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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest

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Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and today's guest is diehard white tail

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Speaker 1: hunter Clint Campbell. All right, folks, welcome to the Wire

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: You might notice that this is not the voice of

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. He texted me to say he and Spencer

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Speaker 1: were at something called Influencer School, which again I don't

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Speaker 1: really know what it means, but he did say he

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Speaker 1: was excited to watch some dude named Rob Kardashian speak.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, anyway, I hope those guys have fun

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Speaker 1: down there. Today my guest is Clint Campbell. While Campbell

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Speaker 1: is a marketing whiz by trade, he also hosts The

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Speaker 1: Truth from the Stand podcast, is a die hard public

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Speaker 1: land white tail hunter. I don't know if I could

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Speaker 1: name someone in the industry who scouts more throughout the

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Speaker 1: year than Clint, who happens to hail from Pennsylvania, which

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Speaker 1: isn't the easiest state to hunt. This episode is a

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Speaker 1: wild one because it's mostly not about big Bucks. I

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Speaker 1: mean we do talk about big Bucks quite a bit,

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Speaker 1: but it's more about hunting the late season on pressure

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Speaker 1: ground and honestly focuses more on does and scrappers and

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Speaker 1: just learning, dear. But it's also chock full of good

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Speaker 1: conversation in real world advice. So I think you're absolutely

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Speaker 1: gonna love it. Clint, Welcome to the podcast. I think

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Speaker 1: this is your first time on Wired Hunt, isn't it

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Speaker 1: It is a long time listener, first time caller. How

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Speaker 1: about that? I can't believe I laughed at that cheesy joke.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I said it. But you know, here

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Speaker 1: we are. Well, it's too late now. Uh. I'm really

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Speaker 1: glad to get you on. Man. You know, we've we've

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Speaker 1: been on each other's podcast few times and gotten to

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Speaker 1: know each other really well. And you you might be

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Speaker 1: the most scoutingous dude I know. Like I I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I know anyone who actually I know people

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Speaker 1: if I know anyone who scouts more year round than

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Speaker 1: you do. Wow, Man, that's a that's lofty company. Because

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys I know that beat me

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Speaker 1: on Miles, but You're right, man, I put a lot

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Speaker 1: Just this past week, you know, gun season ended here

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Speaker 1: two week gun period for me is a lot of

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Speaker 1: resetting the clock, if you will, getting some household chores dunkuse.

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Speaker 1: I've been grinding since you know, mid September. For me,

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Speaker 1: uh so this past Saturday, I went out just in

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Speaker 1: starting to get into late season, man, because a lot

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Speaker 1: traditional white tail hunting advice for late season sucks. And

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Speaker 1: I've been I've been complaining about this forever, ever since

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Speaker 1: they're getting you know, birch bark or whatever the case is.

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Speaker 1: And how fresh do those nips look? Right? And so

430
00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,800
Speaker 1: those are all the things I'm kind of looking at

431
00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,880
Speaker 1: whenever I'm walking through an area in late season. Because

432
00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,560
Speaker 1: if it's greenbrier and it's been nipped, but the cover

433
00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,439
Speaker 1: is not fantastic and the edges are browned, they probably

434
00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,960
Speaker 1: were there either a few weeks ago or a couple

435
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,800
Speaker 1: of months ago and nipped that off right. But if

436
00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,919
Speaker 1: it's still kind of green and it looks like it's

437
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,000
Speaker 1: relatively fresh, well, it's like, all right, you might be

438
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,560
Speaker 1: in the game. They're either passing through and browsing, or

439
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,919
Speaker 1: they might be betting close by. That's when you just

440
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 1: have to kind of understand what you're betting layers are

441
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,240
Speaker 1: in that particular area. Yeah, let's let's back up a second,

442
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,440
Speaker 1: because you said something that I kind of live by

443
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,239
Speaker 1: for late season. I look at it like from the

444
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 1: scope of their survivability, right, like everything every decision they're

445
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 1: making is about their survival. And like, I know this,

446
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,720
Speaker 1: this seems simple, but if you think about okay, well

447
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,000
Speaker 1: food is number one, right, that's what we kind of think. Well,

448
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,880
Speaker 1: they got to eat. If they don't eat, they're gonna die.

449
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 1: And a lot of the traditional hunting advice comes from

450
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,360
Speaker 1: a place where the other survivable factor or their surviving

451
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 1: factors not that big of a deal, right, Like, if

452
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 1: you're hunting a place that has no hunting pressure and

453
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,800
Speaker 1: you can control it, then food is going to be

454
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 1: their number one driver because that's what they need to

455
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,400
Speaker 1: survive to to make you know, recover from the rut,

456
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 1: make it through the winner, blah blah blah. But then

457
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 1: if you start saying, like you said, okay, well what

458
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,479
Speaker 1: if the food sources out in the open and they

459
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 1: would have to go through the open to get there,

460
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,400
Speaker 1: they have to leave the cover, They're probably not gonna

461
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 1: do that. Like that might be the most important thing

462
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,959
Speaker 1: right there, because it doesn't matter if you find that

463
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 1: bang in red oak, it's you know, it's out on

464
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 1: the old fence line. The farmer didn't cut it down

465
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. Yeah, they might use the crap out

466
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 1: of it at midnight, but who cares. Like when when

467
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 1: you start paying attention to pressure deer in the late season.

468
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you can overstate how important it is

469
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: to figure out how they're moving in the cover and

470
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,919
Speaker 1: where they're going to stay because you're working with you know,

471
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, eleven hours a daylight, ten and a

472
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 1: half hours a daylight, something like that. The rest of

473
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,879
Speaker 1: the time, they can move freely and feed wherever they want,

474
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 1: and they're not going to put themselves in a position,

475
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, when they're coming out of that Pennsylvania gun season,

476
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: they're probably not super stoked to go out at noon

477
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,640
Speaker 1: and feed in the wide open on public land, right

478
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: And so I think you've got to kind of frame,

479
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're in season scouting right now,

480
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: you're planning on trying to fill buck tag, doe tag, whatever,

481
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: and you hunt where there's a lot of pressure. Even

482
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 1: if there won't be a lot of pressure in the

483
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 1: late season, but there has been a lot of pressure.

484
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 1: You have to really operate under the assumption that those

485
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 1: deer are going to stay in that cover during daylight,

486
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 1: even if it gets to twenty below. Even if the

487
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 1: conditions mean it should be perfect deer movement, it probably

488
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: won't happen in the wide open. Yeah, And just just

489
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: a piggyback off that man. You know, it just made

490
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 1: me think of and I just want to caveat some

491
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 1: of this stuff. It's like a lot of the stuff

492
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: that I know about late season, I've either learned the

493
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: hard way by screwing stuff up, or I've been really

494
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 1: fortunate to have some really smart deer hunter friends like yourself,

495
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: or talk to guys like a Johnny Stewart or a

496
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 1: Don Higgins or whomever, right, and just paying attention to

497
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: when they speak about things, and starting to try to

498
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 1: figure out what does that mean, you know, practically for

499
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing whenever I'm out doing you know, when

500
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm hunting late season or whatever. And one thing that's

501
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: always stuck with me was something I was talking to

502
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: Don was just you know, Don has spent a lot

503
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 1: of time he had captive deer heard for for a

504
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: long time and watched and washing deer and how they

505
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: kind of acted and stuff like that. That's where I

506
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: picked up that kind of uh dough extra state that

507
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: they passed to their from their dough to the dough fonds.

508
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: And that's why you get that consistency around those family

509
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: groups and stuff like that. And the whole notion around

510
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: food is a little bit misleading, And when I was

511
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: talking to him, it made sense because essentially a deer's

512
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 1: biology works and in the way that you know, when

513
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: so biology kicks in in September and the test of

514
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: stream for bucks ramps up and it forces them to move,

515
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: people say, you know, they're you know, the October all happens,

516
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: and data has proved that incorrect. Right when you look

517
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: at how often bucks moved, they moved. Their movement increases

518
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 1: from like the summer through basically the end of like

519
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: roughly like mid December, right, and then it kind of

520
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: starts to ramp back down. So biologically at the same time,

521
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: I mean beer dear or geared to survive, like that's

522
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: why there's such incredible animals. They can survive the harshest

523
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: conditions and being chased by some of the biggest apex predators,

524
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: especially when you get out into like Ida home in

525
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: places like that where they're dealing with grizzlies and wolves

526
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: and harsh winners. Their metab of them actually slows in

527
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: the winter. They actually have to eat a lot less

528
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: in the winter. When you think that they need to

529
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: eat to refuel calories, then they actually need then they

530
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: do like in October. So their metabolis and actually slows

531
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: and allows them to stay bedded for longer, you know,

532
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: in the de basive, stay in security cover longer, and

533
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: almost go into like a form of pseudo hibernation to

534
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: a degree. And so you know, that's why you'll see

535
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: a discrepancy. And I don't have you know, a lot

536
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: of public hunters don't have you know, you know, pick

537
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: being or cut being fields or cut corn fields or

538
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: whatever to go hunt. But if you ever drive by

539
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: and during late season, you're like, man, there's only a

540
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 1: couple of year on that field. You would think it's

541
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: late season they all need to be eaten. Not true. However,

542
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: if you're looking at a storm coming through, a lot

543
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: of times you'll see them get up on their feet,

544
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: like either right before a storm or actually in the

545
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: middle of the storm because they're reluctant to move until

546
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: they absolutely have to. And that was one thing I

547
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: learned from Donnie. You know. It was basically the nastiest,

548
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: the worst, the most harsh conditions that you can possibly get.

549
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: So snow, a little bit of rain, thirty degrees, twenty degrees,

550
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: whatever it is, wind blowing fifteen miles per hour, that's

551
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: the best day to see deer on their feet having

552
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: to go feed and make themselves vulnerable because the conditions

553
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: are now dictating that I need more calories, because the

554
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: conditions have now changed. My hibernation mode is only going

555
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: to get me so far. Right, But whenever you have say,

556
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: average temperatures for that particular area and the and the

557
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: weather conditions are kind of average, you're going to see

558
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: a lot less movement on average, driven driven by food,

559
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: which makes it that much harder because food isn't quite

560
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: the driver that people want it to be, or want

561
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: to think that it is for late season, just for

562
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: no other reason than dear biology. Yeah, well, and that

563
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: I think that's partially a symptom of what we've been fed.

564
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: Because if you if you give dear easy, safe food

565
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: to get to they're gonna go take it. All animals

566
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 1: will They don't. They don't turn down easy calories. But

567
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: out there where those easy calories don't exist, they're going

568
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: to default to survivor mode. And that comes in that

569
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: form of not moving as much as we think. And so,

570
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: you know, you turn on the Outdoor channel or you

571
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: read you know, some of these articles and you go, okay, well,

572
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: every deer. I mean you can you can watch huge

573
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: bucks die in late season food plots all night long

574
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: if you want to, on YouTube in the outdoor channel,

575
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: and they'll be surrounded by fifty deer in one spot.

576
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: And I think I think it's easy to kind of

577
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: internalize that and just assume, like, look at how powerful

578
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: of a driver that hunger is. But you're looking at

579
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: a like a petreet dish. I guess not. This is

580
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: an experiment. This is not how it's probably gonna work

581
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: on that public land in whatever state you're hunting, and

582
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: so you have you really have to be aware of that. Yeah.

583
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: I think I think one of the other you know,

584
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: things that people you know, I don't want to say

585
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: many mistake, but that they make it harder on themselves

586
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: and it needs to be is that they late. I

587
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: don't want to see if they're swinging for the fences

588
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: in late season. But I think your methodology overall has

589
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: to kind of has to kind of change to a degree.

590
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I kind of use this methodology even

591
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: when I travel out of state during you know, pre

592
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: rut or rut, because a lot of times I'm freelancing,

593
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: Like this year, went to Kansas never I'd never I

594
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: was never in Kansas until I crossed the Kansas state

595
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: line this year, and so just kind of went in

596
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: completely blind. Um. But this is something I kind of,

597
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: you know, picked up again from another guy that I

598
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: talked to you hunstantly. The adrand acts a lot um

599
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, so New York, you know, big woods, lots

600
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: of gnarly, kind of harsh conditions and stuff like that. Um.

601
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: And one of the pieces of advice that he gave me,

602
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: and I think it holds true for late season, is

603
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: that whenever you're hunting those areas that are really kind

604
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: of tough, you know, you really first steps should just

605
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: really be to get in dear, you know, I mean,

606
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: find just find dear in general, right, Like, don't be

607
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: so picky as to like I'm gonna try to find

608
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: this particular buck, because I mean after gun season and

609
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: if you don't have eral camera inventory of knowing that

610
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: he's alive, he may or may not be there, right, So,

611
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: can I just find where dear want to spend time? Right, so,

612
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: whether that's the snow, cutting some tracks, finding where, you know,

613
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: backtracking them in the snow to figure out where they're

614
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: congregating and spending time. Like, to me, that's really kind

615
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: of step number one. Can I even just find where

616
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: the deer want to spend some time post gun season,

617
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: late season? That will help me kind of understand where

618
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: the thermal cover is because it might lead me to that.

619
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: It might also lead me to what is their quote

620
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: unquote primary food source for that time year. It may

621
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: not ever be a primary food source any other time

622
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: of the year. But just getting yourself around deer getting

623
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: some sightings. Not only will I think put you in

624
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: a better position to have the type of account if

625
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: you want to have, but I think it'll do a

626
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: ton for your psyche because that time of year, man,

627
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: it's a drain, Like you're you're walking out knowing that

628
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: your chances of of success are less than they usually

629
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: are and there throughout the rest of the year. So

630
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: it's it's the minutes even further at that point, you know.

631
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: So I think even for your psyche, it does a

632
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: lot just to go go find your first and then

633
00:27:51,680 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: kind of start to make a plan from there. So

634
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: let's talk about that, because I've been preaching about this

635
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: a lot lately about learning to find deer concentrations first,

636
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: not not starting out where it's one fifties or bust,

637
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: you know, especially this, like you said, when you travel

638
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: to a new state and you're like, I'm going to

639
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: hunt public land in this state or that state, you're

640
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: we kind of sell this image like Okay, you're gonna

641
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: show up, you're gonna find a bunch of sign you're

642
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: gonna be targeting mature bucks right off the bat. But

643
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: the reality is you don't even know where the deer are.

644
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: You know where you think they might be, and you

645
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: gotta narrow that down, and then if you decide to

646
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: go after big bucks, then you've got to narrow it

647
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: down further. But the starting point is always where do

648
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: some deer live? How can I find them, observe them,

649
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: get near them? And I think I think one of

650
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: the messages we've really got wrong in the hunting industry

651
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: is we've sort of glossed over that reality, which we

652
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: all pretty much do. Some some people are really good

653
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: at that, finding it quickly and moving on to the

654
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: big ones. But most people would be better served all

655
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: parts of the season, not just in late season to go,

656
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: how do I get my ass around some deer first?

657
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: And this is this becomes like real evident when you travel,

658
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: but it's also really evident when you you turn this

659
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: corner from now, gun season is over, now, the snow

660
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: is fly in. We've got three weeks left or a

661
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: month left. However much of the season, now, can you

662
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: get yourself around deer? Could you realistically go out and

663
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: kill a mature dough on public land right now? Like

664
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: do you do you have that dialed? Or are you

665
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: not there yet? Because that's not that's like no easy

666
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: thing to accomplish either. Yeah, that's not a given man,

667
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: especially when you get into some states like Pennsylvania and

668
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: Michigan where it seems like at birth they're born to

669
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: look up a tree, you know what I mean. So

670
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: it's like even that time, that time of year, even

671
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: trying to kill a doe and stuff. And so for me,

672
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no shame in my game. Man. It's

673
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: like when I go out, I'm literally just trying to

674
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: find a deer. I want proof of life. That's really

675
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: what I'm kind of looking for at first. And then

676
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: from there, if I have some intel about a buck

677
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: maybe being around that I was chasing earlier, earlier in

678
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: the year, if I feel like I can get a

679
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: beat on it, and I'm gonna make I'm gonna make

680
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: a concerted effort to try to figure out where he

681
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: might be spending some time. But a lot of times,

682
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: what I'll start to do during late seasons, like as

683
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get around deers, I'm starting to formulate

684
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: a plan also for the following year, like I try to.

685
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm a working guy like everyone else out there. Man,

686
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: I work at nine to five like everybody else, and

687
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: so I try to double up on, you know, what

688
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: I get out of a trip or out of a scout,

689
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: out of a hunt as much as I possibly can.

690
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: So when I'm hunting, like I was saying earlier, when

691
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm hunting slash scouting an area in October, I'm already

692
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: thinking about what I might be able to take from

693
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: this spot for for a late season hunt because I

694
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: don't have time to come back out and do it again,

695
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: and then whenever I'm hunting during the late season and

696
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: just trying to find where deer at because again, like

697
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: I said earlier, you know, in some instances, depending on

698
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: like the variables and stuff like that, what you find

699
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: in late season could also be relevant to what you

700
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: might need to know in that mid September early October

701
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: time frame. And so I'm paying attention to those things

702
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: and starting to get my scouting in early already for

703
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: the next year and formulating the plan, you know, And

704
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: so I'm always trying to double up and be as

705
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: efficient as I as I as I possibly can. But

706
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think for most people out there, man

707
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: just trying to get on deer and kill those on

708
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: public land and fill some tags and just get some

709
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: confidence and knowing that you can locate deer when the

710
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: chips are down, not just for hunting late season, but

711
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: it also builds confidence whenever you decide to travel and

712
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: stuff like that, because you're ultimately when you know a

713
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: lot of people have aspirations to go travel, and more

714
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: people are traveling now than ever before, and that's great.

715
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: I would I would say that you don't need to

716
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: have a ton of time to go scout to take

717
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: travel hunts during the course of the year, you know,

718
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: if you get comfortable with freelancing, and part of that

719
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: is is like taking some of these challenging times of

720
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: the year, like late season and having to build a

721
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: plan on the fly to try to find dear. That

722
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: same approach you can take and pour over to a

723
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: pre rut hunt or a rut hunt in Kansas or

724
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: in Io or in Iowa or wherever it is that

725
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: you might want to go. And so to me, it's

726
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of connectivity between the challenges of

727
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: late season that you face and how those challenges can

728
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: kind of help you prepare for other parts of the

729
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: season and other challenges you might face, whether it's traveling

730
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: or different terrain and different topography or a different habitat

731
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: that you may have never encountered before. So I think

732
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of value and just attempting the hunt

733
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: in late season and if it ends up coming to

734
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: fruition that then to me, it's just kind of a

735
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: cherry on top. Yeah, if you want to figure out

736
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: whether you're really good at this stuff, go try to

737
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: kill something on public land in the late season and

738
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: you'll you'll find out how you're you know, how your

739
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: sad name is, how you know, how your timing is

740
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: on your draw, how good you are at reading fresh sign,

741
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: and you'll find out a lot about your your mental

742
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: state as a hunter, because it's I think, I mean,

743
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that most of the places

744
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: I hunt, I would have a much easier time killing

745
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: a really big buck in September October on those public

746
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: chunks that I would have targeting any deer right now

747
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: and getting it done within the next couple of weeks.

748
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: Like it literally opening my aperture up to include every

749
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,239
Speaker 1: deer as a shooter, because it is. It's it's a

750
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: different ballgame out there. And one thing that you're you

751
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: mentioned there that I really believe in is, you know,

752
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: like this might not be the most appealing time for

753
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people to go out hunt. And I

754
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: get that, Like, you know, the season's winding down, it's

755
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: holidays are coming up, there's a lot of there's a

756
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: lot of excuses to not go. Yeah, there there's a

757
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: lot of reasons to stay out of the woods. But

758
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: one of the things that makes you a better hunter,

759
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: it's not just going to hunt right now, it's time

760
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: in the woods. It's time in season, scouting, time figuring

761
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: stuff out. And I think, I honestly think this extends

762
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: way beyond just act the actual act of scouting or

763
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: hunting for deer. Like I've I've talked about this quite

764
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: a bit, but I'm I'm like heavy into pheasant hunting

765
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: right now. You know, the late seasons kind of my time.

766
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, man, We we only hunt

767
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: public land, and the amount of freaking deer I jump,

768
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: and the amount of sign I find and the amount

769
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: of random beds I find in places, I promise you

770
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: every time I follow my labs around to chase roosters,

771
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm leveling up my dear game just because I'm out

772
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: there going through places I would not go through if

773
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: I was scouting deer. And late season kind of can

774
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: do that for you as well as far as like

775
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: your typical early season plan, even though you might kind

776
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: of be in the same areas, it's going to be

777
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: a different thing. It's gonna be a changed program from

778
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: what you've done before. And when you have to do

779
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: that to succeed, you're gonna level up your game, oh percent. Man.

780
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: As you were saying that. The thing that came to

781
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: my mind was that late season is just you know,

782
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: whether you're successful or not. To kind of push through

783
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: late season is will It's a willpower, like can you

784
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: grind through the sits? It's going to be cold, it's

785
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: gonna suck. Uh, you're not gonna see a lot of deer.

786
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna question what you're set ups most of

787
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: the time, right because you're probably not going to see

788
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: a lot of deer. Um, your entry and exit has

789
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: to be stealth um, your scent game. You're not sent

790
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: control necessarily, But like how you play the wind is

791
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: like of the utmost important. I mean, during the rut,

792
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: you can get away with a little bit of BS

793
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: here and there because they're not thinking, you know correctly,

794
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: they're making mistakes, you know, or bucks are making mistakes.

795
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: At least those are you know, seem to always always

796
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: be on point um. But your but your game is

797
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: fully on display at that point, right, Like all your

798
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: flaws are magnified. So if you have any in your game,

799
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: if you have gear that squeaks, you're dead right like,

800
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: so all those things. So it's like it's really a

801
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: time of year where attention to detail becomes paramount, right, like,

802
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: because if you don't have it, you know, you have

803
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: very little chance of success in a lot of instances anyway,

804
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,959
Speaker 1: And every time or every little piece or every little

805
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: thing that you're doing correctly is just magnified and it

806
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: reduces your chances that much more. One thing that I

807
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: do try to do during late season, and it's it's

808
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: a little bit nutty, um because the the the possibility

809
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: of of of of death is potentially there. But I

810
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: do like to use water access a good bit during

811
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: late season, um, just because of that. Like, I feel

812
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: like in the late season, it's so hard for me

813
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: to be quiet. The leaves are so crunchy. If I'm

814
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: still hunting or scalped through an area, it's like I'm

815
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: blowing everything out that's within like a three yard radius

816
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: of me. Um. And so a lot of times I

817
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: will try to find areas, you know, during the off

818
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: season and think about, like, Okay, is this set up

819
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: potentially good for the late season, and does I have

820
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: water access Because to me, if I can find a

821
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: place that I that I know that there are deer.

822
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: Again going back to the idea of like just find deer,

823
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: that they're deer that like to be in this area,

824
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: and can I use water access to get in, especially

825
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: if it's an area where I can slip up an

826
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: embankment like twenty yards and being a tree like to me,

827
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: there's the eye because I've just now taken the mistakes

828
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: I could make before I even get into the tree

829
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: out of the equation, you know, and now I'm just

830
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: left with the mistakes I might make while I'm in

831
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: the tree, which you know, let's be honest, there's plenty

832
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: of those as well. But if you say water access,

833
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: do you mean uh, using a kayak? You yeah, what

834
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, waiting you know, a little bit of both,

835
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: but a lot of my access is is kayak, you know. Um,

836
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, I will hunt some places that I'm trying

837
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: to think there's anything that I actually wait in. There's

838
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: one spot that one spot that I will I will

839
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: wait in depending on the route of access that I use.

840
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: But by and large, when I'm using water access around here,

841
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: I feel like there's plenty of people who are willing

842
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: to wade, you know, at least you know, there's some

843
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: small game duck seasons and stuff like that. And so

844
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: I've I've had some bad run ins in those instances.

845
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: So a lot of times those areas I just kind

846
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: of I kind of let alone. Um. But the areas

847
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: where I actually have to use a boat to where

848
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: you it's either a boat or swim, those are the

849
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: ones that I found that I can get away from

850
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: people a little bit more. And I've found people, especially

851
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: when it gets cold, windy, with a little bit of

852
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: pre sip, I basically had the place to myself. People

853
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: just aren't willing to go out, you know, and endure

854
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: those conditions and kayaking and get wet and you know,

855
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: be cold and and potentially flip your kayak or walk

856
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: through and you know, walk way through the water whenever

857
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: you have to pull your boat up the shore and

858
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: like you know, fall in the water or whatever. Like,

859
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: there's a ton of things that can potentially go wrong

860
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: and get wet um and a lot of people just

861
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: aren't willing to do it. And so and it also

862
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: reduces a lot of the mistakes you can make at

863
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: the beginning of a hunt. And so that's a lot

864
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: of times why I'll look for those kind of areas.

865
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: I'll even kayak into places I've never been before on

866
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: a whim just knowing that I'll have stealth access and

867
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: it might be a place I want to go check out,

868
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, and some kind of again going back to

869
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: killing two birds with one stone. I'm gonna get a

870
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: little bit of scouting in, learn a little bit about

871
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: a new area, and I'm getting into a place super clean.

872
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: So that's it's it's an interesting concept that I've never

873
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: really thought about, because if you wanted to do water

874
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: access where I live right now, you have to just

875
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: sharpen your ice skates because right right, yeah, you're not

876
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: you're not paddling anywhere. But I you know, I do

877
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: use like frozen slews and cattail lose a lot this

878
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: time of year because like you said, hey, it keeps

879
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: you low, which is good, but it's also potentially the quietest,

880
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: least intrusive route that you can get. You just gotta

881
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: be a little careful so you don't fall through, because

882
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: that sucks. Uh, But it's it is an option, and

883
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: it you know, the one thing about that that you

884
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: know when you when you talk about taking a kayak out,

885
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: we should just say this, please be very safe. Anybody

886
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: who's considering that, because cold water if jackets a must, yeah,

887
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: like you gotta have. Yeah, just don't be don't do

888
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: something stupid to get yourself hurt. Like there's been plenty

889
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: of times where I wanted to go out, but the

890
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: wind was just so bad where I was like, you

891
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: know what, it's it's not worth it. You know, it's

892
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: like you know, winds ripping across the water. I'm like,

893
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: you know what, I've got a little f ten like

894
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: kayak or it's like a ten foot kayak or whatever,

895
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: the little troll and motorus that I used to get

896
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: in and out of places and stuff like that. I'm like,

897
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: you know what, Yeah, there's some white caps out there today.

898
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't think this is gonna work for me. Real, well,

899
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: let's just go head and call it. Let's walking somewhere

900
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe I don't kill something today, and

901
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: that's just fine. I get to go home. So that's

902
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: the most important thing. Let's let's leave the chest thumping,

903
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 1: bad ass ray of the western hunters and that stays

904
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: safe out there in the white tail world. But but

905
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: your point is a good one in that you know

906
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: everything that you do, and we preach about for the

907
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: early season or rut hunting, any any other time, but

908
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: the late season, you know, the entrance routes, the exit routes. Uh,

909
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: you know you're set up as far as are you

910
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: skyline are? You know, how's the wind for you? All

911
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: of these things that we worry about. And these these

912
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: little details, I guess they're not little, these details of

913
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: the hunt that we really try to shore up because

914
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: we know they stack the odds in our favor. They're

915
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: just laid bare in the late season, you know, like

916
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: you just you make so much noise, and there's a

917
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: lot of times in the late season where it is

918
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: just calm and quiet out there, and moving around is

919
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: really tough. So if you don't have a bulletproof access route,

920
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: you're screwed right for get go. And you said something

921
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: a little bit ago that I want to touch on.

922
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: You're talking about, you know, Bucks being on their A game,

923
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: and then you said does and you said something to

924
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: the fact that dose are like always on their A game.

925
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: And man, I really think that we oversell how like

926
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: how cautious Bucks are and undersell how easy it is

927
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: to generally kill those When you're talking pressure deer, I

928
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: I see so many does that kick my ass and

929
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: bust me that it's it's amazing. And then you'll see

930
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: bucks walk through good bucks that are oblivious. You just

931
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: caught them moving and it really it really serves you

932
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: well as a deer hunter. A if you love to

933
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: eat venison, because you're gonna target more does, but just

934
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: to to round yourself out a little better, to kind

935
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: of like not just focus on the trophy buck thing

936
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: or not just troph you know, focus on the buck

937
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: of a caliber that you're you aspire to. That's all

938
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: well and good. But if you're not like able to

939
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: consistently get into shooting range of doughs and take a

940
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: few every season, or you know, get drawn and make

941
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: your shot on a mature dough every season, you've got

942
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: some stuff to learn, because they will teach you. Oh man, yeah,

943
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say there's not a cagier animal

944
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: in the White Tie Woods than a an old dominant

945
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: dough that's had four or five berthing cycles and had

946
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: to raise four or five groups of does, right because

947
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: she was not only responsible for keeping herself alive, but

948
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: also you know, her pons alive. If you think about it,

949
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: we're also chasing bucks during the most vulnerable time of

950
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: their their year essentially, right, So we're getting the easiest

951
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: opportunity on them, and dose are kind of they're always

952
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: on high alert, you know. Always there's not a time

953
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: of year where they lose themselves biologically speaking, and they're

954
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: thinking about not surviving. That's why, you know, if I'm

955
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: out on a rud hunt somewhere, you know, if I

956
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: find a buck that's on a dough. And this happened

957
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: while I was in Kansas. There was a buck that

958
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: I knew was in a particular area and he was

959
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: on a dough and I saw what he did the

960
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: night before because I glassed him, and I was like, man,

961
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: I bet he's gonna do the same thing the next day.

962
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: We'll sure enough, he followed that dough was in the

963
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: same general area because she wanted to go feed back

964
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: at that same spot. Right, And so does can be predictable,

965
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: and you can use them as like a little bit

966
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: of a canary and the mi shaft to a degree. Um,

967
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: but they're also especially you know, whenever that bucks kind

968
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: of got his guard down, they're the ones who are

969
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: on high alert. Now you're trying to be four eyes

970
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: versus you know, versus two and I think That's the

971
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: other thing whenever you start hunting late season, because now

972
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: you know bucks. You know, if you're talking with true bucks,

973
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: they're still gonna probably be off a little bit by themselves.

974
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: But if you're if you're not targeting like the top

975
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: end of the you know, of bucks, and you're just

976
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: trying to shoot a decent buck on public land or whatever,

977
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times you'll start to see

978
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: those groups kind of start to come back together, like

979
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: you would during the summer, where you've got some like

980
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: two year old bucks and some does and some funds,

981
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: all kind of like living roughly together, and you know

982
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: you're now dealing with four six, eight ten eyes. However,

983
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: many deer happen to be traveling in that group that

984
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: you're that you now have to beat, right, And that's

985
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: the other challenging thing. If you're just targeting does in general,

986
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: whether it's late season or any other time of the year,

987
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: they typically aren't by themselves, you know, And so your

988
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: game's gotta get really good at no one when to draw,

989
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: you know, no one when to stay hidden. You know,

990
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: when your opportunities are pick out, which do you want

991
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: to potentially kill or whatever the case. Is and be

992
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: able to beat all those noses, all those eyes, and

993
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: all those years. You know, it's and it's I would

994
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: like it. It's almost you know, elk hunting. You know, yeah,

995
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: the bulls are a little bit off their game, but

996
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: at that time of year, dude, it's like you're not

997
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: just trying to beat the bulls. You're trying to beat

998
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: the bulls plus however many cows they have with them,

999
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: you know, and that's the hard part. Well not only that,

1000
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: but you know, you know how it is if you

1001
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: get if you get busted by a big buck and

1002
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: it happens, you know, they've they go wide eyed, saucerided,

1003
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: and they take off and they might stop a hundred

1004
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: yards away and check you out, and you know, walk

1005
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: off or run away, and that's kind of the end

1006
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: of it. But you get busted by a doll and

1007
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: she lets the whole world know that there's some asshole

1008
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: up in the tree, and she's gonna she's gonna make

1009
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: it miserable for you. And they just they just prove

1010
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: a lot more challenging than you know that the hunting

1011
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: industry gives him credit for. And I really think I

1012
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: mean what you said they're about. You know, if you

1013
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: took a five and a half year old buck in

1014
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: a five and a half year old doll, you know

1015
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: that buck looks after himself like he's he's taking care

1016
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: of himself. He has a less stressful life overall by far,

1017
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: other than being on a bunch of people's hit list

1018
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: because he's walked by trail cameras, he's got stupid names, whatever.

1019
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: But you take that doll and she's raised X amount

1020
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: of fawns every year, and she's had to think about

1021
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: her survival and their survival, and they're just a different

1022
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: kind of challenge. And I actually think, uh, that's part

1023
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: of the reason that I actually really like hunting late season,

1024
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: because I go, if I have a buck tag left,

1025
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking for a buck, but I'm also

1026
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm looking for whoever I can legally tag. I'm not not.

1027
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: There's no pickiness left at all. And when you when

1028
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: you open yourself up to that and you start to

1029
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: try to kill them, not just sit there and watch

1030
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: them walk by, or not just sit there and be like, oh,

1031
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: they're out in the field. That's good and like, I

1032
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: don't care about them. It's fun to watch, but when

1033
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: you actually actively try to kill them, you learn a

1034
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: lot about yourself as a hunter because they they'll beat

1035
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: you a lot of times. Oh yeah, man, I mean,

1036
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, especially if you're you know, if you're not

1037
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: hunting some really kind of obvious you know, I'll say,

1038
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: like you know, just field edges or whatever where they're

1039
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: they're getting ready to slip out and their scent checking

1040
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 1: like a little you know, low spot in the field

1041
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: where they gets like the thermal draw and they feel

1042
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: all safe and good and they're going to kind of

1043
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: come out of this area and it's you know, you know,

1044
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: a private piece of property or whatever. Then they haven't

1045
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: gotten bothered all yere and you're doing some dope maintenance ensure.

1046
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: But it's like during the course of the year on

1047
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: public landing, people are hunting them as well as they're

1048
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: as they're hunting box, you know what I mean, And

1049
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: so you know, their their caginess there. There's not really

1050
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: a safe spot for them necessarily, right, Like they're they're

1051
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: kind of always having to be always having to be

1052
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: on alert, especially in this particular area. Man, like where

1053
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: I hunt, you know, I had one this year. Um,

1054
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: I'll just give an example right, So a buck, especially

1055
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: that time of year, I've had an encounter with a

1056
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: buck where I clearly got picked off. Let's say like

1057
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: mid to late October, and I saw that deer back

1058
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: on that camera in like three days, four days whatever, Right,

1059
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: there was a group of does that I saw that

1060
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: one of them that I wanted to kill, and she

1061
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: slipped around this corner and I drew. She just happened

1062
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: to look up and saw me as I was at

1063
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: full draw, and she was gone. Right, It wasn't that

1064
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: was I want to say, like October second or something like.

1065
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: It was like the very beginning of October. I never

1066
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: saw another doe group hit that camera until almost the

1067
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: end of November. And I'm not in that in in

1068
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: that same area, there was multiple bucks that kind of

1069
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: happened to pass through there during the course of rud

1070
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: like whatever the case it was. And I particularly found

1071
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: this spot a little bit of water access. It's a

1072
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: gnarly little pinch that is like a perfect little rut funnel.

1073
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: It pushes all the deer through this kind of you know,

1074
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: little area, and that dough caught me. And not only

1075
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: did she avoid that area entirely, but the does that

1076
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: were with her and avoided that area entirely for the

1077
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: better part of almost two months before I go. Now,

1078
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they didn't come on the back side,

1079
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: but that's just kind of like proving the point. It's

1080
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: like they did just enough to skirt that particular area

1081
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: because they had one bad encounter there where I've had

1082
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: bucks have a bad encounter. And you know, as long

1083
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: as there, as long as it happens during the right

1084
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: time of the year when they're you know, a little

1085
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: bit vulnerable, you can get away with a good bit

1086
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: with a dough with those like you just you just can't,

1087
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, like they're just not gonna let you. They're

1088
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: just not gonna let you do it, because all there

1089
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: is to it. Yeah, and this this is something, uh,

1090
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: and I totally agree with you. I have. I could

1091
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: talk for hours on the amount of times I've targeted

1092
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: dough as that got my ass kicked. I mean I've had,

1093
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: I had, I had one experience here, uh, in the

1094
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: suburbs of the city that this was a private piece,

1095
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: the little private piece surrounded by a whole bunch of

1096
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: little private pieces, and so there was the density of

1097
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: hunters is really high there because everybody's got twenty acres

1098
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: or you know, and there's bull hunters, gun hunters on

1099
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: every property, so these deer get hit hard. And you know,

1100
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: it's it's close to a million people, so there's just

1101
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: they're not easy, dear. But this this property had one

1102
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: little kill plot on it and there was a dough group.

1103
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: This lead matriarch Dough. She was like really identifiable because

1104
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: she was a great, big old dough, long nose, and

1105
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: she would pick me off every time i'd hunt. If

1106
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: I saw her not just hunting that little food plot,

1107
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: but hunting that property, she'd get me. And so I'm like,

1108
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm killing this doll, like this is like my target

1109
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: deer for the year. And I put up blinds for her,

1110
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: I put up stands for her, and that dough got me.

1111
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: She beat me. She just beat me. Every time I

1112
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: hunted her and I had her close, I got I

1113
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 1: almost got drawn on her. Once she busted me took off.

1114
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just like one of those deals

1115
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I've never I've never dealt with a

1116
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: situation like this with a really like a good buck

1117
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: that I had like this much experience, and I'm like

1118
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: this son of a bitch lives here. I know where

1119
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna go eat. But this dough, I'm like, she

1120
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: lives here, She's got phones. I've seen her, she's been

1121
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: here a couple of years. Like I know this dear,

1122
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: and I couldn't kill her with my best efforts. And

1123
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: what it really makes you think, and and this whole

1124
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: late season conversation is there's like, there's no way that

1125
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: easy makes you good and so and you know, in

1126
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: the hunting industry, we promise easy a lot, right, like

1127
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: we sell products, and we do. I'm as guilty as anyone,

1128
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: believe me, I understand it. And we promise get rich quick.

1129
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: But the reality is when you look at the badass

1130
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: hunters out there, they're choosing the difficult hunts. They're they're

1131
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: putting themselves in a situation to hunt harder deer because

1132
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: they get better. And and then when they start killing

1133
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: some of those dear, they start to get really good.

1134
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: And so if you're thinking, well, man, I don't you know,

1135
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't have any bucks left or I don't have

1136
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: any ace, you know that that's worth hunting for bucks

1137
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: in the late season. Tell you what you want to

1138
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: have some fun and challenge yourself and get better. Just

1139
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: say all right, I'm just gonna go I'm gonna go

1140
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: put a couple of dolls in the freezer, say it

1141
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: that way, get a little cocky, and then go give

1142
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: it a shot and let's see what happens. Yeah, I mean,

1143
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: I think to something you hit on there, It was

1144
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: just like the way to get better is to do

1145
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: to do hard things, right if I were just if

1146
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: I were to summarize it, and you and I talked

1147
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: about at one point, you know, building your neural network

1148
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: for big deer, right, that was a conversation you and

1149
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: I had, I think at one point you even wrote

1150
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: an article about it for for Meat Eater or you know,

1151
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: how how to basically get better at killing big bucks.

1152
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: And what are basically comes down to is like you

1153
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: got to be in the woods and you need a

1154
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: breadth of experiences, right, and sometimes you need to have

1155
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: those really kind of challenging experiences that that you know,

1156
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: that shape you. For me, late season somewhat is kind

1157
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: of freeing, you know, whether we want to admit it

1158
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: or not, you know, we all experienced some form of

1159
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: pressure probably you know, during during the regular archer season,

1160
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: gun season whatever the case is, people watching social media

1161
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: seems like everyone's killing a big buck except you or

1162
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: or whatever the case is. Um you know, which can

1163
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: you know not to some pressure and some anxiety and

1164
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: and you know, take a little bit of the fun

1165
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: out of it. Late season for me is kind of

1166
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: like one of those things where, you know, I treat

1167
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: it as there's no expectations at this point, right before

1168
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: gun season, just because there's gonna be more hunters in

1169
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: the woods, has a more opportunity for them to you know,

1170
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: grow legs. I typically go out and pull all my cameras,

1171
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: so whenever I go back out for late season, I

1172
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: literally don't know what deer is in the area, with

1173
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: the exception of maybe like one or two of those

1174
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: cell cameras I have placed in like really hard to

1175
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: get highie holes and I'm gonna watch for that second peak,

1176
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, breeding date or whatever. Aside from that, it's

1177
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: almost like hunting brand new areas that I just have

1178
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: some information about the terrain and the topography, but I

1179
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: don't know anything really about the deer herd for that

1180
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: time of year, like who's available, who's not available, etcetera.

1181
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: And so to me, it's a little bit free because

1182
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: I can take some swings and misses and it doesn't

1183
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: feel as as damning. Like I feel a lot worse

1184
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: during October when I know I've got like a particular

1185
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: deer in an area and I've I've figured him out

1186
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: and he should be here at this time. He likes

1187
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: this win, and I go set up and I either

1188
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: don't see him or I see him and don't get

1189
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: a shot. Right like that feels pretty bad, And most

1190
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: people probably experience that. What I don't mind and don't

1191
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: feel bad about is challenging myself with very little information

1192
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: and just saying, you know what, toy, I'm gonna go

1193
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: get better. I'm gonna do something that's gonna be really hard,

1194
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, I'm either gonna

1195
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: come home with something in the in the bed of

1196
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: my truck or I'm gonna go I'm home with the

1197
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: tags that I left with, but a whole lot smarter

1198
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: than I was whenever I left, right, And I think,

1199
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: if you start to frame things like that, because that

1200
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: experience is gonna make me better next September, next October,

1201
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: next November. Because I don't know how many times on

1202
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: a hunt where I've drawn from an experience that I

1203
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: had to three years ago. And you and I talked

1204
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: about this where it's like maybe I saw like a

1205
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: piece of topography that was like, oh man, I saw

1206
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: this somewhere and I hunted it like this, and the

1207
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 1: deer should do this, and this is what the thermal

1208
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: should be doing here. It's like, like you said before,

1209
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: like there's no better teacher for deer hunting than just

1210
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: spending time in the world. But there's no pill, there's

1211
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: no silver bullet, there's no special spray that somebody can

1212
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: sell you that's gonna make you better at it. If

1213
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: you want to be better at it, you just have

1214
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: to spend the time in the woods. You've got to

1215
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: eat a little bit of a little bit of poop

1216
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: along the way. It's going to happen, you know, and

1217
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: you just kind of have to suck it up, you know,

1218
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: and just get and take those bad moments or those

1219
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: less than ideal moment and say, I'm gonna stack those

1220
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: on this pile here, because there's always something to kind

1221
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: of take from it, And what can I take from

1222
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: that kind of moment. And the other thing I started

1223
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: doing too was journaling during the course of the year

1224
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: and just writing stuff down because it helps you really

1225
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: remember things. And if you go back. I like that

1226
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the year to go back and

1227
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: kind of start to read through my notes from the

1228
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: entire season and see what happened on these different hunts,

1229
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: these different dates, what the conditions were, and stuff like that.

1230
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: And I'm always able to kind of go back and

1231
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: in hindsight because I it's it's the whole Monday morning

1232
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: quarterback thing. You know, hindsight is always twenty right, I can.

1233
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: I'll go back and kind of the mistakes I made

1234
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: are now super obvious when I go back and look

1235
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: at it again later, Right, And you're gonna make plenty

1236
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: of those mistakes and lacies because it's just a hard

1237
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: time to hunt. And you you kind of take that

1238
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: catalog and keep those notes and you go back after

1239
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: the season you look at it, Man, you will have

1240
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: a gold mine of information, not just scouting information of

1241
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: like what could be in play for next September October

1242
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: as far as food sources and you know, betting and

1243
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but just like your approach, your thought process,

1244
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: what wind mapping areas for future purposes, right, and starting

1245
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: to put those puzzle pieces together. Eventually you're gonna have

1246
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: enough data about those areas and have built your neural

1247
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: network enough to the point that you're gonna start killing

1248
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: in those spots and having the types of encounters. You're

1249
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: gonna kill that dough that's been whooping your ask for

1250
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: ten years, you know, and then maybe you might fill

1251
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: the tag with that target buck you've been trying to

1252
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: kill that ends up using that as a hidie hole

1253
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: one year. So something you said there I want to

1254
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: expand on when when you mentioned uh kind going on

1255
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: the late season, it's sort of freeing because it's like, well,

1256
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: I got a couple of weeks left, I got low standards.

1257
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: What what? What you're also saying is I expect to

1258
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: screw up, and I'm okay with that. And I think

1259
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: this is one of the secrets to public land hunting,

1260
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: that especially going to a new state or a new

1261
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: chunk of public land you've never been to, where you're like,

1262
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: I got four or five days, six days whatever. That

1263
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: people don't really realize happens to them, you know, if

1264
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: you stay at home and you've got a lease, or

1265
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: you hunt your grandpa's farm, or you've got some property

1266
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: that you're you're you know, and you go, Okay, the

1267
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: dear do this at this time of the year. So

1268
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do this, or I'm not going

1269
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: to do that, or I'm gonna play this safe because

1270
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: I know if I don't go now, I can go

1271
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: out on Halloween when the cold front moves in and

1272
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: I'll kill him. You're, you know, you're taking maybe the

1273
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: right approach. It might be right to take the cautious approach,

1274
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: but you're also not really putting yourself in a very

1275
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: good position to fail and learn from it. And when

1276
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: you go to that new public land or you know,

1277
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: you or your standards and you go, you know what,

1278
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out and try to kill a doe, uh,

1279
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, right before Christmas, and you don't really have

1280
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,439
Speaker 1: that pressure killing a big buck, or you don't really

1281
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: have that pressure of like screwing up something that you

1282
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: felt like you put a bunch into and you want

1283
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: you don't want to be cavalier with it. And then

1284
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: you go somewhere where you can just kind of throw

1285
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: caution in the wind. You learn a lot about hunting

1286
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: because you take those swings, you know, and you screw

1287
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: up a lot, but that's how you learn. Well yeah,

1288
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: and I mean there's not it's not a mystery as

1289
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: to our I love when we talk about this stuff

1290
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: because we get all like we go completely in the

1291
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: in the gutter and talking about things that may or

1292
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: may not even be related. But you know there's a

1293
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: reason why people or it's proven. I think it's from

1294
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, from birth to five years old, you learn

1295
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: more information, you know, or you get more information or

1296
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: more education than you will in the remainder of your life. Essentially,

1297
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: like you learn the most you've ever learned in those

1298
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: first five years of your of your life. And I

1299
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: kind of equate that to hunting. And I almost think

1300
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: like anyone who are not saying, like your first five

1301
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: years because I think you know, like me, you know,

1302
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: when you're young, you got introduced by your dad, your uncle,

1303
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: your grandfather, whatever the cases. Pennsylvania it's twelve, and you

1304
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: know you hunt those first whatever years. I would say

1305
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: for any hunter that whenever they start to get serious

1306
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: about like bow hunting, for example, it's like whenever you

1307
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: consciously say, yeah, I'm really into this and this is

1308
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: something I'm passionate about and I want to do it,

1309
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: and I want to get good at it, right, like

1310
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: from that moment on the cloth, like you were just born.

1311
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: You were just born birth as a passionate bow hunter.

1312
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: Those first five years should be full of you swinging

1313
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: for the fences and and striking out a lot, because

1314
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: that's the best opportunity you're gonna have. If you start

1315
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: to try to kind of compartmentalize things and like seek

1316
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: perfection for every hunt, whatever, you just kind of decide

1317
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna be passionate about something. Man, you are, you are.

1318
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: You are reducing your experience opportunities immensely by not having

1319
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: those swings and misses. When I finally got out of

1320
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: my own way. I didn't learn this till I was older, Unfortunately,

1321
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: when I finally got out of my own way and

1322
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: was just like, man, you know what, I'm gonna just

1323
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: start swinging for the fences and I'm gonna do some

1324
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: stuff that's probably I'm gonna do stuff that people have

1325
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: said is absolutely wrong, and I'm going to do it

1326
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: just because, you know, because I want to see it

1327
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: and learn it for myself. I want to see it,

1328
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: you know. And once I started doing that, it's not

1329
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: a mystery like all of a sudden, tags started getting filled,

1330
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: encounters went up exponentially. I was always on on or

1331
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: around deer. I could more easily look at maps and go, like,

1332
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: this is where the sign should be, and just be

1333
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: able to go to those spots and cut down my

1334
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: scouting time and stuff like that. Like it was that

1335
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: like willingness to just say, you know what, I'm willing

1336
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: to just go screw some stuff up and that's okay

1337
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: because it's actually gonna shorten things for me in the

1338
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: long term, you know. And so now I'm able to

1339
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: qualify thinks so much more quickly. And it's because I

1340
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: took that more free and approach. And I think late season,

1341
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: if you're hesitant to do it, late season is a

1342
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: great opportunity to kind of get a taste of it

1343
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: and see if it's something you can stomach. Because it's

1344
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: not for everybody, and I totally get that, but I

1345
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: do think it's the fastest way to grow and get better,

1346
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: as you've got to have some failure along the way

1347
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: and to until you explained it so eloquently there, I

1348
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: probably would have disagreed with you a little bit and

1349
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: said that you could get the same thing traveling out

1350
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: of state. But I don't think so, because I think

1351
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: it's too easy to carry the big buck thing with

1352
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: you across state lines. And and most people travel, you know,

1353
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: they don't travel to shoot four keys. Most people don't.

1354
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: And so I totally agree with you. Now you you

1355
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: totally convinced me that this is this is probably the

1356
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: best path to do that. And I do think there

1357
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: is a parallel to some extent traveling, at least from

1358
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: the perspective of not giving yourself an out, because I've

1359
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: seen I'm sure you've seen this too. But you know,

1360
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: you you go to whatever state, I don't care what

1361
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: it is, and you're in a campground and there's some

1362
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: other other hunters in there. You know, pretty common scenario, right,

1363
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: and you know they swing through and talk to you,

1364
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: you talk to them whatever. And I've been to so

1365
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: many situations like that where I've talked to people and

1366
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: they'll be like, yeah, you know, we've been here three

1367
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: days and haven't seen a year yet. Or we've been here,

1368
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, four days, and we're just like glass and

1369
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: trying to find the right one. And they're not hunting.

1370
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: They're going out looking for a deer and like my

1371
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: buddies and I we go out, we're like, Okay, we're

1372
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 1: hunting every chance we can. It doesn't mean we won't

1373
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: do some scouting and some glassing or something like that,

1374
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: but it's tied into the act of hunting somehow because

1375
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: you learn how valuable it is, and you really learn

1376
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: how valuable that those experiences in that time is when

1377
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 1: you start having some kids and you've got those job

1378
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: obligations and everything, and you're like, I literally do only

1379
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: have four days to hunt? And so am I gonna

1380
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: burn one kind of messing around trying to run trail

1381
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: cameras when I've only got four days? Or am I

1382
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: Am I gonna waste a second? Probably not? And you know,

1383
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: I think as you get older, you realize, like, man,

1384
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: the more I put into this, the more I'm going

1385
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: to get out of it, And that kind of situation

1386
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: really kind of it just it just contextualized, like it

1387
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,959
Speaker 1: makes you realize like, Okay, this is this is what's

1388
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: important about about hunting, Like this is how I kill

1389
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: stuff and this is how I get better. You get

1390
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: a taste of that traveling, and you certainly get a

1391
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: taste of that when you go out and hunt pressure

1392
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: deer in the late season to piggyback when you're when

1393
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: you're traveling piece. I think that that like once you

1394
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: start to get like, you know, I'm not saying don't

1395
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: do it like earlier, do whenever, whenever you want to.

1396
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: But for me, it was, you know, that was kind

1397
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: of like the big you know test to a degree.

1398
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: It was like I had this kind of freeing experience

1399
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: and was making some mistakes and kind of willingly doing so.

1400
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: And then from there I was like, you know what,

1401
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: let's take the show on the road and see and

1402
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: see what happens, you know. And so I'm always you know,

1403
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: every year, I'm trying to fill a tag when I

1404
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: go out of state every year. Um, but really I'm

1405
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: just chasing an experience, you know, it is what it is,

1406
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: what it comes down to. Um. This year, like I said,

1407
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: was Kansas. I never hunted Kansas before. We were in

1408
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: an area where there weren't a lot of trees necessarily.

1409
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: I'd never hunt almost exclusively from the ground before, so

1410
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: that was new for me, and I went into it

1411
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: just knowing like, hey, I'm gonna have a really free

1412
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: experience because I'm not chasing a one seventy even though

1413
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: they're Kansas has them right, They've got giants. I was

1414
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: chasing a good, respectable buck on public land, and it

1415
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: was the first one that I would see is the

1416
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: one I was gonna arrow right. And I made a

1417
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: lot of mistakes. I mean, I had plenty of time

1418
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: while I was out there. I had like two weeks,

1419
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: but I made a ton of mistakes, and I probably

1420
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: made a mistake mistakes probably the first two weeks I

1421
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: was there, to be quite honest, right, because it was

1422
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't until the second week that I finally figured out,

1423
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: like I finally got on deer and I was starting

1424
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: and I'll see them consistently, So it's like the puzzle

1425
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: pieces started coming together, and it just wasn't meant to be.

1426
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: Had a couple of opportunities, it just couldn't get the

1427
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: deer to kind of take the last two steps I needed,

1428
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: and and you know, and that's and that's bow honey.

1429
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: But I look back on it again, in hindsight, I'm

1430
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: looking at it just like you know, you take a

1431
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: late season hunt and you swing, you know, for the fences,

1432
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: and you go out willingly knowing it's gonna be hard,

1433
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: and you make some mistakes and you step back and

1434
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: you look at it and I go, man, here are

1435
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: like five areas where I didn't know anything about anything

1436
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: when I got there, and now I got a lot

1437
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: better idea about hunt from the ground sticking to the shadows.

1438
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: When I should like how soon should I draw? Or

1439
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: one should I draw? When I have a deer approaching?

1440
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: How do I need to set up my decoy? You

1441
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Where should I be in relationship

1442
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: to my decoy? Like all those things that you don't

1443
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you can watch a YouTube video, you can

1444
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: listen to two guys wax poetically on a podcast about

1445
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: it like that you're currently doing, you know, you know,

1446
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: but until you go out there and actually do it

1447
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: and see it for yourself. That's whenever rubber meets road

1448
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, I got it, you know, and

1449
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: it's like and you're you're way less likely to make

1450
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: that that mistake again. But if you don't put yourself

1451
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: in those kind of precarious situations, you know you're going

1452
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: to be doomed to make those really fundamental mistakes. Until

1453
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: you just go out and do it right, It's like

1454
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: you can't you can't shell it, you yourself from those

1455
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: from those failures, you know, forever, you gotta go out

1456
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: and kind of kind of do. I mean, it doesn't

1457
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: matter what deer hunter worth their salt. Anyone who's really

1458
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: good has had those. I mean, you know, give a

1459
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: good example like Andy May for example. I mean, just

1460
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: like that guy. I like, all that guy does is

1461
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: kill big deer, you know what I mean. But you know,

1462
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: if you sit and you talk to him about like

1463
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: his approach and how he's developed it over the years, Like, yeah, man,

1464
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: he's he's swung and missed too, you know what I mean,

1465
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: Like that's that's just that's the approach. The thing we

1466
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: only ever see is the conversation about how the successful

1467
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: hunt went down and how smart I was and the

1468
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: gripping grin. You know, you don't really ever see people

1469
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: willing to kind of talk about or very few people

1470
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: willing to talk about, Hey man, this is where I

1471
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: screwed up along the way. You know, I had this opportunity,

1472
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: this opportunity and just didn't just didn't work out. And

1473
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: here are the three things I'll learned from it. Right

1474
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: That to me is like the valuable stuff, like the

1475
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: gripping grin is all nice to look at someone doing that,

1476
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: but someone who's willing to share with you the warts,

1477
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: Like that's where the goal is. Yeah, that's that's the

1478
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: stuff you learned from and and there is there is

1479
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: something to the reality of like, yeah, like you said,

1480
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: you can consume whatever you want, and I want you to.

1481
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm a content ater. I'm like, please keep consuming deer

1482
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: hunting information. Everybody like, please ramp it up, even I

1483
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: don't care. You know, do you do you? But there's

1484
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: there's some things that you just you you're not gonna

1485
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: learn from me, You're not gonna learn from Andy May,

1486
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: You're not gonna learn from anyone. And I think they're

1487
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: they're most easily understood when you take somebody who's just

1488
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: just take somebody who's in the stage of deer hunting

1489
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: where they've killed some those they killed some little bucks,

1490
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know what, I want that first

1491
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: big buck. I want that mature dear, whatever whatever caliber

1492
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: it is. There's such a consistent thing that happens in

1493
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: that stage where people tend to hit the wall for

1494
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: a while, like they might, you know, have some encounters,

1495
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: but it breaks the deer's way every single time, and

1496
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: they just timing of the draw, missing, bad shot, whatever.

1497
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: It just takes a while to get over that hump.

1498
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: And when they do, a lot of people who get

1499
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: over that, the big buck kills become more consistent. Not

1500
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:04,479
Speaker 1: be every year, but it's like it's it's something changes there.

1501
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: And the other thing where you see that that real

1502
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: world experience like that you just can't get from someone

1503
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: else is what happens when the shot goes wrong. And

1504
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: I ran into this. I was reading a threat on

1505
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: something might have been both Sight or something the other day,

1506
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: and it was about gut shots and liver shots and

1507
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: the advice that was given in there. I was like, man,

1508
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: some of these people seem like they've never actually shot

1509
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: a deer poorly, or they're not admitting to it, or

1510
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: they've never been on a blood trail of a gut

1511
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: shot deer. And you know, all these other factors come

1512
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: in right, like well, what kind of broadhead were you using,

1513
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: What was the actual angle of the shot, like what

1514
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: was the reaction? All this stuff that's kind of kind

1515
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: of gets left out in an internet conversation like that

1516
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: that you would know if you shanked it and hit

1517
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: one in the guts, and you go, here's all the

1518
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: things I'm factoring in because I've been down this road

1519
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: before and I do not want to lose this. Here.

1520
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: I know I killed him. I don't know when he's

1521
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: gonna die, but I know he's going to and I'd

1522
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: really like to recover him. And so you don't get

1523
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: those kind of like that kind of real world experience

1524
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: reading about it. And like even if you post on

1525
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: the best hunting forum in the world and you're like,

1526
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: I shot a buck in the guts, what should I do?

1527
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: You're gonna get fifty million different answers and it's really

1528
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: not gonna matter to your situation. Maybe there'll be some

1529
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: maybe there'll be something that rises to the top, you know,

1530
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: like please wait X amount of hours or please do

1531
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: this or that, But mostly you got to go through

1532
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: that ship a bunch, whether it's something you did or

1533
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: you're helping your buddies out or whatever, to just like

1534
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: sort of frame your own like like the carve your

1535
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: own path and go, uh, you know, past has told

1536
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: me when I did this too early it was a

1537
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: big mistake, or when I pushed it, or when I

1538
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: talked myself into this. I did not get that, dear,

1539
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: And when I just went to bed and got up

1540
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: an hour before first light and got out there, I

1541
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: found that deer a hundred and twenty yards away, stone dead.

1542
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: That kind of experience, man, it is just freaking gold.

1543
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: And you don't get it, Like you don't vicariously get it. Yeah,

1544
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: you can't get That's the one I think. It's the

1545
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: one thing I love. One of the things I love

1546
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: most about bow hunting is that you can't cheat it.

1547
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: There is no cheating it, you know. And what you

1548
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: were saying earlier about you know people. You know, you

1549
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: see people given advice or whatever the case is, and

1550
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: it seems like they may may not have ever shot

1551
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: a bad deer or a deer poorly or whatever the

1552
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: case is. Or even whenever you start killing some decent

1553
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: deer you hit a wall or whatever. It's like I'm

1554
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: kind of in both camps, like I've eaten tag. Well,

1555
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: this year isn't over, but at this point I'll have

1556
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,839
Speaker 1: eaten tags for two years straight at this point in

1557
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: multiple states. And last year I hit a good one

1558
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: in Missouri that was that was on film, which you

1559
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: know sucks even worse and lost it. Um. You know,

1560
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: in the year before that, I was in Iowa and

1561
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: I missed the same deer twice, same big deer ice

1562
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: and I kept finding him and we find him now.

1563
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: That had a happy ending because the last day of

1564
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: the hunt, I actually shot a really good shot, a

1565
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: really good buck at like four o'clock on my last

1566
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: day in Iowa. Um, so things ended well. But you know,

1567
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: and I think the thing is is when you have

1568
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: those mistakes and when you're doing this, you know you're

1569
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: having these maybe challenges. If you will, you know, the

1570
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: worst thing you can do for yourself is be dishonest

1571
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: and untruthful to yourself. Like be honest and owned the outcome.

1572
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: You be accountable for whatever happened. It doesn't make you

1573
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: a bad person. But the first thing I needed to

1574
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: do when I missed that buck in Iowa was like

1575
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: if I were going to have if I had any

1576
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: hope for filling that tag and Iowa the days that

1577
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: I had remaining after I missed him the first time,

1578
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: I had to be really honest and be accountable for

1579
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: why I actually missed him, not any like well the

1580
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: sun was in my eyes, you know what I mean,

1581
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: Like make up some excuse you can tell your buddies

1582
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: to make you feel better, Like, no, it was the

1583
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: biggest year at that point I had ever seen from

1584
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: a tree. And I got shook and I rushed, and

1585
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: I rushed the shot and I shot under him, plain

1586
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: and simple, you know what I mean. Like that's that's

1587
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: all there was. That's all there was to it. The

1588
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: second time I missed him, I probably took a shot

1589
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: that was ill advised because I thought I could slip

1590
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: through in between some some brush or whatever the case was.

1591
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: And I mean I never hit the deer. Both times

1592
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: I clean missed him. The second one was I hit

1593
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: some debris and it just knocked knocked my air on

1594
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: the dirt, you know. But I had to be honest

1595
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: with myself as to why I missed. So the third

1596
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: opportunity I got my time, you know, played played things

1597
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: correctly and made a good shot. You know. Um the

1598
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: one in Missouri was you know, And because I've been

1599
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: truthful with myself, it's like I could analyze things. It

1600
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: was on film, the shot looked awesome. When we actually

1601
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: slowed it way down, you could see there was a

1602
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: small branch that a small like little cedar twig that

1603
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: was there when before I shot, and it was gone

1604
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: after I shot, just enough to knock my arrow off

1605
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: and kind of slap him instead of sticking, you know

1606
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. And that was and that was that right,

1607
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: you know. And so you just kind of have to

1608
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: own the outcomes of those things in order to get

1609
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: in order to get better. Otherwise you're just kind of

1610
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: cheat and just kind of cheating yourself. So that I do.

1611
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time shooting in the off

1612
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: season working on my shot sequence. You know. That was

1613
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: the only thing I knew to do, was to do that.

1614
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: I've put myself in the right spots. I just needed

1615
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 1: to be better when the moment of truth kind of hit.

1616
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: I needed to have my ship together, you know. And

1617
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 1: so that's essentially what I worked on like the past

1618
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: two years in the off season, you know. But it's

1619
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: like I'm still searching to try to fill a tag

1620
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: this year. I think growth comes in different ways, man.

1621
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: You know, when you mentioned something about, you know, growing

1622
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: as a deer as a deer hunter, it made me

1623
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: think of something you know that really isn't even related

1624
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: to to deer hunting to a degree, And I learned

1625
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: this from you know, you know Dan en Fault. Everyone

1626
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: knows Dan Legend, right, bed hunter, you know, probably one

1627
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: of the best guys you'll ever meet, give you the

1628
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: shirt off his back. And I've had the opportunity to

1629
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: talk to him on my show and just text with

1630
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: him and stuff like that. And the thing that always

1631
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: struck me was that, you know, I think deer hunting

1632
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: helped you know, if you're truthful to deer hunting, ultimately

1633
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: you can become a better deer hunter. But I think

1634
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: you can take those same principles they actually help you

1635
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: become better at all things that you do, whether it's

1636
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: being a husband, being a father, or whatever the case is.

1637
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,719
Speaker 1: And I remember talking to Danny. He's been really open

1638
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: about this, just in whatever shows he's been on about

1639
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: that he would essentially he's made mistakes and the biggest

1640
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: regrets he has is the amount of time he's spent

1641
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: away from family chasing the legend, so to speak. Right,

1642
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: And that dawned on me this year because it's mid

1643
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: October laterst. October, had two really great encounters. I knew

1644
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: where there was a good deer, a primary scrape, the

1645
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: wind was perfect for it. Coold Front blows in, I

1646
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: should be in the tree. My daughter had an equestrian

1647
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: competition that morning. My choice was go to a place

1648
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: where I knew in my gut, I knew that I

1649
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 1: would probably see the deer that I had seen the

1650
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 1: week prior in the same spot and probably get a

1651
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: shot opportunity at him this time. Or I'd be a

1652
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: good dad and go to my daughter's writing competition. And

1653
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: it was a no brainer. I went to the writing competition.

1654
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: Haven't checked that camera since I don't know if that

1655
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: deared them back through the area or not. Right. I

1656
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: text Dan right after that and said, I think that

1657
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: I've actually grew as a deer hunter today because I

1658
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: made the right I made the right choice. In your

1659
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: words were ringing in my ear as I was debating

1660
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: on what I should do today. I made I made

1661
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: the right choice as a as a man, and I

1662
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: think a lot of times deer hunting and prioritizing things

1663
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, or getting in the right scenarios is about

1664
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: prioritizing right. It's like you've got to prioritize is the

1665
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: wind key, what's the weather? What are my thermals going

1666
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: to do? Like you're making your list of priorities. That

1667
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: becomes a lot easier when the priorities in your life

1668
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: are in order and you're accountable in those areas, and

1669
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it becomes a lot easier

1670
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: to be accountable in the deer woods. And so that

1671
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: was kind of like my big learning lesson. If I

1672
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: said I had one big growth up, you know, growth

1673
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: spurt this year as a as a hunter, it was

1674
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: actually having those priorities kind of in check probably led

1675
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: to me having the encounters that I had this year

1676
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: because I had things kind of taken care of. Dude,

1677
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: I could not agree more. I Mean, one of the

1678
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: biggest revelations I've had in my life is when when

1679
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: my little girls were born, I went from kind of

1680
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 1: unlimited hunting time. Like I really didn't need to be home.

1681
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: So if I went out of state, I could stay

1682
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: and you know, I would I would block off like

1683
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: ten days, and if I didn't have anything killed, I

1684
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 1: didn't need to go home, and so I could I

1685
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: could stick around. And that was a huge gift, right,

1686
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: Like I just I just took it for granted. I'm like,

1687
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: I just I'm just gonna go untill I killed it.

1688
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: Was it was a huge part of my early success.

1689
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't have to rush things. And then

1690
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: when we had our little girls, it was like, now

1691
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 1: you're a weekend warrior and you've got four days and

1692
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: you've got the pressure of At that point, you know,

1693
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: if I didn't kill you know, x amount of deery year,

1694
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: I had nothing to write about. I wasn't gonna make

1695
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: any money, and so I had I had all kinds

1696
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: of pressure coming in. But what it made me realize,

1697
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I love deer hunting and I

1698
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: love big Bucks and the whole thing that goes along

1699
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: with it, but it's not that I like, it's not

1700
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,799
Speaker 1: as important as I had made it before I had kids.

1701
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: And you know, at that same time, I quit drinking too,

1702
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: and so I started to really kind of just go, man,

1703
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: my time is it's different now, Like my time is

1704
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: my time, but a lot of it's not my time,

1705
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: and I'm okay with that. It's my family time, it's

1706
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: my kids time. And it just it helped me get

1707
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: to a place where when I was staring down the

1708
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: barrel of it, my wife's pregnant with two kids, and

1709
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy sh it, this is gonna this is

1710
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: gonna destroy everything I love. Really, what it did was

1711
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: it just showed me like, just just use the time

1712
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: that you have left wisely use it and you'll be happier.

1713
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: And I actually had less time to hunt and I

1714
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 1: cared way less about big Bucks after that, and I

1715
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: started just tearing it up on those short hunts, and

1716
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: it was like the thing that was different was my mindset.

1717
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't like you gotta go be this badass big

1718
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: Buck hunter. It was just like, I don't know, You've

1719
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: got four days philled tag to figure out something. Don't waste.

1720
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: Don't waste the time you have because you've got to

1721
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 1: be home, you know, Sunday night to take the girls

1722
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: trick or treating or whatever. And it put me in

1723
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: a place where I was just like I'm filling tags

1724
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: like freaking crazy, and like on paper, it should have

1725
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: went the other way. But it was like what you said,

1726
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: It was like, Okay, put prioritize what you need to

1727
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: get your ship together and all of this stuff in

1728
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: your life, not just targeting Big Bucks. All of it's

1729
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: going to get better. It's a hard thing to understand

1730
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: till you go through it. Yeah, it's it's uh, I

1731
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: saw like a quote somewhere and I forget, I forget

1732
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: exactly what it said, but I'm gonna I'm gonna essentially

1733
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: butcher it. But the net net of it was, or

1734
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: the gist of it was, is that essentially hard things

1735
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 1: basically lead to it to an easy life, right. And

1736
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: so it's like the life might look easy, but it's

1737
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: the hard stuff that you had to do in order

1738
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: to create that, to get that life for yourself, right,

1739
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the to me. It's like I

1740
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: kind of look at it away with with with deer hunting,

1741
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's like like going back to what we

1742
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: were talking about with late season. It's like taking those

1743
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: swings and misses, doing the challenging hunt, you know, and

1744
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: and and going back to what we're just talking about

1745
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: with prioritization, like double dip, like that's my big thing. Man.

1746
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 1: It's like I'm don't get a ton of time to

1747
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: get out, Like I try to scout as much as

1748
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: I possibly can, and I do, and I do scout

1749
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: a lot, but I'm always trying to use like things

1750
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: for multiple purposes. You know. It's like even with my gear,

1751
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 1: it's like my gear. I try to make things have

1752
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 1: have double purposes, so I'm not carrying extra stuff, you know.

1753
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: And so when I'm out scouting or when i'm out

1754
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: hunting for late season, I'm actually starting to scout for

1755
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: next year. And while I'm hunting during October, I'm actually

1756
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 1: starting to scout and look at food sources and stuff

1757
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: for a late season. So it's all that prioritization and

1758
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: doing the hard work so the hunt is easy for

1759
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: the hunts are easy, so to speak, right, the same

1760
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: thing in life, it's like you lay the foundation, that's

1761
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: the hard part, and then once you do that, the

1762
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: life you get to live on top of it's pretty

1763
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: It is pretty cake. Man. Yeah, And you know you're

1764
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: I know that you're we should clarify something. I know

1765
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: that you scout a ton, but you're also very targeted

1766
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 1: in your approach, and there's there's something probably worth exploring

1767
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: a little bit there as far as instead of you know,

1768
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: I think you could I think again kind of like

1769
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: what I just talked about, you can put it on

1770
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 1: paper and be like, all right, you've got ninety days

1771
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: this year to scout, and people will be like, oh

1772
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: my god, you're gonna figure everything out. You probably don't

1773
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: need that. You probably need you know, a day a

1774
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: week or I mean like a three hour block a

1775
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: week or something would probably be a better way to

1776
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: put it instead of framing it in days. Because if

1777
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 1: you if you have a targeted approach, it's like you

1778
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: can get a lot of stuff done. You know, my

1779
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: wife is always my wife's really good about me being gone. Now,

1780
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: like we've got through all that stuff in our lives

1781
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's pretty sweet. And there'll be times where

1782
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, i gotta go over. I just want to

1783
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: walk this property in Wisconsin, and she'll be like, well,

1784
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: you can be gone all weekend. I'm gonna be like

1785
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, no, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna

1786
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: leave super really Saturday morning and I'll be home to

1787
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: make the girls breakfast. And she'd be like, no, you

1788
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: can go, And I'm like, I don't need that. I

1789
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: just need to go just scratch the itch and just

1790
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: take this time to go look at this one spot

1791
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: or walk this one route, and then I'll be done.

1792
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: It's good enough because you know, you sit at home

1793
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: and you look at your on X and you've been

1794
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: to places like that before maybe you've been in there

1795
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: or somewhere similar, and you go, I just I just

1796
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: need to know, like I just need to see this

1797
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: in person to tie this together and know whether it's

1798
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: worth more time or whether I'm going to show up

1799
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: there to hunt in October and just get to a

1800
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: point where you can you can take those little bites

1801
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: and they're worth something. Yeah, And I think it gives

1802
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: back to that the whole idea around prioritization that we

1803
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: talked about. You know, a good example of that is,

1804
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, this past year, um and hope if I'm

1805
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: gonna make it back up there in the next couple

1806
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: of weeks to to do some late season hunting, but

1807
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 1: you know, there was a new piece of big woods

1808
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: that I really wanted to tackle, you know, and not

1809
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: that caliber a deer is everything, but you know, I

1810
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: knew I had had a sneaking suspicion that they were

1811
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: a really good deer in this one particular area. It's

1812
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it's in the hundred thousand plus kind of

1813
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: acre range. So it's a lot to try to cover, right, Like,

1814
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: you're not gonna cover all of it, So how do

1815
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: you how do you break something like that down and

1816
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: how do you do it over the course of a summer.

1817
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: And I literally had three days to go scout it

1818
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: in totality over over the summer, just because we had

1819
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,600
Speaker 1: a late snow a pilot of snow last year. The

1820
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: snow didn't melt off very very quickly. Then when it did,

1821
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,679
Speaker 1: it just kind of went away and then spring popped,

1822
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: and so like trying to find like all the sign

1823
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: from last year was super challenging. And so really it

1824
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: was me prioritizing, say, all right, I'm gonna look at

1825
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: these handful of spots and that's it. Like I could

1826
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: get wide eyed and just like walk all over the

1827
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 1: place with no purpose. But I'm gonna look at these

1828
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: particular areas and I'm gonna run some cameras in them

1829
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: this year, and I'm gonna qualify them and if they're

1830
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: if they suck, then I know that they suck, and

1831
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: I'll move into some new areas or whatever. Well, it

1832
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: turns out I found some hammer deer. I sent you

1833
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: some pictures of some of the deer that I had found,

1834
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: and there are some hammers that were there. And I

1835
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: had a chance to hunt him once this year and

1836
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: and didn't see anything. But then now the plan is

1837
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: to go back for late season again double dipping. I'm

1838
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 1: gonna go back from late season and a crossing my

1839
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,040
Speaker 1: fingers that we get a little bit of snow so

1840
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: I can do some track and try to backtrack them

1841
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: to either like secondary food sources, which would be primary

1842
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 1: food sources now, but what would be secondary food sources

1843
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: during the during the fall, try to backtrack them back

1844
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: to betting and start to try to either kill a

1845
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,759
Speaker 1: deer here in late season anything we'll do at this point,

1846
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: or I'm going to start to make a plan for

1847
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: next year and understand where they really want to spend

1848
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: a lot of time, because I've got some really good data.

1849
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: I know there's killer deer there, and I know I

1850
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: have them at night, and but I have them on

1851
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: the cusp of like they're not far away, but just

1852
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm not in the right spot. So I need to

1853
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: kind of tweak it and figure it out, and I

1854
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,839
Speaker 1: can go hunt it for probably two more days and

1855
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: hang some cameras and I'll probably have a total of

1856
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: like six days scouting this whole area, and I'll have

1857
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 1: a really good idea of what they're gonna do. In

1858
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: in in daylight for next season. And so if you

1859
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: think about it, that's a total of like six days,

1860
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, and not even eight hour not even eight

1861
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: hour days. Gonna be honest with you, I'm I'm a

1862
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: late riser in the off season for scouts. I like

1863
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: to get up, have my coffee, you know, mill around

1864
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,560
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then I and then I head out, um,

1865
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, so in total, it's like I might have

1866
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: six days on that piece, and like I said, it's

1867
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 1: a total of probably like a hundred and some out

1868
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: thousand acres and I've got some really good prime spots

1869
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: to take a swing at next year. And so it's

1870
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: just really all about prioritizing and understanding terrain, knowing what

1871
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: habitat is there, taking a small bike, getting some data,

1872
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: and then using that data to kind of fuel your

1873
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: your AI machine, if you will, to try and then

1874
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: to to really kind of throw gas on the fire

1875
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: of like, all right, now I know what I'm looking for,

1876
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 1: let's good find more of that, and where do I

1877
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 1: see spots that looks similar to those places? Well, and

1878
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 1: and and kind of tucked into that lesson, there is

1879
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 1: the long game approach, and that's something we we kind

1880
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: of we portrayed this this this image a lot of

1881
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 1: times that it's like, all right, East scout, find this spot,

1882
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: go in there, scout it hunted, killbuck, go move on whatever.

1883
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: And when you talk to people who are pretty into

1884
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 1: public land hunting and target big bucks fairly often it's

1885
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: it's always that's the same kind of conversation. Right, Like

1886
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 1: you're talking about like, yeah, I'm gonna draw Iowa next year,

1887
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, have you been down to the Less Hills?

1888
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 1: Have you been into this spot? Have you been into

1889
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: that spot? And you realize that people who are doing

1890
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: this a lot are just there. It's not like I'm

1891
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 1: just scouting for this year, or it's not like you're

1892
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: just going into a spot because you're like, I'm going

1893
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: to kill a big Pennsylvania buck on this piece of

1894
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 1: public land this year. It's like, I'm gonna go feel

1895
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: around in here and see what kind of vibes I

1896
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: get and if if it's right, like I'm gonna start

1897
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: digging in a little bit deeper. And it might not

1898
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:33,799
Speaker 1: be this year, it might be three years from now,

1899
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 1: but you might swing back around there, or you might

1900
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: just work on it for a couple of years before

1901
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,719
Speaker 1: you even hunt it, but you're just going, is this

1902
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 1: is this the place where this can happen or not?

1903
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 1: And you don't you don't figure that out like right

1904
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 1: away most of the time, you know, like I have.

1905
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: I've had a ton of people ask me about my

1906
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: Iowa hunt last year on public land, and you know, like,

1907
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: how did you find that spot? Where were you know,

1908
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: everybody wants to know where you're hunting. You know, obviously

1909
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell them, but I I started

1910
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: thinking about it because I didn't scout that place a ton.

1911
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 1: I turkey hunted it with the intention of scouting it.

1912
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: And then I did swing through coming back from an

1913
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: alcohunt or sorry, coming back from an antelope hunt, and

1914
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 1: looked at some properties that were there that kind of

1915
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: interested me. But I didn't have a bunch of time there.

1916
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:21,640
Speaker 1: But I did have a bunch of time in the

1917
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: state over the last I don't know, five or six years,

1918
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: looking at different properties, just going like, man, I don't

1919
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't hate this ground, but the camping sucks. So

1920
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: for my kind of hunting, it's not great or I

1921
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: don't mind this, but there's like a lot of evidence

1922
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 1: of hunters here, and so that's kind of kind of like, no,

1923
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not really convinced. And then I found

1924
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: the spot that I hunted, and I was like, Okay,

1925
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: this is worth that extra investigation. Then it became worth Okay,

1926
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna pay for that freaking tag and I'm

1927
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,719
Speaker 1: gonna go down there and I'm gonna take those dates

1928
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: and do it. But it sounds you know, you write

1929
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: an article about it, or you talked about it on

1930
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 1: a podcast whatever, it's kind of like sounds like a

1931
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,799
Speaker 1: very simple thing. But a lot of the best public

1932
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: land hunts there's there's years built in there. Whether you're

1933
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: at home or on the road, it's not just like

1934
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: so simple, it's just like here's the spot and I

1935
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 1: go hunt and kill one. Yeah, a lot of times,

1936
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: especially you know, out of state. For me, it's a

1937
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: it's a lot of freelance um, just by nature of

1938
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: what I do for a living and being able to

1939
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: get away and stuff like that. But to your point,

1940
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: I played the long game at a lot of other places,

1941
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: so I get a lot of intel on like on

1942
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: things that work and terrain features that are gonna that

1943
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: are gonna work, and just like to your what we

1944
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, building that neural network of information,

1945
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: of deer hunting information. So it's like I've seen different things,

1946
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: and if I see that same thing in Iowa or

1947
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: in Kansas or whatever, I kind of will know what

1948
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 1: the setup needs to look like or whether or not

1949
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: it's going to be an area that might that might

1950
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 1: have deer. But that spot in p A is certainly

1951
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: a long game. Like my my intention was was that

1952
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: maybe in three years I'll kill a deer on it.

1953
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 1: And my wasn't even planning to hunt it this year,

1954
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,560
Speaker 1: And truthfully, I thought, I thought it would take me

1955
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: till next year to find good deer. And so I

1956
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: felt like I was almost like a year ahead because

1957
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 1: I got on really good deer, you know, the first

1958
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 1: the first year, and I had him in daylight all

1959
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: leading up to the phone them when they shifted, like

1960
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: it just I was still getting them, but now I

1961
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 1: was getting them, you know, getting them at night essentially,

1962
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: you know. And so for that spot specifically, you know,

1963
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: next year feels like the year that I'm probably going

1964
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 1: to hunt it. I'm on the fences to whether I'm not.

1965
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to travel for white tails next year, So

1966
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: it might be my travel hunt. It will be in state,

1967
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: but it might be my my travel hunt. Um, but

1968
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: staying true to staying true to my style. I on

1969
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: a whim on a shotgun kind of whim. But an

1970
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 1: Idaho elk tag. Never been to Idaho. Uh, probably not

1971
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: going to get a chance to go scout or do

1972
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: any scouting. But I'm gonna go to Idaho and wing

1973
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: an elk hunt for for next year. So I'm gonna

1974
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: have a little bit of both. Man, you know, the

1975
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 1: other thing is too man. I really the value for

1976
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 1: me in the long game came from working a lot

1977
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,560
Speaker 1: with my with my buddy Chad Sylvester. He and I

1978
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 1: went to Kansas together. He killed like a hundred and

1979
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: seventy in deer. He's just it was a hammer of

1980
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 1: a buck. Great hunter. But he has a really like

1981
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: annual kind of approach with trail cameras and TRL camera data.

1982
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: And it was spending a lot of time with him

1983
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 1: and hunting with him, scouting with him, hanging to trail

1984
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 1: cameras with him and stuff like that was really where

1985
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: I learned, you know, I mean I kind of knew

1986
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: how to do, you know, use annual data or whatever.

1987
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: But the way he does it, it's just so much

1988
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: more specific in specific areas to where once I kind

1989
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: of understood his method, like I was able to kind

1990
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: of poured it over to like the places I'm hunting

1991
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 1: solo and stuff like that and kind of use that

1992
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: same approach. And so I rely a lot, especially locally,

1993
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: on annual trail camera data. It's not the end all

1994
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: be all. It's a tool. It's not my strategy. It

1995
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: is a tool by which I make my strategy and

1996
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: kind of qualifying a piece understanding, especially during the rut

1997
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: time frame, what kind of what time certain areas are

1998
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: going to turn on you travel corridors or over the cases,

1999
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: you know what time or deer coming through being all

2000
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: the time, stamp them backtrack then where is the closest betting,

2001
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 1: where's the closest secondary food, you know, all those types

2002
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: of things. But I use that annual data and I've

2003
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: watched it bear out so many times on specific deer

2004
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 1: year over a year, within specific kind of like couple

2005
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: day windows to where it's like I really start to

2006
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: use that now going back to prioritization again to where

2007
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: it's like, if I am going to go hunt. I'm like,

2008
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: it's this three day window because I know, you know,

2009
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: and look, there's still deer, they're still wild animals, it's

2010
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: still public land. They may or may not show up.

2011
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you that they're going to be in

2012
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: that area during that time frame. They may not be

2013
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 1: in that spot, you know, and so that's when the scouting.

2014
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying the cameras are a tool, not

2015
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 1: a strategy. You still need to kind of go in

2016
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,799
Speaker 1: and kind of understand what's going in in your woods

2017
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 1: and where are they going to potentially be within that

2018
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 1: three day window, because you can almost guarantee they're going

2019
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 1: to be in the area, but where exactly and why

2020
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: are they going to be in one spot versus another. Yeah,

2021
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: that's his approach, and that that dude knows what he's doing.

2022
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: His approach is fascinating because we we hang cameras, we

2023
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: check them, or you know, it's more more and more

2024
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: cell cameras now and it's like, Okay, they're and now

2025
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna go hunting, or they're not moving.

2026
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: Now I guess I'm not gonna go hunting. If they're moving,

2027
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 1: you've already missed it. Yeah, exactly, And that's that's something.

2028
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you put that that way, because you know,

2029
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: I've bumped into people, uh, you know on the road

2030
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: when I'm hunting certain chunks of public land who have

2031
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, the same amount of time as me, and

2032
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: they're trying to run a trail camera program in like

2033
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: four days or five days on a property they've never

2034
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: been to. I'm like, what do you do? Like how

2035
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,680
Speaker 1: does this seem like a good idea to you? But

2036
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: when you look at his approach and what you're doing,

2037
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 1: it's it's that long game again, and it's just like, Okay,

2038
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: you only have x amount of days, you only have

2039
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,839
Speaker 1: x amount of time, and if you have enough spots,

2040
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: you know you've got plan A, Plan B, Plan C.

2041
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, I gotta I got a three

2042
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: day weekend coming up. What you know, the last five

2043
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: years this place has been on fire around Halloween, and

2044
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: you know, the conditions are setting up where it's like,

2045
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: this feels like this is it It's lining up or not.

2046
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: It's not just going okay, well is there a big

2047
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 1: buck in the It's with me because I had a

2048
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 1: picture of him last week because that's a different thing, right, Yeah,

2049
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is it will start to help you,

2050
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 1: at least for me, because hunting in you know, even

2051
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: hunting around home for me is almost like hunting out

2052
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 1: of state in terms of how much time I have

2053
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 1: because of my career and stuff like that. And I'm

2054
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 1: fortunate that I work remotely, so yeah, I can slip

2055
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: out in the morning before work and maybe split out

2056
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: a little bit early from my home office and get

2057
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: out the woods, you know, after work or whatever. But

2058
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 1: I'm still kind of relegated to like X amount of

2059
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 1: days during the course of the year that I can

2060
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: legitimately get out and hunt, and so I have to

2061
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: be And I was one thing this year that I noticed,

2062
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: like it did a lot better than I've done in

2063
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 1: years past. It like I was just very strategic in

2064
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: my strikes where it's like I was having quality sits

2065
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: every sit And it's kind of knowing that long term

2066
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 1: data as to when areas are going to be good

2067
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: versus versus you know, potentially you know less less than

2068
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: good so to speak, you know. But what I've kind

2069
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: of found for me at least, and I would have

2070
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: never thought this, you know, because I previously was always

2071
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: kind of a run hunter, Like I loved that first

2072
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: week in November, end of that last week of October

2073
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 1: kind of time frame I'm actually changing now, Like my

2074
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: favorite time now to hunt and when I'm actually having

2075
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: consistently the past couple of years, when I'm having my

2076
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: best encounters is actually that time frame like the sixteenth

2077
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:15,600
Speaker 1: through like rate snack dab, like the middle of the

2078
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: low kind of time frame. Like my best encounters in

2079
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania this year where the sixteenth and the eighteen. You know,

2080
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: we're the best, you know, the best hunts that I had,

2081
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: your public land hunter, right, I mean it really, dude,

2082
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: I've been preaching this a while, like you know, the

2083
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 1: US preached it to me, and I've not listened to you.

2084
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 1: You know, I shouldn't have been listening to Tony this

2085
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 1: whole time. Well, dude, I mean you just you see

2086
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: that happen. I mean, I think there's a good window

2087
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: in mid October any way, just generally, I think it's

2088
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: a better window than than we kind of hunter thing.

2089
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 1: But I also think if you're hunting public land, you

2090
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: know you talked about this right at the beginning, there's

2091
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: a there's a flurry activity around the opener, and then

2092
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 1: there's a flurry activity around the run, and right in

2093
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: between that is a time when everybody tells you that

2094
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 1: you aren't gonna move and the hunting is gonna suck,

2095
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,759
Speaker 1: So people don't go hunting. And those deer react to pressure,

2096
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: and they move around and they check scrapes, and they

2097
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: lay down sign and they spare a little and they

2098
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 1: do their thing. And if you're if you're a public

2099
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: land hunter, the rut can really suck because the amount

2100
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 1: of people out there, But two weeks before that, two

2101
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: and a half, three weeks before that can be amazing

2102
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: because you can just work the deer and not worry

2103
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 1: about the people. Yeah. The other thing I've evolved in

2104
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: the past couple of years to just kind of, you know,

2105
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 1: piggybacking off of that, is actually October mornings over evenings,

2106
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: Like I prefer. I feel like if I am going

2107
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 1: to get any hunting pressure, it's going to be people

2108
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 1: who are going to follow that, like, well, you're going

2109
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: to use it as a reason the typical media like

2110
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: you can't hunt mornings in October, like everyone should be

2111
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 1: hunting evenings until the last week of October, They're going

2112
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: to use that logic as an excuse to not get

2113
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 1: their ass out of bed and go hunt in the

2114
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: morning at four o'clock in the morning. I'm getting up

2115
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 1: at four o'clock in the morning, getting in the woods,

2116
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing them bucks till like nine, you know,

2117
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: completely unpressured, unbothered, you know, good to go. Um. So

2118
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 1: I've actually changed my tune where it's like, I really

2119
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 1: like the middle of October during the law is probably

2120
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: one of my favorite times now, and actually October mornings

2121
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,759
Speaker 1: over evenings, Like you give me a good crisp October

2122
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 1: morning over and evening, I'll take that, you know, nine

2123
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 1: times out of ten. And that's just going back to

2124
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 1: like having these experiences. I've taken some swings and misses,

2125
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, and I've tried some you know, I've had

2126
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 1: plenty of morning hunts that failed, and plenty of evening

2127
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 1: hunts that were a little bit better. But when I

2128
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: started going back looking at like journals or carrying a

2129
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 1: video camera with me, going back watching video from previous

2130
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 1: mons and stuff like that, I started kind of recognizing

2131
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 1: the pattern I'm like, and then looking at trail camera

2132
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 1: data as well well. Again playing the long term game,

2133
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 1: going like, hey, this is weird when I look back

2134
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,640
Speaker 1: at my journal and then I look back at like

2135
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 1: the video that I was able to capture, and I

2136
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 1: look back at my trail camera activity. Man, I'm getting

2137
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: a lot of natural movement in and around these prime

2138
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 1: locations in this window in the middle of October, and

2139
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 1: all of it in the morning. Like, well, it doesn't

2140
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a rocket scientist, you know. It's like just

2141
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: gonna take the obvious and go like, hey, that seems

2142
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 1: like a pretty good, pretty good time that I should be.

2143
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 1: I should be in a tree somewhere. Yeah, you man,

2144
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 1: you hit on one of my that triggers me if

2145
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 1: I could use a new Age term here, uh, because

2146
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 1: I think you know we know where that came from, right,

2147
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: like we can it came from people giving advice who

2148
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: didn't you know, they can afford to wait. They have

2149
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: the places where they can wait for the rut, they

2150
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: can wait for better conditions. But it also comes from

2151
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: our just like such a reliance on sitting food and

2152
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: so you know, you think about early season, you're gonna

2153
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 1: sit field edges and whatever if you have them available

2154
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 1: in the early season up until the rut and obviously,

2155
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 1: like a lot of people just that's what they hunt.

2156
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,600
Speaker 1: And so even even really bad hunters generally know, like

2157
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna walk in and sit on the edge

2158
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 1: of a soybean field in the morning. So it's like, well,

2159
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't hunt, because that's the option I've

2160
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: given myself. When you hunt pressure deer and you don't

2161
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 1: have that that you know, destination food source option nearly

2162
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 1: is available to you. And if it is available to you,

2163
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 1: everybody's hunting it. You go, I gotta get in the cover,

2164
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 1: and when you get in the cover, you go, oh,

2165
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 1: dear still move all the time when they feel safe.

2166
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: It's just they're not out in those places that are

2167
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: easy to hunt. I mean, you know, I've killed a

2168
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: pile of deer in September and October in the mornings,

2169
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 1: and I had a I had an experience on I

2170
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 1: think it was opening weekend in Minnesota, probably like six

2171
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 1: years ago, where it was just a nice morning and

2172
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, I got dough tags, I got a buck tag,

2173
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,599
Speaker 1: And I've been trying to just sit longer and longer

2174
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 1: and longer, so I'm not necessarily doing all day sits

2175
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:43,639
Speaker 1: in the early season. But I'm getting much closer because

2176
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, if I got a day to hunt,

2177
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 1: i'mnna hunt. And so if I if I leave, you know,

2178
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: like that's fine, I'll go grab a burger or something.

2179
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 1: But you know, I like trying to like I like

2180
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: trying to push myself to just be like, okay, instead

2181
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 1: of getting out at ten o'clock, sit till eleven or

2182
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 1: eleven thirty or twelve or whatever, like shortened that window

2183
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: when you're gone. And I was doing that, and I

2184
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 1: had seen a few deer. I think I saw a

2185
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: little bucket some does. And then it was like at

2186
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 1: that time where I was like, okay, I'm out of coffee,

2187
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 1: like there's you know, it's September whatever, you know, it's

2188
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 1: not going to happen. And I look over and here

2189
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 1: comes this like hundred forty class buck just browsing his

2190
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:19,759
Speaker 1: way through the woods and he was he was close,

2191
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 1: but it was thick. I never got a shot at him.

2192
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 1: But it was like eleven o'clock in the morning in September,

2193
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, God, these things are out here

2194
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 1: just doing their thing, like they're not like what we

2195
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: think we know is not what they actually do a

2196
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: lot of times. And the more you kind of go, Okay,

2197
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a contrary and I'm gonna hunt differently

2198
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 1: than I've been told to, you start seeing how we

2199
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 1: believe these things that just simply are not true out

2200
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 1: there in the deer woods. Yeah, I mean, if you

2201
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:49,599
Speaker 1: look at you know, colored deer data and stuff like that,

2202
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 1: it's they're just not moving. I mean, they still have

2203
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 1: to move, like, they gotta get up, they gotta stretch,

2204
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 1: they gotta take a leak. They I mean they eat

2205
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 1: what is it five times a day, I think is

2206
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 1: what it is, right if I'm not if I'm not mistaken.

2207
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 1: So they've got to go eat at some point where

2208
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: they're bedded down. So if you think about it realistically,

2209
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 1: right during the course of twenty four hours, if they

2210
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 1: get back to bed at six o'clock, like they've got

2211
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: to get up sometime around ten to go grab a

2212
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:12,600
Speaker 1: munch somewhere, you know what i mean. So it's like,

2213
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think during that time of year, Yeah,

2214
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 1: it's important to be like up in their wheelhouse. I'm

2215
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 1: not saying you need to hunt like necessarily right over

2216
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,759
Speaker 1: their bed, but the closer you are to it, obviously,

2217
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: the better off you are, you know. But they're not

2218
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities. But if you can kind of

2219
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 1: get in tight to where they're gonna want to spend

2220
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: their daylight hours, they're gonna have to at some point

2221
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: get up, you know, and and feed, take a leak,

2222
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,559
Speaker 1: you know, go to the bathroom, whatever the case is.

2223
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: And I think you're right, you know, I think that

2224
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: they do. You know, they do move a lot more

2225
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 1: and they I don't want to say it can be

2226
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 1: easily killed, but they are more killable than we want

2227
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 1: to they we want to think they are during that

2228
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 1: earlier part of the season. Again, I think a lot

2229
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: of this stuff comes down to, you know, excuses for

2230
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 1: not wanting, for not wanting to the same reason why

2231
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 1: people blow off late season, right dear, aren't gonna move.

2232
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,160
Speaker 1: They're all hold up after gun season. There's no food around.

2233
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't have a bean field to sit over, so

2234
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,799
Speaker 1: I'm not going to hunt. You know, those are aren't reasons,

2235
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,839
Speaker 1: their excuses, you know, because those deer are still there somewhere.

2236
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: You know. That's the one frustrating thing I think, you know,

2237
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: should I shouldn't be on social media during like hunting

2238
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: season in general. But but you know, a lot of

2239
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 1: during you know, the p A gun season at least,

2240
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 1: you get a lot of people saying there's no deer

2241
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: on the Pennsylvania game Lands. You know, I don't see

2242
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 1: any deer. There's no deer in this section or this

2243
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 1: section or whatever the case is. And it's frustrating because

2244
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 1: you just you know, it's it's not true, right, but

2245
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 1: some people just like take it as the gospel if

2246
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: they're not seeing dear that there's that there's no deer there.

2247
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 1: But the reality is is like, have you been sitting

2248
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: that place for fifteen years and has the habitat changed

2249
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 1: around you? That clear cut that was good fifteen years

2250
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 1: ago is now fifteen years old, you know, or whatever

2251
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 1: it is, right, And it's just frustrated to me. To me, like,

2252
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 1: I just always feel like this is maybe like a

2253
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 1: jerk thing to say, But anytime I see someone post

2254
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 1: something like that, you just sent up a red why

2255
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 1: that you don't know what you're doing, you know, And

2256
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 1: to me, that's what I take that as. And that

2257
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:06,719
Speaker 1: might be a jerk thing to say, but that's immediately

2258
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 1: what I think. I'm like, you're actually not a deer hunter.

2259
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: You're dear You're you're a dear sitter. You know, you're

2260
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 1: a dear waiter. You know what I mean is is

2261
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 1: what it comes down to? Well, yes, and that's what

2262
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:22,680
Speaker 1: you know to circle back and tie a bow on

2263
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: this whole thing. That's what we've been preaching all along

2264
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 1: is get out there. Just get out there and find out.

2265
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 1: You know, like I said, you know, I spend my

2266
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:34,600
Speaker 1: free time chasing dogs through cattail slews right now, Like

2267
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 1: that's I live for it. I love it. And the

2268
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 1: amount of deer that I see and the amount of

2269
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: beds that I find on public land right after the

2270
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 1: gun season went through is always incredible to me. And

2271
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: I promise you I could go into every dive bar

2272
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:49,839
Speaker 1: and all these little towns and start talking to anybody

2273
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:51,640
Speaker 1: wearing camel or blaze orange and be like, hey, do

2274
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: you think there's any deer left on that you know

2275
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 1: are of public land right outside of town? And they'd

2276
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 1: be like, you know, this guy's crew hunts through there.

2277
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 1: That guy's crew hung so that there's no way and

2278
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 1: those deer are in there and they never left. So

2279
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 1: we now know if Tony shows up on the next

2280
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,720
Speaker 1: Mediator show with a Black Eye. Will now know what

2281
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 1: conversation Tony had at the bar this week? Yep, Well

2282
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't spend a lot of time in

2283
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: bars right now, but I would promise you forgot about that.

2284
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 1: I promise you that I could find people. I know

2285
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 1: that that mentality is out there, and I know that

2286
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 1: it's it is not good for you as an individual hunter.

2287
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: If you want to have more fun out there, fill

2288
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:36,639
Speaker 1: more tags, and and and just become better. We gotta

2289
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:39,479
Speaker 1: wrap this up, buddy one. One last question. You've got

2290
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: a buck tag left in p A. You got do

2291
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 1: tags left. Let's talk about that buck take for just

2292
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 1: half a second. You said before it's green Light City.

2293
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: If he comes through, what's what's where? Did? Where did

2294
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 1: your standards drop to now with that buck tag? Oh man,

2295
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. Um. I'm always kind of This

2296
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: year is a little different than most, I'll put I'll

2297
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 1: put it that way. There is a particular deer that

2298
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 1: has caught my fancy. Um, and I've told myself at

2299
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, and I hate doing this.

2300
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 1: I typically don't chase a a single deer, especially on

2301
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 1: public land, but this guy is just really unique. Um

2302
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 1: and I know I figured out where he was betted

2303
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 1: too late and when he when he shifted essentially like October.

2304
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 1: He mid October he started moving and I just I

2305
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: kind of lost him. And I caught up with him

2306
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 1: around the twenty and again around the twenty seven, and

2307
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,640
Speaker 1: I missed him by a day two different times. He

2308
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 1: is kind of the deer that I'm after tim or

2309
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 1: bust for me, essentially. But I will put it this

2310
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 1: way that if a good looking Pennsylvania public land buck

2311
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 1: comes by that makes me get excited, I'm gonna stick

2312
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 1: an arrow on him. So I'm gonna I'm gonna academically

2313
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 1: say the one deer that I'm after, because he's the

2314
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:58,680
Speaker 1: one I've been kind of obsessing over this year. But

2315
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 1: the reality is, if it gets my heart a pitter pattern,

2316
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:04,640
Speaker 1: then there should there could be some carbon flye and

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Speaker 1: you you should work in the outdoor industry because that

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Speaker 1: was a great lesson in weasel words right there. Yeah

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Speaker 1: you like that. Yeah, you didn't fin yourself down to anything.

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Speaker 1: You left yourself and out to shoot a little one.

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Speaker 1: But we don't know how small it is. We know

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Speaker 1: you're targeting a big one. I love it, man, Clint.

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Speaker 1: Where can everybody find your podcast? Your social media all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, you can follow me at Truth from

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Speaker 1: stuff up on YouTube and the podcast is Truth from

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Speaker 1: the Stand Deer Hunting Podcast. You can find that everywhere

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Speaker 1: that podcasts are available. Awesome, Thanks Buddy, Thanks Buddy, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this week, folks. Be sure to tune

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. As I always, thank you so much for listening.

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