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Speaker 1: crackers right now. Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: of bad juju you're trying to bring aboard our flight

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Speaker 1: to guaranteed slave Festville. I'm Joe Surmelli. I'm Miles Balty,

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Speaker 1: and uh well, I'm not entirely sure where you're going.

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Speaker 1: That was pretty good, I don't I liked all of that,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that very much. Here's where I'm going, without

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Speaker 1: this guy right here. Yep, yep. Uh. You know, come

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Speaker 1: to think about it, I can kind of attest to

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Speaker 1: it's it's you that's it's expected but fair. Next question, then,

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Speaker 1: we've hinted at on this show, you're gonna see a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of bent regulars in dost Boat this season.

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Speaker 1: It's true. And let me just say, I am so

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Speaker 1: happy that you wound up with the hosting duties. I spent,

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Speaker 1: as you know, years of blood, sweat and tears working

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Speaker 1: on the show, helping bring this thing into existence, writing it,

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Speaker 1: producing it. And so to have you take over the helm,

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Speaker 1: shall you speak of the host and dudes, just makes

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Speaker 1: me really happy. And you're not alone like you were saying,

430
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Speaker 1: are are good? Buddy Staaten Island's native son, Frank Cressitelly

431
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Speaker 1: plays a major role. He's he's the boat fixer. I

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Speaker 1: think this is the way what you called it, which accurate,

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Speaker 1: which is accurate? Uh, And let me tell you, I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's ever been a doss boat in the

435
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Speaker 1: history of doss boats that's required more work and effort

436
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Speaker 1: than this one. True facts, true facts. So this year, right,

437
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Speaker 1: we're running a nineteen foot nineteen seventy three Mako center console.

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Speaker 1: And while that's a classic, super classic Northeast boats, it's

439
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Speaker 1: also the kind of boat that guys want. They want

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Speaker 1: these older boats to restore them and make them perfect again.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, most of the time, when you find them,

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Speaker 1: like on a front lawn in Delaware where we found ours,

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Speaker 1: she's got issues and we weren't spared any of them.

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Speaker 1: We were not spared any of the issues. I was

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Speaker 1: there on the ground when we found it, and I

446
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: was just like, this deck is like it literally it sounds,

447
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: it sounds and feels like I am walking on saltine crackers.

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Speaker 1: Actually you called me. I was like, I don't know,

449
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we can fix that. Should we

450
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Speaker 1: do it? And it was insane? Right, But also, you

451
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Speaker 1: have to consider finding a used boat right now on

452
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Speaker 1: a tight budget. It's not super easy. Okay, like it's

453
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Speaker 1: I think I actually think it's getting a little better.

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Speaker 1: But going back to last spring, early last spring, there

455
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Speaker 1: were not a lot of great use boat options. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: and we had this tight budget. So Frank and I

457
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Speaker 1: looked at this thing. We just kind of set a

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Speaker 1: prayer and went for it. Gave the man his money,

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Speaker 1: but damn it, we whipped her into shape. We did,

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Speaker 1: you did. And and beyond that, I mean, beyond that

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Speaker 1: whole origin story of the boat. Uh, the saga of

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Speaker 1: this season is impressive, and so are the results. Right.

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Speaker 1: The season kicks off with you chasing stripers with old

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Speaker 1: cal Ryan callahand before embarking on a two thousand mile

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Speaker 1: adventure around the right side of the country, Fisher cought

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Speaker 1: Oliver and I gets on board. At one point, our

467
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Speaker 1: buddy j Siemens makes it appearance. We even put Ross

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Speaker 1: robertson on the damn thing this year. Yeah, maybe against

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Speaker 1: our better judgment, we did that for some reason. I

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Speaker 1: kid if I kid, of course, we had a great time.

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Speaker 1: Who else Blaine Chocolate on the action Yeah, Briandrassi, Christine

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Speaker 1: Fisher And despite how exhausting truly this season was to

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Speaker 1: put together, I had a lot of fun. And I

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Speaker 1: really hope you guys follow along for the next six

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Speaker 1: weeks on the YouTube. There's gonna be We got snack heads,

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Speaker 1: we got Kobe Is, got Walleyes. If you're into that,

477
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Speaker 1: you're you're into the Walleye thing, you know, kidding. It's

478
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Speaker 1: all good ship. It's it's really came together. Well it is,

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Speaker 1: it is. It's really good. Uh. But now let's get

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Speaker 1: into the this newsy goodness that we got going on.

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Speaker 1: As a reminder, this is a competition. Joe and I

482
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Speaker 1: do not know which stories the other one is bringing

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Speaker 1: to the table. And at the end of it, our

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Speaker 1: auditory Dolly Lama filled, the engineer will find a state

485
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Speaker 1: of grace and decide which one of us will attain enlightenment.

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Speaker 1: M hm. And this week you have the honor of

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Speaker 1: starting us off. I hope, I hope you brought some

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Speaker 1: good stuff. I'm looking forward to it. What have you got?

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know if it's good. I just don't

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Speaker 1: know anymore. I just kind of never worry anyway. So

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Speaker 1: here you go. Listen up, hockey fans, because this one

492
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: is for you. Yes, And just a quick side note. Um,

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Speaker 1: while I've never really been a sports fan, I think

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Speaker 1: I've said that on here, Like I don't watch football

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Speaker 1: or baseball, I just really don't give a shit. In

496
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Speaker 1: my youth, I was a pretty big hockey fan. Hockey

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Speaker 1: was my thing for a while. I think we're talking

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Speaker 1: into fish news in the past anyway, I I think so. Yeah,

499
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Speaker 1: I was a big San Jose Sharks fan. I also

500
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Speaker 1: loved the Florida Marlins, if you see where I'm going here. However,

501
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: I was an l A Raiders fan because the Dolphins,

502
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Speaker 1: as we all know anyway, anyway, they've done turns out

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Speaker 1: hockey goalie Pete Peters, and I love that name. Pete Peters.

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00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: What a great name. He is a very passionate angler.

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Speaker 1: Now Pete Peters was an NHL goaltender in the early

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. A matter of fact, he won the Vezina

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Speaker 1: Trophy for being the best goaltender in two eighty three

508
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Speaker 1: when he played for the Boston Pruins. His real claim

509
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Speaker 1: to fame, however, and this is I love this so much,

510
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Speaker 1: was that he was in goal for the Philadelphia Flyers

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Speaker 1: in two season, which was the season when Wayne Gretzky

512
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Speaker 1: was striving for a fifty goal season, and he scored

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Speaker 1: goals forty six through fifty on Peters in the same game. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's not what you want to be known for. Peters

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Speaker 1: is also quick to brag that the first goal Mario

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Speaker 1: Lemieux ever scored in the NHL was on him. So

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Speaker 1: I like this guy, Like this is the stuff, like

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Speaker 1: when you meet him, apparently he talks about right, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's awesome. I I I love it. I

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Speaker 1: love it. So anyway, I explain all this because Peters

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Speaker 1: likes to joke that he's the one that made Gretzky famous,

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Speaker 1: right by letting in goals six through fifty in a

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Speaker 1: single game. And now he's telling fishing guide Kevin Ostrada

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Speaker 1: that he's done the same for him. He's made him

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Speaker 1: famous too. So not long ago, Peters and some buds

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Speaker 1: chartered Estrata to take them out sturgeon fishing on the

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Speaker 1: Fraser River. Peters and his crew ended up reeling in

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Speaker 1: a white sturgeon bigger than any recorded in modern history.

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Speaker 1: The fish taped out at eleven feet six inches, and

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Speaker 1: Estrata estimated the weight at jest shy of nine hundred pounds. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen the photos of this fish.

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Speaker 1: If they've they've crossed your desk. It's frightening, dude. It's

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Speaker 1: so big, like it doesn't even look real. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the head on that fish, it's it's just nuts. Now.

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Speaker 1: According to the story, right, it's definitely a British Columbia

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Speaker 1: provincial record, and Estrata claims to be reaching out to

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Speaker 1: Guinness about the catch. But it's not going to qualify

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Speaker 1: for a world record because Peters traded the rod off

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Speaker 1: with with his buddies a few times. So Astrata has

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Speaker 1: been fishing the Frasier for fifteen years. They actually talks

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Speaker 1: about him crying in the article. All he talks about

542
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: it because he's like, I've never seen a fish like this,

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Speaker 1: and he absolutely credits this with some pretty strict conservation efforts, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: sturgeon have been catching release only on the Frasier since

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Speaker 1: the early two thousand's um and it's very likely that

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Speaker 1: this fish is well over a hundred years old, right. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: I assume that they're saying this is the biggest sturgeon

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Speaker 1: recorded in modern times, because I guess because I feel

549
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Speaker 1: like I've even seen stuff like this, you probably have to.

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Speaker 1: While some photographic evidence exists of fish this big or bigger,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of what I've seen is grainy, black

552
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: and white photos probably taken one years ago themselves, you

553
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, like way back in the day.

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Speaker 1: So in a sense, seeing a fish like this, at

555
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Speaker 1: least this caliber of sturgeon, it's almost like you're seeing

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Speaker 1: a fish that people kind of think doesn't exist anymore,

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Speaker 1: Like it's extinct, you know what I mean, like to

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Speaker 1: see one this size in the flesh. Um And in

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Speaker 1: the story, Estrada says, other anglers over the years have

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Speaker 1: made claims about catching fish this size. But and this

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Speaker 1: is fairly vague, but I think I have a handle

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Speaker 1: on it, Like, after careful examination of these photos, they

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Speaker 1: were all discredited. So you know guys like I got

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Speaker 1: a twelve footer here, and you know it's all about

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Speaker 1: the angle or whatever. And then experts look at these

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Speaker 1: and do the proportions and they're like, ah, that fish

567
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: isn't as big as this guy's claiming. But Astrata and

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00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: Peter's fish absolutely is. I mean, I'll post it in

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Speaker 1: our in our stories this week like it was nuts.

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Speaker 1: So the one thing that sticks out to me, though,

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Speaker 1: is it says it took twenty five minutes to reel

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Speaker 1: this fish in. Now, I am not in nearly as

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Speaker 1: good of shape as Pete Peters, even though he's much

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Speaker 1: much older than me. Right, but I've caught these fish

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Speaker 1: on the Columbia. Have you ever fished for these fish before?

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Speaker 1: The bucket list for me, but I've never All the

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00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: ones we caught in three days were like one fifty

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Speaker 1: pounds was probably the biggest, and they all kicked all

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Speaker 1: of our asses for significantly longer than twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: So I would love more detail on that, Like maybe

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00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: it was so old and you figure it had to

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Speaker 1: have been caught more than once. Being ad old, it

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Speaker 1: was just like, get it over with I've been here,

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00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: I've done this before. Um, so that was like the

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00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: only discrepancy on like twenty five minutes. I fought one

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Speaker 1: of these things for an hour and a half and

587
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna die. Still, incredible fish really speaks

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00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: to what conservation measures like that can do. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: just it's it's like it's frightening its head is So

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00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: it's just massive, it is and it's true. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we we pride ourselves on being nuanced enough to talk

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Speaker 1: about catching release as not a monolith like catching release

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00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: is important here in other places is not. I think

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Speaker 1: this is a great example of a fishery where it

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00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: is important. These are absolutely long lived fish that don't

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00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: spawn every year. Catching and release really matters for fish

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Speaker 1: species like this one. M My first story also is

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Speaker 1: a record story, but for a very different kind of

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00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: fish that for which catching release also matters, but maybe

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Speaker 1: not in the same way. Also, I just want to say,

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Speaker 1: I don't know which of my story is to run into,

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00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: because you set me up for segways to both of them,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna go with this one. I hope

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Speaker 1: you have another Guinness Record reference for me to set

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Speaker 1: me up on the next My next story is terrible.

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Speaker 1: So as I'm sure everybody who's listening is noticed, I

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00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: know you have. Over the past couple of years, New

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00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: York state fishing records have been falling like the clown

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Speaker 1: in Billy Madison, hard fast and in bizarre, confusing and

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Speaker 1: strangely entertaining ways. Hey kids, it's me. I've thought I

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Speaker 1: was dead, but glad I fell over. I just broke

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00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: my lining. Gonna hemrhage in my head. A couple of

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00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: weeks ago, Royal Isaac of Albany landed a four pound

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Speaker 1: seven ounce croppy, breaking a twenty year standing state record

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Speaker 1: by more than half a pound. This is at least

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Speaker 1: mildly noteworthy because new records usually eke past the previous

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Speaker 1: mark by like an ouncer two, and in this case,

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Speaker 1: the new record adds one six of the body weight

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Speaker 1: to the previous. In affish as small as a croppy,

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Speaker 1: that only amounts to a little more and a half pound,

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Speaker 1: but for the size of the fish, it's a huge leap.

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00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: Like to put this in context of another game fish

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about a lot lately. If this had

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Speaker 1: been a tarpin that bested the current record by the

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00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: same percentage of body mass, the difference would have been

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Speaker 1: forty seven pounds. So yeah, percentage wise, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: big jump. Mr Isaac was fishing Sleepy Hollow Lake in

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Speaker 1: Upstate New York. From what I could gather in some

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Speaker 1: basic Internet research, Sleepy Hollow is best known as a

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Speaker 1: bass fishery, but I think that says more about our

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Speaker 1: collective obsession with bass than the actual quality of the fishery,

632
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: at least if we're talking trophies. Seems like the lake

633
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: is overrun with stunted large amouth as in, like fifty

634
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: to seventy fish days are common, but they're almost fourteen

635
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: more interesting to me anyway, Sleepy Hollow is a giant

636
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: croppy factory. Besides the most recent record, one of the

637
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: two fish that co held the previous date record was

638
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: also caught out of that lake. Joe, before you get

639
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: all excited and packed the car, go on a road trip, Uh,

640
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: it's it's a private lake, so you can't go there. Okay,

641
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: all right? Is this like the Sleepy Hollow like the

642
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: Ichabod Crane deal the very same one? Yes? Okay, and

643
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: and and far from me. Actually this is not like

644
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: crazy far upstate. It's Hudson, Yeah yeah, yeah, okay uh

645
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: and and only residents of the lake and their guests

646
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: are permitted to fish there. Roy Isaac is not a

647
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: resident of the lake, but he has a buddy who

648
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: lets Isaac and his two sons fish office Pierre regularly,

649
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: and it seems like these guys have a pretty solid

650
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: pattern on the panfish. For four weeks in a oh

651
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: Isaac and his kids have been getting into bigger and

652
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: bigger crop eas He told Field and Stream quote, when

653
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: I went out there four weeks ago, I caught a

654
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: one pound seven ouncer and said wow, Next time a

655
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: two pound ten ouncer, and then the following week a

656
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: three pound ten ounce fish. Finally he landed the state record.

657
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: We have already debated the issue of private lakes and records,

658
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to get into that again. And frankly,

659
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: that's not the most interesting element of this story to me.

660
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: Sleepy Hollow Lake has populations of both black and white

661
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: croppy as well as hybrids. Black and white croppy are

662
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: very difficult to distinguish just by looking at them, and

663
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: while naturally occurring hybrids often have a black racing stripe

664
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: running along their face and back. That's not always the case.

665
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: Hybrids are usually sterile and as a result, often grow

666
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: much larger than true black or white crop eas. New

667
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: York State recognize his records for black and white croppy,

668
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: but not hybrids. Isaac's fish would have bested either one

669
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: of the records, but it had to fit into one

670
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: of those categories. Now, a New York Department of Environmental

671
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: Conservation Fisheries biologist examine the fish and determined it to

672
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: be a white croppy because of the placement of the

673
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: eye and the number of dorsal fins. But here's my question.

674
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: You may remember last November we reported on Jordan's Tantarski,

675
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: who had to wait ten months for genetic testing results

676
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: for the State of New York would certify his record

677
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: pumpkin seed. Why did the state require genetic testing for

678
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: one panfish record but not this other one? Because somebody

679
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: in Sleepy Hollow got money in grease the right pocket.

680
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: It was like this, as a Sawbucks says, it's a

681
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: white all right, maybe, but I'm gonna say this, I'm

682
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna get a little more nuanced. My guess

683
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: is that because the stately recognized as black and white

684
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: croppy for records, not hybrids. It was just easier to

685
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: do a visual inspection and declare it one way or

686
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: the other. Because if they had required the same genetic

687
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: testing that they did for the pumpkin seed and the

688
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: results came back that this was a hybrid, they would

689
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: have had a problem, and like they would have been

690
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: under pressure to create this whole new record category. Now,

691
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 1: I will fully admit I'm not a croppy expert, and

692
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: and maybe it's true the fact that Isaac's fish only

693
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: had six dorsal spines means that it's definitely a white croppy.

694
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: But my gut tells me there's some politics of play here.

695
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: We need to get Wily Marshall on the phone. He'll

696
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: sort this whole thing out. The croppy King, Yeah, yeah,

697
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not the croppy King. I did do

698
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: a bunch of reading, though, and it smacks to me

699
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: like a fish of that size besting the record by

700
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: that much, especially if the hybrids grow that much bigger

701
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: and quicker. I'm going to be real honest, man, I

702
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: had no idea they were hybrid croppys out there, but

703
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: I I croppy fish actually more than you would think

704
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: in the colder months before it freezes, just because it's

705
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: easy with the kids, Like you got a couple of

706
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: hours to kill, I got a couple of ponds and

707
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: a couple of trees, you know. Um and see it's

708
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: also funny. I always thought white croppies were pretty just

709
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: like easy to distinguish. I thought so too until I

710
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: started reading this like doing research because later with barring

711
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: versus the black croppie that are darker and speckled, It

712
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: very much depends on the like the turbidity of the

713
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: water they come out of, and the time of year

714
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: you catch them. White croppy during the spawn gets super dark,

715
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: look just like a black black croppie in in turbid water,

716
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: black croppy go completely white it out. And if you

717
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: look at the picture of this fish, yeah, it looks

718
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: like it could go either way. Yeah, I'm certain because

719
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: our our listeners are good like that, we're gonna hear

720
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: from some some croppy people and and and and I

721
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: encouraged that let us know because I mean why, I

722
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: think it's fascinating look for better or where it's like,

723
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: I know there's like crappy crazy people out there and

724
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: they're like c be destinations and that's a huge scene.

725
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: But for me, I just like that's just the thing

726
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: to go down the street and catch a couple of

727
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: here and there. So like I don't know that yeah there, yeah,

728
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: I just don't know that much about crop eas um,

729
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: but that that, yeah, I see what you mean. There

730
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: was a lot of paperwork involved in finding out that

731
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: that was a hybrid. Here's the transition for you if

732
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: if you happen to know somebody that lives on Sleepy

733
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: Hollow Lake but you don't have any fishing gear, You're

734
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: just gonna want to take a little drive to a

735
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: library a little further up in New York before you

736
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: hit Sleepy Hollow. How is that? I love it? Right?

737
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: So that was that was well done. So remember a

738
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: while back I did that funny little piece about the

739
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: flybrary right and how I thought it was a fine idea.

740
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: But we both kind of agreed most of the time,

741
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: the flies you find on it, we're kind of worthless.

742
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 1: So we've gotten some feedback. To be fair, we haven't

743
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: called it up, but some folks have called them be Like, no, man,

744
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: they're great. Mayer. I've learned a ton from them, So

745
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: in some cases it is working. And I've also had

746
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: people writing and be like, yeah, I leave gobs of

747
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: of of salmon skin on the flybrariy. Good for you, bro. Anyway,

748
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: so it's a similar vibes here. I like this story

749
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: a lot better. So in many ways, right, libraries were

750
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: sort of being underutilized by by a lot of people.

751
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: And it's been going on for a while because now

752
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: we have so much technology, right, and so many answers

753
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: to what we need to know right at our fingertips,

754
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: and then nobody cares about checking out DVDs at the

755
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: library anymore. Right, So but the ds, yeah, I know.

756
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean now, I was going to say, like, libraries

757
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: are not known for their books, dude, it's books. But anyway,

758
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: go ahead. That really says a lot about where we

759
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: are in our culture, where we're like remember the days

760
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: when we used to go to the library for DVDs? Yeah,

761
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: but that's fine anyway, the COVID pandemic has actually sort

762
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: of changed that and for like a lack of a

763
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: our way to put it, um made libraries in some

764
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: places like sort of useful and necessary again for a

765
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: lot of people. And per this story, I found on

766
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: Spectrum local news dot com, which covers upstate New York

767
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: many libraries, including the Han Memorial Library in the city

768
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: of Clayton. They were providing curbside book pick up right,

769
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: creating all kinds of virtual events for both education and

770
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: entertainment for kids, to give kids something to do, providing

771
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: WiFi net access for people that didn't have it or

772
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: needed to do job searches, and so on. So the

773
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: library sort of adapted to the community's needs. Right. So,

774
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: now as the pandemic starts to wane, the question is

775
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: how do we keep people engaged and using the local library.

776
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: So Han Memorial is trying to think outside the box

777
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: and figured, hey, a libraries where you go to borrow stuff?

778
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: Who says it has to be books? And Mannequin too

779
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: on VHS? Right, uh so it was one of my

780
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: favorite movies. So it just so I can't wait to

781
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: hear from all the Mannequin two people Mannking two on

782
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: the Run for the Wind. So it just so happened

783
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: right that Clayton local Joe Krisman, who is a big

784
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: time angler, had a garage full of gear he wasn't using,

785
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: so he donated a whole bunch of tackle and combos

786
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: to the library. So now you can go to this

787
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: library and sign out fishing and safety gear just like

788
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: you would a book. They've got life jackets. Right, there's

789
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: a big gas landing net on the wall with a

790
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: little tag on it. Smattering of rods and boxes of lords. Now,

791
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: the town of Clayton sits right on the St. Lawrence River,

792
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: so it's definitely a fish area. And I gotta say

793
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: I love this, right, not even not even kidding, like

794
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: I might reach out to my local library because you've

795
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: seen the amount of ship in my garage, and I

796
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: could definitely thin out the herd a little bit, right,

797
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: So I commend this a thousand times over. But I

798
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't be me if I didn't have like some ship

799
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: head comment to make. So of course, look looking at

800
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: the rod and real selection there. Actually there's a couple

801
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: of pretty nice newer Shakespeare combos, right, um, pretty good stuff,

802
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: full of line and all. But then they're also what

803
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: I would guess there's some remnants of Joe's garage, like

804
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff you'd see piled into that old

805
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: garbage can at the flea market table, just like odd

806
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: rods just like spewing out of a bucket or something.

807
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: Um and there's just like you know, super crusty, perhaps

808
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: missing a guide. There's like ten wraps of old bone

809
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: and dry mono on the reel. And I laugh at

810
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: this not because of the donation, because good on him,

811
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: but because if I were the librarian working there and

812
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: someone came in looking to rent out a rod and

813
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: some tackle, I feel like I'd have to sort of

814
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: profile like a little bit and like try engage how

815
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: likely this person is to steal the tackle or how

816
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: careful I think they're gonna be with it, and be

817
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: like here you go, bud, Like you can have the

818
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: Garcia spinner with the broken anti reverse loaded with the

819
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: dak ron and paired with this beat up conventional party

820
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: boat roun Right. So the promoter of fishing in me

821
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: loves this. I love it, But the serious fisherman in

822
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: me that has spent plenty of time with true rookies

823
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: as have you, is like that ship is contu broken,

824
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: like regard like or return in just a hopeless bird's

825
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: nest situation or yeah, or just with zero of the

826
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: spinners and frogs that they checked out along with the rod. Um.

827
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, like, even if even if you

828
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: know what you're doing, it's just what happens in fishing gear.

829
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: Pretty Much every piece of fishing gear I own I

830
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: consider temporary because it will meet its end eventually one

831
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: day will it will just not come home. Um, So regardless,

832
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: the Harn Memorial Libraries make an effort to provide this

833
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: gear for anyone that wants to try or maybe can't

834
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: afford fishing gear. And that's I love it, super cool.

835
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: The one hiccup that they didn't address, though, was licenses right,

836
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: And I'm sure they haven't figured out. But the library

837
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: is literally across the street from the water. But like

838
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: if you're popping in and return all those goose bumps

839
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: and want to chuck a spoon for trout across the way,

840
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: like you still gotta have a license. So I don't

841
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: know how they handle that. I assume they tell you that. Anyway,

842
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it my goal to reduce the books

843
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: in my local library by at least and just turn

844
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: it into a tackle the trout, magnets and surf rods

845
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: for everyone in the Joe Sphmelli Wing. Great story? Have

846
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: we not? Have we not proven the fishing gear and

847
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: and books can co exist, like have we not? Like

848
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: there's one thing I've hope we've accomplished. It's that you

849
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: don't have to remove the books for your fishing. Isn't

850
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: it funny? I'm kidding and you know that. But it

851
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be funny to think of something coming to me

852
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: like I'd like to rent one of your rods and

853
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: appropriate lores and do you have any books on fishing,

854
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: like just like the whole package in one Saturday afternoon.

855
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: You know what, I would be great, And I think

856
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: I have a solution to the problem that you put. Oh,

857
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: there we go do it. Here's here's what if I

858
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: were running that library, which god knows I'm not, but

859
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: if I were running that program, we hang Onu'm trying

860
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: to stop you and say, I could see you running

861
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: a library but being very disgruntled, like you want to

862
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: give people the best literature, and they'd come in and

863
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: just be like you got fifty shades of gray and

864
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: you'd be like, no, no, don't want that. Stephen King.

865
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: I would be the soup Nazi of the library note

866
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: books for you. But to figure out the fishing rod problem,

867
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's easy, man. You have an age

868
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: cap right, and and that also solves your license problem.

869
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's different different states, but usually you've

870
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: got to get to a relatively ripe age before you

871
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: need a license. Because I think it's twelve here. You

872
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: just you just pair those up. Man. If you're if

873
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: you're too old to fish without a license, you're too

874
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: old to rent the library's fishing gear. Very safe, That's

875
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: how I would deal with that. I think that we're

876
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna move from a story about ways to

877
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: make children happy to a story about making children cry.

878
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: Giants Springs State Park is a little known attraction here

879
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: in Montana. It's located just outside of Great Falls, and

880
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: and honestly, it's not the kind of thing you would

881
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: travel interstate to see, or even in trust state, but

882
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: for locals in the area, it's a cool spot. Giant

883
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: Springs is named for well, the giant spring that bubbles

884
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: up out of the ground right next to the Missouri River.

885
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: The Lewis and Clark Expedition noted this feature when they

886
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: passed through an eighteen o five, and for good reason.

887
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: It's one of the largest freshwater springs in the country,

888
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: pumping out a hundred and fifty six million gallons of

889
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: water each day. It's almost as much as Poland Springs.

890
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: Very close, very close. Giant Springs was also the site

891
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: of a world record controversy. The springs feed the Row River,

892
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: which flows a whopping two d and one feet before

893
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: hitting the Missouri. In A fifth grade class in Grade

894
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: Falls launched a campaign to get the Guinness Book to

895
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: recognize the Row as the shortest river in the world,

896
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: a title that was at the time held by the

897
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: D River in Oregon, which stretches four After two years,

898
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: the campaign was successful, but the people of Lincoln City, Oregon,

899
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: were not happy about their local river losing its Uh,

900
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a major award, of course they were, dude,

901
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: that's like, that's that's ten T shirts they're not selling

902
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: next year, you know what I mean? Get it. So

903
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: the folks in Oregon re measured the D, deciding to

904
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: end it at a new terminus, which they declared was

905
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: the point of extreme high tide, and coming up with

906
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: a new length of a hundred and twenty feet. The

907
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: two western towns engaged in the short but heated public

908
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: debate which prompted the folks at Gidness to just dissolve

909
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: the title of World's shortest river entirely, because really, who

910
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: gives a That was the last time that Giant Springs

911
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 1: State Park appeared in the national news until a couple

912
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. And while fifth graders campaigning to get

913
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: their local river inducted into the Book of World Records

914
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: is cute, this news story is quite the opposite. In

915
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: addition to the Roe River, Giant Springs provides water for

916
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: one of Montana's largest and oldest trout hatcheries, which has

917
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: been operating continuously since n The hatchery ponds are one

918
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: of the primary attractions at Giant Springs Park. Generations of

919
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: kids have visited the display pond, where they can see

920
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: and feed giant rainbow trout, which is why the next

921
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: thing I'm about to tell you is so sad and infuriating.

922
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: On August, some angry in cell jumped the fence at

923
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: the hatchery after sunset and stabbed many of the large

924
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: fish in the display pond with a knife. Six of

925
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: the fish had to be euthanized the next day, and

926
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: numerous others survived but now have large open wounds. A

927
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: local news story about this included an interview with Hannah Crane,

928
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: a mom from Great Falls who regularly brings her six

929
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: year old son to the park to play at the

930
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: playground and see the fish. In the interview, she said, quote,

931
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: one of the things he asks when he knows we're

932
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: coming down this way is are we going to see

933
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: the fish? I was trying to explain to him, there's

934
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: not going to be as many. They're not going to

935
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: be as big as we usually see them. They're not

936
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: going to be as beautiful and swimming around as much.

937
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: They're hurt. Now, Okay, I get that was emotional pandering

938
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: on the part of the journalist who wrote the piece,

939
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: but damn it, it worked. I was totally on the

940
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: fence about this story until I read that quote and

941
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: then thought about how shitty that conversation had to be.

942
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess kids have to learn that people

943
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: can be unspeakably cruel somehow, but six years old seems

944
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, kind of young. I just I'm so

945
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: glad I wasn't in that situation, and I sincerely hope

946
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: the person who did this faces some kind of consequences. Unfortunately,

947
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: that person is still large Montana fish. Wildlife in Parks

948
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: is asking the public to keep an eye out for

949
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: social media posts featuring suspiciously large trout and to come

950
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: forward with any information they may have that will lead

951
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: to the capture of the individual. I'm not I'm not

952
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: like mourning. You know six a half dozen broodstock rainbows

953
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: that were already It's a weird thing, and it's weird

954
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: thing in that regard, yes, but the senselessness and downright

955
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: means spiritedness to do regardless of trout. It doesn't make

956
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: any different. No, it doesn't make any sense. It's a

957
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: hatchery bond to the state park where kids go to

958
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: get excited about giant fish. Who in God's name grabs

959
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: a knife, hops offense and like I'm gonna get all

960
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: stabby on these trout. I don't get it, and I

961
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: hope they find the guy, and if they do, I

962
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: think they should force him to stand by that pond

963
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: for the next year and apologize to every kid who

964
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: walks in to see those fish. That's what I think

965
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: you ought to do. I mean, I hate to say it.

966
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: It's either like a raging just psychopath weirdo, or like,

967
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: could this be some like twelve monkey style crusade, the

968
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: rib the rid. The world of hatchery fish, you know

969
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like somebody who just like hates hatcher.

970
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: You know, they stocked him over his wild trout somewhere.

971
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: It happens, it does, but like if that's a wild

972
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: person doesn't know what they're doing, because these are the

973
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: fish that are past their prime. They're not even the

974
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: breeders anymore. Like they're the retired breeders. If you want

975
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: to do something like go after of the fish, they're

976
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: still making more fish. So I mentioned recently that I

977
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: used to belong to a trout club, which is exactly

978
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: what it sounds like, and it's a very Northeast thing

979
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: to do. I feel so bad. If you can get

980
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: me this child's name, I'll call our old hatchery and

981
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: I will have some giant rainbow sent right to his

982
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: front door. That's what I'm gonna do. You want a

983
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: thirteen pound rainbow that can't swim, I'll get it for

984
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: you by three o'clock. Dude, you know what I mean?

985
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: Poor kids? Oh, isn't it it is? So? I think

986
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: we need to laugh after that one. That was gut wrenching.

987
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: But here's how we're gonna do that. So we're gonna

988
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: go to Phil uh see what tickled his fancy this weekend.

989
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: As soon's we're done with that. It's been a while.

990
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: It's been a while since we've heard from our dear

991
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: friend river Horse, but we got some sage lee wisdom

992
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: coming at you that's gonna lighten the mood after all

993
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: that giant breeders stock trout death. Miles Nulty, you're the winner.

994
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: As a side note, I went to Lincoln City, Oregon

995
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: almost every summer grow up, and I can tell you

996
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: that they take a lot of pride in their little

997
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: d River Guinness. If you're looking for another tiny d

998
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: to measure, you can come on over to my place.

999
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, come in. Oh what's this for me? Oh? Thanks? Okay,

1000
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: it appears I have been fired from meat Eater. I

1001
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: guess that's that. Joe, Miles, you were a pleasure to

1002
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: work with. Um if you don't mind, I've actually got

1003
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: a written statement that I prepared several weeks ago in

1004
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: case something like this ever happened. Let's see here. The

1005
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: tides of history are never kind to those. Hey, Now,

1006
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: this is a river Horse coming to you from the

1007
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: deep south with some sage lee wisdom. I got a

1008
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: little story for you called parking lot of And let's

1009
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 1: keep in mind, as the old Western legend Wyatt Herb said,

1010
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: fast it's fine, but accuracy is everything. There's a ups

1011
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: truck parked in the fire lane, not much wind. It's

1012
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: about a sixty ft shot, and I've got an eight weight.

1013
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: This all started out innocently enough, but since winter it's

1014
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: been out of hand. It's even worse now. This fly

1015
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: shop is a beautifully shabby anomaly for Houston. It's it's

1016
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: smack dab in the middle of a posh neighborhood strip mall.

1017
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: By posh, I mean six figures equals poverty. As for

1018
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: all of us, we're lucky to have six bucks in

1019
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: our wallets. Some days the local crews all gathered around

1020
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: the front sidewalk of the shop with various fly rods,

1021
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: bombing outcast after cast, trey and jabs, jeers, hoots, and

1022
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: house as we each take a turn. Some days there

1023
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: are beers in the middle of the day Saturday night

1024
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: before closing. There might even be a cheap bottle of wine.

1025
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: Oh class, We take turns casting its cigarette butts, speed bumps,

1026
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: specks of dirt, rocks, parking signs, rose gardens, whatever, and yeah,

1027
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: sometimes the obligatory aired out fest for absolute distance. It

1028
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: was only a matter of time before the antie was upped.

1029
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: Anything moving is fair game BMW bins rolls. These are

1030
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: an automatic go to for whoever is on deck. A

1031
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: Volkswagen bug with the cheap plastic steering whell flower is

1032
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: a yes. A jacked Bubba truck is a hell yes.

1033
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: Any vehicle leaving the code store around the corner is

1034
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: the definitive, non negotiable yes for code in Texas shameful. Admittedly,

1035
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: there has been a history of wanton recklessness and hell

1036
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: raising getting me in over my head. There was a

1037
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: spot in a South African serf town that had a

1038
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: deadly slab of rock the size of a cement truck

1039
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: just barely submerged in the middle of the break. You

1040
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: had to decide mid sir Fried to either surf across

1041
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: that without coming undone, or simply bail out and paddled

1042
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: back up the point break with your tail between your legs.

1043
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: Cars would often park along the dunes and hawk to

1044
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: cheer you on, to goad you into an ass busting

1045
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: blood letting or a fist pumping victory. The sticks here

1046
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: different at the fly shop where we're all outcasting, but

1047
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: not much, not really, sweet Jesus. There it is what,

1048
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: at first glance appears to be a two pound turpin

1049
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: rolling on the outer sunlit fringes of the hazy concrete

1050
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: just past the jewelry store is the all time moment

1051
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: of reckoning, the ultimate price. It is a rent a

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Speaker 1: cop on a segue, one hand on the handlebar, the

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Speaker 1: other holding a towering waffle cone of frozen yogurt. There

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00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: is a lengthy silence, wallets are pulled out and cash

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00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: is flashed. We wonder aloud if that's pepper spray, a

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00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: taser or a glock on his side belt. Another twenty

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Speaker 1: ft of fly line gets stripped to the concrete landing

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Speaker 1: by battered steel red wing boots. Step aside, Everyone hold

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Speaker 1: my beer and watch this cast. I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: today's sage lewisdom. Here's to all things grassroots, handmade, homegrown,

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Speaker 1: and our beautiful sense of fishing. Community. Get on out there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know this for a fact, but i'd suspect

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Speaker 1: that based on on demeanor and just the way he

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00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: carries himself. River Horse is the anti goucher, right, and

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00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: I feel like I've said similar things about him before,

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Speaker 1: like you could be clinging for your life to like

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Speaker 1: a pool float in the middle of the gulf in

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00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: ten foot seas, you know, and like river Horse would

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00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: just be like, hey, now, why don't you take your

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00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: mind off your severe dehydration and cast this sweet, delicious

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00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: pink deceiver against the hull of your overturn boat And

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Speaker 1: it would just be like the greatest mahi bite of

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Speaker 1: your life, and you just forget about everything else. I

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Speaker 1: kind of think I kind of think confidence is gooch kryptonite.

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Speaker 1: River Horse just oozes confidence. So yeah, but you can

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Speaker 1: just cut in for one quick second. Though, Then, now

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Speaker 1: that you said that, do you lack confidence? I feel

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Speaker 1: like you're pretty confident when you're pretty confident. I can't

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Speaker 1: explain my gucciness is inexplicable. I know, I know for

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01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: a fact that I'm less gucci when I'm feeling super confident.

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Speaker 1: For me, man, it's and it's not so much. It's

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01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: not so much about my home waters, because sure, I

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01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: feel like I've fished them so much that it's beyond googe.

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01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: It's whenever I go somewhere else, That's that's when the

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01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: veil of googe descends upon me. That's that's kind of

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Speaker 1: how it goes. Yeah, but no, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that I lack confidence. I appreciate you saying that.

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Speaker 1: And if we're on the topic of people with just

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Speaker 1: unfathomable depths of confidence in lieu of end of the line,

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Speaker 1: this week, we're going to close out with a tackle

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Speaker 1: hack from none other than our bud and self proclaimed

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Speaker 1: Walleye phenomen Captain Ross Robertson. This is also from the

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Speaker 1: dost boat Ohio sessions. Is it not? It is? And

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01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: we we were corded plenty more with Ross that you'll

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Speaker 1: hear later, but we're gonna we're gonna slip this one

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Speaker 1: in here. This is a really solid tip. It is

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01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: it is, and it's it's tips just like this that

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01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: dare I say, have the ability to turn a gucher

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Speaker 1: into a moon. I'm getting hot from inside the city

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01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: like the floody gracing as with his knowledge today is

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Speaker 1: vast knowledge of the walleye Latin name Ross. Okay, perfect,

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Speaker 1: there you go, Captain Ross Robertson. Uh, dear old buddy,

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Speaker 1: and we're together in Ohio right now, sitting face to face.

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Speaker 1: Which is nice, is it's said, fair point, fair point.

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna make us. You're gonna make all the

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01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: Walleye freaks out there that come out of the woodwork

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01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: as Walleye people a little bit better at what they

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Speaker 1: do today because you're the man on Lake Erie. You

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01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: are a technical fisherman, meticulous, precise. So make us better,

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01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: make us a little bit more like Ross Robertson today. Joe.

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01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 1: You know, I like giving you tips. And here's one

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01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: that I think it's super simple that applies just about anybody.

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01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: That guys just don't think about the elephant in the

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Speaker 1: room when you were spool lines. A lot of guys,

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Speaker 1: I know, we're like, man, I keep losing fish. You

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01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: know why, Joe, most of us while ley guys do

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01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: an open water fish. And I mean probably Joe's realing,

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Speaker 1: but I mean aside from that factor. Aside from that,

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Speaker 1: that's cool. Monofilment's got t stretching it, Okay, Braid's got

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Speaker 1: like three to five. That's why I don't like using braid. One.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to so on my open water stuff,

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Speaker 1: my boards, things like that. I always use model. I

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Speaker 1: want that shock absorber in there. The problem is it

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Speaker 1: look too much. So what I do is is I

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Speaker 1: have somebody pull that line out. Sometimes they use a

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Speaker 1: fence because you know, maybe I don't have somebody around

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Speaker 1: the cares about me today, Like Joe, He's like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get ice cream, gonna help you stretch

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Speaker 1: your line today. But you can literally just seriously hook

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Speaker 1: it to a chain like fence. I've done it many

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Speaker 1: days by mess off and pull that out. And you

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Speaker 1: know a lot of times you see the curly cues

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Speaker 1: in your line. Yeah, you pull that right out, pull

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Speaker 1: that stretch out a little bit. You're still gonna have

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Speaker 1: plenty of stretching there. But I like to do that

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Speaker 1: in about the first fifty feet. Okay, And so that's

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Speaker 1: the stuff that's in the water, and I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: better feel and I'm not I'm going to get a

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01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: little bit better hook sets because now those fish that

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Speaker 1: barely get on it, maybe my hook's not quite as

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Speaker 1: sharp as it was when it first got you know,

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Speaker 1: putting the water. Now, all of a sudden, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have way better hook ups. So pre stretch your monofilment

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Speaker 1: line a little bit. You can even do this with

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01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: spinning stuff. This is an exclusive to trolling monos. You

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Speaker 1: like to stretch, but if you think about it is

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01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: a lot. And if you don't believe me, here's what

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01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: you want to do, maybe we should do this for you.

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Speaker 1: I want to see you cut your hands up, hook

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01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: a hook on when you're spinning reels or whatever it

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01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: is to a chain link fence, walk back fifty ft,

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01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: wrap around your hand. Do the same thing with mono.

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01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: On the other hand, the braid is gonna cut you

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01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: in two that mono. You're gonna be like, all right,

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Speaker 1: all right, are rare sound effects free? I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know you're gonna be able to walk back seriously, like seriously,

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01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: like five six seven ft. You're gonna pull it and

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01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna go right back, and it's gonna go right

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01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: back like a bungee cort. But I was just saying,

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01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: so the stretch is important to what you do. But

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Speaker 1: fresh line is gonna have more stretch than you even

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Speaker 1: wanted to have when it's fresh. You know, so many

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Speaker 1: things we do are like, hey, it's it's like a baseball.

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Speaker 1: It's perfect right before it's useless, right, like you got

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Speaker 1: to break it in and and a lot of guys

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01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: that put that real nice line on there and they

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Speaker 1: get it out there like between Let's say you're using

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Speaker 1: a board, You've got all that extra stuff in there,

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01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: and you don't realize like those fish are it's gummy mouth,

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01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: like they aren't getting the hooking. I know a lot

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01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: of guys that's this is a simple tip. I hate

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01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: even giving it because it's so it's like the elephant

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01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: of the room. But that little simple fact gets me

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01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: a lot more fish. And I don't have to wait

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01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: through or four trips losing fish before that line is broken.

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Speaker 1: So that's it for this week. Remember it's much smarter

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Speaker 1: to practice your fly cast on rent A cops than

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01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: hula hoops. My dad is more Gucci than your dad.

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01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: Take a picture of that clear blue water because you

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: can't take it back to your office. And sheboygan, dumb, dumb,

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01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: and stretch that mono so you don't pull a hammy

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01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: in an hour's long battle with the walleye and uh

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01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: and while you're standing by the fence stretching out that mono,

1184
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 1: go ahead and send a bar nomination sale. But item,

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01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: awkward photo, news story, or whatever else you want to

1186
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: bent at the meat eater dot com. Also keep using

1187
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: those degenerate Angler and Bent Podcasts hashtags on the Gram,

1188
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: and why don't you follow those hashtags while you're follow them,

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Speaker 1: It'll bring you closer to your fellow degenerates. Whatever you do,

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Speaker 1: do not use or follow the hashtag Gooch m