WEBVTT - Glory Days with Brad Falchuk

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<v Speaker 1>And That's What You Really Missed with Jenna.

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<v Speaker 2>And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to and That's What You Really miss Podcast. A

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<v Speaker 3>very special special special guest Santa.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do we have, Kevin?

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<v Speaker 2>We have Brad Foulchuck, one of the creators and writers

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<v Speaker 2>of Glee. He birthed us. Without him, who would we be?

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<v Speaker 2>We'd be nothing nothing. He has remained a constant friend,

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<v Speaker 2>source of stability. He's a wonderful human being and also

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<v Speaker 2>wildly talented. Wildly talented. He has a new show on

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix called Brother's Son. You should go watch it. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about it. He's just very, very good

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<v Speaker 2>and a very good person and so lucky that we

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<v Speaker 2>got to work with him for so long and still

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<v Speaker 2>can call him a friend. So here is Brad Faultchuck.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't even have an alias. He just comes on

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<v Speaker 1>as Brad felt Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would you have an alias?

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<v Speaker 1>Because he's famous.

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<v Speaker 2>I Jenna thinks you should have a zoom alias.

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<v Speaker 3>While you know, people come in and they were like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they picked like Harry Potter or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are you zooming with?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You know, some people come in with

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<v Speaker 1>weird names.

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<v Speaker 4>We travel. I've an alias, but not on zoom. On zoom,

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<v Speaker 4>I assume they know who like they like.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody sent me the link to get on the zoom.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, enough, I went to the zoom.

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<v Speaker 4>It was executives and stuff and a couple of writers

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<v Speaker 4>and there was a bunch of people in the meeting,

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<v Speaker 4>and about a third of the way in, somebody from

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<v Speaker 4>their side was sort of texting our sides saying, who's

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<v Speaker 4>the guy in the corner, and we're like, I have

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<v Speaker 4>nobous with you, and he goes a dude, know that

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<v Speaker 4>a meeting with those executives like the next day, but

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<v Speaker 4>somehow it got in the link and got into the

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<v Speaker 4>meeting and then just figured, I guess it's just stay,

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<v Speaker 4>So just stay. I was like, excuse me, you, I

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<v Speaker 4>think you should leave.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know how that meeting went the next day, like, hey, it.

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<v Speaker 4>Was some animated thing he was pitching. I think they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't work with him, because yeah, the first thing he'd

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<v Speaker 4>say is I'm sorry, what am I doing here?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't belong here?

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<v Speaker 2>Or just leave, leave and send an email.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't my meeting, wildy, It's good to see it,

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<v Speaker 1>good to see you.

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<v Speaker 4>Neither of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, that's the problem for acting. We fall into no

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<v Speaker 2>man's life.

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<v Speaker 3>You're supposed to be adults now, but yeah, you're still children.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm somewhere between twenty five and thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>I swear I'm a mom.

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<v Speaker 2>I swear when I'm in thirties.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>No, one buys it though. Look at that beautiful wood paneling.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are you, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, are we have we built like a barn in

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<v Speaker 4>our back for to have an office and to build it.

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<v Speaker 1>You were renovating when we were there the last time,

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<v Speaker 1>right started right.

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<v Speaker 4>Before COVID, Yeah, and stuff, and so my usual office.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know that meetings right raised in my closet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I was thinking this was.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe inappropriate to everybody looking at my clothes. I came

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<v Speaker 4>to the bar.

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<v Speaker 1>I love when you're in your closet.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all about. It'suickly. It's all bad, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get to Glee, we need to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>is it the number two show on Netflix currently?

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<v Speaker 4>It is? Globally?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir, it is, that's right. The Brother's Son. Yeah, congrats, thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I finished it in two days, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Excellent. It's designed to be finished quickly. It's designed for

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<v Speaker 4>Netflix to be binged.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good, very good.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what a stacked ass show and it has

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<v Speaker 2>how do you Jenn and I were just talking about

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<v Speaker 2>it because she's like, I don't know how to even

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<v Speaker 2>like describe the genre of show. Yes, because it has everything.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you describe it?

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, I guess you call it like an action

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<v Speaker 4>a comedy, gangs, family action comedy. My rule is always

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<v Speaker 4>and it always has been because at least the same

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<v Speaker 4>is whatever the tone it needs to be right now,

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<v Speaker 4>have it be that tone, and if it's true, you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to be able to put them all together, like

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<v Speaker 4>how people react the way they should react. So if

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<v Speaker 4>you need it to be funny and they react it's funny,

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<v Speaker 4>then then it'll work. As long as it's actually funny.

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<v Speaker 4>And if it's you want to get emotional, you can

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<v Speaker 4>get emotional. If you want to have just a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of fun action, you can do it. As long as

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<v Speaker 4>as long as it's it's sort of true to the moment,

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<v Speaker 4>then you can get away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>My brother doesn't text me about shit, and he text

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<v Speaker 2>me about the show and I was like, oh, Timmy's

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<v Speaker 2>watching brother son and they did it. Thank you reached

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<v Speaker 2>the straight right male audience in the forties. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, this is weird. I don't I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing text me about a show Brad worked on.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's an all Asian writers room, all Asian cast,

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<v Speaker 3>well mainly Asian cast. Like, that's so cool, thanks, and

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<v Speaker 3>it means so much to me personally. It means so much.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really special to see. And then it's reaching the

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<v Speaker 3>masses and reaching Timmy McHale, that's powerful, Like that's exciting,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the intention was to make something that everybody

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<v Speaker 4>could enjoy, but Asian people would be like, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 4>I see me, I see me. It's not Asian. We

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<v Speaker 4>can see like I see you now, I understand you.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the intention, and it only works. It's also

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<v Speaker 4>the Tim Michael's the world also love it because we

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<v Speaker 4>have to have lots of people for it for it

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<v Speaker 4>to be a real success. So the passion built in.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's got everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It's got a little bit of everything, and there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of action, a lot of really good fight scenes,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of really goory deaths, but like also a

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<v Speaker 3>family story, right, it's like the brother and a mother

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<v Speaker 3>and a crazy father and it's really really well done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really excited for you.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was sort of the same thing if we

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<v Speaker 4>look at it, you know, I know we're talking directly too.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that the best musical numbers on Glee were the

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<v Speaker 4>ones that had a story behind them where you something

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<v Speaker 4>about And so the action sequences in The Brother's Son

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<v Speaker 4>were always it's like, this has to tell the story

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<v Speaker 4>about the character in some way. This has to push

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<v Speaker 4>the plot forward in some way. It can't just be

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<v Speaker 4>let's do another number, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And so another fight sequence.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let's just say it be fun. We can do

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<v Speaker 4>the fighting. It's like, well, unless there's some emotional reason

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<v Speaker 4>to have this happen, you're not really going to care.

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<v Speaker 4>And so that was the that was always my approach

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<v Speaker 4>to that.

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<v Speaker 2>How was it working on a show with so much action?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we did we to be the most

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<v Speaker 2>we did it on Glee.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the same thing, right, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it looks quite different, So I guess from

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<v Speaker 2>your standpoint, it's the same.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because it's okay, we have on the script this

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<v Speaker 4>is what's going to happen. And then you go to

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<v Speaker 4>the professional so start coordinators with a choreographer saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>what's this really going to be?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Then you put the actors through it where they're rehearsing

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<v Speaker 4>and rehearsing and rehearsing, and then you go shoot it

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<v Speaker 4>knowing that it's going to be pieces and how long

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to take. I mean, the difference was obviously

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<v Speaker 4>with some of the Glee musical numbers. You're shooting in

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<v Speaker 4>the choir room, then you know, you have a much

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<v Speaker 4>more set space, and if you're shooting somewhere else, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and on a location, you're going to be a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit wilder and have a little more room to play.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's basically the exact same weight you know, approach

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<v Speaker 4>to shooting very very similar, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well that big fight scene with like the meeting

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<v Speaker 5>of all like the ghosts and everybody, that must have

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<v Speaker 5>taken a really long time.

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<v Speaker 4>Surprisingly, I think I think we shot that whole thing,

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<v Speaker 4>including the dialogue, in four days. We did. We did it.

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<v Speaker 4>We were shooting with a first and second there at

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<v Speaker 4>the same time, so something downstairs and something to the side,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was because it's the first season show, so

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't have the money to take two weeks to

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<v Speaker 4>shoot something like that, so totally and it was pretty

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<v Speaker 4>It was a pretty big achievement to Shore days with

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<v Speaker 4>the dialogue and you know when you're shooting around light

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<v Speaker 4>alone takes a day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, there's just a lot of people, you guys had.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like a big cast at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one thing we can do. It's a big cast.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of painting, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of painting, Like, oh, I know how to do this,

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<v Speaker 2>leave it to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, everybody go watch brother Son.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, it's really really fun and there's just something

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<v Speaker 3>for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I like and it's very easy to watch and

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<v Speaker 1>it flies by.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very proud of you.

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<v Speaker 2>You should be so proud. It's such a great show

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody loves it, like the most universally liked thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's just talk abugly for a little bit. Okay, just

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<v Speaker 5>a touch a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're ready.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm ready, I'm ready. Please, How can I help?

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, let me just say that is Brad's

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<v Speaker 2>like default setting, which I think people should know about you,

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<v Speaker 2>is that how can I help? Which you meet a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people in this business who don't do, not

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<v Speaker 2>think or talk like that. And Brad is always the

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<v Speaker 2>first one to say how can I help and means it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're wildly successful. You've been doing this for a

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<v Speaker 2>while now and you don't have to be that nice

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<v Speaker 2>and you always are and it's very much appreciated.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, and thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>The world should know. Brad would be the first one

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<v Speaker 1>that we would go to.

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<v Speaker 4>That's lots of thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true.

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<v Speaker 4>Does I think, I don't know? I think I think you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm always I always appreciate it. Put focus on process,

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<v Speaker 4>not results, So the results full comedy focus on process

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<v Speaker 4>and that processes how's everybody's experience of doing whatever we're doing?

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<v Speaker 4>M and so well, I think when you think about

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<v Speaker 4>things that way, it's like, yeah, helping everybody is the

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<v Speaker 4>way to get to making everybody you know, to results.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I don't know, And also like this is

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<v Speaker 4>an insane thing that we've all chosen to do right,

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<v Speaker 4>and so we have to support you. And also when

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<v Speaker 4>you become the old person, have a response to.

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<v Speaker 2>Her to lead. You're not there yet, You're not the

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<v Speaker 2>old person.

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<v Speaker 4>I will say in all the movies, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>old you know, the old sense who gets killed Like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm that I'm that kind of like that's no.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, you're not there yet. Try but

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<v Speaker 3>we like your wisdom. We will take your wisdom, We'll

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<v Speaker 3>take your kindness. Uh take us back. So you and

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan worked on niptok together.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well right, and then he hired me as a

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<v Speaker 4>staff writer is the lowest position on the writing staff.

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<v Speaker 2>So this show talked about it come up.

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<v Speaker 3>So then how the hell did you you guys do

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<v Speaker 3>Glee together and you guys were co writing and showrunner.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you just click? Like what happened?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I think I think it's I mean that we

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<v Speaker 4>we clicked creatively right away. You know, in a writer's room,

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<v Speaker 4>you're sort of all sitting around the table and everybody's pitching,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was a really strong writer's room, and it suck.

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<v Speaker 4>But I sort of gravitated to to sitting by Ryan,

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<v Speaker 4>and we just had a real creative connection. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think we were we were both I was obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, learning at that point. I mean, he was

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<v Speaker 4>a true mentor to me and and still remains that.

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<v Speaker 4>But but there was some way in which that we

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<v Speaker 4>compliment each other creatively that is I think really clear

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<v Speaker 4>to both of us, and also something where we also

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<v Speaker 4>were going to develop a real friendship because we compliment

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<v Speaker 4>each other personally, and that you guys know, like Ryan

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<v Speaker 4>and I couldn't be more different.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's you guys are like the odd couple, or

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<v Speaker 2>like you see people in a relationship, or you have

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<v Speaker 2>nothing in common but they work somehow. Yes, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand difference.

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<v Speaker 4>It's you know, I think we had a complete respect

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<v Speaker 4>for the way the other person was, and and a

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<v Speaker 4>and a and a delight in the way the other

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<v Speaker 4>person was right, and also an understanding that like there

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<v Speaker 4>were things that he m ways that he was that

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<v Speaker 4>I really needed to to really strengthen myself, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think he saw the same thing and me, there are

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<v Speaker 4>ways that I am that he really needs to strengthen himself.

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<v Speaker 4>And so we got we've developed this friendship. And also

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I love to sit and write, and Ryan

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<v Speaker 4>is an excellent writer. He doesn't love to sit and write.

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<v Speaker 4>So we created a pilot together called Pretty Handsome that

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<v Speaker 4>didn't go and uh, and then afterwards he was ready disappointed,

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<v Speaker 4>and I said, you know, I think there's something better.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a feeling that this is a reason why

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<v Speaker 4>this know is happening, so something better can come along.

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<v Speaker 4>And then Ian came in with Glee shortly after that.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't very long after that, and then and then

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<v Speaker 4>Ryan said, Hey, I met this guy and this is

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<v Speaker 4>thing and Fox kind of wants a musical thing. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>do this all together. You're gonna love Ian. And then

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<v Speaker 4>we met Ian, and I was Ian. Everyone knows it's

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<v Speaker 4>the most lovable, impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>And the three of you couldn't be more different, But.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the perfect middle between.

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<v Speaker 4>You two. He just is. He is one of the

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<v Speaker 4>most unique people I have ever met who is not

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<v Speaker 4>who is not unable to function in society like he

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<v Speaker 4>is highly functioning. And usually you get that unique and

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<v Speaker 4>it's somebody it's like they can't they can't put the

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<v Speaker 4>ants on. They certainly can't be kids and at home

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<v Speaker 4>and had these wildly successful uh A writer, but he

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<v Speaker 4>is that, he's like, he has the familion ability. And

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<v Speaker 4>so the three of us together had this quality uh

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of really enjoying each other as people and

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<v Speaker 4>also bringing very very different creative strengths to the show,

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<v Speaker 4>which we've talked about more about about Ryan sort of

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<v Speaker 4>having these really big, incredible ideas and Ian being able

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<v Speaker 4>to write the funniest stuff ever and preferring to dig

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<v Speaker 4>into no I without you know, I also wrote plenty

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<v Speaker 4>of other stuff like each other, but me trying to

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<v Speaker 4>dig him to more of the emotional stuff that I

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<v Speaker 4>like the best.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why I like working with Kevin. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>similar thing. It resonates. We are similar, but we are

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<v Speaker 3>very different. We work very differently. There are things he's

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<v Speaker 3>very good at that I could not care less about,

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<v Speaker 3>and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe we'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Do something as successful as you guys in the future,

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<v Speaker 3>to be the Ryan and Brad of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe I'm just manifesting that kebsolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that Brent said, how can I help.

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<v Speaker 4>Any time?

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<v Speaker 2>You know you've entered a pitch room. Actually, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>even recording a podcast. We're just gonna sit with.

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<v Speaker 1>You for a couple of times in the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>Jenna and I are very different, but Ian's more functioning

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<v Speaker 2>than I am in public. You know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a pretty.

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<v Speaker 5>Funny guy, very funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say so. Ian's original script was

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<v Speaker 2>very different from what Glee ended up being. And Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>talked to us about how he had sort of this

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<v Speaker 2>vision of what it could be when he came to

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<v Speaker 2>you with it, how far along and his mind, if

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<v Speaker 2>you remember, was that sort of reworking of the script

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<v Speaker 2>or was that something you guys did together, were like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a foundation of what we have of inspiration of

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<v Speaker 2>Ian's og thing, what can this be for network television?

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<v Speaker 4>I honestly don't remember. I know that I never ready

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<v Speaker 4>in screenplay because we were just I think there were

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think, I think that the Sandy Ryerson

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<v Speaker 4>character was in there in some way, but it was more.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh pronoun the wead dealer, right, it was much.

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<v Speaker 4>Darker pedophilia and yeah, I mean very Ian, Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>And I can't I know that that is the truth,

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<v Speaker 4>that Ryan had a vision for what this could be,

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<v Speaker 4>which was which which which relied at least on tone,

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<v Speaker 4>like he knew the tone of the show, right, And

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<v Speaker 4>so in terms of breaking the story, I just don't

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<v Speaker 4>remember specifically, but I would guess that I would guess,

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<v Speaker 4>knowing how we worked that by the time it came

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<v Speaker 4>in to write the pilot that Ryan had some some

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<v Speaker 4>some some pretty strong beats already in his head right

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<v Speaker 4>and then and I don't I don't know if he

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<v Speaker 4>if he had, he couldn't have had a vision for

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<v Speaker 4>the tone, tone of what the show actually became, because

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<v Speaker 4>so much of that came out in the writing and

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<v Speaker 4>this weird combination of us. But he always knew. He

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<v Speaker 4>always knew, like and at the beginning, someone needs to

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<v Speaker 4>know that's it, that's not it, And that was sort

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<v Speaker 4>of him. And he knew something that was too far

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<v Speaker 4>gone or something that was like in the mall park.

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<v Speaker 4>He just like this than this, and and we all

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<v Speaker 4>three got that pretty quickly. So it never didn't really

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<v Speaker 4>turn into it never really turned into something different, like

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<v Speaker 4>we were all we all ended up being the same page.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think Ryan was the original sort of north

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<v Speaker 4>Star to say it's it's sort of towards here because

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<v Speaker 4>there's so many there's so many different ways that could

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<v Speaker 4>have gone. I mean, any didn't want it to be

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<v Speaker 4>high school musically, didn't want it to be rock and

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<v Speaker 4>or high school. He didn't want it to be a

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<v Speaker 4>more familiar musical or more familiar high school show.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, right, We're all not those things.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, it's interesting because Ryan When Ryan came on,

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about him going from you guys, going from

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<v Speaker 3>Niptuck sic Glee to like running these empires essentially and

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<v Speaker 3>being showrunners with very little experience running one hundred you know,

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<v Speaker 3>guiding and managing hundreds of people.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious for you, like becoming a showrunner from being

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<v Speaker 1>hired as a staff writer. Like what that experience was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like for you, and like what what you've learned you know,

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<v Speaker 3>from Niptok all the way to like brother son, Well, Brian.

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<v Speaker 4>Is very I don't know if it precocious the right word.

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<v Speaker 4>He he he. He is somebody who, even at a

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<v Speaker 4>very young age, had a lot of skills that that

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<v Speaker 4>most people don't have. His ability to run shows he

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<v Speaker 4>sort of just had magically in a way as I

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<v Speaker 4>think I've had to learn it, and so I had

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<v Speaker 4>sort of a lot from him. My way of doing

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<v Speaker 4>it is a little bit different, like we are just

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<v Speaker 4>we're just, as I said, different personalities, so a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit different. But so much of what I know, everything

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<v Speaker 4>of what I know about how to make a TVV

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<v Speaker 4>show and run a TV show, I learned from him.

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<v Speaker 4>And He's the only real show and I've ever worked

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<v Speaker 4>for with So I think that I think that it's

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<v Speaker 4>obviously lots of failure and trial and error, and through

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<v Speaker 4>the American Horror Story and Glee and Posey, you learn

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<v Speaker 4>so many things by doing things wrong, and you learn

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<v Speaker 4>about yourself and about Again I said earlier, it's about

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<v Speaker 4>what's the process, and and the showrunner determines the tone

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<v Speaker 4>and the process. That's the show owner's job. It's like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is the show, this isn't the show, So this

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<v Speaker 4>is the tone and you have that in your head always,

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<v Speaker 4>And how is the how is this world that we

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<v Speaker 4>are creating of human beings working? How is that going

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<v Speaker 4>to feel to everybody? And so you know, I have,

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<v Speaker 4>while while learning how to do the technical things of it,

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<v Speaker 4>my my goal has always been I want to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that everybody leaves this process feeling like that was

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<v Speaker 4>one of the best experience they've ever had. And and

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's been you know, But that that happens by learning,

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<v Speaker 4>That happens by making sometimes making mistakes so that it

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<v Speaker 4>isn't And certainly there was lots of examples in Glee

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<v Speaker 4>of that happening.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, So I'm not I'm not I'm not a prodigy,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I think I'm a really good writer, and

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<v Speaker 6>I think I'm a very good, relatively good.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh leader, But I think I needed I needed time

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<v Speaker 4>to really to get the mistakes out and learn. And

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<v Speaker 4>so that's experience. Experiences everything, failures, everything failing, failing, failing,

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<v Speaker 4>and being in a space where it's safe enough to fail,

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<v Speaker 4>and being in a space we have people around you

0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.399
<v Speaker 4>that are letting you fail and supporting you when you're not.

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<v Speaker 4>And we had a lot of support from the network

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<v Speaker 4>and from each other, uh and you know, even from

0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:33.680
<v Speaker 4>all of you guys too, I think, and you really

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<v Speaker 4>were very forgiving of all of our mistakes.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, we were brand new too.

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<v Speaker 5>We were learning so much. You know, we were learning

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<v Speaker 5>so much. But you guys were great, you were fearless leaders.

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<v Speaker 5>And thanks.

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<v Speaker 4>We tried, and yeah, it was hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a normal TV show that runs normally and then

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<v Speaker 2>you created this brand that blew up all over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's like, well, I just like what is

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<v Speaker 2>that like? During Glee, like I was just I'm a writer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a writer. That's what I signed up for.

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<v Speaker 2>Created the show and now they're going on tour and

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<v Speaker 2>now they're they're on ritz cracker boxes and we're after

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<v Speaker 2>the Super Bowl. Like from your standpoint, like, what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on in your head during all of that, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>how does that feel?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this thing I created became this massive success, but also, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>now we're in the deep into something else.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, honestly, if I look back on it, I

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<v Speaker 4>I it was so much that I was so I think.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, by that point, by Temm creating Glee, I

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<v Speaker 4>was already that you know, We've been a few years

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<v Speaker 4>into Tucks, So I was an epn names. I directed

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of episodes of we were really producing that

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<v Speaker 4>show and a lot more responsibility. So I understood, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot about about running and about certainly I understood

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<v Speaker 4>a lot about producing and directing and writing TV. So

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<v Speaker 4>that part was pretty clear. But then you know, success

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<v Speaker 4>is you know, managing success is a is a separate

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<v Speaker 4>from any experience you have that's about you as a

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.840
<v Speaker 4>human being, right, And where are you? What place are

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<v Speaker 4>you in as a human being? Can Are you in

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<v Speaker 4>a place where you can be measured about what's happening?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you a place where you're going to be affected

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<v Speaker 4>by the what's coming in from the outside, world, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't. I think I struggled to be measured. I

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<v Speaker 4>think because I was just confused, like what's happening and

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<v Speaker 4>like you said, it's big, and what part of this

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<v Speaker 4>is me and taking credit to myself for this? Should

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<v Speaker 4>I feel better about myself about this? Should I demand

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<v Speaker 4>more for this? What? What? Why? Why does it feel

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<v Speaker 4>not feel good? Why does this feel better than this?

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's just a really confusing moment. I just

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<v Speaker 4>think I think success more than success, real success and

0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 4>real failure is a thing that brings out all of

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<v Speaker 4>your stuff. Who you are is determined by how you

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<v Speaker 4>behave in success and failure and so and so the

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<v Speaker 4>learning experience of what it meant to be that kind

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 4>of successful through Glee was really helpful to me to

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:19.399
<v Speaker 4>sort of be understanding who I am, what was important

0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:21.920
<v Speaker 4>to me with my values were because you get caught

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:25.200
<v Speaker 4>up in the values that aren't yours, about ego and

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:29.000
<v Speaker 4>money and power and influence and fame. It's like, those

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:32.600
<v Speaker 4>are those are not at my core, not my values.

0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:34.879
<v Speaker 4>But it's so hard not to be caring about that

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:39.080
<v Speaker 4>stuff when there's so much coming your way. So the

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 4>answer is it was chaos, and it was chaos. When

0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 4>all that was happening, You're also trying to make twenty

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 4>episodes of a show that's almost impossible to make at

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:51.120
<v Speaker 4>the same time, and there's three of us reading every episode,

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 4>and we're directing multiple episodes at the same time, and

0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:57.679
<v Speaker 4>Niptuck is still going on, and then American Hart Story starts.

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:00.399
<v Speaker 4>So it was it was chaos. It was with a

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.200
<v Speaker 4>marriage foling part at the same time, like really great stuff.

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 4>It was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't going to say that exactly, but I was

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 2>going to say, I don't understand how you guys wrote

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:17.680
<v Speaker 2>forty four episodes without anybody else, on top of managing

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:19.680
<v Speaker 2>the business of it all, on top of doing Niptok,

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.440
<v Speaker 2>on top of American Horror Story starting. It was hard

0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.680
<v Speaker 2>for us, and we we had a very like being

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:29.280
<v Speaker 2>an actor, it's pretty cut and drive, what your responsibility is?

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.640
<v Speaker 2>You on the other side of it, had a slew

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 2>of responsibilities all over the place, and we could barely

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 2>manage our personal lives. So I don't know how any

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>of you had any sort of life outside of just work.

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:49.159
<v Speaker 2>Like I just like they must be sleeping in their

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 2>offices because I don't know, like, what would you were juggling.

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.920
<v Speaker 4>We were fortunate to have each other, right, Like, like

0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 4>the three of us were really you know, not to

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.880
<v Speaker 4>be not to sound arrogant about it, were really really

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:05.880
<v Speaker 4>good at our jobs. Like we could break it down

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:10.919
<v Speaker 4>really quickly. Ryan was really fast at breaking episodes, and

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 4>he and I were really fast at writing, so we

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.400
<v Speaker 4>could you know, you know, we could do a lot.

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:20.440
<v Speaker 4>We can We can do an episode in a week

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:22.120
<v Speaker 4>that we had to be doing three days that we had,

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 4>So we didn't often do that, but we could. So

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 4>we were able to stay sort of on target because each

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 4>of us did what we had to do very well.

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 4>If you took any one of us out of that equation,

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 4>we would have been in trouble, which I've left in

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 4>and on our own, we would have been in trouble.

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 4>If you just run on his own, he would have

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.680
<v Speaker 4>been in trouble. If you take Anan out, I would

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 4>have really struggled and Ryan would have really struggled. So

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 4>so was that and then and where are the parties?

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 4>Like I would get up really early in the morning

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 4>and I would I would cook dinner with my daughter

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 4>for that night. So home we would then you know,

0:26:57.320 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 4>hang out and we have dinner made, and then I

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 4>bath at bedtime, and then after all that, I would

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 4>start writing for the night, and I'd stay up till whatever,

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 4>till eleven thirty or midnight writing and then you get

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 4>it up in the morning. You do the same thing again,

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 4>and you just find time different. I just found times

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:14.919
<v Speaker 4>at the time to do it, and because we were

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 4>pretty efficient at what we were working on, we could

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:20.359
<v Speaker 4>do it. And then you know, making sure not to

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 4>direct too many episodes so that I wasn't away from

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.400
<v Speaker 4>home and the kids too much, and having the kids

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 4>come to the set, which you guys remember around now.

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 2>You just are usual humans now.

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Make it work. Yeah, and adults, it's crazy. You guys

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 1>made it work. You have to make it work.

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 4>You don't, you know, don't hope and there's a problem.

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 4>But we none of us were people that thought it

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:49.119
<v Speaker 4>was appropriate to stay in a writer's room until nine pm.

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 4>It's just not what we did. Go have a life,

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.119
<v Speaker 4>go have dinner, or goat see your kids, all those things.

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 4>And we just all had to set shared that value.

0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:58.159
<v Speaker 4>It was like, no, let's get this done now, and

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 4>let's get it done in a smart way. So if

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.440
<v Speaker 4>we broke one story of a day. Let's not keep going.

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 4>We got it. We let's move on. And again, we

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:12.199
<v Speaker 4>were just really lucky to have each other and uh

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 4>and to understand the show, and then also to have

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:16.520
<v Speaker 4>you guys where we know you guys can pull it off.

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:18.640
<v Speaker 1>That's very nice.

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.959
<v Speaker 2>We most have been asses though we were because we

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:27.199
<v Speaker 2>were probably you're getting our text emails, We're like, what

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 2>is happening with this thing and that thing?

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 4>You know?

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it was funny.

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 4>No, I mean no, you guys, you guys were I know.

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't feel so silly now. It feels so dumb

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>to look back and be like, I don't have a

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 2>song this week. It's like, you guys are you families?

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:47.239
<v Speaker 4>But you know, but but you need all that, right,

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 4>you need attention that because because we're we're dealing with

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 4>casts and trying to stay ahead of the things and

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 4>we're not thinking of everything. And if and if Jenna

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 4>hasn't had a song in a few episodes, well that's

0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 4>wrong because not because we like Jenna went over the

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 4>that the audience wants to see Jana sing, so she

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 4>should remind us that because otherwise we're just gonna just

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 4>not roll Yet, you know what's spend that many episodes?

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 4>We don't, you know, it's not top of mind.

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>There's eighteen of us.

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 2>A lot of us.

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, multiplying, Yeah, it was you guys weren't paying that.

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 4>You two certainly weren't paying.

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 3>The Sometimes we have guest guest stars on and you know,

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:30.120
<v Speaker 3>some like Damien and Samuel and you know, all those

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 3>guys and we.

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Have to ask them like were we nice to you?

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 5>And and I'm like, oh, thank god, truly, because there

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 5>were some unhinged moments where you go, I could have

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 5>I really could have been an.

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 3>Asshole in that moment, and I don't know if I was,

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 3>And I'm so grateful I wasn't.

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 4>And you two were assholes to anybody who who would

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 4>you ever have been assholes to you?

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:53.479
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just your You get really comfortable with

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 3>your environment. That's a second home for you. Those people

0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 3>you see every day, they're seeing you at crying, they're

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:03.239
<v Speaker 3>seeing you and costumes painted face, it's just crazy. So

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.239
<v Speaker 3>you do get comfortable with them, and I think you

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 3>get sometimes you can get a little too comfortable.

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 2>They's like an emotional shorthand where you can with crew

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>members and things you can let your guard down. Fully. Yeah,

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>she probably wouldn't normally do in professional environments, but because

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>we were all together so often, so when someone new

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 2>comes around, you're like, I don't know if I know

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 2>how to be a normal functional professional.

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 3>You're detective of our family and our home. Right there's

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, you have like Andrew and Penny and you're like,

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 3>don't speak to them that way, or like you know,

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 3>you're like, I say something to Andrew that I didn't

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 3>mean because I was tired. You know, there's just things

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 3>that you think about and you're like, they keep me

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 3>up at nights sometimes because I'm like, I hope I

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 3>was a really good person to these people because they're

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 3>looking at it now hindsight, like not being on the

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 3>show anymore and having enough space and time to go like, wow,

0:30:55.600 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 3>look what we did, and look what they did being

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 3>away from their families. Like we didn't have kids at

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 3>the time, there wasn't our stakes were a little bit lower,

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 3>and you know, there wasn't as much you know, time

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 3>wasn't as precious to me, I think as it was

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.720
<v Speaker 3>to Andrew with a kid at home, so or were

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 3>you with a kid at home?

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>So there's it's it's it's different now.

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.479
<v Speaker 4>I just think you need to he needs to give yourself,

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 4>and it's yeah, I mean you're very young, and first

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 4>of all, I'm sure you didn't do anything the gregious

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 4>in anyway, but but it's it's it's like except the

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 4>whole thing for what it was and who you were

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 4>and how it led to you being who you are now.

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 4>And and definitely there mind somebody still holds a garage.

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 4>But that's you know, you got to forgive yourself.

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>There's not ours. Yeah, exactly, you're right there. He is

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>again just.

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Throwing the nuggets out. Maybe he is the old sense.

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>There was a point in season two where it felt

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 2>like some of our personal things started to end up

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 2>in some of the stories.

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not asking you to confirm or deny how

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 2>did that happen?

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, you know, like you know they

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 4>say that you know these psychics that have these you

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 4>know that you come to the theater and they say,

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm sensing you have and you and you find it.

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 4>Actually they bug the lobby. I want to talk to

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 4>my dead mom. They know we just you know, we

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 4>were on the set with you guys and we would

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 4>listen and you'd say something would say a light and

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 4>that like I'll steal that, or you about your personal

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 4>life and say that's there's something rich there that we

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 4>can play with. And so it was absolute theft. It

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 4>was just in this theft.

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I have to say it was funny

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 2>like during season two, every week some would open the

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>script and be like you'd hear it, no, like, oh shit,

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 2>it's that weak.

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 4>I think it's part of what we responded to the

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 4>show is there was something just so personal to everybody

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 4>a bout and then you guys would play whatever it

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 4>was with so much fun and with such a wink

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 4>like you never you never played it the way it

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 4>actually was happening to you in your life, and you've

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 4>got that there was something. We were doing a fun

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 4>version of that, and hopefully it helped process whatever was

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 4>going on. But we you know, we had to do

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 4>a lot of episodes that you've got to find story

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 4>ideas somewhere, and it's funny, that's something to us, and

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 4>we were on the set. We would run back to

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 4>the office. You're like, you're not going to believe this is.

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 1>That's how it happened.

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad it was that exciting because I would hope

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 2>it would be like that.

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>You guys, you listen to this ship or you'd.

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 4>Be writing and you know, Kemblo said something to me,

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 4>and I'll be writing an already scene and like, oh this,

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 4>this would be really funny if if it already says this,

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 4>because what Kevin just told me, it be fun.

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 2>But see, it's easy to imagine Ryan doing that because

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 2>he was like very obvious about it, where we'd be like,

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 2>look at Naya do this bit and then it would

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 2>end up in the show. But you're so like unassuming

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 2>and ian too that it's harder to imagine you two

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>doing it. It makes me feel better that you all

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 2>were doing it.

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it just wasn't. It wasn't. We weren't maybe weren't

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 4>doing it as gossip he or as you know, no

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 4>good at drawing it out. You were listening to what

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 4>felt like a good story, and we would never have

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 4>done anything to hurt you guys, or something was that

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.399
<v Speaker 4>was too personal that would have been difficult. Whether it's

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 4>super private, but if you're you know, he happened about

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 4>it on the set, sitting in the chairs like it's

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 4>fair game.

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fair that.

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 2>There was one day where.

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 4>There was.

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 2>A producer who worked on the show that wasn't one

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 2>of you three, and he came in. He told he's like, hey,

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 2>I heard this about this person at that person. I

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 2>was like, actually, no, that's not true at all, and

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 2>then alluded to like other people talking about I was like,

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, you guys, Jenna, is he trying to

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 2>stir shiit up just to see how we react?

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And I was like looking for truth.

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:32.839
<v Speaker 2>Never confirmed true, he was looking for things, but I

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 2>was like, is this how they're doing it? Is this

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 2>how they're finding things? I was like, No, we were

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 2>so loud and talking about everything all the time. You

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't need to be clever with us. We didn't know.

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.399
<v Speaker 4>No that weird to do that to try and stir

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 4>it up.

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, no, no, no, you were so we told you everything.

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 4>It was great. Yeah, it was. It was a really

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 4>really fun set in that way, like it really was,

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 4>and you know, eighty five percent of the time was

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 4>the most fun place to be. You know, yeah, problems,

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 4>but for for a for a it's either it's either

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 4>never fun because you're just doing work, or it's chaotic

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 4>or it's fun sometimes, but this was mostly all really

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 4>raw and free and easy and fun and then you know, uh,

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 4>and it's pretty good numbers, I think, considering whatever part

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:18.840
<v Speaker 4>of me shorking.

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's what people forget, and I think

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>people who listen to this, it's easy to remember all

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 2>the sort of more negative things that may have might

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 2>have come out afterwards, or eighty five percent of its joy. Yeah,

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 2>it was just a blast. And we were idiots and

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:41.720
<v Speaker 2>we were getting to be clowns and sing and dance

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 2>and wear wigs and mustaches like things you dream about

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:47.760
<v Speaker 2>when you were a little kid. Like we, you guys

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 2>felt like you could do anything on the show and

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.839
<v Speaker 2>it would work because then you would throw in some

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 2>really grounded, moving, heartfelt shit that really mattered, and the

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 2>rest of us are like do do do do do?

0:36:59.120 --> 0:36:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Look at us?

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 4>And you also fully committed to anything. Frony, if you

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 4>the Gaga episode, you're gonna send it to the Bully

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 4>all dressed as Gag and everybody is sort of nobody

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.359
<v Speaker 4>is feeling like in it, like my costume, I why

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 4>they have this? What I don't want it? It's like

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 4>everybody is, you know, is so true we're together.

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, and it was I.

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 4>Mean you ever sent us even two small numbers. That

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:24.839
<v Speaker 4>was a really fun time.

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:26.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 4>And everybody was really good to each other for the

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 4>most part, you know.

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, especially like somebody like Cory who across the

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 5>board on the show, on this podcast in particular, there's

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 5>always somebody that everybody has to say something about Corey

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 5>and how he went out of his way to bring

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 5>them into the group or make them feel included, or

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, was being a leader in some way. He

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 5>did it so quietly that we I don't think we

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 5>even realized what he was doing. But when you see

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 5>Corey and like red late text with like glitter.

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Around his eyes, like giving you the performance of his life,

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 3>You're like, I'm here, you know, like I got to

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:06.319
<v Speaker 3>do this too.

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. That's really that's true leadership. I mean, were you

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 4>really were all leaders there? You really were, some louder

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.320
<v Speaker 4>than others. But I do think the way that everybody

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 4>acted and encouraged everyone else to to to push themselves

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 4>and to have fun and all that. And before you

0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:31.839
<v Speaker 4>obviously he really he really was. I never would tell

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 4>you what to do. He was the kind of leader

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:37.959
<v Speaker 4>that you just knew were counting on energetically to to

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 4>sort of steer everybody in the right place and keep

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.360
<v Speaker 4>everybody in line in the right way, and always a

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 4>sense of humor. And you know, yes, I just I

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 4>don't think you can find anybody who worked on that

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.320
<v Speaker 4>show that didn't wouldn't pick him as as somebody who who.

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Was kind to him, you know, ye, yep, totally did.

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 2>You did you know he was doing that sort of

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 2>behind Like we just found out recently with you know,

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 2>like the newer cast members that came onto the show,

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 2>that he would take them out to lunch and check

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:08.839
<v Speaker 2>in with them and make sure they're okay, And we

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>had no idea.

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:14.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I can't remember. I can't remember if I knew.

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't think so, because he just wasn't

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:19.279
<v Speaker 4>He wasn't publicizing that. That wasn't no thing at all,

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:21.439
<v Speaker 4>and he wasn't coming us and say how can I help?

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 1>He just was doing it right, Yeah, that's right.

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 2>See, that's like someone like you said, were Sometimes people

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:29.879
<v Speaker 2>are just born with the gifts of how to lead

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.359
<v Speaker 2>or how to run things, And like there's someone right

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 2>there who ye purely oozed that at all at all?

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Times knew how to do that, and Jenna and I

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 2>were just like.

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 4>You guys were leading to in your own way. He

0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 4>just he took a different tact. But like what we're

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:51.760
<v Speaker 4>describing about how fun it was and how together everybody

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 4>felt and I committed, everyone was like you guys were

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 4>leading that, you know, very specifically leading that, and like

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:02.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, there was never a night that was too

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 4>late for either of you. There was never a slushy

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 4>that was one too many slushies for either of you.

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:07.120
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean?

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, well, well but then.

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 4>There was never there's never neither of you rolls your eyes.

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 4>Can we do one more? Take tims of one more?

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 4>You were just great, let's do it. You know, so

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:21.439
<v Speaker 4>leadership too.

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Thanks.

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:27.280
<v Speaker 2>How was that from the directing side? You obviously wrote

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 2>it from the very beginning, and you started directing from

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:34.839
<v Speaker 2>the very beginning. Does that perspective of getting to work

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 2>with the crew and on the set sort of then

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 2>inform what you're taking back to you know, the writers

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 2>room from there on out.

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 4>Certainly, because then you have a much more personal relationship

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 4>with you guys, and so you know where your strengths

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 4>are and where areas that maybe we could poke around

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 4>a little bit and where places where we could you know,

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:56.280
<v Speaker 4>this place is further to grow, and so really helps

0:40:56.280 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 4>a lot. There's nothing better than show running writing directly

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:04.359
<v Speaker 4>because then you're literally is nobody standing behind you saying

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 4>we'll try this instead of this like you're we're from

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 4>the moment of your imagination to the moment he gets

0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.839
<v Speaker 4>on the air. You've done all of that, right, So

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 4>that's the I would recommend anybody who can that. That's

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 4>the goal. Uh, you want to really have some artistic

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.560
<v Speaker 4>control working in television and film is being able to

0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:21.840
<v Speaker 4>do that?

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you love directing? Like you started out writing?

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:29.319
<v Speaker 2>How did directing come into it?

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 4>Ryan has always been great about breaking people as directors,

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 4>and we were on Nip Talk. He sort of asked

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 4>all the writers who wants to direct this season? And

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 4>he was season three and we all put our hands up,

0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 4>and so he just get shot and Mike rob and

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 4>Greuce Shepherd were there, and they were my problem was

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:46.279
<v Speaker 4>very very supportive of new directors, and he's a great

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.600
<v Speaker 4>director and sort of shepherding people and making sure they

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 4>don't fail. And so just started directing, and.

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, I think you did that with Matt too,

0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 3>you know we did with Matt and uh and I

0:41:58.760 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 3>think a few.

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:06.520
<v Speaker 4>Right now literally directed before. And so you either have

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:11.239
<v Speaker 4>the sort of skill to be able to communicate what

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 4>you're trying to do to accrue into a cast. And

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:15.719
<v Speaker 4>so if you can do that and you have some

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 4>vision that I think directing is is not that hard

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.400
<v Speaker 4>if the script is good. I mean, I love I

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 4>love directing. I do not like the physical strain of directing.

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 4>The hours days in a row. It's not I'm not

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 4>built for that. But the but the thing of the

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 4>scene that I wrote, and now we're sitting and rehearsing

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 4>it and we're coming up with how to do it

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 4>and then watching it and how to shoot it, that's

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:43.399
<v Speaker 4>really really fun. I probably couldn't do it for more

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:45.399
<v Speaker 4>than you know, an episode at a time here and there.

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot.

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 2>I really loved when you directed because you were someone

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 2>who I I'm like, I don't know how you how

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 2>you do this? You know, watching people work at that

0:42:56.600 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 2>level and all the different departments is really my boggling

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:03.359
<v Speaker 2>and humbling, Like everybody is so good at everything they're doing,

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and you were the only person I felt comfortable distracting, interrupting,

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and so like how how are you doing this? And

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 2>then you'd sit there with me and be like, well,

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 2>how would you set up this shot? Like how do

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.880
<v Speaker 2>we normally shoot weird in the auditorium? How would you

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:21.319
<v Speaker 2>do this? Like well you do the wide shot version,

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:23.719
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, and then like right, okay, there's a little

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>formula here. They're like, yeah, you know how we do this.

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 2>You could do this, But it wasn't until you know,

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.719
<v Speaker 2>people take the time to speak to you in that

0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 2>way to like work through like, oh, is this something

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in? Is this I'm starting to understand this

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>at a deeper level, which I think then helps us

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 2>as actors as well understanding your point of view as

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:47.279
<v Speaker 2>the director or the writer or the showrunner, producer, whatever

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 2>it may be. So it's nice to have someone in

0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 2>charge that takes the time to sit with a lowly

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>subject like me to you know, talk through those things,

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 2>because it also is just fascinating, like especially on Glee

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 2>where you see those sets, the scale of the thing

0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.919
<v Speaker 2>we're doing every day, and to be able to talk

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:09.440
<v Speaker 2>to people who are at you know, the pinnacle of

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're the best at what they do. Right,

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 2>and so to get to see that be around it

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 2>feel like creative energy even if we're doing silly shit.

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:23.319
<v Speaker 2>It takes a lot of expertise to do that, and

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 2>it was always very humbling to see that.

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:31.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean those guest directors, I bowed down to them

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 3>now because like you're in it from an action point

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:35.319
<v Speaker 3>of view, we know the formula, we knew how to

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.839
<v Speaker 3>do a musical number, like we could have directed those

0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:39.759
<v Speaker 3>all day and night. But I'm telling you, and you

0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:42.759
<v Speaker 3>come in for the first time to do Glee, that

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:44.160
<v Speaker 3>is scary shit.

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Like who knows how to shoot musical?

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 3>Now?

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 1>How do you make your days that period?

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Truly, it was like Beaker insults.

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 4>Yes, they were really good, because you make your days

0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:01.719
<v Speaker 4>by knowing what you need and by trusting yourself. Right,

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 4>where people can go off the rails is if they're like,

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if I have it yet, so I'm

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 4>going to do another one. I'm going to get another angle,

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:12.719
<v Speaker 4>because what if what if they don't have enough when

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 4>they get in the edit room, you just have to

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 4>know like I have it, I have it, and and

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 4>when I direct it's it's There are times when we'll

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 4>do one take of one angle and I say, I

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 4>have it. I'm going to keep shootings. I need to

0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 4>edit this all together. But what really needs to happen

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 4>in the scene is I need one reaction from Jenna

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:34.239
<v Speaker 4>saying this line one way and the scene will work.

0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:36.920
<v Speaker 4>And the rest is just it's just you know math,

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 4>and so you just have to know when that is

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:43.040
<v Speaker 4>and when the scene is really done, and then you

0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 4>and then you put the pieces together and then you

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:46.800
<v Speaker 4>can go. But that can be that could obviously be

0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 4>in one shot, that could be in twenty shots. But

0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 4>where the directors can really fall down is in being

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 4>if you're unsure of yourself, you're screwed.

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep, totally screwed.

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, Jin, here's a little Lee was a family, and

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:11.879
<v Speaker 3>then you met more family. You met your wife. Yeah,

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:13.280
<v Speaker 3>the coolest.

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 1>You're married to.

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:18.880
<v Speaker 3>Gwynn with Paltrow. Still I have to say her full name,

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 3>but she's so cool. You guys are just so cool together.

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 3>It makes sense to me, And like after meeting her

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:30.160
<v Speaker 3>and her coming on the set and being so awesome

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.880
<v Speaker 3>and us being like, oh, that's that was awesome.

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I hope she comes back again. I'm not going to

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 1>ask you to get into details of Mae like, but like.

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:43.480
<v Speaker 3>What was that like meeting her and and like having

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:47.640
<v Speaker 3>your journey, you know, and like ending of literally marrying.

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean when we I think what I think

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.200
<v Speaker 4>it was like meeting her was the same reason why

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:58.920
<v Speaker 4>many years later we ended up, you know, getting married,

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.120
<v Speaker 4>was that we just had a real you know. I

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 4>remember the first day we were shooting, and I think

0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:08.839
<v Speaker 4>she was being that marytime Lincoln thing, and it was

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 4>it was one of those one of those blessed Let's story.

0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 4>Chris baf is incredibly talented, deep, but sometimes could be

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:20.200
<v Speaker 4>a little bit slow. Yeah, And so it was just

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:22.839
<v Speaker 4>one of those nights and so we just we were

0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.279
<v Speaker 4>just and I think I can't remember. Ryan had to

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:27.000
<v Speaker 4>go somewhere and he was freighting, so I was I

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:29.279
<v Speaker 4>had to set that that that night, and we just

0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:31.759
<v Speaker 4>started talking and it was a real ease and we

0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 4>were just we just became friends. And so then every

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 4>time she would come back to shoot, we were excited

0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:40.040
<v Speaker 4>to see each other and say, hey, how you doing,

0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:48.000
<v Speaker 4>and and we just developed this really you know, comfortable friendship.

0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 4>Then sort of going on as the as the you know,

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:53.759
<v Speaker 4>when she wasn't there, we would just sort of send

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.200
<v Speaker 4>emails to each other, Hey, check this out or know

0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:57.600
<v Speaker 4>the things that people do.

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:00.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, and.

0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:04.520
<v Speaker 4>You know, we're both going through our own personal journeys

0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:08.360
<v Speaker 4>at home, right or what they were. And then and

0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:12.719
<v Speaker 4>then at some point we were both single and we

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 4>were already really good friends, and we were like, why

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:18.319
<v Speaker 4>don't we go on a date? You know, let's see

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 4>because everything we'd already talked about so much, we already

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 4>knew each other so well, and there was there was

0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:25.720
<v Speaker 4>never and be able to become friends like that without

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:29.360
<v Speaker 4>any of the you know, the trouble of you know,

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:33.400
<v Speaker 4>of any romantic entanglements, like two people who really like

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:34.800
<v Speaker 4>each other and are friends and now you're going on

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:37.560
<v Speaker 4>a date, and it just it just from there, it

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 4>was really clear. But we just, like I said, the

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:43.279
<v Speaker 4>reason why we're married is because we like each other

0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 4>so much as people, I mean, other things, but that's

0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:49.440
<v Speaker 4>that's the core of it. And so that was like

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 4>me and her was like I like this person a lot,

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:52.360
<v Speaker 4>and she's like I like this person a lot. This

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:54.959
<v Speaker 4>guy's cool, she's cool. Let's let's be friends.

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is.

0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.879
<v Speaker 2>You are two of the coolest people ever, very chill,

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.319
<v Speaker 2>and you like to together. You got Oh my god,

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Like going over to hang out with you guys is

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 2>just so.

0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Chill, so chill, wet, you know, a very chill environment.

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 4>Welcome, can come over, sit at the table, talk about everything.

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:16.960
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, teach me about passover, teaching me exactly about whatever

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 7>it may be. And you know, we just like to

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 7>to share ourselves with people we care about and to

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 7>bring really interesting people around and also to impart the

0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:29.879
<v Speaker 7>wisdom of multiple multiple failures and mistakes too.

0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 1>We can't well, you guys are both really good listeners.

0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 3>I think that's something I've learned about the both of you,

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 3>and so it makes for really a really good connection

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:45.279
<v Speaker 3>I think together, I'm sure.

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 1>But also like for us and for us to talk

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:52.400
<v Speaker 1>to you, like it's just like we feel very herd and.

0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:57.000
<v Speaker 5>Good for me at least, and like even you know, David,

0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 5>he's like, wow, I just like they're just really good people.

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 5>And I feel hard and I feel seen, and like,

0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 5>you know, there's all this hullabaloo above, you know, the

0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:07.239
<v Speaker 5>the industry and you guys and being who you are

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 5>that it's very grounded, like your your home is very grounded.

0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:14.759
<v Speaker 5>You guys are very grounded. So it's a testament to

0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:17.040
<v Speaker 5>like I think, why you guys pair so well together.

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:17.880
<v Speaker 4>Thanks?

0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 3>Thanks, Yeah, but it must be really special to have

0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 3>like meeting Gwynneth also on your baby Glee, like just

0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:29.040
<v Speaker 3>having all those really special moments kind of entangled together.

0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:32.839
<v Speaker 4>It's nice. It's nice. And and thank you for saying

0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:35.719
<v Speaker 4>that about us, because it really that's the that's what

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:38.279
<v Speaker 4>we're trying, and that's our intention and all of our

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 4>relationships and is that people really feel seen and heard

0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:47.040
<v Speaker 4>by us. And we're pretty fastidious about about, you know,

0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 4>making sure we're not spread too things so that we

0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 4>can just be with the people who really care about

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.520
<v Speaker 4>and people that really give all of ourselves too. And

0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:56.920
<v Speaker 4>so and I'm I mean, he said, imagine I get

0:50:56.960 --> 0:51:01.160
<v Speaker 4>to I get her listening to me, you know, hursing me.

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 4>So what I mean, she's yeah, how could I how

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 4>could I? How could I not be you know standing?

0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:08.400
<v Speaker 2>You nailed it. Yeah, proud of you. You did a

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:08.839
<v Speaker 2>great job.

0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:15.000
<v Speaker 4>I know, anything to show this that there I know, like,

0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:16.240
<v Speaker 4>you know, yeah.

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:23.800
<v Speaker 2>You crushed it. I think another like testament to people's

0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 2>character is how cool your kids are. And like your family,

0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:33.680
<v Speaker 2>those kids, the combined kids are all just so cool

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and very individual and unique. And also since they were

0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:41.759
<v Speaker 2>little it could sit with you and talk like they

0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 2>were adults. But also kids like just really well balanced.

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:48.480
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, when the kids come to set, you're like,

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:53.239
<v Speaker 1>how old are you? Yeah, how do you know that? No,

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:54.000
<v Speaker 1>they're really cool.

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:57.960
<v Speaker 4>We love this and like nothing better now, all you know,

0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:00.080
<v Speaker 4>we we each we each were able to gain me,

0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:03.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, two more kids in our lives. Uh, you know.

0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:06.640
<v Speaker 4>And being a step parent is his own special thing.

0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:09.560
<v Speaker 4>And to be able to really raise other kids will

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:12.760
<v Speaker 4>be part of raising other kids that that aren't yours

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:16.800
<v Speaker 4>but are yours is really incredible. And and and and

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:19.560
<v Speaker 4>all four kids rely on the two of us in

0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:22.200
<v Speaker 4>a very specific way. They have four parents they can

0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:25.200
<v Speaker 4>all rely on, and the way they come to us, right,

0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:28.160
<v Speaker 4>it's just we love it and we love them. We're

0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:31.440
<v Speaker 4>all sitting at the dinner table together and they're all

0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:32.960
<v Speaker 4>their own characters.

0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:35.319
<v Speaker 2>They're great.

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 6>Love that.

0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:37.719
<v Speaker 2>It was like last time we were with you guys,

0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and all the kids are maybe almost all the kids

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:41.920
<v Speaker 2>were there, and it was the first time we'd been

0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:45.320
<v Speaker 2>with like that many of them at once, and just

0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:48.280
<v Speaker 2>hearing them talk to us like this, is hilarious because

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:49.759
<v Speaker 2>also I've been a while since izing.

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:49.920
<v Speaker 4>Some of them.

0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:53.040
<v Speaker 2>It's like you guys in years. I mean, I know

0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:54.040
<v Speaker 2>what is happening.

0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:59.319
<v Speaker 4>It's insane. They're grown ups. I mean, all this year

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:01.239
<v Speaker 4>it'll all be out as will be empty nest.

0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no time I heard it. It seems crazy now

0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:27.319
<v Speaker 2>to look back now that we're these ages and think

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:30.279
<v Speaker 2>about how, yeah, you went from being a staff writer

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:35.480
<v Speaker 2>to creating this show with Ryan, and how many shows

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:36.280
<v Speaker 2>have you done together?

0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:40.320
<v Speaker 4>We did I don't care, so we worked on it together.

0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 4>That's his shows Pretty Handsome, which didn't go We did Glee,

0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:47.920
<v Speaker 4>We did an American Horror Story. We did American Heart

0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 4>Stories now, which is that sort of spin off. We

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:58.759
<v Speaker 4>did Politician, did Pose, We did screen Queens.

0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:02.399
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh uh. And I'm one and one long Start,

0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:06.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, A lot, a lot, my god.

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 4>Great.

0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm also currently watching Dahmer right now.

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:13.319
<v Speaker 4>Is great.

0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:17.279
<v Speaker 3>That's him and I him and Ian. Right you are

0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:19.560
<v Speaker 3>still there, you know, y'all are still there. And then

0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:22.160
<v Speaker 3>they had ahead in the freezer, and then your show

0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:23.920
<v Speaker 3>had ahead in the freezing. I was like, you're all,

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:25.840
<v Speaker 3>it's synergistic.

0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:27.360
<v Speaker 4>Here, you know, you go ahead some freezer.

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:32.200
<v Speaker 2>I love having it. Who's posting?

0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:32.440
<v Speaker 6>Was it?

0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:34.879
<v Speaker 2>Aaron was posting the head in the freezer? The makeup work?

0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, it was so great the show. It's awesome.

0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Must be so nice to like have all of our family,

0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:44.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, Gleam and I'm sure they work on and everything.

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:48.000
<v Speaker 4>That was awesome. It's always that's what's so wonderful about

0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:50.359
<v Speaker 4>working long enough, and you build these relationships to people

0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:52.359
<v Speaker 4>that you love working with and if you're lucky, they're

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 4>free to work right.

0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 6>You know.

0:54:55.480 --> 0:55:00.120
<v Speaker 3>Well, when I was shadowing Beaker on Horror Story, I

0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:02.960
<v Speaker 3>got to see Brad in his office. We were they

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.000
<v Speaker 3>were going over tone and they were having a little

0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.319
<v Speaker 3>tone meeting. And then like you had Penny and Ben

0:55:08.760 --> 0:55:13.120
<v Speaker 3>and Andrew and you're like, I mean, what's better, what's better?

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:16.040
<v Speaker 1>And then Beaker it's like watching him do his thing.

0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:16.799
<v Speaker 1>It's so cool.

0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:17.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, good people.

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:20.600
<v Speaker 2>So when I did Horror Stories and you have like

0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Buele was there, Like do you know I could just

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:29.480
<v Speaker 2>stay here forever? Yeah? It was great. And also I

0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:32.920
<v Speaker 2>think that's such a beautiful thing and says a lot

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:36.040
<v Speaker 2>about all of you that there's so little turnover in

0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.400
<v Speaker 2>that crew. People keep wanting to come back, you know,

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:41.160
<v Speaker 2>says processes.

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Everything focus on press, Yes has it?

0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:47.480
<v Speaker 2>How has it been? You're not out on your own?

0:55:47.600 --> 0:55:51.120
<v Speaker 2>You know you doing brothers son by yourself? How has

0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:51.360
<v Speaker 2>that been?

0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:58.640
<v Speaker 4>By It's it's it's harder, right because because you know,

0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:02.120
<v Speaker 4>when you have a team, especially like one that's done

0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:04.600
<v Speaker 4>so much, everybody can basically focus on what they do

0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:06.840
<v Speaker 4>well and not really worry about doing the stuff you

0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:09.439
<v Speaker 4>don't do well. And so when you're on your own something,

0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 4>you have to do all the stuff that you haven't

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:15.400
<v Speaker 4>the muscles you haven't exercised. But you know what I

0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:17.800
<v Speaker 4>love is feeble to take all the wisdom and knowledge

0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:20.319
<v Speaker 4>that I've gotten from working with all the great people

0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:23.120
<v Speaker 4>I've worked with and then say, Okay, now I know

0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:24.360
<v Speaker 4>all this stuff, how do I want to do it?

0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:24.600
<v Speaker 6>Like?

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.000
<v Speaker 4>How am I going to doerently? And how do I

0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:29.520
<v Speaker 4>want what's really my way? And what are the stories

0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:31.560
<v Speaker 4>that I really want to tell? And how do I

0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.200
<v Speaker 4>want to tell them? And you know, in any of

0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:38.279
<v Speaker 4>these partnerships, you're it's it's a great creative tension and compromise.

0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:40.680
<v Speaker 4>I really love this, I really love this, So let's

0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:42.880
<v Speaker 4>fight this too well let's find a compromise in there

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:44.600
<v Speaker 4>where you get to do you care more? So we

0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:46.879
<v Speaker 4>should do it that way. This is no no, I'm

0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:48.440
<v Speaker 4>just going to make my own choices, which is a

0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:51.600
<v Speaker 4>much bigger risk is what there's nobody telling you might

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:55.520
<v Speaker 4>be wrong, But it's a great reward of seeing the

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:57.879
<v Speaker 4>you know, seeing really seeing, you know, when I see

0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:00.080
<v Speaker 4>the Brothers so and I see a show that you know,

0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:03.560
<v Speaker 4>I wrote it with Fironhee who's you know, my who's

0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:05.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, sort of the Ian of this is coming

0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.080
<v Speaker 4>in a nowhere who's super talented the way Ian is.

0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:11.400
<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, this is an expression of

0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:15.800
<v Speaker 4>the show I want to make. So as people watch this,

0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:18.520
<v Speaker 4>I like to think they're seeing, Oh I kind of

0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:21.680
<v Speaker 4>see now when all of that soup, I sort of

0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:26.240
<v Speaker 4>see the flavor that's Brad really clearly, you know. So

0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:29.720
<v Speaker 4>that's been really great. But I've also had some fighting

0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:33.520
<v Speaker 4>to be you know, to you know, the things that

0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:36.720
<v Speaker 4>I saw Ryan do really well, like fighting for money

0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:41.480
<v Speaker 4>and for time and for things to be a certain

0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:44.320
<v Speaker 4>way and and and for sets to be right and

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:47.400
<v Speaker 4>not this. But that, like all of those things, I

0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:49.880
<v Speaker 4>was able to say, well, can I do that I've

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:51.560
<v Speaker 4>never done that before, but I can't. I just do

0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:54.680
<v Speaker 4>it differently, you know, I'll just do it. I do

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:58.280
<v Speaker 4>it my way. And so it's been really fun to

0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:03.000
<v Speaker 4>build that world. That's that's all sort of you know,

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:03.600
<v Speaker 4>my mind.

0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:07.480
<v Speaker 1>I see it. I see it, and I hear your voice,

0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:09.840
<v Speaker 1>and I see it and I see that it really does.

0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:11.800
<v Speaker 1>It emanates you, and I love that.

0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:14.640
<v Speaker 4>Thank you, thank you. I'm very proud of it, and

0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:18.560
<v Speaker 4>I hope to having more opportunities to do that.

0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:20.960
<v Speaker 1>We have some fan questions we're going to do, like

0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:22.320
<v Speaker 1>one or two. I think you'll like them.

0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 4>These are fan questions that they write in and tell

0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:25.840
<v Speaker 4>you they want to Yeah, yeah, we wrote it.

0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:27.160
<v Speaker 1>We said we were having you on the show, and

0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:29.160
<v Speaker 1>they wrote it and they asked you questions were like, oh.

0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:31.080
<v Speaker 4>This will be the lowest rated Glee podcast.

0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:36.360
<v Speaker 3>No, oh my god, stop are you kidding? We got

0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:41.360
<v Speaker 3>Brad drama. Fiends wants to know which Bruce Springsteen songs

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<v Speaker 3>do you think the show should have done.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, personally, don't always get on. It's just it's

0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:54.080
<v Speaker 4>not exactly the match. Because the thing about Springs songs

0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:56.040
<v Speaker 4>that are the best is there's just there's a longing

0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:59.920
<v Speaker 4>in them and sometimes glease some really much more lie.

0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:05.720
<v Speaker 4>But we did. We did uh Glory Days right for

0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:10.000
<v Speaker 4>the graduation. Season three was just fun and did no

0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 4>surrender in the Quarterback episode, which I really fought hard for.

0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:14.680
<v Speaker 4>Everyone else was like, do we need to do this?

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:18.080
<v Speaker 4>It's like give me one here. I never give me

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:20.320
<v Speaker 4>one here. I need to sit here for my own

0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:24.480
<v Speaker 4>reef processing it. So we put that in there. So

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<v Speaker 4>I think we're I think we're good. I think we

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<v Speaker 4>did it. I think we did it. These built at

0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:32.600
<v Speaker 4>these not you know, Bruce is obviously my life, and

0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:36.400
<v Speaker 4>so it's not it's not they're not really built for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough.

0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought of you the other day watching the Golden

0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Globes and Jorgo's Lantham motes one for Poor Things and

0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Bruce rings He was sitting next to the stage and

0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:48.919
<v Speaker 2>all he could do was talk to Bruce Ringsteen because

0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:51.920
<v Speaker 2>he was fanning out. I was like, it's prett prep.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what that guy. I mean anything I do is

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<v Speaker 4>that guy. That guy, he's mine.

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<v Speaker 2>He's good storyteller, he is something else. Yes, this is

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<v Speaker 2>something that people keep asking us, and do you know

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<v Speaker 2>or how we could there's unreleased songs. There's songs that

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<v Speaker 2>never came out that we recorded. Sometimes they were shot.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we leak those and not get sued?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean there's something that probably probably can talk

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<v Speaker 4>to Ryan about in terms of, you know, whether or

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<v Speaker 4>not with the streaming platform there's a way to put

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<v Speaker 4>together like with the Glee you know, when you go

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<v Speaker 4>on Glee on Hulu, whether or not there's a way

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<v Speaker 4>to have that be an extra or something. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>If there's the problem is you'd have to like if

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<v Speaker 4>that sand's going on there, people are already get paid,

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<v Speaker 4>right and so everybody. Yeah, so it's not a free thing.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't just sort of put them out.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just thid if there was a reboot, then

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<v Speaker 1>maybe if there was, Okay, how do you feel about that, Brad,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you feel I want to reboot?

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<v Speaker 4>I feel that someone else asked me this earlier, and

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<v Speaker 4>something when I was staying publicity for own for the

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<v Speaker 4>son is that if there was a if there was,

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<v Speaker 4>if we can make it good, like there was a

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<v Speaker 4>reason to do it, If there was some reason why

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<v Speaker 4>the Glee world was needed at this time to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about something, I would get it. But I don't quite

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<v Speaker 4>know what that is yet. I don't say impossible, but

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<v Speaker 4>it would need to be the Glee. Glease is the

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<v Speaker 4>reason why Glee was successful. Besides you guys and the

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<v Speaker 4>music and the storytelling, it was that it was a

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<v Speaker 4>time that needed Glee. It was a transition time in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of how other people were talking about and talking

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<v Speaker 4>about diversity and talking about uh, gender and sexuality and

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<v Speaker 4>all these things, and so in that sort of in

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<v Speaker 4>between world, there was a space for us to have

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<v Speaker 4>some fun with it. I don't know where we are

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<v Speaker 4>with that right now, right, I don't know how you

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<v Speaker 4>how you so much about Glee was about these underdogs

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<v Speaker 4>and and and and I don't know if if TV

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<v Speaker 4>underdogs like the TV underdogs inn't really.

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<v Speaker 2>Exist mm hmmm, you know, right, yeah, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>just looks different because there's always there's always underdogs.

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<v Speaker 4>There's always have to find who are they? Who are they?

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to reform? What are we trying to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? What are we trying to say? That's really it?

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<v Speaker 2>And do they sing? More importantly, I got it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's hard that you can sing.

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<v Speaker 2>Not all of us could. So it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a good one. Amy read gull. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to say it.

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<v Speaker 3>She says, do you visualize or did you visualize the

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<v Speaker 3>ending of thee at the beginning of the show. Did

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<v Speaker 3>you have an idea the way it was going to end?

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<v Speaker 2>And did that?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it changed if you did.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, uh right, says he did. I certainly didn't. Certainly

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<v Speaker 4>if I did, you know, what happened with Corey would

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<v Speaker 4>have really changed that, like, would have been a big

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<v Speaker 4>part of whatever that was. So I was really just

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get to the next episode. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>seasons I thought I didn't think about at least the

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<v Speaker 4>first three seasons. I thought about where they were ending, definitely,

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<v Speaker 4>but the series who knows no that I didn't? Ryan

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<v Speaker 4>says he didn't. I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember there was one, Oh it was one Nationals.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was the first Nationals, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>talking to you about and like, do we win? I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>where do you go from there? Jenna? You can't win?

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you go from there? I was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>I always thought about Rocky Rocky one, two, three, right,

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<v Speaker 4>it was lose first, the new and second right.

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<v Speaker 2>This makes a lot of sense. Bringing Rocky there you

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<v Speaker 2>go story.

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<v Speaker 4>Clearly this was the stray dude in the room with

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<v Speaker 4>this cash.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there a character you liked writing for the most.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I loved all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody is in the moment, like every scene was generally

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<v Speaker 4>so fun. That and and because we could have you

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<v Speaker 4>guys do so much of anything and everybody. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I love writing everybody, definitely. I mean I

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<v Speaker 4>wrote soon, probably a couple a few times in the

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<v Speaker 4>first season and then and then I deferred, but I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't have a favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question. This wasn't a fan question. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>should have said it was, as we're watching the show,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to you want to go back? And oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a fan question. Why did you have no friends?

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<v Speaker 2>Accept the kids in the glee club because it's creepy. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>he asked a team to be his best man. Sir,

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<v Speaker 2>you have no friends your own.

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<v Speaker 4>At first, it was because his terry would never let

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<v Speaker 4>him have friends. If he had a friend, friend would

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<v Speaker 4>have said to him, why are you with this person?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>He sure he never had any friends, So at first

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<v Speaker 4>it was that, and you know, it was hard. It's

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<v Speaker 4>hard to him make friends and ohio there. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>he I guess he had aga fellas with with what's

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<v Speaker 4>his name, coach Tanaka, and but I think I think

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<v Speaker 4>it was initially initially we just obviously worked and it

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<v Speaker 4>didn't want to have a lot of stories and will

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<v Speaker 4>out with friends like that's boring. But I would say that,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll say the reason was just because his wife didn't

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<v Speaker 4>let him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fair.

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<v Speaker 4>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I never really thought about it until he turns to

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<v Speaker 2>Finn and it's like, will you be my best Man's

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<v Speaker 2>like like mister shoe Pam, there's nobody else, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the glee clubs, you're my best friends. I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you should be saying we're.

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<v Speaker 5>Like in his house, and I'm like, back in that day,

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<v Speaker 5>I guess that that might have been okay if it

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<v Speaker 5>was a group setting, but like these days.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't be in a professor's house.

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<v Speaker 2>A teacher's house was a strong word for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry teacher.

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<v Speaker 4>My favorite is like nine or something at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>He's so young, so he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like the same. Yeah, he was like the same.

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<v Speaker 3>We just care Corey, I think, but I thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was funny that Matt couldn't like or mister shoe like couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Really speak Spanish, but he was a Spanish teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's funny. It is funny.

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<v Speaker 4>That was our That was our you know commentary on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's this question was why was cheating always used?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only way to split up a couple? Yes, yeh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Always that was the thing, and that was just good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like babies and breakups. He loves how many many breakups?

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<v Speaker 4>That's all.

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<v Speaker 1>We asked all of our people. What is the feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that Glee leaves you with?

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<v Speaker 4>You mean, I mean the show or like our experience

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<v Speaker 4>doing Glee? What's the feeling? Yes, it's as you said,

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<v Speaker 4>it feels like family. To me, it just feels like

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<v Speaker 4>like like we went through something together that was so

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<v Speaker 4>extraordinary and so bonding and wonderfully complicated and wonderfully simple.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, the warmth I feel when I see

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<v Speaker 4>your guys faces, it just reminds me of a time

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<v Speaker 4>of life and of an experience that we had that

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<v Speaker 4>that I feel incredibly proud of and positive about. And

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that you know, new generations of people are

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<v Speaker 4>now you know, keep enjoying the show and it sort

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<v Speaker 4>of lives on in that way. It just makes me

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<v Speaker 4>feel proud as a legacy thing that we did something

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<v Speaker 4>that meant a lot to people and what it meant

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<v Speaker 4>to us doing it is. Is it even a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit more special like it was?

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<v Speaker 3>It was?

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<v Speaker 6>It was?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was a family and all it's ups and

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<v Speaker 4>downs and almost mostly ups. So family, that's the feeling.

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<v Speaker 4>What are yours?

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<v Speaker 1>That is a good question, Kevin, What is your feeling?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh damn, I can't steal family, now, can I?

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<v Speaker 4>You're allowed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just it doesn't believe very much because you're the

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<v Speaker 2>first person that you've As you said, I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how I feel where family just encompasses all of it,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't it, Because you have your ups and your downs.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, you've all shared this

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<v Speaker 2>same experience and therefore you have that much deeper and

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<v Speaker 2>foundational relationship with one another that you won't have with

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<v Speaker 2>other people in this specific way, and that feels like

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<v Speaker 2>family and I'm very very grateful for it.

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<v Speaker 6>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we had such a great time together, and I

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<v Speaker 2>also just remember how much fun it really was. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we had so much fun. Yeah, and I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>lucky is the other word, Like I just felt lucky,

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<v Speaker 2>like every day driving through those gates at Paramount and

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning I always remember the beginning of seasons

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<v Speaker 2>of like showing up like this is where I get

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<v Speaker 2>to go, this is what I get to do, And

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<v Speaker 2>this few moments where I was present and could remember

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<v Speaker 2>that I just felt very, very very lucky to get

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<v Speaker 2>to be on a show that I liked and was

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<v Speaker 2>proud of as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, shitty Paramount. It was a big, big get too,

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<v Speaker 4>because it was such a great.

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<v Speaker 2>Place to be, so magical, the most powerful.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think also, as you said, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Ben jams of family, Like I would say, there's nobody

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<v Speaker 4>if you you know, Ryan, Ian and I and the

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<v Speaker 4>whole cast is if anybody were to call anybody and

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<v Speaker 4>say I need you right now, everybody, Okay, what do

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<v Speaker 4>you need? Yeah? Total years like that's that's I think

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<v Speaker 4>what I take from it is that there is some

1:10:00.280 --> 1:10:03.800
<v Speaker 4>that's almost unconscious there. It's never a no.

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<v Speaker 1>For anybody, totally totally yep.

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<v Speaker 3>I think my word would be formative, emotional, formative, moved,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I think really influenced who I am today,

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<v Speaker 3>how I see the world, how I see my my career,

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<v Speaker 3>how I see my own like it really informed my

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<v Speaker 3>own self love and worth and the work that I

1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:39.160
<v Speaker 3>did and so but I also just like pure joy,

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<v Speaker 3>like we had so many good memories and like to

1:10:42.600 --> 1:10:46.360
<v Speaker 3>rewatch it. Now, I think my my some of like

1:10:46.439 --> 1:10:50.240
<v Speaker 3>my subconscious stuck onto some of the sticky sickyer stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>which was very minimal, but like to rewatch it has

1:10:53.439 --> 1:10:58.120
<v Speaker 3>been so therapeutic and cathartic for me to like go

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<v Speaker 3>back and be like, oh shit, that was awesome, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I really look back and I go like, I wish

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<v Speaker 3>I could do that again, Like I wish we could

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<v Speaker 3>do regionals just.

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<v Speaker 1>One more time.

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<v Speaker 3>Like as much as we like groaned about those long days,

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<v Speaker 3>like how cool was that?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's very special? Yeah, well said, well okay, now

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<v Speaker 1>I really do think that our time is coming to you.

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<v Speaker 4>We had to get over and hour here we did.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for spending so much time with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Anything, and that's what anything for you guys, really whatever

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<v Speaker 4>you need and love you are you love you to you, guys.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a pretty cool thing. And I think that

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<v Speaker 4>was very popular and doing a really cool thing here.

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<v Speaker 2>So thanks well, thanks to you know you and Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>and Ian for supporting it and coming on. That means

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. Yeah, well congrats, congrats everyone go watch About

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<v Speaker 2>the Sun. If you haven't, go watch it.

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<v Speaker 4>You might like yet I think I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just imagine the musical numbers where the fighting is exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that we know how it's made, it's really good.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Chris, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Brad, You're the best, the best, Brad fiul check everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what's crazy?

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<v Speaker 4>What is that?

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<v Speaker 2>We've had a lot of emotional and depth talks about

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<v Speaker 2>the show and people's experiences in it and with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and Brad through all of that, even when things do

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<v Speaker 2>get tough, he's always such a calming presence, very positive, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and can acknowledge all of that stuff while still being like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and what are we what is the spin of this?

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<v Speaker 2>How do we get through this? Let's talk openly about

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<v Speaker 2>all of it, but nobody get crazy or emotional like

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<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, but I'm just.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy to see he's like he's never changed, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>not that any of them have, but like he's really

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<v Speaker 3>his core values, his core self like has always been this.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, we're thank you, Brad for coming and hanging

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<v Speaker 3>out with us. We're really so grateful for your time

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<v Speaker 3>and for sharing all of those fun tipbits with us.

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<v Speaker 3>And everybody, go watch Brother's Son. It's really fun. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a great story. It's not just a bunch of action

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<v Speaker 3>like there's a really good story as well, and the

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<v Speaker 3>characters you really love.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's super fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Check it out.

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