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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Forgotten Seasons. This is

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Speaker 1: your host, Dylan dreyfus Man. Today we got a guy

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Speaker 1: that I think really epitomizes what this show is all about.

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Speaker 2: Josh Smith.

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Speaker 1: Jay Smooth went straight from high school to the league

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. He was a part of

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Speaker 1: all of who went straight from high school to the league.

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Speaker 1: Smith was drafted in the first round by his hometown

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Hawks, and he joined one of the worst teams

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Speaker 1: in NBA history. My co host Jelannie McCoy was a

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Speaker 1: part of this two thousand and five Hawks team. They

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Speaker 1: went thirteen and sixty nine, which is one of the

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Speaker 1: ten worst seasons in the modern NBA. The team did

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Speaker 1: have talent, though, I mean they had guys like Antoine Walker,

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Speaker 1: Al Harrington, tylu Boris Dao and Josh Smith. And if

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Speaker 1: you remember, Smith was putting up ridiculous defensive numbers in

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Speaker 1: his first three or four years in the league, having

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Speaker 1: one hundred steal and two hundred block seasons, stuff that

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Speaker 1: only guys like David Robinson and hikeem Olajah want have done.

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Speaker 1: Smith has a really interesting perspective just on how his

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Speaker 1: career panned out. You'll hear him talk about how he

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Speaker 1: even had trouble like going to basketball games or watching

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Speaker 1: this was a really good one. I hope you guys

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Speaker 1: enjoy a reminder, we are dropping episodes every single Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: really appreciated. Let's get into the interview. Forgotten Seasons with

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Speaker 1: Josh Smith begins right now.

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Speaker 3: Always unplugging is Forgotten Seasons.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Forgotten Seasons today. We got a good one,

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Speaker 1: Jalani Man. Fun fact, when I started Forgotten Seasons like

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Speaker 1: four years ago, the very first post that I made

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Speaker 1: was Josh Smith because I think that this dude is

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Speaker 1: one of the most slept on defenders, versatile players of

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Speaker 2: Jay smooth how you living today, man.

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Speaker 3: Jay smooth Man, I'm living good man.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for of course, I think this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: an especially good one because smooth you had the pleasure

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Man, definitely was a great teammate of mine, too brief

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Speaker 4: if you asked me, but definitely definitely was a good

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Speaker 5: I appreciate that. I felt the same way I knew

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Speaker 5: Josh was like reminding me of myself. So I did

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Speaker 5: what I could while I was there to make sure.

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Speaker 5: You know, he was in a better position, you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean, as a young player coming in to

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Speaker 5: a tough situation, so the talent was undeniable. When you

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Speaker 5: see Josh Smith, you realize you didn't have to be

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Speaker 5: even like that basketball to understand that he was good

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Speaker 5: at whatever he was doing. So, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: hats off to him as a young fella in his career.

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Speaker 5: And I'm excited about this one, Dylan, because at least

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Speaker 5: it's not that everybody isn't the homie. But you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean, I at least got, like you said,

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Speaker 5: I had a little time cut short, but I spent

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Speaker 1: So before we get into the Hawks thing, I want

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Speaker 1: to kind of start in high school. We've been posting

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Speaker 1: Dwight Howard, Sean Livingston, Al Jefferson, Rudy Gay, yourself, Marvin William,

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Speaker 1: And then what I assume happens is people see that

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about your AAU team, but talk

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, we sure did. That was we had

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Speaker 4: And that that was a drive that that added a

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Speaker 5: Y'all know you played against older players? Did Were you

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Speaker 4: Well I was a little taller than my my friends,

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying as young as a young.

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Speaker 1: Kid talk to us about the Atlanta Celtics, I can't

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Speaker 1: imagine like rolling up to an AU game and seeing

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Speaker 1: I know that Brandon Rush, Javaris Crittinton, I think Randolph

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Speaker 1: where you stand on that, But what what was your

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Speaker 1: he played on a really good AU team and I

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Speaker 4: I mean, we're definitely up there in conversation. You know,

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Speaker 4: But we were so humble back in the day. You know,

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Speaker 3: So it was like, you know.

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Speaker 4: We were just kids, you know, were just kids, not

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Speaker 4: We've seen, you know, the crowd was was definitely packed,

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Speaker 1: So then how does the how does you going from

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean you gotta I gotta think my parents,

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Speaker 4: to be a part of it, right Lana, you know,

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Speaker 1: You man, but it ain't even worth it because you

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Speaker 2: Everyone says that.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I have to say his his how well he

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Speaker 3: It taught me a lot, It made it made me

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Speaker 4: Uh quickly, you those what six seven months I was

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 5: Can I say something as a person who went to college,

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Speaker 5: So even though you didn't get to the college experience

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Speaker 5: So it makes sense to me why you were jettison

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Speaker 2: And yeah, So just segueing to the NBA.

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Speaker 2: You get drafted by the Hawks.

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Speaker 1: You're from Atlanta, uh and the Hawks, like the team

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Speaker 4: Like for you, I think it was like thirteen and

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Speaker 4: from a from a winning standpoint, it was tough. It

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Speaker 4: I'm just I'm happy that I'm happy the commissioner.

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Speaker 3: Call my name. So, so it was, it was, it

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Speaker 4: It was definitely an experience. It was a learning experience.

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Speaker 3: Uh, he was a great vet man.

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Speaker 4: It was a great example of of a vent that

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Speaker 3: Let let let let him have it for his uh his.

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Speaker 3: They they helped me.

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Speaker 4: Kind of maturity wise, close that gap, you know what

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Speaker 3: I was, I was. I'm a kid.

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Speaker 4: So I'm kid around a whole bunch of grown, grown

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Speaker 3: Like the veteran would get on your.

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Speaker 5: So you had to you had to go get them

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Speaker 3: Because the jeans was so wild. We did it.

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Speaker 5: And that was Kevin Willis's That was as we're speaking

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Speaker 5: and Walker. Yeah, it was out of Atlanta, so, I

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Speaker 4: His whole purpose was getting it was getting around games

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Speaker 3: And it was brought like twenty pair like sure sure.

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Speaker 3: My bad. I just remember that. I have to bring

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but things like that, man, just I would

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Speaker 3: I would have to. I would have to credit the veterans.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. The veterans helped me understand

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Speaker 4: It's like dating, you know what I'm saying. Like, you know,

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Speaker 3: This was this was a little better, you know what

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Speaker 4: Like so it's like it's like understanding, understanding things and

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Speaker 4: So you know, emotions have to be kind of left

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Speaker 5: How long did it take you in the league before

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Speaker 3: How many years?

442
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 4: I say when I when I when.

443
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 3: I thought I was supposed to be All Star and

444
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 3: I wasn't, that's when it really sunk in. Yeah, that's

445
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 3: when it really it really sunk in that.

446
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 4: Uh, And I'm gonna have to say, well, I wouldn't

447
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 4: even say that was my first one. I say when

448
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 4: I was when I was resigned to dogs and I

449
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 4: was a restricted free agent.

450
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: That's when I year was that trying to figure.

451
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: Out was that your first deal after the rookie deal?

452
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 4: My first my first deal left my rookie deal, So

453
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 4: it might have been I.

454
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: Want to say, oh nine, and this is fresh off okay,

455
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: this is fresh off two seasons where you have one

456
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 1: hundred steals and two hundred blocks in the season. You're

457
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: the only player other than carolinco Ewing, Ben Wallace, David

458
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: Robinson and hikeem olajuwon to do that multiple times. So

459
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: you do that in like year three or four?

460
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: Did you know that I had no idea?

461
00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 4: He shot that feed up to me when it you

462
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 4: have a conversation, Yeah, about.

463
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: A week ago, I had no idea.

464
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 4: I hadn't if I'm trying to figure out if my

465
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 4: agent knew that going into the meeting, man, maybe you

466
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 4: could have shot that out there.

467
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 3: We gotside a little quicker.

468
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: So you thought, you thought, and like rightfully so, that

469
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: your play would have warranted like a bidding war because

470
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: you're a restricted free agent, so teams can basically throw

471
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: money and then it's on the Hawks to either match

472
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: it or let you walk. And what happened, just like

473
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: the offers that you thought didn't come in, your agent

474
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 1: was giving you information and then you ended up settling

475
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 1: with the Hawks.

476
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 4: No, I met a couple. I met a couple of teams.

477
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 4: I met a couple of teams that the year. I'm

478
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 4: not going to say who because it's irrelevant now, but

479
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 4: met with a couple of teams. Show they showed me

480
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 4: a couple of offers. They showed me like an offer sheet,

481
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 4: but they was kind of nervous to nervous to kind

482
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 4: of like issue like offer it to me because the

483
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 4: Hawks was telling everybody they was gonna match any deal.

484
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. So so that's what you know, that's what

485
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 3: they do.

486
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 4: They try to tell everybody around the league that they're

487
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 4: gonna match whatever. They might not even match it, but

488
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 4: that's just that's just gonna put fear in people's hearts

489
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 4: to even offer you the money.

490
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: So the team hasn't really really want you.

491
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 4: And and by the grace of God, Memphis offered me

492
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 4: an offer sheet and I signed it, and uh, I

493
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 4: have to say lessen a minute later, they they you

494
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 4: know they.

495
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 5: Once you get that one, yeah, they'll call the team

496
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 5: that they ain't cool with. That'd be like, I need

497
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 5: you to make this. I need you to run it up,

498
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, so you can take it.

499
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 5: So then I got you with two players on the

500
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 5: roster when we absolutely with the game.

501
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

502
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 4: So you know, my agents had an idea, had had

503
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 4: some increments that they was gonna sign. But they did

504
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 4: a great job at Vincent Memphis to go ahead and

505
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: do it, you know, the the sitting off route. But

506
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 4: they picked it up like that, like the Hawks picked

507
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 4: it up as soon as I signed it. So it

508
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 4: was like a conversation with like, congratulations, you're coming back.

509
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 4: And I was so stressed out during during the process.

510
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 4: I'm like, y'all could have offered me a little lesson

511
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 4: as I would have signed it. But y'all, you know

512
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 4: what I mean, y'all was y'all was y'all were being unreasonable.

513
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, It was like super unreasonable.

514
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 4: But things happen for a reason, and they opened my

515
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 4: eyes to the league being big business.

516
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 5: Also coming on the heels of a lot of players

517
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 5: come to high school not having success after that first deal.

518
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 5: Absolutely there's the josh of the world, and there's a

519
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 5: couple of other person not that it's their fault or

520
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 5: or I'm hayten. There's a couple of stories where after

521
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 5: that first three or four year deal, that second deal,

522
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 5: people got a bag and didn't put up a hundred

523
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 5: and wutu woo and be up there with Patrick Ewing

524
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 5: and everything. So like that's part of what you learn

525
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 5: when the business and you get older. But you know

526
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 5: what I mean, But that also all the more of

527
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 5: the credit to you, because you could have easily been

528
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 5: in this situation where after the first deal, you know,

529
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 5: you low balled, you're almost out of the league because

530
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 5: it didn't pan up. But you have to put yourself

531
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 5: in a position to be you know what I mean,

532
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 5: one phone call away from Nah we'll do it, you

533
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So that's only a happy credit

534
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 5: or fault to you. Things that you don't realize when

535
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 5: you're playing, you know what I mean. Like when you

536
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 5: get older, you become a little bit more wisdom, be like, ah,

537
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, I see what happened there.

538
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 5: So I just like to remind players because I've been there,

539
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 5: not in a situation where you have obviously where you

540
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 5: know there's tons and tons of money on the line,

541
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 5: but having a good year and thinking you're supposed to

542
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 5: get you know, X amount, and I'm gonna go right back.

543
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 5: I'll go for less. I just want to go back

544
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 5: and be here for the next three years. And they

545
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 5: don't know that your agent necessarily doesn't tell them that

546
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 5: it's their job not to tell them that you're comfortable

547
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 5: to take your best mind me because then they get

548
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 5: the money. So just in the tagle web of the

549
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 5: stuff we do, I just like to remind players, you know,

550
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 5: or ask them, do that think about those type of things,

551
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 5: like you know, when we're playing, because really when we're playing,

552
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 5: we're playing.

553
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: I feel like.

554
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 4: We don't we don't man and and it's okay not

555
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 4: to man be selfish in those moments like we're young,

556
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: we have a window, you know what I'm saying, So

557
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 4: maximize the window that you see in front of you

558
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 4: and be selfish, man, be selfish with everything, you know,

559
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, when you get older,

560
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 4: you're gonna appreciate you giving yourself that opportunity to be

561
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 4: to see all those things through. Because God doesn't give

562
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 4: everybody the talent to play. To be able to be

563
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 4: a professional athlete, you know what I mean. And that's

564
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 4: whether you play in the NBA or you play overseas.

565
00:27:53,800 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 4: You're a professional. So you have to be able to

566
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 4: handle that gift accordingly.

567
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

568
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: So uh, you know, you know, the devil gives out

569
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 4: all kinds of distractions when you make it. You know,

570
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 4: you have women, you have gambling, you have h a

571
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 4: lot of things. You got, you got clubs, you got,

572
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: you got partying, So it's like gambling, you got everything.

573
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 4: So it's it's at the end of the day, it's like,

574
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: how can you minimize those distractions as a professional, especially

575
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 4: when you obtained what you feel like it's necessary to

576
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: to to be cool for the rest of your life.

577
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, So it's like.

578
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 4: Be selfish in those moments of wanting to be the

579
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: best player that you can be, you know what I mean.

580
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 4: So so when you get older, you can appreciate and

581
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: value that you did that for yourself, you know, because

582
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 4: you know, as an athlete, that's probably the biggest thing, uh,

583
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: And biggest fears that we that we face is just regret,

584
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: you know, regret with you know, certain certain decisions, you know,

585
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 4: all those things that I name, you know, holding on

586
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 4: one of those things, and and it's it's taking the

587
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: control of your life.

588
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't I don't think we we

589
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: think about that, you know.

590
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 4: Uh. You know, when you're younger, you're more emotional too,

591
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like especially when you invested so

592
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 4: much time and emotion into an organization and you feel

593
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 4: like they don't feel the same way, you know what

594
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: I mean. So a lot of that is like all

595
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: all of that kind of plays into to to to

596
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 4: the factors of the decisions that players make.

597
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: We know that the like money and women and gambling

598
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: and drinking is like the obvious ices and distractions. Is

599
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: there something that that just caught you like totally and

600
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: for both of you. That caught you like totally off

601
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: guard once you did make money and make the league, Like,

602
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: I gotta worry about this too. Is there anything that

603
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: like the common fan wouldn't really expect that is a

604
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: common thread for athletes and people that make good money.

605
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 5: I can say this, Yeah, I can. I can say this,

606
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 5: and then I want to know how Josh felt, and

607
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 5: I'll be I've lost a lot of NBA players with

608
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: different experiences, all stars, Hall of famers, the whole gamut.

609
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: I can say this, and you know you could take

610
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 5: this for what it was. I can say when I

611
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 5: got to the NBA, I was disappointed just a little bit.

612
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 5: The thing that I saw on television wasn't the thing

613
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 5: that I was experiencing. What Josh talked about the business side,

614
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 5: you know, the game within the game, just even meeting

615
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 5: some of your heroes and knowing their personalities and like,

616
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like you're supposed to help me,

617
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 5: you turning your back on me or you feel in

618
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 5: some type of way because I'm young, and you know

619
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 5: what I mean. I was just a little disappointed, not

620
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 5: to wear a cave.

621
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: It was just a.

622
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 5: The coaches, you know, learning the different dynamic of the

623
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 5: coaches and the tangled web that they got and how

624
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 5: they're trying to do the same thing we do to

625
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 5: move chairs over, and it was just like a really,

626
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 5: I thought we were supposed to hoop. There's a multitude

627
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 5: of other things going on that I know. I can't

628
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 5: just hoop.

629
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: And you know what I mean.

630
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 5: I got family and a little bit of money and

631
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 5: I'm living out my dream and I'm young, and we

632
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 5: can't just hoop. So I would say that's the part

633
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 5: of the disappointed me a little bit, and it took

634
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 5: me back a little while. And I didn't have good vets.

635
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 5: Had some veterans, but they write the words that they

636
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 5: weren't the ones that I needed at the time for

637
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 5: me to advance. And I wasn't as confident as Josh.

638
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 5: Josh was confident. I don't know if I was parents

639
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 5: you call it bullheaded it or whatever. Josh was good

640
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 5: and letting one to go in one year and out

641
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 5: the other and understand getting the message I will take

642
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 5: it and think about like think about it before it

643
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 5: went throughout the other year. Josh came with whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop,

644
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 5: good what he needed and I'll let him finish. He

645
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 5: could tell this story, but I just know because I

646
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 5: saw it, and Josh, you know, athletic, he was smarter

647
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 5: than you thought he was basketball IQ wise, you know

648
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 5: what I mean. So if you didn't talk to him

649
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 5: the right way, he didn't need it. It's like I

650
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 5: don't need I learned this from Coach Smith to Okillhummy,

651
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 5: you know I've already been appro the last six seven months.

652
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 5: So I'll let him speak to his miss. But mine

653
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 5: was a little disappointment as to the other things that

654
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 5: led to you not being able to play your best game. Man,

655
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 5: damn uh, that was definitely one of them. Man, Uh

656
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 5: what you something?

657
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: You like that?

658
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 4: You summed it up that that and probably see I had,

659
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 4: like I like, I had the vent that I needed

660
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 4: I needed a swine walker. If an twine walker wasn't

661
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: on that team for that for that first half of

662
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: the year, I didn't. I didn't know how it would

663
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 4: I don't know, because you know, I had Kevin Willis.

664
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 4: He was fucking with me the whole time. But he

665
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 4: was a good dude though, but he was he was

666
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: old fast, Like I gotta mess with this, I gotta

667
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: mess with this rook I have to mess with him.

668
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: Like what which is okay?

669
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: Like take the bags?

670
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, just anything like it was.

671
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 4: It was different back then, like it was a little

672
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: bit more. It's a little bit more, more more reckless then,

673
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 4: like taking the bags is easy. I couldn't wait to

674
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: take the bags like you want me to take the bags.

675
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 4: As a rookie, it was like messing with you type stuff,

676
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But Antoine was teaching me

677
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 4: the game. No no, no disrespect to Al Harrington, but

678
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 4: he was. He was he was a contract year, so

679
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 4: he couldn't He didn't have the time. He'd had the

680
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 4: time to show me. And that's that's what Juliani kind

681
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: of is talking about when it comes to like, uh,

682
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: the game within the game, like you know, uh I

683
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: was We probably played the same position, so he didn't

684
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: have time to show me how to take his minutes.

685
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, nobody's gonna really do

686
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 4: that unless they like on the way out of the league,

687
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, and nobody's gonna try

688
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 4: to tell a young guy how to maneuver and manipulate

689
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 4: offenses and defenses and and not going to show you

690
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 4: how to deal with everything.

691
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: They just gonna sit back and see how you how

692
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 3: you handle it? Was this before?

693
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: Was this so or after Antoine like went through what

694
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: he went through? Was this because you're saying this is.

695
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: Before Antoine was having it.

696
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: Antoine and Twina come to the He'll come to on

697
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: the plane with thirty thousand dollars in his book bad

698
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 4: He's like and nobody nobody's gambling, Like nobody on the

699
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 4: team was gambling. Then he was just whatever city we

700
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 4: go to, he had like cheer, he took care of it,

701
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: took took care of people. In Chicago, he had a

702
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 4: lot of charity games and stuff like that where I

703
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 4: met Michael Jordan for the first time playing softball at

704
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: one of his events and I'm just just anaw and uh.

705
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was a story story. But if you was

706
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 5: his teammate, there was he pull up to the crib,

707
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 5: if he's shopping, you shopping, If he eat and you.

708
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 4: Eat, Like if you need it you need to borrow

709
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 4: a car, He'll let you borrow for for a month

710
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 4: or two two months. He wouldn't even ask for it back.

711
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 4: I think, uh, Royal Ivy or one of my other

712
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: teammates and Dante Smith.

713
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: It was crazy, Yeah, crazy legs. I don't think we

714
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: one of us did.

715
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: One of them too, didn't have a car for like

716
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 4: the first couple of months, and in the season, I

717
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 4: think he gave gave gave one his trucks, you know

718
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So he was a guy like that

719
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 4: you needed if you you didn't you feel like you

720
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 4: couldn't afford the suits, get your get you a couple

721
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 4: of them. So I'll just definitely say what Jilani said,

722
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 4: and just these just random people trying to be your friend,

723
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like trying to figure out

724
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 4: how they get access to these little places, uh and

725
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 4: these little venues that.

726
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: You got that you have to be at, and they

727
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: just they try to get up under you.

728
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 4: So I think I think things like that too are

729
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 4: are probably the hardest kind of transition transitioning things that

730
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 4: a young player has to deal with.

731
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: So going back real quick to the actions to Atlanta,

732
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: your arrival there coincides with Mike Woodson. There's a little

733
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: bit of like an Indiana tye in too. He went

734
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: to Indiana, you were committed there, didn't end up going

735
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: And I mean you got to give it to Woody

736
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: in one sense that every year that he was there,

737
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: the team did get better. I mean that's what it

738
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 1: seems like from the outside. But I know that maybe

739
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: some people did have problems with you. For both of

740
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: you perspectives haven't been there, Like what was what was

741
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: Woody as a coach, like as your you know, as

742
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: a nineteen eighteen year old coming in and what give

743
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: it paint that picture of what Mike Woodson was like.

744
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: For me?

745
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: It was it was kind of it was difficult. It

746
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: was definitely difficult for me. I mean, see, people got

747
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: to understand Woody came from the.

748
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: Era of.

749
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: Larry Brown Bobby Knight.

750
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 4: You got Bobby Knight first, got the share throw first,

751
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: and then you have Larry Brown. And the common denominator

752
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 4: in both of those two is they didn't like young

753
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 4: young kids. They didn't like they don't like young guys,

754
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: they didn't like rookies, they didn't like freshman's in college,

755
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: they didn't like none of that. So he definitely took

756
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: that that philosophy with him. So, like you said, the

757
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 4: game within the game, you can you can imagine a

758
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 4: coach not really wanting to to play a young kid,

759
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: and the organization is telling them to play, you know

760
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: what I mean, because of uh, the excitement that I'm

761
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 4: bringing to the game, you know what I mean. Like,

762
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: so it's like it's like me telling you to do

763
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: something with your job, controlling in your mind what I want,

764
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: what I want you to what I want you to do,

765
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 4: and you're not and you don't want to do it,

766
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: but you have to if you don't want to get fired,

767
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 4: You're gonna you're gonna kind of resent me a little bit, right,

768
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 4: You're gonna resent You're gonna resent some a little bit, right,

769
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 4: just and I and I'm just like the innocent by standing.

770
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: Not knowing what the hell is going on, you know

771
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: what I mean.

772
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: So it was like, you know, you you you're a kid,

773
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: and you you see how like your coach is coaching

774
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 4: other players versus how they're coaching you, you.

775
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

776
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 4: So like you you I'm not I'm not a sensitive

777
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 4: guy and I never was so, but it was it

778
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 4: was to the point where it was like you gotta

779
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: talk to me like that a little bit, you know

780
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like you can't just talk to me

781
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: like this one hundred. You gotta talk to me? How

782
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: you talking to the other guys a little bit? And

783
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 4: it was kind of it never happened. So it was

784
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 4: like a lot of it was a lot of head button.

785
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 4: That a lot of head button because we were both strong,

786
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 4: strong minded individuals. But we got better because we had

787
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 4: a lot of great players that come on our team,

788
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I kind of feel

789
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 4: like we didn't do what we should have done with

790
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 4: the talent that we had. No no disrespect to no

791
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 4: coach that was in that position. But like you said, Jelani,

792
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 4: we was in. We was in the We was in

793
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: a position where uh we had like nine owners at

794
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 4: the time and uh and I think they were just

795
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 4: they was offering who who who would take I think

796
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 4: it was like the less paid coach in the NBA,

797
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: like Who's gonna take this little money to beat his

798
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: head coach? And he want, you know, and he was

799
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 4: the first year coaching he took it. So like if

800
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 4: we had like you know, if we had like a

801
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 4: if we had like a really really respectable uh coaching

802
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 4: staff at the coaching staff season coaching staff at the time,

803
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 4: because you know, we had a lot of We had

804
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 4: a lot of talent.

805
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 3: Man.

806
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: We had Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, who I think he

807
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 4: got six men in a year two times for us, Uh,

808
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: Mike Bibbie, uh Kirk Kirk, Hirik, Al Horford, Marvin Williams.

809
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: Like we we had a lot of guys where Joe

810
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: where it could have where it could have made sense,

811
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: where we could have went and did something really special.

812
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: And you know, it didn't work out like that.

813
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 4: But you know, like I said, I wouldn't take nothing

814
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 4: back from the experiences that I had. I was I was,

815
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 4: I was young, I was figuring it out, and like

816
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 4: Jolani said, I did a great job at staying focused

817
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 4: and being confident and confident in myself. You know what

818
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 4: I'm saying, because if I wasn't confident in myself, I

819
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 4: can easily see how an eighteen year old could come

820
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 4: in the league and just.

821
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: Get at eighteen nineteen years old, stop it. You did

822
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: a great job. For sure, you did a great job.

823
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: Thank you.

824
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. But yeah, we definitely had our disagreements.

825
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 4: But I'm older now, I see things from a different

826
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 4: lens now, and I'm a coach too now.

827
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: But uh, the thing that I took from that.

828
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 4: Is I'll never leave a player broken, you know what

829
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, if I have to get on a player,

830
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: I'm not just gonna just We're not gonna not talk

831
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 4: about it for twenty four hours. You know what I'm saying,

832
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call them, We're gonna discuss it. I'm gonna

833
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 4: give him the reason why. And I'm a coach where

834
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 4: it's fair game. I'm like a Popovich, So like I'm

835
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 4: getting on my best player, so the tenth player on

836
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: the bench can't complain when I get on him, you

837
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So everybody gets coached the same,

838
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: but it is a different way. I kind of do

839
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 4: it because I know my players now, but they all

840
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 4: know that I'm I'm I'm there for them and I

841
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: want their best interest. That's That's all a player wants

842
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 4: to know at the end of the day, is if

843
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: the coach is down with them one hundred percent, no

844
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 4: matter what is going on in that moment, Because we're

845
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 4: at war, you know what I'm saying. We're battling, so

846
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 4: anything can be said and in the heat of the moment,

847
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, so you know, as long

848
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 4: as I know that you're down with me, I won't

849
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: take anything personally.

850
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 3: That's you know what I mean?

851
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: Right Like, if it like I feel like anybody wants

852
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: to get coached, anybody wants to get you know, constructively, coach,

853
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: you're doing this wrong, do this. But if you're not saying,

854
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: if you're not also at the same time, knowing that

855
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: that coach really likes you and like wants you to

856
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: succeed as a person, I could see that how that

857
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: could completely mess with your head, especially as it year old.

858
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was. I was young man. I was

859
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 3: eighteen when I am. And it's.

860
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: Question, yeah, but you got he's why did he show

861
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: up at the game with no eyebrows? Did you ever

862
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of that? And is it is

863
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: it true that you put did you put the velcrow

864
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: on him?

865
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: I put the velcrow on him.

866
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 4: We were trying to was trying to get him right, man,

867
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 4: We was trying to get him right. But he was

868
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: a cigar smoker. So uh, I think uh he had

869
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 4: one of flames to God, yeah, so I think he

870
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 4: I think he did one of them them numbers like.

871
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: That and off it blewed, it, it blew. The real

872
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 3: was right old off man. So I tried. I tried

873
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: to improvise from a dog man. I tried to improvise

874
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: for him. That's crazy.

875
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 5: So is it fair to say Josh for as much

876
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 5: as what he was what he was in your relationship

877
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 5: coming from Indiana being a hard ass old school coach.

878
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 5: Was there some moments in there that that you guys

879
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 5: were cool or did have a safe space to at

880
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 5: least Joe, because I find it's funny like you can

881
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 5: both can be true. You can be beefing with a

882
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 5: coach as a player but agree with him as a person.

883
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, we definitely had moments like that. Yeah, absolutely

884
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 4: we had moments like that. We definitely had moments like that. Man,

885
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 4: we're around we'll ride each other more than we are

886
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 4: around our spouses.

887
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: And our kids. So you know you're gonna have You're

888
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: gonna have friction days.

889
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 4: You're gonna have days where where you know, everybody's getting

890
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: along and kumbayai and we're agreeing.

891
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 3: So definitely was some moments. It was. It was some moments.

892
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: It was some moments of it was some moments of joking.

893
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: You know what, I'm saying, but I was more so

894
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 4: of like I like to I like to get I

895
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 4: like to be with my teammates, you know what I'm saying.

896
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 4: Like I was a teammate type of dude, So like

897
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 4: kind of like building an individual relationship with a coach.

898
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 4: It was more and so with my teammates because I

899
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 4: had to I had to be in the fire with

900
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 4: them more so than with anybody else. So getting the chemistry,

901
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: learning and knowing my teammates like in and out was

902
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 4: more important to meet than anything.

903
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: How was that All Star Weekend experience your rookie year,

904
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: you end up winning the dunk contest?

905
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: If you go for the dunk contest.

906
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: Are you like kind of in your own on silo

907
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: or you still like mingling and chilling with like the

908
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: All Star All Stars.

909
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: I was in my own world.

910
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 4: I had I had my I had, I had my partner,

911
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 4: my best friend, Michael Cash.

912
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: He went to UGA at the time.

913
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 4: He flew out with UH with with another buddy of

914
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 4: mine named Andy Gates, and we were just riding around. Man,

915
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 4: we was riding around. I think uh my agent was

916
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: agents with Kenya Martin, so I was able to kick

917
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 4: it with him. A little bit, and uh, we was

918
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: able to I was able to get in a couple

919
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 4: of little places with him, and uh, it was a

920
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 4: great experience, man. It was a great experience, uh for

921
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 4: me and my friends.

922
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: And it was like one that I can I can

923
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: remember each and every day, like like it was yesterday.

924
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: It was. It was. It was a fun experience for me.

925
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: You want to talk about what you saw him doing

926
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: an empty gym.

927
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember, Josh, but after a

928
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 5: practice in Atlanta once we had a dunk off. I

929
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 5: think it was me, you chill. I don't know if

930
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 5: it was bores for some reason, there was somebody in

931
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 5: there that was in there that shouldn't been here. It

932
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 5: just but it was definitely crazy leg. It was me

933
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 5: and you crazy leg Josh.

934
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then I don't know if you remember, bro,

935
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: I had crazy legs. I yeah that I got. I

936
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: had to hit him with it, you know, still tell

937
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: him myself, what's up? Man? Yeah? Yeah?

938
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, But you Josh threw the ball off the floor, y'all.

939
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 5: And he did like a modified windmill. I don't know

940
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 5: whether it was the way he turned or something that

941
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 5: he did. His feet went up in the air. He

942
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 5: went from like six nine to six five. It just

943
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 5: looked like the sweetest ship ever. And then he did

944
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 5: it and everybody kind of like paused and about the

945
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 5: ball bounced. Everybody was kind of like looked around like

946
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 5: what just happened? And I threw the ball to Josh.

947
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 5: I was like, do it again, and he was like

948
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 5: what did I do? And I was like, man, I

949
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 5: think I was like, thank God, because if he can

950
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 5: just do that, you know what I mean? Repeatedly, I

951
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 5: was like, I was like, there ain't no way, bro.

952
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't even if you could have

953
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 5: seen what we saw, because everybody was like one of

954
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 5: the moments in the league. You know, in the league,

955
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 5: after practice, people start doing weird shit. I seen fitz

956
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 5: Carter throw a chest pass the link of the basketball

957
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 5: court after practice one time. Dang, And then he had

958
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 5: everybody trying to do it, you know what I mean,

959
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 5: That's what happens after practice. She crazy shit like that.

960
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 5: And then everybody was like a little money down on it,

961
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 5: like there's no way. If he can do it, I

962
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 5: can do it. Put put some money up, you know,

963
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 5: and everybody huddle around. But that was one thing for Josh.

964
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 5: But after I seen I was like, yeah, ain't nobody six'

965
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 5: nine his. Height he's supposed to be doing that like

966
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 5: young fellas gonna be winning done contests and be all

967
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 5: right and sure, enough you know WHAT i? Mean sure

968
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 5: coming down the, line that's what he was known for

969
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 5: and taking off with that left hand and doing stuff

970
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 5: other people his size really wasn't. Doing josh Was he

971
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 5: was in that wave where he was a power. Forward

972
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 5: but was he a power forward because he can dribble

973
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 5: and guard different? Positions he really should have been a

974
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 5: small forward because the power forwards were all still in his.

975
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 5: Era back to the, Basket, Yeah timmy was stepping out

976
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 5: and going off. GLASS kg was showing the little, fifteen

977
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 5: but really he was playing the three to, four the

978
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 5: second team. Five if they brought in like a Stroll

979
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 5: mile or somebody that was leaning, athletic No Freaky smooth

980
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 5: would be doing. That so in this, Era Jay smooth

981
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 5: is like a one through five like a. Unicorn what

982
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 5: could you did?

983
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: YOU i, mean you're definitely like a versatile. Defender was

984
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: there any type of player that that like might have

985
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: given you?

986
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: Problems? Like was it the small?

987
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: Guard was it the super big post up guy or

988
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: did you feel like like was there Any achilles heel

989
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: to who you could?

990
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: Guard?

991
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 3: Not WHEN i really started to like.

992
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: Watch the game of, basketball you know What i'm, Saying

993
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 4: like watching it all day, long like on my days,

994
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 4: off watching different, different different, players it wasn't really like

995
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 4: ONCE i really knew the, game it. Wasn't it wasn't

996
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 4: a PLAYER i THINK i LED LT i don't know

997
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 4: what year, was maybe two. YEARS i led the league

998
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 4: in like isol percentages on like defensively like not getting scored.

999
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 3: On so it was LIKE I i studied.

1000
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 4: It but WHEN i was, younger, MAN i MEAN i

1001
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 4: was give With arenas off the pick and. Rolls he

1002
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: was before those. Injuries he was a blur with the

1003
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 4: ball and was Like Steph curry Before Steph curry shooting

1004
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 4: the ball from almost half, COURT.

1005
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: I say, him and probably, UH.

1006
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 4: I Say carmelo When carmelo WHEN i was WHEN i was,

1007
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 4: younger knowing how to knowing how to like take that

1008
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 4: bump that he gives you and being able to like

1009
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 4: stay like like still move you move you get you

1010
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 4: right on out of. There, yeah it won't look like

1011
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 4: nothing but just a, move you, know WHAT i.

1012
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: Mean you all the way at the other. Box what the?

1013
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: Hell yea? Facts so guys like, THAT i, Say, Randolph

1014
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 3: Zach randolph.

1015
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 4: Battling. Him, no, no, no not More Zach. RANDOLPH i

1016
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 4: Mean Zach randolph battling. Him it was you'll be bruised

1017
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 4: man putting ice bags on.

1018
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: That one more question about the dunk contest Beating mari

1019
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: And julyn AND i were. Talking you can include yourself

1020
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i think like you really could give us Your

1021
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: Matt rushmore for big man dunkers of all?

1022
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: Time so gotta be a four or? Five who are

1023
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: the best for big man dunkers?

1024
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 4: Ever mm Hmm Shawn? Camp, Wow Sean? Camp is he number?

1025
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 4: One that's WHAT i.

1026
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 3: Said the things that he did with you got on

1027
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: Some josh highlights is.

1028
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: Crazy and they let, You they let. You you want

1029
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: back then so you could point at, people you could, like, right.

1030
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 3: You can hold your, nuts you know WHAT i?

1031
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 4: Mean what about uh from Six dawkins gotta Go, dawkins

1032
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 4: gotta put him on? There you said phone, five, RIGHT

1033
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 4: i gotta go check Young. Shack he was destroying the

1034
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 4: Room orlando.

1035
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 3: AND i gotta. Go Uh.

1036
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 5: Dwight howen that's about who we had With, josh and

1037
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 5: he didn't throw itself in there and make.

1038
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: Five there you.

1039
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: Go SO i THINK i think snubs from.

1040
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: That you, Know i'm just Being i'm being.

1041
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: HOME i think you're the dunk against the dude on

1042
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: The Bobcats. Primo where the sound of that? DUNK i

1043
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: don't Think i've ever. HEARD i think that might be

1044
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: the best sounding poster ever.

1045
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 3: Exploded, YEAH i tried. TO i used to try to.

1046
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: Break a backboard or shatter a, backboard break a.

1047
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: RIM i broke a, rim not a, backboard, though never

1048
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: shattered a.

1049
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: Backboard so winding down, Here, uh like you said The atlanta,

1050
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: TEAM i don't think you guys never made it past round?

1051
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: Two?

1052
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: Right you only got to round?

1053
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 3: Two? There no ye stays of the.

1054
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: Playoffs you take The, celtics the two thousand and Eight

1055
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: celtics that are still holding onto that. Ring you take

1056
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: them to seven, games The petulia famous the game seven

1057
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: uh speech After game?

1058
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 2: Six?

1059
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: What?

1060
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: Uh what iteration of The? Hawks do you feel like

1061
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: was the best the best? Team and then was.

1062
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: There a playoff series that you look back on and

1063
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: you feel like you really should have?

1064
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: WON i feel like was it after after we, won

1065
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 4: that's when we started picking picking. UP i think when

1066
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 4: we got Bibby Jamal. Crawford, UH i think that that's

1067
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 4: that was Like, kirk we was LIKE i think we

1068
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 4: was like we was for real that that. Year uh

1069
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 4: those years and, man we Had lebron in The East.

1070
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 4: Man so it's, like you, know saying saying we should

1071
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 4: have won the series is kind of crazy to. Say

1072
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 4: i'm had to, SAY i think we Played, chicago, YEP i,

1073
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 4: know and we could have won that, series but it

1074
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 4: was a young dere m V p or something like

1075
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 4: he's m V p of that, year so it was,

1076
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 4: like come, on, man What, Mike mike's supposed to, Do.

1077
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 4: Mike so it was it was the times THAT i

1078
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 4: wish that we just. DIDN'T i wish we had put

1079
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 4: up a little bit more of a. Fight though in

1080
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 4: some of THOSE i think we lost five games to

1081
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: Like cleveland and like five To chicago or something like.

1082
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 4: THAT i feel LIKE i feel, like, yeah, yeah we

1083
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 4: we lost To, orlando but we called him the next,

1084
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 4: year we beat him next.

1085
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: Year that was the end Of.

1086
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 3: Dwight so we gotta look. Back we gotta look back

1087
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: with That dwight.

1088
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 2: Was there THAT i think he. LEFT i think that

1089
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: a year after, THAT i think THAT i think, That.

1090
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah how it Was Joe. Johnson we

1091
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: did really, good really, good really good. MAN i Sold.

1092
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 4: JOE i think about what eighty five percent of our

1093
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 4: office was ran was run Through, joe so uh for.

1094
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: A very good.

1095
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 5: Reason Joe, johnson like chapter forty, man people don't. Know

1096
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 5: people just think he.

1097
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 3: Ain't just he looked like he's big. Man he was

1098
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 3: like like one of three hundred. Soldiers, yeah like three

1099
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: hundred And.

1100
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 4: Uh he has to be one of one of my

1101
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 4: most clutch teammates. Ever game winners drawed up for. Him he's,

1102
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 4: gonna he's, gonna he's gonna he's gonna send the other

1103
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 4: team home for.

1104
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 3: Sure he did it a lot In, atlanta he Did,

1105
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: yeah and he did he did. It when he went To,

1106
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: brooklyn he did. It he did it. That he did

1107
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: it up there too a.

1108
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 4: Lot so HE i mean a guy that you can't speed,

1109
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 4: up super, smooth, uh isol killer, man a guy that

1110
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 4: can get you a buckets in many different, ways.

1111
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 5: Like Jamal mashburn without the micro factor surgery.

1112
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 3: Around. Yeah that sound about, right, right, yeah, yeah and

1113
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 3: get to where he wanted. TO i like that. COMPARISON

1114
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 3: i like that well, smooth this was, dope.

1115
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: MAN i think just closing, out like when you look

1116
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: back at your career and especially like You're atlanta, ten

1117
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: you're doing what you did in your hometown in front

1118
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: of friends and, Family, like you, know what.

1119
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: Is?

1120
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 3: It just like?

1121
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: Pride like how proud of you?

1122
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: Are?

1123
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: That what feelings do you have?

1124
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: Now BECAUSE i Know jelani and players talk about, it

1125
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: it's hard to kind of reflect back on your. Career

1126
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: you definitely don't do it when you're in the midst of.

1127
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: It have you Had are you in that mindset now

1128
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: where you're.

1129
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: Like completely at?

1130
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: Peace where do you kind of sit when you think

1131
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: about your you, know ten plus years OF nba.

1132
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 4: Service i'm, Thankful i'm. Blessed i'm definitely at peace with.

1133
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 4: It it took me a minute to get. Here it

1134
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 4: was it was moments WHERE i couldn't even couldn't even

1135
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 4: go to basketball games cause.

1136
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 3: You, know you know you don't like you, SAID i

1137
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: was good at doing, this but when you get, done

1138
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: like you lose your. Superpower, yeah you lose your.

1139
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 4: Superpower so it's like all of the confidence going like

1140
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 4: so it's now it's like, Damn you're thinking about like

1141
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 4: what DID i?

1142
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: Do what's going?

1143
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 4: On you, know you you it's a lot of things

1144
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 4: that you that you that you want answered that you're

1145
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 4: never going to get.

1146
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: Answered so it's like you have, to like you, said

1147
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: you have to be at peace with. Everything you know

1148
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 3: What i'm.

1149
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 4: Saying and the most thing that that was able to

1150
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 4: help me along the processes it is understanding the. Business you,

1151
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 4: know as you get, older you understand you become more

1152
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 4: business oriented and and and you think you think that way.

1153
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 3: Too SO.

1154
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 4: I can't be nothing but blessed and thankful for the

1155
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 4: opportunities THAT i. Had, MAN a lot of guys don't

1156
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 4: even get to play thirteen years in the. League so

1157
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 4: being able to stay that long out of high, school

1158
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 4: Hearing Jay billis say THAT i was gonna be the

1159
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 4: biggest bust in my.

1160
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 3: Draft to playing thirteen years in the, league it's a.

1161
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 3: Blessing and.

1162
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 4: You, KNOW, i you, know WHEN i look back at

1163
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 4: all the things That i've, Accomplished i'm. Thankful you, KNOW

1164
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 4: i didn't get Any All star knves might mighta got

1165
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 4: snubbed a couple of. Times but LIKE i, said everything

1166
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 4: happens for a. REASON i have four, kids three beautiful,

1167
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 4: sons athletic. Strong i'm giving them an opportunity to make

1168
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 4: it so they can experience it and and also be

1169
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 4: able to help guide them.

1170
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 3: And to making better decisions at a young. Age AND

1171
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 3: i did when it came to just.

1172
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 4: Getting coached and, understanding, understanding understanding things from that.

1173
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 3: Aspect you know what i.

1174
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 4: Mean, uh you know when you're, young you know you're

1175
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 4: trying to figure all that stuff out when you get

1176
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 4: to the.

1177
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: League uh do they talk to you like? This how

1178
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 3: do how do guys get? Coached what do they let you?

1179
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 3: Do how much free time do you? Have you know

1180
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 3: What i'm.

1181
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 4: Saying so all these things are or racing through a

1182
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 4: kid's mind when he first get get in, there And.

1183
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 3: I'm just and they definitely need, guidance you know What i'm.

1184
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 3: Saying so you, know the, veteran the veteran definitely helped

1185
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 3: me with. That SO i, mean But i'm.

1186
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 4: Good i'm, good And i'm blessed and thankful THAT i

1187
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 4: played the game SO i can be able to pass

1188
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 4: it down to my the players that's on my team

1189
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 4: and my kids.

1190
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 5: YEAH i wanted to put a pin in, That. Josh you,

1191
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 5: know welcome to the other. Side there's a lot of

1192
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 5: a lot of bros that don't make it to this.

1193
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 5: Side and it's still regretting going over. Regrets AND i

1194
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 5: should have made a laugh WHEN i went right. THERE

1195
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 5: i should have never done this person like. THAT i

1196
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 5: wish this person was still in my, life IF i

1197
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 5: would have just been a little bit more, communicative, present

1198
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 5: whatever it. Is and it's just you, know when your,

1199
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 5: career you're one of the best basketball players to ever play,

1200
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 5: basketball AND i feel like sometimes when our career don't

1201
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 5: end or they don't go on this trajectory as what

1202
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 5: a lot of people assume should be a slam dunk

1203
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 5: thing to, happen a lot of narratives get pushed and

1204
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 5: then guys just right off into the. Sunset we don't

1205
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 5: get a chance to meet who we ultimately are as a.

1206
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 5: PERSON a lot of, fans, teammates, players. Coaches if you

1207
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 5: want to get into coaching and you, know want to

1208
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 5: be interviewing for a position or somebody wants to come into.

1209
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 5: Program sometimes people's vision of you are the last thing

1210
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 5: they saw of you on a basketball. Court which is

1211
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 5: an ill is an ill mental space to be at

1212
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 5: the end of the. Day so as a person who

1213
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 5: saw you as that eighteen and nineteen year old of

1214
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 5: looking into your, eyes, now we're all not, perfect we're

1215
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 5: all not supposed to. Be but welcome to the other, side,

1216
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 5: bro because a lot of, Us you've seen a lot

1217
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 5: of us who don't get to the other side and

1218
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 5: they are still harping on the past and still got

1219
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 5: a lot of pain that they have to get. Over you,

1220
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 5: know maybe you still, do MAYBE i still. Do maybe

1221
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 5: we're all going to have our dark. Days but, bro

1222
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 5: it seems like to be you on the other, side

1223
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 5: and you're a person who deserves who's gave enough of

1224
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 5: his life to basketball that made big time contributions where

1225
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 5: you should see the benefits and if you want to

1226
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 5: be a, coach, analyst inventor basketball, product whatever it, is,

1227
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 5: Like i'm here to just know that it's good to

1228
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 5: see people on the other side and they are healthy

1229
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 5: enough to expect what's on the other. Side and you

1230
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 5: seem like you're there. Now AND i think that's a

1231
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 5: lot of What Forgotten seasons is, about not only you

1232
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 5: hearing your stats about what you said about like we

1233
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 5: talked about that earlier AND i didn't know. That but

1234
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 5: you need to know your. Contributions you need to know

1235
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 5: your worth outside of. Basketball there's only been five thousand of,

1236
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 5: us and you were one of the brightest stars of

1237
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 5: the five. Thousand so it's my job AND i feel

1238
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 5: like it's on me to part that information upon the

1239
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 5: bros when we're end the. Show during the, show, so

1240
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 5: LIKE i, said as a person who's seen you at

1241
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 5: eighteen nineteen years, old it's good to see you on

1242
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 5: the other side AND i think the. Future, yeah you're

1243
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 5: gonna be surprised how bright your future, is you know

1244
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 5: now that you stop.

1245
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: Playing thank. YOU i really appreciate, it really appreciate you'

1246
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 3: all for have me own is really good to. See

1247
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 3: was a.

1248
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 5: PLEASURE i can't wait to Call Crazy. Legs i'm get. You,

1249
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 5: Yeah i'm gonna get your. Number maybe we all get

1250
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 5: on the FaceTime or a call or. Something but definitely

1251
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 5: Tell Dante.

1252
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 3: Sam let's do. That, yeah, yeah for.

1253
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: Sure thank you for your time AND i will catch

1254
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: you next.

1255
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 3: Week