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Speaker 1: that's kind of the idea behind it. Yeah. Um, anyway,

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Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna do on this podcast. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you downloading again of course being a great part of

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Speaker 1: the Herd Podcast network. And we'll do college basketball, do

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Speaker 1: well once we get past the n c A Tournament. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're not yet gonna focus on the NBA. I know

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Speaker 1: quick thoughts. I have said this because I've been a

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Speaker 1: look at when dynasty's come to an end or when

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Speaker 1: teams it's injury is usually usually what happens first. It's

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Speaker 1: not as much who's better, it's who's healthy. Having the

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Speaker 1: Lakers several times when Byron Scott gets hurt back when

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Speaker 1: they had won back to back championships, you go to win.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers have won three in a row with Shack

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Speaker 1: was also injuries. Carl Malone got hurt. I think Rick

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Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons. Pistons might want to remember a different way

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Speaker 1: because they won four in a row after losing the

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Speaker 1: first game. But the truth is that the Lakers, even

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Speaker 1: though they were a dysfunctional mess, they would the series

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Speaker 1: would have been much more competitive if the second all

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Speaker 1: time leading scorer in NBA history was healthy. So the

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Speaker 1: Clay Tops injury is big. I we don't know at

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Speaker 1: if it's his wrist, I think it's his right hand

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Speaker 1: and how sharp will he be? And so you look

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Speaker 1: at Houston, which I do think has closed the gap somewhat.

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Speaker 1: that's a that's a sea change. Really in the Western Conference.

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Speaker 1: Houston's winning that one. And I'm fascinated to see with

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Speaker 1: I have a big board that's coming out on the athletic.

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Speaker 1: draft stuff once you guys get a chance to see

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this podcast, you're probably a pretty good

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Speaker 1: big basketball fan. Right. I wouldn't download All Ball Doug

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Speaker 1: I think hoop fans we do need to unite. We're

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Speaker 1: He's a recruiting guru, a college basketball savant four seven sports.

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hunter changes things dramatically. Um, but what when I

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Speaker 1: loses it little from one to nine stairs in the country.

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Speaker 1: So they've won just on sheer talent and coaching and

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Speaker 1: you know that. But I do think you haven't seen

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Speaker 1: really an a game this year. I guess even like

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Speaker 1: the first half of Seam Haul, they're up by like

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Speaker 1: a hundred, and then they just stopped playing in the

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Speaker 1: second half and they still won by twelve, but they

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Speaker 1: just stopped. So it's like you've seen the flashes for

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes of them playing their best ball, but not

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Speaker 1: a full game. Bryan Snow joining us on All Ball

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Speaker 1: Podcast Here, I'm Doug gottlieb. Okay, So, um, let's get

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Speaker 1: to Cincinnati. So I saw Cincinnati the American Athletic Conference Championship.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the American in

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Speaker 1: the second um and like, look, I called their NA

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Speaker 1: tournament games and you just kind of change out the

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Speaker 1: name plates, they're kind of the same, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: but you have Kyles Shington, who he's he's kind of mechanical,

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Speaker 1: but he can shoot the three, score a little bit inside,

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Speaker 1: pretty good rim protector. And then you have their you know,

447
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Speaker 1: you have their two studs and and and then you know,

448
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Speaker 1: what else is there really on this team in terms

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Speaker 1: of I'm told their offensive firepower is a lot better.

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Speaker 1: You got Gary Clark, who's just a really good all

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Speaker 1: around player, doesn't do anything terribly. He can make an

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Speaker 1: open three, he can post up a little bit. You've

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Speaker 1: got Jacob Evans, who was more of a mid range guy.

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Speaker 1: And then you got Jared Cumberland who's kind of like

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Speaker 1: an undersized four who can play out in the wing

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Speaker 1: for him and can you know, can can score pretty

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Speaker 1: much anywhere on the court. But there's no one place

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Speaker 1: in which he's great. He's just good. They just have

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Speaker 1: four really good basketball players. But that's when it kind

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Speaker 1: of gets a little fuzzy for me, because Kane Broom

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Speaker 1: is a low major, mid major combo guard who turns

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Speaker 1: it over and it's a high volume guy. And I

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Speaker 1: think he drives Mick crazy because he's he's kind of

464
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Speaker 1: so schizophrenic. So he starts justin Jennifer, who's just kind

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Speaker 1: of a ball mover, good athlete, good defender. It can

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Speaker 1: make a layup, and then there's just a massive drop

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Speaker 1: off because they're just such youth. Four scores is more

468
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Speaker 1: than most anybody in college basketball has, but they're not

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Speaker 1: like four scores scores. There are four guys that can

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Speaker 1: put the ball in the basket, and I just I

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Speaker 1: fear that everything kind of gets muddled and they get

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Speaker 1: into a slugfest with an inferior team and they get

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Speaker 1: popped earlier than they should. Is that a crazy assessment

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Speaker 1: of what Cincinnati ultimately will will become. You know, I

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Speaker 1: actually have them going to the Elite eight because I

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Speaker 1: think the brackets sets a well formed But to me,

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Speaker 1: if you look at like Nevada is a team that

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Speaker 1: really would concern me, as you know, if I was

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Speaker 1: a Cincinnati fan, because Cincinnati so solid defensively, but at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, if the team makes shots,

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Speaker 1: the team makes shot right, there's really not a whole

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Speaker 1: ton you can do about it. And Nevada is that

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Speaker 1: type of team. And can you see match without a

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Speaker 1: consistent point guard? As you said, A team who's really

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Speaker 1: making shots, especially threes. I don't see that now. I

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Speaker 1: think you see so solid in Gary Clark, such a

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Speaker 1: good player, just so many different things that they can

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Speaker 1: make a run. But to me, it comes found to

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Speaker 1: Jacob Evans. Is he going to have that alpha dog

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Speaker 1: personality which he's shown at times this year, but he's

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Speaker 1: never really been that dude? Well he should be that dude.

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Speaker 1: Not right now? I would be that in the tournament.

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Speaker 1: I would tell you that Nevada they're not the same

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Speaker 1: since they lost Lindsay Drew. And my my thought in

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Speaker 1: trying to fill out that bracket was that Cincinnati is

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Speaker 1: going to look at the San Diego State tape and say,

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Speaker 1: how do they undress them as at Vajas. How they

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Speaker 1: beat them again in Las Vegas and it was just

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Speaker 1: pressure ball pressure. The Martin Cody and Kayla Martin are

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Speaker 1: really good players, really good players, they're just not point guards.

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Speaker 1: They're more like three four men, right, and then Jordan

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Speaker 1: Caroline is a post, so they don't They can all

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Speaker 1: score and they can shoot, but the pressure is really

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Speaker 1: going to bother them. And no, since then he's not

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Speaker 1: a full court pressure team. But I just think they're

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Speaker 1: gonna get into them defensively, and and they'll get too

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Speaker 1: many you know, run out home run plays. I'm with

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Speaker 1: you if you make shots. I'm not buying the Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: is so much better offensively. I just struggle with that

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Speaker 1: bracket finding the team that that takes down Cincinnati. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's let's get do a couple of other things around

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Speaker 1: the country. Um, let's start with the American Conference, because

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Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. It feels like Tubby is going

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Speaker 1: to be fired, although he has not been fired yet.

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Speaker 1: Yukon's already made a change now since then has been

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Speaker 1: the dominant team. And they're the one team that they

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Speaker 1: took the high major players from the Big East. They

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Speaker 1: come to this conference and they keep on continuing on. Right,

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Speaker 1: They're the ones that have kind of stabilized things. Although

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Speaker 1: if I'm Mick, I may say, hey, this is the

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Speaker 1: year I get out, you know, losing too great seniors. Um,

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Speaker 1: but am I? Am I wrong to think that the

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Speaker 1: American is is killing Yukon and is killing Memphis Memphis

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Speaker 1: the opposite of Yukon Memphis. The league is better than

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Speaker 1: the one that used to be in and they're not

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Speaker 1: nearly as good obviously since since cal left, and you

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Speaker 1: can like, look, you can't get people to drive from

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Speaker 1: Hartford or to drive from uh Avon or whatever in

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Speaker 1: Connecticut to go to stores to see them play, you know,

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Speaker 1: East East Carolina or Two Lane or Central Florida, and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have trouble if they even they get Danny

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Speaker 1: Hurley in in landing the type of players they've landed previously,

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Speaker 1: in creating the excitement they've created had previously because of

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Speaker 1: their conference through no faults to the conference on its own. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's certainly something to that. But

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Speaker 1: I will say, you know, Kevin always he managed to

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Speaker 1: get guys like Altre Gilbert, Jalen Adams like he. Now

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Speaker 1: it's still not gonna be what it was under Jim Calhoun,

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Speaker 1: but I still think you can recruit to UK now.

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Speaker 1: The problem is where you have the same support as

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Speaker 1: you can or same support financially that you had when

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Speaker 1: they were a big East team. I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: the football aspect. You know, it's certainly not making money.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much it's losing, but I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: darn sure it's not making money. And are they putting

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Speaker 1: more time and resources from an administration perspective, into trying

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Speaker 1: to make football better. I think there's so much about

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Speaker 1: that job that has changed in the last fifth team years,

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Speaker 1: and it's all come to a head. Another interesting thing

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Speaker 1: about the American it's thriving in football because they're hiring young,

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Speaker 1: up and coming coaches Scott Frost, you know, guy who

552
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Speaker 1: just left for Oregon from South Florida, Willie Tack. They're

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Speaker 1: hiring young, up and coming guys coaches, whereas on the

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Speaker 1: basketball side, it's all retreat. It's all older guys who

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Speaker 1: have been fired, which I find interesting that a d

556
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Speaker 1: s are seeing a certain formula work in one sport

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Speaker 1: and going away from it in another sport, where a

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Speaker 1: lot of those programs are actually taking a dip down.

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Speaker 1: That's that's actually very interesting. Look. Kelvin Sampson is a retread,

560
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Speaker 1: but one that's been really good at at Houston. Obviously

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Speaker 1: Mick was already there, um, but Tubby is a retread.

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Speaker 1: Johnny Dawkins is a retread. Mike Done because I think

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Speaker 1: Mike Dunley has done a decent job in trying to

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Speaker 1: stabilize tu Lane, but you know he hadn't even coached

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Speaker 1: in college basketball, but an older name is opposed to young, energetic.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's a great point.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's the sports are different in that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the names of coaches have a tendency to

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Speaker 1: get the attention of recruits for whatever reason. Right, it

570
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: does tend to work out that way. But that's that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see what happens at the see

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Speaker 1: you what happens that you can what happens at Memphis?

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Speaker 1: Is it Memphis going? You know, I don't know a

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Speaker 1: young and up and comer. Do you think the Penny

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Speaker 1: thing will work? He better hire a staff that has

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Speaker 1: experienced in college basketball. And it's not even like the

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Speaker 1: X ANDOS thing. I don't know. Penny might be some

578
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Speaker 1: genius and Xos not even saying the issert. But there's

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Speaker 1: so much more to being a head coach then can

580
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Speaker 1: you draw up a play? It's you know, time management, media,

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Speaker 1: you know, discipline issues, everything that comes with being a

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Speaker 1: head coach, and you need someone who at least has

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Speaker 1: experience in that realm, even if it wasn't as a

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Speaker 1: head coach, but as a college basketball coach. Seeing someone

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Speaker 1: do it, and will he hire that staff or will

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Speaker 1: he hire his boys that you know he's known forever

587
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Speaker 1: to try to help him recruit, because yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you know what a head coach is doing. It's tough. Well,

589
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: so okay, I'll just uh. What's interesting is like the

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Speaker 1: game plan that he's that we think he's laying out

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Speaker 1: there is kind of the game plan that I was

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Speaker 1: laying out there for any of the jobs in which

593
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: I've talked to people about, which is like, you know,

594
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Speaker 1: you have to know enough about what you don't know

595
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, and and and hire people that do I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can hire Larry Brown. It's

597
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Speaker 1: a great name. There's you know, there's like ten big

598
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: names out there and you're good, you know, I was.

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Speaker 1: There's there's two guys that I liked um and it

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00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: wasn't because I have the great long standing relationships with him.

601
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Speaker 1: Is actually I actually operate the opposite way, whereas I

602
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: want people to question me and to push me. So

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00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: when I I thought about the Todd lick Lighter who's

604
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Speaker 1: with the Celtics in their organization, and Paul Hewitt, and

605
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: both have been successful, Both are a little bit of

606
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Speaker 1: different styles of personality, definitely different than my own, and

607
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Speaker 1: I would have tried to bring them both on. But

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, you gotta, I I know, if

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Speaker 1: you're for real and trying to win in this thing,

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Speaker 1: based upon who you're willing to hire, are you willing

611
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: to go get guys who? But they've they've they've achieved

612
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Speaker 1: more in this thing that you can then you can

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Speaker 1: ever have dreamed of achieving. They know, you've got to

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Speaker 1: have an old head with you, and you gotta have

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Speaker 1: some experience. But okay, let's say he puts together that

616
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Speaker 1: dream staff. The interesting thing about Memphis is when they

617
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Speaker 1: were winning with John and John Calperry was there, they

618
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: weren't doing it with Memphis guys, right, They did it

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Speaker 1: with guys for the most part. Outside of Memphis, it's

620
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Speaker 1: like it's a weird city. It's there's so much talent locally.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if you bring one guy, well, somebody's

622
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: boys might not like that guy, and then they may

623
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Speaker 1: decide to both come together. But you know, the in

624
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: the fighting between the families or the friends, and then

625
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: the need to it out of college and get to

626
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Speaker 1: the NBA and play right away. You don't get the

627
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: same buy in level from the parents are from the

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00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: associates with a coach, like it's all it's sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: better to recruit guys from out of the area so

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00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: that you don't have their people always around it every practice,

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Speaker 1: in every game. I guess that's that's is Penny a

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00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: big enough personality to tell kids from Memphis, Hey, you're

633
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: gonna come play for me, but you're gonna have to

634
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: not listen to them. You have to listen to me

635
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: if you ultimately want to be successful. So you have

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00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: to really figure out how to make these people pick

637
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's any way to know

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00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: that before it happens. And like you said, Memphis is

639
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: unique because kids who are friends like playing with each other.

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Speaker 1: Like there's stories of Penny getting into like people just

641
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: being jealous of Penny when he was a player, even

642
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: though he was a great teammate, and like getting into

643
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: fights with him in the wako. Al Right, Uh, you

644
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: mentioned the Pack twelve when we're getting ready to record

645
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: this and all the the interesting things going on the

646
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: Pack twelve. Expand on that if you would, Yeah, I

647
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: mean the first thing you know, I was in Vegas

648
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: this weekend at the PAC twelveth Tournament, And I'll be honest,

649
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: like it was actually a better atmosphere than I expected,

650
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: but I still like the quality of play really was

651
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: lower than I was anticipating. And I watched a lot

652
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: of PAC twelve basketball. I knew it wasn't the Big twelve,

653
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: but I was just shocked and like, there's talented players

654
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: out there, and for whatever reason, it's not clicking with

655
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: this this league in general, Like you look at it.

656
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: We saw U c l A just melt down down

657
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: the stretch last night. They took Arizona to overtime and

658
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 1: Aaron Holliday didn't even play well in that game. So

659
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: I just come out of it like what's going on

660
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: in this league? That? And I know you're more familiar

661
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: with the doug that you know, you've got a name

662
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: brand like Arizona that's in turmoil. You see LA you

663
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: excuse me, you see at USC is kind of in

664
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: their own issue. U c l A is gonna have

665
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: major defections. Like what is the future of the PAC

666
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: twelve right now? Well, I'll run through it for you.

667
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like, look, USC, you take out the Anthony

668
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: Melton and and Benny Boatwright from the team like those

669
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: are there too, you know, along with Shemsi met To

670
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: who says he doesn't want to play in the n

671
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: I T for fear of injury, which I think is

672
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: frankly bullshit. But um uh you you look at it

673
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, o, USC what's supposed to be one

674
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: of the two or three best teams in the league,

675
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: and they end up being it even though they didn't

676
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: have their two best NBA prospects. Um Arizona is everything

677
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: we've always seen from Sean Miller, right, like incredibly athletic,

678
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: they get after you defensively, but man, you just fear

679
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: that they don't have the offense for this thing. U

680
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: c l A. This is the transition year, like a

681
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: super young team, and they lost their depth with what

682
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: happened in China. But you kind of you have a

683
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: weird roster that's that's made up of of upper classmen

684
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: that don't like, you know, Aaron Holliday doesn't want to

685
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: be there, and uh, you know Thomas Welch and Prince

686
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: Ali who has been there, and Gorgy Golman. I mean,

687
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: look through there, they're playing Alex uh Lashinsky, who I

688
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: mean he should be a walk on it U C

689
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: l A, and yet he's getting major minutes because the

690
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: young guys are just so young. I do feel like,

691
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, barring him trying to get you know, the

692
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: Louisville job or get out of there, get the pitch

693
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: job or something and press refreshed. I think they'll be okay.

694
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: I think they'll be better next year. And look, Organ

695
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: had to have a new whole new team because they

696
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: lost you know, four guys to the NBA Washington. I

697
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: think Hops are really good higher. I mean, just for

698
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: one year, to go from the worst team in the

699
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: league to being mid pack in the league. Um, Arizona

700
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: State was disappointing, but maybe it's more. This is actually

701
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: more of who they are, and they played above their

702
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: level to start the year. Oregon State just piste away

703
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: way too many games, but they're actually pretty good. Like

704
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: and you know, Cal was an abject disaster, but that's

705
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: because Conzo left and they hire y King thinking they're

706
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: gonna keep all their guys and everybody leaves, Like, look,

707
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here trying to defend the conference, but

708
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: I think it gonna be fine. I think it was

709
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: a down year for the conference after having what four

710
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: Sweet six team teams last year, and it's team in

711
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: the final four. The big thing is we generally judge

712
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: conferences based upon their blue blood schools, and that's Arizona,

713
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: U c l A and maybe to a lesser extent, Stanford,

714
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: and Stanford might have been passed by Oregon. And because

715
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: Stanford wasn't healthy to start the year, because U c

716
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: l A has so many young players, and because of

717
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: all the turmoil at Arizona UM, the league is viewed

718
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: as massively down. And I think it's just a down year,

719
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's one to which you feel

720
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: like unless there's a coaching change at USC. But like, look,

721
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: USC is losing Met to losing McLaughlin, They're gonna lose

722
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: a lot. But I would, I would, And then let's

723
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: see what happens at Arizona because right now they have

724
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: no inclining recruiting class. Do you think he's got six

725
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: guys on the roster for next year? Do you think

726
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: now it's it's different than it used to be because

727
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: there's a lot of spring recruiting, late commits, transfers, blah

728
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, blah. But do you think he's the

729
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: coach at Arizona next year? I will say yes, because

730
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: they can't afford to fire him right now, and I

731
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: don't know who's going to hire him. Like if this,

732
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: if this latest e SPN thing, and we could get

733
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: into the merits of what they reported and if it's

734
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: logical or not. But at no point in time I've

735
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: known Sean long time would he have ever been the

736
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: head coach of the pit Panthers. He would have left

737
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: for Pitt a month. You know, if this was a

738
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: month ago and you called Sean, would you go to

739
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: Pitt for the first time in his life? He probably

740
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: would have said yes. Now it sounds like Pitt won't

741
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: even consider him. So it's just like, if he can't

742
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: get Pitt, what could he get? And then are they

743
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: gonna pay ten million dollars to fire him? I highly

744
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: doubt it. All right, let's uh, let's let's let's get

745
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: do a couple of other things. Sad Moda decides to

746
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: turn down Georgia. Does this mean Dad won't take a

747
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: job or he just didn't want the Georgia job. One

748
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: thing with Dad is he's convinced he got fired at

749
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: Ohio State because he wouldn't cheat. He's now interviewed for

750
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: two SEC jobs. I don't see how that wouldn't work.

751
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: And I think that that's kind of what it came into.

752
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: It is he's like, I'm not going to cheat. This

753
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: is the SEC Like it's not gonna work. Now. That

754
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: might be right or wrong. Some people might have a

755
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: problem with that, but I think that's really what his

756
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: mindset is. But I do think he is interested in coaching,

757
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: but he's getting paid for Ohio State for the next

758
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: two years. Tubby Smith, by the way, was just fired

759
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: by Memphis UM, so it'll be interesting to say we're

760
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: we're on We're on Penny Watch, And I think I

761
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: actually think that's really good for the sport. I do

762
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: just because Penny was such a Penny is one of

763
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: those guys that that I don't think he ever was

764
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: as good as we thought he could have been. But

765
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: there's there's a jail and Rose element to Penny where

766
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: and I think it's because frankly a little Penny and

767
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: because he's playing early on with shack Uh that that

768
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: are he's and Tracey McGrady is kind of the same way, right,

769
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: great player was he as good as maybe he could

770
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: have been. No, but he was still really really talented,

771
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: and so of that type of name. Saying I want

772
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: to be a part of college basketball is is big.

773
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: Let's all right, so let's let's go back to Let's

774
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: go back to that so that I agree with you.

775
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: That's saying, you know that not wanted to be a cheater,

776
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: and that interviewing for SEC jobs, and there is the

777
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: assumption that in order to get it done in the SEC,

778
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: you gotta do it a different way, at least gotta

779
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: operate in the gray area. So you know, Pittsburgh UK,

780
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: if they does make sense, Um, I don't. I don't

781
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: know if they're interested in that. I don't know if

782
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: he'd take it, but I think that's more a job

783
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But then again, does Dad want to

784
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: take over in the O and eighteen in the league

785
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: program in the A c C. I don't know if

786
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: he wants to do that. And he can afford to

787
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: be really picky right now. You know, he just bought

788
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: a house in Indianapolis. His youngest daughter is a freshman

789
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: in high school. He's in no hurry to move his family.

790
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: But if there's a perfect situation, he'll do it. What

791
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: about Tom Crane, Where do you think he altily ends up?

792
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: It won't be in the Midwest, I can tell you

793
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: that much. Um, he's got ugly at the end of Indiana.

794
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: But why because because what happens here's what happens nationally.

795
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: He's he's done a great job of creating a different

796
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: image with his work with Asian war Zanowski, with his

797
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 1: work with ESPN, Right, like we so quickly forgetten and

798
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: but for people who don't live in the Midwest as

799
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: you do, don't know it as well as you do.

800
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: What what? What? What went wrong? Tom has a very

801
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: unique personality. He's very intense. He's very like me, I

802
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: don't want to say controlling and manipulative. But he is

803
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: involved in absolutely everything. He knows everything that's written about him,

804
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, everything that everybody says about him. And like

805
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: he's having his sid called people about stories they've written,

806
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: Like no coach does that, and it's just war on people.

807
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: Like he meant in Indiana, coaches want to send their

808
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: best players to Indiana either au coaches are high school coaches, right,

809
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: they were actively not doing that in Indiana. At the

810
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: end of Tom's tenure just because he could grind on

811
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: people so much. He recruits you so hard, so hard,

812
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, like really sells, and I think that can

813
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: work in other areas, but it just didn't work in

814
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: the Midwest. And then, quite honestly, every other coach hated him.

815
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you, I'll think of a crazy man.

816
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: This guy is, yeah, and it's gonna be tough to

817
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: hire him. Here's here's what, Here's what how what my

818
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: talking to other Big ten coaches, I thought initially they

819
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: really didn't like him because he's he was he's kind

820
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: of an oddball personality. And then many of them started

821
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: to get to know him and understand that once you

822
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: become kind of friendly with him, he's he's he's actually

823
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: a good human being. Is what that that? This is

824
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: what was told to me by Big ten coaches, three

825
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: of them actually, and they all kind of said the

826
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: same thing. They said, like his but but he's one

827
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: of those guys to which you'd play a game and

828
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: you text him and he text you for hours into

829
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: the middle of the night about all the different things

830
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: going wrong with his team or all the different things

831
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: he's thinking, and you're just like enough right, so he

832
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: he's just a it's a different deal. But I do

833
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: think that the power of ESPN kind of masks a

834
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff, and look being away from it

835
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: for a year, I don't know. I think ultimately he'll

836
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: go back to being who he was. But I do

837
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: think that a lot of these guys, it's good to

838
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: get fired. It's good to catch your breath and go like, hey,

839
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I need to chill out a little bit.

840
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if he does, because we've kind of

841
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: empowered him based upon how he's been covered and made

842
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: out to be the savant after he leaves Indiana, but

843
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: maybe it maybe it helps a lot of these guys

844
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: become puppy dogs when they get fired, and we see

845
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: if they go back to the same, uh, same type

846
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: of leaders when they get their new job. All right,

847
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: last thing, Um, who do you have in the final four? Um?

848
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: I have I'll still keep Virginia in there, even though, uh,

849
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: the injury really kind of makes me worry, but I'll

850
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: stick with my final for Virginia, Xavier, Villanova, and Duke. Um.

851
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: I have Villanova beating Virginia, So that's kind of that.

852
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Speaker 1: But I just felt like the matchups that Davier gets.

853
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: There's no like guard that really gives them problems. Even

854
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: though I don't trust Virginia until they get to the

855
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: final four, I believe that they genuinely. I don't know

856
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: that there's a team in their bracket that beats them. Villanova.

857
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: I just don't think Purdue can beat Villanova. And then Duke,

858
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: I think they got the most talent, So I'm going

859
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: with the team with the most talent. That's always it's

860
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: always good way to go. And and Mike Stachowski, if

861
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't like the calls at halftime, he'll call the

862
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: officials over chastise him on TV, and somehow they'll start

863
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: to go his way in the second half. All right,

864
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of we we've seen that sailor. All right, listen,

865
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Speaker 1: get back to watching the games. Follow him on Twitter

866
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Speaker 1: at be snow two four sevense You can read work

867
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Speaker 1: on seven sports dot com. He's just to do from sincenat.

868
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: He likes to cover ball and talk fall and he

869
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: joins us on All Ball. All right, let's welcome in

870
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: John Crispin. You watch them on the Big ten Network

871
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: and their lead analysts, and of course you hear m

872
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: on Westwood One, who's their lead studio analysts for the

873
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: entire n c A tournament. Uh, John, it's not that

874
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't love your expertise about all of college basketball,

875
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: but I love how the level of the depth of

876
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: coverage that you guys are able to provide for the

877
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: Big Ten and those top three teams are really really good. Um,

878
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: so let's let's start. Let's start with Michigan because Michigan

879
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: is a hot team. Everyone's talking about them. You've seen

880
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: them evolved throughout the season. How good are they? Actually, Well,

881
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: they've evolved because they've gotten better defensively. It's not just

882
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: that they've gotten better defensively, they've actually their identity is

883
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: rooted in their defense. Now, it used to be their

884
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: identity was we're a ball spacing, read react type of offense.

885
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: Were hard to figure out and five guys can make threes. Well,

886
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: that's all great, but they didn't have a point guard

887
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: to start the season. So what they had to do

888
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: was be good on the defensive end, and once they

889
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: figured that out, they were able to play a little

890
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: bit more freely on the offensive end. But it's been defense.

891
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: Defensive efficiency is higher than it's ever been from Michigan.

892
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: And then on the offensive end, like I said, they

893
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: still have weapons. If anything, they've got more with the

894
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: young freshman coming on on. Now, Okay, so you mentioned

895
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: defense and the defense that I saw at the Big

896
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: Ten tournament man and man and what what anybody who

897
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: knows balls loading to the ball right, you put the

898
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: ball on the deck and they're coming in to to

899
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: dig that out and the only way to beat it

900
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: is to drive and kick or to move, really move

901
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: the basketball, as you've talked about a lot. I think

902
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: in broadcast they actually over help, but it's been really

903
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: effective because they're actually they're pretty athletic at the point.

904
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: Mor Wagner's and and even his back up pretty good

905
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: at defending the rim. And then they got some they

906
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: got some good athletes, better athletes on the perimeter that

907
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: I think people thought coming into the season, Um, what's

908
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: the type of team that gives them the most trouble?

909
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: Like you have San Diego, Stator, Houston, you get some

910
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: other teams and that, what's the type of team you

911
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: think is them the most trouble. Well, I think a

912
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: team that can obviously shoot from the perimeter, but also

913
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: a team that can pass over the defense one of

914
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: their issues. And you talk about how they overhelp, it's true,

915
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: but they do it so early in the process that

916
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: they're in position. That's the difference. A lot of teams

917
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: overhelped by running to the basketball, and it's not just

918
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: a long close out, it's a non existent close out

919
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: at that point. Once it's a drive a kick, this

920
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: team gets themselves in position, so they just negate that

921
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: drive in the first place. If you can pass over

922
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: the defense, you then are putting them into long, closed

923
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: out situations. So I think the team that can shoot

924
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: from the perimeter, that that actually can force you to

925
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: close out hard. Team that can pass over top of

926
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: the defense with versatile guys around the perimeter, that's the

927
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: type of team that can give them prop. But it's

928
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: not going to be the team that could just break

929
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: you down off the dribble. That sounds easy, but it's

930
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: easier said than done, especially when the guys are there

931
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: in position and not just closing to the ball. All right,

932
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: let's get to uh, let's get to Purdue um perdue.

933
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: As you have pointed out to me time and again,

934
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: they love to throw it in the post. I remember

935
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: I was doing a tournament in Cancoon two years ago

936
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: when you know they had both they had both big guys,

937
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: so maybe it was last year, I can't remember, and

938
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: Matt Painters like, you know, we lead the country in

939
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: post touch in in in post catches, and but but

940
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: you hate that, don't you do? I do? What message

941
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: are you sending to the cards? Now? I understand that's

942
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: part of who they are, it's part of who Perdue is,

943
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: and I think that's actually gotten them some of the

944
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: players that they've gotten. They also had this this board

945
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: where they tracked post feeds for guards where they basically said,

946
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: every time you feed the post, you get a point. Well,

947
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't like that. I don't think that's good messaging

948
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: for the guards, and I think that's what forces you

949
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: into some bad habits, bad habits that they had, particularly

950
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: last year in the NT tournament, which was just feed

951
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: Biggie Swanigan. We can't get a shot, so let's just

952
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: give it of the big guy. I think they're much

953
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: better when they're outside in meaning the guards are effective

954
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: first and then you allow that one on one opportunity

955
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: in the post, as opposed to just beating the post

956
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: first play down floor and everyone's standing around watching hoping

957
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: Isaac cos dominates down low. Remember isa Cons is only

958
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: gonna play for twenty minutes anyway, Okay, every just to

959
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: him at the game. So you can't play that way.

960
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: You've got to get rhythm going in the game by

961
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: getting those guards going on. Um I look, and I

962
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: look at Butler, and I think you know, Tyler Widman

963
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: obviously gives up probably thirty pounds and like five or

964
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: six inches, but he's got long arms and big hands.

965
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: At least he can be there and they can play

966
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: man up. And then to me, produce issues are not

967
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: just sometimes when they get bogged down and trying to

968
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: throw it inside the hoss and everything stops. But but

969
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: at the defensive end, right, like Dakotamatist is a great

970
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: kid and very good player, but he can't guard Kelan Martin, right,

971
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: and then their guards, I don't care how tough and

972
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: tenacious p J. Thompson, He's tiny. He's tiny, and he's

973
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: thick in the middle, so he doesn't really move all

974
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: that well. He's not going to climb into you defensively.

975
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: Um I look, and I think they got some defensive weaknesses.

976
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: And I if Butler can advance, I'm really cautious as

977
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: to whether or not this Purdue team can even be Butler.

978
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't have an issue with Butler. I really don't.

979
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: I think, if anything, I would cover a guy like

980
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: Isaac Coss with guards because I would force him to

981
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: get a catch where I was okay with him getting

982
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: the catch. And by guards, I mean six step in

983
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: six eight. I wouldn't put big guys on Isaac Coss.

984
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't. I'm not concerned with him so long

985
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: as I can dictate where he catches the basketball. Now,

986
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: on the other end, No, Gel Eastern has been a

987
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: game changer for Purdue on the defensive end because he

988
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: can cover one through four. And I understand we talked

989
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: about he's a liability in many ways on the offensive

990
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: end because he's not a threat, but he's tough on

991
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: the offensive glass. And they use him as the initiator

992
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: on the offensive end, which for them is not I mean,

993
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: you could have Isaac Coston to see the offense that's

994
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: just kind of just run to the post and get match.

995
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: But for them having him initiate the offense and just

996
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: get into the game on that end and attack the basket,

997
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: make back, cut, attack the offensive glass. That's actually the

998
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: team when they're at their best. Because when they played

999
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: Penn State in the Big Ten Tournament, no Jell Eastern

1000
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: did the job on Tony Clark. He was physically dominant

1001
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: in that game. So I think having him on the

1002
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: defensive end is a game changer because you don't have

1003
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: to put Vincent Edwards on the best player for forty minutes. Yeah,

1004
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: the problem is that that it takes away the space.

1005
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: You know, so much of what they're able to do

1006
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: is because you have space. Now, look, once you get

1007
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: to the n c A tournament, maybe guys don't know

1008
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: how much no Jell Eastern struggles to shoot the ball.

1009
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: Although watching his his free throw is a kin to

1010
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley's golf swing. Right, there's that hit, there's that

1011
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: pronounced hits in it, and I know he's shooting it better, right,

1012
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: and I know he's young and they really like him,

1013
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: but there is a pronounced hitch to which you're like,

1014
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: if you're guarding him, and then he shoots the body

1015
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: like what down my garden him for? That thing is

1016
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: an awful looking um. So that that's the only thing

1017
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: with no jell Eastern is it? You know there's it's

1018
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: an offense heavy team. You're bringing a guy that that's

1019
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: very good defensively, all of a sudden it becomes four

1020
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: on five and offense. So long as he gets out

1021
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: of the way, they're okay. Because I've seen him make

1022
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: back cut and stand on the opposite block and it's

1023
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: driven me crazy. But he's gotten a lot better at

1024
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: just cutting and taking his player out of the game.

1025
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: And I think he has gotten much better to the

1026
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: point where he not as much of a liability, and

1027
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: he's gotten inside the paint. He's finishing around the rim

1028
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: much better. So I do think he's made drastic improvements

1029
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: on the offensive. And I don't feel like it's four

1030
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 1: h five on and four at that point. I think

1031
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: he's made much much more improvement than that. But yeah,

1032
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: this shot is a little subt. All right, let's go

1033
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: to Michigan State, UM you and I discussed them with

1034
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: your brother Joe, who's who's the head coach at Rowan

1035
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: Rowan College UM in in New York City, And I like,

1036
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: I like congruent offenses. I like your when your offensive

1037
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: style matches your defensive style, right like if you're Virginia,

1038
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: if you're gonna play and they don't really play pac line.

1039
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna play physical defense and make a

1040
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: team drag out their percentages possessions offense defensively, then you

1041
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: gotta do the same thing offensively. I like to I

1042
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: feel like Michigan say, they play so fast, but but

1043
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: then because they allow you to, you know, walk the

1044
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: ball up and grind them in the half court. Even

1045
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: if they're very good defensively, I feel like they allow

1046
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: teams to set the tempo and then and then like

1047
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: look when you they get the ball, they almost play schizophrenic.

1048
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: They're like, man, we've been playing defense so long, let's

1049
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: go and school really fast. And they play a little

1050
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: too fast offensively. I don't love their guards. And plus,

1051
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: if you're gonna play three guards, now that means one

1052
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: of your three best players has to sit. If you're

1053
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: gonna play two guards, well, now a sudden, that means

1054
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: that Myles bridges at the three, he's not as much

1055
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: of a mismatch as he is when he's at the four.

1056
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: Like they have really good pieces, I'm just not convinced

1057
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: they one the style is perfect, and then two that

1058
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: the parts that together. I think the style would be

1059
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: okay if you had more experience as players, and you

1060
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: look at some of the experienced teams that they had.

1061
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: Those guys understood what it took to win within that system,

1062
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: so it was physically win every battle, which can't really

1063
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: play that way anymore. Also, executing on the offensive vent

1064
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: better than anybody else because their transition immediately if they

1065
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: don't get it, it doesn't really lead to much of

1066
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: a secondary. It leads to a reset. So it's transition. Okay,

1067
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: nothing's their reset, let's call a play at that point.

1068
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: You've got to have that experienced guy or multiple experienced

1069
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: players to know how to set a screen, to know

1070
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: how to get set, to know how to cut and

1071
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: look to score, to know how to make a read

1072
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: on those specific set options that they have. I think

1073
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: that's their issue. They don't have that they're at their

1074
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: best when they're making runs, because that's kind of how

1075
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: young teams are. When they've got a ton of talent,

1076
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: they're just playing their finding rhythm in the game, and

1077
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: that's been their biggest issue. They have not been able

1078
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: to get into a consistent rhythm. When they do, they

1079
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: look like the best team in the country. When they don't,

1080
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: they look as beatable as the number seven him in

1081
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: the conference. And I think that's been the biggest challenge

1082
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: for Michigan State. Alright, let's go. Let's go to Ohio State,

1083
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: who um had a surprising season and then kind of

1084
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: petered out a little bit at the end. They did

1085
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: beat Perdue at Purdue. UM, they beat Michigan State at

1086
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: at home, and they take on South Dakota State, who

1087
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: has a very good player in Mike don the dominator

1088
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: of the jack Rabbits. Um are they are they good?

1089
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: Did they feast on a bad league? Um? You know?

1090
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: Beta Kate's up obviously had a resurgence season coming off

1091
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 1: of injury. What's your thoughts on OHIWSE State? Oh? Look,

1092
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: the foundational principles of basketball still work. I think that's

1093
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: the That's the point with Ohio State. They play with

1094
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: simple basketball fundamentals. They space well, that they share the basketball,

1095
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: they take care of it. They do everything well, but

1096
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: nothing great. And I think as as good as Kata

1097
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: bates Up has been, he's still just kind of a

1098
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: self starter. You don't really have to run anything for him.

1099
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: He's going to get his But He's not the kind

1100
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: of player who's is gonna take over a basketball game,

1101
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: mainly because that's not his personality. And there's nothing wrong

1102
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: with that. It's not his personality just to demand the basketball.

1103
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: He's just gonna go make a play happen. And I

1104
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: think he's won some games. You look at at Perdue,

1105
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: he won that game by just getting after it and

1106
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: being a complimentary player, not a star. So I think

1107
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: that's a good thing about Ohio State. But at the

1108
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: same time, they have serious limitation offensively. There's not much

1109
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: coming off the bench when Caleb Weston's out there, just

1110
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: not the same team because they are good when they

1111
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: can feed the ball into him in the post, and

1112
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: you go back to to the Michigan State team, they

1113
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: actually look to feed Caleb Weston. He was making plays

1114
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: and he became part of the balance. And without that balance,

1115
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: they're just not as good now. Defensively, they're gonna be solid,

1116
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: but they're not going to do anything outside of themselves.

1117
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: And I think this is a steth kind of State team,

1118
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: and that you said they're going to cause some problems

1119
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: and Mike tom Man, that dude knows how to relocate

1120
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: better than anybody else in the country. And by relocate,

1121
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Just he gets to the

1122
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: open spot, and he gets to a spot where you

1123
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: can get a shot, whether it be in the post,

1124
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: short corner, mid range, bow line, three point line, he

1125
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: knows where to get to get a look and the

1126
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: guy can score. Alright. So one through four strongest likelihood

1127
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: of making it to the Final four. I'm gonna say

1128
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: one Michigan just because I don't like how they defend,

1129
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: and you know, DeAndre Hunter out from for Virginia is

1130
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: is excuse me, I'm sorry, and I'm looking at I'm

1131
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: looking at I'm looking Xavier h Xavier. As good as

1132
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: they are, I just have seen inconsistency score in the

1133
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: basketball at times. You see Xavier put up nine points

1134
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: and you see him put up sixty five points, and

1135
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: I don't really understand that. So I look at Michigan

1136
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: as a type of team that I don't see anyone

1137
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: in that in there. And then I'd say round thirty

1138
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: two sixteen that gives me that much of a concern

1139
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: because of the inconstistency of North Carolina, I would stay

1140
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: to probably Perdue because I do think if Purdue can

1141
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: get on a roll. They can get through Villanote. As

1142
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: great as Villanova has been, they don't have the size.

1143
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: They really don't have the size. They would have to

1144
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: play a fast paced game to get per due out.

1145
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: Three would be Michigan State. Obviously, Michigan State. If they

1146
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: get on a role, if they find rhythm, if they

1147
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: play as well as they could play, I think they're

1148
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: probably one or two in the country. Four Ohio State

1149
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: and Ohio State may have the pick of all picks

1150
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: in the five twelve matchups. If I wasn't a Big

1151
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: ten network guy, I would probably be picking South to

1152
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: go to State because it's a really bad draw. Great

1153
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: great stuff. Listen. You can listen to John on Westwood

1154
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: One throughout the tournament, and of course, uh I think

1155
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: next time we'll have you on. I want memories of

1156
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: Penn State's run. People forget Penn State did actually make

1157
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: a run. That was back when John and Joe his

1158
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: brother Joe were in the backcourt. For Terry Dunn was

1159
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: your head coach, wasn't he? Jerry does Jerry Dunn, Jerry's

1160
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 1: brother Jerry, Terry and Jerry Who does that to kids?

1161
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: Name one? Terry one? Jerry can you imagine, I mean

1162
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: I have I have three kids and their names are

1163
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: not similar at all, and I screwed up. Can you

1164
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: imagine if the kids are Terry and Jerry and they

1165
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: look exactly alike, they're identical twins. Yeah. Hey, look, they

1166
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: messed with us from time to time, and it was

1167
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: pretty hard to tell him the part, uh did you

1168
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: pick up on Afford? Did you do a bracket? I

1169
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: did a bracket. I think I had Arizona. I think

1170
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: I had Michigan. I definitely had Arizona Michigan on that side,

1171
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: I did have Michigan State and I had Villanova. There

1172
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: you go, all right, so they won't fire you from

1173
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: the Big ten network. You still have your Homer underwear on,

1174
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: and you got you got a couple other good teams

1175
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: and do I know what, but I went home or underwear?

1176
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: But I actually I think those are justifiable. I know

1177
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm I'm messing. All right, you got work

1178
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: to do. We appreciate you joining. Okay, so you remember

1179
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: him as a as a McDonald's all American. Everybody's all American.

1180
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: Were the great players in the history of the Pac

1181
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: ten play. A Stanford first round draft pick and that

1182
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: works for us at Fox covering college basketball. Casey Jacobson

1183
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: joins us. Okay, so let's case let's let's dig into

1184
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: your your two UM conferences of expertise, let's play into

1185
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: your wheelhouse. Let's let's start with let's sart with the

1186
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: Pack twelve UM USC gets left out, but I think

1187
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: all of us would conceive that the conference was down.

1188
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: That should that change how we look at Arizona and

1189
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: the fact that they win the league, win the conference tournament,

1190
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: and like you know, sometimes the view of the conference

1191
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: brings down the conference champion. What's your view of Arizona

1192
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: in relationship to the rest of the country. I still

1193
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: think Arizona should be considered one of the most dangerous teams,

1194
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: a top ten team as we stand right now in

1195
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: the country. I go back maybe to last year. Gonzaga

1196
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: played in a week wcc AMID major conference and have

1197
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: been knocking on the door for a Final four for

1198
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: years with Mark Hugh, and they busted through and almost

1199
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: won a national title last year. So just because your

1200
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: conference isn't UM, you know, a power conference, or maybe

1201
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve is down this year, it doesn't stack

1202
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: up to the a SEC the Big twelve over even

1203
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: the Big East. It doesn't mean that that one team

1204
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: Arizona shouldn't be, um considered a title contender. I do.

1205
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: I think the way that DeAndre Ayden is playing, he's

1206
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: getting better, Doug, which is crazy. He hadn't had a

1207
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: couple of He has not played more than two bad

1208
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: games all year, which is pretty remarkable considering their schedule

1209
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: and how much they lean on him. UM. He had

1210
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: back to back career highs in the Pactuel Tournament, back

1211
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: to back thirty two point games. UM. I don't understand

1212
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: why they don't throw in the ball every single time.

1213
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: And I say that a lot was really good big guys.

1214
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: But he is a very willing pastor. It's one of

1215
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: the most underrated parts about DeAndre as game. I would

1216
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: have loved to have played with him. He's not that

1217
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: good of a screener, to be honest with you, but

1218
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: he's a very willing pastor out of the post. Yeah,

1219
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: he's interesting. We had John Crispin on just moments ago

1220
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: in the pod and he was he was talking about Perdue.

1221
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: They throw the ball inside too much, and I didn't

1222
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: want to get in the back and forth. I don't

1223
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: think there is a too much just because it's like

1224
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: body blows to your to your defense. Um. Look, the

1225
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: question for them is always where they run into a

1226
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: pack line team like a Virginia who isn't gonna have

1227
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hunter, or they run into a zone team. You know,

1228
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: can they shoot the ball well enough? And to that

1229
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I don't. I don't think this team.

1230
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: I don't think this team defends at the level that

1231
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: other teams he's had defend. Uh, they rebound, Okay, maybe

1232
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: not at the level of now they do have. I mean, look,

1233
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: Rawley Alkins moving at times to the four makes them

1234
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: crazy athletic, but they still have limitations in terms of

1235
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: they really have one consistent shooter, and that's Alonzo Treer, Parker,

1236
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: Jackson Cower. I can make a shot or two, but

1237
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: he's he's just wants to set up the offense. I

1238
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: guess that becomes the question do they have the shooting

1239
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: to get to the final four? It is a question.

1240
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: It's been the question with Arizona seemingly, uh since I've

1241
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: become a broadcaster four years ago. Um, Arizona is always um,

1242
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, athletic, they always have a couple of NBA

1243
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: caliber players. Um, this team is no different. They struggle

1244
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: with zone. It's one of the reasons why they lost

1245
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: to Colorado one of their first taxball games of the year.

1246
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: They were seven from three in that game, and uh

1247
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: that the overtime game against u c l A u

1248
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: c l A Zone them and UCLA zone has been

1249
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: getting better, although they lost the same fount of interests

1250
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: of course, But um, they will often settle for threes.

1251
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: Especially Alonzo Trier drives me nuts about him. He's a

1252
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: fantastic score. What makes him such a dangerous score is

1253
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: when he starts driving the ball, getting to the foul

1254
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: line and making plays for others sometimes alongso Trier sees

1255
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: a zone defense and says, Okay, it's my time to

1256
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 1: start launching from deep. Um and I wish they would

1257
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: fight against that. That's when they still need to go

1258
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: inside to Risktitch and Aiden and I want to see

1259
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: Alonzo Trier be the point person. Parker Jackson Carra is

1260
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: a good set up guy, but he's not an elite

1261
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: point guard and he's not a guy that is going

1262
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: to get into the teeth of the defense on a

1263
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: regular basis. That is a long though triers job and

1264
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: then roby Aallkins out in the open court can do

1265
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: the same thing, just not as good of a score

1266
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: as a Longso is all right? So with all that

1267
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: in mind, do you like to go to the final four? So?

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01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't have I didn't pick them to go to

1269
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 1: the final four. I picked Virginia, And despite the fact

1270
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: that Hunter has hurt, I still think Virginia is a

1271
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: nightmare matchup for Arizona because they still have Isaiah Wilkins

1272
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: through to me, is one of the better UH post

1273
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: defenders that I have seen in college this year, and

1274
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: that includes Michigan State's front line of of Nick Ward

1275
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: and Jaren Jackson Jr. Um. I do think that they

1276
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: can try and slow down Arizona. I think this is

1277
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: Virginia's time. I got them going to the National Championship

1278
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: game and losing. But this is a team to me

1279
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: that has always been a boa constrictor on the defensive end,

1280
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: and they have timely shooting. Now, they don't blow you away,

1281
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: they don't, they don't. You know, They're not gonna be

1282
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: anybody by twenty points in this tournament. Maybe besides their

1283
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: first round matchup against the u NBC. But when you

1284
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: get down six or eight points, so Virginia, it's like

1285
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: being down, you know, fifteen or twenty to somebody else.

1286
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: And then they can go to Tai Jerome. They can

1287
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: go to Kyle Guy or Devin Hall in the back

1288
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: court and get buckets. I really like Virginia, And maybe

1289
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking myself into this because I really want to

1290
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: see Tony Bennett advanced to his first Final Four because

1291
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: he has been a heck of a basketball coach throughout

1292
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: his entire career. But I got Virginia coming out of

1293
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: the South. All right, let's uh, let's go to that

1294
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: big ten that that you got a kids to cover

1295
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: for Fox. Michigan is the hot team Michigan states, the

1296
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: team that on paper looks like they should get to

1297
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: a Final four. And then you got Perdue that's that

1298
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: can really really shoot as a team. They have Ivan

1299
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: Drago of the Ivan Drago of basketball inside at center.

1300
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: If you had to pick one one of those teams

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01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: to go to the Final four, who would it be?

1302
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: Actually picking per Due? Um, I don't and have either

1303
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: one of them going to my final four. Doug actually

1304
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: at West Virginia and Dukes beating both of the Big

1305
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: Ten teams in their respective brackets. But I think Perdue.

1306
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: I think Michigan State. Uh, if they face Due from

1307
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: the Sweet six team, which I don't see any reason

1308
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: why they shouldn't. Um. They're not as athletic. They don't

1309
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: have quite enough shooting Michigan State. What I do like

1310
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: about them, besides their defense is the development of Cassius Winston,

1311
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: their point guard. UM. Fantastic the way he's developed. He's

1312
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: become a lethal shooter. Are really efficient point guard because

1313
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: he can pass. But you can't leave them open. So

1314
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: if you want a double team Miles Bridges or Nick

1315
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: worked down low, he can make you pay. Um. They're

1316
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: just so young, right. They start five or four freshmen

1317
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: and one sophomore. UM, and I don't know if I

1318
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: if I trust them over a team like Duke and Perdue.

1319
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: I love their balance, Dug. I love the way they

1320
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: play inside and outside. You said that, you said that,

1321
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: Christen said they sw ball down to hospital. Uh too

1322
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: much down low. I don't see that. When I watched them.

1323
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: I see Carson Edwards when it's the nitty gritty time,

1324
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: when they need a bucket. He knows he's very self

1325
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: aware and realizes that he is the best score in

1326
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: crunch time uh and the best creator of offense on

1327
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: the team. And he's one of their young guys too.

1328
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: So if they can, they got Vincent Edwards now back

1329
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: healthy as well. Um the code of Matthias uh steady.

1330
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: I was on FS one studio Doug when Purdue had

1331
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: their senior night and did kode of Matthias was unnguardable.

1332
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: I think it's eight three pointers that night. I did

1333
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: get a pub He's legit. No, I did too, And look,

1334
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: I did that game on radio and so I was

1335
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: there to see it and I like to code a lot.

1336
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: My issues. My issue with them is, you know, like

1337
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: they got some defensive issues. Isaac has can't cover the

1338
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: perimeter and so many people have a stretch five. The

1339
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: two point guards p J. Thompson, Carson Edwards are small.

1340
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: You can you can shoot over them. Tony Carr just

1341
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, want to isolate them, go one on one

1342
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: and then the wings. Dacota mckayas is a really good defender,

1343
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: but he's just not a great athlete. So if you

1344
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: can spread them out, you can attack the guys individually.

1345
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: They got some issues there, and they are a little

1346
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: bit three point dependent. They are a little bit three

1347
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: point heavy. So let me ask you this, if you

1348
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: had to go one to three in order of most

1349
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: likely to least likely of the best of the three

1350
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 1: top teams in the in the Big Ten, who's most

1351
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: likely who's least likely to make the Final four? I

1352
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: think Perdue is most likely to make the final four

1353
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: out of the East Region. I understand your issues with them,

1354
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: but a lot of teams have those same exact issues. Um.

1355
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's matchups. Like Florida kind of

1356
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: has the same issues with you. They're they're a jackal

1357
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: and high team, and that's the thing that Perdue is

1358
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: likely going to play in the sweet sixth team. They're

1359
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: small in the backcourt. They're very athletic, but when they're

1360
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: not making shots from the perimeter, they're pedestrian. Um uh,

1361
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: Michigan State would be too on that list, and then

1362
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: Ohio State would be three. Hilo State is good. I

1363
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: had had of Michigan good. Oh yeah, sorry, I have

1364
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: Michigan advancing to my final four. What am I talking

1365
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: about right now? You got me all locked in the

1366
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: number one. I'm going I'm I'm let's backtrack, Doug. I

1367
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: have Michigan in my final four coming out of the

1368
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: West Region. I actually love Michigan in the way they're playing. Um,

1369
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: they play both ends of the floor, and of course

1370
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: they too do have weaknesses. But when they're shooting well

1371
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: from the perimeter, they're fantastic. When they're not, they do

1372
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: do a nice job of getting into the paint, and

1373
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: John Biline makes sure that those guys don't settle for

1374
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: threes too often. That's why I love about him as

1375
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: a coach. I feel like he's a guy that I

1376
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: would have loved to have played for. It reminds me

1377
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: a lot of my head coach at Stamford, Mike Montgomery.

1378
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: You guys ran all the sets that he seen. Be

1379
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: line kind of let him play a little bit more offensive.

1380
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how many threes you would get up

1381
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: in that offense. All right, let's go to the Big East.

1382
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: Let's go the Big East. I know VI got a

1383
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: one seed, but have they really played that well? No,

1384
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: they have that. I'm surprised. You know. I work for

1385
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: Fox Sports one, so we we try to promote the

1386
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: teams in our conference that deserve it, and Xaviers certainly

1387
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: deserves some love. Um, But they got blown out, and

1388
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: I mean blown out twice by Villanova, and so they

1389
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: Xavier won the Big East by themselves for the first

1390
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: time since the new Big East realigned, and good for them,

1391
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: But they are not the best team in the conference.

1392
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 1: And they know that they were the most consistent team,

1393
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: and let's give them credit for that. But they lost

1394
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: to Villanova two times by a combined total of forty points. Um.

1395
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: I worked with Steve Lavin, former code for St. John's

1396
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: US every other team in America, right, and he is

1397
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: always constantly touting Xavier's depths. Right. Um, they have some

1398
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: young players that are getting better. Um. Quentin Gooden is

1399
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: their sophomore point guard, who definitely was a question mark

1400
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: before the year started, has become less of a question

1401
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: mark and more that they depend on him. But guys

1402
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: like Kaiser Gates, a role player, a wing versatile, has

1403
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: gotten better as well. But um, they play like eight

1404
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: legitimate players, Doug. And that's what Lavin is always saying.

1405
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: No other team has top to bottom one through eight

1406
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: like Javier does. And I always tell last I don't

1407
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: care like the best teams Virginia Duke per Due. They

1408
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: have six players. They have six good players. That's all

1409
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: you need in college basketball. Unless you have a season

1410
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: end the injury, then we can talk about it. But

1411
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 1: when push comes to show, I don't need nine guys

1412
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: to win a national title. Duke's got like five and

1413
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: a half players, and that's enough for me. I got

1414
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: dudes actually cutting down the nets. You got Duke cutting

1415
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: down the nets. I like them because they got guys

1416
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: to get buckets. My question is with Trayvon Duval also

1417
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: with their bench, like, look, I understand you do you

1418
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: need a six or seventh guy just because you know

1419
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: that you know they officiating it's super tighten in the

1420
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: final four and then you know and they're just they

1421
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: You go to that bench and like Wolf, I don't

1422
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: love it. Okay, So so maybe the cutoff is like

1423
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: seven guys because your your point is well taken. Um

1424
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: the fact that I remember when Duke won their national

1425
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: titles two does fift well, a freshman named Grayson Allen

1426
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: that time came off the bench and he has been

1427
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: averaging less than fifteen minutes a game on the year

1428
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: and ended up being the difference maker in that game.

1429
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: Because a couple of guys got into foul trouble. So

1430
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: they also somebody got somebody got kicked off the team

1431
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: who hasn't got kicked off the team that year? Uh

1432
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: Solomon was Rush Solomon or something like that, transferring to Maryland. Correct,

1433
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: And when he got kicked off, then Grayson started to play.

1434
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: And yes, the problem is that with this roster, like

1435
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: I've seen Duke in person and Bagley, Grayson, Allen, Gary Trent,

1436
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: Wendell Carter, like, dude, you know, they gotta get minutes.

1437
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: Alex O'Connell has been better, Marcus Bolden has been okay

1438
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 1: at times. Um So, I guess they have seven, but

1439
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: it's a you know, I mean, that's the real reason

1440
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: they went to his zone is because we got his

1441
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: zone a little bit in the first half. Stay out

1442
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: of foul till make you shoote jump shots. We'll be

1443
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 1: the will be the better, will be the better because

1444
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: of it. Um Am, I crazy. It's Providence can beat

1445
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. And here's why. I know they only

1446
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: have one ball handler, but I know that not having

1447
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: Holt obviously changed their team for the worst. But I

1448
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: just I love their length and they they'll put you

1449
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: in a kind of a meat grinder, and at the

1450
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: end of a at the end of a hard fought

1451
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: game against North Carolina, they're gonna run their little flex

1452
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: cuts in a little sets and North Carolina won't have

1453
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: seen them, doesn't have time to prepare. And I think

1454
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 1: Carolina is good, but I don't think that this is

1455
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: not a classic great This is like one of the

1456
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: best jobs Roy Williams has ever done. When you're when

1457
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: you're in North Carolina and your best player, well, you're

1458
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: leading screamer is a former walk on, Like that is

1459
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: I just that that's not That's not Carolina. Am I

1460
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: am I crazy? You're not crazy? But I'm not picking

1461
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: them Doug And And here's why Providence is very limited offensively,

1462
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: They're they're I get after you on defense, tough minded

1463
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: uh Ed Cooley, their head coach, does a fantastic job.

1464
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: They they've made their fifth consecutve do MG double the

1465
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 1: tournament and they don't have a ton of pros throughout

1466
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 1: that program. And on this team, Kyron Cartwright is basically

1467
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: they're James Hart creator, especially in Crunchtown. Now, Rodney Bullock

1468
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: is their leading score, but he's the guy that really

1469
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: doesn't create on his own. A guy to keep an

1470
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: eye on, though for a Providence if they can pull

1471
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: off this upset. Doug is Alpha Dilo. He's our sophomore wing,

1472
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: big body wing. He was so good in the Big

1473
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: East Tournament, and it's been so much better in the

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01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: second half of the season for them. He doesn't shoot

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Speaker 1: a lot of threes, and he knows he's not a

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Speaker 1: good three point shooter, but he gets in uh. He's

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Speaker 1: really good off curl screens out in transition. He seeks

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01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: contact and plays through it well. But offensively, I can't

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Speaker 1: sell you how many times I've watched Providence and they

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01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: go through four or five minute stretches where they cannot score.

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01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: And his his North Carolina team that will just blow

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Speaker 1: you out. And no, but when I watched North Carolina,

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01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: they have less of those moments, don't know, because of

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Speaker 1: Joel Berry. In the combination of Joel Berry and Lucan,

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01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: they are slightly better than Tyrone Cartwright and Bronti Bullock,

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01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: but they have less of those moments, so I trust

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Speaker 1: them more. M Okay, last thing, Jemezi meant too has

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01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: made the decision to not play in the n I

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Speaker 1: t because he wants to not risk injury and get

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Speaker 1: ready for the NBA draft. You're an All American in

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Speaker 1: high school and All American in college, your first round

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01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: draft pick, and you covered the Sun's in the NBA. Uh.

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Speaker 1: What was your reaction to Jemezie mets decision? I hate it,

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01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: and I hated a lot, doug Um. You know, like

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01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,520
Speaker 1: you know you you committed to your team, your university,

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01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: and I know people want to go to NFL, like

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01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: Christian mccaffy for instance. Stanford guy, they didn't make the

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01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: BCS Bowl Game his last year and he decided to

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01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: sit out to me that it's so different to apples

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01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: and oranges. Why because football is so physical. It's it's

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01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 1: the most physical thing besides rugby that you can play.

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01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: I get it. But in basketball, Look, man, I wouldn't

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01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even have thought twice about this. In fact,

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Speaker 1: my dad, even though I would have been twenty one

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01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: years old at the time, would have driven up to

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01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: Stanford and kicked my behind if I sat out of

1507
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,759
Speaker 1: an n I T game just so I can start

1508
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: my prep um It's but then again, um, this is

1509
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: an individual choice. It's the same thing when people ask

1510
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 1: me about, Hey, should this guy go to the NBA earlier?

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01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: As an individual choice I would have never ever made.

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01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: It's just not what I'm about. But will it, uh,

1513
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, will it negatively affect his draft stock? I

1514
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: don't think so. Um, I don't know what what your

1515
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: opinion on that is, if people will look at him

1516
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: a little bit sideways, like come on, man, really, you're

1517
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: not gonna play in your n IP games just because

1518
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: you aren't prepared for the draft, Like what, what's just

1519
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: a couple more games? Yeah? I mean, like like this

1520
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 1: whole this is it's not football. The likelihood of injury

1521
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: is not great. You could I know, the guys don't

1522
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: play pick up the way we used to play pick up.

1523
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: But you can get hurt. You can very easily get

1524
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: hurt in in a workout, you know, but more than anything, like, look, man,

1525
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: you're part of a team. And even if you don't

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01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: like the n I t and you're mad you didn't

1527
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: make the n c A Tournament, your team decided to

1528
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: play like we play, right, I mean, I mean, and

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01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: I just I don't and and I I think my

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01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 1: biggest issue, honestly is with our fellow media members who

1531
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 1: are like, well, you know, especially former players like, well,

1532
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, I understand it. Like the second that we

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01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: make this okay, is we're just allowing players to kind

1534
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: of become entitled. I oh yeah, By the way, I

1535
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: would guess that he's gotten some advice from an agent.

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01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: Hey man, even playing well, you play well in the

1537
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: Pactal tournament. Shut it down. This is the big issue

1538
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: that that I don't think administrators understand is coming. If

1539
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: you allow agents to advise players legally while still in college,

1540
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna have guys that play well and then they

1541
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: shut it down. That's what I would never do it,

1542
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: but they do advise players to do it. It's weird

1543
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: to I don't like a jug and he actually he

1544
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: played well up until the championship game of the Pact

1545
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: Rolls tournament. And when I watched that game, you can

1546
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: ask my broadcasting partner, Kevin Burke Carter's time. I turned

1547
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: to him about halfway through the first half, Doug, and

1548
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: I said some as he meant to his playing scared.

1549
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 1: He was scared of DeAndre eight. He wanted no part

1550
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: of the In fact, he finished two for six from

1551
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: the field in that game. Um, you could tell early

1552
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: on that he wasn't on the same level, not even

1553
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: in the same atmosphere. So it actually would have been

1554
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: interesting to me to see maybe how he would have

1555
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: bounced back from that terrible game, probably the worst game

1556
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: that he had played all year, and maybe it dominated

1557
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: the NXC. That's how I would have looked at it

1558
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: as a player. Great stuff, dude, Hey, listen, we'll do

1559
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: this again as the tournament rolls on. In the meantime,

1560
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: get back to work, and thanks so much for all

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Speaker 1: you did on Fox Sports Wonder early this year. My

1562
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 1: pleasure dog. Have a great week, ma'am. All right, So

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Speaker 1: that's the first installation of All Ball. If you like

1564
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: some of the hoop conversations, feel free to follow me

1565
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: on Twitter to that me act Gotlive show, Call me

1566
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Speaker 1: on Instagram, same thing, Got Leave Show. I'll be doing

1567
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: Facebook lives and Instagram lives after college basketball games take

1568
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Speaker 1: place on the four networks they take place on. If

1569
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: you have any questions, any comments, anyone you want to

1570
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: hear from the general idea of this is right now.

1571
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: We're going to cover the news stories, the game whatever

1572
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: as we get to kind of the low between the

1573
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: n c A tournament in the playoffs, we'll start to

1574
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: you'll start to get to know some of the personalities

1575
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: around the sport, and we'll have you'll just kind of

1576
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: beat hopping in on conversations where we'll cover the big topics,

1577
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: but you also get to know all of these people

1578
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: because basketball really is kind of a family. And I've

1579
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 1: been around this thing my entire life, and you'd be

1580
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: amazed at some of these people's journeys to where they

1581
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: are as a coach, where they are as a comment take,

1582
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: and where they are as a player, what they came

1583
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: from to where they are now, what their personal goals are.

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Speaker 1: So it'll all be about basketball, college, pro, a little

1585
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Speaker 1: bit of high school and au and hopefully you continue

1586
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: only to download it, but to tell your friends to download.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, I'm Doug out Leeb. You've been listening

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Speaker 1: to abol