Speaker 1: And That's What You Really Missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome to and That's What You Really miss Podcast. A
Speaker 3: very special special special guest Santa.
Speaker 1: Who do we have, Kevin?
Speaker 2: We have Brad Foulchuck, one of the creators and writers
Speaker 2: of Glee. He birthed us. Without him, who would we be?
Speaker 2: We'd be nothing nothing. He has remained a constant friend,
Speaker 2: source of stability. He's a wonderful human being and also
Speaker 2: wildly talented. Wildly talented. He has a new show on
Speaker 2: Netflix called Brother's Son. You should go watch it. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk about it. He's just very, very good
Speaker 2: and a very good person and so lucky that we
Speaker 2: got to work with him for so long and still
Speaker 2: can call him a friend. So here is Brad Faultchuck.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even have an alias. He just comes on
Speaker 1: as Brad felt Chuck.
Speaker 2: Why would you have an alias?
Speaker 1: Because he's famous.
Speaker 2: I Jenna thinks you should have a zoom alias.
Speaker 3: While you know, people come in and they were like,
Speaker 3: you know, they picked like Harry Potter or something.
Speaker 2: Who are you zooming with?
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, some people come in with
Speaker 1: weird names.
Speaker 4: We travel. I've an alias, but not on zoom. On zoom,
Speaker 4: I assume they know who like they like.
Speaker 2: Somebody sent me the link to get on the zoom.
Speaker 1: Okay, enough, I went to the zoom.
Speaker 4: It was executives and stuff and a couple of writers
Speaker 4: and there was a bunch of people in the meeting,
Speaker 4: and about a third of the way in, somebody from
Speaker 4: their side was sort of texting our sides saying, who's
Speaker 4: the guy in the corner, and we're like, I have
Speaker 4: nobous with you, and he goes a dude, know that
Speaker 4: a meeting with those executives like the next day, but
Speaker 4: somehow it got in the link and got into the
Speaker 4: meeting and then just figured, I guess it's just stay,
Speaker 4: So just stay. I was like, excuse me, you, I
Speaker 4: think you should leave.
Speaker 2: I want to know how that meeting went the next day, like, hey, it.
Speaker 4: Was some animated thing he was pitching. I think they
Speaker 4: didn't work with him, because yeah, the first thing he'd
Speaker 4: say is I'm sorry, what am I doing here?
Speaker 1: I don't belong here?
Speaker 2: Or just leave, leave and send an email.
Speaker 1: This isn't my meeting, wildy, It's good to see it,
Speaker 1: good to see you.
Speaker 4: Neither of you.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's the problem for acting. We fall into no
Speaker 2: man's life.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be adults now, but yeah, you're still children.
Speaker 2: I'm somewhere between twenty five and thirty five.
Speaker 1: I swear I'm a mom.
Speaker 2: I swear when I'm in thirties.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: No, one buys it though. Look at that beautiful wood paneling.
Speaker 2: Where are you, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, are we have we built like a barn in
Speaker 4: our back for to have an office and to build it.
Speaker 1: You were renovating when we were there the last time,
Speaker 1: right started right.
Speaker 4: Before COVID, Yeah, and stuff, and so my usual office.
Speaker 4: I don't know that meetings right raised in my closet.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was thinking this was.
Speaker 4: Maybe inappropriate to everybody looking at my clothes. I came
Speaker 4: to the bar.
Speaker 1: I love when you're in your closet.
Speaker 4: That's all about. It'suickly. It's all bad, isn't it.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Before we get to Glee, we need to talk about
Speaker 2: is it the number two show on Netflix currently?
Speaker 4: It is? Globally?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, it is, that's right. The Brother's Son. Yeah, congrats, thanks.
Speaker 1: I mean I finished it in two days, thank you.
Speaker 4: Excellent. It's designed to be finished quickly. It's designed for
Speaker 4: Netflix to be binged.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good.
Speaker 2: I mean, what a stacked ass show and it has
Speaker 2: how do you Jenn and I were just talking about
Speaker 2: it because she's like, I don't know how to even
Speaker 2: like describe the genre of show. Yes, because it has everything.
Speaker 2: How do you describe it?
Speaker 4: It's like, I guess you call it like an action
Speaker 4: a comedy, gangs, family action comedy. My rule is always
Speaker 4: and it always has been because at least the same
Speaker 4: is whatever the tone it needs to be right now,
Speaker 4: have it be that tone, and if it's true, you're
Speaker 4: going to be able to put them all together, like
Speaker 4: how people react the way they should react. So if
Speaker 4: you need it to be funny and they react it's funny,
Speaker 4: then then it'll work. As long as it's actually funny.
Speaker 4: And if it's you want to get emotional, you can
Speaker 4: get emotional. If you want to have just a lot
Speaker 4: of fun action, you can do it. As long as
Speaker 4: as long as it's it's sort of true to the moment,
Speaker 4: then you can get away with it.
Speaker 2: My brother doesn't text me about shit, and he text
Speaker 2: me about the show and I was like, oh, Timmy's
Speaker 2: watching brother son and they did it. Thank you reached
Speaker 2: the straight right male audience in the forties. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was like, this is weird. I don't I'm like, what
Speaker 2: are you doing text me about a show Brad worked on.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But it's an all Asian writers room, all Asian cast,
Speaker 3: well mainly Asian cast. Like, that's so cool, thanks, and
Speaker 3: it means so much to me personally. It means so much.
Speaker 3: It's really special to see. And then it's reaching the
Speaker 3: masses and reaching Timmy McHale, that's powerful, Like that's exciting,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: That was the intention was to make something that everybody
Speaker 4: could enjoy, but Asian people would be like, my goodness,
Speaker 4: I see me, I see me. It's not Asian. We
Speaker 4: can see like I see you now, I understand you.
Speaker 4: That was the intention, and it only works. It's also
Speaker 4: the Tim Michael's the world also love it because we
Speaker 4: have to have lots of people for it for it
Speaker 4: to be a real success. So the passion built in.
Speaker 1: Well, it's got everything.
Speaker 3: It's got a little bit of everything, and there's a
Speaker 3: lot of action, a lot of really good fight scenes,
Speaker 3: a lot of really goory deaths, but like also a
Speaker 3: family story, right, it's like the brother and a mother
Speaker 3: and a crazy father and it's really really well done.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for you.
Speaker 4: And that was sort of the same thing if we
Speaker 4: look at it, you know, I know we're talking directly too.
Speaker 4: Is that the best musical numbers on Glee were the
Speaker 4: ones that had a story behind them where you something
Speaker 4: about And so the action sequences in The Brother's Son
Speaker 4: were always it's like, this has to tell the story
Speaker 4: about the character in some way. This has to push
Speaker 4: the plot forward in some way. It can't just be
Speaker 4: let's do another number, you know.
Speaker 1: And so another fight sequence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's just say it be fun. We can do
Speaker 4: the fighting. It's like, well, unless there's some emotional reason
Speaker 4: to have this happen, you're not really going to care.
Speaker 4: And so that was the that was always my approach
Speaker 4: to that.
Speaker 2: How was it working on a show with so much action?
Speaker 2: I feel like we did we to be the most
Speaker 2: we did it on Glee.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean it looks quite different, So I guess from
Speaker 2: your standpoint, it's the same.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's okay, we have on the script this
Speaker 4: is what's going to happen. And then you go to
Speaker 4: the professional so start coordinators with a choreographer saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: what's this really going to be?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Then you put the actors through it where they're rehearsing
Speaker 4: and rehearsing and rehearsing, and then you go shoot it
Speaker 4: knowing that it's going to be pieces and how long
Speaker 4: it's going to take. I mean, the difference was obviously
Speaker 4: with some of the Glee musical numbers. You're shooting in
Speaker 4: the choir room, then you know, you have a much
Speaker 4: more set space, and if you're shooting somewhere else, you know,
Speaker 4: and on a location, you're going to be a little
Speaker 4: bit wilder and have a little more room to play.
Speaker 4: But it's basically the exact same weight you know, approach
Speaker 4: to shooting very very similar, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that big fight scene with like the meeting
Speaker 5: of all like the ghosts and everybody, that must have
Speaker 5: taken a really long time.
Speaker 4: Surprisingly, I think I think we shot that whole thing,
Speaker 4: including the dialogue, in four days. We did. We did it.
Speaker 4: We were shooting with a first and second there at
Speaker 4: the same time, so something downstairs and something to the side,
Speaker 4: and it was because it's the first season show, so
Speaker 4: we didn't have the money to take two weeks to
Speaker 4: shoot something like that, so totally and it was pretty
Speaker 4: It was a pretty big achievement to Shore days with
Speaker 4: the dialogue and you know when you're shooting around light
Speaker 4: alone takes a day.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, there's just a lot of people, you guys had.
Speaker 5: It's like a big cast at that point.
Speaker 2: There's one thing we can do. It's a big cast.
Speaker 1: A lot of painting, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of painting, Like, oh, I know how to do this,
Speaker 2: leave it to me.
Speaker 1: Well, everybody go watch brother Son.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's really really fun and there's just something
Speaker 3: for everybody.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I like and it's very easy to watch and
Speaker 1: it flies by.
Speaker 4: It's very proud of you.
Speaker 2: You should be so proud. It's such a great show
Speaker 2: and everybody loves it, like the most universally liked thing.
Speaker 4: I'll take it.
Speaker 5: Let's just talk abugly for a little bit. Okay, just
Speaker 5: a touch a little bit.
Speaker 2: If you're ready.
Speaker 4: I'm ready, I'm ready. Please, How can I help?
Speaker 2: First of all, let me just say that is Brad's
Speaker 2: like default setting, which I think people should know about you,
Speaker 2: is that how can I help? Which you meet a
Speaker 2: lot of people in this business who don't do, not
Speaker 2: think or talk like that. And Brad is always the
Speaker 2: first one to say how can I help and means it.
Speaker 2: And you're wildly successful. You've been doing this for a
Speaker 2: while now and you don't have to be that nice
Speaker 2: and you always are and it's very much appreciated.
Speaker 4: Thank you, and thank you.
Speaker 1: The world should know. Brad would be the first one
Speaker 1: that we would go to.
Speaker 4: That's lots of thank you.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 4: Does I think, I don't know? I think I think you.
Speaker 4: I'm always I always appreciate it. Put focus on process,
Speaker 4: not results, So the results full comedy focus on process
Speaker 4: and that processes how's everybody's experience of doing whatever we're doing?
Speaker 4: M and so well, I think when you think about
Speaker 4: things that way, it's like, yeah, helping everybody is the
Speaker 4: way to get to making everybody you know, to results.
Speaker 4: And so I don't know, And also like this is
Speaker 4: an insane thing that we've all chosen to do right,
Speaker 4: and so we have to support you. And also when
Speaker 4: you become the old person, have a response to.
Speaker 2: Her to lead. You're not there yet, You're not the
Speaker 2: old person.
Speaker 4: I will say in all the movies, you know, the
Speaker 4: old you know, the old sense who gets killed Like
Speaker 4: I'm that I'm that kind of like that's no.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, you're not there yet. Try but
Speaker 3: we like your wisdom. We will take your wisdom, We'll
Speaker 3: take your kindness. Uh take us back. So you and
Speaker 3: Ryan worked on niptok together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well right, and then he hired me as a
Speaker 4: staff writer is the lowest position on the writing staff.
Speaker 2: So this show talked about it come up.
Speaker 3: So then how the hell did you you guys do
Speaker 3: Glee together and you guys were co writing and showrunner.
Speaker 1: Did you just click? Like what happened?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think I think it's I mean that we
Speaker 4: we clicked creatively right away. You know, in a writer's room,
Speaker 4: you're sort of all sitting around the table and everybody's pitching,
Speaker 4: and it was a really strong writer's room, and it suck.
Speaker 4: But I sort of gravitated to to sitting by Ryan,
Speaker 4: and we just had a real creative connection. You know,
Speaker 4: I think we were we were both I was obviously,
Speaker 4: you know, learning at that point. I mean, he was
Speaker 4: a true mentor to me and and still remains that.
Speaker 4: But but there was some way in which that we
Speaker 4: compliment each other creatively that is I think really clear
Speaker 4: to both of us, and also something where we also
Speaker 4: were going to develop a real friendship because we compliment
Speaker 4: each other personally, and that you guys know, like Ryan
Speaker 4: and I couldn't be more different.
Speaker 2: It's it's you guys are like the odd couple, or
Speaker 2: like you see people in a relationship, or you have
Speaker 2: nothing in common but they work somehow. Yes, I don't
Speaker 2: understand difference.
Speaker 4: It's you know, I think we had a complete respect
Speaker 4: for the way the other person was, and and a
Speaker 4: and a and a delight in the way the other
Speaker 4: person was right, and also an understanding that like there
Speaker 4: were things that he m ways that he was that
Speaker 4: I really needed to to really strengthen myself, and I
Speaker 4: think he saw the same thing and me, there are
Speaker 4: ways that I am that he really needs to strengthen himself.
Speaker 4: And so we got we've developed this friendship. And also
Speaker 4: you know, I love to sit and write, and Ryan
Speaker 4: is an excellent writer. He doesn't love to sit and write.
Speaker 4: So we created a pilot together called Pretty Handsome that
Speaker 4: didn't go and uh, and then afterwards he was ready disappointed,
Speaker 4: and I said, you know, I think there's something better.
Speaker 4: I have a feeling that this is a reason why
Speaker 4: this know is happening, so something better can come along.
Speaker 4: And then Ian came in with Glee shortly after that.
Speaker 4: It wasn't very long after that, and then and then
Speaker 4: Ryan said, Hey, I met this guy and this is
Speaker 4: thing and Fox kind of wants a musical thing. Let's
Speaker 4: do this all together. You're gonna love Ian. And then
Speaker 4: we met Ian, and I was Ian. Everyone knows it's
Speaker 4: the most lovable, impressive.
Speaker 1: And the three of you couldn't be more different, But.
Speaker 2: I like the perfect middle between.
Speaker 4: You two. He just is. He is one of the
Speaker 4: most unique people I have ever met who is not
Speaker 4: who is not unable to function in society like he
Speaker 4: is highly functioning. And usually you get that unique and
Speaker 4: it's somebody it's like they can't they can't put the
Speaker 4: ants on. They certainly can't be kids and at home
Speaker 4: and had these wildly successful uh A writer, but he
Speaker 4: is that, he's like, he has the familion ability. And
Speaker 4: so the three of us together had this quality uh
Speaker 4: in terms of really enjoying each other as people and
Speaker 4: also bringing very very different creative strengths to the show,
Speaker 4: which we've talked about more about about Ryan sort of
Speaker 4: having these really big, incredible ideas and Ian being able
Speaker 4: to write the funniest stuff ever and preferring to dig
Speaker 4: into no I without you know, I also wrote plenty
Speaker 4: of other stuff like each other, but me trying to
Speaker 4: dig him to more of the emotional stuff that I
Speaker 4: like the best.
Speaker 3: This is why I like working with Kevin. It's a
Speaker 3: similar thing. It resonates. We are similar, but we are
Speaker 3: very different. We work very differently. There are things he's
Speaker 3: very good at that I could not care less about,
Speaker 3: and vice versa.
Speaker 1: So maybe we'll.
Speaker 3: Do something as successful as you guys in the future,
Speaker 3: to be the Ryan and Brad of the world.
Speaker 1: I believe I'm just manifesting that kebsolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now that Brent said, how can I help.
Speaker 4: Any time?
Speaker 2: You know you've entered a pitch room. Actually, we're not
Speaker 2: even recording a podcast. We're just gonna sit with.
Speaker 1: You for a couple of times in the corner.
Speaker 2: Jenna and I are very different, but Ian's more functioning
Speaker 2: than I am in public. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you're a pretty.
Speaker 5: Funny guy, very funny.
Speaker 2: I was going to say so. Ian's original script was
Speaker 2: very different from what Glee ended up being. And Ryan
Speaker 2: talked to us about how he had sort of this
Speaker 2: vision of what it could be when he came to
Speaker 2: you with it, how far along and his mind, if
Speaker 2: you remember, was that sort of reworking of the script
Speaker 2: or was that something you guys did together, were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's a foundation of what we have of inspiration of
Speaker 2: Ian's og thing, what can this be for network television?
Speaker 4: I honestly don't remember. I know that I never ready
Speaker 4: in screenplay because we were just I think there were
Speaker 4: I think I think, I think that the Sandy Ryerson
Speaker 4: character was in there in some way, but it was more.
Speaker 1: Uh pronoun the wead dealer, right, it was much.
Speaker 4: Darker pedophilia and yeah, I mean very Ian, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: And I can't I know that that is the truth,
Speaker 4: that Ryan had a vision for what this could be,
Speaker 4: which was which which which relied at least on tone,
Speaker 4: like he knew the tone of the show, right, And
Speaker 4: so in terms of breaking the story, I just don't
Speaker 4: remember specifically, but I would guess that I would guess,
Speaker 4: knowing how we worked that by the time it came
Speaker 4: in to write the pilot that Ryan had some some
Speaker 4: some some pretty strong beats already in his head right
Speaker 4: and then and I don't I don't know if he
Speaker 4: if he had, he couldn't have had a vision for
Speaker 4: the tone, tone of what the show actually became, because
Speaker 4: so much of that came out in the writing and
Speaker 4: this weird combination of us. But he always knew. He
Speaker 4: always knew, like and at the beginning, someone needs to
Speaker 4: know that's it, that's not it, And that was sort
Speaker 4: of him. And he knew something that was too far
Speaker 4: gone or something that was like in the mall park.
Speaker 4: He just like this than this, and and we all
Speaker 4: three got that pretty quickly. So it never didn't really
Speaker 4: turn into it never really turned into something different, like
Speaker 4: we were all we all ended up being the same page.
Speaker 4: But I think Ryan was the original sort of north
Speaker 4: Star to say it's it's sort of towards here because
Speaker 4: there's so many there's so many different ways that could
Speaker 4: have gone. I mean, any didn't want it to be
Speaker 4: high school musically, didn't want it to be rock and
Speaker 4: or high school. He didn't want it to be a
Speaker 4: more familiar musical or more familiar high school show.
Speaker 1: You know, right, We're all not those things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's interesting because Ryan When Ryan came on,
Speaker 3: we talked about him going from you guys, going from
Speaker 3: Niptuck sic Glee to like running these empires essentially and
Speaker 3: being showrunners with very little experience running one hundred you know,
Speaker 3: guiding and managing hundreds of people.
Speaker 1: I'm curious for you, like becoming a showrunner from being
Speaker 1: hired as a staff writer. Like what that experience was.
Speaker 3: Like for you, and like what what you've learned you know,
Speaker 3: from Niptok all the way to like brother son, Well, Brian.
Speaker 4: Is very I don't know if it precocious the right word.
Speaker 4: He he he. He is somebody who, even at a
Speaker 4: very young age, had a lot of skills that that
Speaker 4: most people don't have. His ability to run shows he
Speaker 4: sort of just had magically in a way as I
Speaker 4: think I've had to learn it, and so I had
Speaker 4: sort of a lot from him. My way of doing
Speaker 4: it is a little bit different, like we are just
Speaker 4: we're just, as I said, different personalities, so a little
Speaker 4: bit different. But so much of what I know, everything
Speaker 4: of what I know about how to make a TVV
Speaker 4: show and run a TV show, I learned from him.
Speaker 4: And He's the only real show and I've ever worked
Speaker 4: for with So I think that I think that it's
Speaker 4: obviously lots of failure and trial and error, and through
Speaker 4: the American Horror Story and Glee and Posey, you learn
Speaker 4: so many things by doing things wrong, and you learn
Speaker 4: about yourself and about Again I said earlier, it's about
Speaker 4: what's the process, and and the showrunner determines the tone
Speaker 4: and the process. That's the show owner's job. It's like,
Speaker 4: this is the show, this isn't the show, So this
Speaker 4: is the tone and you have that in your head always,
Speaker 4: And how is the how is this world that we
Speaker 4: are creating of human beings working? How is that going
Speaker 4: to feel to everybody? And so you know, I have,
Speaker 4: while while learning how to do the technical things of it,
Speaker 4: my my goal has always been I want to make
Speaker 4: sure that everybody leaves this process feeling like that was
Speaker 4: one of the best experience they've ever had. And and
Speaker 4: that's that's been you know, But that that happens by learning,
Speaker 4: That happens by making sometimes making mistakes so that it
Speaker 4: isn't And certainly there was lots of examples in Glee
Speaker 4: of that happening.
Speaker 6: Right, So I'm not I'm not I'm not a prodigy,
Speaker 6: you know, I think I'm a really good writer, and
Speaker 6: I think I'm a very good, relatively good.
Speaker 4: Uh leader, But I think I needed I needed time
Speaker 4: to really to get the mistakes out and learn. And
Speaker 4: so that's experience. Experiences everything, failures, everything failing, failing, failing,
Speaker 4: and being in a space where it's safe enough to fail,
Speaker 4: and being in a space we have people around you
Speaker 4: that are letting you fail and supporting you when you're not.
Speaker 4: And we had a lot of support from the network
Speaker 4: and from each other, uh and you know, even from
Speaker 4: all of you guys too, I think, and you really
Speaker 4: were very forgiving of all of our mistakes.
Speaker 1: And well, we were brand new too.
Speaker 5: We were learning so much. You know, we were learning
Speaker 5: so much. But you guys were great, you were fearless leaders.
Speaker 5: And thanks.
Speaker 4: We tried, and yeah, it was hard.
Speaker 1: It's really hard.
Speaker 2: There's a normal TV show that runs normally and then
Speaker 2: you created this brand that blew up all over the world.
Speaker 2: And so it's like, well, I just like what is
Speaker 2: that like? During Glee, like I was just I'm a writer.
Speaker 2: I'm just a writer. That's what I signed up for.
Speaker 2: Created the show and now they're going on tour and
Speaker 2: now they're they're on ritz cracker boxes and we're after
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Like from your standpoint, like, what was
Speaker 2: going on in your head during all of that, Like,
Speaker 2: how does that feel?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Oh, this thing I created became this massive success, but also, uh,
Speaker 2: now we're in the deep into something else.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, if I look back on it, I
Speaker 4: I it was so much that I was so I think.
Speaker 4: I mean, by that point, by Temm creating Glee, I
Speaker 4: was already that you know, We've been a few years
Speaker 4: into Tucks, So I was an epn names. I directed
Speaker 4: a lot of episodes of we were really producing that
Speaker 4: show and a lot more responsibility. So I understood, you know,
Speaker 4: a lot about about running and about certainly I understood
Speaker 4: a lot about producing and directing and writing TV. So
Speaker 4: that part was pretty clear. But then you know, success
Speaker 4: is you know, managing success is a is a separate
Speaker 4: from any experience you have that's about you as a
Speaker 4: human being, right, And where are you? What place are
Speaker 4: you in as a human being? Can Are you in
Speaker 4: a place where you can be measured about what's happening?
Speaker 4: Are you a place where you're going to be affected
Speaker 4: by the what's coming in from the outside, world, and
Speaker 4: I don't. I think I struggled to be measured. I
Speaker 4: think because I was just confused, like what's happening and
Speaker 4: like you said, it's big, and what part of this
Speaker 4: is me and taking credit to myself for this? Should
Speaker 4: I feel better about myself about this? Should I demand
Speaker 4: more for this? What? What? Why? Why does it feel
Speaker 4: not feel good? Why does this feel better than this?
Speaker 4: And so it's just a really confusing moment. I just
Speaker 4: think I think success more than success, real success and
Speaker 4: real failure is a thing that brings out all of
Speaker 4: your stuff. Who you are is determined by how you
Speaker 4: behave in success and failure and so and so the
Speaker 4: learning experience of what it meant to be that kind
Speaker 4: of successful through Glee was really helpful to me to
Speaker 4: sort of be understanding who I am, what was important
Speaker 4: to me with my values were because you get caught
Speaker 4: up in the values that aren't yours, about ego and
Speaker 4: money and power and influence and fame. It's like, those
Speaker 4: are those are not at my core, not my values.
Speaker 4: But it's so hard not to be caring about that
Speaker 4: stuff when there's so much coming your way. So the
Speaker 4: answer is it was chaos, and it was chaos. When
Speaker 4: all that was happening, You're also trying to make twenty
Speaker 4: episodes of a show that's almost impossible to make at
Speaker 4: the same time, and there's three of us reading every episode,
Speaker 4: and we're directing multiple episodes at the same time, and
Speaker 4: Niptuck is still going on, and then American Hart Story starts.
Speaker 4: So it was it was chaos. It was with a
Speaker 4: marriage foling part at the same time, like really great stuff.
Speaker 4: It was really good.
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to say that exactly, but I was
Speaker 2: going to say, I don't understand how you guys wrote
Speaker 2: forty four episodes without anybody else, on top of managing
Speaker 2: the business of it all, on top of doing Niptok,
Speaker 2: on top of American Horror Story starting. It was hard
Speaker 2: for us, and we we had a very like being
Speaker 2: an actor, it's pretty cut and drive, what your responsibility is?
Speaker 2: You on the other side of it, had a slew
Speaker 2: of responsibilities all over the place, and we could barely
Speaker 2: manage our personal lives. So I don't know how any
Speaker 2: of you had any sort of life outside of just work.
Speaker 2: Like I just like they must be sleeping in their
Speaker 2: offices because I don't know, like, what would you were juggling.
Speaker 4: We were fortunate to have each other, right, Like, like
Speaker 4: the three of us were really you know, not to
Speaker 4: be not to sound arrogant about it, were really really
Speaker 4: good at our jobs. Like we could break it down
Speaker 4: really quickly. Ryan was really fast at breaking episodes, and
Speaker 4: he and I were really fast at writing, so we
Speaker 4: could you know, you know, we could do a lot.
Speaker 4: We can We can do an episode in a week
Speaker 4: that we had to be doing three days that we had,
Speaker 4: So we didn't often do that, but we could. So
Speaker 4: we were able to stay sort of on target because each
Speaker 4: of us did what we had to do very well.
Speaker 4: If you took any one of us out of that equation,
Speaker 4: we would have been in trouble, which I've left in
Speaker 4: and on our own, we would have been in trouble.
Speaker 4: If you just run on his own, he would have
Speaker 4: been in trouble. If you take Anan out, I would
Speaker 4: have really struggled and Ryan would have really struggled. So
Speaker 4: so was that and then and where are the parties?
Speaker 4: Like I would get up really early in the morning
Speaker 4: and I would I would cook dinner with my daughter
Speaker 4: for that night. So home we would then you know,
Speaker 4: hang out and we have dinner made, and then I
Speaker 4: bath at bedtime, and then after all that, I would
Speaker 4: start writing for the night, and I'd stay up till whatever,
Speaker 4: till eleven thirty or midnight writing and then you get
Speaker 4: it up in the morning. You do the same thing again,
Speaker 4: and you just find time different. I just found times
Speaker 4: at the time to do it, and because we were
Speaker 4: pretty efficient at what we were working on, we could
Speaker 4: do it. And then you know, making sure not to
Speaker 4: direct too many episodes so that I wasn't away from
Speaker 4: home and the kids too much, and having the kids
Speaker 4: come to the set, which you guys remember around now.
Speaker 2: You just are usual humans now.
Speaker 1: Make it work. Yeah, and adults, it's crazy. You guys
Speaker 1: made it work. You have to make it work.
Speaker 4: You don't, you know, don't hope and there's a problem.
Speaker 4: But we none of us were people that thought it
Speaker 4: was appropriate to stay in a writer's room until nine pm.
Speaker 4: It's just not what we did. Go have a life,
Speaker 4: go have dinner, or goat see your kids, all those things.
Speaker 4: And we just all had to set shared that value.
Speaker 4: It was like, no, let's get this done now, and
Speaker 4: let's get it done in a smart way. So if
Speaker 4: we broke one story of a day. Let's not keep going.
Speaker 4: We got it. We let's move on. And again, we
Speaker 4: were just really lucky to have each other and uh
Speaker 4: and to understand the show, and then also to have
Speaker 4: you guys where we know you guys can pull it off.
Speaker 1: That's very nice.
Speaker 2: We most have been asses though we were because we
Speaker 2: were probably you're getting our text emails, We're like, what
Speaker 2: is happening with this thing and that thing?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was funny.
Speaker 4: No, I mean no, you guys, you guys were I know.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel so silly now. It feels so dumb
Speaker 2: to look back and be like, I don't have a
Speaker 2: song this week. It's like, you guys are you families?
Speaker 4: But you know, but but you need all that, right,
Speaker 4: you need attention that because because we're we're dealing with
Speaker 4: casts and trying to stay ahead of the things and
Speaker 4: we're not thinking of everything. And if and if Jenna
Speaker 4: hasn't had a song in a few episodes, well that's
Speaker 4: wrong because not because we like Jenna went over the
Speaker 4: that the audience wants to see Jana sing, so she
Speaker 4: should remind us that because otherwise we're just gonna just
Speaker 4: not roll Yet, you know what's spend that many episodes?
Speaker 4: We don't, you know, it's not top of mind.
Speaker 1: There's eighteen of us.
Speaker 2: A lot of us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, multiplying, Yeah, it was you guys weren't paying that.
Speaker 4: You two certainly weren't paying.
Speaker 3: The Sometimes we have guest guest stars on and you know,
Speaker 3: some like Damien and Samuel and you know, all those
Speaker 3: guys and we.
Speaker 1: Have to ask them like were we nice to you?
Speaker 5: And and I'm like, oh, thank god, truly, because there
Speaker 5: were some unhinged moments where you go, I could have
Speaker 5: I really could have been an.
Speaker 3: Asshole in that moment, and I don't know if I was,
Speaker 3: And I'm so grateful I wasn't.
Speaker 4: And you two were assholes to anybody who who would
Speaker 4: you ever have been assholes to you?
Speaker 3: You know, it's just your You get really comfortable with
Speaker 3: your environment. That's a second home for you. Those people
Speaker 3: you see every day, they're seeing you at crying, they're
Speaker 3: seeing you and costumes painted face, it's just crazy. So
Speaker 3: you do get comfortable with them, and I think you
Speaker 3: get sometimes you can get a little too comfortable.
Speaker 2: They's like an emotional shorthand where you can with crew
Speaker 2: members and things you can let your guard down. Fully. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she probably wouldn't normally do in professional environments, but because
Speaker 2: we were all together so often, so when someone new
Speaker 2: comes around, you're like, I don't know if I know
Speaker 2: how to be a normal functional professional.
Speaker 3: You're detective of our family and our home. Right there's
Speaker 3: you know, you have like Andrew and Penny and you're like,
Speaker 3: don't speak to them that way, or like you know,
Speaker 3: you're like, I say something to Andrew that I didn't
Speaker 3: mean because I was tired. You know, there's just things
Speaker 3: that you think about and you're like, they keep me
Speaker 3: up at nights sometimes because I'm like, I hope I
Speaker 3: was a really good person to these people because they're
Speaker 3: looking at it now hindsight, like not being on the
Speaker 3: show anymore and having enough space and time to go like, wow,
Speaker 3: look what we did, and look what they did being
Speaker 3: away from their families. Like we didn't have kids at
Speaker 3: the time, there wasn't our stakes were a little bit lower,
Speaker 3: and you know, there wasn't as much you know, time
Speaker 3: wasn't as precious to me, I think as it was
Speaker 3: to Andrew with a kid at home, so or were
Speaker 3: you with a kid at home?
Speaker 1: So there's it's it's it's different now.
Speaker 4: I just think you need to he needs to give yourself,
Speaker 4: and it's yeah, I mean you're very young, and first
Speaker 4: of all, I'm sure you didn't do anything the gregious
Speaker 4: in anyway, but but it's it's it's like except the
Speaker 4: whole thing for what it was and who you were
Speaker 4: and how it led to you being who you are now.
Speaker 4: And and definitely there mind somebody still holds a garage.
Speaker 4: But that's you know, you got to forgive yourself.
Speaker 1: There's not ours. Yeah, exactly, you're right there. He is
Speaker 1: again just.
Speaker 2: Throwing the nuggets out. Maybe he is the old sense.
Speaker 2: There was a point in season two where it felt
Speaker 2: like some of our personal things started to end up
Speaker 2: in some of the stories.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not asking you to confirm or deny how
Speaker 2: did that happen?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you know, like you know they
Speaker 4: say that you know these psychics that have these you
Speaker 4: know that you come to the theater and they say,
Speaker 4: I'm sensing you have and you and you find it.
Speaker 4: Actually they bug the lobby. I want to talk to
Speaker 4: my dead mom. They know we just you know, we
Speaker 4: were on the set with you guys and we would
Speaker 4: listen and you'd say something would say a light and
Speaker 4: that like I'll steal that, or you about your personal
Speaker 4: life and say that's there's something rich there that we
Speaker 4: can play with. And so it was absolute theft. It
Speaker 4: was just in this theft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I have to say it was funny
Speaker 2: like during season two, every week some would open the
Speaker 2: script and be like you'd hear it, no, like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: it's that weak.
Speaker 4: I think it's part of what we responded to the
Speaker 4: show is there was something just so personal to everybody
Speaker 4: a bout and then you guys would play whatever it
Speaker 4: was with so much fun and with such a wink
Speaker 4: like you never you never played it the way it
Speaker 4: actually was happening to you in your life, and you've
Speaker 4: got that there was something. We were doing a fun
Speaker 4: version of that, and hopefully it helped process whatever was
Speaker 4: going on. But we you know, we had to do
Speaker 4: a lot of episodes that you've got to find story
Speaker 4: ideas somewhere, and it's funny, that's something to us, and
Speaker 4: we were on the set. We would run back to
Speaker 4: the office. You're like, you're not going to believe this is.
Speaker 1: That's how it happened.
Speaker 2: I'm glad it was that exciting because I would hope
Speaker 2: it would be like that.
Speaker 1: You guys, you listen to this ship or you'd.
Speaker 4: Be writing and you know, Kemblo said something to me,
Speaker 4: and I'll be writing an already scene and like, oh this,
Speaker 4: this would be really funny if if it already says this,
Speaker 4: because what Kevin just told me, it be fun.
Speaker 2: But see, it's easy to imagine Ryan doing that because
Speaker 2: he was like very obvious about it, where we'd be like,
Speaker 2: look at Naya do this bit and then it would
Speaker 2: end up in the show. But you're so like unassuming
Speaker 2: and ian too that it's harder to imagine you two
Speaker 2: doing it. It makes me feel better that you all
Speaker 2: were doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just wasn't. It wasn't. We weren't maybe weren't
Speaker 4: doing it as gossip he or as you know, no
Speaker 4: good at drawing it out. You were listening to what
Speaker 4: felt like a good story, and we would never have
Speaker 4: done anything to hurt you guys, or something was that
Speaker 4: was too personal that would have been difficult. Whether it's
Speaker 4: super private, but if you're you know, he happened about
Speaker 4: it on the set, sitting in the chairs like it's
Speaker 4: fair game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair that.
Speaker 2: There was one day where.
Speaker 4: There was.
Speaker 2: A producer who worked on the show that wasn't one
Speaker 2: of you three, and he came in. He told he's like, hey,
Speaker 2: I heard this about this person at that person. I
Speaker 2: was like, actually, no, that's not true at all, and
Speaker 2: then alluded to like other people talking about I was like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, you guys, Jenna, is he trying to
Speaker 2: stir shiit up just to see how we react?
Speaker 1: Yes, And I was like looking for truth.
Speaker 2: Never confirmed true, he was looking for things, but I
Speaker 2: was like, is this how they're doing it? Is this
Speaker 2: how they're finding things? I was like, No, we were
Speaker 2: so loud and talking about everything all the time. You
Speaker 2: didn't need to be clever with us. We didn't know.
Speaker 4: No that weird to do that to try and stir
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, no, no, you were so we told you everything.
Speaker 4: It was great. Yeah, it was. It was a really
Speaker 4: really fun set in that way, like it really was,
Speaker 4: and you know, eighty five percent of the time was
Speaker 4: the most fun place to be. You know, yeah, problems,
Speaker 4: but for for a for a it's either it's either
Speaker 4: never fun because you're just doing work, or it's chaotic
Speaker 4: or it's fun sometimes, but this was mostly all really
Speaker 4: raw and free and easy and fun and then you know, uh,
Speaker 4: and it's pretty good numbers, I think, considering whatever part
Speaker 4: of me shorking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what people forget, and I think
Speaker 2: people who listen to this, it's easy to remember all
Speaker 2: the sort of more negative things that may have might
Speaker 2: have come out afterwards, or eighty five percent of its joy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just a blast. And we were idiots and
Speaker 2: we were getting to be clowns and sing and dance
Speaker 2: and wear wigs and mustaches like things you dream about
Speaker 2: when you were a little kid. Like we, you guys
Speaker 2: felt like you could do anything on the show and
Speaker 2: it would work because then you would throw in some
Speaker 2: really grounded, moving, heartfelt shit that really mattered, and the
Speaker 2: rest of us are like do do do do do?
Speaker 2: Look at us?
Speaker 4: And you also fully committed to anything. Frony, if you
Speaker 4: the Gaga episode, you're gonna send it to the Bully
Speaker 4: all dressed as Gag and everybody is sort of nobody
Speaker 4: is feeling like in it, like my costume, I why
Speaker 4: they have this? What I don't want it? It's like
Speaker 4: everybody is, you know, is so true we're together.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and it was I.
Speaker 4: Mean you ever sent us even two small numbers. That
Speaker 4: was a really fun time.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: And everybody was really good to each other for the
Speaker 4: most part, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, especially like somebody like Cory who across the
Speaker 5: board on the show, on this podcast in particular, there's
Speaker 5: always somebody that everybody has to say something about Corey
Speaker 5: and how he went out of his way to bring
Speaker 5: them into the group or make them feel included, or
Speaker 5: you know, was being a leader in some way. He
Speaker 5: did it so quietly that we I don't think we
Speaker 5: even realized what he was doing. But when you see
Speaker 5: Corey and like red late text with like glitter.
Speaker 3: Around his eyes, like giving you the performance of his life,
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm here, you know, like I got to
Speaker 3: do this too.
Speaker 4: Yeah. That's really that's true leadership. I mean, were you
Speaker 4: really were all leaders there? You really were, some louder
Speaker 4: than others. But I do think the way that everybody
Speaker 4: acted and encouraged everyone else to to to push themselves
Speaker 4: and to have fun and all that. And before you
Speaker 4: obviously he really he really was. I never would tell
Speaker 4: you what to do. He was the kind of leader
Speaker 4: that you just knew were counting on energetically to to
Speaker 4: sort of steer everybody in the right place and keep
Speaker 4: everybody in line in the right way, and always a
Speaker 4: sense of humor. And you know, yes, I just I
Speaker 4: don't think you can find anybody who worked on that
Speaker 4: show that didn't wouldn't pick him as as somebody who who.
Speaker 1: Was kind to him, you know, ye, yep, totally did.
Speaker 2: You did you know he was doing that sort of
Speaker 2: behind Like we just found out recently with you know,
Speaker 2: like the newer cast members that came onto the show,
Speaker 2: that he would take them out to lunch and check
Speaker 2: in with them and make sure they're okay, And we
Speaker 2: had no idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't remember. I can't remember if I knew.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think so, because he just wasn't
Speaker 4: He wasn't publicizing that. That wasn't no thing at all,
Speaker 4: and he wasn't coming us and say how can I help?
Speaker 1: He just was doing it right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: See, that's like someone like you said, were Sometimes people
Speaker 2: are just born with the gifts of how to lead
Speaker 2: or how to run things, And like there's someone right
Speaker 2: there who ye purely oozed that at all at all?
Speaker 2: Times knew how to do that, and Jenna and I
Speaker 2: were just like.
Speaker 4: You guys were leading to in your own way. He
Speaker 4: just he took a different tact. But like what we're
Speaker 4: describing about how fun it was and how together everybody
Speaker 4: felt and I committed, everyone was like you guys were
Speaker 4: leading that, you know, very specifically leading that, and like
Speaker 4: you know, there was never a night that was too
Speaker 4: late for either of you. There was never a slushy
Speaker 4: that was one too many slushies for either of you.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Well, well, well but then.
Speaker 4: There was never there's never neither of you rolls your eyes.
Speaker 4: Can we do one more? Take tims of one more?
Speaker 4: You were just great, let's do it. You know, so
Speaker 4: leadership too.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 2: How was that from the directing side? You obviously wrote
Speaker 2: it from the very beginning, and you started directing from
Speaker 2: the very beginning. Does that perspective of getting to work
Speaker 2: with the crew and on the set sort of then
Speaker 2: inform what you're taking back to you know, the writers
Speaker 2: room from there on out.
Speaker 4: Certainly, because then you have a much more personal relationship
Speaker 4: with you guys, and so you know where your strengths
Speaker 4: are and where areas that maybe we could poke around
Speaker 4: a little bit and where places where we could you know,
Speaker 4: this place is further to grow, and so really helps
Speaker 4: a lot. There's nothing better than show running writing directly
Speaker 4: because then you're literally is nobody standing behind you saying
Speaker 4: we'll try this instead of this like you're we're from
Speaker 4: the moment of your imagination to the moment he gets
Speaker 4: on the air. You've done all of that, right, So
Speaker 4: that's the I would recommend anybody who can that. That's
Speaker 4: the goal. Uh, you want to really have some artistic
Speaker 4: control working in television and film is being able to
Speaker 4: do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you love directing? Like you started out writing?
Speaker 2: How did directing come into it?
Speaker 4: Ryan has always been great about breaking people as directors,
Speaker 4: and we were on Nip Talk. He sort of asked
Speaker 4: all the writers who wants to direct this season? And
Speaker 4: he was season three and we all put our hands up,
Speaker 4: and so he just get shot and Mike rob and
Speaker 4: Greuce Shepherd were there, and they were my problem was
Speaker 4: very very supportive of new directors, and he's a great
Speaker 4: director and sort of shepherding people and making sure they
Speaker 4: don't fail. And so just started directing, and.
Speaker 3: You know, I think you did that with Matt too,
Speaker 3: you know we did with Matt and uh and I
Speaker 3: think a few.
Speaker 4: Right now literally directed before. And so you either have
Speaker 4: the sort of skill to be able to communicate what
Speaker 4: you're trying to do to accrue into a cast. And
Speaker 4: so if you can do that and you have some
Speaker 4: vision that I think directing is is not that hard
Speaker 4: if the script is good. I mean, I love I
Speaker 4: love directing. I do not like the physical strain of directing.
Speaker 4: The hours days in a row. It's not I'm not
Speaker 4: built for that. But the but the thing of the
Speaker 4: scene that I wrote, and now we're sitting and rehearsing
Speaker 4: it and we're coming up with how to do it
Speaker 4: and then watching it and how to shoot it, that's
Speaker 4: really really fun. I probably couldn't do it for more
Speaker 4: than you know, an episode at a time here and there.
Speaker 1: It's a lot.
Speaker 2: I really loved when you directed because you were someone
Speaker 2: who I I'm like, I don't know how you how
Speaker 2: you do this? You know, watching people work at that
Speaker 2: level and all the different departments is really my boggling
Speaker 2: and humbling, Like everybody is so good at everything they're doing,
Speaker 2: and you were the only person I felt comfortable distracting, interrupting,
Speaker 2: and so like how how are you doing this? And
Speaker 2: then you'd sit there with me and be like, well,
Speaker 2: how would you set up this shot? Like how do
Speaker 2: we normally shoot weird in the auditorium? How would you
Speaker 2: do this? Like well you do the wide shot version,
Speaker 2: like yeah, and then like right, okay, there's a little
Speaker 2: formula here. They're like, yeah, you know how we do this.
Speaker 2: You could do this, But it wasn't until you know,
Speaker 2: people take the time to speak to you in that
Speaker 2: way to like work through like, oh, is this something
Speaker 2: I'm interested in? Is this I'm starting to understand this
Speaker 2: at a deeper level, which I think then helps us
Speaker 2: as actors as well understanding your point of view as
Speaker 2: the director or the writer or the showrunner, producer, whatever
Speaker 2: it may be. So it's nice to have someone in
Speaker 2: charge that takes the time to sit with a lowly
Speaker 2: subject like me to you know, talk through those things,
Speaker 2: because it also is just fascinating, like especially on Glee
Speaker 2: where you see those sets, the scale of the thing
Speaker 2: we're doing every day, and to be able to talk
Speaker 2: to people who are at you know, the pinnacle of
Speaker 2: I mean, they're the best at what they do. Right,
Speaker 2: and so to get to see that be around it
Speaker 2: feel like creative energy even if we're doing silly shit.
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of expertise to do that, and
Speaker 2: it was always very humbling to see that.
Speaker 3: I mean those guest directors, I bowed down to them
Speaker 3: now because like you're in it from an action point
Speaker 3: of view, we know the formula, we knew how to
Speaker 3: do a musical number, like we could have directed those
Speaker 3: all day and night. But I'm telling you, and you
Speaker 3: come in for the first time to do Glee, that
Speaker 3: is scary shit.
Speaker 2: Like who knows how to shoot musical?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: How do you make your days that period?
Speaker 2: Truly, it was like Beaker insults.
Speaker 4: Yes, they were really good, because you make your days
Speaker 4: by knowing what you need and by trusting yourself. Right,
Speaker 4: where people can go off the rails is if they're like,
Speaker 4: I don't know if I have it yet, so I'm
Speaker 4: going to do another one. I'm going to get another angle,
Speaker 4: because what if what if they don't have enough when
Speaker 4: they get in the edit room, you just have to
Speaker 4: know like I have it, I have it, and and
Speaker 4: when I direct it's it's There are times when we'll
Speaker 4: do one take of one angle and I say, I
Speaker 4: have it. I'm going to keep shootings. I need to
Speaker 4: edit this all together. But what really needs to happen
Speaker 4: in the scene is I need one reaction from Jenna
Speaker 4: saying this line one way and the scene will work.
Speaker 4: And the rest is just it's just you know math,
Speaker 4: and so you just have to know when that is
Speaker 4: and when the scene is really done, and then you
Speaker 4: and then you put the pieces together and then you
Speaker 4: can go. But that can be that could obviously be
Speaker 4: in one shot, that could be in twenty shots. But
Speaker 4: where the directors can really fall down is in being
Speaker 4: if you're unsure of yourself, you're screwed.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, totally screwed.
Speaker 3: Well, Jin, here's a little Lee was a family, and
Speaker 3: then you met more family. You met your wife. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the coolest.
Speaker 1: You're married to.
Speaker 3: Gwynn with Paltrow. Still I have to say her full name,
Speaker 3: but she's so cool. You guys are just so cool together.
Speaker 3: It makes sense to me, And like after meeting her
Speaker 3: and her coming on the set and being so awesome
Speaker 3: and us being like, oh, that's that was awesome.
Speaker 1: I hope she comes back again. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: ask you to get into details of Mae like, but like.
Speaker 3: What was that like meeting her and and like having
Speaker 3: your journey, you know, and like ending of literally marrying.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean when we I think what I think
Speaker 4: it was like meeting her was the same reason why
Speaker 4: many years later we ended up, you know, getting married,
Speaker 4: was that we just had a real you know. I
Speaker 4: remember the first day we were shooting, and I think
Speaker 4: she was being that marytime Lincoln thing, and it was
Speaker 4: it was one of those one of those blessed Let's story.
Speaker 4: Chris baf is incredibly talented, deep, but sometimes could be
Speaker 4: a little bit slow. Yeah, And so it was just
Speaker 4: one of those nights and so we just we were
Speaker 4: just and I think I can't remember. Ryan had to
Speaker 4: go somewhere and he was freighting, so I was I
Speaker 4: had to set that that that night, and we just
Speaker 4: started talking and it was a real ease and we
Speaker 4: were just we just became friends. And so then every
Speaker 4: time she would come back to shoot, we were excited
Speaker 4: to see each other and say, hey, how you doing,
Speaker 4: and and we just developed this really you know, comfortable friendship.
Speaker 4: Then sort of going on as the as the you know,
Speaker 4: when she wasn't there, we would just sort of send
Speaker 4: emails to each other, Hey, check this out or know
Speaker 4: the things that people do.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and.
Speaker 4: You know, we're both going through our own personal journeys
Speaker 4: at home, right or what they were. And then and
Speaker 4: then at some point we were both single and we
Speaker 4: were already really good friends, and we were like, why
Speaker 4: don't we go on a date? You know, let's see
Speaker 4: because everything we'd already talked about so much, we already
Speaker 4: knew each other so well, and there was there was
Speaker 4: never and be able to become friends like that without
Speaker 4: any of the you know, the trouble of you know,
Speaker 4: of any romantic entanglements, like two people who really like
Speaker 4: each other and are friends and now you're going on
Speaker 4: a date, and it just it just from there, it
Speaker 4: was really clear. But we just, like I said, the
Speaker 4: reason why we're married is because we like each other
Speaker 4: so much as people, I mean, other things, but that's
Speaker 4: that's the core of it. And so that was like
Speaker 4: me and her was like I like this person a lot,
Speaker 4: and she's like I like this person a lot. This
Speaker 4: guy's cool, she's cool. Let's let's be friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: You are two of the coolest people ever, very chill,
Speaker 2: and you like to together. You got Oh my god,
Speaker 2: Like going over to hang out with you guys is
Speaker 2: just so.
Speaker 1: Chill, so chill, wet, you know, a very chill environment.
Speaker 4: Welcome, can come over, sit at the table, talk about everything.
Speaker 7: Yeah, teach me about passover, teaching me exactly about whatever
Speaker 7: it may be. And you know, we just like to
Speaker 7: to share ourselves with people we care about and to
Speaker 7: bring really interesting people around and also to impart the
Speaker 7: wisdom of multiple multiple failures and mistakes too.
Speaker 1: We can't well, you guys are both really good listeners.
Speaker 3: I think that's something I've learned about the both of you,
Speaker 3: and so it makes for really a really good connection
Speaker 3: I think together, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: But also like for us and for us to talk
Speaker 1: to you, like it's just like we feel very herd and.
Speaker 5: Good for me at least, and like even you know, David,
Speaker 5: he's like, wow, I just like they're just really good people.
Speaker 5: And I feel hard and I feel seen, and like,
Speaker 5: you know, there's all this hullabaloo above, you know, the
Speaker 5: the industry and you guys and being who you are
Speaker 5: that it's very grounded, like your your home is very grounded.
Speaker 5: You guys are very grounded. So it's a testament to
Speaker 5: like I think, why you guys pair so well together.
Speaker 4: Thanks?
Speaker 3: Thanks, Yeah, but it must be really special to have
Speaker 3: like meeting Gwynneth also on your baby Glee, like just
Speaker 3: having all those really special moments kind of entangled together.
Speaker 4: It's nice. It's nice. And and thank you for saying
Speaker 4: that about us, because it really that's the that's what
Speaker 4: we're trying, and that's our intention and all of our
Speaker 4: relationships and is that people really feel seen and heard
Speaker 4: by us. And we're pretty fastidious about about, you know,
Speaker 4: making sure we're not spread too things so that we
Speaker 4: can just be with the people who really care about
Speaker 4: and people that really give all of ourselves too. And
Speaker 4: so and I'm I mean, he said, imagine I get
Speaker 4: to I get her listening to me, you know, hursing me.
Speaker 4: So what I mean, she's yeah, how could I how
Speaker 4: could I? How could I not be you know standing?
Speaker 2: You nailed it. Yeah, proud of you. You did a
Speaker 2: great job.
Speaker 4: I know, anything to show this that there I know, like,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: You crushed it. I think another like testament to people's
Speaker 2: character is how cool your kids are. And like your family,
Speaker 2: those kids, the combined kids are all just so cool
Speaker 2: and very individual and unique. And also since they were
Speaker 2: little it could sit with you and talk like they
Speaker 2: were adults. But also kids like just really well balanced.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, when the kids come to set, you're like,
Speaker 1: how old are you? Yeah, how do you know that? No,
Speaker 1: they're really cool.
Speaker 4: We love this and like nothing better now, all you know,
Speaker 4: we we each we each were able to gain me,
Speaker 4: you know, two more kids in our lives. Uh, you know.
Speaker 4: And being a step parent is his own special thing.
Speaker 4: And to be able to really raise other kids will
Speaker 4: be part of raising other kids that that aren't yours
Speaker 4: but are yours is really incredible. And and and and
Speaker 4: all four kids rely on the two of us in
Speaker 4: a very specific way. They have four parents they can
Speaker 4: all rely on, and the way they come to us, right,
Speaker 4: it's just we love it and we love them. We're
Speaker 4: all sitting at the dinner table together and they're all
Speaker 4: their own characters.
Speaker 2: They're great.
Speaker 6: Love that.
Speaker 2: It was like last time we were with you guys,
Speaker 2: and all the kids are maybe almost all the kids
Speaker 2: were there, and it was the first time we'd been
Speaker 2: with like that many of them at once, and just
Speaker 2: hearing them talk to us like this, is hilarious because
Speaker 2: also I've been a while since izing.
Speaker 4: Some of them.
Speaker 2: It's like you guys in years. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: what is happening.
Speaker 4: It's insane. They're grown ups. I mean, all this year
Speaker 4: it'll all be out as will be empty nest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no time I heard it. It seems crazy now
Speaker 2: to look back now that we're these ages and think
Speaker 2: about how, yeah, you went from being a staff writer
Speaker 2: to creating this show with Ryan, and how many shows
Speaker 2: have you done together?
Speaker 4: We did I don't care, so we worked on it together.
Speaker 4: That's his shows Pretty Handsome, which didn't go We did Glee,
Speaker 4: We did an American Horror Story. We did American Heart
Speaker 4: Stories now, which is that sort of spin off. We
Speaker 4: did Politician, did Pose, We did screen Queens.
Speaker 1: Uh huh uh. And I'm one and one long Start,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, A lot, a lot, my god.
Speaker 4: Great.
Speaker 1: I'm also currently watching Dahmer right now.
Speaker 4: Is great.
Speaker 3: That's him and I him and Ian. Right you are
Speaker 3: still there, you know, y'all are still there. And then
Speaker 3: they had ahead in the freezer, and then your show
Speaker 3: had ahead in the freezing. I was like, you're all,
Speaker 3: it's synergistic.
Speaker 4: Here, you know, you go ahead some freezer.
Speaker 2: I love having it. Who's posting?
Speaker 6: Was it?
Speaker 2: Aaron was posting the head in the freezer? The makeup work?
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it was so great the show. It's awesome.
Speaker 3: Must be so nice to like have all of our family,
Speaker 3: you know, Gleam and I'm sure they work on and everything.
Speaker 4: That was awesome. It's always that's what's so wonderful about
Speaker 4: working long enough, and you build these relationships to people
Speaker 4: that you love working with and if you're lucky, they're
Speaker 4: free to work right.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Well, when I was shadowing Beaker on Horror Story, I
Speaker 3: got to see Brad in his office. We were they
Speaker 3: were going over tone and they were having a little
Speaker 3: tone meeting. And then like you had Penny and Ben
Speaker 3: and Andrew and you're like, I mean, what's better, what's better?
Speaker 1: And then Beaker it's like watching him do his thing.
Speaker 1: It's so cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good people.
Speaker 2: So when I did Horror Stories and you have like
Speaker 2: Buele was there, Like do you know I could just
Speaker 2: stay here forever? Yeah? It was great. And also I
Speaker 2: think that's such a beautiful thing and says a lot
Speaker 2: about all of you that there's so little turnover in
Speaker 2: that crew. People keep wanting to come back, you know,
Speaker 2: says processes.
Speaker 1: Everything focus on press, Yes has it?
Speaker 2: How has it been? You're not out on your own?
Speaker 2: You know you doing brothers son by yourself? How has
Speaker 2: that been?
Speaker 4: By It's it's it's harder, right because because you know,
Speaker 4: when you have a team, especially like one that's done
Speaker 4: so much, everybody can basically focus on what they do
Speaker 4: well and not really worry about doing the stuff you
Speaker 4: don't do well. And so when you're on your own something,
Speaker 4: you have to do all the stuff that you haven't
Speaker 4: the muscles you haven't exercised. But you know what I
Speaker 4: love is feeble to take all the wisdom and knowledge
Speaker 4: that I've gotten from working with all the great people
Speaker 4: I've worked with and then say, Okay, now I know
Speaker 4: all this stuff, how do I want to do it?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: How am I going to doerently? And how do I
Speaker 4: want what's really my way? And what are the stories
Speaker 4: that I really want to tell? And how do I
Speaker 4: want to tell them? And you know, in any of
Speaker 4: these partnerships, you're it's it's a great creative tension and compromise.
Speaker 4: I really love this, I really love this, So let's
Speaker 4: fight this too well let's find a compromise in there
Speaker 4: where you get to do you care more? So we
Speaker 4: should do it that way. This is no no, I'm
Speaker 4: just going to make my own choices, which is a
Speaker 4: much bigger risk is what there's nobody telling you might
Speaker 4: be wrong, But it's a great reward of seeing the
Speaker 4: you know, seeing really seeing, you know, when I see
Speaker 4: the Brothers so and I see a show that you know,
Speaker 4: I wrote it with Fironhee who's you know, my who's
Speaker 4: you know, sort of the Ian of this is coming
Speaker 4: in a nowhere who's super talented the way Ian is.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, this is an expression of
Speaker 4: the show I want to make. So as people watch this,
Speaker 4: I like to think they're seeing, Oh I kind of
Speaker 4: see now when all of that soup, I sort of
Speaker 4: see the flavor that's Brad really clearly, you know. So
Speaker 4: that's been really great. But I've also had some fighting
Speaker 4: to be you know, to you know, the things that
Speaker 4: I saw Ryan do really well, like fighting for money
Speaker 4: and for time and for things to be a certain
Speaker 4: way and and and for sets to be right and
Speaker 4: not this. But that, like all of those things, I
Speaker 4: was able to say, well, can I do that I've
Speaker 4: never done that before, but I can't. I just do
Speaker 4: it differently, you know, I'll just do it. I do
Speaker 4: it my way. And so it's been really fun to
Speaker 4: build that world. That's that's all sort of you know,
Speaker 4: my mind.
Speaker 1: I see it. I see it, and I hear your voice,
Speaker 1: and I see it and I see that it really does.
Speaker 1: It emanates you, and I love that.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. I'm very proud of it, and
Speaker 4: I hope to having more opportunities to do that.
Speaker 1: We have some fan questions we're going to do, like
Speaker 1: one or two. I think you'll like them.
Speaker 4: These are fan questions that they write in and tell
Speaker 4: you they want to Yeah, yeah, we wrote it.
Speaker 1: We said we were having you on the show, and
Speaker 1: they wrote it and they asked you questions were like, oh.
Speaker 4: This will be the lowest rated Glee podcast.
Speaker 3: No, oh my god, stop are you kidding? We got
Speaker 3: Brad drama. Fiends wants to know which Bruce Springsteen songs
Speaker 3: do you think the show should have done.
Speaker 4: I mean, personally, don't always get on. It's just it's
Speaker 4: not exactly the match. Because the thing about Springs songs
Speaker 4: that are the best is there's just there's a longing
Speaker 4: in them and sometimes glease some really much more lie.
Speaker 4: But we did. We did uh Glory Days right for
Speaker 4: the graduation. Season three was just fun and did no
Speaker 4: surrender in the Quarterback episode, which I really fought hard for.
Speaker 4: Everyone else was like, do we need to do this?
Speaker 4: It's like give me one here. I never give me
Speaker 4: one here. I need to sit here for my own
Speaker 4: reef processing it. So we put that in there. So
Speaker 4: I think we're I think we're good. I think we
Speaker 4: did it. I think we did it. These built at
Speaker 4: these not you know, Bruce is obviously my life, and
Speaker 4: so it's not it's not they're not really built for that.
Speaker 1: Fair enough.
Speaker 2: I thought of you the other day watching the Golden
Speaker 2: Globes and Jorgo's Lantham motes one for Poor Things and
Speaker 2: Bruce rings He was sitting next to the stage and
Speaker 2: all he could do was talk to Bruce Ringsteen because
Speaker 2: he was fanning out. I was like, it's prett prep.
Speaker 4: That's what that guy. I mean anything I do is
Speaker 4: that guy. That guy, he's mine.
Speaker 2: He's good storyteller, he is something else. Yes, this is
Speaker 2: something that people keep asking us, and do you know
Speaker 2: or how we could there's unreleased songs. There's songs that
Speaker 2: never came out that we recorded. Sometimes they were shot.
Speaker 2: How do we leak those and not get sued?
Speaker 4: No, I mean there's something that probably probably can talk
Speaker 4: to Ryan about in terms of, you know, whether or
Speaker 4: not with the streaming platform there's a way to put
Speaker 4: together like with the Glee you know, when you go
Speaker 4: on Glee on Hulu, whether or not there's a way
Speaker 4: to have that be an extra or something. I don't know.
Speaker 4: If there's the problem is you'd have to like if
Speaker 4: that sand's going on there, people are already get paid,
Speaker 4: right and so everybody. Yeah, so it's not a free thing.
Speaker 4: You can't just sort of put them out.
Speaker 1: So I just thid if there was a reboot, then
Speaker 1: maybe if there was, Okay, how do you feel about that, Brad,
Speaker 1: how do you feel I want to reboot?
Speaker 4: I feel that someone else asked me this earlier, and
Speaker 4: something when I was staying publicity for own for the
Speaker 4: son is that if there was a if there was,
Speaker 4: if we can make it good, like there was a
Speaker 4: reason to do it, If there was some reason why
Speaker 4: the Glee world was needed at this time to talk
Speaker 4: about something, I would get it. But I don't quite
Speaker 4: know what that is yet. I don't say impossible, but
Speaker 4: it would need to be the Glee. Glease is the
Speaker 4: reason why Glee was successful. Besides you guys and the
Speaker 4: music and the storytelling, it was that it was a
Speaker 4: time that needed Glee. It was a transition time in
Speaker 4: terms of how other people were talking about and talking
Speaker 4: about diversity and talking about uh, gender and sexuality and
Speaker 4: all these things, and so in that sort of in
Speaker 4: between world, there was a space for us to have
Speaker 4: some fun with it. I don't know where we are
Speaker 4: with that right now, right, I don't know how you
Speaker 4: how you so much about Glee was about these underdogs
Speaker 4: and and and and I don't know if if TV
Speaker 4: underdogs like the TV underdogs inn't really.
Speaker 2: Exist mm hmmm, you know, right, yeah, I think it
Speaker 2: just looks different because there's always there's always underdogs.
Speaker 4: There's always have to find who are they? Who are they?
Speaker 4: We're going to reform? What are we trying to say?
Speaker 1: Right? What are we trying to say? That's really it?
Speaker 2: And do they sing? More importantly, I got it.
Speaker 4: That's hard that you can sing.
Speaker 2: Not all of us could. So it's fine.
Speaker 1: This is a good one. Amy read gull. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to say it.
Speaker 3: She says, do you visualize or did you visualize the
Speaker 3: ending of thee at the beginning of the show. Did
Speaker 3: you have an idea the way it was going to end?
Speaker 2: And did that?
Speaker 1: I'm sure it changed if you did.
Speaker 4: Hey, uh right, says he did. I certainly didn't. Certainly
Speaker 4: if I did, you know, what happened with Corey would
Speaker 4: have really changed that, like, would have been a big
Speaker 4: part of whatever that was. So I was really just
Speaker 4: trying to get to the next episode. And you know,
Speaker 4: seasons I thought I didn't think about at least the
Speaker 4: first three seasons. I thought about where they were ending, definitely,
Speaker 4: but the series who knows no that I didn't? Ryan
Speaker 4: says he didn't. I believe.
Speaker 1: I remember there was one, Oh it was one Nationals.
Speaker 1: I think it was the first Nationals, and I remember
Speaker 1: talking to you about and like, do we win? I'm like,
Speaker 1: where do you go from there? Jenna? You can't win?
Speaker 1: Where do you go from there? I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 4: I always thought about Rocky Rocky one, two, three, right,
Speaker 4: it was lose first, the new and second right.
Speaker 2: This makes a lot of sense. Bringing Rocky there you
Speaker 2: go story.
Speaker 4: Clearly this was the stray dude in the room with
Speaker 4: this cash.
Speaker 1: Was there a character you liked writing for the most.
Speaker 4: No, I loved all of them.
Speaker 1: Honestly, everybody.
Speaker 4: Everybody is in the moment, like every scene was generally
Speaker 4: so fun. That and and because we could have you
Speaker 4: guys do so much of anything and everybody. I don't know,
Speaker 4: I know, I love writing everybody, definitely. I mean I
Speaker 4: wrote soon, probably a couple a few times in the
Speaker 4: first season and then and then I deferred, but I
Speaker 4: didn't have a favorite.
Speaker 2: I have a question. This wasn't a fan question. Maybe
Speaker 2: should have said it was, as we're watching the show,
Speaker 2: you want to you want to go back? And oh yeah,
Speaker 2: here's a fan question. Why did you have no friends?
Speaker 2: Accept the kids in the glee club because it's creepy. Well,
Speaker 2: he asked a team to be his best man. Sir,
Speaker 2: you have no friends your own.
Speaker 4: At first, it was because his terry would never let
Speaker 4: him have friends. If he had a friend, friend would
Speaker 4: have said to him, why are you with this person?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: He sure he never had any friends, So at first
Speaker 4: it was that, and you know, it was hard. It's
Speaker 4: hard to him make friends and ohio there. I mean
Speaker 4: he I guess he had aga fellas with with what's
Speaker 4: his name, coach Tanaka, and but I think I think
Speaker 4: it was initially initially we just obviously worked and it
Speaker 4: didn't want to have a lot of stories and will
Speaker 4: out with friends like that's boring. But I would say that,
Speaker 4: I'll say the reason was just because his wife didn't
Speaker 4: let him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 2: I never really thought about it until he turns to
Speaker 2: Finn and it's like, will you be my best Man's
Speaker 2: like like mister shoe Pam, there's nobody else, and then
Speaker 2: the glee clubs, you're my best friends. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't think you should be saying we're.
Speaker 5: Like in his house, and I'm like, back in that day,
Speaker 5: I guess that that might have been okay if it
Speaker 5: was a group setting, but like these days.
Speaker 1: You can't be in a professor's house.
Speaker 2: A teacher's house was a strong word for him.
Speaker 1: Sorry teacher.
Speaker 4: My favorite is like nine or something at the time.
Speaker 4: He's so young, so he was.
Speaker 1: He's like the same. Yeah, he was like the same.
Speaker 3: We just care Corey, I think, but I thought it
Speaker 3: was funny that Matt couldn't like or mister shoe like couldn't.
Speaker 1: Really speak Spanish, but he was a Spanish teacher.
Speaker 2: Well, that's funny. It is funny.
Speaker 4: That was our That was our you know commentary on.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's this question was why was cheating always used?
Speaker 2: That's the only way to split up a couple? Yes, yeh,
Speaker 2: that's all right.
Speaker 4: Always that was the thing, and that was just good.
Speaker 2: It's like babies and breakups. He loves how many many breakups?
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 1: We asked all of our people. What is the feeling
Speaker 1: that Glee leaves you with?
Speaker 4: You mean, I mean the show or like our experience
Speaker 4: doing Glee? What's the feeling? Yes, it's as you said,
Speaker 4: it feels like family. To me, it just feels like
Speaker 4: like like we went through something together that was so
Speaker 4: extraordinary and so bonding and wonderfully complicated and wonderfully simple.
Speaker 4: And you know, the warmth I feel when I see
Speaker 4: your guys faces, it just reminds me of a time
Speaker 4: of life and of an experience that we had that
Speaker 4: that I feel incredibly proud of and positive about. And
Speaker 4: the fact that you know, new generations of people are
Speaker 4: now you know, keep enjoying the show and it sort
Speaker 4: of lives on in that way. It just makes me
Speaker 4: feel proud as a legacy thing that we did something
Speaker 4: that meant a lot to people and what it meant
Speaker 4: to us doing it is. Is it even a little
Speaker 4: bit more special like it was?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 6: It was?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a family and all it's ups and
Speaker 4: downs and almost mostly ups. So family, that's the feeling.
Speaker 4: What are yours?
Speaker 1: That is a good question, Kevin, What is your feeling?
Speaker 2: Oh damn, I can't steal family, now, can I?
Speaker 4: You're allowed.
Speaker 2: That's just it doesn't believe very much because you're the
Speaker 2: first person that you've As you said, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's how I feel where family just encompasses all of it,
Speaker 2: doesn't it, Because you have your ups and your downs.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you've all shared this
Speaker 2: same experience and therefore you have that much deeper and
Speaker 2: foundational relationship with one another that you won't have with
Speaker 2: other people in this specific way, and that feels like
Speaker 2: family and I'm very very grateful for it.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had such a great time together, and I
Speaker 2: also just remember how much fun it really was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we had so much fun. Yeah, and I would say,
Speaker 2: lucky is the other word, Like I just felt lucky,
Speaker 2: like every day driving through those gates at Paramount and
Speaker 2: at the beginning I always remember the beginning of seasons
Speaker 2: of like showing up like this is where I get
Speaker 2: to go, this is what I get to do, And
Speaker 2: this few moments where I was present and could remember
Speaker 2: that I just felt very, very very lucky to get
Speaker 2: to be on a show that I liked and was
Speaker 2: proud of as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shitty Paramount. It was a big, big get too,
Speaker 4: because it was such a great.
Speaker 2: Place to be, so magical, the most powerful.
Speaker 4: But I think also, as you said, it's you know,
Speaker 4: Ben jams of family, Like I would say, there's nobody
Speaker 4: if you you know, Ryan, Ian and I and the
Speaker 4: whole cast is if anybody were to call anybody and
Speaker 4: say I need you right now, everybody, Okay, what do
Speaker 4: you need? Yeah? Total years like that's that's I think
Speaker 4: what I take from it is that there is some
Speaker 4: that's almost unconscious there. It's never a no.
Speaker 1: For anybody, totally totally yep.
Speaker 3: I think my word would be formative, emotional, formative, moved,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think really influenced who I am today,
Speaker 3: how I see the world, how I see my my career,
Speaker 3: how I see my own like it really informed my
Speaker 3: own self love and worth and the work that I
Speaker 3: did and so but I also just like pure joy,
Speaker 3: like we had so many good memories and like to
Speaker 3: rewatch it. Now, I think my my some of like
Speaker 3: my subconscious stuck onto some of the sticky sickyer stuff,
Speaker 3: which was very minimal, but like to rewatch it has
Speaker 3: been so therapeutic and cathartic for me to like go
Speaker 3: back and be like, oh shit, that was awesome, Like
Speaker 3: I really look back and I go like, I wish
Speaker 3: I could do that again, Like I wish we could
Speaker 3: do regionals just.
Speaker 1: One more time.
Speaker 3: Like as much as we like groaned about those long days,
Speaker 3: like how cool was that?
Speaker 1: So it's very special? Yeah, well said, well okay, now
Speaker 1: I really do think that our time is coming to you.
Speaker 4: We had to get over and hour here we did.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for spending so much time with us.
Speaker 4: Anything, and that's what anything for you guys, really whatever
Speaker 4: you need and love you are you love you to you, guys.
Speaker 4: This is a pretty cool thing. And I think that
Speaker 4: was very popular and doing a really cool thing here.
Speaker 2: So thanks well, thanks to you know you and Ryan
Speaker 2: and Ian for supporting it and coming on. That means
Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah, well congrats, congrats everyone go watch About
Speaker 2: the Sun. If you haven't, go watch it.
Speaker 4: You might like yet I think I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just imagine the musical numbers where the fighting is exactly.
Speaker 2: Now that we know how it's made, it's really good.
Speaker 4: Thanks Chris, thank you.
Speaker 1: Thanks Brad, You're the best, the best, Brad fiul check everybody.
Speaker 2: You know, what's crazy?
Speaker 4: What is that?
Speaker 2: We've had a lot of emotional and depth talks about
Speaker 2: the show and people's experiences in it and with it,
Speaker 2: and Brad through all of that, even when things do
Speaker 2: get tough, he's always such a calming presence, very positive, yeah,
Speaker 2: and can acknowledge all of that stuff while still being like, okay,
Speaker 2: and what are we what is the spin of this?
Speaker 2: How do we get through this? Let's talk openly about
Speaker 2: all of it, but nobody get crazy or emotional like
Speaker 2: it's yeah, but I'm just.
Speaker 3: Happy to see he's like he's never changed, you know,
Speaker 3: not that any of them have, but like he's really
Speaker 3: his core values, his core self like has always been this.
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