WEBVTT - Ep. 56: Looking Fly In That Goochie 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.000 You've been a fly fishing guide. Yeah, I was a 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.520 fly fishing guide for seven long days, which prompted the 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.680 folks at Gidness to just dissolve the title of world 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.480 shortest river entirely, because really, who gives them? We wonder 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:24.680 if that's pepper spray at taser or a clock on 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.680 his sidebow. And I was just like, this deck is 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.600 It sounds and feels like I am walking on saltine 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:36.800 crackers right now. Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.920 Bend the Fishing podcast that kindly asked you to remove 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:42.800 any cigarettes or lithium batteries from that carry on bag 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.480 of bad juju you're trying to bring aboard our flight 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:51.560 to guaranteed slave Festville. I'm Joe Surmelli. I'm Miles Balty, 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.560 and uh well, I'm not entirely sure where you're going. 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.520 That was pretty good, I don't I liked all of that, 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.240 and props to you, sir for putting it together. Thanks man, 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.200 I appreciate that very much. Here's where I'm going, without 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.920 thinking about it too long, name the first person that 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.039 comes to mind that's guaranteed to turn what by all 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.080 counts should be like a really good day of fishing 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.360 into an absolute suck fest with nothing more than his 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.440 or her presence. Oh that's easy. That that would be me, 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:24.840 this guy right here. Yep, yep. Uh. You know, come 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:26.480 to think about it, I can kind of attest to 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.480 that a little bit now that you caught me off guard. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.200 But I can kind of attest. Okay, all right, so 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:36.960 it's it's you that's it's expected but fair. Next question, then, 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.680 do you have a slang term for people like yourself, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.119 like these dark clouds of vibe crushing and mojo killing? 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.880 Um my, my super ego. I don't know, No, I don't. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.279 I think I see where this is going now, and 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.520 and I'm with you. I want to have this East 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.279 versus West semantic slang discussion about you know, this topic, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.720 but I don't. I actually don't have a word for that. 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:01.320 I don't. I don't know that we have such a 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.640 word out here. So I'm just gonna tee you up 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:08.040 and say, what do you call him? Joe gouchers? My 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.640 preferred term, yes, my preferred term for those people that 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.160 just seem to drain the life out of any water 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.040 or like they conjure wind and rain and hail when 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.560 none of that was forecast. Those are guchers, right, And 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:23.960 I did not invent the term. I actually heard it 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.640 on a party boat years ago, and believe it or not, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.840 it has an interesting origin that fits bent to a t. 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.680 It's just it's just it's so bent. But I'm gonna 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.400 save that for today's Weekly Words segment, right, But I 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.040 do think it's important to point out that while it 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.840 might be easy to say, well, well, stop fishing with 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.040 these people, stop fishing with Miles if he's a goucher, right, 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.880 You're not bad folks, right, Like all, or at least 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.200 most of the guchers I know, are people that I 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.800 enjoy like. I want to fish with them. I want 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.800 them to hook up and have a great day. But 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.800 despite me saying well, this time will be different, this 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.840 can't possibly last forever like that funk can be strong 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:07.720 enough that there's just no breaking out of it. Man. 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.320 You know, yeah, uh, I want to talk about the 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.400 gucher thing and give my thoughts. I'm not I'm not 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.120 gonna I'm not gonna spoil it. I don't want to 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.280 get hut of the Weekly Word, but I'm excited for 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.799 that because I know exactly what it makes me think 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.239 of it. But anyway your point, Can I just say 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:29.360 that it sucks being a gucher? Can I just say, like, yeah, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.800 it sucks, just just by virtue of the fact that 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.920 I have fished so much in my life. I have 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:40.440 had many, many incredible days. But it's pretty safe to 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:45.360 assume that if I'm booked on a fishing trip, even 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.040 too good odds that the conditions are going to be tough. 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.960 It's not gonna be the optimal conditions. Like I said, 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.960 I can attest to that. I know, and that was bad. 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.440 But I've got many other stories like that, perhaps the 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.720 worst one. I once got the trip of a lifetime 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:05.560 to fish Cuba, like Cuba and dream Trap. Yeah, the 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.640 day I arrived, the weather turns so bad that our 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.720 entire group only got to fish one day out of 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.520 the four we had playing because, like, it was so 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.440 bad we couldn't even launch the skiffs. It was so 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.839 bad for for most of the time we were there, 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.080 So we ended up spending most of the trip drinking 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.600 herculean quantities of beer and rum because what else you 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.279 gonna do. Yeah, and we're not even like mainland Cuba. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.679 We're on the small island off the mainland of Cuba. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.679 There there's really not much to do besides fish and drink. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.000 I had a blast, but I went there to catch 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:45.599 stupid tarpan, not sloppy on a beach, and I shouldn't complain. 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.560 This is the definition of a first world problem. I know. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.760 But the worst part about being a goucher's exactly what 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.839 you're talking about. People are afraid to invite you on fishing. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.520 I'm afraid I should say that people won't invite me 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.440 on fishing trips, not because they don't like me, but 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.600 because I'm a bad omen right, Like that's my fear. 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.600 Like I'm like, wow, Joe is not gonnavite me back 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.839 now because he thinks I'm a gucher. That there goes 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:15.719 my invite anyway. I just the thing is right with 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.120 gucher's it's you're not a goucher if the bad luck 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.000 only extends to yourself, like everyone else is whacking them 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.400 and you're not a gucher, brings down the whole tribe. Man, 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:29.000 that's the problem. That's what I'm talking about. I know, 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.039 I know, But enough about me. I'm assuming that you 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.280 have a favorite gucher that runs from your circles. I do. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.679 I absolutely do. And he's my dad and he listens 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.000 to all these shows, so I will hear about this. 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.320 But even he won't deny it. Like if he were 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.120 joining us as a guest right now, he'd be like, yeah, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:50.279 he's not lying, Like I dude, I could hammer fish 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.960 on Tuesday and have identical conditions Wednesday. Get him out 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.720 there and we won't touch a fish, or we'll we'll 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.480 just get one where I got one hundred, like at 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.520 the zero hour, like just before dark, like, oh, there's 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.440 your one, and it's maddening. And it has been like 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.920 this for years. Right, And he's the worst because he's 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:13.040 a freaking multi species goucher. It doesn't matter what you're 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.559 fishing for, he will shut it down, right, And because 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.800 I would actually say, I'm curious if you agree it's 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.599 more common to be a species specific goocher. Like Frankly, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.680 first of all, we all have a little goucher in 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.599 this from time to time, right, but I consider myself 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:32.240 like a full time muskie goucher. Right, it doesn't matter 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.960 how good the fellows were doing last week, I will 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.680 shut it off, okay um. And I even once had 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.440 a buddy. Note, I said once, because we're really not 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.279 boys anymore, that I accused of being a tuna gucher 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.839 while seventy miles off shore. And he was so offended 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.440 and adamant that he was not the gooch that he 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.880 kind of stopped talking to me. Anyway. Look, yeah, and 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.320 and and so you'll hear more about my dad's goocheness 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.800 in that aforementioned Weekly Words segment. I'm not done with 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:03.839 him yet, just so he knows Dad that for the 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.560 back stepping back though, that former buddy of yours needs 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.840 to have thicker skin totally. I'm sorry. Like, yeah, the best, 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:15.360 the real gouchers, the good gouchers. We own our gucins, 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:20.360 like like your dad myself. And speaking of your father, 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.360 I'll bring it back to that. I do have a 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.400 little advice for him. My advice to him is to 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:30.320 arm himself with a selection of lures from our good 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:35.240 friends at thirteen Fishing. I personally suggest my name is Jeff, 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:39.960 which comes with a proprietary anti gooch force field cooked 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.920 right into the plastic. So now now he's gonna call 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:44.600 me and be like, give me some of them. Jeff's 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.120 that Myles was talking about like I have to be 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.400 the supplier. He's not gonna go out and look for that. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.640 But anyway, that's a terrific suggestion. And the actual name 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.360 of these four inch floating swim baits, right is My 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.200 name's Jeff. They named the damn Lord. My name is Jeff, 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.080 and we love that. We've said how much we love 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.480 their names. I also really like the Lord because they 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.320 got a hollow belly. It was like a little air 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.800 trapped in there, so they fall a little slower on 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.840 a jakehead rise a little higher on drop shot. Keep 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.080 that in mind. It's good stuff all around, like great stuff. 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:18.800 And here's some more great stuff. We are going to 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.320 move into smooth moves. And joining us today is our 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:26.400 good friend and very accomplished photographer Brian Gregson. Now this 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.280 was recorded, I believe while you guys were in Ohio 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.719 shot Doss Boat. That's correct, the Dost Boat sessions. Yes, yep. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.760 And this is I think almost certainly the shortest smooth 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.680 move we've ever had, mostly because Brian prefers he likes 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.920 to be behind the scenes. He wants to be behind 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.800 the camera. He makes the media. He doesn't like doing it. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.880 He hates being on podcasts, and he nearly stopped being 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.840 my friend when I wrote a short film about him 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.880 some years ago, which is a good film. You should 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.520 check it out. Anyway, he got over that, and he'll 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.319 get over being on our podcast because we needed him. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.040 His story fits our same this week, and I'm gonna 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.880 call it like a cautionary tale for all those guchers 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.840 out there. The first step towards turning your look around 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.080 might be admitting that you are bad luck. You've gotta 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.160 be self aware and maybe a little more in tune 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:20.400 with your environment, which the subject of this story really 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:30.960 doesn't seem to be. Why sitting down today in the 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.679 great state of Ohio on the it's not really a 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.000 set of dos boat, is it. I guess it could 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.640 be a set, Yeah, but I'm sitting here with my 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.720 buddy Brian Gregson, and there's there's so many things you do. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.280 I don't even know how to set you up. Like. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:49.920 You're a badass photographer, right photos? Yeah, you have one 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:54.439 of those codact disposable cameras, right Yeah. Yeah, You've worked 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:58.800 on a commercial tuneaboat. You've been a fly fishing guide. Yeah, 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.400 I was a fla fishing guy for seven long days. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.640 Basically though, like you've done all the things that everybody 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.360 wants to do. Like so I'm like, I'm very jealous 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:11.800 of the things. I feel like when I talk to you, 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.720 I'm like, I've done nothing with my life. You've been 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.839 everywhere and done everything I've done. I've been fortunate to 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.160 do a lot of things, but I think that you 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:21.120 have to give up a lot of things too. I 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.719 also heard that you don't really love being on podcast. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.640 Is that accurate? Yeah, you know, I work better behind 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.240 the scenes. Um, I feel more comfortable with a camera 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:30.840 in my hand looking through a view find it than 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.240 I do in front of a camera. Okay, well, but 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:38.079 so that that noted. I appreciate you doing bend. I 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.040 appreciate this is. This is I'm I'm proud because people 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.320 have like tried to get you and you're just like nah, nah, 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.320 right right. Yeah. I had one one friend talked me 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.280 into it and there was no way out of it. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.080 I was cornered into it and I did it. But well, 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:54.440 I mean, we're we're staying in the same place. You 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.200 can't say no because every day I'll just be like 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:00.000 you're coming upstairs and sitting down and we're doing this, um. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.480 But you you know what smooth moves is all about, right, 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.160 So because of all the different things you've done, this 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.880 smooth move could come from any aspect of all these 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.559 cool things you've done with your life. So I'm very 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.400 excited because I have no idea what you're bringing in 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.760 the table, right, So the floor is yours. Man, hit 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.320 me with a smooth move. Well, you know, over the years, 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.960 you see a lot of smooth moves. I'm fortunate enough 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:22.640 to spend my time with a lot of anglers and 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.040 guides all over the world, and you hear all the 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.160 smooth moves, um, and one that kind of stands out. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.640 So this didn't happen to you. This is that's fair. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.720 That's it. And I hate to throw anybody I know 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.560 under the bus. Um. One of my favorite parts of 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.800 your podcast is a smooth moves. I'm always cringinging. I'm like, oh, man, 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:43.800 I hope I'm not that person that happened to me, 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:47.840 and I've never wind up on him. So you're gonna 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.520 go this route and you're gonna tell a smooth move 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.679 about something that had this somebody else. Yeah, but it 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.520 was it was a good friend of mine. The guide 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.720 in the Caribbean and had a new anger in his 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.800 boat and his first time, to believe, very excited, very 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:05.240 smart person on paper um, and he noted the water 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.160 and he's like, wow, this is the most beautiful water 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.000 I've ever seen in my life and it is. It's unbelievable. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.000 Turk course great yea. And the guy's like, hey, should 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.199 take some home with you. So he's like, oh man, 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.640 that's a great idea. I'm emptied his water bottle and 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.360 filled it up. I might have happened to maybe or 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.960 may not, been on the boat, screwed the cap on 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:26.720 and he went to look at it. And it was 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.959 at that moment I think it's just so overwhelmed. Don't 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:30.560 even think about it. Because he looked up at it, 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:35.680 it's like, that's the color of water. What gives it? 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.520 The color is the bottom? Right, But you know, first 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.040 time or smart guy of paper, but maybe not so. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.040 The clincher there is just I'm sure it was suggested 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:52.120 in that perfect like yeah, and you have take some home. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.679 It was like, yeah, well, of course you'll be sweet, 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:59.320 you know, and just expected to have a bottle of 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:08.200 turquoise the shell exactly. But nobody else house on what 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.520 you said about being in tune with your environment is 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.760 accurate because often, okay, but not always, I find that 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.360 a goucher like they have the desire, right, they have 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.440 the moxie, they want the fish, but they're just like 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:24.240 a step or two behind in the big picture of angling. Right, 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.839 here's an example. Here's an example, right, Like, I once 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.040 jumped on a boat with a guy I never met. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.040 I knew most of the people, but there was one 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.880 outlier I never met. And as we're breaking the inlet 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.240 at two o'clock in the morning, the dudes like, we 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.960 never catch tuno when I'm on the boat, and because 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.760 I believe in the power of the gooch, I was like, god, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.680 damn it, like I don't want to be here now. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.199 And sure enough we caught zip right, just blank. But 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.720 while me and everyone else were like racking our brains 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.920 looking at colored charts and changing lures and doing whatever 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.000 we could figure out how we can turn this around, 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.200 how we can swing this around, Like that dude was 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.360 just in a bean chair, you know what I mean, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:03.480 Like he can cast in real but he's not overly 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.880 interested in in the harder worker details. So again I 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.560 am not always because when I fish for muskies, right, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:12.280 which is rare, but when I'm doing it, I do 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.160 it pretty hard and I still can't really catch them. 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.920 So maybe what do I know? You know, No, see, 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.640 this is a semantic argument. It's not my word, but 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.200 I don't care. I'm gonna argue it anyway. To me, 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.920 that's not a gucher. That's that's a disinterested angler. That's 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.160 someone who lacks one of the primary qualities that you 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.960 gotta have to be good at and truly enjoy fishing. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:39.040 I reserve gucher for people like me who are explicably 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.640 cursed with consistent bad luck. But maybe I'm just being defensive, 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.880 But that's how I define that term. No, I mean, 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.440 I just I think it works both ways. Like I 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.200 know really devoted anglers that are just bad luck. But 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.040 I also know a lot of people that are bad 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.720 luck but also just don't try very hard either, Like 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.080 my dad comes to mind again here, Like I'll put 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:58.880 it this way, like they don't go out of their 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.920 way to change the luck. They just resign to the 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.120 suck and say like, oh wow, this is always what 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.080 happens when I'm here, and just like leave it at that. 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:11.040 You know, yeah, that's just that's just bringing negativity into it, 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.000 like that's harsh in my mellow. That's no. You know, 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.920 you can't do they can't give up like that. Yeah. Anyway, 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:21.560 we've all waited long enough to get the origin story 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.680 of gucher. I know, I know where I hope this 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.280 thing is going, but I'm actually unsure where this term 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.320 came from. So please, the floor is yours. Let's get 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:36.440 on with that weekly word. Webster's Dictionary defines fish as 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:42.240 the gooch. Most of you know it's a slang term 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.080 for a specific male body part located between two other 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.520 male body parts, and this also explains why several of 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.720 the Urban Dictionary definitions of the word gucher wouldn't be 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.560 anything you'd want to repeat at the church picnic their guy. Okay, 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.240 So now that that's out of the way, I'm thrilled 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.320 to announce that goucher, as I've been using it to 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.400 describe a person with the magical ability to curse a 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.080 fishing day, has nothing to do with body parts or 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:13.160 deviant acts. Its origin comes from the classic film Stand 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:17.120 By Me. If you are unfamiliar with stand By Me, 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.600 well shame write the hell on You You need to 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:23.600 Get Familiar Asap. It was written by Stephen King and 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.160 set in nineteen sixty and it follows a group of 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.080 young friends on a coming of age journey to find 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.240 the body of a missing boy. That group of friends 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.560 is played by eighties grades like Corey Feldman, Will Wheaton, 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:39.840 Jerry O'Connell, and the Late River Phoenix. The antagonist none 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.120 other than Key for Sutherland as the thug Ace Meryl. 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.720 The entire thing is narrated by Richard Dreyfuss, and it 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.800 was Stand By Me that introduced the world to the 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:54.640 concept of mailbox baseball. In a scene that slips by 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.920 most viewers, the boys are trying to decide which of 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.480 them will have to go to the store to buy 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.240 provisions for their upcoming hike to find that dead body. 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:07.399 To decide, they all flip a coin. The outcome of 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.520 that flip is four tails or what Verne, the chubby 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.359 member of the group played by Jerry O'Connell, refers to 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.480 as a goocher. It turns out that the opposite all 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.879 heads in the toss of multiple coins is called a moon, 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.520 and it's a sign of good luck and good things 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.080 to come. A goucher, of course, is a sign of 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.320 pending bad luck and doom, making it perfectly for voting 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.399 in the movie because the kids pilgrimage is pretty rife 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:38.600 with struggle. Per the Internet, there is no history of 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.439 the terms moon or goucher as signs of good or 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.399 bad luck anywhere outside Stephen King's book and the later movie, 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.520 suggesting that King either coined the term himself or maybe 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.879 it was something he and his buddies used when they 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.400 were kids. My dad is both a huge Stephen King 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.160 fan and, as I said earlier, a huge goocher, and 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.919 so is his buddy Mike, who he's known since college. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:06.280 Mike's inability to catch fish is semi legendary, and I've 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.680 been hearing stories about it since i was ten years old, 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.760 which is right around when Mike and my dad first 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.959 started taking me shad fishing. As it naturally happens. Nowadays, 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.320 I'm the one taking my dad shad fishing, and nine 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.840 times out of ten, because he's just like a Gucasaurus rex, 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.000 the fishing is extremely tough. Mike is such a gooch 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.480 that he couldn't even get on my boat, let alone 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.240 catch anything. Literally every single time I set a date 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.000 to row Mike and my dad down the river. Whether 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.560 or high water or COVID or something forced us to 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:41.040 cancel the trip. I'm not even kidding. This went on 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:47.920 for three years, So finally this past May, after rescheduling twice, 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.359 I got Mike and my Dad on my boat. It 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.359 was a beautiful afternoon, though very late in the shadd season, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:58.000 so late, in fact, that my expectations were about nil, 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:03.200 but much to my surprise, we positively whacked them. It 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.159 was so good I could only set two lines instead 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.440 of four because I just couldn't keep up. Those old 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.600 timers had the best day of fishing they've had in years, 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:16.160 maybe decades. I mean, hell, they're still talking about it 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.800 to this day. But I'm only left wondering, have I 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:24.520 figured out the secret formula? Does two Gucher's equal one ringer? 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.040 Does the bad luck become a force for good when 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.879 they crossed the streams like in Ghostbusters? This is something 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.679 you should probably ask me next Chad season if I 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:43.080 can get them out again. Possibly, maybe, almost certainly my 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:50.760 favorite weekly word. Yes, that movie was the only place 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.200 I had heard the terms Gucher and moon, and I'm 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.480 so happy we got to talk about yet another Stephen 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:01.280 King story on this show. Yeah, one of my favorite authors. 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.120 But I was hoping I really wasn't. I'm a little 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.320 disappointed because I was hoping you'd be able to provide 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.560 the etymological history of those words. Yeah. I was one 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.920 in that, I I know, and I was really hoping 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.119 that too, and I tried, right, but no, like all 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.359 the signs point to, it just seems that that King 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:19.879 seems to be the person who brought those into the 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.439 common lexicon. Yeah, well, good for him. Shakespeare did it, 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:27.520 Chaucer did it. Stephen King did it? Good for Stephen King. 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.920 In contrast to our previous conversation about a movie adaptation 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.680 of a King book, I actually love the film stand 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.160 by Me. I'm not gonna say it's better than the book, 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:45.439 but it's close. Now, having said that, I have a 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:49.159 question for you. The story that stand by Me was 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.280 based on, titled The Body, was published in a collection 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:56.560 of four novellas called Different Seasons. Three of those novellas 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:00.280 went on to become movies. Can you name either of 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:05.160 the other two without googling? Oh? I So I'm gonna 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.080 take a wild stab and say that one was shaw 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:11.240 Shank just because it's it's I know, I know. King 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.439 wrote that it's non horror and it's set in the 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.439 same time frame, stand by me. But the other one 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:22.560 I wouldn't know accurate, well done, Yes story, the story 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.160 was called Read a Hayworth and the shaw Shank Redemption. 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:29.719 They shortened it, and yeah, it's a great story. Another 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:31.800 really excellent one in that collection, another good reason to 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.239 read it. The other two stories are APT Pupil and 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.160 The Breathing Method. APT Pupil was also made a new movie, 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.880 but it was not very good. Yeah you know that one. 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.439 I recognized the name. I don't think I saw it though, don't. 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.359 That's that's like Nazi stuff, right, Yeah, there, there's there's 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.680 a there's a Nazi Nazi twings to it. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:56.320 it's creepy. The book was much better and on that 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.840 different seasons. Is probably my favorite Stephen King book of 0:21:59.880 --> 0:22:01.919 all time, And if I could find a way to 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.400 spin it as a fishing book, I would definitely make 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.359