WEBVTT - Chapter 1 | Remember Me 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.200 This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics, including sexual 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:26.200 assault and abuse involving children. Listener discretion is advised. It's 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:32.200 two weeks after Halloween 1997. Snows blowing sideways and swirls 0:00:32.300 --> 0:00:36.129 and stabs, stinging the eyes of the cops and firemen 0:00:36.210 --> 0:00:40.090 gathered around Nichols Pond. That's a dark squib of water 0:00:40.130 --> 0:00:44.190 in Putnam County, New York, curtained by a stand of woods. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.979 If anyone wanted to commit a murder, up here would 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.260 be the greatest place in the world to hide the body. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:53.420 But no one will find it. 0:00:55.470 --> 0:00:58.310 The onlookers stamp their feet for warmth as five men 0:00:58.370 --> 0:01:02.010 in dive suits take turns wading in. The pond hasn't 0:01:02.110 --> 0:01:06.350 frozen yet, but has the sharpness of slush as divers 0:01:06.410 --> 0:01:11.810 slide beneath the surface. Several arm lengths from the cop 0:01:11.830 --> 0:01:15.640 stand a mother and father, eyeing the ripples intently. It 0:01:17.180 --> 0:01:19.940 was a supernatural vision that launched this search. 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:26.630 I remember seeing a skull in the pond. The skull 0:01:26.670 --> 0:01:32.250 was smiling and the skeleton's hands were outstretched, palms facing outward. 0:01:34.300 --> 0:01:35.200 It scared me. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.640 That's Penny Osborne. She was sure the skull belonged to 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:45.339 a girl. A girl named Robin Murphy. Robin had gone 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.000 missing more than two years prior. Now, long after her 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:53.380 trail's gone cold. The cops and Robin's parents are hanging 0:01:53.420 --> 0:01:57.530 their hopes on the divers at the bottom of that pond. Well, 0:01:57.550 --> 0:01:59.930 that and Penny's paranormal prowess. 0:02:11.750 --> 0:02:15.639 I'm very agnostic when it comes to things like spaceships 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:16.540 and God. 0:02:17.060 --> 0:02:22.720 I look more for evidence. That's Anthony DePippo, our protagonist 0:02:22.740 --> 0:02:25.860 from season one. As a man who taught himself the 0:02:25.900 --> 0:02:30.400 law in prison, Anthony's all about facts. But six years ago, 0:02:30.460 --> 0:02:33.290 when someone slipped him Robin's case file, he caught a 0:02:33.370 --> 0:02:34.810 chill on the back of his neck. 0:02:36.030 --> 0:02:41.089 I feel like, you know, like when I get spooked, 0:02:41.169 --> 0:02:41.990 it's authentic. 0:02:43.090 --> 0:02:45.570 He was sitting in the study of his penthouse apartment, 0:02:46.030 --> 0:02:48.530 which he'd purchased with a chunk of the $ 12 million payout. 0:02:49.710 --> 0:02:54.730 for his wrongful conviction in the murder of 12-year-old Josette Wright. Now, 0:02:54.810 --> 0:03:00.210 Anthony's a big man, 6'5, and 300 pounds easy. But 0:03:00.230 --> 0:03:02.880 while reading through that scene, he heard a loud bang 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:06.000 behind him and catapulted out of his chair. 0:03:07.620 --> 0:03:10.060 And the picture had fell over, and it got a 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.040 dent in it, and I got spooked. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.390 In his parlor, he saw a scene from a paranormal flick. 0:03:19.410 --> 0:03:21.620 His favorite painting had dropped off the wall and been 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.040 gashed by a selfie stick. It was a portrait of 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.020 Anthony and his hero, Hulk Hogan. That stick had opened 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:33.380 a gouge over the Hulkster's eye. If ghosts are phantoms 0:03:33.419 --> 0:03:37.740 with unfinished business, Robin Murphy had just dropped her card off. 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:44.450 I'm bugging out. This is really kind of scary. And 0:03:44.630 --> 0:03:47.090 I didn't look at it anymore that night. 0:03:48.970 --> 0:03:52.030 I first met Anthony six years ago, around the time 0:03:52.050 --> 0:03:56.010 he got hold of Robin's file. My deep dive feature 0:03:56.030 --> 0:03:59.360 in Rolling Stone helped to quit his best friend Andy Krivak, 0:03:59.920 --> 0:04:04.700 who'd also been falsely convicted of Josette's murder. Anthony's false 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.660 conviction for her murder was the pinch point of his life. 0:04:08.460 --> 0:04:11.050 But then a second girl vanished in the span of 0:04:11.170 --> 0:04:16.690 six months in the sleepy little town of Carmel, New York. No, 0:04:16.770 --> 0:04:20.440 Anthony knew that the job wasn't done. Josette's killer was 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:24.420 still out there. And the man who disappeared Robin as well. 0:04:25.860 --> 0:04:29.620 In Anthony's mind, the same man was responsible for both girls. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:34.270 The devil of Putnam County. And so last year, he 0:04:34.330 --> 0:04:37.650 asked me to return with my shovel. He handed me 0:04:37.690 --> 0:04:40.830 a copy of Robin's case file. I shared it with 0:04:40.890 --> 0:04:45.160 my team. We divvied up its 3,000 pages and promptly 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:49.640 went to work. In the episodes that follow, we'll train 0:04:49.660 --> 0:04:51.299 her floodlights on a phantom. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.049 I don't think she realized how dangerous this situation was. 0:04:57.930 --> 0:05:00.150 On every move by those Carmel cops. 0:05:00.970 --> 0:05:04.010 They didn't really take the whole thing seriously, I don't think. 0:05:04.650 --> 0:05:06.630 They actually thought they were going to get a confession 0:05:06.710 --> 0:05:09.290 out of him. On every lead they followed. 0:05:10.089 --> 0:05:14.700 And that's exactly what made us all think he had 0:05:14.740 --> 0:05:17.080 something to do with it. You want to see a 0:05:17.100 --> 0:05:17.650 real ghost? 0:05:18.620 --> 0:05:20.420 Hell yeah. 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:20.510 Why? 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.780 Because the devil's in those details. And we'll find him there. 0:05:31.940 --> 0:05:37.760 Do you hear my madness? 0:05:40.580 --> 0:05:44.260 Laughter hides my fears. 0:05:47.150 --> 0:05:56.880 Sorrow's depths are endless. This valley. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:13.510 Appears. I'm Paul Solitarov, and this is Season 2 of 0:06:13.540 --> 0:06:34.880 The Devil's Quarry. she was my best friend tina scorza 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.609 was raised in putnam county her best friend robin murphy 0:06:38.710 --> 0:06:39.610 was not. 0:06:40.510 --> 0:06:43.409 She moved to carmel um our freshman year of high 0:06:43.430 --> 0:06:48.210 school and you know she would like go to school 0:06:48.270 --> 0:06:51.760 and like doc martin's and fishnet stockings and you know 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:53.740 cut off jean short in the middle of. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:58.740 Winter Tina and Robin rode the school bus together. Straight away, 0:06:58.779 --> 0:07:01.900 the two girls hit it off. Robin hipped Tina to 0:07:01.940 --> 0:07:07.560 her favorite bands, The Clash, The Pixies, The Ramones. She 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.400 might have been exotic for small town Carmel, New York, 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.980 but Robin would have fit right in in hipster Brooklyn. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.830 She was nothing like any of my other friends, you know? So, 0:07:19.310 --> 0:07:22.630 but we hung out like a lot together, like a ton. 0:07:24.420 --> 0:07:28.200 It was Tina who introduced Robin to James Blaisdell. James 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:33.200 was another recent arrival in Carmel, having moved there from California. 0:07:34.140 --> 0:07:37.910 Within days of meeting Robin, James developed a crush on her. 0:07:39.290 --> 0:07:42.030 She looked like an introvert, but she acted more like 0:07:42.070 --> 0:07:45.510 an extrovert because she was always getting things going and 0:07:45.550 --> 0:07:50.960 she was always energetic. Now picture me. I am dressed 0:07:51.100 --> 0:07:56.820 up like a little banker. on casual Friday with just 0:07:56.860 --> 0:08:01.180 like a polo shirt, some khaki pants. And we started 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.670 talking and realizing that we had more and more in common, 0:08:03.690 --> 0:08:07.990 you know, making fun of movies, just driving around, listening 0:08:08.030 --> 0:08:12.990 to music. We both were aspiring to be writers of 0:08:13.050 --> 0:08:16.830 some sort. We loved reading books. So we had a 0:08:16.870 --> 0:08:20.990 lot of stuff bouncing off of each other, which really 0:08:21.030 --> 0:08:21.850 drew me to her. 0:08:24.890 --> 0:08:28.490 It's not hard to suss out Robin's influences. She was 0:08:28.530 --> 0:08:31.390 an avid reader of Anne Rice novels and had plans 0:08:31.450 --> 0:08:35.220 to become a writer herself. But Carmel high school bored 0:08:35.250 --> 0:08:39.360 her stiff, and after a short stint in Wackett, she 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:43.800 dropped out for good at 16. Now, practically every kid 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.559 in Carmel bitched about being bored, but Robin actually did 0:08:47.620 --> 0:08:51.280 something about it. She got a full-time job at ShopRite 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.710 and started saving for a car. and make plans to 0:08:54.750 --> 0:08:57.750 get as far from Putnam as she could once she'd 0:08:57.809 --> 0:08:58.950 banked enough cash. 0:09:00.270 --> 0:09:03.620 I was in charge of all the cashiers, making sure 0:09:03.650 --> 0:09:05.000 everything runs smooth. 0:09:06.020 --> 0:09:09.319 Julie Sacara was the customer service manager at that shop 0:09:09.380 --> 0:09:13.300 right in Carmel. Before shifts, Robin would don the store 0:09:13.340 --> 0:09:16.730 smock and pin her name tag over the logo. But 0:09:16.750 --> 0:09:18.869 her freak flag stood out nonetheless. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:24.040 She was always in black, always. Everything was black, black, black, black, black. 0:09:25.100 --> 0:09:29.880 But she was a nice girl, you know. She never 0:09:29.940 --> 0:09:32.940 called in sick. Her tray was always good. She was 0:09:32.980 --> 0:09:33.720 never short. 0:09:34.820 --> 0:09:38.650 Julie saw something rare in Robin, the spark of leadership. 0:09:39.410 --> 0:09:40.950 She offered her a big promotion. 0:09:40.970 --> 0:09:43.830 I was thinking about putting you in pharmacy. 0:09:43.850 --> 0:09:44.850 What do you think about that? 0:09:45.270 --> 0:09:46.949 She just said, oh, I'd love to do that. 0:09:47.350 --> 0:09:50.010 I said, are you sure? And she said, yes. 0:09:51.340 --> 0:09:54.520 All these years later, Julie, who's now in her 60s, 0:09:55.110 --> 0:09:57.090 recalls their last chat clearly. 0:09:57.110 --> 0:10:01.319 That day when she got off of work. as being 0:10:01.340 --> 0:10:06.320 the cashier, she went over to the pharmacist and said, Hi, 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:10.479 my name is Robin, and I'm going to start working 0:10:10.500 --> 0:10:11.400 with you next week. 0:10:12.580 --> 0:10:15.700 And with that, Robin released herself to a karma weekend. 0:10:16.700 --> 0:10:20.320 It was a cold, windy Friday, and the night promised rain. 0:10:21.590 --> 0:10:24.209 But it's safe to assume she walked out on a cloud. 0:10:25.370 --> 0:10:29.270 And then Monday rolled around, and Robin never showed for work. 0:10:30.090 --> 0:10:33.170 Nor did she call in sick or late. But for 0:10:33.210 --> 0:10:39.590 that afternoon, April 10th, 1995, she was officially listed as 0:10:39.650 --> 0:10:51.380 a missing person by the Carmel Police Department. On the 0:10:51.390 --> 0:10:57.220 night before she vanished, Saturday, April 8th, 1995, Robin Murphy 0:10:57.260 --> 0:10:59.120 was hanging with James Blaisdell. 0:11:00.100 --> 0:11:05.180 We were watching the BBC's production of Whose Line Is 0:11:05.260 --> 0:11:09.540 It Anyway? And we were laughing at that. And she 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:15.320 was mentioning that tomorrow, can she come over here, meaning 0:11:15.340 --> 0:11:19.290 my house? And I said, well, we can. But it's 0:11:19.309 --> 0:11:21.550 going to have to be sometime after 7 or so 0:11:21.610 --> 0:11:23.670 because I'm going out to dinner. 0:11:23.690 --> 0:11:27.810 The next night, James went out with his family. When 0:11:27.850 --> 0:11:30.390 he got home, there was a voicemail waiting for him. 0:11:31.429 --> 0:11:34.459 And there was a message from Robin on my answering 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:40.600 machine asking for me to please pick up. And she 0:11:40.620 --> 0:11:41.760 will try again later. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.740 But there was something in Robin's voice that sounded off. 0:11:46.580 --> 0:11:48.990 She was frightened. Even frantic. 0:11:50.330 --> 0:11:53.170 She didn't sound well put together. She sounded like she 0:11:53.390 --> 0:12:01.100 was in desperate need to talk to somebody. It sounded hurried. Fearful. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.660 It's been more than 30 years now, but that tape 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:08.370 is still burnt into his brain. 0:12:09.730 --> 0:12:17.920 James? Are you awake? I need to talk to you. James, 0:12:18.300 --> 0:12:18.760 are you there? 0:12:18.780 --> 0:12:22.620 He couldn't have known it then, but. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.500 That was the last time I heard her voice. 0:12:34.470 --> 0:12:37.850 The next morning, James was sound asleep when something woke 0:12:37.870 --> 0:12:38.710 him with a jolt. 0:12:39.890 --> 0:12:43.229 I was in my house, and I was lying in 0:12:43.290 --> 0:12:49.100 my bed. And the next thing I know, I've got 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:54.400 people banging on my window. And I look out the window, 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:59.500 and it's Matt and Mark. And then they're saying, is 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.160 Robin here? And I'm like, no. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:08.310 Matt Esposito was Robin's boyfriend. An imposing kid, he dyed 0:13:08.330 --> 0:13:12.350 his long hair purple, painted his fingernails black, and rocked 0:13:12.410 --> 0:13:16.600 a floor-length duster. The other kid, Mark Stein, was small 0:13:16.660 --> 0:13:20.410 but intense. Both of them worked at the Shoprite Plaza, 0:13:20.809 --> 0:13:24.490 pulling late shifts at Burger King. James told them about 0:13:24.530 --> 0:13:26.949 his botched plans with Robin the night before. 0:13:28.130 --> 0:13:31.890 And they said that they saw her car in the 0:13:32.690 --> 0:13:39.560 Shoprite parking lot, but she's not in it. Her bag 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:44.110 isn't in it. You know, There's nothing taped to it, 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:48.590 like saying it broke down or anything. And she wasn't 0:13:48.630 --> 0:13:49.150 at her house. 0:13:50.429 --> 0:13:53.429 James quickly threw some clothes on and jumped in Matt's car. 0:13:54.050 --> 0:13:56.230 The three of them went off in search of Robin. 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.260 We're driving around the parking lot. We're looking to see 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.580 if we can see anything, or maybe she dropped her bag. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.079 Then we're driving around the neighborhood, seeing if we can 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:11.890 find anything. Then... We are trying to periodically get a 0:14:11.950 --> 0:14:16.530 hold of Tina or anybody else we can think of. 0:14:16.550 --> 0:14:22.700 And at one point, Mark mentioned that there is a 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:32.340 trail behind the shop right. And he says he'll go 0:14:32.420 --> 0:14:34.250 back there and see if he sees anything. 0:14:35.630 --> 0:14:37.510 Matt and James waited in the car for him. 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.840 I think he wanted to just go by himself because 0:14:42.620 --> 0:14:44.080 he said he knew the area better. 0:14:45.260 --> 0:14:47.780 Mark ducked around the shop right and up the hill 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:48.550 behind it. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:55.820 And he came back, you know, maybe 15, 20 minutes later. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.540 But Mark said he saw no sign of Robin up there. 0:15:00.390 --> 0:15:02.550 He got back in the car and they took off again, 0:15:03.210 --> 0:15:07.350 driving around Carmel with their eyes peeled. By now it 0:15:07.390 --> 0:15:10.450 was after lunch and no one had notified the authorities, 0:15:11.050 --> 0:15:14.830 so Robin's friend Tina phoned the cops. The Carmel PD 0:15:14.890 --> 0:15:18.820 logged her call at 3.30 on April 10th, then drove 0:15:18.860 --> 0:15:23.000 to Shoprite Plaza to ask around. They spoke to Matt 0:15:23.060 --> 0:15:27.420 and James and to Robin's colleagues at Shoprite. They pegged 0:15:27.460 --> 0:15:31.900 her disappearance to 7.15 the night before, when she'd stepped 0:15:31.940 --> 0:15:35.420 out of her sedan at Shoprite Plaza and began walking 0:15:35.500 --> 0:15:39.540 toward Burger King. Alas, Robin never made it the hundred 0:15:39.660 --> 0:15:48.680 steps there. Questioned by the cops, Mac described Robin as depressed. 0:15:49.460 --> 0:15:51.900 But he also told them she didn't drink or take drugs. 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.880 She would never just run off. To the contrary, she 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.420 was living for a concert the following night. They were 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.830 going to Poughkeepsie to see her favorite band. Which band, 0:16:02.900 --> 0:16:06.110 asked a cop, who then wrote down the answer. His 0:16:06.190 --> 0:16:11.460 note reads... a group called Ramones. Then cops called the 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.250 airline desks to see if she'd flown to Phoenix. That 0:16:15.290 --> 0:16:17.750 was where she'd lived more or less happily until her 0:16:17.790 --> 0:16:21.770 family moved to Carmel two years prior. The cops also 0:16:21.830 --> 0:16:25.480 called her bank. Robin hadn't touched a dime of her 0:16:25.530 --> 0:16:30.320 small savings. But their suspicion that Robin had run off persisted. 0:16:31.140 --> 0:16:33.720 Mark Stein told the cops that just before she vanished, 0:16:34.300 --> 0:16:37.380 Robin gave a book of her intimate writings to James, 0:16:38.140 --> 0:16:42.100 her poems, lyrics, and stories. So the cops went to 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.710 James's house to ask about the notebook and about Robin's 0:16:45.850 --> 0:16:46.870 mindset of late. 0:16:48.430 --> 0:16:49.290 Everyone was trying to. 0:16:50.810 --> 0:16:52.550 Be positive that she was going to come back, that 0:16:52.590 --> 0:16:54.890 they were going to find something, that something was going 0:16:54.910 --> 0:17:01.520 to be done. I did have pretty much the same conversation, though, 0:17:01.540 --> 0:17:06.010 with the police when they took everything. They asked, do 0:17:06.030 --> 0:17:08.250 you think she would be the type of person that 0:17:08.270 --> 0:17:14.580 would kill herself? And she actually was not. She was 0:17:14.630 --> 0:17:16.840 way too positive of a person to do that sort 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:17.230 of thing. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.320 Finally, the cops went to Robin's house. They got permission 0:17:25.340 --> 0:17:28.699 to search her room. Maybe they thought they'd find proof 0:17:28.740 --> 0:17:31.719 there that she'd been planning to take off or do 0:17:31.780 --> 0:17:35.730 something much darker still. What they saw there were posters 0:17:35.770 --> 0:17:39.330 of the band she loved. Nothing bloody or black metal, 0:17:39.869 --> 0:17:44.120 just a standard mix of pissed-off grunge and goth, circa 0:17:44.150 --> 0:17:47.980 Nirvana and typo negative. But one look at those and 0:17:48.020 --> 0:17:52.340 the cops wrote down, and I quote, concern with death 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:57.129 and suicide and other forms of suffering. Then there was 0:17:57.150 --> 0:18:00.330 the packet of letters they found. One of them was 0:18:00.369 --> 0:18:03.630 from her boyfriend, Matt. who might have signed his name 0:18:03.690 --> 0:18:07.949 in blood. James recalled one morbid conversation when he was 0:18:08.090 --> 0:18:09.540 hanging with Matt and Robin. 0:18:11.100 --> 0:18:16.020 So at one point, they were also into the whole 0:18:16.619 --> 0:18:20.220 romance of vampirism and stuff like that, and they tried 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:24.400 to convince me they tasted each other's blood, and then 0:18:24.550 --> 0:18:27.970 they saw that that was making me ill, and they said, no, 0:18:27.970 --> 0:18:29.330 we didn't actually do that. 0:18:30.830 --> 0:18:34.330 The couple had declared their love with matching padlock pendants. 0:18:35.020 --> 0:18:38.080 They took to calling each other Sid and Nancy after 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:42.959 the Sex Pistols bassist and his siren, Nancy Spungen. They 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.560 even put a goth band together. They proudly named a 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:52.160 generation unborn and wrote shoegay songs about love beyond the pale. 0:18:53.020 --> 0:18:57.020 Here's a sample lyric from a song called Slink. I 0:18:57.060 --> 0:19:00.689 remember being born and that's the day I died. I 0:19:00.730 --> 0:19:05.490 remember how things were and how you felt inside. The 0:19:05.530 --> 0:19:09.209 cops asked her mom, Judy, if Robin was into devil stuff. 0:19:10.609 --> 0:19:13.189 Judy said that Robin was reading books by Anne Rice 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:17.240 and had seen a vampire movie several times. But James 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.640 told our reporter, Kathleen Horan, that Robin was just ahead 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:21.360 of the curve. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.760 She would have loved Twilight. She was into the romanticism 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:35.680 of Anne Rice. And she liked these spooky teen romance novels. 0:19:36.060 --> 0:19:38.760 I think one was called Remember Me, where it was 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.760 about a girl that was killed, and as a ghost, 0:19:43.369 --> 0:19:47.270 she had to try and solve her murder. Oh my God, James. 0:19:48.130 --> 0:19:50.760 She definitely kept trying to get us to read the book, 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.520 and I didn't read the book until after the whole 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.060 thing happened, and I basically was crying all the way 0:19:56.100 --> 0:19:56.500 through it. 0:20:01.020 --> 0:20:04.940 Meanwhile, days had passed since Robin vanished. And as far 0:20:04.980 --> 0:20:07.660 as her mom could tell, the cops didn't view this 0:20:07.740 --> 0:20:11.600 as a crime. They didn't launch an all-points search for 0:20:11.660 --> 0:20:15.840 her or implore the public for tips. Instead, they told 0:20:15.859 --> 0:20:19.470 the paper she was a, quote, missing person, unquote. 0:20:20.910 --> 0:20:24.369 I think also because she was a goth kid, they 0:20:25.050 --> 0:20:28.090 kind of figured that, you know, maybe, you know, there was, 0:20:28.970 --> 0:20:31.420 you know, maybe she was just like a runaway off 0:20:31.580 --> 0:20:34.920 doing God knows whatever they thought goth kids did. They 0:20:34.980 --> 0:20:37.700 didn't really take the whole thing seriously, I don't think. 0:20:39.060 --> 0:20:42.460 But the people who knew her, her friends, her co-workers, 0:20:42.869 --> 0:20:47.810 were panicked, rightly outraged. And so four days after Robin vanished, 0:20:48.230 --> 0:20:52.190 her store manager, Julie, put a search party together. On 0:20:52.210 --> 0:20:55.770 the evening of April 13th, a bunch of kids showed 0:20:55.810 --> 0:20:58.810 up at ShopRite to show those Carmel cops how to 0:20:58.869 --> 0:21:23.030 do their job. It was just before dusk, four days 0:21:23.109 --> 0:21:27.290 after Robin vanished. A ragtag group of teens gathered in 0:21:27.310 --> 0:21:31.430 the fire lane out behind ShopRite. In back of that 0:21:31.510 --> 0:21:35.280 alley was a densely wooded hill. It had trails kids 0:21:35.300 --> 0:21:38.320 would hike to go drink or smoke weed. There were 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:42.800 plenty of places to disappear in that treeline. Kevin Gloit 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.879 was one of Robin's friends who joined the search. He 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:49.090 was a quiet teen who kept himself to himself, but 0:21:49.109 --> 0:21:52.230 was fiercely loyal to Robin. In the spring of 26, 0:21:52.210 --> 0:21:57.310 our reporter Kathleen tracked Kevin down in Putnam. At 50, 0:21:57.310 --> 0:22:02.199 he still flaunts his rock signifiers, the earrings and goatee, 0:22:02.780 --> 0:22:04.379 the angry slipknot hoodie. 0:22:05.660 --> 0:22:07.419 Should we head there now? Sure, why not? 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:08.600 Are you okay with that? 0:22:08.660 --> 0:22:10.040 I know it's... That's fine with me. 0:22:11.030 --> 0:22:13.760 They met in the parking lot of that plaza. The 0:22:13.820 --> 0:22:16.280 alley behind Shopperite's still there, but the hill has been 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:20.419 cleared and landscaped. There's a condo development now on the 0:22:20.460 --> 0:22:23.660 other side of the dumpsters, not the thicket of trails 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:24.980 the searchers canvassed. 0:22:25.780 --> 0:22:28.800 Should we go this way? Or I'll follow? Walk around 0:22:28.820 --> 0:22:30.200 the front of the store, trust me. 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:30.760 Okay. 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:32.359 I feel you know your way. 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:37.200 Right now we see like landscaping almost with like rocks. 0:22:37.220 --> 0:22:39.870 With the stones and everything, yeah, no. There was more 0:22:39.890 --> 0:22:42.630 of an open path, more of a wooded area here. 0:22:43.390 --> 0:22:46.670 It sounds like maybe it was really Woodsy. Is that right? 0:22:47.310 --> 0:22:47.889 Pretty much. 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:57.139 We just got frustrated, a bunch of us, because it 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.520 felt like nobody's doing anything. They were just treating her 0:22:59.540 --> 0:23:00.270 like a runaway. 0:23:00.310 --> 0:23:01.510 I knew she didn't run away. 0:23:02.530 --> 0:23:06.650 That's Julie, Robin's old manager, talking. All these years later, 0:23:06.710 --> 0:23:10.369 she still works at ShopRite and is still piping mad 0:23:10.410 --> 0:23:10.990 at the cops. 0:23:12.130 --> 0:23:13.889 I just asked, you guys want to search around the 0:23:13.930 --> 0:23:18.030 back for Robin? And a bunch of us all met 0:23:18.210 --> 0:23:19.570 at ShopRite after work. 0:23:20.330 --> 0:23:22.320 How did word get out that there was going to 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:23.500 be a search for Robin? 0:23:24.619 --> 0:23:28.380 Just word of mouth. I told a friend, the friend 0:23:28.420 --> 0:23:30.340 told a friend, another friend told a friend. 0:23:32.580 --> 0:23:38.990 ShopRite did that search because the police were not doing anything. 0:23:41.340 --> 0:23:43.540 All they did was ask us if we knew where 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:44.100 she was. 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:49.639 Imagine being up in a twin-prop beach craft, a couple 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:53.919 hundred feet above that hill. It's seconds before dusk on 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:57.480 a soft spring evening, the sun dissolving like a snow 0:23:57.550 --> 0:24:01.689 cone behind you. Fifteen teens the size of Tic Tacs 0:24:01.770 --> 0:24:05.550 trudge the green wedge below you. Over there, you'd tell them, 0:24:05.630 --> 0:24:08.770 pointing with your toe at the strange brown blob behind 0:24:08.810 --> 0:24:12.200 a thicket. But from that height, no one can hear 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:12.980 you down there. 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:18.379 There was a bunch of us. Like, I'd say five 0:24:18.460 --> 0:24:23.020 people went to the left, five people went to the middle, 0:24:23.859 --> 0:24:28.270 five people went to the right, and we just, like, 0:24:28.350 --> 0:24:28.940 spread out. 0:24:30.170 --> 0:24:33.710 Half of them covered the woods behind Shopperite. The others 0:24:33.770 --> 0:24:36.929 fanned out into the brush to their right. None of 0:24:36.970 --> 0:24:39.410 them knew how to do a grid search or find 0:24:39.450 --> 0:24:43.109 anything bigger than a joint beneath their car seat. But 0:24:43.150 --> 0:24:46.360 for Robin, they'd have combed those woods till midnight, then 0:24:46.490 --> 0:24:48.139 started again at first light. 0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:54.320 It's dark, and we're going up the trail with some flashlights. 0:24:55.540 --> 0:24:57.300 And we just started searching around. 0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:01.879 Faith was another young shopwright worker who joined the search 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:02.500 for Robin. 0:25:03.690 --> 0:25:06.450 I remember a water tower. I remember flashlights. 0:25:06.510 --> 0:25:08.369 And I do remember them saying that we need to 0:25:08.410 --> 0:25:09.170 just call her name. 0:25:09.230 --> 0:25:11.550 And we did, like you see on TV when they're 0:25:11.570 --> 0:25:13.970 looking for a lost kid, which was like a little 0:25:14.090 --> 0:25:15.170 eerie and creepy. 0:25:16.470 --> 0:25:19.340 On that night in 95, those kids still nursed hopes 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.699 that Robin was up there somewhere. Maybe she'd fallen and 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:27.280 hurt herself. Either way, they weren't coming down until they 0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:29.359 cased each inch of that hill open. 0:25:35.570 --> 0:25:39.710 And then it was like, oh, I found something over here. 0:25:40.470 --> 0:25:42.230 I found something over here. 0:25:42.260 --> 0:25:45.340 They knew it was her purse because when they looked 0:25:45.380 --> 0:25:50.200 inside it, they found a check stub for the shop, right? Like, 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:55.720 sitting right in some, like, you know, some bushes or something. 0:25:56.300 --> 0:25:56.840 It was scary. 0:25:56.900 --> 0:25:57.720 It was frightening. 0:25:58.820 --> 0:26:00.680 Something definitely happened to her. 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:05.510 Hearing the commotion, the other searchers ran over. They gathered 0:26:05.570 --> 0:26:07.270 around the findings, gawking. 0:26:08.650 --> 0:26:14.990 Once we got the purse, I immediately just started crying. 0:26:16.090 --> 0:26:18.150 It seemed to hit them all at the same moment. 0:26:19.190 --> 0:26:21.780 I kept telling myself that she's going to turn up. 0:26:21.859 --> 0:26:23.710 She's going to turn up. She's going to turn up. 0:26:24.470 --> 0:26:28.180 And then they found that, and I'm like, she's not 0:26:28.220 --> 0:26:30.420 going to turn up. And it immediately felt real. I 0:26:32.260 --> 0:26:33.960 knew that's when we weren't going. 0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:34.199 To see her. 0:26:38.490 --> 0:26:44.490 And then Tina said, we have to let her parents 0:26:44.570 --> 0:26:45.369 know what we found. 0:26:45.390 --> 0:26:50.960 So we went to the pay phone, and she started 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.119 to talk to them, but then she got choked up. 0:26:54.859 --> 0:27:01.810 And she gave her dad the basic before she got 0:27:01.869 --> 0:27:03.330 choked up and handed me the phone. 0:27:04.930 --> 0:27:07.600 James told Robin's dad, Brian, the rest of it. 0:27:08.690 --> 0:27:12.000 We found her purse. Her check stub was in it. 0:27:13.650 --> 0:27:17.210