other side of being

568
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: pro players. H. You didn't see it anymore, you didn't

569
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: hear about it anymore. Um. But I take my first

570
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: few years that was a roughly, really rough teaming up

571
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: with the young Dominique Wilkins. Great was neat. I love him.

572
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: I love him still one of my favor guys. You know.

573
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: Um he he was man, he's he didn't get enough

574
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: to do. Um how good he was offensive he was

575
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: he was as an unstoppable of a player. Uh that

576
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: has ever played offensively can do everything. Um. I mean

577
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: I've never seen an I missed a shot and then tiptok.

578
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 1: You know. And when I was young and basketball caps,

579
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: kids would always ask me and they ever been dumped on?

580
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: And I said, every game by my teammate. You know,

581
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I thought I was

582
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: getting off as a rebound and then all of a sudden,

583
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: this guy is jumping over me. Uh. You know, he

584
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: had this saying a lot of people will go the

585
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: first to the top floor, but very few people can

586
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: go to the penthouse. And that's where he was tell me, like,

587
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 1: when you throw the ball, throw it to the penhouse. Uh,

588
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: throw it where nobody else can go. And so he

589
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: made me. You know, I had years where I had

590
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: ten assist I had twenty six assist games, and I

591
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: was I was a good player, but that was you know,

592
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: I was good. But that when you know, man, you

593
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: could you could throw the ball anywhere, and he was

594
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: gonna go get it. So he made me really good.

595
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: So you guys are in the US is a building

596
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: a winner in Atlanta. You guys played the Celtics Big

597
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: Three in the playoffs and eight sight. What were those

598
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: matchups like? They were brutal? Uh. I mean they were

599
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: just so deep and good. We had them, Matt and

600
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: one time we're up three too in that in that

601
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: great series. And you remember the game seven, the Dominante

602
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Bird series, shot for shot, shot for shot, and you know,

603
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: I think I ended up that game. But like you know,

604
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: eighteen points, fifteen assists, six rebounds. Randy Whitman was twelve

605
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: for twelve. I think there are five turnovers combined in

606
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: that game. It was one of the most perfect play games,

607
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: that game seven. Uh. But at the end of the day,

608
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: Michael and uh and Larry Bird, Larry Bird that night

609
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: was listen. Uh, he was unbelievable and he was so clutch.

610
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: Was just as clutch that night. It's just the Larry

611
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter was unstoppable. But that was that

612
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: Boston team. Uh, it's one of the greatest teams ever assembled.

613
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: That that that that front line was they were they

614
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: were tough. I said. Bird had twenty of his thirty

615
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: four in the fourth quarter. Dominique has Dominique had seventeen

616
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: of his forty seven in the fourth quarter, and they

617
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: were going, they was going at it. Oh. Man. You

618
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: know it was crazy too, because it's rare in the game.

619
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: You feel it like you know, you guys have been

620
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: in games where after the games people said, man, that

621
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: was the most amazing game, But you were in it,

622
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, I didn't feel that. I

623
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: knew it was a good game. That was one of

624
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: the few games I was doing this the games. Yeah,

625
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: it was the hell of a game, you know. Yeah,

626
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: they say you battled with Danny Age, but you went

627
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: to work on him later. Yeah, yeah, I talked more

628
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: trash to Danny. Yeah. People forget how hated Danny Age was.

629
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: He was he was. They did not like him because

630
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, Danny's an instigator, he really is. Uh? And

631
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: who was all three hit Danny ainge um when he

632
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: was with the Sixers and sodyll three got enough money

633
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: from fans to pay for his fan Think about that.

634
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: That's that's crazy, um, And Danny loved it. That's who

635
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: Dandy is. Like he wants to be the instigator. Danny's

636
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: an instigator as a as a president of the gym.

637
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: You know, he really is. Danny wants to instigate stuff. Uh,

638
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: because he's as competitive as a dude that I've ever

639
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: been around. Yeah, I love Dan. He drafted me so

640
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: that I love. I ever loved Dannie. That's my guy.

641
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: Now he's the best. I tell you. Our relationship is

642
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: the way it'should word like if you want to win, um,

643
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: because it's not just your team, is not just a coach,

644
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: is not just the players, but when the coach and

645
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: in the front office is lockstep and everything Like Dan

646
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: and I had I'm telling you guys, we had arguments

647
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: about players and then we go to dinner, you know, yeah,

648
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: and we started laughing about it and we had this

649
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: thing like you know, I'll give you one and you

650
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: give me one. And then What that meant was every

651
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: once in while, Daniel come in with a hell, no,

652
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: we're not doing that trade. No, because then he loves

653
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: trades like he he every day he's talking about a trade.

654
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: But then I would say most of the time I was,

655
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: I would give in and say let's do it um,

656
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, And so he was great to work for him.

657
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: You have to matched up against the best opposing guard.

658
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 1: What was it like going guys like Jordan and Isaiah?

659
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: Isaiah grew up playing against Um. It's funny. We we

660
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: had some battles. We were ranked number one and two

661
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: in high school and they beat us UM in a

662
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: big game. Uh. They knocked us out of my junior year. Uh,

663
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: they knocked us out of the state tournament. We played

664
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: that same year in the Christmas tournament. Uh. Think about this.

665
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: I was in nineteen, I don't know years, nineteen seventy

666
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: nineteen year, nineteen seventy nine. My brother sold a ticket

667
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: for a high school game in nineteen seventy nine for

668
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. Think about that. That's how I said

669
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: that That game was. It was like one of the

670
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: biggest games ever because as there was a number one

671
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: player in the country as a senior and that was

672
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: the number one player in the country as a junior.

673
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: Were from the same area. Uh, it was award at night.

674
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: His brother was was intimidating the rest uh as the

675
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: rest party, which to this day I still believe played

676
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: a part in the decision of that game. But yeah,

677
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: and then, uh, you know, Michael was just tough. Michael

678
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: was Michael was ruthless. Um. People don't get like when

679
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: we talk about Michael, the guys who played against them,

680
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, Kobe approached his competitiveness. Other than that,

681
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: I've never seen anyone more competitive. Um. I remember his

682
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: rookie years, my second year and he got up to

683
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: an amazing star and we played him. Remember after the game,

684
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: at my first thought, there's no way he can play

685
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: that hard all season. Wow, And like ten years later

686
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: he was still playing the same way. It was just

687
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: I was amazed how much he gave on the defensive

688
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: end and the offensive end, and his energy level at

689
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: which he played. Like, um, I don't know if there

690
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: there there have been anything like that. So that's why

691
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, I hate comparing like the generations because le

692
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: Bron is gonna end up having the greatest career ever.

693
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: Their rookie stats docked. Their rookie stats are damn they're

694
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: the same. They are like and you know, I still

695
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: for me, Michael is the greatest player ever. But Lebronen

696
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: is gonna have the greatest career ever. Um, and what

697
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: he's doing right now is incredible. So it's it's unbelievable.

698
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: But you know, the toughest guy for me to guard

699
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: his magic um because you know, um, Matt, you have

700
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: the twins at home, right and so when you're playing

701
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: in the backyard and you're playing against him, you know

702
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: how you look over them like their little children. You know,

703
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: I never did everybody. And I was a great defender

704
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: and I get up into him the first game and

705
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: he had that smirk like looking over top of you,

706
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: and it pissed me off. I'm not gonna lie like

707
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: like this dude is like chopping me right now. And

708
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: it's not not a lot you can do with it.

709
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: Because he was so big. You know, he was big

710
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: man people, he is big dude, uh, and just he

711
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: was for me, he was the harvest because of the size.

712
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: With Michael was the best I have to go. So

713
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: as the eighties turned to the nineties. You had a

714
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: quick stint with the Clippers, helping them reach the playoffs

715
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: and then off to New York. What was your thoughts

716
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: being able to head to the Mecca and play for

717
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: legendary someone who started out West and then ended up

718
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: as you know that the mafia, Pat comes to the Knicks.

719
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: What was that experience like change my life? I never

720
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: won the coach until I played for pat Riley. Um.

721
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: I had done internships doing TV, That's what I was

722
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: gonna do, you know. And then I played for pat

723
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: Riley and just motivationally and how he has his ability

724
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: to make you buy in as a group and and

725
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: hate and every other team like um, you know, it

726
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: got to the point you didn't like anybody Like Michael

727
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: and I had a hell of a relationship, uh Jordan,

728
00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: until I played for the Knicks. It over. But that's

729
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: how like you played for Riley Man he was the

730
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: best and and we we were good. You know we

731
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: think about we had home court um against the Bulls

732
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: in that series and you know watching it that that documentary,

733
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: this summer was tortured. Uh for me, you know, we're

734
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: up to old and remember they talked about it. They

735
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: had a five day break before day break in between

736
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: game two and three, and for four days they talked

737
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan Gambler and even I knew, we knew then.

738
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: I said, man, this this is not good. That's all

739
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: you're doing is poking the bear and we wasn't doing it.

740
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: Like I kept saying, like it's one thing if it's us,

741
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: but it's the media. And then just kept going and

742
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: I think Michael had like fifty something Game three, Game

743
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: four he did it again, and we had him in

744
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: game five. Man, um, you know, we didn't miss some

745
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: big free throws and then Charles at that the three

746
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: lay up you know play. But other than that, yeah,

747
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: that was That's the toughest loss in my life. Um,

748
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, as a player, that was

749
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: the most difficult loss that I've ever had. So the

750
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: next season, you guys go to the finals, you're injured,

751
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: you feel like you're coming back and you're ready to play,

752
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: and Riley doesn't activate you. How did that happen? How

753
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: did that? What was the interaction between you guys after that?

754
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: Not good? You know? Um the reason is, and it's

755
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: it's called the DC Rivers Room. Basically back then you

756
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: had to change You had to give your your your

757
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: roster before the first round of the playoffs, and once

758
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: you said it, you couldn't change it. So the doctors

759
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: are telling rounds that there's a very good chance that

760
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: I could be healthy by the finals, but they couldn't

761
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: guarantee it. What what What injury did you have at

762
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: the time? A c L. Yeah, so it was a

763
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: big injury. And but what killing and Riley wrote about

764
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: it in his book was so it hurt our relationship

765
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: because I was pissed. I was putting in. I was

766
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: putting in the time. It would have been seven eight months,

767
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: so it's been very early, uh to come back and

768
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: been the earliest at that point. But had done the

769
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: work and he calls me and he makes that decision.

770
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: And I was crushed, man, because I worked my butt off,

771
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: but I kept working. We go through it, We keep going,

772
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: We get to the finals, and by the finals, we

773
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: have a practice and I'm practising that and you can

774
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: see Riley looking at me like, oh man, the guys uh,

775
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: and you know, starts goes to for eighteen in that

776
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: one game. Um, I'm sitting on the bench and street clothes,

777
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, that was. That was a hard one for

778
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: me because you you play your life at least I did.

779
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to win a title, man, and sitting in

780
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: street clothes, that was. That was brutal. That was brutal

781
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: for me, especially with that team that was such a

782
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: great team, Anthony Mason and Charles Smith, Charles Oakley, John

783
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: starts Greg Anthony, I mean we had some dogs that

784
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: that was a rough basketball team and I just love

785
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: playing for him and with them. How did you get

786
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: on them? How did you get on the coaching track

787
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: after you left the Spurs? You know, see when you

788
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: probably know this story a little bit. Um, I had

789
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: no interest in coaching. UM, and then I played for

790
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: Rows and I start thinking maybe I want to coach.

791
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: And whenever retired from the Spurs, UM, I got an

792
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: offer from NBC to do the telecast and t n T.

793
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: I chose t n T. I get a call from

794
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: Pop UM and Pop wants me to be the assistant

795
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: for Bob Hill. UM. But you know it was more

796
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: Pop's ideal than Bob's idea. And so that's that was

797
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: smart enough to know that what that that that's not good?

798
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: So I turned that down. UM. And then I did

799
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: the T and T for the three years, UM, and

800
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: it was great because you know, at that point, I

801
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: think Pop takes over, so I got to watch him

802
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: do his job. I got an offer from Milwaukee in

803
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: the second year, and I turned it down. UM. I

804
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: just wentn't ready honestly, UM, you know, to coach, I

805
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: just gotten out the league. But they offered me the job.

806
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: I turned that down. UH. And you know, in any profession,

807
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: if you turn a job down, it's like, man, we've

808
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: gotta get him. You know. I didn't do it on

809
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: for that reason. But that next year I had two offers.

810
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: I could have coached the Wizards West Unsealed was the GM.

811
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: They offered me the job or the Magic, and I

812
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: chose the Magic because we knew they were going to rebuild. UM.

813
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: And you know, my first year, I won Coach of

814
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: the Year with guys that UM, you guys would identify with,

815
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, like that was you guys played against that

816
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 1: team that was a hard go out. Well, well, let's

817
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: we didn't have the problem on our team was when

818
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: he got down the stretch, we had nobody to go to. UH.

819
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: But that team was so fun to coach, and it took.

820
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't have had a more perfect first year because

821
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: we didn't have like a lot of great offensive players.

822
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: I had to think outside the box. Um. I had

823
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: to create a t O s on on on the

824
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: spur of the moment um and that served me well

825
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: for the rest of my coaching career. How excited were

826
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: you when and when Orlando traded for team at that summer? Oh? Man, listen,

827
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: you know so first of all we had a chance. Um,

828
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: that was all free agency. We we we John Gabriel

829
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: was the GM. We did an amazing job, like we

830
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: had Disney involved. Uh, some of the stuff we did

831
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: when we brought those guys in, so t mac. I

832
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: think Grant Hill was first, and Grant Hill said yes.

833
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: Grant him said yes, by the way, when he got

834
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: off the plane, so he could have got back on

835
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: the plane he was already coming. Um. Then we brought

836
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: in Tim Duncan, and Tim duncan at he basically said yes,

837
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, um, there's that rumor about me and his girlfriend.

838
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: That's not completely true. Um. But John Calipari I called

839
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: John and said, hey, man, I think we got Tim

840
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: And he said you got him and I said yeah.

841
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: He said he's probably coming, but he just needed to

842
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: go back to San Antonio, UM to have one more visit.

843
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: He said, oh, you lost. And I remember Cale telling

844
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: you that. I was like what he said, listen, there's

845
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: a ruined college. You don't let him off the campus

846
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: until they signed. He never let him off the campus.

847
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: And so I remember a three day pair of panic,

848
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And then and he obviously went back

849
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: to San Antonio, which for him was the right decision.

850
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: Then we had a crazy decision and UM, you know,

851
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: for a second we thought we'd get all three, but

852
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 1: we didn't have money. But for two think about that decision.

853
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: If Tim duncan had decided to come, we would have

854
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: to make a choice between Tracey McGrady, Tim Duncan and

855
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: Grant Hill. And back then it probably been Tim and

856
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: Grant because uh, we didn't know Team Mac was gonna

857
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: be my Tea Mack was at that point. So the

858
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: Team Mac man I he was another one just he

859
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: was a natural. UM could do everything, could score, could pass,

860
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: could really defend when he wanted to. Um, you know

861
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: the thing that hurt Tea Mac with us was Grand

862
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: Hill got injured. You know, I never saw Grant. Really,

863
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: I think the two and a half years I was

864
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: with Granted, he played ten games, so they played. He

865
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: only played forty seven games between the two thousand season

866
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: and the two thousand and fourth seasons. So yeah, and

867
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: that was that was rough because you know, we had

868
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: put so much of mine into that and then you

869
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: know that it's smart He's injured Kim Boy and and

870
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: that changed. It really takes my future, you know, probably

871
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: for the best you can look at it, because it

872
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: leaves it led me to Boston. So at the end

873
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: of the day, it was probably the best thing. But

874
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of times in your life you think

875
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: the worst thing is happening and it turns out to

876
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: be the best best. Yeah, I want to backtrack a

877
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: little bit with the for the people who don't kind

878
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: of know the story. You said with Tim Duncan and

879
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Team Market said the situation where it was

880
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: a situation that he said, you were the team wouldn't

881
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: allow family to travel and that kind of deterred Tim's decision.

882
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: You said, that's kind of not how it went with it. No,

883
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: it isn't, but it's it's true. Like Tim, Tim uh

884
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: the firdson, we are allowing families on board, and at

885
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: the time we hadn't done that at all. And when

886
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: we had our story our talk, I said, no, I'll

887
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: be open to that, just that every trip, um you know.

888
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: And so that was not a big deal. But it

889
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: was a factor. There's no doubt about that. Uh. But

890
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: let me just say that Tim called me and say, Doc,

891
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: I want to come, but one thing, uh, my girlfriend

892
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: has to travel. I would probably, especially back then, asking

893
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: what seat do you want? You want? You want? You

894
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: wanted to you wanted to fly the plane too, what

895
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: she needs? Tell me whatever, whatever works, you know, but

896
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: that you know, I'm sure that that was a small

897
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: factor because she did travel a lot. I guess I

898
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: didn't even know that, uh with them. And you know, Matt,

899
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: you you you played for me. I had no problem

900
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: with families, very open with that. But the problem with

901
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: families traveling using was the players were coming to me

902
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: and say, hey, man, such and such wife is traveling

903
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: too much. Hey doc, Hey, Doc, just let me say this,

904
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: from being Tim Ducker's friend, you were a great judge

905
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: of character. We're gonna leave it at that exact real

906
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: quick before we get off this duo um in your opinion.

907
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: Knowing Grant, knowing what t Mac turned into, how great

908
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: could that a duel have been? If Grant could have

909
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: been healthy. I think we would have been unbelieving. And

910
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: then think about this. We drafted Mike Miller too, so

911
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: we won rook of the year. He won rook of

912
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: the Year that year, right, yeah, yeah, man. We had

913
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: one game maybe I think it was one or two

914
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: games where we started Grant Hill, Te Mack and Mike

915
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: Miller to one, two and three, our smallest guy with

916
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: six eight. Oh. I remember we played in Minnesota and

917
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: just destroyed them because all three can handle, all three

918
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: could play, all three can shoot. It was it was

919
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: beautiful to Washington play and unfortunately it never happened. So

920
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: those two together because because Grant was such an unselfish player,

921
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: he need to be a score uh and Mike was

922
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: such a great shooter. I think the fit would have

923
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: been perfect. Well, Pete, I mean you touched on earlier.

924
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: People don't realize how good Dominique was. People, unless you're

925
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: a real basketball you don't realize how good Grant Hill

926
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: was prior to his injury. He was pasted to be

927
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: a top ten player in the history of the game

928
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: comparing in the Micael Yes, you know, like I don't

929
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: think anyone most like I know, like when I talked

930
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: to Austin, the great example in Austin was there, but

931
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: he was so young. Doesn't understand you know he remember

932
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: te Mac only you know, uh because the team Mack

933
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: was this guy. Uh. You know because but when you

934
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: I used to say grand Grand and Austin remember was hurt. Yeah,

935
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: you know. So it's amazing how many of the young

936
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: guys if you mentioned grand Hill, he probably think you

937
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: mean the commentator on Team Tams, the killer, the killer,

938
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: the killer from Detroit. That's what I padded my game

939
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: after grand actually drew more fouls. Do you remember drew

940
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: files like that? That grand Hill cut across the lane.

941
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean it was being able to cross over at

942
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: full speed. It was he was a dunk on you. Uh.

943
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: Two thousand three playoffs against a tough Pistons team up

944
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: three one, can't close it out? How rough was that moment?

945
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: Like I said, you guys have developed amazing rough. It

946
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: was rough, But listen, we were eight c you know,

947
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: people forget like and I have the unfortunate history of

948
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: losing three three one leagues, but uh, we were in

949
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: the eighth c Have you ever go and looked at

950
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: those two teams, Like I always tell people on that

951
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: I actually got more credit for getting up three one

952
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: And that's the fact I want you one day to

953
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: go look at the teams. Uh that team detried to

954
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: end up winning it. Yeah, you know they were loaded.

955
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: They were loaded. Um and I still to this day

956
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: thing I'm the creator of Tayshawn Prince because we had

957
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: them on the Wrotes and um, Tashawn Kings in game five,

958
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, he hadn't played much. They didn't play him

959
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: much at all. And then uh Rick Carlisle puts it

960
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 1: in Tashawn Prince and at the end of that game,

961
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: like he plays really well and for game five he

962
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: starts game six. By game seven he was like their

963
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: go to guy. Uh. It was crazy how quickly that changed.

964
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: And you know they started double team in Tea Mac,

965
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: which they should and we were throwing it to you know,

966
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: Andrew the Clerk and Gordon Gear said they might didn't

967
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: have we didn't have a lot of places to go

968
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: and we knew that going in the series. Uh, but

969
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: they didn't double team him early and Team mack Tea.

970
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: Max single handedly got us at three one, and then

971
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: unfortunately he struggled from there, but not because of him.

972
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: They just sent the whole team at him, and they

973
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 1: dared somebody else in our team to beat him. Yeah.

974
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 1: So next season get off to a rough start eleven games.

975
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: You guys part ways looking back on that Orlando experience,

976
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: what was the most frustrating part about the whole thing? Well,

977
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: that we couldn't get healthy. I mean, no brand Hill.

978
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. Um, we didn't traded Mike Miller,

979
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: which turned out to get terrible trade because of no

980
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: brand Hill. We're trying to get more players, right, So

981
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: it was that thing set up the whole thing. Um,

982
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: it was time to go. Honestly, and I don't say

983
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: that often, but uh that that next year we started

984
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: out like three or four starters are out on a

985
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: on a very below average team. Um, you know, I'm

986
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: being honest. It was I felt like when John Gabriel

987
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: walked in my room, I was like, I hope he's

988
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: telling me that he was ready. He said, yeah, I

989
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: was ready, and I think they were ready to they

990
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: need to go in another direction. And you know, I

991
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: always look back on that. Without that start, I wouldn't

992
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: be here. So you got you take a break, do

993
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 1: a little bit of TV. What was it like getting

994
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: call from the Celtics, Well, it was crazy. You know.

995
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: The first day off my job, Isaiah calls me and

996
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: he wants to talk about New York and I told her,

997
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: I said, a new way in my coaching right now.

998
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,959
Speaker 1: I'm taking the rest of this year off, gonna chill.

999
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: I got to do uh the NBA with with with

1000
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: al Michaels. Think about it. I was doing the NBA

1001
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: games with the great Al Michaels, who's become one of

1002
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: my best friends and and so that was cool. Uh,

1003
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: It's funny. Danny calls me and says he wants to

1004
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: um talk and I won't. I said, no, man, you

1005
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: got a coach right now. And he was like, Doc

1006
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: is an interim coach? I said, Dany, I just I

1007
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: don't want to be seen talking to you. It's just that,

1008
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: you know. So I was all concerned. So Danny, as

1009
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: Danny ainge is, He says, alright, Doc, it's an interim coach,

1010
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: all right, So um, why don't you let's meet okay

1011
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: and just talk and we'll meet in a place where

1012
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: like nobody will know. And I said sure, and I said,

1013
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: I'll do that as long as the one can see us.

1014
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: And I say when he said, right now, I'm at

1015
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: the Ritz out at Disney in a suite I went

1016
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: to so you know, already flown in and it was crazy.

1017
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: So I drive way out. We're in a room talking

1018
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: and he says, I want you to be the coach

1019
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: and I said, man, I don't. I don't know Danny

1020
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: that you know, if you looked at that team back then,

1021
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: they were that very good and he had his whole plan,

1022
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: like he kept talking about this plan and so I

1023
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: said no. Um. And then about you know, right when

1024
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: they fired the interim coach, he calls and say, hey, man,

1025
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: open your gate. That's how he called. Like he didn't

1026
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: call and say he wanted to talk. He tells me

1027
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: to open my gate. Um at my house and I look,

1028
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: there's an suv outside. And so I opened the door

1029
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: and Danny and all three owners walk in, no heads

1030
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: up and nothing, no heads up at all. Yeah, And

1031
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: I started laughing and I was like, Danny, man, you're

1032
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: you're an aggressive dude. He started laughing. He says, I

1033
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: know what I want. Um, I got a plan. Uh,

1034
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: you're in the plan. And so I took the job,

1035
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, And it was it was I'm glad that

1036
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: I took the job, guys, because it was the Celtics,

1037
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: not because they had a team that you thought you

1038
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: could win with at that time. I took the job because,

1039
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I remember saying, if the Celtics, the

1040
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: Lakers or the Knicks offered me a job right now,

1041
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: I gotta take it because those are the teams you know,

1042
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: for me growing up, you would have to take. So

1043
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: what was Danny's vision that actually became your vision after that?

1044
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: What was he selling you on outside of the tradition

1045
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: of of of being a Celtics coach that we're gonna rebuild, Um,

1046
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it through the draft. We're gonna do

1047
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: it through free ag and see um, and it would

1048
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: take three or four years. Uh. He did say one thing,

1049
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: and he was right. It's it's gonna be a couple

1050
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 1: of tough years for you. Uh, but I'll protect you now,

1051
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: you guys know, like I know, that doesn't happen often. Uh,

1052
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: it really doesn't. So I I tell coaches all the

1053
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: time I was one of the lucky ones. Like we were.

1054
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: We lost eighteen games in a row. Um. We were struggling,

1055
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: and I had a DM every single game. And I'm

1056
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: not exaggerating. At every game. If he wasn't there, he

1057
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: would call, I'm sorry, hanging there. I'm sorry hanging there.

1058
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: Trust me, we're gonna get this right because they were.

1059
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I was getting booed. Um. There were there

1060
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: were games where people were paper bags with fire, doc fire,

1061
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: Daniel Um and I used to come in sometimes I'm like, Danny,

1062
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: you're off scouting somewhere. You don't have to take this

1063
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: heat every day. I I gotta take it every day,

1064
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: every press conference. I mean, I'm getting Remember Bill Simmons

1065
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 1: was pushing to get me fired because I wasn't playing

1066
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: Marcus Banks. You know what, like, oh, hey, don't say

1067
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: excuse me, coach, I don't. I don't mean to interrupt you,

1068
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: but don't say that name too loud. On this show, Matt,

1069
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: Matt has nightmares of Marcus Banks. We can't really tell

1070
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: you the story, but just no, that has nightma Marcus Banks,

1071
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: Marcus Bank crossed him over, doctor, and he never forgot that.

1072
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: He's never forgot it. Matt random down and drive to

1073
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: herd phone that I should have the way he crossed

1074
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: me in our trips. But back to your story, Fuck

1075
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: you Jack, Back to your story. Doctor. Yeah. So that was,

1076
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, And so it was crazy because we thought

1077
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: we were going to get the first one pick in

1078
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: that lintery with Katie Um and Greg Oldham, right, and

1079
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, we're sitting in the room, remember in the

1080
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: draft when they did the lottery. You're talking about a

1081
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: depressing moment. You know, we lost all these games, we're struggling.

1082
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: We got Paul Pierce, so we know we got one,

1083
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: and then we get like the fifth pick, and I'm

1084
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: sitting around thinking. And the thing that I remember the

1085
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: most about that day Danny was not that Danny had

1086
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: a second He's already and already moved on. And he

1087
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: immediately said, we're gonna get Kevin Garnett. We're even go

1088
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: out to Kevin Garnett. And I'm thinking, all right, well,

1089
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: Paul and Kevin, we got something going. People don't remember

1090
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: that Kevin turned us down. Kevin had a no trade

1091
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: cause in his contract, and so we had a deal

1092
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: for Kevin Garnett on draft day and Kevin said no,

1093
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm not coming you'all You're all not good enough. And

1094
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: so we didn't did half of that trade and went out.

1095
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: We got Reality. And so then Kevin caused his agent

1096
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: and says, wait a minute, they got Paul Pierce and Reality,

1097
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: I want to come to the Celtics. The problem is

1098
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: we gave Way half the package to see Adam, and

1099
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking, now we're not gonna get Kevin. And

1100
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:13,959
Speaker 1: I remember the day that I knew we were gonna

1101
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: get him. I was golfing with Michael and Danny and

1102
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: Johnny Joe, our equipment manager, and um, Kevin and I

1103
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: am the card and Kevin says, man, I just want

1104
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: the best young big man a belt. I don't care

1105
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: what else I get. And right when he said that,

1106
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: I was thinking, we're gonna get Kevin Garnett because Al

1107
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: Jefferson was the best young big man in the league.

1108
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: And right when he said that, I just figured I

1109
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: didn't know who else. I remember when Danny told me

1110
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: to trade. I don't remember it to this day. I

1111
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: just know Al was in it. And I'm telling you

1112
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: it felt like eight other guys like Danny gave him

1113
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: everybody and the only one that Danny would not give up.

1114
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: Was Randa you want to kid? KG said he wanted

1115
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: to keep that African kid. We had uh KG on

1116
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: the podcast, And to back up a little bit, he

1117
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: said he was waiting for Kobe to hit him back.

1118
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: He said he was back and forth. He said he

1119
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: really wanted to go play with Kobe, but he said

1120
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: Kobe wouldn't return his calls at all. And then I

1121
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: guess right actually, and then that's what led to you guys.

1122
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: But he said one thing, one of what he told

1123
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: us on the show was one thing. He's like, you know,

1124
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: y'all gotta keep that African kid. Funny, Uh, it ends

1125
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: up being Rondo. So how important was it to keep Rondo?

1126
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: From his point of view? And then what you guys

1127
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: saw Rondo's potential to be for that team, well, we're

1128
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: gonna win it without. I mean, he was the orchestrator.

1129
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: Um And you guys been around Rondo a little bit, right, stubborn,

1130
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: hard noses, competitive to do and to keep those three happy,

1131
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: you needed somebody that. Yeah, and it was rare when

1132
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: you see a guy in his second year right willing

1133
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: to tell Paul or Ray or Kevin. Just back up,

1134
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: I got this, you know, because he has supreme confidence,

1135
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: and so we needed a personality like Rondo uh to

1136
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: kind of keep those guys in check. And rund was

1137
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: an orchestrator man like um the best game caller, you

1138
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: know how they call him baseball the catchers are great

1139
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: game callers. Runner was the best game caller I've ever

1140
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: ever coached. Like he knew. He's one of the few

1141
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: guys I would give you know, Matt, he saw that,

1142
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: both of you saw that place. She'd always keep in

1143
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: my pocket autos. I would give it one of the

1144
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: Rundo before every game. And so when we came to

1145
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: the TAMN time out, there were oftentimes I'm about to say,

1146
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: like slice twist runs already total he would already know it,

1147
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: or he would he would look at me and we'd

1148
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: say something like, uh, fifteen now at the same time,

1149
01:04:53,600 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: like our relationship that way, you can't get better, uh uh.

1150
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: When you're point guard and your head coach are a

1151
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: lot as far as offensively and what you should be doing. Um,

1152
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 1: it's it's a powerful filler. It's rare. I don't think

1153
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: you get that very often. We have the luxury of

1154
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: interviewing Rondo KG Paul. We just interviewed Perk last week,

1155
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: and you know, Rondo was adamant about you know, you

1156
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: shaped him not only as a player, but a man.

1157
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: And then to hear what he did for you and

1158
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: be able to hold that team accountable, that's a dope

1159
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: for me, interview. And that's just dope because he told

1160
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: me how much you meant to him, and then you're

1161
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: telling me how much he meant to that team. And

1162
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: obviously it was a special moment. It was. And you know, Matt,

1163
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: I remember when I first started coaching, I got a

1164
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: lot of bad advice from other coaches, honestly, that you

1165
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: don't get closer players, you don't talk get involved in

1166
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: their lives and there. And I couldn't disagree that more.

1167
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: I think you do. Uh. Now, Unfortunately, you'll lose a

1168
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: relationship here and there because you're being honest with a guy.

1169
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: He's in a place doing something in his life. You know,

1170
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: I don't get involved in the silly stuff, but I

1171
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: just get involved in the man stuff, you know. Um,

1172
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: And I just tell them the truth sometimes and sometimes

1173
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: that goes well and sometimes it doesn't. But at the

1174
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: end of the day, Uh, it needed to be said

1175
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm glad I've done and with Rhondo

1176
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: and Peru because they were so young man Like, there

1177
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: are times you have to get involved. Um, that's not

1178
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: the way you carry yourself. That's not what you do,

1179
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: you know. Um. And they didn't want to hear it,

1180
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: and you know, both of them guys. Uh. But at

1181
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: the end of the day, what it did, it built

1182
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: a relationship that will last for ever. Absolutely. So what

1183
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: is your message? Obviously you got you got your own

1184
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: Big three. Now what is your message to that team?

1185
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: Because obviously on paper you look incredible expectations up through

1186
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: the roof. What are you telling the guys at this

1187
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: point right now? It's it's not a really a message matter,

1188
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: it's work like, Um, we have worked to do we're

1189
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: we were so far are from being there, um and

1190
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: and so. But the biggest thing I would say, the

1191
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: one word with this group is accountability. Like this team

1192
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: needed to be held accountable um for not just to

1193
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: play for their actions for everything, uh, and not just

1194
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: me holding them accountable. We gotta hold each other acco.

1195
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: We gotta all be accountable. And I think we're not there,

1196
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: but we're working on it. We're much a better I

1197
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: love it, Um, I probably pronounced it wrong. Tell me

1198
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: what that word? Men? And why will it so perfect

1199
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: for that team? It's really perfect for everyone in everyday life.

1200
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: A person is a person through other people. I can

1201
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: be all I can be unless you are all you

1202
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: can be. Um, I can never be. One of the

1203
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: greatest words in the Boot two and it's a philosophy.

1204
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: It's not just a word. Desmond too too, um and

1205
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: Mandela used it to unify Africa, uh and and and

1206
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: so when you go to Africa, they lived in they're

1207
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: trying to live in Boot to Life, um. And one

1208
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: of the greatest words or mean parts in it is

1209
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: this thing. I can never be threatened by your good

1210
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: because you're good means I'm good. You guys have been

1211
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: on teams where when one player starts being good, another

1212
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: players threatened by it. You know what I mean? The clappers? Yeah, yeah,

1213
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: you said that. But you know what's funny, Matt, You

1214
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: noticed I didn't use the boots and stuff. Every just different.

1215
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: You know It's funny, Sam, Like, why won't you use

1216
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: in booting with this group? I said, because we don't.

1217
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: We don't. I'm not using that word. I'm not even

1218
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: using it, you know, and so that team didn't. Unfortunately,

1219
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: that that team bugs me to this day. You and

1220
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: everybody else, Doc, you and everybody else, Man, I tell you,

1221
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: and Matt you you probably heard about some of the meetings.

1222
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: Hold hold, hold, hold hold, but let's get let's get

1223
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: through that. We're gonna get there. Let's get through the

1224
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: Celtics because I want to hear about this. So after

1225
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: you know, you get through, you picked the word. You

1226
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: guys are bonding with it. What are practices like? Because,

1227
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: like I said, that was one thing that all four

1228
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: of those guys had mentioned, that practices were fucking wars.

1229
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: It was awesome. I gotta tell you on that word though.

1230
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: So I've come up with this word. I get it

1231
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: introduced to me by a trustee at Marquette. I'm on

1232
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: a board at Marquette as a trustee, and another one

1233
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: told this lady told me I need to study this word,

1234
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,799
Speaker 1: and I did so I love it. So I decided

1235
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 1: the first day of practice is in Rome, and so

1236
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: I grabbed big baby Leon Poe. I can't remember the

1237
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: other rookies, but those are two of them, and we

1238
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: sit in my room for about two hours. It's like

1239
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: study all and I told him they're gonna present this

1240
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: word to the t and they can see that I

1241
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: was not messing around, like it ain't a joke, Like

1242
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: we're not gonna fun with this, You're gonna present this.

1243
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, Liam poem baby. That next

1244
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: day they threw down like they they hit every point everything,

1245
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 1: And so they call in Celtics one to three and

1246
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: boot two and then practice starts and this Matt the

1247
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: first practice, guys, this is what I knew. I said,

1248
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: we're on the south. Paul Pierce calls one of those

1249
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: superstar files, you know. In practice, we're scrimmaging second unit

1250
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: versus first un. Paul gets filed. That's a fire. Um

1251
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: pose like, no, you ain't getting that, and Paul says

1252
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: it's a fault. You know, Paul, I want the ball,

1253
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: and so me and Tom Tipoteau was sitting there and

1254
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: tips it looks at me, you're gonna get involved as

1255
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 1: an So I want to see where this is going.

1256
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: There there are doing and then uh, Posey just grabs

1257
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: the ball to Paul's hands and inbounds it and they

1258
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 1: started going the other way and Eddie House makes it

1259
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: three and starts talking crap, you know, Eddie House, Tony Allen.

1260
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: Tony Allen then picks Ray, goes down and dumps the

1261
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: ball and it starts talking and Leon, I mean Leon

1262
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: poem baby. They were just all they're on the first unit,

1263
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: They're like, no, we don't care who you are. Y'all

1264
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: not beating us. And the second unit destroyed them that

1265
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: first they beat them all three uh scrimmages. And on

1266
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: the bus back they're all the talk because the phones

1267
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't work, which I thought it helped, you know, we're

1268
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: in Europe. That next day, it was it was a

1269
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: devastation the first unit. I mean they beat the second

1270
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: unit so bad it was unbelievable. And every day it

1271
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: was back and forth and you loved it. Yeah. Man,

1272
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: if you got a second group, or if you have

1273
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: road players that have the ability to keep the stars accountable.

1274
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: Uh that that didn't they understand who they are. But

1275
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: we let you get away with Cradic. Man. You you

1276
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: gotta held the team and that's what we had. Posing

1277
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: was huge on that team because of that. What was

1278
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: it like having Kg and his energy around every day?

1279
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: Because his energy is not just on the court, it's

1280
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: off the court, but particularly on the court, what was

1281
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: it like his energy and how infectious was that? He's

1282
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: his hope. He changes the culture just with his actions

1283
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: every day. I've never seen a superstar that holds himself

1284
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: so accountable to the team and every day. You know,

1285
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: me and him have have some m f days because

1286
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 1: I was trying to take him out of practice and

1287
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 1: and he didn't want to come out of practice. Now.

1288
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: He used to mumble crazy stuff like warriors don't come

1289
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: out of practice. Warriors don't come out of practice. I

1290
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: was like, all right, warrior, were you just gotta sit

1291
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: down right now? But was no Problian've told you so.

1292
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: What he would do when you took him out of practice.

1293
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: He would start standing on the sideline and mocking what

1294
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: his guy was doing was in for him, Like the

1295
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: guy jumped, he would jump the guy sleet. He was

1296
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: like he was running on the side of the court

1297
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: like he was running in the scrimmage. And I'm sitting

1298
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: like this dude is crazy. Yeah, And I didn't buy

1299
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: Like Kevin was one of those guys from Afar. You're like,

1300
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: there's no way this energy is real. Come on, man,

1301
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: nobody's got this much energy and then after two days

1302
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: of practice, I was like, this dude is real. It's

1303
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: for real, and it was every day. I loved how

1304
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: he held everybody accountable, Uh, don't mess up and shoot

1305
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: around Matt now with KG Man and then by the

1306
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: end of it, which I knew was was hilarious. It

1307
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: Rond will start doing it like Rondo knew every play

1308
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 1: from five years ago. He knows everything and with Ronda,

1309
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: with me and Tom Thibodeau, he couldn't wait for us

1310
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: to make a mistake. Oh, he loved it. It It made

1311
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: his day. He would actually laugh like around if I

1312
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: actually said, um, you know like Matt Burns, you know

1313
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: he goes right now, no no, no, no, he goes

1314
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: a loud. I mean it made you study like you're

1315
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: just right. This little joker is gonna be on me.

1316
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: So it was a great group to go. I have

1317
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: a question from the outside looking in, from the three superstars,

1318
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: it looked like as players when we watched that KG

1319
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: was kind of the one that took a step back

1320
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: and allowed Paul to continue to be great, ready to

1321
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: do what he does, and he just plugged any kind

1322
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 1: of hole you guys had on any either side of

1323
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, I would say that's true, even though

1324
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: I thought Ray probably had to give up the most shots. Yeah,

1325
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, um so, but KG was the easiest in

1326
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: that respect, like KG would do anything. I got on KG.

1327
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: You more. Uh, And I hope Paulden told you the story.

1328
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: Before the Cleveland game one, I kept saying the word twenty.

1329
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: I said, so twenty, and the word is twenty, And

1330
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: I kept saying twenty, and everybody was looking at me.

1331
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett has to take twenty shots. Twenty shots. I

1332
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: said it like nineteen times, and finally the whole team

1333
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: started joining in. Kevin was pissed because you know, I

1334
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: kept because we needed him. I think Antoine Jamison was

1335
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: a power forward and that was an advantage for us

1336
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: um and so Kevin that first couple of games went off.

1337
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: But we needed him to do that because you have

1338
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: to get on Kevin to shoot because he was such

1339
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: a team player, uh that he wanted to keep the

1340
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: ball moving and play it right way. And I used

1341
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: to tell him, you know, Kevin, sometimes we're moving the

1342
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: ball to you, we don't want you to pass it

1343
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 1: once it hits you, you know. But he was great. Yeah,

1344
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: So uh sixty six wins that season. Uh, elite defense.

1345
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,440
Speaker 1: But when you guys get to the playoffs, it's wartime

1346
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: seven to take the Hawks take you to seven, the

1347
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: Calves take you to seven. Uh. Lebron had just coming

1348
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: off taking his team to the finals. UM that game

1349
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: seven Verse Cleveland, UM, talk to us a little bit

1350
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: about that. That was a war. You know, our team

1351
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: hadn't been tested. Now, we didn't lose two games in

1352
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: the row that whole year, you know, so I was

1353
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 1: worried going in the playoffs. Someone asked me before the

1354
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: playoffs started, what's your one concern? So we had no adversity.

1355
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: You know, usually you have to go through something. And

1356
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: so that seven game series against Atlanta was exactly what

1357
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: we needed. Um, because we lost two games to Atlanta

1358
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: because of the city of Atlanta. I'm just gonna stop there.

1359
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: I live doc. I know city of Atlanta is undefeated. Man,

1360
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: It's it's unbelievable. So we learned that lesson, like, man,

1361
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 1: you gotta do your job. Then we get to defending

1362
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: Champs and Lebron and we get to a game seven. Man,

1363
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: Paul Pierce and Lebron. If you ever get time to

1364
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: watch a game, those two guys. They they were they

1365
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: were going and they were matching. It was very similar

1366
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: to the Dominique bird game. And they were matching played

1367
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: by play and the two biggest plays. One was a

1368
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: high school blockout on the on the jump ball, they

1369
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 1: had inside position and Lebron didn't box out Paul and

1370
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: Paul Dovan got it in front of his legs. That

1371
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: gave us the ball. And then what we call the

1372
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: greatest wonder of the world happened. Eddie House passed the ball.

1373
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 1: He passed it to p J Brown, and p J

1374
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: Brown made a big shot. UM, and think about that,

1375
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: how fourth that you are? P J Brown over All

1376
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 1: Star Break and retired All Star Breakers in New Orleans.

1377
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: And we decided to get in our car and go

1378
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: knock on his door and go get him. And we

1379
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 1: went and got him. So he was big for us.

1380
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: You get Detroit and six. What was memble about that series? Well,

1381
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: Detroit was the defending champs. They were the team to beat.

1382
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 1: Like going into that season, we knew for us to

1383
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: make it to the finals. UM, and what was crazy

1384
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: number one? We knew it was the Lakers. The Lakers

1385
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: are gonna win the West. Everyone knew that day, Like, yeah,

1386
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: he was on a mission, you know. So we were thinking, Okay,

1387
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: we we gotta beat Cleveland and we gotta go through Detroit. Uh.

1388
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: We had lost a home game in the playoffs, and

1389
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: then game two, Detroit comes in and beats us. Uh.

1390
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: Then we go back and beat him in game three

1391
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: and then close it out in game six on their floor. Um,

1392
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: it was funny, Matt like and and and Jack y'all

1393
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: both noticed. But it's funny how people set these like

1394
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: the Clippers. Remember everyone said you gotta get to the

1395
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 1: Western Finals. I was like, that's it, That's that's not

1396
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: what I want exactly. So it was funny, like I was.

1397
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: I was, I didn't stand on the stage. That's a

1398
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: like single minded championship. If you ever look back when

1399
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: they're giving us the silver ball, I didn't stand on

1400
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: the stage. That's kind of stood off because what what

1401
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: I wanted it so like I don't know why, but

1402
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: I just remember coming in and um after, you know,

1403
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: because you're supposed to celebrate it, because you gotta enjoy

1404
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: the journey. So I come in and we're all celebrating,

1405
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: and I say, guys, this is great, but we don't

1406
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: want to silver ball, I said, so let's enjoy this moment,

1407
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: but it ain't about the silver ball. And so I

1408
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: think when you're on that journey from for people on

1409
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: the outside, they're looking at how great that is, and

1410
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,560
Speaker 1: that's an accomplishment, but it's not what you want. It's

1411
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: not what you're in it for. And so that's what

1412
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: that felt like to me, Like it was awesome. You know,

1413
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,919
Speaker 1: we're going to the finals. I didn't know what to expect.

1414
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: You know, I was a coach that had never coached

1415
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: in the final. I didn't know like what to expect.

1416
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: I just knew it was the Celtics and it was

1417
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: the Lakers. And I'm not kidding, it's exactly who we

1418
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: wanted to be there. Like we wanted the Lakers to

1419
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: win the West. We wanted them to win the West.

1420
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: We wanted to be us. And then absolutely so now

1421
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,879
Speaker 1: you find yourself in the two thousand and eight finals,

1422
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: smack dab in the middle of history. Uh. You know,

1423
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: obviously with the two franchises and in their winning ways

1424
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 1: playing against Kobe. I want to drop right to Game four,

1425
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: down twenty four and the third quarter. What was that

1426
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 1: huddle like when you guys flipped that switch at the

1427
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: best moment maybe in my coaching career as far as

1428
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,719
Speaker 1: just feeling, because I really believe. I kept telling tips

1429
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: like the gonna win this game. I kept telling tives,

1430
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: I gotta find the right combination. I bet I said

1431
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: that word. I gotta find the right combination. Something's not

1432
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 1: fitting here, something's not working here. Um. And we kept

1433
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: if you watch that guy kept changing lineups, uh because

1434
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 1: we just we couldn't score uh and something I just

1435
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure it out. And then we fell on

1436
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 1: that any house Paul Pierce. Uh. We moved Paul to

1437
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: the four uh and took off that game. Um. And

1438
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: the best part moment for me was Jack Nicholson sitting

1439
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: next to me when we came back because we're down

1440
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 1: twenty four, and I kept saying, you know how coaches

1441
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: do cut it in six, Get it to six, team,

1442
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: get it to twelve. When it got to six, the

1443
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: game was over. You can feel it. And the only

1444
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 1: thing that I remember, you know about that game that's

1445
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: funny is Jack Nicholson kept yelling dug duh. He just

1446
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: kept calling my name, and I finally turned around and

1447
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: he said, we are dead men walking. That momentum is serious.

1448
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: You know, for real fans and obviously coaches and players,

1449
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,879
Speaker 1: you feel that ship like the casual not not understand

1450
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 1: of that momentum is everything. And you know, if you

1451
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: could walk a team down in those kind of situations,

1452
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: it's tough to come out of. Yeah. And then after

1453
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: that game, the thing I knew, you know, I know

1454
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: becauld you never know. But the first thing I remember

1455
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: them saying, I think it's Lamrow. We got to play

1456
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: physical like them. And right when I heard that, you

1457
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: want Umber saying that this series is over because you

1458
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: are what you are. Absolutely, you're not gonna change in

1459
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: the finals. Yeah, and you're gonna start playing like us.

1460
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: They're not beating us. Absolutely, that's your game. That's who

1461
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: we were. We had some physical just naturally. It wasn't taught.

1462
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: It was who they were dogs right game six, you're

1463
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to close out at home. From pre game

1464
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,759
Speaker 1: to the time the confetti fell, what was the energy

1465
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: and mindset of the team in yourself, Well, we didn't

1466
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 1: have a lot of time. If you remember the whole

1467
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: story that um, we both took off that next day

1468
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: at the same time the Laker plane takes off. Our

1469
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 1: plane is broke. Then the family plane is broke. Now

1470
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: come on, we're in l A A. And both of

1471
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 1: their planes take off. So we're on the ground for

1472
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: like five six extra hours and finally we were laying

1473
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: at one am on the day of the game. UM.

1474
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 1: And so it was probably one of the best decisions

1475
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: I made as a coach. I didn't we didn't have

1476
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: shot around. Think about that. For being six NBA planals,

1477
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: we didn't have shot around. I said, hey, guys, I'll

1478
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: meet in the locker room thirty five on o'clock, just

1479
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 1: like normal. And we showed up and it's the first

1480
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: time and probably the only time that I walked in

1481
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: the locker room. I said, guys, we're not gonna win

1482
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: the night. We're gonna win by a lot. We're gonna

1483
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: play the perfect game to night. This is the night

1484
01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 1: that we showed him who we actually are. UM. And

1485
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, I had the benefit of that game of

1486
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: being able to know we're gonna win the game nine minutes.

1487
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we're a forty, right, But the funny story,

1488
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, the funniest story in that game. We're forty

1489
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: or thirty eight, but like five minutes left and I

1490
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: hadn't subbed. UH, and Tom Thibodeau all people who never subbs.

1491
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,520
Speaker 1: Uh comes comes up to me and it was like, uh,

1492
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: because he used to say, Boston man, Hey, Boston man,

1493
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna You're gonna sell. And I said, when Kobe

1494
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: goes off the floor, I'm gonna sub. But until Phil

1495
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 1: takes Kobe out, I'm not taking our guys out, which

1496
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: tells you what you felt about Kobe. Yeah, we're over

1497
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 1: like this, dude. Man, I'm just know I'm not taking

1498
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 1: any chance. And then right when Phil finally subbed and

1499
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 1: we subbed everybody out, UH, and I was listen, man,

1500
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: you guys are one and there's no better filling than winning.

1501
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 1: It's it's like you have blood transfusion with your teammates

1502
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 1: and with with your franchise. And it's why you should

1503
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: play sports. It really is. It's the only reason I

1504
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: mean to make a living. It's one and then the

1505
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: other one is manage If when you got a chance

1506
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: to win and you don't, you're gonna look back on

1507
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: your career um as a player, if it's nothing other

1508
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: than the team is better. It's gonna always bother you.

1509
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: And I don't care who you are. At least for me,

1510
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: that's what it would have been. Absolutely. I remember, you know,

1511
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: we're fortunate enough to get one of Kobe's last interviews

1512
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: and he said that series right there to him was

1513
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 1: the series that always haunted him, that would make him sick,

1514
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: the fact that you guys handled him like that to

1515
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 1: win the championship. I remember talking to him right after

1516
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: the game and he's crying, he's got tears in his eyes,

1517
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: and I could feel his energy, like literally feel it.

1518
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: I told a couple of guys after the game, and

1519
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,679
Speaker 1: it was not an energy of sadness. It was an injury.

1520
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: It was I'm gonna get you, gotta see you. It

1521
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: was not I told a couple of our guys and said,

1522
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: that was not a yeah we lost, It was I'm

1523
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: gonna see you, motherfucker. Yeah destroy you. You can feel

1524
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: it like you can feel it, and um, you know

1525
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: he got us back intent Uh you know, but and

1526
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 1: that was that was obviously the hardest loss for me

1527
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: as a coach. Uh, you know, losing Perk, having a

1528
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: lead in that game. Um, you know, I'm not gonna saying,

1529
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: but the second half is called differently. I'm over it.

1530
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 1: I'm over it. But come on, man, yeah yeah, so

1531
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: uh getting so getting there? I mean obviously the next season,

1532
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, you know with with the basketball guys, you

1533
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: guys have a small window to you know, to repeat

1534
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: and win as much as you can. You guys get

1535
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: off to a hot start. KG goes down. What is

1536
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: the thought when KG goes down to February, Oh the birs.

1537
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: We had the best record, and I think we were

1538
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: like twenty three and four and three, like we were rolling,

1539
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: and um, I remember I see it still. Kevin was

1540
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 1: just running out of the court in Utah when no

1541
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: one around and grabbed the back of his knee, and

1542
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: I just remember Eddie Lissera Train was like, oh God,

1543
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: that's not good. And I was like, what do you mean?

1544
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: And he said, an injury when no one around is

1545
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 1: the worst injury you can have. It's a real injury,

1546
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: because that's a real injury. And so you know, Kevin

1547
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 1: never came back that year. Um, the fact that you know,

1548
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: we almost made it the final still without KG tells

1549
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: you about this team. Uh. But Kevin was never the same. Uh,

1550
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 1: And and I truly believe that he had a stayed healthy.

1551
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 1: We didn't want at least two, um, maybe more, but

1552
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:55,719
Speaker 1: he was never the same, probably by seventy of himself.

1553
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: Uh from that point on. Uh, and he never had

1554
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: the endurance. That's the thing to Steward out to me

1555
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: when you returned, his endurance was never the same. Um.

1556
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: So you know it changed your fate. But listen, just

1557
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: to be even to coach Kevin was worth it. Jumping

1558
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: the head to to two thousand and ten. You guys

1559
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: are the fourth seed. Obviously a chip on your shoulder

1560
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: from the year before everyone counted you guys out. Um,

1561
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: you guys take care of business. You guys in uh

1562
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,799
Speaker 1: Lebron's running Cleveland for a little while. UM. I remember

1563
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm on Orlando at the time and we're sweeping through

1564
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: the playoffs were eight and oh we had beat this

1565
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: ship out of Jack and his team in the first round.

1566
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: We handled Atlanta, and then I remember, particularly uh Stan

1567
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: Van Gundy, He's just like, you know this, you know,

1568
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: we can't be fooled by the record, you know, I mean,

1569
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: they're they're they're this, they're a veteran team, they've won.

1570
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 1: We got to make some changes and we end up

1571
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: changing up our whole approach, offensive strategy, plan, go to

1572
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: so we're kind of in shambles. You guys come out

1573
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: and just jump on us. And you know, obviously we

1574
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: were able to take it to six games, but we

1575
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: never ever to really find our footing in that series,

1576
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: and that leads to the rematch in two thousand and

1577
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: ten between you guys and the Lakers. Talk to us

1578
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: about that. You talked a little bit about it, but

1579
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 1: talk to us about that. Well, we knew it was

1580
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 1: a hell of a series, and we knew they were

1581
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: gonna have a different mindset like the first time. Uh,

1582
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 1: in eight, we were so much more physical than them. Um.

1583
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 1: And you could tell in Game one Paul Gasaw the

1584
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 1: way he was playing. They had home court advantage. Uh,

1585
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: they were, they were. They were as physical as us

1586
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 1: and that probably to the but they were different. Um.

1587
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: And you knew it was gonna be a war. Um,

1588
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,600
Speaker 1: and it really was. The series played out like we

1589
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 1: thought it would. You know, Um, we got up three too.

1590
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 1: I thought Game six was the game now like we

1591
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: were playing. Well, we got up and when Perp got hurt,

1592
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 1: um and just hurt our Like Perp was more than

1593
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: a player for us. You know, a certain guys, man,

1594
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: it's not always the numbers. It's not always the numbers.

1595
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: I guess would be like dreamind Green getting hurt um

1596
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,919
Speaker 1: uh for Golden State and it just hurt our spirit. Um.

1597
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: Speak to his importance though, because I think Perk, I mean,

1598
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: we know as players what he did and what he

1599
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: meant to basketball. But I think you know, he takes

1600
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 1: a lot of heat now because he wasn't the guy

1601
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: that put up big numbers, but I know how important

1602
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: he was to chemistry and leadership and that kind of stuff.

1603
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 1: And I'm glad to hear you say that because you know,

1604
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 1: losing him in Game six obviously was huge for you guys.

1605
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,560
Speaker 1: So it was huge. I mean, he was our enforcer.

1606
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: He allowed Kevin to beat Kevin, Like, you know, Kevin

1607
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 1: didn't have to do any of the dirty work because

1608
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: Perk did it all, you know for him. Uh. He

1609
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 1: was a phenomenal defender. Uh. He wrote, He did all

1610
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 1: the things you asked him to do, and he was

1611
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: such an intangible player. Um. I mean pers like I

1612
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 1: was honest with if I ever call you a number,

1613
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: he was a mistake, Like I'm not going to you,

1614
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 1: but you're gonna get it anyway. You're gonna get Um,

1615
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna run the floor, We're gonna throw it to you.

1616
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 1: So Perk did everything you asked him, like he was

1617
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: the perfect player to have on the championship team. And um,

1618
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 1: you know he was over himself, like he didn't he

1619
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: wanted to win. It's what drove him. And so he

1620
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 1: wasn't worried about himself. Uh, and losing him and his

1621
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: toughness and his spirit. When you think about the Lakers

1622
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: had twenty three offensive rebounds in Game seven, you're not

1623
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 1: winning that game and we still could have won. But

1624
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 1: that also doesn't happen with Perk in there though. You know,

1625
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen to Purpose in there. And then

1626
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: Perk also is not just gonna allow some of this

1627
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: stuff like put somebody down. Yeah, that's just pert, you know.

1628
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 1: And so um, you know, listen, that's that was a

1629
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,799
Speaker 1: tough one because that was a close team. Rashid Wallace

1630
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,719
Speaker 1: was on that team. Gave us everything that he had.

1631
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 1: You know, it's one of my big regrets, Like Rashid

1632
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: never got in great shape that year. And you know,

1633
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: if I could redo that, I would have I would

1634
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: have made sure he was in better condition because it

1635
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 1: came down. I mean, he was such at that age

1636
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 1: where he had to be careful, you know, But it

1637
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:14,759
Speaker 1: came down to us needing him for thirty five minutes

1638
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: and he didn't have it, Um, and and that that

1639
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 1: changed the fortune of that game. Um. Looking back on

1640
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: the obviously Lakers going to win that championship. Looking back

1641
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: on it, obviously, you know rest in peace, Code were

1642
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: just a little bit over a year from losing him

1643
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 1: and Gig and everyone else. What was it like competing

1644
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 1: against him? You said it in the first championship run

1645
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 1: like Funk being up thirty until Kobe goes off the floor.

1646
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm not seven, So what was it like going at

1647
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 1: him twice in the finals. He was a perfect opponent,

1648
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 1: Like he was a guy like if you could, as

1649
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 1: a kid, could script the villain, the opponent you wanted

1650
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: to go against, it's him. But that's Kobe, Like he

1651
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: you knew if you didn't bring it, he wont Like

1652
01:32:55,360 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 1: you knew that, and so it just made you prepare.

1653
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 1: It made you getting ready and it and you guys

1654
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: have been around him, play with you know, it's more

1655
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 1: than just play as mental too, like you have to

1656
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: have them, you have to have mental toughness to play

1657
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: against any game that Kobe was in. Um, and you

1658
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: have to sustain his greatness and be okay with it. Uh.

1659
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: I thought Ray Allen, like Ray didn't get enough credit.

1660
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Ray was had no issues guarding Kobe. You know, whether

1661
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 1: Kobe played well or not, Ray was. I'm the next

1662
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 1: day Ray showed up, was ready again. Um, and you

1663
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:39,679
Speaker 1: need that tight because Kobe is Uh. Elijahlan was one

1664
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: they can take your soul away. Like if you don't

1665
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: watch it in your series with a Kobe Bryant and

1666
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's Lebron, they they're playing so well, it takes

1667
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: your goodness away, you know, and then you don't play

1668
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: well anymore. We saw that with with David against Elijahlan

1669
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 1: in that series with San Antonio. You know, Elijah David

1670
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: played good in this series, but Elijah On was so

1671
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 1: dominant that it just kind of took your spirit away.

1672
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: And and Ray was phenomenal. Ray. Ray showed up the

1673
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 1: next day ready to go. It was awesome. Uh. Summer

1674
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, UM, Lebron and Boss go to

1675
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: Miami to build their own Big three. What's the reaction

1676
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 1: from you guys? Uh? You know knowing you guys are

1677
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 1: getting a little bit older, knowing you guys you know,

1678
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 1: did it a different way. But they created it through

1679
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: free agency and talking to each other and jump And

1680
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 1: what was your guys thoughts about them being able to

1681
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:37,480
Speaker 1: create their big three in Miami? It didn't bother us. Um,

1682
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, I knew, listen, I've been around the league.

1683
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: I knew the clock was ticking in. It was really

1684
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 1: taking you know, you know it starts speeding up at

1685
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 1: the end. That was our clock. Um, and I really

1686
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 1: thought after ten, we may have just jumped out of

1687
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 1: that window, you know, but we were still so tough minded.

1688
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: Uh we got up three two and them you know, um,

1689
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, not the first year but the second year

1690
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 1: that we played him, and that was even crazier because

1691
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: we were older. We didn't have a great team, man,

1692
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: but it was our mental toughness. Literally just almost beat him.

1693
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 1: And then that's the game to me, Lebrian Game six

1694
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:26,640
Speaker 1: in the garden, Like you know, it's funny you go

1695
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 1: back and you look at your game plan, your game

1696
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 1: plan when Lebrian making threes from everyone you know, and

1697
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: he did, and you gotta give it to Uh. Then

1698
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 1: we went in Miami and almost beat him in that

1699
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 1: game seven. So they were just tough. You know that

1700
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 1: that team, it's a great example. You can put a

1701
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: team together, but you gotta become a team. UM. In

1702
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 1: the first year in Miami, they lost because it was

1703
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: all about those three guys. It wasn't a team. They

1704
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 1: didn't include the Chalmers and everybody else, you know, But

1705
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: that following year they did, and that's when they wanted.

1706
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 1: So the biggest thing with Lebron I'll share this is

1707
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: we played him in Cleveland, Lebron just showed up and

1708
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: played games. When we played him in Miami, Lebrian knew

1709
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: the game, he he knew our calls, he knew what

1710
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: we were running. So he had a change in his approach. UM,

1711
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: And I don't know who got to him or whatever,

1712
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: but it was when you saw it, you knew everybody

1713
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: was in trouble. So they they go on to win

1714
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 1: that UM in a tough game. Did you guys kind

1715
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: of know that was the beginning of the end for

1716
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: you guys in twelve? Yeah? Yeah, I mean it was.

1717
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 1: It was pretty obvious. UM. Danny was already talking about it.

1718
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 1: UM almost stopped coaching in eleven. I think, Um, you

1719
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:49,560
Speaker 1: know at that point, what eight seven years in a

1720
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 1: row in Boston or eight years in a row in Boston,

1721
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:56,720
Speaker 1: five years in Orlando, And I was thinking, man, I

1722
01:36:56,760 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 1: need a year, you know I do? And what happened.

1723
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 1: I think the lockout was a savior. It was awesome

1724
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 1: Christmas and that gave me a break. And I was

1725
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 1: so fortunate because that was awesome freshman year in college.

1726
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,679
Speaker 1: So I got to watch every one of his games

1727
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 1: up until, you know, after Christmas, which was cool for me,

1728
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:21,640
Speaker 1: and it kind of gave me some more juice. So

1729
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 1: I went back and coached that that one more year

1730
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 1: before leaving. So Ray's departure in two thousand twelve was that,

1731
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: uh surprise to anyone? Everyone? Did anyone know talk to

1732
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 1: us about that? You know, it wasn't a surprise. It

1733
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 1: wasn't completely wasn't surprise, but it wasn't complete surprise. I

1734
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 1: knew Ray wasn't happy. You know. Um, this is where

1735
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:49,560
Speaker 1: coaching gets tough, and I think players will never understand

1736
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 1: and unless they get into this is where you got Ray,

1737
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 1: you got Rando. You gotta coach them both and like

1738
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 1: them both, but each guy wants you to like the

1739
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: other one more and I like the other him lass

1740
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 1: and so you're you're kind of stuff, you know, Matt.

1741
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 1: You saw a little bit about that me in in

1742
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 1: l A. And it just puts you as a coach

1743
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 1: and in such a difficult position. Um, because we wasn't

1744
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: getting rid of Rundo, you know. Uh. And so it

1745
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 1: just got to the point where Ray was Ray was out. Um.

1746
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 1: You know when I was pissed too, because he was

1747
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 1: going to Miami all teams of all teams not that

1748
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, but it was funny like I got over

1749
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 1: it quick like at the end of the day, you know,

1750
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 1: we go into Miami, I get up and make sure

1751
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 1: I've talked to him, give him a hugead and talk

1752
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 1: to him since at that point, uh, and our guys

1753
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 1: getting home shoulder. Uh. And I told him after the games, man,

1754
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 1: we y'all gotta get over that, bro. This guy helped

1755
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 1: us one the title. They're still not over I was say, hey, no,

1756
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 1: what we talked to was over it. It's crazy. I

1757
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 1: tried to getting all last year proposed retirement. I tried

1758
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: to get involved. I had I thought I had Ray

1759
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 1: talked in the coming. Um, he was worried, you know,

1760
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 1: by getting booed, which he would not know. Fansom and

1761
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: then Bryan doing them got to doing their stuff again,

1762
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 1: and I just respectfully stepped back. Huh. Yeah, I said,

1763
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm out of this, and I'm like, I gotta coach

1764
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: these guys here. But I do hope man that they can.

1765
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 1: They gotta get it together. They meant too much of

1766
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah. Uh, summer thirteen, it's time to rebuild.

1767
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: Um KG and Paul go to Brooklyn. You get traded

1768
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 1: to the Clippers, a coach being traded. How did how

1769
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: did how did that trade come about for you? Well?

1770
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 1: It was crazy. If you guys remember the whole contract

1771
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: thing with with with Sterling. I was just listen. I

1772
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:56,440
Speaker 1: was so concerned because I heard from every coach about

1773
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:59,879
Speaker 1: how he backs out of deals, that he wouldn't make coaches,

1774
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 1: and so you know, I literally had in my contract.

1775
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 1: Did any contract dispute happened? David Stern had to be

1776
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: the mediator, you know, because what Sterling had done, I

1777
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 1: guess in the past, was tie up deals in court

1778
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 1: because he knew he was a wealthy guy, he could

1779
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 1: tie it up forever. And so like I was telling

1780
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 1: you guys, like if I was doing that, Like, what

1781
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 1: the hell was I thinking about? You know? Now? Like

1782
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:27,760
Speaker 1: what was I thinking about? And what I was thinking

1783
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 1: about was that team. They were loaded. They were loaded,

1784
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 1: and they're never getting there after it all finished, and

1785
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: within a week we have this j J. Rennick thing.

1786
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 1: You know. Well, the first thing I was told when

1787
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 1: I took the job that we wasn't gonna keep lads.

1788
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:47,640
Speaker 1: And see, I thought starting leading Chris would have been

1789
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 1: an interesting backcourt. But they were saying, no, he's gonna

1790
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 1: want to get paid, We're not gonna pay him, and

1791
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,479
Speaker 1: so we're gonna trade him. That's the one thing you

1792
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 1: have to do. And so I said, okay, um. So

1793
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 1: we ended up doing this deal for j J. Reddick,

1794
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 1: who I thought fifty team really well. And the deal

1795
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 1: was done. J J had agreed to go to Minnesota,

1796
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: he backtracked to come to us. We talked him in

1797
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 1: and change in his mind. Deals done. I fly back

1798
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 1: home to Orlando, I land and Andy Roser calls me

1799
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 1: and said that the j J deal is off. And

1800
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean is off? Sterling change

1801
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:28,439
Speaker 1: his mind? So he can't change his mind. We we

1802
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,679
Speaker 1: just agreed to a deal. You can't do that, and

1803
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 1: and so he said, doc because and MATH been around

1804
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 1: enough to know and he's not fighting now and Sterling nothing,

1805
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:43,720
Speaker 1: so it leaves you to have to fight. And so

1806
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: I called him up. We are literally, I'm in the

1807
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:51,679
Speaker 1: garage in Orlando, going back and forth with my owner.

1808
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:56,799
Speaker 1: I've never had that like and and I'm screaming, and

1809
01:41:57,160 --> 01:42:01,640
Speaker 1: finally I said, listen, I quit, come out. You're not

1810
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,640
Speaker 1: going anywhere. I won't allow you to go anywhere. And

1811
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 1: I said I quit, and I hoped the photo and

1812
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 1: so I drive home and I remember getting home, Uh,

1813
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 1: tell my act at the time, I said, uh, I

1814
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 1: don't think I'm the coach of the Clippers anymore. And

1815
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,599
Speaker 1: I called my agent and tell him the same thing,

1816
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 1: and within thirty minutes and he calls me, great job.

1817
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 1: Uh the deals done. I don't know to this day

1818
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: why it was. It was just done. Sterling out a

1819
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 1: problem with jin because he was white. You know, think

1820
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 1: about that one. He had a problem with Jinja because

1821
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: he was white. Because he was white. He didn't want

1822
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 1: to pay a white dude jack the ship was crazy. Yeah,

1823
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:47,640
Speaker 1: he didn't like white players for some reason. And I

1824
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh. So that was the start

1825
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: of my Clipper career. How was it? I mean, like

1826
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 1: I said, I'm right in the mix with you. How

1827
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: was it building with Chris individually and then building with

1828
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 1: Blake as well? It was just different. They both were

1829
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 1: so different. Um. You know, Chris is the most competitive

1830
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 1: guy you could be around, you know, Um and and

1831
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:15,599
Speaker 1: and so you know, man, I guess if I could

1832
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,680
Speaker 1: look back, like there was damage done already before I

1833
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 1: got there, right, Um, and I heard about it, but

1834
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, when you get in it, you see it.

1835
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 1: But it was such a passive aggressive It wasn't it

1836
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 1: was weird. Yeah, it wasn't weird. It wasn't in your

1837
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 1: face kind of ship. It was sneaky ship. Yeah. And

1838
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: that's what killed me. Like because you would have a

1839
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 1: talk with him both, everything's good. You would talk to

1840
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 1: them both, everything's good. It's a difficult group because they

1841
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: both were extremely competitive. Um. They definitely had something you know,

1842
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 1: Um I had. There was things that had happened before

1843
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:01,600
Speaker 1: I got there that I didn't know. Um. And you

1844
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 1: know that you learned that. My job is to come

1845
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 1: in and try to get them to see past themselves.

1846
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 1: And you know, y'all you both have been on team.

1847
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 1: You don't have to love each other. You just have

1848
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 1: to figure out a way of giving each other room

1849
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:19,800
Speaker 1: to play co exists and respect each other co exists.

1850
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 1: I mean Bill Russel when I was in Boston said

1851
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: the deepest thing, Like he said, if I'm the only

1852
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:26,720
Speaker 1: one they can be great on the team, you can

1853
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 1: never win, right. I have to be great and give

1854
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 1: everybody enough room so they can be great in their

1855
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 1: space too. And that was like it just you know

1856
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 1: it was there was so passive aggressive, like I would

1857
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 1: have loved whatever. Whenever somebody on any team you don't

1858
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 1: like each other right at that moment, talk about it,

1859
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 1: get it out, call them a m f YEA. Our

1860
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 1: ship was Our ship was more sneaky subtles. It was

1861
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:00,599
Speaker 1: just it would it would it never to a head.

1862
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 1: But you can tell good times bad times. There was

1863
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 1: always something, some kind of friction there that would hold

1864
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:09,559
Speaker 1: us back. You know what for me as a coach,

1865
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 1: because my my job, Matt is um I feel like

1866
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 1: part of your job is to be a problem solved, right,

1867
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 1: And so it was difficult for me with that because

1868
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 1: you couldn't figure out what the problem was. Like it

1869
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 1: was the conversations that I had individually, as a group,

1870
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:34,600
Speaker 1: as a team. You know, it was just there was

1871
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,600
Speaker 1: always this cloud there. Would you agree with that, absolutely,

1872
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 1: but I felt like it was combustible something anytime it

1873
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 1: can blow up. But what I saw was it was

1874
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 1: black from the outside looking in because I was with

1875
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:50,240
Speaker 1: the Lakers before, so it was Blake's team, and Blake

1876
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 1: kind of put him on the map. And then CP

1877
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 1: came and it was automatically handed to CP. So I

1878
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 1: know how that kind of caused some stuff. And then

1879
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:02,719
Speaker 1: Deandre's rise. DeAndre was just the fun kicking homeboy, great rebounder, blocker,

1880
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 1: did all the dirty work. And then DeAndre started getting

1881
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,639
Speaker 1: some shine too, So now there was three shining parts

1882
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: on our team, you know what I mean. And I

1883
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 1: just think that was for some reason that was an issue.

1884
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: I kept telling DJ, you be great. Stop waiting, you know,

1885
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 1: I kept saying, stop waiting, bro, like you should be

1886
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:27,799
Speaker 1: Bill Russell. And and so you remember Matt I declared

1887
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 1: him the defensive captain of the day, and you know,

1888
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:34,960
Speaker 1: like otardly, you think that's a great movement. It was.

1889
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 1: It really helped DJ, but it also gave DJ a

1890
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 1: voice and the problem with that was now you know,

1891
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 1: Chris has a voice, and Blake has a voice, and

1892
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:48,759
Speaker 1: DJ has a voice, and so it was so interesting

1893
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 1: that group. I remember, you know, Dave Severance, who who

1894
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:54,719
Speaker 1: was there before I was there. So he I remember

1895
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 1: late in the year the first year, because I said, man,

1896
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 1: and we gotta get this team together. We gotta get

1897
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:04,800
Speaker 1: to and and I remember him saying, Doc, it's eighty

1898
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 1: times better than last year. And when he said that,

1899
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: It's scared the hell out of me because I'm thinking,

1900
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 1: if you think this is better. But I will say

1901
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 1: this about that team that first year, Matt, we were ready.

1902
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 1: We got to that Oklahoma series, that game that that

1903
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 1: we threw away like literally, um, we played at a

1904
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 1: point in that game which was unbeatable, and that loss

1905
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:40,320
Speaker 1: open up all the wounds again. I mean, Chris has

1906
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 1: been he's been the perfect player. Just had three of

1907
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 1: the worst minutes ever ever. I mean even even things

1908
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 1: that people didn't know, like we're supposed to file, you remember,

1909
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:54,760
Speaker 1: uh uh he didn't file, and then they got that's

1910
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:58,320
Speaker 1: how Durrant got that there were more mistakes made than

1911
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:02,599
Speaker 1: the people even knew, you know, and um, and then

1912
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:07,360
Speaker 1: he was crushed. He was crushed. Um, but I don't

1913
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:10,679
Speaker 1: know what it did. Like, I remember that next day

1914
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:14,000
Speaker 1: in film I had I was gonna show the film,

1915
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:16,640
Speaker 1: so we just go over it. And I walked in

1916
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 1: and y'all on me. You probably noticed to this moment um.

1917
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 1: I walked in the room and Chriss got tears in

1918
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 1: his eyes. I didn't even realize. And so I walked

1919
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 1: in and we're gonna watch film, and I motioned to

1920
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 1: our video guy, no film, M I couldn't show it.

1921
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:39,600
Speaker 1: I you know, I just felt like, and this is

1922
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 1: may go a bad place. That was the start of

1923
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 1: the fall. Yeah, I want to back up real quick

1924
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 1: though a mad man. I was there two weeks and

1925
01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 1: I felt it. Yeah, I felt and I was on.

1926
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 1: I was that short, you know, I would have stayed

1927
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:55,720
Speaker 1: along with Remember Chris Paul broke his hand, so I

1928
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:57,599
Speaker 1: had to make a trade to bring another point guard in.

1929
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:00,439
Speaker 1: But I felt at the time now and and this

1930
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 1: time I was there. It seemed like the captives was

1931
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 1: j J and DJ, because everybody got along with those

1932
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:09,799
Speaker 1: two guys, but the other two stars were basically spaced apart,

1933
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:12,519
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of guys like having to

1934
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:16,479
Speaker 1: play like double agents trying to work both sides. You know,

1935
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:18,759
Speaker 1: I was, I know I was. I was the mender

1936
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:22,599
Speaker 1: between the way Chris because sometimes I love Chris. We're

1937
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:24,679
Speaker 1: still great friends. He lives around the corner, our kids

1938
01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 1: are best friends. But Chris is old school, so the

1939
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 1: way he comes off is sometimes abrasive, but he means well.

1940
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 1: But with sometimes with DJ and Blake, I'd be like, well, Chris,

1941
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: all Chris is trying to say and I would just

1942
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:36,720
Speaker 1: frame it a different way. They're like, all right, and

1943
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:38,160
Speaker 1: go do it. You know what I mean? So it

1944
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 1: was just yes, but what but what? But but you know,

1945
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:47,120
Speaker 1: you can agree what he was trying to get across

1946
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 1: was right. His delivery was just off and that was

1947
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 1: the part. So back in the day that wouldn't have

1948
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 1: been an issue because you can yell, cuss, do what

1949
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 1: every But it was different with this next crop of guys,

1950
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 1: like you had to kind of almost talked to him

1951
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 1: a certain way. And I was just like, come on, y'all,

1952
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:03,680
Speaker 1: what the like? Uh? You know when I played I

1953
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 1: Walk in the Locker Room down made you sucked in

1954
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:11,040
Speaker 1: that bro? All right, we win without you know, and

1955
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 1: you tell me you're right, You're right? You know, that's

1956
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 1: how we talked to me from but that also was

1957
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 1: pre cell phone, pre everybody social media. Yeah, I want

1958
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 1: to I want to backtrack real quick, doc Um and

1959
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 1: touch on the Sterling situation. Obviously, we're in the playoffs

1960
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 1: and and like you said, we were ready that season,

1961
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 1: and we were the team that, you know, the last

1962
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:34,559
Speaker 1: team that knocked the Warriors off before they went on

1963
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 1: their runs. So we're in the midst of the playoffs

1964
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 1: and the Sterling situation happened. And I don't know if

1965
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 1: you get enough credit for the way you handled that ship.

1966
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 1: That ship was obviously couldn't have come in a worse time.

1967
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 1: We feel like we're a championship caliber team, and it

1968
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:51,800
Speaker 1: just puts us in a terrible position. Walk us through

1969
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 1: that evening and the next day, Um, well you were

1970
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,640
Speaker 1: telling us and and and how we're gonna figure this

1971
01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 1: out as a team. And I was a gut punch,

1972
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: uh because we were rolling. We were rolling, and you

1973
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 1: know what, uh Andy rose again like and and stuff

1974
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 1: y'all found out about. He tells me this video is

1975
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:15,720
Speaker 1: coming out, but it's not a big deal. Um, and

1976
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 1: so uh he says, I have it if you want

1977
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 1: to watch it, but it's not a big deal. So

1978
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not a big deal. I'm not gonna

1979
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 1: watch it. Seth comes running into our coaches meeting Matt

1980
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 1: five minutes before it's gonna come out on ESPN. It's

1981
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 1: a doctor. You gotta come watch this video. And so

1982
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 1: while I was watching, it was airing. It was too late,

1983
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:42,719
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm pissed, Matt, like I am seething, probably

1984
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 1: the most upset I've ever been, like coaching a team

1985
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 1: at someone. So I'm seething, and Seth is there. He's like,

1986
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:55,800
Speaker 1: you gotta calm down before you call. And so I

1987
01:51:55,920 --> 01:52:00,080
Speaker 1: call Andy twenty five times before me. He wouldn't to

1988
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 1: the damn phone. Um. So, when I walk in that

1989
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 1: meeting with you guys, I hadn't talked to anybody. I

1990
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 1: had no one to talk to, and so, and you know,

1991
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:15,240
Speaker 1: like I didn't know what to do, Like I didn't

1992
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 1: know should I wear I didn't want to wear my

1993
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 1: Clipper shirts. I called a couple of coaches as a man,

1994
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if we should wear a shirt, but

1995
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 1: if we don't wear it, like so, I mean, think

1996
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:28,280
Speaker 1: about the decisions. We're talking about a damn shirt. But

1997
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 1: on the fly though, like you said, in the middle

1998
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:32,000
Speaker 1: of a player on the fly, like I said, we

1999
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 1: had no preparation for none of this ship on the fly.

2000
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:37,320
Speaker 1: And then I walk in with my shirt. Y'all got

2001
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:42,600
Speaker 1: y'alls off, and y'all y'all shitty, like y'all who the

2002
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:45,320
Speaker 1: whole team is is? You can see guys got their

2003
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 1: arms folded while I'm talking. And that's when I finally

2004
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,400
Speaker 1: have to say, Bro, you listen, y'all. I'm Glenn Rivers

2005
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:57,880
Speaker 1: from Maywood, but I'm mad. And the only thing I wanted, man,

2006
01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 1: and I swear it like God, was guide me. Like

2007
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:05,559
Speaker 1: the first thing I thought was about all y'all you

2008
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 1: dj was please don't let them say something that then

2009
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:15,679
Speaker 1: they become the story. Um, because the worst thing and

2010
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 1: and like you guys felt this a little bit in

2011
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 1: the George Floyd thing, Stephen, you definitely would do this. Um,

2012
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 1: people react more on the response you act on a

2013
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:35,640
Speaker 1: guy who actually did the crime. Like we're stuck. Everybody

2014
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 1: wanted to know what the Clippers were gonna do, And

2015
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 1: I kept thinking the Clippers, but Donald Stirling, why are

2016
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:44,680
Speaker 1: we worried about what we're gonna do let's focus on

2017
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:48,800
Speaker 1: Donald Sterling. And so that thought kept telling me, let's

2018
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 1: have one voice. I'll be your voice. Whatever you guys

2019
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 1: tell me to say. Remember, you guys sit there and

2020
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:57,760
Speaker 1: basically gave me what I was supposed to say, and

2021
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:01,679
Speaker 1: so you guided me. Um, And that was really important

2022
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:03,080
Speaker 1: because I didn't know what to say. I didn't know

2023
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 1: exactly what to say. UM. And I remember when we

2024
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:08,719
Speaker 1: did that, and we got on the bus and maybe

2025
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:12,360
Speaker 1: we went to Oakland to that to San Francisco univers

2026
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Ye did you? And I've never asked you this.

2027
01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:18,719
Speaker 1: I knew it was a big deal, but I didn't

2028
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:21,840
Speaker 1: think it was that big of a deal. Like I

2029
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 1: didn't because I yeah, because I I mean, I shared

2030
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 1: my story. I've been through real racism, you know, my

2031
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:30,240
Speaker 1: school vandalized by the KKK, burning down buildings. To me,

2032
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 1: it was just another idiot who got caught talking bad

2033
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: about black people. But like I said, for those who

2034
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 1: haven't experienced anything like that, like some of the guys

2035
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 1: took it hard. But to me, it wasn't like and

2036
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, and you and I had the same We

2037
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:42,840
Speaker 1: were never playing for this dude anyway. We were never

2038
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:46,120
Speaker 1: playing for Sterling. We were playing for us. Point to

2039
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 1: you guys, like we're growing up talking about winning the title.

2040
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 1: Don't start the wather. You're not dream right. We weren't

2041
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 1: thinking about that food, so to me. But when we

2042
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 1: pulled up and you've remember seeing all those trucks, it

2043
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:01,880
Speaker 1: was crazy. I was shocked, Like I thought it would

2044
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 1: be a big story for ESPN in sports. It was

2045
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:07,840
Speaker 1: a world story. It was a world story. When we

2046
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 1: walked in that gym and I saw like Tom Broke

2047
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:13,440
Speaker 1: call and I'm like, oh man, you remember we y'all

2048
01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:15,520
Speaker 1: giving me what to say. We're Suppo was supposed to

2049
01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 1: do it right away, and I went over in the

2050
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 1: corner the window. For a half hour, I had to

2051
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:24,840
Speaker 1: gather myself. I was like, oh my goodness, Um, I

2052
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:27,520
Speaker 1: gotta make sure I have I gotta represent these dudes.

2053
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:30,320
Speaker 1: I got what what they just said. I gotta get

2054
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:33,000
Speaker 1: because y'all we wrote it down. I didn't even really

2055
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:35,760
Speaker 1: looked at it that much on the bus because I thought,

2056
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, you know, sage, Steve is gonna ask me

2057
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:42,720
Speaker 1: one question and we're off back to basketball. And then

2058
01:55:42,720 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 1: when I pulled up and I said there were hundreds,

2059
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:48,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, this is big. This

2060
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:52,360
Speaker 1: is bigger than I ever thought. Um. And the one

2061
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 1: thing I did know, I don't think I've ever shared

2062
01:55:55,200 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 1: with you this, Um, so you do know, like a moment.

2063
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 1: We got through that day and then that game. You

2064
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 1: remember I walked out. It was like three seconds left

2065
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:09,480
Speaker 1: on the shot clock when I came out to the floor.

2066
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 1: The game started before Golden State because Donald Sterling was

2067
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 1: coming to the game. You had to try to put

2068
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:18,440
Speaker 1: that fire out. Yeah, And so me and Andy are

2069
01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 1: having a literally an MP session on the phone. I'm sweating.

2070
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm in the hallways standing by the tunnel, yelling like

2071
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:29,200
Speaker 1: he's not coming. He's not coming to this game. He

2072
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:32,200
Speaker 1: cannot show up to this game. And finally, so when

2073
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 1: I walked out, I didn't know if he was coming

2074
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 1: to knock. So I'm nervous, thinking this is gonna be nuts. Um.

2075
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:44,680
Speaker 1: And I turned to one of the coaches and he said,

2076
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:48,080
Speaker 1: what do you think. I said, We're gonna lose and

2077
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:52,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna be bad. Well, I mean, our mind was

2078
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:54,879
Speaker 1: on everything but playing at that time. We had the world.

2079
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:57,240
Speaker 1: We had, we had the world trying to tell us

2080
01:56:57,320 --> 01:57:00,320
Speaker 1: what we should do. Boycott, sit out, don't play the

2081
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:02,440
Speaker 1: rest of the series. We're like, hold on, like we

2082
01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:04,720
Speaker 1: and I understand where everyone thought their in opinion, But

2083
01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 1: like we said before we started, we felt like we

2084
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,360
Speaker 1: had a championship caliber team, So we're not gonna let

2085
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 1: that come crashing down because of an idiot ass owner.

2086
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:15,120
Speaker 1: Like our goal is still although we probably shouldn't have

2087
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:16,960
Speaker 1: said we should have said the way they whipped our asks,

2088
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 1: we should have just said, you guys can have this game,

2089
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:20,920
Speaker 1: We'll see you back in l A. That would have

2090
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:23,960
Speaker 1: been in retrospect. I know the saved us some time

2091
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 1: because they jumped on us. Um. It was just it

2092
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:31,560
Speaker 1: was one of those days where there's no way. And

2093
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 1: then you remember we got on the bus and Shelley

2094
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:37,560
Speaker 1: Servings on the bus and oh my god, I don't

2095
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:43,200
Speaker 1: know yeall did it that day for me? Like it

2096
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 1: was when the day was already bad. We just got

2097
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:49,280
Speaker 1: blowing out fighting with people about not letting the owner

2098
01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:53,160
Speaker 1: come to a game. And then I get on the

2099
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:57,120
Speaker 1: bus and Shelley is sitting on the other side. I

2100
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,200
Speaker 1: was like this, this this gotta be one of the

2101
01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 1: worst days. Um, And we got through it, Like I thought,

2102
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:08,760
Speaker 1: you guys Handlewood really well, each guy got one and

2103
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:11,120
Speaker 1: it was funny. Mat if you remember, you would get

2104
01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:13,080
Speaker 1: on you see Shelley, then your eyes would go to

2105
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: me and I would like just kind of you know

2106
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do? Because we lost, But

2107
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 1: at the same time, like he really but then I

2108
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:22,720
Speaker 1: was at the same time kind of had the wherewithal

2109
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:24,560
Speaker 1: that no, and they were already on the rocks. But

2110
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:26,640
Speaker 1: she still was a reputation to him, even though she

2111
01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:29,760
Speaker 1: wasn't as deep in I like Shelley personally, um, but

2112
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:32,400
Speaker 1: Donna was a monster. But anyway, so we go back

2113
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:34,440
Speaker 1: to l A for the next game, and all remember

2114
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 1: all of our sponsors were blocked out like they had

2115
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:39,080
Speaker 1: black pretty much all over the arena because all of

2116
01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:41,680
Speaker 1: our sponsor did backed out on us before the game.

2117
01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:43,640
Speaker 1: But the one thing I remember was the employees were

2118
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:46,160
Speaker 1: gonna quit. Yeah, you got to talk to them that day, right,

2119
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:49,240
Speaker 1: didn't you have to go down there? Yeah? We go,

2120
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:51,880
Speaker 1: I mean shoot around him. I should be going home

2121
01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 1: and driving town. I have a meeting with the employees

2122
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 1: at the Staples Center because any Rhodes are when they

2123
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 1: wall and so they wanted to quit, and it was

2124
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,680
Speaker 1: the first time that I actually got emotional. I actually

2125
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:10,120
Speaker 1: called Adam like literally in tears, like, bro, some y'all

2126
01:59:10,120 --> 01:59:14,640
Speaker 1: gotta do something here, someone's gotta help me. Like I'm not.

2127
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm a coach, I should not be like T shirt

2128
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:21,840
Speaker 1: They were asking me what colored T shirts for the

2129
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:25,200
Speaker 1: game tonight and should we play music? And I was

2130
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:28,760
Speaker 1: and it was nuts. I'm trying to win a game

2131
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:31,800
Speaker 1: and get our guys like. That's also for me. The

2132
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:36,480
Speaker 1: first time I realized I couldn't imagine for y'all how

2133
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:41,400
Speaker 1: strong social media was because we wouldn't. I was old enough,

2134
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:44,080
Speaker 1: Like I didn't deal with it, y'all had to. I

2135
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:47,800
Speaker 1: was watching it live like you guys were getting Jesse

2136
01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 1: Jackson was reaching out to you. Al was Sharpton. Uh.

2137
01:59:51,880 --> 01:59:54,280
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this these guys got so much

2138
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:56,520
Speaker 1: on their shoulders. That was really the beginning of the

2139
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 1: social media movement, you know, where players started using social

2140
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 1: media for stuff outside of showing off whatever you were

2141
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:04,200
Speaker 1: trying to show off. That's you know, Lebron took a

2142
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:06,960
Speaker 1: huge stand, you know, after after the fact, you know,

2143
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:08,800
Speaker 1: we kind of started saying we had to say. But

2144
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:10,640
Speaker 1: that was really the beginning of social media and That's

2145
02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:11,960
Speaker 1: where a lot of the heat came from. But you

2146
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:13,840
Speaker 1: guys should have did this. You guys will sell out.

2147
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:16,560
Speaker 1: You guys are this, this and that. We're like, hold on, man,

2148
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:19,560
Speaker 1: what the hell? But anyway, it's good. Yeah, so we

2149
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:21,560
Speaker 1: we we get through it and we get to that

2150
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:27,120
Speaker 1: game and beaton Golden State in game seven. It's satisfying, yeah,

2151
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:30,040
Speaker 1: because they were good. We're the only ones that knew

2152
02:00:30,040 --> 02:00:31,760
Speaker 1: it though. It was like, no, we knew they were

2153
02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:33,120
Speaker 1: all the way. We knew they were next, and it

2154
02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:34,680
Speaker 1: was like, we had to do what we're supposed to

2155
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:37,560
Speaker 1: do now because they were coming for sure. You can

2156
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:41,600
Speaker 1: feel it. You can see that team. They were coming.

2157
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:44,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, we come back to a great ovation. Uh

2158
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, end up winning the series and seven lose

2159
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:50,880
Speaker 1: to Okay, see Um the bomber era Um loved his energy.

2160
02:00:50,920 --> 02:00:53,120
Speaker 1: He came in with the right focus, and we really

2161
02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:55,760
Speaker 1: stopped we were heading in the right direction. But to

2162
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:58,600
Speaker 1: be honest with you, everything was perfect, but the chemistry

2163
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 1: between the people who were most portshit. It was the

2164
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:03,400
Speaker 1: guys we still couldn't get. We couldn't you know. The

2165
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:05,400
Speaker 1: elephant was in the room, and he continued to get

2166
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:10,120
Speaker 1: bigger and it was bigger then and you know by

2167
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:13,240
Speaker 1: then it was way bigger. You know, it wasn't i'd

2168
02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:16,280
Speaker 1: still which was crazy, but we all knew it. And

2169
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:20,600
Speaker 1: you know a lot of stuff transpired. But you know,

2170
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:23,760
Speaker 1: we get to that Houston series, UM, and you know

2171
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:26,480
Speaker 1: I still say this, if Chris didn't get hurt against

2172
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 1: San Antonio, UM, we were at least playing Golden State

2173
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:33,160
Speaker 1: in the Western Finals, you know, because Chris was never

2174
02:01:33,200 --> 02:01:38,000
Speaker 1: the same either. UM. But that whole like, guess, listen

2175
02:01:38,040 --> 02:01:41,160
Speaker 1: that that's one of you know, people ask me often

2176
02:01:41,240 --> 02:01:44,720
Speaker 1: like what was what are your greatest success what is

2177
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:46,240
Speaker 1: one of your failures? And I always said one of

2178
02:01:46,240 --> 02:01:49,080
Speaker 1: my failures. I could not figure that out. Maybe it

2179
02:01:49,080 --> 02:01:54,720
Speaker 1: couldn't be figured out, but I could not, like you

2180
02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:57,520
Speaker 1: guys saw it. I tried so many different things and

2181
02:01:58,480 --> 02:02:01,560
Speaker 1: it was just not going in as a coach. As

2182
02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:03,480
Speaker 1: a coach that that that have had locker rooms that

2183
02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:06,360
Speaker 1: you've been able to bring together, Boston being a prime example.

2184
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:08,760
Speaker 1: What do you feel like the limit would have been

2185
02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:11,360
Speaker 1: to that team if we were all on the same page.

2186
02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:14,960
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you never can see you'll winning title.

2187
02:02:15,600 --> 02:02:19,240
Speaker 1: But that first year with Oklahoma, that that year we're

2188
02:02:19,240 --> 02:02:24,840
Speaker 1: playing in the finals, and I have no doubt about that. Uh.

2189
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:27,120
Speaker 1: Now you don't ever know who's gonna win and all that,

2190
02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:29,920
Speaker 1: but we would have been a finalist, agree, you know,

2191
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:33,720
Speaker 1: you know, but but that is part of being a champion,

2192
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:37,600
Speaker 1: is not having that crap and and and so it

2193
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:40,600
Speaker 1: just shows you you guys have been around the game.

2194
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:43,600
Speaker 1: Just think how many teams have not one because the

2195
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:46,760
Speaker 1: crap like that, right, and it's such a waste man

2196
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:51,960
Speaker 1: like and over what, um, you know, if you win

2197
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:55,760
Speaker 1: it as everybody's champion, everybody's whose name? Whose name is

2198
02:02:55,800 --> 02:02:57,920
Speaker 1: coming up fast? Whose team it is? Like it was?

2199
02:02:58,560 --> 02:03:00,400
Speaker 1: It was? It was a nightmare. Um. I want to

2200
02:03:00,440 --> 02:03:02,680
Speaker 1: jump ahead a little bit. What was it like? Um?

2201
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:04,840
Speaker 1: Because I was actually the first person to address him

2202
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:06,520
Speaker 1: when he came because I knew it was gonna be tough.

2203
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:09,520
Speaker 1: What was it like having your your son coaching your

2204
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:13,400
Speaker 1: son on a professional rank? You know that was hard.

2205
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:16,600
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it. Um. You know. Uh,

2206
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:19,920
Speaker 1: Dave will who was the GM at the time he

2207
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:22,440
Speaker 1: started it, but get before the year started, he said, Man,

2208
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:24,840
Speaker 1: Austin is just a He's a diamond out the are

2209
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:28,160
Speaker 1: that uh not playing well? We can get him for nothing,

2210
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:30,680
Speaker 1: and he can really help this team. And I kept saying, well,

2211
02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:34,520
Speaker 1: that made me true, but no, that it just doesn't

2212
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:37,960
Speaker 1: work because I think to do it, to make it

2213
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:40,560
Speaker 1: work easy, he has to be the best frier the

2214
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:44,000
Speaker 1: team or the worst player on the team. You know,

2215
02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:49,200
Speaker 1: if you're in the middle, it's a tough one. Yeah,

2216
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:51,040
Speaker 1: And that's where he was at. And you know, he

2217
02:03:51,120 --> 02:03:54,320
Speaker 1: was a role player. And you know, whoever he played,

2218
02:03:54,360 --> 02:03:56,960
Speaker 1: if he played minutes and then somebody just as close

2219
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:59,879
Speaker 1: to him, I think they should be playing. And obviously

2220
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:04,080
Speaker 1: it's because he's my son, you know. Um, so it

2221
02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:08,360
Speaker 1: was very difficult. And then Austin is uh, he's got

2222
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:13,960
Speaker 1: that prickly tough his personality, Austin tough like he didn't

2223
02:04:13,960 --> 02:04:17,080
Speaker 1: given in you know what I mean, you Ron, It's

2224
02:04:17,120 --> 02:04:20,600
Speaker 1: what makes him a good player, but it also what

2225
02:04:21,080 --> 02:04:24,800
Speaker 1: on our team made it worse sometimes because he was

2226
02:04:24,840 --> 02:04:29,080
Speaker 1: so uh hit strong. So when you put all that together,

2227
02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:31,800
Speaker 1: it did work at times. I mean the Houston series,

2228
02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:35,480
Speaker 1: should he won a game for us, you know, but

2229
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:39,640
Speaker 1: it didn't work because we already had a locker room

2230
02:04:39,680 --> 02:04:44,120
Speaker 1: that was infected. So the only you couldn't bring in

2231
02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:48,240
Speaker 1: any other issues um, and by doing that, it just

2232
02:04:48,280 --> 02:04:51,320
Speaker 1: brought in another issue. I will say this after it

2233
02:04:51,400 --> 02:04:54,320
Speaker 1: was all done, and now Austin and I when we

2234
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:57,800
Speaker 1: talk about it, it Uh, for us, it was awesome.

2235
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:01,920
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't at the time. But now when

2236
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:04,160
Speaker 1: you look at it, the fact that I coached my

2237
02:05:04,240 --> 02:05:07,440
Speaker 1: son and the NBA, Yeah of course. Yeah, Bro, you

2238
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:10,960
Speaker 1: look back at that like it's never been done, and

2239
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:16,000
Speaker 1: uh it was. We had some amazing moments together. Um.

2240
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:18,520
Speaker 1: You know, the day of trading him might have been

2241
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:23,760
Speaker 1: the hardest one. You know. I remember calling him, you know, listen,

2242
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,720
Speaker 1: calling the player for me to tell him they were

2243
02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:31,000
Speaker 1: being traded. And sorry, no matter who he is, because

2244
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:33,120
Speaker 1: I do get try to have a room, I do

2245
02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:36,680
Speaker 1: get closer. I was that I was at Roscoe's when

2246
02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:45,680
Speaker 1: you called me, Doc, You're happy. I knew I was coming, Doc,

2247
02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:49,160
Speaker 1: I knew I was coming. I knew what was coming.

2248
02:05:50,440 --> 02:05:53,680
Speaker 1: So but it's funny. Austin is great man, Like he said, Dad,

2249
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:56,520
Speaker 1: when you upset about it's time for me to go. Man,

2250
02:05:56,640 --> 02:05:58,840
Speaker 1: I need to need to show the like comparing my

2251
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:02,240
Speaker 1: own I'm good, thank you, Like he was great. I

2252
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:04,800
Speaker 1: wasn't one hurting. Yeah, you know, and he was probably

2253
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:09,040
Speaker 1: sicking me by then anyway. So it was good, Matt,

2254
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:11,960
Speaker 1: But it was hard. It was really hard. Um it's

2255
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:13,600
Speaker 1: it's a hard thing to do. And I would just

2256
02:06:13,640 --> 02:06:17,800
Speaker 1: say this unless if if your player, if he's the

2257
02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:20,680
Speaker 1: best player, I don't think it'd be that hard. But

2258
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:23,240
Speaker 1: when you're in the middle, it makes it hard. Fast

2259
02:06:23,240 --> 02:06:26,200
Speaker 1: forward a little bit. The Chris Paul trade brings you

2260
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 1: guys Lou Williams, Montres, Harold and a few other pieces. Um. Yeah,

2261
02:06:31,680 --> 02:06:34,240
Speaker 1: how how tough was you know you talked about speaking

2262
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:38,520
Speaker 1: on Austin trading him. How tough with it to trade Chris? Well,

2263
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:41,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't tough because we didn't trade him. You know,

2264
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:44,040
Speaker 1: he decided he wanted to go, and I was this

2265
02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:47,440
Speaker 1: he wanted to go, But I got it. Like one

2266
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:51,320
Speaker 1: thing I've always understood Matt uh and Jack because I

2267
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:54,360
Speaker 1: probably I was a player. When players want a league, man,

2268
02:06:54,440 --> 02:06:57,960
Speaker 1: I didn't fight that, like if they if they think

2269
02:06:58,040 --> 02:07:01,520
Speaker 1: they can win it somewhere else. What what's wrong with

2270
02:07:01,560 --> 02:07:06,200
Speaker 1: me trying to Like that's something that I've never fought like, Um,

2271
02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:08,960
Speaker 1: it's I'm one of the few guys coaches I believe

2272
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:13,080
Speaker 1: in free agency. I love the players. Man, if you can,

2273
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:18,280
Speaker 1: if you can control control, you know, but once you

2274
02:07:18,280 --> 02:07:21,240
Speaker 1: get on that team didn't be coached. That's the only

2275
02:07:21,240 --> 02:07:25,600
Speaker 1: thing that I would say, you know, and so, um, yeah,

2276
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:28,200
Speaker 1: I like so for christ it was tough because he

2277
02:07:28,360 --> 02:07:32,680
Speaker 1: left and um, you know, so I didn't like that

2278
02:07:32,760 --> 02:07:35,680
Speaker 1: he laughed and how he laughed, but he laughed and

2279
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:41,040
Speaker 1: and so that basically threw us into you know what,

2280
02:07:41,160 --> 02:07:43,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna sign Blake or not? If we signed Blake,

2281
02:07:43,640 --> 02:07:47,160
Speaker 1: but we keep them or not. Uh, it changed our

2282
02:07:47,200 --> 02:07:51,120
Speaker 1: whole plans because we thought we were gonna get Keith CP.

2283
02:07:52,040 --> 02:07:53,920
Speaker 1: We thought we're gonna end up with Blake and end

2284
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:56,680
Speaker 1: up with Gal I think, and we so we had

2285
02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:58,920
Speaker 1: a pretty good plan and it kind of all fell

2286
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:03,600
Speaker 1: through because Chris one the league. Yeah, And honestly, it

2287
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:08,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't worked anyway because Chris Blake. Things still wouldn't have

2288
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:13,320
Speaker 1: gone away. That wasn't worked regardless, that wasn't changing. Um,

2289
02:08:13,520 --> 02:08:15,760
Speaker 1: talk to us what went down for you guys to

2290
02:08:15,880 --> 02:08:18,480
Speaker 1: pull off something even crazier than keeping that team together,

2291
02:08:18,520 --> 02:08:21,400
Speaker 1: which was getting Kawhi Leonard and and Paul George to

2292
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:26,080
Speaker 1: come join you guys, that was the best plan ever. Um,

2293
02:08:26,120 --> 02:08:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, Lawrence Frank Coop, who, in my opinion,

2294
02:08:29,560 --> 02:08:35,080
Speaker 1: does not get enough credit for it. Um worked tirelessly

2295
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:39,720
Speaker 1: every day. Um he would have cry means you know

2296
02:08:40,680 --> 02:08:45,840
Speaker 1: all season Kawai means, um, you know, just monitoring him,

2297
02:08:45,880 --> 02:08:50,440
Speaker 1: where is he at, what he's doing? Um. You know, honestly,

2298
02:08:51,880 --> 02:08:54,200
Speaker 1: because I've been through so many free agencies where you

2299
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:58,040
Speaker 1: signed guys, the deeper Toronto went, the less I thought

2300
02:08:58,040 --> 02:09:01,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna get him. You know, to think a guy

2301
02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:02,880
Speaker 1: that would leave a team that led a team to

2302
02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:07,240
Speaker 1: a championship was unbelievable. Yeah, Like, so I didn't until

2303
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, and then after they won, when you start

2304
02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:13,520
Speaker 1: hearing because you know, the lead speaks if you listen,

2305
02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, and all you kept hearing is he's still

2306
02:09:17,480 --> 02:09:20,640
Speaker 1: gonna leave. He's still gonna leave. And so right when

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02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:24,000
Speaker 1: I started hearing that again, then I felt like, well,

2308
02:09:24,160 --> 02:09:26,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna leave, he's come to us. We're gonna get him,

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02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:29,400
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, we're gonna have the best sales pitch,

2310
02:09:29,480 --> 02:09:32,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna have the best thing. Um. And to me,

2311
02:09:32,760 --> 02:09:35,480
Speaker 1: when I felt like we're gonna get him up, it

2312
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:38,640
Speaker 1: was late. But when he decided to take the meetings

2313
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:42,160
Speaker 1: with us, in the Lakers, and he told the Lakers,

2314
02:09:42,280 --> 02:09:44,560
Speaker 1: the Lakers wanted to have this big thing set up

2315
02:09:45,120 --> 02:09:48,520
Speaker 1: at their practice facility and all this stuff, and he

2316
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:50,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. He would only they had to meet

2317
02:09:50,760 --> 02:09:55,040
Speaker 1: him in his hotel room. But for us, he wanted

2318
02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:59,320
Speaker 1: to meet me at my house. And so when I

2319
02:09:59,480 --> 02:10:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking, if he's come into our house

2320
02:10:02,440 --> 02:10:06,240
Speaker 1: through my house, Um, he was telling me. But where

2321
02:10:06,240 --> 02:10:09,400
Speaker 1: I was impressed with him is the knowledge he had

2322
02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:12,880
Speaker 1: on the lead and even on our team, because I

2323
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:15,240
Speaker 1: asked him, um, what do you think about our team?

2324
02:10:15,800 --> 02:10:18,520
Speaker 1: And when about going through names, he point blank said

2325
02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:20,840
Speaker 1: who he liked, who he did like, like I was.

2326
02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:27,320
Speaker 1: I was. I was shocked at his opinions and his knowledge. Uh.

2327
02:10:28,240 --> 02:10:31,080
Speaker 1: And then you know the guys that he wanted. He

2328
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:35,000
Speaker 1: basically told us I want to come, but we're not

2329
02:10:35,080 --> 02:10:37,600
Speaker 1: good enough. And so that told us we had to

2330
02:10:37,600 --> 02:10:40,400
Speaker 1: go out and get someone. Uh and b G was

2331
02:10:40,440 --> 02:10:43,040
Speaker 1: the guy. Uh. You know, he named a couple of

2332
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:45,520
Speaker 1: other guys and PG was the number one guy. Now

2333
02:10:45,600 --> 02:10:48,960
Speaker 1: quickly fast forwarding into the bubble Um obviously a crazy

2334
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:51,640
Speaker 1: experience for everyone. We've talked to several guys who played

2335
02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:53,360
Speaker 1: in it, you guys were able to you know, obviously,

2336
02:10:53,800 --> 02:10:56,320
Speaker 1: muster up get through it. Um take us to that

2337
02:10:56,360 --> 02:10:58,680
Speaker 1: Dinner series because I was someone along with when we

2338
02:10:58,720 --> 02:11:01,960
Speaker 1: had PG on earlier. We kept thinking, Okay, they got

2339
02:11:01,960 --> 02:11:04,760
Speaker 1: one game, will win the next game. You know, I

2340
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:06,960
Speaker 1: was thought for the first time, I was happy to

2341
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:08,960
Speaker 1: see I'm like, yo, I fought my ass off to

2342
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:11,280
Speaker 1: try to, you know, help this team. Put put a

2343
02:11:11,320 --> 02:11:13,720
Speaker 1: banner up, and we took pride in it, and I

2344
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:15,920
Speaker 1: finally saw, like it look like, okay, man, they finally

2345
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:17,240
Speaker 1: got the team that looks like it's going to get

2346
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:20,680
Speaker 1: over the hump. And then you know, another collapse to Denver.

2347
02:11:21,200 --> 02:11:23,000
Speaker 1: What were the issues or what do you felt like

2348
02:11:23,040 --> 02:11:25,720
Speaker 1: you felt like were the problems with that in another

2349
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:28,520
Speaker 1: three one drop, Well, the issues were the whole thing.

2350
02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:31,920
Speaker 1: The bubble was a disaster for us. Let's just keep

2351
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:35,760
Speaker 1: it real like it was. Um uh. We had guys

2352
02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:37,600
Speaker 1: who didn't want to go from the beginning of it.

2353
02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:44,360
Speaker 1: We had guys that left the bubble. You know, I mean,

2354
02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:47,440
Speaker 1: come on, guys like we we It was such a

2355
02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:51,839
Speaker 1: tough Like I was so frustrated in the bubble because

2356
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, and some of them wasn't you know, Trance's

2357
02:11:55,880 --> 02:12:01,280
Speaker 1: grandmother died and so he was gone for thirty days,

2358
02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:05,040
Speaker 1: and so what do you think about it? In the

2359
02:12:05,080 --> 02:12:08,880
Speaker 1: middle of the playoffs, we got Pat Beverley on a

2360
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:11,560
Speaker 1: five minute in a row restriction. Couldn't buy more than

2361
02:12:11,600 --> 02:12:14,840
Speaker 1: five minutes in a row. UM. Transfer was at one

2362
02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:18,080
Speaker 1: point at twenty two minutes. Louis at like twenty four minutes.

2363
02:12:18,080 --> 02:12:22,840
Speaker 1: We're in the playoffs, um, and and you know it

2364
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:28,360
Speaker 1: just we didn't. We never came together. UM. If you

2365
02:12:28,440 --> 02:12:32,160
Speaker 1: watch us right before the bubble, we were rolling and

2366
02:12:32,360 --> 02:12:35,839
Speaker 1: I thought, man, we're playing great, and then this season

2367
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:39,800
Speaker 1: shuts down. UM. And I really believe, like you know,

2368
02:12:40,120 --> 02:12:44,480
Speaker 1: PG doesn't go through training count MRS the first with

2369
02:12:44,680 --> 02:12:50,160
Speaker 1: fifteen games plays like six games and MRS another month. Um.

2370
02:12:50,280 --> 02:12:54,520
Speaker 1: Up until the bubble, PG and Kauiet had two practices

2371
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:59,680
Speaker 1: on the same floor, and so I was like, really,

2372
02:12:59,680 --> 02:13:03,040
Speaker 1: I was uncertained by it, Like, man, we've had no

2373
02:13:03,240 --> 02:13:08,480
Speaker 1: time together as a group. UM. And Denver like, listen,

2374
02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:10,720
Speaker 1: we're up three one, we're playing great. In the last

2375
02:13:10,720 --> 02:13:14,760
Speaker 1: that next game, UM, we gotta win that game, guys,

2376
02:13:14,840 --> 02:13:20,160
Speaker 1: Like listen, Um, we stopped playing in that game. Let's

2377
02:13:20,240 --> 02:13:24,400
Speaker 1: keep it real and you know. Um, I always sleep

2378
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:27,280
Speaker 1: like I always start with me what could have done differently?

2379
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:29,880
Speaker 1: Of course there's some kind of adjustments you could have made,

2380
02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:33,080
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, but what we were doing up

2381
02:13:33,120 --> 02:13:36,840
Speaker 1: until that point was pretty good, you know. And then

2382
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:42,560
Speaker 1: losing that series, you know, losing game seven, like you

2383
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, like you know, you guys have been

2384
02:13:45,720 --> 02:13:48,560
Speaker 1: in games before the game you feel good or bad,

2385
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:52,000
Speaker 1: but you're you're rarely right, you know what I mean? Like,

2386
02:13:52,680 --> 02:13:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, man, we're ready tonight, and then you go

2387
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:58,160
Speaker 1: out and you're not ready. Um. Going into Game seven,

2388
02:13:58,200 --> 02:14:02,000
Speaker 1: I thought we were ready all I really did, um,

2389
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:05,840
Speaker 1: and we were awful. We couldn't make like when you

2390
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:08,920
Speaker 1: look at statistically and I don't like analytics, but it

2391
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:11,920
Speaker 1: was our second best shot quality of the whole season,

2392
02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:17,080
Speaker 1: meaning we got great shots at home, we just couldn't

2393
02:14:17,120 --> 02:14:19,200
Speaker 1: make any of them. And man, how many times when

2394
02:14:19,240 --> 02:14:22,360
Speaker 1: I said, um, you know, your offense will let you down.

2395
02:14:22,440 --> 02:14:24,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta lean on your kneeing on your defense,

2396
02:14:25,120 --> 02:14:29,880
Speaker 1: and we just didn't. Um. So, but that that series

2397
02:14:29,960 --> 02:14:33,960
Speaker 1: hurt me because, uh, listen, I don't know we would

2398
02:14:33,960 --> 02:14:35,680
Speaker 1: have beat the Lakers or not, but I felt like

2399
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:39,040
Speaker 1: we were the whole year, the whole year. That was

2400
02:14:39,080 --> 02:14:42,280
Speaker 1: a team we wanted to beat. And that's what the

2401
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:45,080
Speaker 1: world wanted to see, and the world wanted to see it.

2402
02:14:45,400 --> 02:14:48,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to see it. And like, man, that one,

2403
02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:50,720
Speaker 1: that one's gonna take a while to get over. Yeah,

2404
02:14:51,640 --> 02:14:53,920
Speaker 1: oh man, this has been amazing. We got quick hitters

2405
02:14:54,040 --> 02:14:56,440
Speaker 1: right now. First thing to come to mind, let us know,

2406
02:14:56,520 --> 02:15:00,000
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna start with the best moment as a player. Wow,

2407
02:15:00,120 --> 02:15:04,000
Speaker 1: that's a good The best moment as a player. Uh,

2408
02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:06,000
Speaker 1: you know what's funny, man, I didn't win an All

2409
02:15:06,040 --> 02:15:08,840
Speaker 1: Star Game. I mean I didn't win an NBA championship,

2410
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:11,440
Speaker 1: but I would say that Boston Series just being in

2411
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:16,080
Speaker 1: that series. Go ahead, jack favorite coach to coach against,

2412
02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:21,320
Speaker 1: oh Phil Jackson, of course, Yeah, I mean he was,

2413
02:15:21,400 --> 02:15:24,880
Speaker 1: he was the best. So yeah, you wanted to beat him.

2414
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:30,480
Speaker 1: You got a chance to uh, favorite teammate? Wow, um

2415
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:34,600
Speaker 1: ta can go with back, Yeah you are. I'm gonna

2416
02:15:34,640 --> 02:15:41,160
Speaker 1: go with probably John Starts. Um or yeah, John Starts

2417
02:15:41,320 --> 02:15:44,240
Speaker 1: probably was where I'll stopped. I just love I have

2418
02:15:44,280 --> 02:15:48,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of them. But that's my man. Love it. Yeah.

2419
02:15:48,640 --> 02:15:55,480
Speaker 1: Proudest coaching moment, proudest coaching moment was probably Game four

2420
02:15:55,520 --> 02:16:00,000
Speaker 1: in the Lakers series to come back, come back? Yeah,

2421
02:16:00,160 --> 02:16:04,800
Speaker 1: Um five dinner guests dead or alive. Oh, that's good,

2422
02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:18,840
Speaker 1: Um Nelson, Mandela, Martin, Luther King, Gandhi M Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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02:16:18,920 --> 02:16:22,160
Speaker 1: Gandhi would be great in that group. In Malcolm X

2424
02:16:22,760 --> 02:16:27,920
Speaker 1: one more it's U plus five Oh Malcolm X and

2425
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:31,680
Speaker 1: then my dad. That's nice because I think you'd be

2426
02:16:31,760 --> 02:16:36,600
Speaker 1: great at that tables. Final question, who do you want

2427
02:16:36,640 --> 02:16:38,280
Speaker 1: to see on our show? Who do you want to

2428
02:16:38,280 --> 02:16:40,640
Speaker 1: see on All the Smoke? Well, y'all had it run

2429
02:16:40,640 --> 02:16:44,440
Speaker 1: ins with Austin, so I would say Austin, but because

2430
02:16:44,480 --> 02:16:47,439
Speaker 1: I think it'd be hilarious because you'll all three or fiery.

2431
02:16:47,600 --> 02:16:49,680
Speaker 1: I think it would be a great conversation. But I

2432
02:16:49,680 --> 02:16:54,280
Speaker 1: would love to see le Lebron on the show. He hasn't.

2433
02:16:54,320 --> 02:16:56,480
Speaker 1: I would love Lebron to be on the show because

2434
02:16:56,480 --> 02:17:00,600
Speaker 1: I think, Um, I think Lebron Man, we're gonna get

2435
02:17:00,600 --> 02:17:03,840
Speaker 1: something out of the doctor nobody have. Yeah, and he's

2436
02:17:03,879 --> 02:17:08,800
Speaker 1: been like and I got this respect for man because um,

2437
02:17:08,840 --> 02:17:14,000
Speaker 1: he was set up, did not do well from the beginning. Yeah,

2438
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:18,039
Speaker 1: the fanfare that Lebron James had can't coming in. There's

2439
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:20,240
Speaker 1: no way you can. You can reach it and he

2440
02:17:20,480 --> 02:17:25,080
Speaker 1: and he's not only he's exceeded. So I would say

2441
02:17:25,120 --> 02:17:29,200
Speaker 1: Lebron would be my choice for you. We're gonna work, man,

2442
02:17:29,240 --> 02:17:32,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna work. Well, that's man, Doc, thank you for

2443
02:17:32,360 --> 02:17:35,200
Speaker 1: your time. This has been a true gym for us.

2444
02:17:35,320 --> 02:17:39,320
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, man, guys, I've always loved you. Thank you.

2445
02:17:39,879 --> 02:17:45,600
Speaker 1: Uh tell the boys and said that absolutely well. Another

2446
02:17:45,680 --> 02:17:48,120
Speaker 1: episode in the books with Doc Rivers. You can catch

2447
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:51,760
Speaker 1: us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and The Black Effects I

2448
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:55,720
Speaker 1: Heart Network. See y'all next time. This is all a Smoke,

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02:17:56,080 --> 02:17:58,640
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