WEBVTT - How Bigfoot Works 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.199 Brought to you by the two thousand twelve Toyota Camray. 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:08.039 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:19.560 from House Stuff works dot com. Chuck, before we get started, 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:24.959 let's plug our Brooklyn thing, our live event. Guys. We 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.640 are throwing a premiere party for the TV show Slash 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.240 Stuff You should variety show at the Bell House and 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:36.880 Lovely Goanas, Brooklyn, New York. This is January eight, and 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.360 uh this says tickets were covering a cost on this 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.199 one and tickets are ten dollars. You can go to 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.640 uh the Bell House in y dot com or just 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.800 google that junk and go to the Bellhouse. Findus on 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.920 the calendar January eight. 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Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.640 I'm Josh Clark with me as always a Charles W. 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.360 Chuck Bryant and um that makes this stuff. You should 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:40.200 know the podcast. A right, is that a wookie? That 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:44.720 is me messing with Sasquatch? It sounded more like, um, 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.840 Frankenstein from starright Live. I remember that. I love that 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:54.280 frankast Panto and Tarzan Tarzan classic skit. Have you seen 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:58.840 the commercials Messing with Sasquatch? Yeah, Jack Links, it's pretty funny. Yeah, 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.480 all of them are. It's one of my favorite spots. Actually, 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:07.120 well it contradicts, um, I witness reports that paint Bigfoot 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.079 is kind of a benign, shy creature. Now as far 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.840 as Jack Links is concerned, he goes a gro when you, um, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.600 when you mess with him. I guess that's what it is. 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.640 So I have an actual intro for this one. All right, 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.520 let's here, we're talking Bigfoot and very recently there's some 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:29.000 enormous huge news um and um, we should probably preface 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.639 this one like, if you are a skeptic, don't worry, 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.000 We're gonna give your side of this too. But we 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:40.600 have found over the years that UM, it's very respectful 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:45.359 to give voice to both sides. We try to and UM, 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.240 we're not insulting you by speaking the other person's side. 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.040 Will express your side as well, and when we do that, 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.360 we're not insulting the other side. And at the end 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.320 of the day, it's about Bigfoot. So let's not get 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.560 so worked up. Calm down, you know, it's all just fun. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:06.239 There's a a self professed veterinarian with twenty seven years 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:13.880 experience including forensics named um Dr Melba Catchum Melba s 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:18.720 catchum and she supposedly she claims got her hands on 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:24.360 some UH samples of Bigfoot hair and has been testing 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.560 it do running genetic tests on it, and recently announced 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.080 and wrote a paper that's under puer view as it 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:36.000 stands now, UM that she she managed to isolate three 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:43.280 separate nuclear um d NA. Okay, that that came from 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:47.760 three separate groups. So one is the nuclear DNA. Remember, 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.040 so you have UM. Nuclear DNA is the mixture of 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:55.320 the mothers and the father's DNA. Mitochondrial DNA is strictly 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.440 from the mother. So the researcher found the nuclear DNA 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:04.800 came from a human Bigfoot, which is a hybrid of 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.560 the human and this third species and non human species 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.920 doesn't know what it is yet, but supposedly that's what 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:18.080 this hair sample showed. Then this is just now right, Yeah, 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.880 I believe they made this announcement like in late November, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.800 early December, which is now under peer review. It is 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:25.520 under peer review. That doesn't mean that it's going to 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:30.039 pass peer review, but she submitted the paper for peer review. Um. Now, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.560 she said that the the mitochondrial DNA in the sample 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:39.360 was human, which means that this third thing, Bigfoot, is 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:44.000 the product of a female woman and a this non 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:49.200 human species, the mystery species reproducing and forming Bigfoot. And 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.080 she says that she isolated it to about fifteen thousand 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:58.560 years ago. Now, anybody who's followed Dr Ketchum's career can 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.400 poke holes all in this. There was apparently I read 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:05.320 an early draft of the paper that she said this third, 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:11.600 this third um species was an angel and people skeptics 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.160 love beating up on people like this. But my hat 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.920 is off to her for first of all, undergoing this 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:22.600 using the scientific method to root out um the unexplained. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.840 That's extremely forty in nature and I love that stuff um. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:28.640 And then secondly to put it up for peer of 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.640 view and to face that that kind of criticism. One 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.600 of the big problems that she she isn't saying like 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.880 where this sample, how she knows this is a sample 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.599 of Bigfoot's DNA. She didn't say where she got it, 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.600 not that not that I could find. And I actually 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.840 saw in one article that she's not saying where it, 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.000 where it came from. So there's a lot of holes 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:50.080 in it. But if you wanted big current bigfoot news, 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.839 that's about as big as it gets. That's right. Uh, 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:58.360 not quite as current as our our own law officer 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.720 here in Georgia. Is that last year the year before 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.640 the one up in the North Grogia. Yeah, man with 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.800 with his freezer, I didn't follow that very close. I'm 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.440 gonna go ahead and say that I really want to 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.480 believe in Bigfoot or not want to believe. I want to. 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.720 I want there to be a Bigfoot. I don't think 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.279 there is that means you want to believe in, but 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.520 I still want to. I want to believe it's out there, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.560 because it's just it would be so cool. And whenever, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.440 when when I saw that story, the sheriff and I 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.080 think he's a sheriff or deputy in North Georgia. It 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:31.960 was a hoax, of course, but he said he had 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.640 a body in a freezer and they showed pictures of this. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.720 Uh ah, what you know? It was a guerrilla suit, right, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.440 that's what ended up being with and it had guts, 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.320 had like animal entrails, but it looked like initially like, 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.279 oh man, that looks like a dead bigfoot, and then 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.120 you look closer and it's like a suit that you 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.120 can get online. I wish I had that kind of 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.480 time to do stuff like that. Yeah, apparently portrayed hoax. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.360 Apparently they were trying to try drum up, but potential 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.600 business for leading big foot tours in North Georgia. It's 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.159 a sound way to do it until you get found 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:13.080 out and then ultimately either retire or get fired. Could 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.680 still work. Oh well, okay he lost his day job, 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.679 is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, you can't do stuff 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.160 like that. If you're a cop, you can't pull a hoax. Now, 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.240 you can't pull a hoax and try and snow people 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.520 for money. That's not that's not legal. I don't know 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.840 that it is illegal to uh to snow people for money, 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.240 to promise them something that's not true and charge This 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.400 guy says that you call it fraud, No, it's a hoax. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.880 There's a big difference between fraud and hoax people. If 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.120 he had the business, it would be fraud. No. That 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.920 would be like if he promised that you were going 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.400 to see Bigfoot, not a big Foot tour, but he 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.480 said you're gonna see Bigfoot on this tour and he didn't, 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:55.920 then you could get him for fraud. I think you 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.640 would still be fraud if he founded that business and 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.920 advertise it on a s premise, which is I found 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.160 this thing. Look at it. Yeah, I see your point. Yeah, 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.520 let's let's talk about Bigfoot. This guy up in North 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.640 Georgia is pretty far from the only person to pull 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:17.000 a declared Bigfoot hoax. Um. What keeps this thing going 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.040 is that there's some stuff out there that's considered this 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.120 body of evidence of big Foot's existence that hasn't been 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:29.520 definitively debunked and right. One of the other things that 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.600 I think people who are believers in Bigfoot, like the 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.760 ones that are out there like looking for Bigfoot and 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.800 believe in Bigfoot. One of the things that keeps them 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:43.160 going also is this correlation between Bigfoot sightings among people 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.600 of European descent and big Foot legends of Native American 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.920 tribes long before the Europeans ever got here. And if 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.920 you um, if you look at the names of that 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.560 these different tribes have and take a step back, you're like, Wow, 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.640 these tribes were all over the place. There, somewhere in 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:04.160 the Pacific Northwest, somewhere in Florida, somewhere in Um, the north, 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.600 northeastern United States, and eastern Canada, and all of them 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:13.520 have this weird um tall giant hairy man legend that 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.240 they have a name for UM, even though they're you know, 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.680 geographically scattered all over the place. And it's possible that 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.640 they these all of these different Um legends share a 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.400 single common ancestor that it's further back, maybe located on 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:32.720 the steps of Eurasia, but it's also kind of noteworthy 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.600 that they all have different legends for it. Him Alay 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:41.280 is even the yetty incominable snowman in Asia very popular UM. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.160 Apparently you hear that one more than you see it. Yeah, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.480 which I didn't know. But we should call this thing 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.319 sasquatch because that is the most common name they use nowadays. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.480 And um, even though some of the names from Native 0:09:54.480 --> 0:10:00.559 American tribes when day go yeah, yeah, that's correct, ohma, 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.760 rugaru and books is some of the names that this 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.679 has gone by Native American lord, but sashquatch, shash squatch 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.800 comes from I have no idea how to pronounce that. 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:18.320 It looks like sess shock anyway, that that word in 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.280 another word from the area around British Columbia were similar 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:26.360 enough that in the nineteen twenties, white school teacher named J. W. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.160 Burns coined the term sasquatch. And it's basically it's the 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:34.760 umbrella term for any big foot like man, right, so 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.920 we should. Even though these sightings have varied in their 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.360 description over the years, there a few hallmarks that pop up. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.079 One is that this is a tall beast between seven 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:50.360 and fifteen feet, which is that enormous. Yeah, I haven't 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:52.720 most of the ones I've heard of between like seven 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.599 or eight feet. Have you seen the troll hunter? I 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.120 saw that recently. Actually, that first troll that they watched 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.760 the guy s happen turing this tone. That thing was 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.480 about fifteen ft tall. That's huge. Yeah, that was a 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.440 pretty good movie. I'd buy ten ft no way, no way. Yeah. 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.120 Did you like the movie was excellent? Yeah? I kind 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.840 of got it kind of wore on me towards the end. 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.200 I thought it was a little long, but it was 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.600 pretty cool. Yeah, and the imagination that it used was 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:24.560 just beautiful. Totally agreed. Un people, Um it walks on 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.319 two legs, that's a big one. Was that bipedal? That 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:33.680 what they say? Um, it's upright and has a loping gate. Um, 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.920 he's seeing the elf right the movie Elf. Yeah, the 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.640 one shot where they mimic the uh, the famous sixteen 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.600 millimeter film where it's so it's Will Ferrell and Central 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.839 Park and they like have that from frame three fifty 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.000 two of the sixteen millimeter film. It's pretty funny. So 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.440 Will Ferrell's doing sens. Yeah, it says like, you know, 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.680 the strange Elf was seen wandering through Central Park and 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.679 they mimic that. Yeah Frell. Yeah, it was very good. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.760 Um and then long reddish fur that's a big one, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.760 reddish brown. That's and that's really interesting that it's um, 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.680 that Sasquatch is typically described as having long, reddish brown fur. Ye, 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.760 that's a really specific thing for everybody report. And again 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.600 it's possible that like people have heard other reports and said, 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.360 you know, that's what they're expecting to see or that's 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.719 what they're reporting because that's what Sasquatch has. But it's 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:28.559 still it's significant. Um, you said that the YETI uh 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.840 was more heard than seen. Bigfoot is usually more seen 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:37.720 than heard. But when Bigfoot is heard, um that he 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:43.760 makes gurgling noises, howling noises, noises that sound totally alien 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.080 to the people reporting it. Yeah. I've heard weird noises 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:51.040 in the woods camping all my life, and I've never thought, oh, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.400 that's a big Foot. I just think that's just something 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.000 some animal making a strange sound that I've never heard 0:12:56.440 --> 0:13:00.880 because you live in the city, that's right. Uh. Supposedly 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.079 this uh Sasquatch also has sort of a man like face, 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:08.280 and reports from either being really really really smelly to 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.640 not smelling at all. Oh yeah, that's not in this article. 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.520 I forgot about how smelly Bigfoot is supposed to be. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.680 I've heard that many times. Um. They're also supposedly very 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.480 wary of people, but also at the same time intensely 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:28.400 curious about us. Um and Uh. A lot of people 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.199 who have made eyewitness reports say that they weren't scared, 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.079 which is weird. Yeah. Most people say that, like, I 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:40.040 didn't feel threatened, right, and that kind of jibes with um. 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:45.760 Most Native Americans legends about Bigfoot that it was Um, 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:50.040 it's a a benign creature. Uh, and often it's it 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:55.120 has intellect and um, it's given spiritual powers in Native 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:59.960 American lore. So it wasn't something to be afraid of. Sasquatches, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.880 your friend. Yeah. Uh, they usually are by themselves, but 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.720 there have been reports of several of these sasquatches hanging 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.720 out together and chatting. Yeah, but for the most part 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.640 they're usually alone. Right. Um. So you put all this 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.960 together and you've got like a pretty good common It's 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.440 like the A. K. C. Breed for sasquatch. These are 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:26.640 its characteristics. I love it, Okay. Um. If you take 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.320 this at at face value, which you should. Sure if 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.520 you're a skeptic, you should always look at things at 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.760 face value, not just immediately dismissed her poop po it. Yeah, 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:37.920 trying to get to the bottom of it. And that's 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:42.560 what we're about to do now. The first question is, um, 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:48.920 could a creature that matches this description possibly exists? Yeah, 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.480 And it's important when considering this to point out that 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.320 we'd have never despite all the sightings and little still 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.560 shots and film clips and audio clips, there's never been 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.640 any conclusive evidence. They've never found bones, but that's huge 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.040 or anything like that. Um, a lot of footprints and 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:09.520 stuff like that. So moving forward, could this exist perhaps 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.640 in the giganto Pithecus, right, because that's a creature that 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.120 that actually did exist at some point. And it says 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.920 here in the article that the gigant epithecis Pipthecus, which 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.960 is the largest primate in the fossil record, lived between 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.200 one and nine million years ago. Actually, I saw an 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.280 article that had updated that to about a hundred thousand 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:35.600 years ago, which meant that humans and Gigantapipthecus lived side 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.880 by side. Have you seen this thing I have looks 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.520 like a big foot, um, you know, yeah, And then like, oh, well, 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:43.880 I guess if someone saw that in the woods, I 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.280 would think it was a sasquad um. It lived in 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:51.600 Southeast Asia or in Central Asia, and it's a relative 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.040 of the orangutane. Yeah, big time. So it looks a 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.480 lot like one. Yeah, this is all extremely interesting stuff 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:03.280 in case you didn't know. Because orangutans, for starters, have 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:08.720 reddish hair, reddish orange hair, so that's one connection to 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.400 gigant Epithecus. Yeah. They've got the long arms like that. Yeah. Um. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.040 They walked up right about ten feet tall, usually about 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:22.080 twelve pounds um. And if since orangutans are the closest 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:26.920 modern relative of gigant Epithecus it um, it makes sense 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.800 to kind of look at them, look at their behavior. 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.200 Does it match bigfoot stuff? Yeah? They have teeth similar 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:33.880 to humans, so that could account a little bit for 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:38.240 the man like look that people often talk about. Uh. 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:43.320 Make occasionally will make a loud howling calls. Uh that 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.640 sound odd to other orangutans. Another thing that kind of 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.880 separates them too, aside from being um Asian whereas most 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:55.640 primates are African um, is that they tend to live 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.440 solitary lives, so they don't aggregate in groups. They live 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.000 by themselves mostly. Okay, so chalk one up for the 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.280 big foot enthusiasts. Again, they're like, okay, well that's it's 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:09.400 gigant epithekus. Uh, they live a long time, and because 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.600 they are widely dispersed, they may not even see other 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:17.919 orangon tangs for many long stretches. So of course they 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.360 may not see a human either exactly. You know. And 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.560 if they're intellectual or if they have intellect um, as 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.320 people who believe in bigfoot like to point out, they 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:32.240 would be able to successfully hide from humans probably sure, 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:37.600 especially if their habitat was the woods and the mountains. Um. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:39.679 And so you put all that together, that they have 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.040 a long lifespan, meaning there's not a lot of them 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:48.760 dying frequently. They live, they're spread out population wise, and 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:54.800 they tend to live in remote geographic regions. That if 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.639 you add all that up, it's a pretty good reason 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.760 why you wouldn't have found any bones. Yes, because bones 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.159 candy k and the wild like that between five and 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.639 ten years and um, the author of this was this 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.919 the grabster. This is Tom Harris. I'm Harris. He's a 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:15.240 good one. Um. He points out that that people have 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:19.720 never gone on bigfoot bone hunting expeditions, so like people 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.639 aren't looking for these things, so they may not have 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.800 found him. Well, yeah, there is a guy actually who's 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.560 um looking for Bigfoot, his Idaho State anthropology professor, and 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:34.840 he has his crowdsourcing blimp to hunt for Bigfoot with 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.320 thermal imaging cameras and stuff like that. And he's three 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.640 and if you're interested in it, you can check out 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:42.200 that I thought it was. But he's got his own 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.240 website called Falcon Project UM and that's what he's trying 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.120 to do with it. So there is at least one 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.440 person trying to do a rigorous scientific hunt for Bigfoot. 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.840 But and then there's all kinds of groups looking right. Yeah, 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.239 there's even a show on Animal Planet, one of our 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:02.080 h Discovery Channel stay stations, one of our I would 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.520 call it a sister station, but I'm not a station 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.440 one of our colleagues, and it's, uh, what's it called 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.720 Finding Bigfoot? And these people are out there hunting Bigfoot. 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.600 And I've even watched bits of it because I just 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.000 think it's cool and interesting and uh, it's kind of 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.320 a fun little show. So I recommend it. And weren't 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.119 we weren't even asked to plug that. I'm just plugging it. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.879 You know. Um, do you have a possible link between 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:32.280 the orangutan um right and big Foot? And that link 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:37.640 might be a gigant Epithecus. Question is still remaining. Um, 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.720 how did gigant Epithekis get here? Uh? Well, we walked 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:47.480 over the Uh was it the land bridge bearing land bridge? Yes, yeah, 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.320 just like we did not you and me. But you know, 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.720 well that's one theory. Um. But the the big problem here, Chuck, 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:59.359 is the absence of proof doesn't prove anything. The fact 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.919 that we haven't found bones. Even though you can explain it, 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.640 we still haven't found any bones, and it doesn't mean 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.679 that something exists, and that's a it's a big problem 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.360 in this debate. You can also point to, though very happily, 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:16.560 the Ceila cant right. Uh. The Ceila canth was thought 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.960 to have gone extinct sixty million years ago. It's a fish, 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.240 I thought you have gone extinct in the late Cretaceous period, 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.360 and then they found it swimming off the coast of Africa. 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.719 So you can point to that and say it's entirely 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.920 possible that Gigantapithekis survived somehow and we just didn't know. Yeah, 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.639 and scientists are They'll point out that there are all 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:40.080 kinds of creatures that are still undiscovered, but most of 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.359 them are sea creatures. And that makes sense too, because 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.280 we don't spend very much time under the sea, No 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.760 we don't, um, whereas you know, we spend a decent 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.080 amount of time in the woods. Um. Okay, So if 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:56.320 you're a skeptic, everything we just said probably made the 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.960 hair on the back of your neck bristle in irritation. 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:03.199 And here's why, because, like we said, the absence of 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:07.280 proof doesn't prove anything. Sure, um, And it's entirely possible 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.960 that all of this evidence, this body of evidence, Um, 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:15.960 it's just basically a bunch of independent hoaxters fooling a 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:20.359 bunch of people over time. Yea or uh, innocent mistaken identity. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:25.000 They're not all hoaxters. Some people have perhaps gotten confused 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:29.640 about things, said, boy, that mangie bear doesn't look right. 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.840 It's standing up on its back legs too. Or the 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.800 recent photo that was that still image captured at night 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.240 and that's what they said it was was a mangie bear. 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.200 But that thing was kind of weird looking. Yeah, it 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:43.760 was like a night image shot and it was on 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.480 it was on four leg or four you know, I 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.560 don't know if their arms or what, um, and you know, 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.359 it looked odd. But they you know, they explained it 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:55.919 away as a mangie bear. Um. But yeah, lots of 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.240 hoaxes over the years. Yeah. And if you go into 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.520 the woods and you're even the least bit familiar with 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:02.720 any kind of big foot loor and you see something 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:07.119 that's that possibly fits it, you may be the victim 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:10.960 of wishful thinking or being impressionable or what have you. Yeah, 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.359 that's a that's a pretty good accusation a skeptical level 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:19.240 against somebody who reports a big foot siding. And the first, um, 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.160 an easiest way to hoax someone, to pull a hoax 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:27.640 on someone is the old fake footprint. Yeah, not too 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.400 hard to do. You make a fake foot you wear 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:35.080 it on your feet, and you perhaps run along in 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:38.960 the woods, maybe lope, maybe leap to make the footsteps, 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.400 you know, the gate correct um, and then you make 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.320 a plaster mold of it. The problem with these is 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.320 there's in so many over the years that it's like 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.399 clear that they're hoaxes. Because this one is two toes, 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.840 this one has claws, this one has eight toes. And 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:56.480 you know there are people aren't getting together on these 0:22:56.640 --> 0:23:02.400 and making them consistent. Um. Probably the most contentious bit 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:07.880 of Bigfoot evidence was that sixteen millimeter film you mentioned 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.280 that was made in nine seven by a guy named 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:16.600 Roger Patterson, the Patterson Gimblin Film, and it's from Bluff Creek, California, 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:21.960 and basically it shows Bigfoot walking across basically a clearing 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.720 into the woods, and Bigfoot is aware that he's being watched, 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:27.680 and he turns and looks at the camera. Like he said, 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:31.160 Will Ferrell didn't help um. And I remember years ago 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.119 like watching this and when I was back in my 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:37.520 time life books phase like I'll believe anything, just tell 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.280 me um. And they were saying that one of the 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.960 reasons that this thing was so convincing that it was 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.760 Bigfoot was that and he looked over his shoulder. Rather 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:50.280 than looking with just his head, just turning his head, 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:54.879 Bigfoot turns his whole shoulder and torso along with this head, 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:58.280 which is something that a primate would likely do, and 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:00.800 non human primate, I should say, or someone in an 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:05.600 ape suit, we should possibly that's another possibility to They 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:08.400 also point out that bigfoots walking with his knees bent 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:10.840 in this that's another sure sign of primate, whereas I 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:13.600 did that today. By the way, it is it hard, Well, 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:16.840 it's not the easiest thing, but what it makes you 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:20.679 do is sort of lope along with a kind of 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:24.560 a funny gate, a loping gate. Yeah yeah, um, that's 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.080 That's something that bigfoot enthusiast point too, is that this 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:30.200