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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolli. He is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson and I just like to remind everybody

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Speaker 1: this is a hot take free zone. If you tuned

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Speaker 1: in to our show to expecting to hear a when

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Speaker 1: did take become a thing?

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Speaker 2: By the way, I know I'm too old for that too.

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Speaker 1: What's your opinion?

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Speaker 2: What do you think about this? Sir? You know, right

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Speaker 2: exactly and.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly so that that's what those things are. There's

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Speaker 1: again so much of this here. Well, how about these

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Speaker 1: rumors of this or there's rumors of that. Somebody, somebody's

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Speaker 1: opinion on social media or on the radio is not

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Speaker 1: is not a rumors.

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Speaker 2: Not a rumor. It's not an inside opinion, right, like, boy,

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Speaker 2: I think they should do this. I think they should

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Speaker 2: play Warren more than Harris. I think they should throw

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Speaker 2: the ball more. I think that. But that's much different.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's an opinion or educated opinion. It's not.

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Speaker 2: Now there's a hot rumor in Pittsburgh that they're going

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Speaker 2: to do this, and blah blah blah. That's not really

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Speaker 2: why it works.

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Speaker 1: It dries me nuts.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: So the Steelers, well they get to host the New

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Speaker 1: England Patriots on Thursday night at Akroscher Stadium, and Steelers

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Speaker 1: will be wearing their their color color Rush Color Rush.

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Speaker 1: Also bringing back the gold end zones. So you get

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Speaker 1: a little, a little special, little something different, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a game, make it more visually appealing, because I don't

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Speaker 1: know that the game is going to be all that

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Speaker 1: visually appealed.

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Speaker 2: If you like offense and scoring and high flying fantasy

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Speaker 2: numbers and whatnot. I mean, there's defensive purists out there,

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Speaker 2: two defensive head coaches that have won a ton of

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Speaker 2: games in their career, that are quite happy playing low

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Speaker 2: scoring games and have had a lot of success doing it.

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Speaker 2: But no, I do not think it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a mad dash to the first one to forty points.

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Speaker 1: It will not be last night's Monday night football game.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that one played in the thirties absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of which I thought, only the Steelers lost games

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Speaker 1: in which they were touchdown favorites at home.

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Speaker 2: Right right. No one else does that.

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Speaker 1: Nobody else does that.

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Speaker 2: Boy, that's a team they should have beat. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: happens every week in.

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Speaker 1: It happens to every yeah, every single week in the league. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: the league will be actually be pretty.

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Speaker 2: Boring, real boring, right, I mean you have to have

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Speaker 2: spread like double the spreads and things like that funny

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Speaker 2: thing about spreads I just heard though, which isn't that crazy.

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Speaker 2: But this time last week or late last week, we're

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Speaker 2: talking about who.

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Speaker 1: Do you like?

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Speaker 2: Chargers in Patriots? Chargers are laying five and a half. Well,

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Speaker 2: they scored six points and covered. That's insanity to be

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Speaker 2: but just a little funny.

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Speaker 1: So I watched that game last night, the Chargers Patriots game, and.

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Speaker 2: Wow, they're challenged.

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Speaker 1: They are very offensively challenged football team. With Palley Zappi

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Speaker 1: at quarterback, I wouldn't be surprised this week. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to go back to Mac Jones.

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Speaker 2: No, I think his time with them or is done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unless Belichick, unless unless everybody else gets hurt or something,

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Speaker 2: I think that is that experiment is over.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't be surprised if the Steelers see Malik Cunningham at

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Speaker 2: You mentioned it before, some kind of steel on your

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Speaker 2: thunder that I guess there was a package or practicing

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Speaker 2: in place for the Charger game with him, and it's

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Speaker 2: been flirted with all year and.

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Speaker 1: They've been using him at wide receiver. They've been using

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Speaker 1: it like they're using him in the Cordolf Stewart like

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Speaker 2: And I mean it seems like a million years ago,

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Speaker 2: but I know Belichick was infatuated with the initial use

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Speaker 2: of Lamar Jackson. Flaco was the starter. Jackson was this

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem with that. They don't have a Joe

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Speaker 1: Flacco Jackson and he's not Lamar Jackson right side of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't even the Miller lite version of it

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's one game, but like, Joe

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Speaker 2: Flacco is better than what they're playing with. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Flacco can play two games in

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Speaker 2: going on. And you mentioned I mean, this is again

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Speaker 2: stealing your thunder. But it doesn't take an expert scouting

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Speaker 1: And it's even worse now that Ramondre Stevenson is not

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Speaker 2: He's their best offensive player.

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Speaker 1: He's there leading rusher, he's their leading receiver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And if people't think he's having a quote

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Speaker 2: down years, yeah, he's in.

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Speaker 1: The game against the Chargers. When he was in the game,

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Speaker 1: he touched the football sixty two point five percent of

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Speaker 2: Never came off the field, didn't come off the field. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then got hurt and then he got right back

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Speaker 2: on the field. Right then, what do you do? They

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Speaker 2: had two active running backs him Ezekiel Elliott.

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Speaker 1: Their top drives were forty nine yards, forty eight yard

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Speaker 1: made it to the Chargers thirty one and they fumbled.

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Speaker 1: They made to the forty nine, they punted, the forty

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Speaker 1: field position. In that game, they had eleven possessions, the thirteen,

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Speaker 1: eleven possessions started inside their own twenty and they can't

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Speaker 2: No, they can't in to the football. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's like going uphill, Devin when you're that

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Speaker 2: far deep in your own end. And that's a key

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Speaker 2: for sure for the Steelers this week is don't give

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Speaker 2: them short fields because they'll get field goals like anybody else,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, but don't it make you make

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Speaker 2: them go eighty, make them go sixty, make them go

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Speaker 2: you know, for their at least their own end.

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Speaker 1: The average possession, their average possession in that game started

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Speaker 2: Well, there's not many kickoffs.

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Speaker 1: Don't turn yet, but don't turn the ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't give them any short fields.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I'm sure the Chargers were in a similar boat

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Speaker 2: because I forget which team it isn't honestly, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers don't have any team speed.

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Speaker 2: Right now, No, they don't really either. Keenan Allen's the

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Speaker 2: But it was just a punt fest. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: was three and out. And but the one thing that

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Speaker 2: I think the Patriots never snapped the ball within the

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Speaker 2: inside the Patriots twenty. You know, like they never even

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Speaker 2: got in either red zone, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: that was what the game was. And frankly, if the

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Speaker 2: Patriots can play to another one of those on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: they'd probably take it. You know.

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Speaker 1: That's how they that's how they have to play, Yes,

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Speaker 1: very much. I mean the Steelers have been kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Steelers offense is better than that.

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Speaker 1: It's better than that.

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Speaker 2: Boy, could they use Deontay Johnson or Pickings or Friar Ball?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean just a receiver that gets open.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we go Calvin Austin. They could use Calvin

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Speaker 2: Austin absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I mean even Allan Robinson would be playing a lot

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Speaker 2: He's very similar to what they're playing. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean him, him, They were really good three years.

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Speaker 1: He's got five of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Juju, DeVante Parker, Alan Robinson fine careers, but not

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Speaker 1: You know, right, Hunter Henry's averaging nine point eight yards

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Speaker 1: per catch. Okay, Juju's averaging six point eight yards per catch. Yeah, uh,

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Speaker 1: Mike is sick. He's averaging eight point seven. He hardly

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Speaker 1: even plays any Taekwon Thornton's playing six point or six

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Speaker 2: He played a lot this past week because the Mario

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Speaker 2: Douglas was out. But he's fast. But that's all he is.

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Speaker 2: That's all I fast. Yeah, it's just.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I want to take a quick turn here, okay, because

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Speaker 2: this is a very similar conversation to what we had Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 2: Friday last week, except with the Cardinals defense. It was

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Speaker 2: flipped with their defense like it was a laughable defense.

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Speaker 2: I mean us looking at it from afar now, anyone

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Speaker 2: can lose in the NFL. Short week can cause problems.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that people out there, like you guys, underestimated

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals last week. We didn't underestimate.

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Speaker 1: We didn't set it. We weren't the ones who set

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Speaker 1: the point spread in that game.

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Speaker 2: Nor do we put pads on and walk on and

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Speaker 2: have to get away from him in coverage or anything

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Speaker 2: like that. We're just analyzing what we've seen to this point,

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Speaker 2: and we don't have crystal balls. This offense that he

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Speaker 2: was about to play is horrendous.

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Speaker 1: The twelve points a game for the season, this is.

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Speaker 2: Just stats, you know. I mean they're passing game I

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Speaker 2: would say is the worst in the league. But maybe

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Speaker 2: the Jets. I mean, like it's really like much worse

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Speaker 2: than the Steelers. I mean they run the ball well,

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Speaker 2: they have a good defense, but they have problems on offense.

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Speaker 2: Their passing game is not existent.

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Speaker 1: They're going to start Bailey Zappi again, I would expect

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Speaker 1: in this game Matt Jones isn't going to start.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right, cunning hamill play.

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Speaker 1: It's a short week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Zappi has attempted sixty four passes this season. He's thrown

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Speaker 1: for two d and ninety nine yards, So he's averaging

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Speaker 1: four point seven yards per attempt. Like anything below six

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Speaker 1: is bad.

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Speaker 2: Is bad?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's four point seven.

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Speaker 2: They have no verticality.

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Speaker 1: He's nine point three yards per completion. Uh, he's been

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Speaker 1: sacked seven times in sixty four past.

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Speaker 2: Like you'll turn the ball over a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's no touchdown passes interception Well absolutely so maybe they

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Speaker 2: burn you over the top, but I would not start

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Speaker 2: off the ball like they did against the Browns, Like

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Speaker 2: I'm pressing, guys, I'm banging at the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 2: the short zones because they have a hard time, frankly,

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Speaker 2: completing open passes when they do happen. They don't get

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Speaker 1: There really aren't. And then you look at you know.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, we do a lot of fantasy stuff,

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Speaker 1: They have scored over the last since since October twenty ninth,

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Speaker 1: They had three against the Cowboys, they had fifteen against

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Speaker 2: They have five games this year where they've scored seven

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Speaker 1: Three against the Cowboys, none against the Colts at home.

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Speaker 2: Which is atrocious. Bad as the Patriots offenses right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean that's where they're at right now.

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Speaker 2: like at least out there. Yeah, throw them out, throw

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Speaker 2: the thirteen they'll they'll they'll run a share of thirteen.

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Speaker 1: The problem is is not the tight ends. Aren't blockers.

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Speaker 2: Kseki, isn't Henry's Okay, yeah, right, I mean their old

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Speaker 1: Which isn't I mean, all they so they rotated their

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Speaker 2: And this is no, No, they're not. I mean they're

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Speaker 2: It really is there really is. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: Could the Steelers lose this game, for sure, But we

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Speaker 1: The pictures hardly paying a good picture of the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: Special teams are horrendous. Yeah, I mean the defenses are horrendous.

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Speaker 2: Except for on defense. Their defense is good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking here at their one their record

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Speaker 2: It sounds about right. I mean, they're so they could.

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Speaker 1: They do keep some games close because the defenses is fine.

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Speaker 2: It's awful.

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Speaker 2: Really wow. And they don't have the pass we attack

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had three turnovers. It's how bad the Giants

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Speaker 2: They lost like ten to six. It was ten seven

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Speaker 2: I mean, their last they're all good. Last three games.

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Speaker 1: Pass right, it's rough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're earning the second pick or third

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Speaker 2: Okay, they don't have a guy.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a guy.

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Speaker 1: Kind of have to blitz to get there. In their

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Speaker 1: It's kind of okay. They must be. They have to

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Speaker 2: but that's terrible. That's not Belichick usually. I mean usually

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Speaker 2: they usually have. They traded for J. C. Jackson from

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Speaker 2: three point two on the ground, yeah, lately or whatever

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Speaker 1: It might be enough.

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Speaker 2: You know, and just yards for rush and stick with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stick with it is the key. Don't put everything

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Speaker 1: on miss Trubisky's shoulders. At Trubisky spoke today and he

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Speaker 2: It's different thing.

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Speaker 1: It's different than starting the game off.

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Speaker 2: With a game plan with scripted plays. Yes, you know,

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Speaker 1: If you look at the second game of the season

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Speaker 1: twenty one to thirty three, one touchdown, one interception. He

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Speaker 1: the difference here is that George Pickens barely played. He

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was big John.

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Speaker 1: You're still throwing the ball to Chase Claypool at that.

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Speaker 1: Game, it was a second career, career games approached. We

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Speaker 2: You got better weapons now, yeah, without doubt.

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Speaker 1: And you didn't use Jalen Warren and he had four

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Speaker 2: It's so funny. It's I mean, he's still an unknown

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Speaker 2: rookie free agent. Seems like a decent little player, and

439
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Speaker 2: we'll see how he had, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean fifteen for forty nine and a nause He's

441
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Speaker 1: not great, but he did have five catches for forty yards.

442
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Speaker 2: But that's over three a carry against him.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, if you get yeah, if you get,

444
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Speaker 1: he hits over three per carry. He ended up with

445
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Speaker 1: eighty nine total yards of offense in that game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that, right, all right? You know so

447
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Speaker 2: I've mentioned this before that every Thursday this year. This

448
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Speaker 2: week Tuesday, the two of Us and Rob King do

449
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Speaker 2: a video for Steelers dot Com. It's we'll be out

450
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Speaker 2: probably by the time you listened to this, and I

451
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Speaker 2: took a very easy key on offense. Just get to

452
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Speaker 2: one hundred yards rushing. I mean, like for the Steelers,

453
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Speaker 2: they should basically be able to do that against the Niners,

454
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Speaker 2: the Browns, anybody. I mean, I think it's pretty easily.

455
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Speaker 2: I think their defense are the running game is more

456
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Speaker 2: than capable of doing that against any defense in the

457
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Speaker 2: league right now. And that's not that high a bar.

458
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Speaker 2: I mean, you should be able to get over that

459
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Speaker 2: bar over a sixty minute game where the opponent's not

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Speaker 2: going to force you to throw at any point.

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Speaker 1: Well, the game last year, so they had twenty two

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Speaker 1: carries for ninety one yards last year, so they were

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Speaker 1: effective running there.

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Speaker 2: In that neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, I mean I would want

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Speaker 2: a little more than that. How about twenty eight carries

466
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Speaker 2: for one fifteen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the other part of the equation is that

468
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Speaker 1: the Patriots in that game were thirty one rushers for

469
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Speaker 1: twenty one hundred and twenty four yards and Max Jones

470
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Speaker 1: threw for two undred and fifty two yards in that game.

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Speaker 1: They're not throwing for two hundred and fifty two.

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Speaker 2: Yards against anybody, No, No, against the Giants, against Chargers

473
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Speaker 2: and bad defense.

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Speaker 1: They had three hundred and seventy six total yards in

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Speaker 1: that game last year. Wow, the Steelers had two forty three.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers turned it over twice, Patriots had one. It

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Speaker 1: was a seventeen to fourteen game. So don't do that.

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Speaker 2: Don't do that, right, I mean, I hate to just

479
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Speaker 2: talk down the opponent so much because we just did this.

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Speaker 1: You know, But I mean they've also been opponents that

481
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Speaker 1: we've talked up this year, let's.

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Speaker 2: Not no question, no question. I mean, I'm very impressed

483
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Speaker 2: with their defense. I thought Arizona's offense was a little scary,

484
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Speaker 2: like I'd love to watch, but New England's offense versus

485
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Speaker 2: Arizona's defense. You know what happens there, you know, but

486
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: you can lose any team. It's just don't screw it

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Speaker 2: up well.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing when you're do the things you

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Speaker 1: did against Arizona, when you're playing, when you play to

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Speaker 1: play close games, which is kind of what the Steelers

491
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Speaker 1: have done this year. Sometimes sometimes the ball bounces the

492
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Speaker 1: opposite way. Again, you lose a fumble in that game

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Speaker 1: on a snap, yeah, and sets up a touchdown. That's

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Speaker 1: a huge, a huge swing in a game like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't screw it up. You can't hit the

496
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Speaker 2: ball in the net, as you mentioned. I mean, and

497
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Speaker 2: if you do that in this game, you will it

498
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Speaker 2: will be a rock fight at the fifty yard line. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're if you lose the turnover battle,

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Speaker 2: if you mess up snaps, if you have you know,

501
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Speaker 2: special teams, uh penalties, and miss a kick that you

502
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Speaker 2: should probably.

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Speaker 1: Make, miss a tackle when somebody you know gets thirty

504
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Speaker 1: yards on a punt return or something. You can't have

505
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Speaker 1: things like that happen.

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Speaker 2: Right. Major shifts in field position even are a big

507
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Speaker 2: deal in this game.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're gonna get to a break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right

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Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale

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Speaker 1: LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and that we have

513
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Speaker 1: a practice report here from the Steelers. Uh. We got

514
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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett obviously not practicing. Sure, Naujie Harris with a

515
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: knee didn't practice today, But I don't know that that's anything.

516
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 2: I've been running back with a big workload that hasn't

517
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Speaker 2: missed any time all year on a short week.

518
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Speaker 1: Never missed a game.

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Speaker 2: Day off.

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Speaker 1: I think he'll be Okay, MIKEA. Fitzpatrick with that hand

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Speaker 1: a full participant. James Pierre did not practice. He's got

522
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Speaker 1: that shoulder issue.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the dark on the mega thing. Is it

524
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Speaker 2: a broken hand?

525
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Speaker 1: He broke a bone in his hands?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I thought, so is it a cast situation? Do

527
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Speaker 2: you have any idea how though.

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Speaker 1: He didn't a club didn't have a cast on today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, so he should be able to catch

530
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Speaker 2: a football.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, they probably splinted up a little bit and

532
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Speaker 1: put you know, put a glove on it. Maybe you

533
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Speaker 1: put a plate on the glove or whatever.

534
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Speaker 2: The smaller bones and they who knows, Okay, I.

535
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Speaker 1: Don't know which bone is. Yeah, he was able to

536
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Speaker 1: play through it. H Landon Roberts a limited participant.

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Speaker 2: That's good news. And even if it's not this week,

538
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Speaker 2: if you could get him back for Indy, that would

539
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Speaker 2: be huge. Yeah. I would take that in a heartbeat.

540
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Speaker 1: Montrevious Adams a full participant.

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Speaker 2: I was shocked he was inactive, but they have a

542
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Speaker 2: lot of good Degliman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like why rush it and you

544
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Speaker 1: don't need it.

545
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Speaker 2: I mean they got guys like Leal that hardly play

546
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Speaker 2: that are just stuck in behind good guys. Yeah.

547
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Speaker 1: H Mason Cole, with a neck injury, was limited. Uh

548
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Speaker 1: that's a second day or for that, but I don't

549
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Speaker 1: know that that's expected to be anything. Isaac sam Malo

550
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Speaker 1: limited today. Interesting, so there's a good chance they have

551
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Speaker 1: him back on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Right real quick. I mean, if see Amalu and Cole

553
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Speaker 2: were out, Herbig would be the guard Anderson be the center.

554
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Speaker 2: You think I have no idea, Yeah, I mean that

555
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Speaker 2: one we haven't crossed yet, but I assume that's how

556
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Speaker 2: it would be. Or maybe they'd flip, or maybe Herbig

557
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Speaker 2: would be the center.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Herbig would Yeah, I don't know, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

560
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I want to find out.

561
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Speaker 2: No, I definitely don't. Or maybe you put Chukes back

562
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Speaker 2: in and put more at guard, or I don't know,

563
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Speaker 2: I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Daniels is the center.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, interesting, but I don't think

566
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Speaker 2: we're going to come to that. I would bet one

567
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Speaker 2: or two of those guys play or see them all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna bet both.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Keanu Benton with that oblique issue limited again today.

571
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Speaker 2: He's a young guy, he'll be fine, that'll be fine.

572
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then Cam Hayward limited, he was resting yesterday.

573
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Speaker 1: So all in all, better than what I thought it

574
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Speaker 1: was gonna.

575
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Speaker 2: Look like, that's way better. I mean, even if Roberts

576
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Speaker 2: is one, we'll only miss a game, a full game.

577
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Speaker 2: That would be wonderful and see them Alu I assumed

578
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Speaker 2: was out for this game. Maybe I jumped the gun

579
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Speaker 2: on that Mink is gonna play with broken hand? Great

580
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Speaker 2: Adams could come back and sound like he could have

581
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Speaker 2: came back last week tremendous. And you mentioned Benton. So

582
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Speaker 2: I do a daily, real short podcast for DK Pittsford Sports,

583
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Speaker 2: and you know, I kind of wrapped up Arizona today

584
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Speaker 2: and like, these guys were a little better than I thought.

585
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Speaker 2: These guys were a little worse than I thought. My

586
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Speaker 2: note on Benton was he's a bad mofo. It was

587
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Speaker 2: all I said about Every time I watch him, it's

588
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Speaker 2: like he's better than I even thought. And I thought

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Speaker 2: he was amazing last week. I mean, he's unbelievad.

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Speaker 1: Every week he's just better and better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was thinking about it, like you're light

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Speaker 2: at linebacker. You know, this team wants to run the

593
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Speaker 2: ball like I might have a nose him or Adams

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Speaker 2: on the field every snaight all the time. Stuff up

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Speaker 2: front five the whole time, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't gotten the stuff yet from the

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Speaker 1: league that usually doesn't come out until tomorrow. I'll be

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Speaker 1: interested to see how much eleven personnel the Patriots played,

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Speaker 1: because I'll bet it's not a lot.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I can tell you in two seconds. I was

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Speaker 2: doing that in the hallway before we came out here.

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Speaker 2: It's it's very low, yeah, because the receiver sting, and

603
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Speaker 2: that means there's.

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Speaker 1: No reason to have three of them on the field,

605
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Speaker 1: because absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: So only one offense uses twelve at a higher rate

607
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Speaker 2: than New England. Not that their tight ends are wonderful,

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Speaker 2: but that goes back to Hernandez Gronk. I mean, they've

609
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Speaker 2: been a high twelve personnel team. They pay tight ends,

610
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Speaker 2: whether they should or not, John why Smith, Henry, and

611
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Speaker 2: that also helps their tackles. Then they're also the sixth

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Speaker 2: highest usage of thirteen three tight ends and oh one,

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Speaker 2: which is a very small amount, but it's a back,

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Speaker 2: a tight end. Four receivers, but I wouldn't even look

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Speaker 2: into that. But so they're twenty seventh and eleven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so your guy, you're gonna be in your base

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Speaker 1: a lot, a lot.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I'd even consider a six man front,

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Speaker 2: but Adams and Benton, you know, and just have one backer,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just get big. Yeah, I mean, this is this

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Speaker 1: is a team. Their offensive line is actually kind of

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Speaker 1: They like the hefty guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh they do. Trent Brown's the perfect example. But yeah,

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00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: they do not want You.

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Speaker 1: Don't want the little athletic dudes. They want the big

627
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Speaker 1: plugger It's the same thing on their defensive line. That's

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Speaker 1: why they stopped to run so well. Is they get

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Speaker 1: a bunch of big three hundred and thirty pound dudes.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, that's a Belichick Parcels thing from forty

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Speaker 2: years ago. Is they want huge human beings. They went

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Speaker 2: New York Giants Jim Burt and Lawrence Taylor, and you know,

633
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Speaker 2: going back to that and their defensive tackles, they always

634
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: have two huge pluggers, and their linebackers are to forty

635
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: and look more like Kirkland than they do Kean O'Neill,

636
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, that's just how they're.

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00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: It's how Dougger's a monstrous two.

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00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: And twenty pounds. Yeah right, they want big people. I

639
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: mean that's a Belichick thing.

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00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: So it's absolutely they're they're gonna be They're gonna be big.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna try to push you around. Well, don't let

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Speaker 1: them do that. I mean, Ezekiel Ali at this point

643
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: in his career, has no burst.

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Speaker 2: No, he didn't with the Cowboys last year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but he's a tough runner.

646
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Speaker 2: Tough runner, great vision, good and protection, capable receiver, just

647
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: no burster, you know, run away from you stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he'll stick his head in there and get

649
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: what's get what's there and more so, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I'll be interested to see what they what they do,

651
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Speaker 1: how they attack that.

652
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, put a lot of I would respect a

653
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: lot of big people out of defense for the for

654
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: the Steelers, which is the Steelers. Big people are better

655
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Speaker 2: than Patriots big people when New England has a ball. Yeah,

656
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Speaker 2: I mean, if Cam Hayward's your third or fourth biggest

657
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: guy on the field, you know what I mean.

658
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm with you on bent and I think

659
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: he's he's a he is a star in the making.

660
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking here to.

661
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: See if I can get a Patriots injury report. And

662
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: let's see here they updated theirs. That is still from

663
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: last week. That's no good, but yeah they've they've.

664
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Speaker 2: We'll get around to him sure in the next hour

665
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: and a half.

666
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Speaker 1: Oh, this one's updated twenty one minutes ago. So there

667
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: we go. Uh, Patriots injury report did not participate today.

668
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: Uh the Mario Douglas with a concussion, Ormandre Stevenson with

669
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: the ankle. It's two pretty big players.

670
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Speaker 2: I mean, people right don't know who Douglas, but he's

671
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: been a quietly a nice story for them. Yeah, he's

672
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: he's actually somebody to build around. He's a good receiver,

673
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: Like if he were a Steeler, he might be their

674
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: third receiver. Like, he's a good player. So if I

675
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: could take two people out of their offense, it might

676
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: be Douglas and definitely this.

677
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Speaker 1: Might be their two fastest guys on offense.

678
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Speaker 2: They're definitely the two most dynamic. Yeah, you know, like

679
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: for their position. Yeah, without question.

680
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: Stevenson's really good limited participation was Christian Barmore.

681
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: With the shoulder. I'd love to have him too.

682
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: Chris Board with the back. Kayshawn Butte was upgraded. Like yesterday,

683
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: he did not practice today he practiced. He still has

684
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: a shoulder injury.

685
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: I mean he's an undrafted slow receiver too.

686
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Trent Brown with the ankle in the hand, Devonte

687
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: Parker with a knee, Riley Reef with a knee, Juju

688
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: Smith Shuster with an ankle. Removed from the injury list

689
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: from yesterday. Ezekiel Elliott, City, sal Sean Wade, and Dietrich

690
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: Wise Junior one of those big pluggers in the middle.

691
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Wyse isn't a bad player. Yeah, you mentioned

692
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: this earlier today when we were talking about doing that video.

693
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: We do they need they need two running backs active

694
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: and one went down who was playing every snap and

695
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: touching the ball like every play. And then Zeke who

696
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: we know who he is, and frankly, they're fortunate to

697
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: have him, but not many teams in the league were

698
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: very interested when he was on the open market. So

699
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: Montgomery Ti Montgomery, who's kind of been a little of both,

700
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: took some like three backfield snaps because he was active

701
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: mostly as a returner, special team or guy. I don't

702
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: know what else they have. They traded Pierre.

703
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: Strong I'm looking here now, so they got Jamichael Hasty.

704
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: Okay, he must have been an actor. So I'm not

705
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: sure if he's healthy or it's he and I are.

706
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Speaker 1: He's on the active roster. On the active roster are Stevenson, Montgomery,

707
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: and Ezekiel Elliotto.

708
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: And Montgomery really isn't a running back.

709
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Speaker 1: The practice squad. Do they have a running back on

710
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: the practice squad? They have Kevin Harris on their practice.

711
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 2: Squad, so they drafted him like two years ago. He's

712
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: kind of of a surprise surprise monotone athlete that doesn't

713
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: run great. Yeah, okay, so again, where's the speed?

714
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Hasty has some speed, he's tiny.

715
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's good in protection or helps

716
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: on special teams, so therefore he doesn't play much.

717
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was, he's been inactive. You know, it's

718
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: just so much to look at here and go, boy,

719
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: they what do they have to hang your hat on?

720
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: Off? And traditionally, and Stevenson's kind of been both these

721
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: guys rolled into one because I do think he's one

722
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: of the more underrated with backs in the league. But

723
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: they always had a Ridley and a Veren, you know,

724
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: they always had a power back like Garrett Blunt. I mean,

725
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: if they're not great players and White, you know, I

726
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 2: mean a guy like that that's a really dynamic receiver.

727
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: And they don't even have those guys now. Yeah, and

728
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: I know Brady's gone, but it's still Belichick and a

729
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: lot of the same playbook and the same style quarterback.

730
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: Like a dynamic receiving back would go a long way

731
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: for these guys.

732
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: They've always kind of had that guy.

733
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: They've always had that guy. They don't they don't, Yeah,

734
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: they were, but Hasty would be that guy. But I

735
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: guess again, not great talent evaluation.

736
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just so if they're gonna spring something on

737
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: the Steelers in this game, to me, it's cunning him.

738
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're probably right. What else I mean,

739
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

740
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean, they can try to throw their tight ends,

741
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: but they haven't done that a lot this year. Early

742
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: in the year, they were throwing to the tight end.

743
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: So I have some stuff on that I think played

744
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: six snaps on.

745
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: I say, he's really really getting phased out. I mean,

746
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: this kind of sums it up too. Like they have

747
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: nine different pass catchers with between one hundred and fifty

748
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: four and four hundred and ten receiving yards four and

749
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: ten receiving yards. This point isn't that great. And that's

750
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: Stevenson who's out. He's their number one. So they got

751
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: nine they're basically searching. They got nine guys that have

752
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: caught passes. So Hunter Henry, you know, like Trade McBride

753
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: at a phenomenal game and Steelers he averaged three point

754
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: five six yards per route run. That's awesome. You know,

755
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: Friarmuth was like that at Cincinnati two weeks ago. Hunter

756
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: Henry average point six to two yards per route run.

757
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: You know, like they don't even hardly.

758
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: He's running the route.

759
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: He's yeah, he's out there doing running routes. But he's okay.

760
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: I mean like he would play for anyone. He wouldn't

761
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: start for half the teams, but he's okay. It seems

762
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 2: like they could utilize him a little more. They didn't

763
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: play a lot of twelve. They play a lot of thirteen.

764
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: So he's out there.

765
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. Again. I think if if

766
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: you don't turn the ball over and you win that

767
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: field position battle, if you can if I told you,

768
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: Matt that Thursday night, it's midnight and New England's average

769
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: starting position was their own.

770
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: Twenty, that'll be fine. Yeah, I'll make them go eighty.

771
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you take that all day long, right, because the

772
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: other part of the equation is even when they get

773
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: into the field goal range, well, the field goal kickers

774
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: bad twelve for eighteen on the season.

775
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: That's another uncharacteristic Patriot thing, like they're always the top

776
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: of the league. Well they have. They work for twenty

777
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: years in special teams. But one of the reasons was

778
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: they Invinitary then they had Goskowski. They like foundational decade

779
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: long kickers that they paid money, they drafted.

780
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: And they're one of the time They've always kept four

781
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: or five guys on their roster, specifically to play special team.

782
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: Jackie Slater's kid. Yeah, yeah, all those dudes right right,

783
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: right then, I don't know who they are. Maybe they

784
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: still do, but it's not happen they do.

785
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem is is they're not good, and they're

786
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: not they don't. Then they don't give you anything defensively

787
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: at all.

788
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: Exactly. That's hard to do offensively.

789
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Slater's not going to play on offense for you.

790
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: It's hard to keep a lot of Matti Kaevitch's and

791
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: Killer Brew's, you know. I mean, they have value, but

792
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: you don't want them out there on offensive defense.

793
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: And it always seems to work when you have Tom

794
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Brady covering up your warts.

795
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.

796
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: And they don't have that. They haven't had that. In

797
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: Belichick's record since Brady left is now well below five hundred.

798
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: It is so another note. You know you mentioned last

799
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: week's your last season's game. They I mean the lead

800
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers and Nelson Aguilar had fifteen catches for two

801
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: hundred and five yards. Well, they're not there. They have

802
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: nineteen targets to Agalar and Myers, which isn't that scary,

803
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: And that they would kill free the one of those

804
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: right now. I mean, that's how bad it is. I mean,

805
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: it's just there's not much to go off of. And

806
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 2: that was a.

807
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: Bad offseason decision by them to let Jacoby Myers go and.

808
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: Kept Juju or went and spent money on Juju. I mean,

809
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: like Myers would be. They'd have eighty five catches for

810
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: them right now.

811
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, not fair to mac Jones.

812
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: Not fair to mac Jones. If you're going to develop

813
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: a quarterback, you can't do that.

814
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: You can't just give him nobody. You can't give them

815
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: nobody right now. They've tried, they tried, they spent draft picks.

816
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: Belichick I saw there's something today. Belichick hasn't drafted a

817
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: receiver who has stuck in the league and been become

818
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: a starter for more than like a year since uh

819
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: what's his face? Brown in twenty two thousand and two.

820
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: Troy Troy Brown. Wow, that's unbelievable.

821
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Dean Branch.

822
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: Dean Branch, it's still a millionaires and the same point taken. Yeah,

823
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: I mean to kill Harry and some of these guys

824
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: they've tried, and then they've had the retreads too, the

825
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: Chad Johnson's and people like that.

826
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: They try that all the time.

827
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean like Randy Moss worked out. Obviously

828
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: Welker worked out, but since then, no, and the not

829
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: the excuse, but the the theory always was, Brady's been

830
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: here so long, We're not going to change the playbook.

831
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 2: We just keep adding another chapter to the phone book,

832
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: you know. And so when new guys to come in

833
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: and learn that, which is harder than most situations, which

834
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: is kind of what's happening in the Kansas City right now,

835
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: but that doesn't hold water anymore with young quarterbacks. And

836
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 2: you know, keep Jacoby Myers.

837
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: Keep Jacoby. I mean, you had the money to do it.

838
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: You had the money to sign Juju. You had the

839
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: money to sign Jacoby Myers.

840
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: And again I'm not you're just bashing the Patriots to

841
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 2: no end. But it also takes two to tango, and people.

842
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: Maybe don't want to be there, they don't play there.

843
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not fun. It's it wasn't fun when

844
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 2: they were winning Super Bowls, but you got playoff checks

845
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: and rings, and you want Super Bowl it was a

846
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: lot better than not.

847
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: You know, right, Absolutely, we're gonna get tough another break.

848
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale LOLLI. You're

849
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: listening to the drive. You're on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll

850
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: be back with more right after this. More cal belt,

851
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: that's what we need.

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Speaker 2: More. Yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here

860
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. And just so people understand here

861
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: that we're not just picking.

862
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: On we're break down the opponent.

863
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: Right looking here at the FTN Fantasy DVOA rankings, I'm

864
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: going to take a look at the DAVE rankings for

865
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: the time because this takes into account who you've played.

866
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that is noteworthy. There's a note I

867
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: want to find on that.

868
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: Especially at this time of the year. And so the

869
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: Patriots are twenty ninth on offense.

870
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: Wow, in DVA that includes a good running game.

871
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: And that includes a good running game. They're eleventh on defense,

872
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: so okay, they're above average there. They're thirty first on

873
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: special teams.

874
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: Special teams is brutal, so they.

875
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: Are twenty seventh overall, and Dave the Steelers are eighth.

876
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of that has to do with

877
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: who they played. I told you this little special team's

878
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: note while we were break. I mean, so DVOA and

879
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: EPA are very similar and they basically value the same things.

880
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 2: But when you combine their kickoff and punt returns, New

881
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: England is a distant thirty second in EPA and their

882
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: last and EPA gained from field goals. You know, so

883
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: like all their quote offensive things they kick to you

884
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: is a ponder kick return or you're trying to kick

885
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: it through the uprights to score points. They're last, not

886
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: so good their last you.

887
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, it's it's there's a lot of if.

888
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 2: You could be middle of the pack in those things,

889
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: they might have two more wins, yeah, or middle of

890
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: the pack and turnovers, they might have two more wins

891
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: and their turnover stuff's horrible too. There, I think they're

892
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: second worst in the league.

893
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, none of it's good.

894
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: No, it just isn't, you know. So Againts have to win.

895
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, this is one that they have they can't. Okay,

896
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: you had you won last week? Yeah, you know, it's

897
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: no different than the Jaguars losing to the Bengals at home.

898
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: You get one of those. You can't have multiple of those.

899
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: Still hope to be a playoff?

900
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: No, do you lose that right if you can't take

901
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: care of a team like this.

902
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would expect you hear stuff coming out

903
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: of a locker room after a loss, and sometimes you

904
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: got to take it with a grain of salt and

905
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: how is the question phrased? And things of that nature.

906
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: But you know, a couple of players talking about, well,

907
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we took them lightly last week, folks.

908
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with Matt and I. Maybe

909
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: if we take them lightly, that's completely different than the

910
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: players doing so.

911
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wasn't in the locker room, So I

912
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: always take player quotes with a grain of salt, and

913
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: frankly I ignored them a lot because I know players

914
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 2: are good at telling people what they want to hear. Yeah,

915
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: but reading some quotes, you got the feeling that they

916
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: took the Cardinals lightly.

917
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: You know.

918
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: They said things like, yeah, that's a good NFL, that

919
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: they're a real NFL organization, Like you should know that

920
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: going in, you know, like or you know, one I

921
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: didn't like was maybe we didn't respect how good trade

922
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: McBride is until you know later that yeah, yeah, it's like,

923
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: well watch them going into the game. He's pretty good

924
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: then too, you know, so there is a human nature

925
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: to that. You know, I was talking about a show

926
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: is on with Wolf that it is hard to be

927
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: up for all seventeen games. It's you know, Raven's week.

928
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: That wouldn't have been an issue, it's not. Okay, that's the.

929
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: Part of that equation is if it's when it's a

930
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: team that you don't play a lot, like the Cardinals

931
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: or like whoever. Sure, yeah, I mean there's a tendency

932
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: we don't a you don't know their personnel quite as well.

933
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: You don't hear much about them because they're in the

934
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: NFC and they're not winning.

935
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: Right.

936
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: It's not the Niners, yeah right, this is the Patriots.

937
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

938
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: True, Belichick still standing on the other sideline. This is

939
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: a team that came in here and beat you last

940
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: year seventeen fourteen.

941
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: And I know some of it goes back before even

942
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: the Cam Haywards were around, but they've whipped up on

943
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: the Steelers over the years in crucial games. You know,

944
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: like everyone's aware of that stuff.

945
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: So you know you're gonna be You're not gonna You're

946
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: not gonna sleep walk your way through this one.

947
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: You're not gonna This team has dominated the league for

948
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: two decades. Yeah, up until a couple of years.

949
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: Now, you have the opportunity to kick them when they're down.

950
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the league is doing that to

951
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: New England too. There's no mercy for this team now

952
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: when they when they're down. No one's feeling bad for

953
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: the Patriots, No, not at all at all. Been a

954
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: dominant franchise.

955
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: But you know, so you know a lot of it

956
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: comes back to they weren't prepared. It's what's on the coaching.

957
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: You go the coaching. I can guarantee you this. I

958
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: see every practice, I see what they're doing, I see

959
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: what they're being told. The coaching doesn't change regardless of

960
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: the opponent.

961
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: I'm sure, yeah, yeah, But what you.

962
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: Can't measure is how much, how how closely are these

963
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: players paying attention in the meetings? How close? How close?

964
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

965
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: Are they doing as you know? Well, Usually during the week,

966
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 1: I'll watch two extra hours of film on whatever.

967
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: On my left tackle I'm going against or this you know,

968
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: nose tackle I get a block.

969
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: This week we just had the Cardinals. I'm not going

970
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: to do that.

971
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: That might happen, that might happen, I have no I have.

972
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: No knowledge whether that happens or not, but I it

973
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me.

974
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: If it did right right in every building once or

975
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: twice a year, and then across the league. I'm gonna

976
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: go to my kids party.

977
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: So that was the first Monday night game in Jacksonville

978
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: in like eleven years.

979
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: Last night, you would think they'd be as up as humanly.

980
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: Possible, and they lost to the Bengals.

981
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: So Bengals quarterback played quite well for him, you know,

982
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: like exceeded expectations undeniable. But you wonder, again, this is

983
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: Monday morning quarterbacking. Would the Jags have had a better

984
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: chance of winning if Burrow were healthy just because of

985
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: all those things? Yeah, I'm not going to leave the

986
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: facility early that week, you know what I mean. I

987
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: can't just roll it out there, you know, like now

988
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: I'm petrified to this team, backs against the wall, all

989
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: those things, you know. I mean, it's you can't overlook

990
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: the human nature of it. But you're not excusing it either. No,

991
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: you lost to a bad team. And frankly, I think

992
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: if they played the Cardinals ten times, they win eight

993
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: and a half of them, you know, but not that day.

994
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I again, maybe you know, people people complain on

995
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: what you you know, you make, you try to excuse

996
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to excuse anything away. What I do, however,

997
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: is sit and look at the big p picture, and

998
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: I wait for the season to play itself out before

999
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 1: I make any blanket statements about things.

1000
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes. And I don't think you can

1001
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: discount losing Roberts that that sequence where sequence was awful.

1002
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: There was a one minute of real time, five minutes

1003
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: of real time.

1004
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: If it would be Hayward what and make I Fitzpatrick,

1005
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: it couldn't have been any more.

1006
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: Impact pactful, right in terms of how the outcome of

1007
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: the game was or whatever.

1008
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: If you were if you were putting together a list

1009
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: of six or seven guys that you couldn't lose.

1010
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 2: All in five minutes of real time or whatever.

1011
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: I guarantee you landon. Roberts and Kenny Pickett would have

1012
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: been very high on that.

1013
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: List, whether they're great players or not, just in terms

1014
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: of we can't orderly do yeah, yeah.

1015
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and their importance to the team at that particular.

1016
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 2: Moment and you don't get in been different if okay,

1017
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: nausea somehow gets into the end zone there and you

1018
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: kick off in the twenty five and even if they

1019
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: do drive down the field for seventy five yards, if

1020
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: you get seven.

1021
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: If Kenny Pickett doesn't get hurt there, I guarantee, I

1022
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: almost almost fully guarantee that they run a quarterback sneak there.

1023
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: I think so too. I think it's asking a lot

1024
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: of Trubisky to either throw or sneak cold off.

1025
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. You just came in off the bench. You haven't

1026
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: taken a hit, you haven't taken a snap.

1027
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, weather, it's not great things like that too, you know,

1028
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: just get the snap, you know, right. So I still

1029
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 2: would have put him behind center. That's one of my complaints.

1030
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: That's not going to change. But yeah, you're right. I

1031
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 2: mean that was a rough turn of events, without question.

1032
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: These aren't excuses, folks. I mean there's reality. Yeah, I

1033
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 2: mean if the Cardinals didn't play a perfect game either

1034
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: they had a drop or two that would have changed

1035
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: things in their favor. You can look at things through

1036
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 2: their eyes too. Yeah.

1037
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: Anyways, we're going to get to a break here that's

1038
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: going to do it for our number one. He is

1039
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lallie, you're listening to the drive.

1040
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: We'll be back with our number two right after this.