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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Bill, I want to talk to you about Skywalker Ranch

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Speaker 2: because it's not in Hollywood, it's in northern California. You're

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Speaker 2: making movies away from the Hollywood scene and on Skywalker Ranch,

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Speaker 2: which I imagine is both freeing and maybe you feel

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Speaker 2: like you're a bit of a bit of a bit

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Speaker 2: cotton inside a place that you can't leave while you're

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Speaker 2: working on a movie too, Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I used to go out there for lunch

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Speaker 3: a lot because it's such a beautiful place and it

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Speaker 3: has We were out there when I first started in

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Speaker 3: May of eighty two. It was Georgia's birthday a few

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Speaker 3: days later. His birthday is on the fourteenth, and I

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Speaker 3: started on the tenth. And so during daili's which were

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Speaker 3: all the backgrounds run from up and Humble for the

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Speaker 3: bike in Jedi, they had shot a scene where the

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Speaker 3: e walks run out with a big banner that says

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Speaker 3: happy birthday, George, and George kept saying, you know, make

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Speaker 3: sure that's in Daily tonight at home, because he re

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Speaker 3: ran everything at home for his wife, Marcia, who was

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Speaker 3: his main editor. Famously helped a lot on his movies.

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Speaker 3: She had cut Taxi Driver. She was really well known as.

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Speaker 2: Old Yeah she's she's in the movies. So when you're

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Speaker 2: saying that she edited Taxi Driver the movie, yes, okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah so she I mean she was amazed. Well he was,

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Speaker 3: you know, trying to write screenplays and broke and you

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Speaker 3: know she was out there bringing in you know, the

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Speaker 3: vacant uh So the thing about well, there was one

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Speaker 3: other thing I wanted to mention about you and your

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Speaker 3: kids being so into Star Wars when George came down

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Speaker 3: from Skywalker Ranch and he came to our studio and

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Speaker 3: he brought his personal print of Star Wars, printed off

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Speaker 3: the original a negative, the only one in the world,

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Speaker 3: and he ran it for us and told us the

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Speaker 3: changes that he wanted to make. I remember going back

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Speaker 3: to my editing room and thinking, what kids want to

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Speaker 3: see something that their parents liked or their grandparents liked.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that kids today want to

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Speaker 3: listen to the Beatles. So I was a little skeptical.

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Speaker 3: But because all those movies had been on videotape, and

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Speaker 3: every time I did a house tour looking for some

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Speaker 3: real estate, the kid's bedrooms were plastered with this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I began to realize, no, this is going to work,

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Speaker 3: and all studio executives were totally against it. They said,

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Speaker 3: are not in the restoration business. We're not doing this,

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Speaker 3: and they tried to stop him. And if he didn't

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Speaker 3: own the company, that would have been his last week,

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Speaker 3: you know, really he would have been gone because they

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Speaker 3: didn't want to do that. But in the end, those films,

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Speaker 3: the restorations of the three films, grossed two hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty million dollars, which paid for a lot of the

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Speaker 3: new films, the Phantom Menace and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Now I heard something about that too. Is it true

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Speaker 2: that was he that far ahead of the game when

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Speaker 2: he made the first three movies which started as you know,

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Speaker 2: episode four, that he just knew the technology was coming

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Speaker 2: in another twenty years where he could do the Phantom

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Speaker 2: Menace and all that.

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Speaker 3: He didn't know. The fact I was chosen to I

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Speaker 3: ran effects editorial. I was an editor, and then they

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Speaker 3: made me the manager of it, and that also included

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Speaker 3: we had a commercial division that made that edited the

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Speaker 3: TV commercials, and so I was chosen to take George

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Speaker 3: on a tour of the company to show him. He'd been,

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Speaker 3: you know, on vacation for a while, and he wanted

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Speaker 3: to see what we were up to, you know, what

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Speaker 3: the new things we were doing. And so I took

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Speaker 3: him around. When we got to the CMX room, which

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Speaker 3: is a post production machine back in the day where

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Speaker 3: the things that you could do, he said to me,

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Speaker 3: how is this different from my edit droid? He had

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Speaker 3: no idea. So a guy that I worked for went

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Speaker 3: then and worked for George on the Young Indiana Jones series,

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Speaker 3: and that's guy's name was Edgar Berkson. He schooled George

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Speaker 3: in what was possible. In other words, George didn't know

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Speaker 3: and Edgar schooled him. And I believe that that's what

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Speaker 3: digital started to become available. And that's a little off

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Speaker 3: the topic of Skywalker Ranch, but I wanted to I

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Speaker 2: I'm a little ADHD. Sorry, Bill, thanks for bringing home

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Speaker 2: yes back to Skywalker Ridge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Skywalker Ranch is a five thousand acre ranch,

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Speaker 3: very beautifully laid out. It's got vineyards, it's got a

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Speaker 3: his office. When we saw it going up, we said, what, George,

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Speaker 3: what is that we're there? He said, it's going to

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Speaker 3: a hotel. And then he wanted to attract directors because directors,

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Speaker 3: they're away from home a lot, and they don't get

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Speaker 3: then when they come back to La then they're working

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Speaker 3: not all that family friendly either. So George had the idea, well,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to build some really fancy condominiums and then

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Speaker 3: there's going to be a baseball diamond. Then there's going

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Speaker 3: to be horses, and there's going to be all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: So the directors could bring their families, and the families

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Speaker 3: can stay during the day while he's working on mixing

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Speaker 3: his film, but they have things to do and then

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Speaker 3: he'll see him in the evening. And to a certain extent,

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Speaker 3: that worked. But the ranch is quite a long ways

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Speaker 3: the directors thought, this is very nice, but I'm never

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Speaker 3: coming out here again. I felt like if you worked there,

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Speaker 3: it was like, you know, you were in a golden bubble,

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Speaker 3: but it was difficult to leave and have lunch and

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Speaker 3: somewhere where you could have lunch. So of course there

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Speaker 3: were restaurants at Skywalker Ranch, and so you could just

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Speaker 3: stay there for the rest of your life. You know.

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Speaker 3: I stayed there after the San Francisco earthquake because it

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Speaker 3: was afraid they shut down the Bay Bridge, and I

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Speaker 3: and it was, you know, it was pretty cool, very

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Speaker 3: nice digs.

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Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of it sounds like the

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Speaker 2: area fifty one of movies where and I imagine.

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Speaker 3: Like Hurst Castle.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but I imagine that at some point. Of course, now

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Speaker 2: the internet's full of rumors. It's almost like you can't

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Speaker 2: keep a plot secret for anything. But back in the day,

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Speaker 2: were there people going through Skywalker Ranch trash looking for

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Speaker 2: evidence of what the next you know, George Lucas.

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Speaker 3: More car trash. It was it was so ILM in

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Speaker 3: stands for Industrial, Light and Magic. But if you look

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Speaker 3: our area would be zoned light Industrial. All George had

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Speaker 3: In Los Angeles where the original ILM was, it was

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Speaker 3: then the light industrial district where you could do this

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Speaker 3: only guy who didn't ride off fast enough and he said,

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Speaker 3: I didn't get anything, and we felt sorry for him,

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Speaker 3: so we gave them this incredible tour of the company,

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Speaker 3: the model shop and all this stuff. And that's when

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Speaker 3: I learned. One day on a Saturday, this telephone repairman

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Speaker 3: and I said to him, can I take them and

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Speaker 3: go show him Darth Vader and c Threepo And he

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Speaker 3: said yeah, yeah, So so I took the kids in

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Speaker 3: see these things in person, but I realized they were.

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Speaker 3: They were kind of impressed, but they weren't bowled over

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Speaker 3: because without James Harld joins his voice and the lighting

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Speaker 3: impressed me as to how important the dramatic setting has

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Tie this in a little bit for me, so as

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Speaker 2: a musician and a guy who's played in studios and

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Speaker 2: on songs before, there's a fatigue moment. I think when

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Speaker 2: and you're hearing things that you've maybe you thought were there.

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Speaker 2: When you look at an effect or a scene over

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Speaker 2: you can't actually see what the people who are going

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Speaker 2: to see the movie see? How do you patrol me?

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Speaker 3: I went to the eye doctor once and so did

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Speaker 3: my friend, and after he took the I test. He said,

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Speaker 3: run them back and forth. We had special projectors that

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Speaker 3: And this is what they teach bank tellers back in

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Speaker 3: And so we had all these little tricks to refresh

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Speaker 3: I must have heard many boffins died to bring you

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Speaker 3: this information. We must have heard that in a thousand times.

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Speaker 3: So we would make jokes about it. We would go

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Speaker 3: George appreciated us making fun of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but after you hear it so much,

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Speaker 2: it's part of your world, it's part of your.

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Speaker 3: Brain, right, Yeah, exactly, And so you have to staying

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Speaker 3: fresh in evaluating something when you've seen it so many times.

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Speaker 3: It's difficult. And I'll tell you something about Marcia Lucas.

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Speaker 3: She's one of the only people that I've ever met

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Speaker 3: who's not only a brilliant editor, but she can look

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Speaker 3: at your movie tell you what's wrong with it and

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Speaker 3: how to fix it. So when she first saw Spielberg

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Speaker 3: ran for his buddies, George, Marcia the screenwriter buddies greatress

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Speaker 3: she said, Stephen, there's no emotion resolution. We don't know

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Speaker 3: what happened to India and the girl and you know,

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Speaker 3: spill work like slapped his forehead and said, you're right.

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Speaker 3: How did I forget that? So he went out and

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Speaker 3: to see each other again or however, I don't even remember,

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Speaker 3: but she spotted it and she said, this is what

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Speaker 3: You can't buy that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes it come together. What a great mind

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Speaker 2: that is. And you know what, of course we're dudes.

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Speaker 2: We're thinking about the adventure and she's thinking about well,

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Speaker 2: I care about the relationship as well, and that's what

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Speaker 2: makes it mass appeal.

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Speaker 3: That's right, exactly, And so we were all really disappointed

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Speaker 3: when the two of them separated. They literally the attorneys

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Speaker 3: and the accountants came through and counted everything in the company.

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Speaker 3: They went through my editing bench and wrote down everything

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Speaker 3: came to a hundred million dollars. He gave her fifty

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Speaker 3: and he sold the company to Disney many years later

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Speaker 3: for four point zero five billion dollars. That was the

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Speaker 2: I think you could upgrade that office at Skywalker Ranch

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Speaker 2: at that point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a.

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Speaker 3: Joke that the that the stage chance used to say

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Speaker 3: bought new tires for his Camaro.

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