WEBVTT - Out The Mud 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.480 What if I told you the secret to financial freedom 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:06.600 is a trade. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:10.239 That's actually really really You're onto something here, you know. 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.080 It makes me think of my good old makeup days. 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:17.319 I've since retired the brushes, but baby, they took me 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:17.840 a long way. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:19.320 Dead Ass. 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:24.639 Wow, it all started with real talk, unfiltered, honest and 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.759 straight from the heart. Since then, we've gone on to 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:30.479 become Webby award winning podcasters in New York Times bestselling authors. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.040 Dead Ass was more than a podcast for us. It 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.519 was about our growth, a place where we could be vulnerable. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.360 Be wraw orse, but most apportly be us. 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.319 But as we know, life keeps evolving, and so do we, 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:46.840 and through it all, one thing has never changed. This 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:50.120 is ever after, because we got a lot to talk 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:51.600 about story time. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:57.760 So I'm gonna take y'all back to June two thousand 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.800 and two. I believe it's June two thousand and two. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:03.520 Yes, Oh that's way back. 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.440 Yeah, this is just way back. This was before you 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:06.720 and I even. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:19.640 Time every episode I felt, so this is June two 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:20.400 thousand and one. 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:25.120 I was going back and forth to Hofstra for I 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:26.240 was trying to earn a scholarship. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:27.559 I was partial scholarship. 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.240 I was a senior in high school, going back and 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:31.680 forth for spring ball, and it was the end of 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.880 spring ball, and it was finally they called my dad 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.720 and was just like, YO, got some good news for you. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:40.880 I was like, what's up. He's like, Yo, your son 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.000 just earned a full scholarship. The hostra before I got there. 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.360 So I'm excited. It's like good day, Like everything's happening. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.920 My dad comes home and comes home from work and 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:53.560 I'm just like, what's up with you? You look kind 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.000 of out of it. He's like I just got laid off. 0:01:58.320 --> 0:01:59.960 Was like, what from Chase Bank. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:00.760 Now. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.320 At the time, I was a senior in high school. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.160 My brother was a sophomore in high school. My sister 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.680 was going to Bishop carniy High School, and I'm thinking 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:10.400 about Dane, at least you. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:11.720 Don't got to pay for my scholarship. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:13.440 But I'm like, my brother's going to be going to school, 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.520 and my sister is in high school and she has 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.680 a tuition, So I'm thinking about all of the things 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.079 that my father has to pay for. And I remember 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.680 he looked at me and he was just like, I 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.800 ain't worry though, God will provide, And I remember looking 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.320 at him like, I don't think it worked like that, 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.920 Like at some point you got to do something like 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:34.520 this is what I'm thinking. Then I watched my father 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:38.200 for the next two weeks. He was studying, and I'm like, yo, 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:39.880 what are you studying for? He was like, you know, 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.600 for medical sales and insurance, they use coding the same 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:47.040 coding he has, in order to put those into their system. 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.040 So he was studying how to do that so that 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.240 he could, you know, do medical sales or help with insurance. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.040 And I was just like for he was like, yeah, 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.560 this is why I got my associates degree. It's like, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.840 you know, doing mainframeing is like a trade. They're always 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:59.320 going to need somebody like me, so I always have 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.320 a job. And he was literally hired two weeks later 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.960 to do main framing for another company called sun God, 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.239 And at that moment, it was just kind of like, Yo, 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.720 my dad only has an associate's degree, never been to 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.400 a four year school, and it's always made over what 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:18.160 made six figures because he had a trade that was necessity. 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.360 And I was like he was always on. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.919 The sounds like it. He'd be like, you know, you know. 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:31.280 Bro, my father got laid off twice from Chase Manhattan 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.120 Bank once and then afterwards from sun God. 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.200 Both times he just walked out jolly. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:41.360 Here, like I didn't want to go anyway the house. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.760 Sometimes I was in college and I'd be like, oh, school, 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:46.840 and he'd be like, yeah, what's up? 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:49.280 And I'm like, why are you whispering? 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:49.960 Like I'm at work. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:52.560 I'm like, why are you whispering at work? And I'm 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:53.120 at the movies? 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:57.200 What do you want in the middle of the day. 0:03:58.360 --> 0:03:59.440 Work from home was a thing. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.720 Yeah, literally, And he always made really good money. And 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.520 then here's the funny thing about having the trade. When 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.280 you get hired as a consultant for that trade, you 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.760 get played. You get paid two point five x. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.480 Absolutely so, because he was. 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.840 A main frame consultant and they were hiring all of 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:17.760 these people to come from different parts of the world 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.000 to take over his job, they spent two years of 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.440 having him train them on how to do his job, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:24.560 and he got more. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.640 Money training them than he did work in the job. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.160 And at that point, that's when I was like, I 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.040 got to get to that level of trade where you're 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.719 an expert and you can two point five extract. 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.560 There you go, all right, that was not all right. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:37.880 You took it? 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:38.680 Did go ahead? 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.840 You have it scar time. And I saw you over 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.320 here practicing and rehearsing. I got a whole situation going 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:44.800 on out here. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.560 I wasn't practicing and rehearsing, but I wanted to get 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.560 I wanted to get the lyrics right because the lyrics. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.880 Oh, well that's the first I mean tearing the lyrics 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.279 up me too. You got bar trible. We got it 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:02.000 wrong yesterday? What Oh yeah, wasn't Bill Withers. Oh it's 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:07.679 Bobby called well by my bad Bobby that I guess 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:12.320 you wonder where't that's crazy because you said Bill Withers 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.040 in the moment and I was like, yeah, Bill Withers, 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:14.600 and I'm like. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.240 I was thinking that too. I was feeling like, I 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:17.960 think that's wrong. 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.400 It wasn't until after midnight, I think last night did 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.480 in the kitchen and I was like it. 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.440 Was Bobby called Jackson. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.720 I was like, google us for me and I'm like, yeah, 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.200 my bad, so my bad Bobby. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:36.080 It wasn't yesterday, it was last week. 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:40.720 We didn't record all the week. 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.559 When I'm editing it, I'm gonna just record myself saying 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:44.440 Bobby called. 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.480 Exactly. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.719 I know what this was. This was Bobby. The videos 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.000 gonna be completely different. Clothes be at home. 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.640 No, we cut to Josh's face or Matt's face. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.640 My face saying Bill Withers. But then you'll hear me saying. 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.520 It'll be like watching Netflix. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:12.880 Exactly, like watching it be like watching to be They 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:14.480 don't be caring, bro, Baby. 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.600 The audio won't be in sync with the lips. 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.480 Nah, the people, the actors be completely different. The wigs 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.799 be different. The gunshots, y know, they had one where 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.039 the bullet went around the tree. 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:25.640 Did y'all see that? 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:26.119 Wanted? 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.080 Yeah, but it wasn't like it wasn't the great technology. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:31.960 You know, the ones that they throw the bullet and 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.880 who comes around and you see the bullet in slow motion. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.080 And I've seen the club on social the dude shot 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:41.080 straight and the person was behind the tree, and then 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.480 you see the bullet come out in slow motion. Then 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.200 you don't follow the bullet, but you see the person 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.120 at the tree like and then you see a bullet 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:49.200 just go through the front of their head. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.720 Like I love it. I don't know, man, I'm like, 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.320 I'm just indifferent. I love the the fantasy of it all. 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.839 It's not polished. It's like, have we watched Bollywood movies? 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.240 Of course he's watching. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:05.200 Yeah those are my people. 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.599 Yeah that's your family. 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.720 But yeah they be having crazy like action scenes in 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.480 the Bollywood movies. Man, they be like like going down 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.840 the road and like a kid will be in a 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:19.920 kid will be in the road here, like the guy 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.160 would like jump off the bike and go around this way. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.440 The bike could go this way. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:26.320 Yes, but it's better. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.520 Yeah it might be. They said, Yeah, they've been doing 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.800 it for like twenty thirty years. Man, we got some 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.120 You got to catch your work. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.080 To do what you got for karaoke. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.040 So this is what I got for karaoke. All right, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.560 I'm going to say these words and to see who 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:45.200 can remember the song once I say the tone, y'all. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.160 Going to know it. I ain't kept the real from 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:48.640 the jump. 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.640 Oh man, who's this Kendrick? Living at my mama's house 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.440 with every month I was. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.840 Trying to get it on my own, working all night, truffing, 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.280 going away home and my uncle calling me like. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.640 I gave you the king, so you bring it right back, nigger. 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.400 Butther thing is looking up the lyrics and it's crazy, 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:13.720 like you know, you're getting old that you got to 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.400 look up to the lyrics because Drake has had so 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.240 many songs since then. But that was one of my 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:19.080 favorite songs. 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.320 Started starting from the bottom, now we're here started. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.840 That was a that was a bop, that was what 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.720 was that hard sixteen? 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:30.520 Let's fact check. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:32.840 That's one of his most relatable songs. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.480 I think the twenty twelve, to be honest, I think 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:39.640 I could be twenty. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:44.440 Thirteen years nothing. I do remember the song though, and 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:45.600 I know who sang it this. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.440 Time, Drake. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:49.800 So let's take a quick break. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:50.839 All right, we're gonna do that. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.240 Come backus getting it out the mud. 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.240 That's it. But before that, stick around for op or 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:57.959 no op paddles. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:04.400 Ready, y'all, we're back with ov or no app, no 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.559 APPV or no OD true. 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:07.640 What do you have for us today? 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:13.280 All right, Well, Josh had a really nice ME and 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.280 Josh had a conversation about a video earlier this morning. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.080 I'm nervous. 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:23.600 I know this one isn't as bad. Sometimes Josh can 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.160 be profound, you know when he's on the podcast. Sometimes 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.000 he just sounds like an idiot. But he's a smart guy. 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:30.840 Is he awful? 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:35.040 He uses his brain. So there's a woman who self 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.559 published a book, and apparently she gave this book to 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:42.120 her family two years ago and for her birthday, they 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.560 always go to brunch at a restaurant, and she told 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.120 them about some big news that she had to share. 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:50.880 Can we watch the video? 0:09:51.520 --> 0:10:38.320 Would love to, you know, And. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.320 So I want you to stop right here, can pause it. 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.199 You see this lady in the orange, I don't know what. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.200 She hasn't stopped eating the entire time. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:04.560 I noticed that she's watching something food, watching something. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.360 She's got her iPad up to. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.520 Wow, the restaurants have like the little menu as an iPad. M. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:15.160 There's another one. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:20.240 There's another one yet that's a restaurant. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:22.000 Yes, Or she's watching the commercials that they show. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.040 Yeah, they have games on those things. 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:30.520 Yeah. So I'm not going to help. I don't know. 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.839 This young lady posted this video and the Internet was 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.600 kind of in a tizzy about this lady who just 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.280 doesn't seem to care at all. She's eating her brunch 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.280 while everybody else is just waiting for the announcement to 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.520 be over. So I'm I'm wondering, op er no op 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.520 on this. The Internet congratulated this woman on her book 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.199 and getting accepted into grad school, and you know they 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.199 thought people should have paid more attention and gave her 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.000 more props. She also said that she gave this book 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.400 to her family two years ago, but she doesn't think 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:01.600 anybody even read it. 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.479 Yeah, I can tell you nobody. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.720 I want to know, what do you think about this scenario? 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:11.120 Op or no app? 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.880 So I got, I got, I got two ops. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.040 The first OP is congratulations on writing a book, so 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:23.680 publishing and going to Scotland. The second OP is when 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.040 we all go to brunch, that's not a time for 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.880 you to occupy everybody be hungry. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:30.840 And that's what it looked like. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.240 It was good and I'm sorry. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.000 We can have this after I'm done eating, But make 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.640 your speeches at the right time. And was here and 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.160 it's hot, Like don't you trying to make no thirty 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.280 minute speeches? She was talking wile long, like I'd have 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.439 been too, I'd have been looking like, come on, son. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:46.760 She was trying to save rhythm moment. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.120 It's probably not even piping hot when it came out and. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:53.480 All the time. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.880 Yeah, you could have said that while we were waiting. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:01.080 You see what I'm saying, right, Maybe it's not a 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.720 popular opinion, but that's how I like. 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.480 So so my my op or question. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.240 Rather, I'm wondering, was she upset with the reaction she 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.760 got from her family or was it the audience upset 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:12.120 for her? 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.079 You know what I'm saying, I think the uset. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.280 Yeah, it makes me think about how many times something 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.120 may happen to you and you can be perfectly fine 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.640 with whatever that interaction was, but then people come behind you. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.120 You didn't see that, how'd you feel about that? But 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:26.760 look at the way she said that, she didn't even 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.920 look up from her meal, And. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:30.760 Then it becomes an issue that didn't have to be 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.520 an issues because you didn't feel the way everybody else 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.840 felt away, and now you feel like you're inclined to feel. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:36.320 A way exactly. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.040 That's most issues. Yeah, exactly, absolutely. I mean I deal 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.800 with this all the time. I have a lot of friends, 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.760 a lot of family, and one of my friends listens 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.880 to this podcast on a regular basis, and it's. 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.560 Just one getting friends, just one, right. 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:56.120 But it's like my other friends don't listen to podcasts 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:57.960 or it might not be interesting for them. I'm not 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.040 offended by that. It's like, you know, they support me 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.280 regardless in other ways. But if it's not interesting to them, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.360 they're not the audience for it. I'm not expecting them 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:08.800 to listen to every single episode. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:09.440 I agree. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.840 So, and the friend who listens to it, it's like 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.800 the person you at least expect. It's my white bestie 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.839 who had but she has three kids and she's married 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:18.319 and so the. 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.080 Topics I expect that. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:24.000 Yeah, it's it's very they're very interesting and relevant to 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.520 her life, right, So you know, but I don't, you know, 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.240 I don't get offended by that, and I don't think 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:32.240 other people should. I actually hate the rhetoric when you're 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.720 like if your friends don't support your business or your 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.880 friends at all, Like does your business really apply to 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:38.440 your friends? 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:39.239 Right? 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.160 Does something with your business for your audience? 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.920 Right, my friends don't support me, My family don't support me, 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:47.880 like or they're. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.080 Looking for a discount, you know, friends of family discount. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.280 But what if she's also the person who is always 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.960 the overachiever in the family, So her making this announcement 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.400 is like all right, girl, well you like congrat you know, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.760 because I used to, for example, come home and be like, hey, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:04.440 I had straight a's this year. 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:08.400 He's just like, what's new? You can do it every time? 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.360 And then in my mind, I'm like, no, this is 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.600 an accomplishment because I was taking like this course and 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:13.240 a people. 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.800 All of the she came home with the B one time. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.320 I was hype because I got A in that class. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:26.960 Of course, So you communication, I got an A n B. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.200 Absolutely, that was the one semester I had all straight 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:31.600 a's and that was the one B I got. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.000 I said, just because I don't. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:38.800 Think she got to get Josh. Everybody ain't small all 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:39.520 the time, the. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.520 Fact that some of us living in the class I 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.000 was signing in and then he came at the very end. 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.320 You know, mister charismatic, let me. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.400 Tell you ridiculous. This is the truth. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.640 We only had this class. This was Monday, Wednesday, Fridays 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.120 and I had spring ball. So I only came on 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:58.960 Fridays because I had spring ball. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:15:59.400 The other day. 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.160 She was signed me in. Never spoke to Drunker. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:07.600 Last day of class, we had to do presentation group presentations, right, 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:08.800 never been there. 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:09.120 For the group. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.720 Show up there the groups like what's up? So we 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.560 got a presentation that I said I got. Y'all went 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.040 up there killed the presentation, just straight spitball everything, just 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.320 winging at making people laugh, joke. As soon as I 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.520 got done, I walked up to Drunker. I said, Drunker, 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:23.880 I want to tell you that I appreciate your class 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.280 and so so many things I learned this semester that 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:30.160 I could carry with myself beyond speech communication, but more 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.600 in the terms of life, Like I feel like I 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.240 became a better person because of your class. 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:35.680 I can't wait to take your next class. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:36.240 Got it? 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:43.880 Oh my god, gotta be specious. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.960 Yes, No, Charisma showed up on that was like, that's 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.120 how And I said, this man is going to do 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:53.880 anything he wants to do. The way he went up 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.640 there and finised not only her, but the group protest. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.320 I was like, did you even know the topic? And 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.080 the topic was off the And. 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.720 I guess that kind of goes plays into the topic 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.359 for today, because I really do believe that personality can 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.280 carry you very far. Absolutely absolutely, And I mean you 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.720 gotta be smart obviously to spitball that type of thing. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.399 You gotta be smart, You gotta know something, but your 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.320 personality is going to take you the rest of the way. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.520 But another thing that I saw on the internet, so 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.320 you guys know, the TSA shut down is happening. The 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:32.600 Republicans are not funding Homeland Security and TSA is under that, 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.600 but they are funding ICE, So they've been sending ICE 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:40.040 agents to airports in the country to assist TSA. In 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.480 most cases, they're just standing behind TSA agents doing nothing, 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.240 and the TSA agent is not getting paid, but ICE 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.000 agents are. So it's kind of a slap in the face. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:53.000 But on the Internet, somebody took a picture at Hartsfield 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.840 Jackson of a stud ts I mean a stud ICE 0:17:55.840 --> 0:18:01.200 sation and the discourse is that, like, you know, black 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.720 women being ICE agents. Those are basically ops, you know, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.520 and somebody posts it so it's protect black women as 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.919 long as they're not military police or ICE agents. So 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:17.320 a lot of people are saying, uh yeah, yeah. 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.880 But on that, Yo, it's hard. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:26.000 I gotta op man, because we're talking about come. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.320 On, if y'all stop talking, I might get my patient. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:31.760 I'm not the girl eating at the table, honey, I 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:32.920 want to hear what you got to say. 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.439 Now, I think, Yo, it's this economy is hard, Like 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.320 a lot of people do things that they don't necessarily 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.640 want to do so and that might be working for ICE. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.159 So why knock her for working for ice just to 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.480 get a paycheck. She don't got to agree with the administration. 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:49.320 She got to. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.600 Agree agreeing with that, I'm not agreeing with that because 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.960 it's no different than when they say celebrities soul they 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.080 sold for a dollar. You ultimately selling your soul and 0:18:58.119 --> 0:18:59.560 selling your people out to make money. 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.640 It's the same thing. So if we as a community 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:02.000 are going to. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.640 Say that celebrities quote unquote Selee soul for a dollar, 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.640 you can't then say, oh, she's working doing something. 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.200 You got to get paid. Do we say that or 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.880 society says that? Because I'm thinking about society, I don't 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.320 say celebrities sold their soul for a dollar. 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.000 That narrative time. 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.680 But Tripp was talking about the narrative and she said, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.800 is this where is this where we are as a 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.080 society are with this? 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.600 I'm saying the collective. Isn't that the question you asked? 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:24.880 Yeah? 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.480 I think as a society, anybody who is on the 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.919 side of fascism or who's on the side of oppressing 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.679 people in any way, whether you're writing laws or you're 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.000 part of law enforcement, I think everybody in the world 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:38.639 is like fuck you. 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:40.280 At this point, but that's what I think. 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.200 All right, I can agree with that because I don't 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.080 agree with fascism, But is it also staying quiet about 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:49.320 it also aiding and aiding and not fighting It isn't 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.320 that part of right? So like, if you're not putting 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:56.760 a hard stand on where you stand publicly with your money, 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.000 with h your approach to how you how you live 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:03.240 on a daily basis, isn't it also signing with But. 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:05.840 I think that's a false equivalency to someone signing up 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:09.360 to actively take part in fashion. It's like when you're 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.480 not saying nothing is different than signing up to lock 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:12.080 people up. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:13.880 That's just two different things. 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.600 And I don't think that collectively. I don't think that 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.160 you know, black people are not saying or doing anything. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.680 I agree, So yeah, I think that is a false equivalency. 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.600 And it's just like how much are you? Like, can 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.320 you be bought? You know what I'm saying, how much 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.280 is your dignity worth? How much is your I. 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.000 Can see that I change my opinion. 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:36.719 She got your number, Josh, No, it's on the record. 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.760 Yeah, Like I can't change my mind, I can't switch 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:40.240 my ballot. 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:42.720 You can totally do that. I mean that's what we're 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:44.200 here for. That's what you kind of want to talk 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.320 and see a different opinions. 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.600 And understand people's perspective. That's why it's no judgment. 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:51.320 But to me, it would be similar to signing up 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:56.840 for the Montgomery Police Department in nineteen sixty five when 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:58.760 they were terrorizing black people. You just said me, I 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.000 need a job, I'm gonna be a and now you 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.400 out there with the baton beating on black people too, 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.679 Like that's just not getting I can't say at that point, like, well, 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:09.840 you didn't say nothing, so it's the same thing. Na, 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.119 that's not the same thing. You actively signed up to 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:17.119 terrorize people. Ice is not doing any good, right, They're not. 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:22.040 I say this, I don't don't. I don't know the context. 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.560 I haven't seen. I don't. Is it the girl she's 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.000 standing up, it's just like a screenshot of her. I've 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:28.960 seen that, and she looks like desolate, like she don't 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:30.520 even want to be there. Is that picture? 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.240 Most of them they don't want to be there. I don't, 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:34.960 And that's my this is my thing. 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:37.080 I don't see. 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.360 I can't see anyone other than a proud boy who 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:44.080 wants to just terrorize marginalize people, saying, yo, I can't 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:45.200 wait to be an ICE agent. 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:46.320 Most people who. 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.320 Are doing it are doing it because they don't have 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.800 any other options, or they don't think they have any 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:52.960 other options, when the truth is, there are other options 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.040 than being the ICE agent. You don't have to resort 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.480 to that. But it's the easiest thing because they're making 0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.359 it easy because they want people to sign them so 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.600 they can continue to terrorize marginalized people. 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:02.840 I just can't rock with that. 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:04.520 And then her standing off to the side. I think 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.400 about even just people who we know that like are cops, 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:08.639 and it's just like. 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.280 Okay, you are not fighting anything, so how did you 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.639 become a cop? Now I'm gonna get an easy easy 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:15.520 What do you call it easy? 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:16.480 Being an easy check? 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.640 You know what I'm saying is I'm not fighting no crimes. 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:21.480 I'm gonna just collect my check. I don't know if 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:23.600 that's the approach. Maybe she's taking it. She's off to the side. 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.040 She's like, let me sit here and the cut in 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.239 my ICE uniform, knowing I really damn well don't want 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:28.680 to be here, but I have a family to feed. 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:30.360 That's what Josh is saying. 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.520 Yeah, and I'm saying I could I could see how 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.720 that could be somebody's mentality, like I'm not gonna get 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.120 in the mix too much, but I'm gonna just stand 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:38.000 back here and collect this chain. 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:39.600 The thing is, though, if you can, if you can 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:42.119 go do construction at that point, if you if you 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.040 want to go sign off to the side and do something, 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.320 you can go sign up to do construction and make 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.159 twenty five dollars an hour hard labor. 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:48.600 That's true. 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:50.199 You don't have to sign up, get a gun, and 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:51.800 then labor. 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:54.760 Yeah, and the unemployment rate is like hi, right now, 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:56.840 there's a lot of just no opportunities for people. 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.359 But what I'm saying is you avoiding hard labor to 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.960 do something easy and terror wised black and brown folks 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.320 is wrong that That to me is just wrong because 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.439 you're avoiding what's difficult to do what's easy at the 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.080 expense of other people. That to me is just I 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:11.960 would never do that. The only way I'd be an 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:13.919 ICE agent if I was in there telling on all 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.879 the Ice agents, if I had a camera, I'm. 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:18.960 What stuffs happening. 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:20.960 I'm like, look look what they're doing. Look what they're doing. 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.520 They're not gonna show you this. Everybody camera's off. I'm like, yeah, 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.360 my camera's off. Look, that's the only way I could 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:27.200 see myself being. 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:30.159 There's a young comic, Lavelle Dante who he made a 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:32.240 joke recently that was like, I would sign up for 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:34.320 ICE and I would go to places and be like, 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:35.640 y'all get the hell out of here. 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:41.399 I mean, yo, right, that's the only way I can 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:42.119 see myself being there. 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.480 Probably, I'm sure there are some people who have signed 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:48.040 up fires, and we probably can get in trouble for 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:52.120 saying this out loud who probably planning, like y'are about 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.680 to come here, y'all need to If I was from 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:57.639 New York and I was gonna join ICE, yeah, I 0:23:57.720 --> 0:23:59.479 was like, Yo, they coming up to the Bronx tomorrow, 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:01.320 y'all don't be around this street. 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:01.960 You know what I'm saying. 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.879 I'm pretty sure there's people doing and if they're doing that, 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.000 more power to you. You know what I'm saying. 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:16.760 They got to say melt, melt great. 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.720 I think this is I agree with Governor Wes Moore. 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.160 He said this the other day. This is a bigger play. 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:29.240 Some Trump is working on something bigger with sending ICE today. Yeah, yeah, 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:30.040 we don't see right now. 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.240 It was in Project twenty five privatizing. 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:37.560 Uh yeah, it's a part of it. 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:42.320 Well well, well, and h what was also in there 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:44.480 was privatizing the post office? And the post Office is 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:45.280 running out of money. 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.000 I mean, let's be honest. America is run like a business. 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:51.680 I mean it makes sense not even work for the 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:53.560 post Office. That don't even be at work. 0:24:53.920 --> 0:25:00.159 Man, the post Office is the post Office is not 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:03.159 a for profit business, y' true, they're not. It's a 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.320 it's a several true service. 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:06.920 Yeah, service, it's necessary. 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:08.920 I want to work for the post Office. But that's 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:09.560 my dream job. 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.760 Are you serving like postal worker. 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:15.639 The post office? 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:19.760 In her What do you call those Doc Martins shorts 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:20.280 walking down? 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:20.760 Yea? 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:22.440 I see you getting dressed up in the post office 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:24.840 looking great. You don't work well with people. 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:25.560 You be calling people. 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:29.800 I want to work at the post office taking people mail. 0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:32.440 Have you ever been to the post Office and had 0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:36.040 a good customer service experience? Never? Never? That's why I 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:37.639 want to work there, because they don't they don't give 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:45.760 a toy. It's post office and d M v oh yeah, 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:50.119 and the bus driver yeah, t a them M T. 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:52.360 A is in the school safety train. 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.160 I would do school safety before I do ice. 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:57.480 Yeah, oh for sure. 0:25:57.840 --> 0:25:58.400 You know what I'm saying. 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:00.960 By breaking up fight, I mean you can make it. 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.400 You can make an impact as a school safety absolutely can. 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:05.959 I still remember I remember my school safety officer. 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:07.280 It was dope. 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:08.320 They had great relationships. 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:09.399 They handled mad beefts. 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:11.560 There was things that should have happened that if school 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:14.160 safety wasn't handling issue. 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.919 It was the actual police department would have been horrible. 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:17.320 For sure. 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:20.760 Absolutely absolutely. While we got the police in our school though, 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:21.480 that's crazy. 0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.359 And metal detectives, which is that's how we grew up. 0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:25.760 We had actually machines in our school. 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:27.560 Yeah, we had them to it. You had him in 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.840 midw We had actually metal detectives in Madison. We had 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:31.959 to put our bags to for them. 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:35.960 Events and hooligans, honey. 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.000 I went to the greatest public Catholic school af a 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:40.879 Bishop for where we saw knife and guns in the 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:41.320 locker room. 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:41.560 Yeah. 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:46.160 They closed. Now, welcome to Brooklyn. 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:47.240 That part. 0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:52.560 So we're talking about building wealth with the trade. 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:55.520 You said something that I wanted to go back to 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:56.720 talk about charisma. 0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:58.000 My dad. 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.240 My dad told the story when he let go from sundown. 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.679 This is also important why I did what I did 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:07.359 with Ducker Drunker. He got let go from sundown and 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:08.680 he was one of the last guys out in his 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.560 computer right and everybody was closing up and leaving their stuff, 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:12.560 and they were just walking out. 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.760 He got up, walked by, saw the manager and said, hey, man, I. 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.040 Was appreciate you know, the opportunity. He said, Hey, Troy, 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.200 before you leave, I got something for you. That guy 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.200 hired my dad at his next job, and it was 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:26.800 mainly because my father was always the person that was last. 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:30.000 He always got there early, and he always spoke to people. 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:32.960 He was always very very nice. So I took that 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.439 from my dad. Every time I do something, I always 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.159 tell people I really appreciate it. I tell him thank you, 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.680 you know. And ever since I've been doing that, I've 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.359 realized my life, I've been able to succeed because people 0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:45.000 look out for those who they remember. 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:46.080 That is a fact. 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:46.240 You know. 0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:48.199 It don't matter how good you it doesn't matter how 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.359 good you do a job. If they remember you and 0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:52.399 they like working with you, they're more than likely to 0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:54.960 pull you up. And that's part of having a trade 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.960 that people don't realize. A lot of people don't make 0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:00.080 money in their trades, not because they're not good that 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.119 the trade, is because they're not good with relationship. 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:03.560 Yeah, and customer service. 0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:05.560 That's so true because I was working with a makeup 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:09.280 artist years ago, and she was younger than me, and 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:10.920 at the time I was kind of all my way 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:12.640 out of the industry, but she was on her way 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:16.359 in coming and I had hired her to do my 0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:18.400 makeup one time just to kind of see, like, Okay, 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.200 this girl's talented, she can do something. 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:20.640 Give her a shot. 0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:24.720 And I realized that even just her interaction with me 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.640 was very kind of cut and dry, which is also fine. 0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:29.359 I didn't know if in part maybe she was nervous 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:31.480 the first time working with me or what. But I 0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:33.120 had said to her, I'm like, listen, if you want 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:35.480 to like take this thing. You're so talented, you're so young, 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.960 you have so much ability. I said, you can make 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:39.920 a lot of money in this industry by being an 0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.760 on demand makeup artist. But it's not even as much 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:44.640 your talent and your skill. It's how you make the 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:48.200 person feel when they're in your chair. So you have 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.600 to be that person that's personable and outgoing and make 0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.360 the conversation. I said, sometimes people will sit in your 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:56.440 chair and they'll just start spilling their guts. It's almost like, 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:58.920 is this a therapy session or what you know? But 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:03.320 in that making people feel comfortable and you being memorable 0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:05.480 as someone who they want to hire and want to 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.240 be in their space is very very important. And she 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.880 was able to take that piece of advice, and as 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:13.040 she got older and she matured, she was able to 0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.320 build out a business and became like a really big 0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:19.320 influencer in the makeup industry as well. So saying that 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.680 to say, you're absolutely right about customer service and how 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.600 you make people feel with the experience being like eighty 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:26.440 percent of the battle. 0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:30.080 Yeah, I think it's important for people to understand too. 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:32.920 Customer service important relations, but also listening and learning the 0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.560 craft because I said, it doesn't matter how good you are, 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:37.440 which is really not true. You have to become a 0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:39.760 master of your craft in order to get paid and 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:43.160 I think that's important. But also time management. When you 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.600 have a trade, people don't realize that part of your trade. 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.840 And I learned this through Josh. We're talking about this story. 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:52.960 I hired Draj to be my photographer. You think that 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.400 all Josh does is take pictures. Then you find out 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.640 that there's hours of editing that goes afterwards. And then 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.760 as a person who tries to master their trade, you 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.600 have to figure out how to master your hours in 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.160 a day to maximize how much money you make during 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.840 that time. Most people give up on their trade because 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.280 they can't master that point. For example, when I was 0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.760 in college, my trade was cutting here. I learned how 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.640 to cut here, and I would charge people ten dollars 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:20.640 for a haircut, so I knew. I was like, yo, 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:22.440 if I can do this every Saturday and Sunday and 0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:24.520 I can cut at least five heads, I could make 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.440 one hundred dollars a weekend. Then I started realizing, like, 0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.240 wait a minute, if I get two pair of clippers, 0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:32.160 I don't have to wait for the clippers to cool down. 0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.040 I could actually do ten heads in the day. And 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.240 it was just like cutting down and learning how to 0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:39.920 master the craft. But the time element of the craft 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.280 is how you make the most money for sure. And 0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:44.920 then the biggest part about owning a trade or having 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:48.160 a trade is learning when to duplicate yourself and when 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.600 to scale. Thought that I remember when Kadeen started doing 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:55.720 so many weddings that she taught Sakari how to do makeup, 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.080 and then they would split the bridesmaids. And then it 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.720 got to a point where they splitting weddings because k 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:03.560 would go to one and Soakari will go to one 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:05.200 on the same day. And I'm like, yo, you just 0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:10.120 too exed your input because you've been able to duplicate yourself. 0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:12.680 No, for sure, that was super important when I realized, like, oh, 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:14.720 these bridal parties are coming out with just you know, 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.160 four or five bridesmaids. There is a mom, there's the 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.120 mom of the bride, mom of the groom, and sometimes 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.040 there's huge wedding parties. It's like thirteen people. Josh and 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.840 I were together in the makeup and wedding industry for 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.600 a minute, and yeah, I was like, shoot, if I 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:29.880 can even just book a wedding and then outsore as 0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:31.680 my sister to you know, do the faces and pay 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:33.760 her a portion of what I've made, that's just me 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:36.200 making money without having to even show up in that space. 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:36.840 That's the key. 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:39.560 Yeah, And that's why I ended up leaving retail as well. 0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.160 And I kept the retail job though, and it's important, 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:45.120 like you said to know your trade. I always wanted 0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:47.680 to learn, and being able to be a freelance makeup 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.760 artist working in the store with Matt Cosmetics gave me 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:52.880 the on the job training that I needed to always 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.120 be on trend and to be in the spaces to 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.479 meet people and to develop those relationships so I can say, hey, 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:00.440 oh my god, I'm helping you with the lip today. 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:01.280 What's this lipstick for. 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.640 I'm trying to find the perfect shade of lipstick for 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:05.840 my wedding day. Oh my goodness, your wedding day is 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:06.200 coming up? 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:08.200 When is it? Do you have a makeup artist? I 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:09.920 actually know I'm kind of in the market for one. 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:10.480 Cool. 0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.440 How about we do a trial real quick, see how 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:13.960 you like the makeup, and then we can chat. We 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.440 can chat. That's how I met so many of my clients. 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:18.920 And guess what, she has friends who are in that 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:20.920 same age group who are also getting married. So I 0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:24.680 got into some amazing friend groups of people where I 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.160 just was like that rotating makeup artists who did everyone's 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:27.960 makeup at some point. 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:30.600 I'm glad you brought that up because so many people 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:34.000 who are trying to get into entrepreneurship be like I'm 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:36.520 ready to just quit my job, and all of us 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.440 will say it, we started in our businesses, but kept 0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.000 our job while building our businesses. Yeah, I did the 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.880 same thing in TV film. I never just jumped out 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.400 of anything. When I was in football, I got cut 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.400 and I started doing training, but I kept training until 0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:53.120 I could make sure that my money was making enough 0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.320 for my family to survive before I went to something else. 0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:56.640 And I think people don't. 0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:57.800 Realize that that's a possibility. 0:32:57.920 --> 0:32:59.480 Like, yeah, you can work a nine to five and 0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.720 then when you do with five, hey, I'm gonna work 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.440 on my trade from six to nine. That's three hours, 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:06.160 and be like, how much money can you make? I'm 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:08.680 like three hours every day, seven days a week. It's 0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:10.920 twenty one hours. And if you say you work in 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.400 a trade where you can make one hundred dollars an hour, 0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:15.720 you're looking at twenty one hundred dollars you can make, 0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:17.760 oh for sure, in a week. And people's like, it's 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.840 not possible. It really is that possible. I've watched everybody 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.720 here earn enough money to live on their trade. You're 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:26.600 just trying to figure out how to continuously grow it. 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.440 You know, when did you leave your ninety five because 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:30.960 you were you were at Chase as well too. Yeah, 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.360 twenty twelve, When did you finally feel comfortable to say, 0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:35.200 you know what, I can actually let this twenty twelve? 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.480 After how many years that was? 0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:40.120 I was at Chase for about six years? 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:40.640 Okay? 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:41.200 Yeah? 0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:42.800 But one thing, one thing that you. 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:46.120 You mentioned and Devel sort of mentioned as well when 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.880 you said you were at the makeup makeup we call 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:53.160 it boot Matt maybe the counter there you go, And 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:56.200 how you actually got your clientele was actually being personable. 0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:58.400 And the same thing with school, right, you talked about 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:02.440 how has charisma helped him? But that personability that you 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:06.040 that you have to have with people where you aren't 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:11.200 necessarily coming across as you are seeking clientele, but you're 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:15.360 generally caring, is where things, yes, sort of can shift 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:17.840 for you. Right, Like I don't have to be the 0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.839 best at my task, but as long as I people 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.960 allow people to feel seen, absolutely right, that goes a 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:27.440 long way. I'm not the best photographer, and I know 0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.000 that I don't necessarily need to be the best photographer. 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:33.719 You just need to have people feel like they are 0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:34.799 being seen, right, I. 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.600 Think so subjective though what you're saying you're not, because 0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:38.880 I think many people will say. 0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.000 You are the best photographers. And that's fine for other 0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.239 people to say it, right, but there is no there's 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.719 no test, right, Like you can't say I know what 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:47.040 you mean. You know, I took this test and it 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.799 came up and said I'm I'm the number one. 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:54.360 I mean, if we're talking tests, the pictures you've took. 0:34:54.200 --> 0:35:00.640 Of me on my phone, it was a video, a video. 0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:02.520 Never get over that. 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.080 I don't care my target audience. 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:09.640 This is an example of. 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.160 What I'm trying to make is like there's that there's 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:18.120 that personal person ability that you have to have besides 0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:23.080 aiming to be the best, have that sort of uh 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:26.120 mindset that you actually care about how this person feels 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.080 about how they look. And that was my thing, Like 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:29.839 I can't how you can feel about how you look 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.000 in a picture more than me trying to be the 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.760 best photographer, because you might not necessarily need the best 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.399 uh pictures. You need to feel like you actually look 0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:42.920 like yourself or look better than you feel inside. To 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:44.799 a case point, like when she comes when people come 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:46.800 to the counter and she's like, well, what you're here for? 0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:48.759 Instead of saying, oh, let me just tell you this 0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:51.040 because this is what you need to sell in this season, 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:52.560 because this is what corporus pushing. 0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:53.640 Because I wouldn't know. 0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:58.200 You're selling them the experience of being with you as 0:35:58.200 --> 0:35:59.960 a partner. That's ultimately what you're selling. 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.759 You're selling the experience caring about what their goals are. 0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:04.359 If you're a personal trainer. 0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:05.000 It's the same thing. 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.880 I'm not caring, Like, I don't want to care so 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.520 much that you lost ten pounds in the next three 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:12.400 months and I got to put you on social media. No, 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:15.520 I care about how you feel about how you look 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:16.840 catered to that. 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:18.920 You know what I'm saying. The good ones, the good 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:19.400 ones do that. 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.800 Yeah, And that's what And the point is how to 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.560 how to excel in your field beyond the talent that 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:27.680 you have, right, and if you if you want to 0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:29.800 get out the Mud and you want to succeed that 0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:31.759 getting out the Mud, you got to care about the 0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:35.040 people that you're servicing that more more than your ultimate 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:37.879 clip it that that is a fact. 0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:40.480 Do you guys, would you hire a trainer who's out 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:40.839 of shape? 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:42.000 No? 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.560 No, I wouldn't know, Like, do you have to love the. 0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.239 Part of me from Matt? 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:50.480 Maybe if I was trying to be on the D 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:51.439 line or line. 0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:56.160 I'm listening to see what you're say, perspective, See what 0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:57.080 you're saying perspective. 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:58.719 You know, it's funny. I thought about that this morning. Right, 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.400 I could. I could if I were playing sports, I 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:04.080 could play for a coach that didn't play ball. Right, 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:06.160 you just got to understand the game. 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:08.919 You'll be able to explain the games. Yeah, that makes 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.359 me understand as well. You don't need to necessarily play. 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:16.040 You talking about aesthetics, I feel you got to be 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:17.640 able to do it with me because. 0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:18.759 There's a lot of people that are in shape and 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:22.560 can't even run. They have no running, can't do anything athletic. 0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:22.960 I think. 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:26.680 I think fitness is very very different because like, if 0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:28.200 I'm going to a trainer and I want to look 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:29.680 a certain way, I'm not going to go to the 0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:31.440 training that doesn't look the way I want to go. 0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:34.360 I'm going to go to the guy and say. 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.880 Yeah, I'm trying to look like you because I know 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:38.719 you doing it and I know it's possible if I 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:40.839 see you do it. So for me training the same 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:43.160 thing with a barber, I'm not going to a barber 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.440 that got a jacked up haircut bro Like. 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.040 It's like, wait a minute, if you don't take pride 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:48.080 in yourself, you can't take. 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:50.200 Is just not doing that. 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:51.880 It's funny you mentioned that too, because that had a 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:53.440 lot to do with it too. Even at MAC, at 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:56.560 my counter days, on the random shift, depending on the 0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:58.319 size of the store, it would be four to five 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:02.560 of us in rotation, all different different personalities, different makeup 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:05.040 aesthetic and you could see people walk through the door 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:08.240 and they kind of scan to see who they aspire 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.040 to look like or who looks like they did the 0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:12.000 bomb job on their makeup. I used to always go 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.600 the more natural rite. That was just my natural, my preference. 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:16.359 And the thing at MAC, I think back in the day. 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:17.759 Don't know if it's still a standard, but you had 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.600 to have at least thirteen products on your face, so 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:23.319 between like your lips, your foundation, your powder, it can 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:26.200 add up quickly. But in order to achieve that look, 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.440 you're essentially attracting a certain kind of clientele as well. 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:34.520 So sometimes before you see people like why she got 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.360 so much makeup on doing other people makeup? 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:38.480 But hearing that that, that's crazy. 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:39.680 Do you think of everyone? 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:44.600 It's easy for you to pull more clientele by having 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.719 the natural look, because the person that doesn't know every 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:52.040 day makeup, they automatically like, I want to put makeup on, 0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:53.320 but I don't want to look look. 0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:58.200 Like exactly exactly. And I used to sell. I used 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.520 to sell through the roof. I always want to in US. 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:04.160 Was was like insane and it was just like and 0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.440 I didn't even realize how good I was at it 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.920 until I would start just having again conversations and before 0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:11.239 you know it, they're like, all right, I'll take that, 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.480 and I'll take that, and I'll take that. And to me, 0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:15.239 everyone kept asking like, how do you do this? I 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.319 had to start doing classes on like how to raise 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:17.880 your A U S. 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:21.839 And I'm like, because you're personal communication skills. 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:22.960 Are like you don't realize. 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:26.640 I was listening to drug you go to people. She 0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:28.279 should have got today. 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.040 She got to be but she got it in life, 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:33.160 you know what I'm saying. But you are really good 0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:36.279 with communicating to people. A lot of people when you go, 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:38.000 like just for example, today, if you go to get 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:41.280 anybody buy anything from anywhere, it seems like the minute 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:42.839 you go to talk to someone, they just don't want 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:43.279 to talk to you. 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:45.480 So the simple fact that you look people in the 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.360 eye and say hello and good morning. They got you 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:48.080 got them already. 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:49.880 Because when I went to best Buy, I went the 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.279 best Boy to go get a TV eighty three and 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.480 TV them shits is expensive. You would think people are 0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:56.759 going to get commissioned. The would be excited. I said, hey, 0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:58.320 how much is that TV in the back. 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.120 You because I'm trying to buy a TV from. 0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:04.160 You, like trying to hide on my break. 0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:10.279 Like when you go to somebody who is supposed to 0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:12.400 also be an expert in your in their trade, you 0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:15.279 want to hear that, yes, like I want to learn 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:17.920 something from you before I even attempt to hire you 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:19.200 to do anything for me. 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:21.640 I want to hear how well versed you are in 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:25.240 your in your trade, you know. So that's important. 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.600 If I speak to you you feel like I'm a 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.360 burden to you and you're the expert. 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:32.680 Yeah, wrap, I'm not coming back to you. 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:35.000 And if I feel like that, I'm sure other people 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:37.160 feel like that. Absolutely So. I mean, if I have 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:39.680 to get any advice to anybody who really wants to 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:41.800 get out the mud like act like you care man. 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.319 That was gonna be my min or care nowhere else 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:50.440 genuinely care, genuinely care about what you care about what 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:50.879 you're doing. 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:53.560 No, that is important though, to care enough to get 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:55.960 paid for it, sure, because some people I don't never 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:57.719 get paid to do this. Where you didn't care enough 0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:00.359 to show anybody in value, that's why you don't get paid. 0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:03.080 Your product looks like you don't care, And there's gonna 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:05.799 be times where you're like so bogged down with work. 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.000 The only thing that's really pushing you through is getting 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.640 paid and caring about how like the final result, Like 0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:15.640 if you don't care, you you you're liable to like 0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:17.560 not continue and not move forward at all. 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:19.319 So let me ask a question to all of y'all, right, 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.200 because I know when you say this, people say no 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:24.719 one can do this. You've watched me work eighteen hours, right, 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.080 and I know what I was going through. What was 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.839 getting y'all through those times when it was like I'm 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:32.560 at work and I got this trade I'm trying to build, 0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:34.560 Like what was it that was just like, nah, I'm 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:35.480 keep going. 0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:37.920 Well for me, I dropped out of school to pursue photography, 0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:40.000 But I wasn't good at photography when I dropped out 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:41.520 of school, So I went to Walgreens. I had a 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.799 job at a hotel doing av work. I was playing 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:46.759 drums at church. I was doing everything to make money 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:50.560 while still learning photography. So I had to keep on pushing, pushing. 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:52.440 I know the end goal, but I'm not there yet, 0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:55.680 so I wanted to get there, and a lot is riding. 0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:55.919 On the line. 0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:59.799 So master you wanted to learn mastery? Yeah, that's from 0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:03.239 that was similar to exercise physiology. I went from playing 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:05.600 in the league to making ten dollars an hour working 0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:07.520 at Parisi Speed School because I wanted to learn, but 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:09.400 they were going to pay for my National Academy of 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.279 Sports Medicine certificate and. 0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:12.759 For me to go back to school. So I dealt 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:12.960 with it. 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:15.080 But it was hard though bro Like it was times. 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.080 I was like Man's but it was caring about the 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:20.200 fact that I really wanted to help kids get faster 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:21.320 so that they can get to college. 0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:22.480 I saw something. 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:24.279 I said, Yo, there's a niche here if I can 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:27.080 get them forty times down at the national average at 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:30.160 that point for kids in Brooklyn for the forty was 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.359 something like four to nine. It was something terrible because 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:34.759 most of the football kids didn't run track, so when 0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:36.879 they went to camps. 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.120 In the local Tri State area, most of the city 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:39.920 kids were struggling. 0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:41.960 This was in twenty ten, and I was like, if 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:43.440 we can get the four to nine down to like 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.479 four to six, we have a lot more kids going 0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:47.280 to college. 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:49.399 So I wanted to learn the mastery of the forty 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:50.000 yard dash. 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:52.120 And because I cared so much about the mastery and 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:55.040 I learned it, I was getting kids forty times down. 0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:58.719 And then that's how word spread. That's another thing finding a. 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:00.960 Niche than and being so broad. 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.120 If you have a trade, you can't just say I'm 0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:05.719 a barber. You know what I'm saying. 0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.640 What are you specialize in? Special pushing back care lines? 0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:13.200 You're trying to find them. That's a niche. Bro It 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:16.319 is a niche. Your niche was wedding photography. 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:17.880 Right, and I was gonna say mine was make up 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:21.000 with weddings. In addition to that, when you're in a trade, 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:24.799 depending on what your trade is, trade is is there 0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:28.120 an ecosystem that you can exist within, Because for us 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.880 it was weddings. So connecting with photographers who did weddings, 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:35.560 connecting with wedding planners, connecting with dress designers, connecting with 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.759 hair stylists, you are literally in ecosystem where people are 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:43.759 constantly getting inquiries or referrals. So it's like, hey, I 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.640 know this makeup artist, so if I do a good 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.480 job with this gig, it's almost like you're auditioning for 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:49.040 the next game. 0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:53.239 You build the community auditioning. Literally every time you work 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:55.520 for the next one, you already got the person there. 0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.239 And that's one thing that people don't realize. I know 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.279 we jump in all over the place, but a lot 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.880 of people when they're looking at where they want to be, 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:07.360 they're focused on only where they want to be and 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:10.640 not what's the task at hand. How many times people 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:12.279 come to me and like, man I wish I could 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:16.120 do that, Like Yo, how did you get to do that? 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.239 But you focus on that and that that might be 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:23.680 you might not get to what that is you got to. 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.960 You gotta seriously think about what you're actively doing now 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.400 and treat what you're doing now like now is that 0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.879 so that when you get something else that becomes you're 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:36.400 like you're now Everything that you do now needs to 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.960 get your your one hundred attention. A lot of people 0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:41.440 focus on, man I really want to get into If 0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:43.239 they say I want to get into doing like one 0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:45.719 hundred thousand dollars weddings. I really want to do that. Bro, 0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:49.360 you got to shoot the one hundred the ten k weddings, 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.120 and you got to shoot ten k weddings like they 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:54.200 hundred k weddings, and you got to get to the 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:56.960 thirty k weddings, and you got shoot the thirty k 0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.480 weddings like they hundred k weddings. That's the only way 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:02.000 you're gonna get because if you sit in and focus 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.560 on man, I really can't the weddings that I have now, 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.120 or are things that I do now, it's not like that. 0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:08.759 You'll never get there. 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:13.080 Yeah, that's that was my mindset because when I started podcasting, 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:15.880 I really wanted to be an on air producer on 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:19.560 the radio. And so I started producing my own podcast, 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:22.279 and I started producing podcasts for other people, and I 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:24.000 was doing this for free. I was getting paid. I 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:26.000 had a full time job. I was staying up all 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:29.680 night to edit my podcast. I was going all over 0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:32.360 the city to interview people. I was doing live shows, 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:35.480 I was hosting live events, and I was doing all 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.840 of that as if you know, I was already a 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:42.840 professional broadcaster and because of that. Then I started getting 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.840 invited on the radio to be a monthly contributor. And 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.320 then once they had a position open, they invited me 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:52.799 to apply for the position. But it took me four 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:57.080 years to get there. But it was like, and I 0:45:57.239 --> 0:45:59.879 was getting paid for little like hosting gigs here and there. 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:01.920 People would start inviting me because they knew that I 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:04.840 was a podcast host and I had started doing comedy, 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.640 so then people would start inviting me to host things. 0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:09.800 And you know, I would get paid little by little 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:13.360 here and there, but for the radio, the monthly contribution spot, 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.440 if I was doing it for free. I was riding 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.880 my bike like ten miles to the radio station to 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:21.480 be on the radio for thirty minutes, you know, and 0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:25.080 getting to know the director, getting to know the morning host, 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:27.080 getting to know you know, the people that work at 0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:27.439 the station. 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:29.040 Yeah, you just get the steps. 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:29.520 Yeah. 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:30.400 And that's the thing. 0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:32.279 People say, they want to do what you want to 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:33.680 do until you tell them what you had. 0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:36.520 I ain't doing all of that. 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:38.600 That happens to us all the time. People always want 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:39.840 to know because you know, it's easy to listen to 0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:41.680 de Valeni. Now we were talking about this last night. 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.480 We're twenty four years in so Devalancatin you here now 0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.359 if you go back to season one, completely different people. Right, 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:49.719 We've learned so much over the time, but when we 0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:52.000 tell people the things that we've had to do to 0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:53.280 make it to this point. 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:53.760 It's daunting. 0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:55.960 Yeah, they're like, I'm not doing all that. 0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:58.080 Like I was just talking to even my sister about 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.040 like the first five years of our marriage where we 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.640 literally were struggling with everything and we had to sacrifice 0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:05.640 so many things that we weren't going on trips, we 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:09.040 weren't buying anything. It was just basic, bare minimum stuff. 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:11.239 And then it's just like she'll look at me, like, 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:13.799 we gotta do that for how long? I'm like, yeah, 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:15.240 that's kind of how it works. 0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:15.560 You know. 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:17.879 If you want to have that autonomy over your time, 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.200 which I think is probably the thing that we all 0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:22.920 have in common with our trades, is you want to 0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:25.040 be able to develop a trade that is able to 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:28.279 sustain your lifestyle to give you autonomy over time. That's 0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:30.560 what Deval and I wanted from the very very beginning 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:32.640 because we knew we always wanted to be parents, we 0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:35.360 wanted to be active parents, and we're also artists, Like 0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:36.960 we can't do the things that we want to do 0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:40.040 if our livelihood is not sustained, so we can do 0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:44.080 the things we want to do. So it requires lots 0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:46.800 of steps to get to where you want to be. 0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:48.879 People need to understand it's called out the mud because 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:52.920 it's dirty work. It's not glamorous work. So I had 0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:55.200 a little bit of debate. We were talking about this 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:56.960 a couple of years ago, and I said that we 0:47:57.040 --> 0:48:00.440 had sacrificed for five years working eighteen hours, no trips, 0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:02.560 and dude put on theres like, ain't nobody doing all 0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:05.839 of that? I said that that mentality is the reason 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:09.279 why you never wait exactly where you are stagnant in life, 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:13.000 because you're not willing to challenge yourself and take sacrifices 0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:15.480 to make the leap. You can say you want that, 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.759 but if everybody could get that easily, everybody will. 0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:21.720 Anybody think that the opportunity is a lottery as opposed 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:29.440 to there's a tack that people might like, you need 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:33.840 grit like more than anything else, even in corporate like 0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:39.719 even climbing that corporate ladder. It takes grit and all 0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:41.040 disciplin get places. 0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:42.000 For me. 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:43.759 There's two there's two type of people. There's people that 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:45.680 are complacent and they just want to collect the check 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:49.320 and that's okay. But if you have aspirations to be 0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.680 anything bigger than what you currently are in a given moment, 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.440 it's gonna take grit and it's not gonna happen tomorrow. 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:59.160 It's I mean, there's there's a few people that hit 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.760 the lottery and they discovered and like the whole world changes, 0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:05.400 Keith Lee might pop up in your restaurant and everything changes. 0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:08.759 But those those opportunities feel farm between you because the 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:12.040 reality is the grit that you that that takes you 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:16.000 from point A to Z teaches you so much like 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:18.960 that becomes invaluable then even like the lottery might not 0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:21.960 like the lottery might not even be sustainable because when 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.920 I've learned a lottery, what I learned from A to 0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:27.400 Z you can't get no school. Is teaching me that 0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:30.400 the client relations that I've had to keep, the relations 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:34.760 that I met like that. I've had so many pictures 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:37.839 of people that I've taken that I cannot show, right, 0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.000 I love. I love that for myself because it's n 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:43.960 d a's and people pay for n d as. There's 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:46.160 people who who come to my student and be like, hey, 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:47.840 I don't want this on social media just because this 0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:49.760 is not my thing. I just want to preserve my memories. 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.720 And I'm okay with that because I earned my checks 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:55.879 not based off what I show online, but I earned 0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:59.040 my checks because of my grit and what I've done 0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:00.640 from A to Z. You know what I'm saying that 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:03.080 people don't understand. They just think like I could just 0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:06.000 you know, I'm away, Like you said the dudes like, 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:08.480 ain't nobody doing all that? If you ain't doing all that, 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:11.200 you might hit the lottery one day. But I promise 0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:12.680 you the game is rigged. 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:12.839 Man. 0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:14.600 You got to go through A to Z. Yeah, you 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:15.160 got to work there. 0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:15.920 Yeah, now that we know. 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:19.200 So as we wrap up the conversation, now that we 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:23.000 know about trades, what do you think about, for example, 0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.560 our children future children. Are you going to encourage them 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:27.879 to do the four year college or if they say, mom, dad, 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:29.960 I want to take up this trade. What are we 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:32.680 going to start to kind of encourage our children to do. 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:35.520 As we look to the future, now that so many 0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:39.200 jobs are going to become obsolete due to AI changes 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:43.239 in you know, technology, is it better off to kind 0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:45.600 of encourage the next generation to pick up a trade 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:47.560 versus like just going to a four year college. 0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:50.840 I'll say this, I'm not going to prepare my sons 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:53.680 for the way life is now because it won't be 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:57.840 like this for them. I'm going to support them in 0:50:57.920 --> 0:50:59.759 the change that the world's going through. But I also 0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:03.319 have a different, greater sense of purpose. We've worked our 0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:06.000 tails off to ensure that our children don't have to 0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:08.000 wake up every day thinking about how they're going to 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.520 earn revenue to live, you know what I'm saying. So, 0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:12.680 because that is not how they're going to have to 0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:15.640 see the world, they don't have to think about trades 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:17.480 in that way. I want them to think about what 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.759 they want their life purpose to me, what they want 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.000 to do to better humanity, and whatever they want to 0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:24.080 do to better humanity. I want them to find a 0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:28.520 way to utilize their resources to do that, you know, exponentially. 0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:30.640 I don't know what that means career wise. I don't 0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:32.600 know if that's philanthropy work, I don't know if it's art. 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:34.960 But I just I just don't know how to prepare 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:36.880 them to be like you gotta work like But if 0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:38.920 they don't want to work Let's say, for example, CODA 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:42.880 graduates fifteen years from now, we'll worth three hundred and 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.759 fifty million dollars. I'm gonna tell my eighteen year old them, 0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:47.439 you got to go to college, get a job, because 0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:48.240 you won't be able. 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:48.719 To approach yourself. 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:50.880 He gonna look at me like that, you're rich, So 0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:52.919 I want to give them a different sense of rich. 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:55.680 You're not rich, So what are you gonna do? 0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:55.960 No? 0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:57.359 But here's here's the truth. 0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:59.960 Though all of us grew up with a scarcity mind 0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:03.320 mindset because our parents weren't able to give us that 0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:04.920 autonomy over our lives. 0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:07.120 I don't want ustlings to have to go through that, 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:08.080 you know what I'm saying. 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:11.239 I watched my white counterparts who I went to college with, 0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:14.320 who parents always had money, and they were in college 0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:17.120 because they wanted to, not because it was a force 0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:18.920 on them. And I think for a lot of us 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:21.000 as black parents, is like, you force your kids to 0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:22.400 go to school because. 0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:24.080 You got to help me. You know, you got to help, 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.040 You got to provide, you got to be a contributor 0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:26.720 to this family. 0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:28.440 And it's like, I don't want my kids to grow 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:30.880 up feeling that way of if I don't contribute. 0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:31.480 I'm a failure. 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:34.520 It's also the accolades that come with going to college. 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:36.719 Right. Jackson asked me the other day, he was like, Mom, 0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:38.520 how would you feel if like I didn't want to 0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:40.120 go to college and I just wanted to go like 0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:42.440 straight to the NBA or whatever or the NFL. Him 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.680 and Cairo and the three of us were talking, and 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.200 I said, and then Cairo looks at Jackson and he 0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:49.120 was like, you know, Mom's gonna want to go to 0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:51.839 us to go to college. And I was like, okay, 0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:53.640 college will be nice, but let's be for real. Why 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:54.560 do we go to college? 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:57.520 And they're like, so that you can learn to get 0:52:57.560 --> 0:52:58.520 a job. I say, exactly. 0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:00.759 So if you're graduating from high school with a built 0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:03.800 in job already, that's going to make you multimillion dollars, 0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:06.839 and that's the opportunity that you have in that moment. 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:08.960 Why would I tell you not to take that opportunity? 0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:12.200 Because essentially you can make multimillion dollars, do the right 0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:14.759 things with your money, invest in start businesses. That way, 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:17.720 you can sustain your life that when you're done playing sports, 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:21.120 because it's a short span of life, you'll then already 0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:22.760 have businesses and investments. 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.760 And you can then go get your degree to college. 0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:26.719 Yeah, you can then decide which is what's going to 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:29.200 be next for that next portion of life. But I 0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:31.800 think the mindset is because somebody had popped up I 0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:33.600 think on Jackson's feed and was like his mom was 0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:35.920 like some player and was like his mom was like, no, 0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:38.799 he can't go to the NFL right away or whatever 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:39.919 or NBA right away. 0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:41.920 He has to go to college first. And that was 0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:42.319 the debate. 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:44.760 I don't want to condition my kids to be workers. 0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:45.919 I just don't. 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:49.000 I watched the generation before us do that and now 0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:51.759 they're in their late sixties trying to figure out how 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:53.840 they retire. And then the game is always rigged to 0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:56.160 where you have to retire later and later. So what 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:58.520 I'm gonna tell my kids you retired when you eighty five? 0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:00.759 You know, like, no, I'm not doing that to them. 0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:02.759 I'm going to figure out what your purpose is, son, 0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:05.160 and we can help you figure out a trade or 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:07.440 something around it to where you can earn if you 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:08.960 need to earn. But I'm not just going to be 0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:10.800 throwing it on them like you gotta go got it. 0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:11.719 No, I'm not doing that. 0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:12.799 I think your education is key. 0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:15.160 As long as you're teaching them that they that they 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:17.319 have to keep learning no matter what, no matter where 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:18.719 they are in life, they'll be all right. 0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:20.600 I agree, I agree. 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:24.160 I agree with that too. I see I saw a 0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:32.160 instagram real of Von Miller. He owns uh some farms, I. 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:35.000 Believe the Miller defensive end. 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:40.239 Yeah, he owns chicken farms, and he learned about he 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:42.960 took a class in college. Took a class in college, 0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:46.239 and now football might be his sort of like side thing. 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:49.640 He's making so much money from that chicken chicken farm 0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:53.360 that you know football, which you think football will probably 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:56.320 be the primary thing that he earns money from. And 0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:59.120 I looked at that and I thought, for me personally, 0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:01.640 you know, when when my daughter gets to the age of, 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:04.000 you know, considering college, it is an option for her 0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:06.919 that is not something that I think I can force 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:11.359 on her because I didn't necessarily need college for my trade. Right. 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:14.160 College was a great thing to help me make connections, 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:16.880 and a lot of connections that I've made in college 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:21.200 definitely sustained me from my positioning after school, which was great, 0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:23.040 but it wasn't something that I needed. I was I 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:26.240 went to school for electrical engineer. I got my degree. 0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:30.040 I never worked a day as an edgucal engineer, but 0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:31.880 a lot of things that I learned there, you know, 0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:35.319 outside of my degree, really helps me still to this day. 0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:37.080 Project management skills. 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:39.160 Understanding, like even just time management. 0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:42.400 Yeah I left. I mean if I did not go 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:46.480 to college, I don't think I survived as a business 0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:50.560 owner like period at all. And I still didn't do 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:52.560 anything that I did in school, like I needed to 0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:54.880 be able to be on my own. I needed to 0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:57.560 be able to manage the task at hand, because you 0:55:57.600 --> 0:55:59.479 don't get that in high school. You still got people 0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:01.799 on you, tell you what you mom's got to wake 0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:04.200 you up, and all this other stuff. So I say 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:07.799 all that to say, looking at the things that von 0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:10.920 Miller learned and how that set him him up in 0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:16.160 the future, even beyond football, I think I can't knock 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:19.520 and say college is not for everybody, or college everybody 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:21.800 needs to go to college. I think there's opportunity that 0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:24.520 you can pick and choose from throughout your life that 0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:26.600 might benefit you in every facet. 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.680 That you go. We need to do a full path, 0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:33.120 a full pod on the college is you know, like, 0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:35.400 we need to do a full pod college. 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:37.279 Is it's necessary, Yeah, because I think that I know 0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:40.080 so many people with various stories where they went to 0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:42.399 college and then now they're doing random things. 0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:43.239 But then there's the. 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:45.319 Reasons that I dropped out though, because I was going 0:56:45.360 --> 0:56:47.880 to college with computer science, and when I got to 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:50.640 my I think fourth or fifty as I might, I'm 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:52.480 not going to use this. I don't want to use this. 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.480 But I learned a lot on how to operate in college, 0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:57.200 how to talk to people, how to do different things. 0:56:57.440 --> 0:57:00.359 As Josh was just saying, I know I was gonna 0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:01.719 use that. I'm not going to keep paying money and 0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:02.600 going more debt. 0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:03.440 I gonna lie. 0:57:03.719 --> 0:57:06.440 That's how we we talked about this last week. I 0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:09.400 was like, hey, you realize we treated college like the 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:13.360 game of life. We had our own apartments on college, 0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:17.480 we moved in together. I was making money from playing football. 0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:19.800 I had my sixteen hundred dollars for my meal points. 0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:23.760 She had her stipend from our and we balanced our 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:26.320 budgets and we we went shopping. 0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:28.840 It was like we learned how to be a family, 0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:29.680 the two of us. 0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:32.560 While in college together, because we utilized our resources to 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:34.760 get through she didn't have to pay for books because 0:57:34.800 --> 0:57:36.680 I took the same classes she good, so I can 0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:38.800 get my books paid for so that she didn't have 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:40.120 to pay for it. And then we used the extra 0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:41.880 money to get food and we did things like that. 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:44.720 It was like college was more than just classes for us. 0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:49.400 College was like practicing life. Yes, when it states and 0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:51.160 you got people around, you know what I'm. 0:57:51.000 --> 0:57:54.400 Saying, when you're in high school going to college, a 0:57:54.440 --> 0:57:56.600 lot of people going to college. I'm pay for college first, 0:57:58.960 --> 0:57:59.520 what is happening? 0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:02.160 Prepare to get out of the college experience? That can 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:03.720 also be That would. 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:05.120 Be a great conversation for that. 0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:09.240 That's a really good conversation. Most of us don't get 0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:10.800 what we thought we were going to get out of 0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:14.280 out of that getting a bachelor's degree. I would say college. 0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:16.240 The most it did for me is it taught me 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:18.560 how to get a job. You know, I will never 0:58:18.640 --> 0:58:20.880 be without a job because I learned the soft skills 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:22.520 and how to write a resume and how to be 0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:25.760 impressive in an interview and how to like you know, 0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:28.720 make myself look good on paper, and how. 0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:31.480 To catch that's important. 0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:34.960 Yeah, but college landed me a husband, Honey, Instagram told. 0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:40.000 You how look nice, I said, Instagram told you how 0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:40.760 to look good at reels? 0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:44.000 Oh yeah, you know, I do what I can. 0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:47.480 I really want to do this full thing on podcasts 0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:52.320 on college college, because now that I have I'm wondering, like, 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:55.600 even if you don't want to do nothing, you still 0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:56.320 going to college. 0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:59.880 You need to meet some experience, experienced different walks of life. 0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:01.080 But Dad, I don't want to. 0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:01.440 I don't care. 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:02.920 Those people could be a client going not. 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:05.880 For THEGI going into anybody's room in the middle of 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:06.440 the night. Peen and. 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:09.280 My sons. 0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:10.160 Where are you at now? 0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:12.720 The discipline I used to have to maintain grades. This 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:13.160 is my thing. 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:15.920 If you're going to college, I will pay for your 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:18.120 college degree. You don't even got to get a scholarship, 0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:19.800 but them J G. Pig got to be above three 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:20.200 point five. 0:59:20.560 --> 0:59:21.760 You don't get that scholarship now. 0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:24.360 For no reason. 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:26.680 Were you taking the money off of your taking a trade? 0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:29.000 That's what I did. I was I was bsing. I 0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:31.360 ended up going down to community college, took less classes. 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:32.600 That's ended up in the fifth year. 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:38.320 Yeah, that is out the mond. 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:40.240 Took less classes so I could go to work. But 0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:41.680 I still had both and was juggling. 0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:44.080 That's but that's that's fine though. 0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:46.520 Yeah, he just asked me. He was like, you dropped 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:47.280 on your fifth years. 0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:49.200 To me, I dropped out of my fourth and fifty. 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:51.720 I said the same thing. To I said, maybe even fourth, 0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:52.920 fifth semester for. 0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:56.400 Every year because I started taking school. 0:59:56.720 --> 0:59:59.640 How much? How much credit you got left to graduate? 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:03.840 Like six? No more than that. 1:00:04.560 --> 1:00:07.080 I went from a regular four years school, took community college. 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:09.720 So then I took and then I started taking less 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:09.960 of that. 1:00:10.240 --> 1:00:13.200 The next episode, mat is transcript got to see this ship. 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:14.800 We need to know. 1:00:15.000 --> 1:00:17.600 I'll show you my W two and stuff I come 1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:19.560 from that. Yeah, tell them I don't need that ship 1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:20.680 from my company. 1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:21.080 I'm good. 1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:23.200 Well, whatever your trade is, make sure you can pay 1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:24.600 some bills, because we have some bills. 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:26.800 Let's take a quick break and then we're going to 1:00:26.880 --> 1:00:29.280 be back with our Listener Letter episode of the day. 1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:47.680 So stick around, beat our beat. Hey'all, we're back with 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:50.680 our listener letter episode. Well, our listener Letter of the day, 1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:52.520 rather the listener episode is coming up. 1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:55.200 Hey guys. I absolutely love the podcast and I'm. 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:58.000 Such a fan of the new addition with Triple Matt 1:00:58.040 --> 1:01:00.400 and josh I need some advice about money man management. 1:01:00.520 --> 1:01:02.760 I actually wrote in before about feeling like my life 1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:05.480 was ending. At twenty five, I went to school for 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:07.760 broadcast journalism, thinking I was going to be the next 1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:13.120 big thing on Channel twelve news. Then COVID happened Channel 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:16.160 twelve so long, I definitely interned a News twelve on island. 1:01:17.800 --> 1:01:19.720 Definitely tell you what happened to be a new swellng N. 1:01:20.600 --> 1:01:22.520 I'll tell you last time, all right. 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:23.560 Uh. 1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:24.560 Then COVID happened. 1:01:24.680 --> 1:01:28.320 Life did a complete three sixty or one eight maybe, 1:01:28.720 --> 1:01:31.600 and I ended up going back to school for ultrasound. 1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:35.440 Well now twenty seven a recent graduate and officially a 1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:39.880 full time ultrasound technician who cue the hand collaps. This 1:01:40.040 --> 1:01:42.400 is the most money I've ever made in my life, 1:01:42.480 --> 1:01:44.960 and honestly, I have no idea where to start when 1:01:45.000 --> 1:01:46.560 it comes to being smart with it. 1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:49.720 There's so much information out there that I'm overwhelmed. 1:01:49.720 --> 1:01:52.240 I don't know who to trust or what advice is 1:01:52.360 --> 1:01:54.800 actually right. I also don't come from a family that's 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:57.080 great with money. I'm in a very I am very 1:01:57.320 --> 1:01:59.680 in a very grateful and humbling position to still live 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.520 at home, which allows me to save but I'm creeping 1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:04.600 up on thirty, and despite being raised in New York 1:02:04.640 --> 1:02:08.320 and watching everyone else survive, it feels like an ultra. 1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:11.680 It feels like an unreasonable thought to think I can 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:15.160 afford to live here on my own. The reality is 1:02:15.720 --> 1:02:18.440 I have about seventy K in student loans and fifteen 1:02:18.520 --> 1:02:22.200 k in credit card debt. Moving out right now feels most. 1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:24.200 Ba sorry. 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:27.040 Moving out right now feels almost non existent as an option. 1:02:27.560 --> 1:02:30.080 I don't want to leave just to struggle harder. I 1:02:30.200 --> 1:02:33.320 hear everyone saying Max ouder Roth, Ira, save for a home, 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:33.840 start a. 1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:35.959 Business, invest in ETFs. 1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:40.080 I have ten different saving accounts or my favorite one 1:02:40.200 --> 1:02:42.280 is by a duplex and rent out the other side. 1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:44.320 We thought about that when we came home from school. 1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:48.520 I'm over here trying to find a rent stabilized apartment 1:02:48.560 --> 1:02:50.200 for twenty five hundred dollars a month. 1:02:50.640 --> 1:02:51.520 Insane, isn't it? 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:54.560 It makes you think that I have one hundred and 1:02:54.600 --> 1:02:57.760 sixty k down payment to just drop on a duplex. 1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:00.000 As you can see, it's a lot. I was raised 1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:04.520 by baby boomers who whose main advice is just work harder. 1:03:04.920 --> 1:03:07.400 I'm working hard. I don't have kids, but life still 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:11.760 feels expensive. I plan to stay home until twenty nine thirty, 1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:15.000 pay off debt, save, and still enjoy my life a little. 1:03:15.120 --> 1:03:17.880 But how do I do that strategically? How do I 1:03:17.960 --> 1:03:20.920 avoid just paying bills to move out just to pay 1:03:20.960 --> 1:03:23.640 more bills? I don't want to live paycheck to paycheck? 1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:25.720 How do I make my money work for me? Do 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:28.840 I hire a CPA, a financial advisor? If you were 1:03:28.880 --> 1:03:33.280 in my position, first generation high earner, no financial blueprint, 1:03:33.400 --> 1:03:37.160 no family examples of wealth building or comfortable retirement, what 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:39.960 would you do? And I just want to say, I'm 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:42.280 one hundred percent grateful for my family. They did the 1:03:42.360 --> 1:03:44.280 best that they could with the information they had. I'm 1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:47.040 the first woman in my bloodline who gives, who gets 1:03:47.080 --> 1:03:50.440 to live life for herself, not tied down by children 1:03:50.560 --> 1:03:53.720 or a husband yet. And I'm deeply grateful to the 1:03:53.800 --> 1:03:56.360 women before me who sacrificed so I could even have 1:03:56.560 --> 1:03:59.560 this choice. So in closing, what should a girl do? 1:04:00.400 --> 1:04:02.880 I don't want to make the wrong moves? Sincerely, a 1:04:02.960 --> 1:04:05.960 girl who should probably call JG Wentworth. 1:04:06.720 --> 1:04:07.600 Seven cash Now. 1:04:09.160 --> 1:04:12.400 That was my aspro's way. 1:04:12.280 --> 1:04:16.560 Too much to you. Oh my god, cash, Now that's 1:04:16.600 --> 1:04:17.560 funny that you put that in there. 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:18.960 I love that I love. 1:04:19.400 --> 1:04:20.080 This is the first thing. 1:04:20.200 --> 1:04:22.320 Don't move outreat letter, Yeah, don't move out. 1:04:22.400 --> 1:04:24.280 The first thing is if you have seventy thousand dollars 1:04:24.320 --> 1:04:26.800 in student debt and fifteen thousand dollars in credit card debt, 1:04:27.040 --> 1:04:28.800 pay off your debt before you move anywhere. 1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:30.840 There's no reason to move out if you have debt, 1:04:31.440 --> 1:04:32.120 that's number one. 1:04:32.520 --> 1:04:35.880 Number two, if you have a friend or someone that 1:04:36.040 --> 1:04:38.600 you love, or someone that you can trust, don't go 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:40.640 out there and try to pay all this rent by yourself. 1:04:41.120 --> 1:04:45.400 The easiest way to make it in life is group economics. 1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:48.240 Nobody wants to hear this, but it is difficult to 1:04:48.320 --> 1:04:50.600 make it on your own, even if you're a high earner. 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:54.040 They're saying now in twenty twenty six, in order to 1:04:54.120 --> 1:04:57.040 make what our parents made in the nineties, like six figures, 1:04:57.080 --> 1:04:58.120 you would have to make over a. 1:04:58.200 --> 1:05:02.320 Quarter million dollars. That means living in New York, living 1:05:02.360 --> 1:05:02.800 in New York. 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:05.000 If you make two hundred and fifty thousand dollars living 1:05:05.000 --> 1:05:07.600 in New York, you're living practically paycheck to paycheck. 1:05:08.160 --> 1:05:11.080 Even if you're considered a high earner, you're still not 1:05:11.200 --> 1:05:12.800 earning high enough to live on your own. 1:05:12.920 --> 1:05:14.680 So we have to get out of our mindsets that 1:05:14.760 --> 1:05:16.920 we could just get a job out of college, run 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:19.320 to pay rent, and just build a life. It's impossible 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:22.400 get with some people who think like you. The only 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:24.440 way I've been able to make anything happen in my 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:26.840 life is all because of group economics. I will not 1:05:26.960 --> 1:05:29.800 sit here and say it was me by myself. When 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.120 I just got out of the league, I roommate with 1:05:32.880 --> 1:05:34.600 my wife who was my girlfriend at the time, my 1:05:34.720 --> 1:05:38.000 fiance Sharif, his girlfriend, and my brother Brian. 1:05:38.080 --> 1:05:40.720 They were five of us paying two thousand dollars a 1:05:40.800 --> 1:05:41.240 month rent. 1:05:41.280 --> 1:05:43.000 We split that for two years. 1:05:43.600 --> 1:05:45.720 It was four hundred dollars a piece per person, and 1:05:45.760 --> 1:05:48.160 that allowed me to save so that when Sharif and 1:05:48.600 --> 1:05:50.760 his girlfriend moved out, it was me, you and Brian. 1:05:51.600 --> 1:05:54.360 Then when Brian moved out, I had enough money saved. 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:55.160 It was me and Kay. 1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:58.000 Then Kay didn't have to work because I had enough money, 1:05:58.080 --> 1:05:59.520 everything saved. It was on my own. 1:05:59.600 --> 1:06:03.880 Then that was six years after I retired from the NFL. Yeah, 1:06:04.160 --> 1:06:06.600 and I say that because people think it's gonna happen instantly. 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:09.240 It's just not. You gotta utilize group economics. 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:10.000 You have to save. 1:06:10.360 --> 1:06:12.120 You have to get rid of all the fat. First, 1:06:12.400 --> 1:06:14.680 get rid of all of your expenses i'm not expenses, 1:06:14.680 --> 1:06:17.080 all of your debt, and then you can start moving forward. 1:06:17.320 --> 1:06:19.720 I think that's great advice. Listen to that. Wonna crunch 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:21.120 some numbers real quick and tell you what to do 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:23.520 with it to get about the mud. So I think 1:06:23.560 --> 1:06:24.360 that's great advice. 1:06:24.600 --> 1:06:25.640 That's that s for me. 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:27.200 That would be the birth the first thing for her. 1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:28.760 And try to at least get to a point where 1:06:28.760 --> 1:06:31.000 you're saving money consistently every month. 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:32.600 See if you can save if she's a high earner. 1:06:32.800 --> 1:06:34.680 If you get the point where you saving fifteen hundred 1:06:34.720 --> 1:06:37.320 to two thousand a month because you don't have rent 1:06:37.400 --> 1:06:39.600 or you have a roommate. Now you're looking at around 1:06:39.680 --> 1:06:42.120 twenty five K a year, and you say put yourself 1:06:42.160 --> 1:06:43.720 on a five year plan, which is what I did 1:06:43.800 --> 1:06:45.600 with K. I didn't tell K we were going to 1:06:45.640 --> 1:06:47.840 be rich tomorrow. I say, you'll give me five years. 1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:50.280 Twenty five K over five years is one hundred and 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:53.560 twenty five thousand. You put twenty percent on a six 1:06:53.680 --> 1:06:55.560 hundred thousand dollars house, that's one hundred and twenty k. 1:06:56.160 --> 1:06:58.160 You can buy a property, and once you own that property, 1:06:58.240 --> 1:07:00.880 now you can start building wealth. Give yourself a five 1:07:00.960 --> 1:07:03.200 year plan, ma see if you can be disciplined for 1:07:03.240 --> 1:07:05.800 those five years and start your life, then. 1:07:06.160 --> 1:07:06.560 There you go. 1:07:07.320 --> 1:07:09.040 All right, y'all. If you want to be featured as 1:07:09.080 --> 1:07:11.800 a listener letter on a future episode, please be sure 1:07:11.880 --> 1:07:15.440 to email us at the Ellis Advice at gmail dot com. 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:18.000 That's t H E E L L I S A 1:07:18.120 --> 1:07:20.760 d V I C E at gmail dot com. 1:07:21.000 --> 1:07:23.640 All right, moment of truth. We're talking today getting out 1:07:23.760 --> 1:07:26.720 of the mud. What's your takeaway, babe? 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:29.360 Oh mother, this is a lot that My biggest thing 1:07:29.400 --> 1:07:31.200 would be is that it's called the mud for a reason. 1:07:32.040 --> 1:07:34.880 Stop expecting it to be glamorous. It's dirty work. It 1:07:35.000 --> 1:07:37.480 takes time, but if you get it out the mud, 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:39.400 you can carry it a way longer. 1:07:39.200 --> 1:07:40.320 Than if someone just gives it to you. 1:07:41.800 --> 1:07:44.400 Trips, Josh mat put some care and effort in. 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:45.000 What do you do? 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:46.400 All right? 1:07:47.080 --> 1:07:50.320 Like a period, let's change them, let's hear them. 1:07:50.720 --> 1:07:57.680 Grit, personability, uh, and it's not a lottery. I think 1:07:57.760 --> 1:08:02.560 those three things a key to success with getting it 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:03.120 out of the mutt. 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:04.240 Dope. 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:09.320 In the words of Angela Davis. Freedom is a constant struggle. 1:08:10.280 --> 1:08:13.040 Even when you get to where you're going, you might 1:08:13.160 --> 1:08:16.120 have somewhere else to be, So keep grinding. 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:21.200 As a fact. Wow nice, Yeah, Yeah, I think mine is. 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:25.519 It's cliche for a reason that it takes ten years 1:08:25.800 --> 1:08:28.519 for an overnight success, and I think that rings true 1:08:28.600 --> 1:08:31.559 with anything. So if you do pick up a trade, 1:08:31.680 --> 1:08:34.080 just know that it's going to require a certain level 1:08:34.120 --> 1:08:37.120 of commitment and work to be an actual expert and 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:40.200 master in your field and craft, and that coupled with 1:08:40.600 --> 1:08:43.800 personality and just the genuine care for whatever it is 1:08:43.840 --> 1:08:46.080 that you're doing with other people and their experience. 1:08:46.120 --> 1:08:47.960 So what that will look like, that's going to be 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:51.679 the recipe for success for you. 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