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Speaker 1: And That's What You Really Missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to and That's What You Really miss Podcast. A

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Speaker 3: very special special special guest Santa.

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Speaker 1: Who do we have, Kevin?

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Speaker 2: We have Brad Foulchuck, one of the creators and writers

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Speaker 2: of Glee. He birthed us. Without him, who would we be?

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Speaker 2: We'd be nothing nothing. He has remained a constant friend,

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Speaker 2: source of stability. He's a wonderful human being and also

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Speaker 2: wildly talented. Wildly talented. He has a new show on

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Speaker 2: Netflix called Brother's Son. You should go watch it. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about it. He's just very, very good

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Speaker 2: and a very good person and so lucky that we

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Speaker 2: got to work with him for so long and still

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Speaker 2: can call him a friend. So here is Brad Faultchuck.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't even have an alias. He just comes on

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Speaker 1: as Brad felt Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Why would you have an alias?

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Speaker 1: Because he's famous.

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Speaker 2: I Jenna thinks you should have a zoom alias.

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Speaker 3: While you know, people come in and they were like,

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Speaker 3: you know, they picked like Harry Potter or something.

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Speaker 2: Who are you zooming with?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, some people come in with

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Speaker 1: weird names.

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Speaker 4: We travel. I've an alias, but not on zoom. On zoom,

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Speaker 4: I assume they know who like they like.

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Speaker 2: Somebody sent me the link to get on the zoom.

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Speaker 1: Okay, enough, I went to the zoom.

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Speaker 4: It was executives and stuff and a couple of writers

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Speaker 4: and there was a bunch of people in the meeting,

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Speaker 4: and about a third of the way in, somebody from

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Speaker 4: their side was sort of texting our sides saying, who's

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Speaker 4: the guy in the corner, and we're like, I have

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Speaker 4: nobous with you, and he goes a dude, know that

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Speaker 4: a meeting with those executives like the next day, but

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Speaker 4: somehow it got in the link and got into the

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Speaker 4: meeting and then just figured, I guess it's just stay,

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Speaker 4: So just stay. I was like, excuse me, you, I

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Speaker 4: think you should leave.

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Speaker 2: I want to know how that meeting went the next day, like, hey, it.

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Speaker 4: Was some animated thing he was pitching. I think they

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Speaker 4: didn't work with him, because yeah, the first thing he'd

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Speaker 4: say is I'm sorry, what am I doing here?

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Speaker 1: I don't belong here?

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Speaker 2: Or just leave, leave and send an email.

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Speaker 1: This isn't my meeting, wildy, It's good to see it,

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Speaker 1: good to see you.

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Speaker 4: Neither of you.

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's the problem for acting. We fall into no

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Speaker 2: man's life.

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Speaker 3: You're supposed to be adults now, but yeah, you're still children.

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Speaker 2: I'm somewhere between twenty five and thirty five.

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Speaker 1: I swear I'm a mom.

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Speaker 2: I swear when I'm in thirties.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 2: No, one buys it though. Look at that beautiful wood paneling.

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Speaker 2: Where are you, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, are we have we built like a barn in

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Speaker 4: our back for to have an office and to build it.

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Speaker 1: You were renovating when we were there the last time,

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Speaker 1: right started right.

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Speaker 4: Before COVID, Yeah, and stuff, and so my usual office.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that meetings right raised in my closet.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was thinking this was.

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Speaker 4: Maybe inappropriate to everybody looking at my clothes. I came

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Speaker 4: to the bar.

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Speaker 1: I love when you're in your closet.

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Speaker 4: That's all about. It'suickly. It's all bad, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to Glee, we need to talk about

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Speaker 2: is it the number two show on Netflix currently?

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Speaker 4: It is? Globally?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, it is, that's right. The Brother's Son. Yeah, congrats, thanks.

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Speaker 1: I mean I finished it in two days, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Excellent. It's designed to be finished quickly. It's designed for

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Speaker 4: Netflix to be binged.

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Speaker 1: Very good, very good.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what a stacked ass show and it has

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Speaker 2: how do you Jenn and I were just talking about

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Speaker 2: it because she's like, I don't know how to even

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Speaker 2: like describe the genre of show. Yes, because it has everything.

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Speaker 2: How do you describe it?

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Speaker 4: It's like, I guess you call it like an action

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Speaker 4: a comedy, gangs, family action comedy. My rule is always

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Speaker 4: is whatever the tone it needs to be right now,

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Speaker 4: have it be that tone, and if it's true, you're

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Speaker 4: how people react the way they should react. So if

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Speaker 4: then then it'll work. As long as it's actually funny.

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Speaker 4: And if it's you want to get emotional, you can

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Speaker 4: get emotional. If you want to have just a lot

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Speaker 4: of fun action, you can do it. As long as

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Speaker 4: as long as it's it's sort of true to the moment,

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Speaker 2: My brother doesn't text me about shit, and he text

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Speaker 2: me about the show and I was like, oh, Timmy's

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Speaker 2: watching brother son and they did it. Thank you reached

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Speaker 2: the straight right male audience in the forties. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: was like, this is weird. I don't I'm like, what

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But it's an all Asian writers room, all Asian cast,

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Speaker 3: well mainly Asian cast. Like, that's so cool, thanks, and

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Speaker 3: it means so much to me personally. It means so much.

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Speaker 3: It's really special to see. And then it's reaching the

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Speaker 3: masses and reaching Timmy McHale, that's powerful, Like that's exciting,

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Speaker 4: That was the intention was to make something that everybody

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Speaker 4: could enjoy, but Asian people would be like, my goodness,

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Speaker 4: I see me, I see me. It's not Asian. We

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Speaker 4: can see like I see you now, I understand you.

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Speaker 4: That was the intention, and it only works. It's also

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Speaker 4: the Tim Michael's the world also love it because we

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Speaker 4: have to have lots of people for it for it

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Speaker 1: Well, it's got everything.

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Speaker 3: It's got a little bit of everything, and there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of action, a lot of really good fight scenes,

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Speaker 3: a lot of really goory deaths, but like also a

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Speaker 3: family story, right, it's like the brother and a mother

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited for you.

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Speaker 4: And that was sort of the same thing if we

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Speaker 4: look at it, you know, I know we're talking directly too.

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Speaker 4: Is that the best musical numbers on Glee were the

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Speaker 4: ones that had a story behind them where you something

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Speaker 4: about And so the action sequences in The Brother's Son

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Speaker 4: let's do another number, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so another fight sequence.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's just say it be fun. We can do

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Speaker 4: the fighting. It's like, well, unless there's some emotional reason

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Speaker 4: And so that was the that was always my approach

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Speaker 2: How was it working on a show with so much action?

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Speaker 2: I feel like we did we to be the most

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Speaker 2: we did it on Glee.

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Speaker 4: It's the same thing, right, I mean.

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Speaker 2: I mean it looks quite different, So I guess from

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's okay, we have on the script this

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Then you put the actors through it where they're rehearsing

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Speaker 4: it's going to take. I mean, the difference was obviously

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Speaker 4: with some of the Glee musical numbers. You're shooting in

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Speaker 4: But it's basically the exact same weight you know, approach

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Speaker 4: to shooting very very similar, you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well that big fight scene with like the meeting

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Speaker 4: Surprisingly, I think I think we shot that whole thing,

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Speaker 4: including the dialogue, in four days. We did. We did it.

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Speaker 4: we didn't have the money to take two weeks to

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Speaker 4: It was a pretty big achievement to Shore days with

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Speaker 4: alone takes a day.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, there's just a lot of people, you guys had.

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Speaker 5: It's like a big cast at that point.

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Speaker 2: There's one thing we can do. It's a big cast.

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Speaker 1: A lot of painting, a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of painting, Like, oh, I know how to do this,

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Speaker 2: leave it to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, everybody go watch brother Son.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it's really really fun and there's just something

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I like and it's very easy to watch and

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Speaker 1: it flies by.

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Speaker 4: It's very proud of you.

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Speaker 2: You should be so proud. It's such a great show

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Speaker 2: and everybody loves it, like the most universally liked thing.

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Speaker 4: I'll take it.

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Speaker 5: Let's just talk abugly for a little bit. Okay, just

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Speaker 5: a touch a little bit.

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Speaker 2: If you're ready.

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Speaker 4: I'm ready, I'm ready. Please, How can I help?

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Speaker 2: First of all, let me just say that is Brad's

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Speaker 2: like default setting, which I think people should know about you,

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Speaker 2: is that how can I help? Which you meet a

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Speaker 2: lot of people in this business who don't do, not

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Speaker 2: first one to say how can I help and means it.

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Speaker 2: And you're wildly successful. You've been doing this for a

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Speaker 2: while now and you don't have to be that nice

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Speaker 2: and you always are and it's very much appreciated.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, and thank you.

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Speaker 1: The world should know. Brad would be the first one

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Speaker 1: that we would go to.

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Speaker 4: That's lots of thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 4: Does I think, I don't know? I think I think you.

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Speaker 4: I'm always I always appreciate it. Put focus on process,

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Speaker 4: not results, So the results full comedy focus on process

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Speaker 4: and that processes how's everybody's experience of doing whatever we're doing?

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Speaker 4: M and so well, I think when you think about

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Speaker 4: way to get to making everybody you know, to results.

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Speaker 4: And so I don't know, And also like this is

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Speaker 4: an insane thing that we've all chosen to do right,

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Speaker 4: and so we have to support you. And also when

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Speaker 4: you become the old person, have a response to.

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Speaker 2: Her to lead. You're not there yet, You're not the

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Speaker 4: a lot of episodes of we were really producing that

441
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 4: show and a lot more responsibility. So I understood, you know,

442
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 4: a lot about about running and about certainly I understood

443
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 4: a lot about producing and directing and writing TV. So

444
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 4: that part was pretty clear. But then you know, success

445
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 4: is you know, managing success is a is a separate

446
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 4: from any experience you have that's about you as a

447
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 4: human being, right, And where are you? What place are

448
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 4: you in as a human being? Can Are you in

449
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 4: a place where you can be measured about what's happening?

450
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 4: Are you a place where you're going to be affected

451
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 4: by the what's coming in from the outside, world, and

452
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 4: I don't. I think I struggled to be measured. I

453
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 4: think because I was just confused, like what's happening and

454
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 4: like you said, it's big, and what part of this

455
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 4: is me and taking credit to myself for this? Should

456
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 4: I feel better about myself about this? Should I demand

457
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 4: more for this? What? What? Why? Why does it feel

458
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 4: not feel good? Why does this feel better than this?

459
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: And so it's just a really confusing moment. I just

460
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 4: think I think success more than success, real success and

461
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 4: real failure is a thing that brings out all of

462
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: your stuff. Who you are is determined by how you

463
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 4: behave in success and failure and so and so the

464
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 4: learning experience of what it meant to be that kind

465
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 4: of successful through Glee was really helpful to me to

466
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 4: sort of be understanding who I am, what was important

467
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 4: to me with my values were because you get caught

468
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 4: up in the values that aren't yours, about ego and

469
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: money and power and influence and fame. It's like, those

470
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 4: are those are not at my core, not my values.

471
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 4: But it's so hard not to be caring about that

472
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 4: stuff when there's so much coming your way. So the

473
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 4: answer is it was chaos, and it was chaos. When

474
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 4: all that was happening, You're also trying to make twenty

475
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 4: episodes of a show that's almost impossible to make at

476
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 4: the same time, and there's three of us reading every episode,

477
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 4: and we're directing multiple episodes at the same time, and

478
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 4: Niptuck is still going on, and then American Hart Story starts.

479
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 4: So it was it was chaos. It was with a

480
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 4: marriage foling part at the same time, like really great stuff.

481
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: It was really good.

482
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: I wasn't going to say that exactly, but I was

483
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: going to say, I don't understand how you guys wrote

484
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: forty four episodes without anybody else, on top of managing

485
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: the business of it all, on top of doing Niptok,

486
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: on top of American Horror Story starting. It was hard

487
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: for us, and we we had a very like being

488
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: an actor, it's pretty cut and drive, what your responsibility is?

489
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 2: You on the other side of it, had a slew

490
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: of responsibilities all over the place, and we could barely

491
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: manage our personal lives. So I don't know how any

492
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: of you had any sort of life outside of just work.

493
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: Like I just like they must be sleeping in their

494
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: offices because I don't know, like, what would you were juggling.

495
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 4: We were fortunate to have each other, right, Like, like

496
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 4: the three of us were really you know, not to

497
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 4: be not to sound arrogant about it, were really really

498
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 4: good at our jobs. Like we could break it down

499
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 4: really quickly. Ryan was really fast at breaking episodes, and

500
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 4: he and I were really fast at writing, so we

501
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 4: could you know, you know, we could do a lot.

502
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 4: We can We can do an episode in a week

503
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 4: that we had to be doing three days that we had,

504
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 4: So we didn't often do that, but we could. So

505
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: we were able to stay sort of on target because each

506
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: of us did what we had to do very well.

507
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 4: If you took any one of us out of that equation,

508
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 4: we would have been in trouble, which I've left in

509
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 4: and on our own, we would have been in trouble.

510
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 4: If you just run on his own, he would have

511
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 4: been in trouble. If you take Anan out, I would

512
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 4: have really struggled and Ryan would have really struggled. So

513
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 4: so was that and then and where are the parties?

514
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 4: Like I would get up really early in the morning

515
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: and I would I would cook dinner with my daughter

516
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: for that night. So home we would then you know,

517
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: hang out and we have dinner made, and then I

518
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 4: bath at bedtime, and then after all that, I would

519
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: start writing for the night, and I'd stay up till whatever,

520
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 4: till eleven thirty or midnight writing and then you get

521
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 4: it up in the morning. You do the same thing again,

522
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 4: and you just find time different. I just found times

523
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 4: at the time to do it, and because we were

524
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 4: pretty efficient at what we were working on, we could

525
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 4: do it. And then you know, making sure not to

526
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: direct too many episodes so that I wasn't away from

527
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 4: home and the kids too much, and having the kids

528
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 4: come to the set, which you guys remember around now.

529
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: You just are usual humans now.

530
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: Make it work. Yeah, and adults, it's crazy. You guys

531
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: made it work. You have to make it work.

532
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 4: You don't, you know, don't hope and there's a problem.

533
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: But we none of us were people that thought it

534
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 4: was appropriate to stay in a writer's room until nine pm.

535
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 4: It's just not what we did. Go have a life,

536
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 4: go have dinner, or goat see your kids, all those things.

537
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: And we just all had to set shared that value.

538
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 4: It was like, no, let's get this done now, and

539
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 4: let's get it done in a smart way. So if

540
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 4: we broke one story of a day. Let's not keep going.

541
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: We got it. We let's move on. And again, we

542
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 4: were just really lucky to have each other and uh

543
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 4: and to understand the show, and then also to have

544
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: you guys where we know you guys can pull it off.

545
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: That's very nice.

546
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 2: We most have been asses though we were because we

547
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 2: were probably you're getting our text emails, We're like, what

548
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 2: is happening with this thing and that thing?

549
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 4: You know?

550
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was funny.

551
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: No, I mean no, you guys, you guys were I know.

552
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel so silly now. It feels so dumb

553
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: to look back and be like, I don't have a

554
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: song this week. It's like, you guys are you families?

555
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 4: But you know, but but you need all that, right,

556
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 4: you need attention that because because we're we're dealing with

557
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: casts and trying to stay ahead of the things and

558
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: we're not thinking of everything. And if and if Jenna

559
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 4: hasn't had a song in a few episodes, well that's

560
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: wrong because not because we like Jenna went over the

561
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 4: that the audience wants to see Jana sing, so she

562
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: should remind us that because otherwise we're just gonna just

563
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 4: not roll Yet, you know what's spend that many episodes?

564
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: We don't, you know, it's not top of mind.

565
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: There's eighteen of us.

566
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: A lot of us.

567
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, multiplying, Yeah, it was you guys weren't paying that.

568
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: You two certainly weren't paying.

569
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: The Sometimes we have guest guest stars on and you know,

570
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: some like Damien and Samuel and you know, all those

571
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: guys and we.

572
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: Have to ask them like were we nice to you?

573
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 5: And and I'm like, oh, thank god, truly, because there

574
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 5: were some unhinged moments where you go, I could have

575
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 5: I really could have been an.

576
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: Asshole in that moment, and I don't know if I was,

577
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: And I'm so grateful I wasn't.

578
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 4: And you two were assholes to anybody who who would

579
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: you ever have been assholes to you?

580
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 3: You know, it's just your You get really comfortable with

581
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: your environment. That's a second home for you. Those people

582
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: you see every day, they're seeing you at crying, they're

583
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 3: seeing you and costumes painted face, it's just crazy. So

584
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 3: you do get comfortable with them, and I think you

585
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: get sometimes you can get a little too comfortable.

586
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: They's like an emotional shorthand where you can with crew

587
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: members and things you can let your guard down. Fully. Yeah,

588
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: she probably wouldn't normally do in professional environments, but because

589
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: we were all together so often, so when someone new

590
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: comes around, you're like, I don't know if I know

591
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: how to be a normal functional professional.

592
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: You're detective of our family and our home. Right there's

593
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: you know, you have like Andrew and Penny and you're like,

594
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: don't speak to them that way, or like you know,

595
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: you're like, I say something to Andrew that I didn't

596
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: mean because I was tired. You know, there's just things

597
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: that you think about and you're like, they keep me

598
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: up at nights sometimes because I'm like, I hope I

599
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: was a really good person to these people because they're

600
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: looking at it now hindsight, like not being on the

601
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: show anymore and having enough space and time to go like, wow,

602
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: look what we did, and look what they did being

603
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: away from their families. Like we didn't have kids at

604
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: the time, there wasn't our stakes were a little bit lower,

605
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: and you know, there wasn't as much you know, time

606
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: wasn't as precious to me, I think as it was

607
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: to Andrew with a kid at home, so or were

608
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: you with a kid at home?

609
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: So there's it's it's it's different now.

610
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 4: I just think you need to he needs to give yourself,

611
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 4: and it's yeah, I mean you're very young, and first

612
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: of all, I'm sure you didn't do anything the gregious

613
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 4: in anyway, but but it's it's it's like except the

614
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: whole thing for what it was and who you were

615
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: and how it led to you being who you are now.

616
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: And and definitely there mind somebody still holds a garage.

617
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: But that's you know, you got to forgive yourself.

618
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: There's not ours. Yeah, exactly, you're right there. He is

619
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: again just.

620
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: Throwing the nuggets out. Maybe he is the old sense.

621
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: There was a point in season two where it felt

622
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: like some of our personal things started to end up

623
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: in some of the stories.

624
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

625
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not asking you to confirm or deny how

626
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: did that happen?

627
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you know, like you know they

628
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: say that you know these psychics that have these you

629
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: know that you come to the theater and they say,

630
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: I'm sensing you have and you and you find it.

631
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: Actually they bug the lobby. I want to talk to

632
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 4: my dead mom. They know we just you know, we

633
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: were on the set with you guys and we would

634
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: listen and you'd say something would say a light and

635
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 4: that like I'll steal that, or you about your personal

636
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: life and say that's there's something rich there that we

637
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: can play with. And so it was absolute theft. It

638
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 4: was just in this theft.

639
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I have to say it was funny

640
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: like during season two, every week some would open the

641
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: script and be like you'd hear it, no, like, oh shit,

642
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: it's that weak.

643
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: I think it's part of what we responded to the

644
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: show is there was something just so personal to everybody

645
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 4: a bout and then you guys would play whatever it

646
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: was with so much fun and with such a wink

647
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: like you never you never played it the way it

648
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: actually was happening to you in your life, and you've

649
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 4: got that there was something. We were doing a fun

650
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 4: version of that, and hopefully it helped process whatever was

651
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: going on. But we you know, we had to do

652
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: a lot of episodes that you've got to find story

653
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 4: ideas somewhere, and it's funny, that's something to us, and

654
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: we were on the set. We would run back to

655
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: the office. You're like, you're not going to believe this is.

656
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: That's how it happened.

657
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm glad it was that exciting because I would hope

658
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: it would be like that.

659
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: You guys, you listen to this ship or you'd.

660
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: Be writing and you know, Kemblo said something to me,

661
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: and I'll be writing an already scene and like, oh this,

662
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: this would be really funny if if it already says this,

663
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 4: because what Kevin just told me, it be fun.

664
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: But see, it's easy to imagine Ryan doing that because

665
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: he was like very obvious about it, where we'd be like,

666
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: look at Naya do this bit and then it would

667
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: end up in the show. But you're so like unassuming

668
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: and ian too that it's harder to imagine you two

669
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: doing it. It makes me feel better that you all

670
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: were doing it.

671
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just wasn't. It wasn't. We weren't maybe weren't

672
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: doing it as gossip he or as you know, no

673
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 4: good at drawing it out. You were listening to what

674
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 4: felt like a good story, and we would never have

675
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 4: done anything to hurt you guys, or something was that

676
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 4: was too personal that would have been difficult. Whether it's

677
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: super private, but if you're you know, he happened about

678
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: it on the set, sitting in the chairs like it's

679
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 4: fair game.

680
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair that.

681
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: There was one day where.

682
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: There was.

683
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: A producer who worked on the show that wasn't one

684
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: of you three, and he came in. He told he's like, hey,

685
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: I heard this about this person at that person. I

686
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: was like, actually, no, that's not true at all, and

687
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: then alluded to like other people talking about I was like,

688
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: wait a minute, you guys, Jenna, is he trying to

689
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: stir shiit up just to see how we react?

690
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: Yes, And I was like looking for truth.

691
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 2: Never confirmed true, he was looking for things, but I

692
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: was like, is this how they're doing it? Is this

693
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: how they're finding things? I was like, No, we were

694
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: so loud and talking about everything all the time. You

695
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: didn't need to be clever with us. We didn't know.

696
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 4: No that weird to do that to try and stir

697
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: it up.

698
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: Yes, no, no, no, you were so we told you everything.

699
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: It was great. Yeah, it was. It was a really

700
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 4: really fun set in that way, like it really was,

701
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: and you know, eighty five percent of the time was

702
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 4: the most fun place to be. You know, yeah, problems,

703
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: but for for a for a it's either it's either

704
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 4: never fun because you're just doing work, or it's chaotic

705
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 4: or it's fun sometimes, but this was mostly all really

706
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 4: raw and free and easy and fun and then you know, uh,

707
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 4: and it's pretty good numbers, I think, considering whatever part

708
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 4: of me shorking.

709
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what people forget, and I think

710
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: people who listen to this, it's easy to remember all

711
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: the sort of more negative things that may have might

712
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: have come out afterwards, or eighty five percent of its joy. Yeah,

713
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: it was just a blast. And we were idiots and

714
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 2: we were getting to be clowns and sing and dance

715
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: and wear wigs and mustaches like things you dream about

716
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 2: when you were a little kid. Like we, you guys

717
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: felt like you could do anything on the show and

718
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: it would work because then you would throw in some

719
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: really grounded, moving, heartfelt shit that really mattered, and the

720
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: rest of us are like do do do do do?

721
00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: Look at us?

722
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 4: And you also fully committed to anything. Frony, if you

723
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: the Gaga episode, you're gonna send it to the Bully

724
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 4: all dressed as Gag and everybody is sort of nobody

725
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 4: is feeling like in it, like my costume, I why

726
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 4: they have this? What I don't want it? It's like

727
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 4: everybody is, you know, is so true we're together.

728
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and it was I.

729
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 4: Mean you ever sent us even two small numbers. That

730
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 4: was a really fun time.

731
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: Yes.

732
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: And everybody was really good to each other for the

733
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: most part, you know.

734
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, especially like somebody like Cory who across the

735
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 5: board on the show, on this podcast in particular, there's

736
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 5: always somebody that everybody has to say something about Corey

737
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 5: and how he went out of his way to bring

738
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 5: them into the group or make them feel included, or

739
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 5: you know, was being a leader in some way. He

740
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 5: did it so quietly that we I don't think we

741
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 5: even realized what he was doing. But when you see

742
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 5: Corey and like red late text with like glitter.

743
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: Around his eyes, like giving you the performance of his life,

744
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm here, you know, like I got to

745
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 3: do this too.

746
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. That's really that's true leadership. I mean, were you

747
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: really were all leaders there? You really were, some louder

748
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 4: than others. But I do think the way that everybody

749
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 4: acted and encouraged everyone else to to to push themselves

750
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 4: and to have fun and all that. And before you

751
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 4: obviously he really he really was. I never would tell

752
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 4: you what to do. He was the kind of leader

753
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 4: that you just knew were counting on energetically to to

754
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 4: sort of steer everybody in the right place and keep

755
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 4: everybody in line in the right way, and always a

756
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 4: sense of humor. And you know, yes, I just I

757
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: don't think you can find anybody who worked on that

758
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: show that didn't wouldn't pick him as as somebody who who.

759
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: Was kind to him, you know, ye, yep, totally did.

760
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: You did you know he was doing that sort of

761
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: behind Like we just found out recently with you know,

762
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: like the newer cast members that came onto the show,

763
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: that he would take them out to lunch and check

764
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: in with them and make sure they're okay, And we

765
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: had no idea.

766
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't remember. I can't remember if I knew.

767
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think so, because he just wasn't

768
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 4: He wasn't publicizing that. That wasn't no thing at all,

769
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 4: and he wasn't coming us and say how can I help?

770
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: He just was doing it right, Yeah, that's right.

771
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: See, that's like someone like you said, were Sometimes people

772
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: are just born with the gifts of how to lead

773
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: or how to run things, And like there's someone right

774
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: there who ye purely oozed that at all at all?

775
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: Times knew how to do that, and Jenna and I

776
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: were just like.

777
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 4: You guys were leading to in your own way. He

778
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 4: just he took a different tact. But like what we're

779
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 4: describing about how fun it was and how together everybody

780
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: felt and I committed, everyone was like you guys were

781
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 4: leading that, you know, very specifically leading that, and like

782
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 4: you know, there was never a night that was too

783
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 4: late for either of you. There was never a slushy

784
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 4: that was one too many slushies for either of you.

785
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

786
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: Well, well, well but then.

787
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 4: There was never there's never neither of you rolls your eyes.

788
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 4: Can we do one more? Take tims of one more?

789
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: You were just great, let's do it. You know, so

790
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 4: leadership too.

791
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: Thanks.

792
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: How was that from the directing side? You obviously wrote

793
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: it from the very beginning, and you started directing from

794
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: the very beginning. Does that perspective of getting to work

795
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: with the crew and on the set sort of then

796
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: inform what you're taking back to you know, the writers

797
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: room from there on out.

798
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 4: Certainly, because then you have a much more personal relationship

799
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 4: with you guys, and so you know where your strengths

800
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 4: are and where areas that maybe we could poke around

801
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 4: a little bit and where places where we could you know,

802
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 4: this place is further to grow, and so really helps

803
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: a lot. There's nothing better than show running writing directly

804
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 4: because then you're literally is nobody standing behind you saying

805
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: we'll try this instead of this like you're we're from

806
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: the moment of your imagination to the moment he gets

807
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 4: on the air. You've done all of that, right, So

808
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: that's the I would recommend anybody who can that. That's

809
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 4: the goal. Uh, you want to really have some artistic

810
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 4: control working in television and film is being able to

811
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 4: do that?

812
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

813
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you love directing? Like you started out writing?

814
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: How did directing come into it?

815
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 4: Ryan has always been great about breaking people as directors,

816
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 4: and we were on Nip Talk. He sort of asked

817
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 4: all the writers who wants to direct this season? And

818
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 4: he was season three and we all put our hands up,

819
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 4: and so he just get shot and Mike rob and

820
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: Greuce Shepherd were there, and they were my problem was

821
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: very very supportive of new directors, and he's a great

822
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 4: director and sort of shepherding people and making sure they

823
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 4: don't fail. And so just started directing, and.

824
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: You know, I think you did that with Matt too,

825
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 3: you know we did with Matt and uh and I

826
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: think a few.

827
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: Right now literally directed before. And so you either have

828
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 4: the sort of skill to be able to communicate what

829
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: you're trying to do to accrue into a cast. And

830
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 4: so if you can do that and you have some

831
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 4: vision that I think directing is is not that hard

832
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 4: if the script is good. I mean, I love I

833
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: love directing. I do not like the physical strain of directing.

834
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 4: The hours days in a row. It's not I'm not

835
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 4: built for that. But the but the thing of the

836
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 4: scene that I wrote, and now we're sitting and rehearsing

837
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: it and we're coming up with how to do it

838
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: and then watching it and how to shoot it, that's

839
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 4: really really fun. I probably couldn't do it for more

840
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 4: than you know, an episode at a time here and there.

841
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: It's a lot.

842
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: I really loved when you directed because you were someone

843
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: who I I'm like, I don't know how you how

844
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: you do this? You know, watching people work at that

845
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: level and all the different departments is really my boggling

846
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: and humbling, Like everybody is so good at everything they're doing,

847
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: and you were the only person I felt comfortable distracting, interrupting,

848
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: and so like how how are you doing this? And

849
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: then you'd sit there with me and be like, well,

850
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: how would you set up this shot? Like how do

851
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: we normally shoot weird in the auditorium? How would you

852
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: do this? Like well you do the wide shot version,

853
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: like yeah, and then like right, okay, there's a little

854
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: formula here. They're like, yeah, you know how we do this.

855
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: You could do this, But it wasn't until you know,

856
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: people take the time to speak to you in that

857
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: way to like work through like, oh, is this something

858
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: I'm interested in? Is this I'm starting to understand this

859
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: at a deeper level, which I think then helps us

860
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: as actors as well understanding your point of view as

861
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: the director or the writer or the showrunner, producer, whatever

862
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: it may be. So it's nice to have someone in

863
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: charge that takes the time to sit with a lowly

864
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: subject like me to you know, talk through those things,

865
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: because it also is just fascinating, like especially on Glee

866
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: where you see those sets, the scale of the thing

867
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 2: we're doing every day, and to be able to talk

868
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: to people who are at you know, the pinnacle of

869
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: I mean, they're the best at what they do. Right,

870
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: and so to get to see that be around it

871
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: feel like creative energy even if we're doing silly shit.

872
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of expertise to do that, and

873
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: it was always very humbling to see that.

874
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: I mean those guest directors, I bowed down to them

875
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: now because like you're in it from an action point

876
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 3: of view, we know the formula, we knew how to

877
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 3: do a musical number, like we could have directed those

878
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: all day and night. But I'm telling you, and you

879
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: come in for the first time to do Glee, that

880
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: is scary shit.

881
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: Like who knows how to shoot musical?

882
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: Now?

883
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: How do you make your days that period?

884
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: Truly, it was like Beaker insults.

885
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: Yes, they were really good, because you make your days

886
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 4: by knowing what you need and by trusting yourself. Right,

887
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 4: where people can go off the rails is if they're like,

888
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 4: I don't know if I have it yet, so I'm

889
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 4: going to do another one. I'm going to get another angle,

890
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 4: because what if what if they don't have enough when

891
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 4: they get in the edit room, you just have to

892
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: know like I have it, I have it, and and

893
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: when I direct it's it's There are times when we'll

894
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 4: do one take of one angle and I say, I

895
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 4: have it. I'm going to keep shootings. I need to

896
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 4: edit this all together. But what really needs to happen

897
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 4: in the scene is I need one reaction from Jenna

898
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 4: saying this line one way and the scene will work.

899
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 4: And the rest is just it's just you know math,

900
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 4: and so you just have to know when that is

901
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 4: and when the scene is really done, and then you

902
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 4: and then you put the pieces together and then you

903
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 4: can go. But that can be that could obviously be

904
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 4: in one shot, that could be in twenty shots. But

905
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 4: where the directors can really fall down is in being

906
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 4: if you're unsure of yourself, you're screwed.

907
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, totally screwed.

908
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: Well, Jin, here's a little Lee was a family, and

909
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 3: then you met more family. You met your wife. Yeah,

910
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 3: the coolest.

911
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: You're married to.

912
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: Gwynn with Paltrow. Still I have to say her full name,

913
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: but she's so cool. You guys are just so cool together.

914
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: It makes sense to me, And like after meeting her

915
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: and her coming on the set and being so awesome

916
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: and us being like, oh, that's that was awesome.

917
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: I hope she comes back again. I'm not going to

918
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: ask you to get into details of Mae like, but like.

919
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: What was that like meeting her and and like having

920
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: your journey, you know, and like ending of literally marrying.

921
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 4: Well, I mean when we I think what I think

922
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 4: it was like meeting her was the same reason why

923
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 4: many years later we ended up, you know, getting married,

924
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: was that we just had a real you know. I

925
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 4: remember the first day we were shooting, and I think

926
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 4: she was being that marytime Lincoln thing, and it was

927
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 4: it was one of those one of those blessed Let's story.

928
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 4: Chris baf is incredibly talented, deep, but sometimes could be

929
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 4: a little bit slow. Yeah, And so it was just

930
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 4: one of those nights and so we just we were

931
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 4: just and I think I can't remember. Ryan had to

932
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: go somewhere and he was freighting, so I was I

933
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 4: had to set that that that night, and we just

934
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 4: started talking and it was a real ease and we

935
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 4: were just we just became friends. And so then every

936
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 4: time she would come back to shoot, we were excited

937
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 4: to see each other and say, hey, how you doing,

938
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 4: and and we just developed this really you know, comfortable friendship.

939
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 4: Then sort of going on as the as the you know,

940
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 4: when she wasn't there, we would just sort of send

941
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 4: emails to each other, Hey, check this out or know

942
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 4: the things that people do.

943
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and.

944
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 4: You know, we're both going through our own personal journeys

945
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 4: at home, right or what they were. And then and

946
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: then at some point we were both single and we

947
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 4: were already really good friends, and we were like, why

948
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 4: don't we go on a date? You know, let's see

949
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 4: because everything we'd already talked about so much, we already

950
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 4: knew each other so well, and there was there was

951
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 4: never and be able to become friends like that without

952
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 4: any of the you know, the trouble of you know,

953
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 4: of any romantic entanglements, like two people who really like

954
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 4: each other and are friends and now you're going on

955
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: a date, and it just it just from there, it

956
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 4: was really clear. But we just, like I said, the

957
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 4: reason why we're married is because we like each other

958
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 4: so much as people, I mean, other things, but that's

959
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: that's the core of it. And so that was like

960
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: me and her was like I like this person a lot,

961
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 4: and she's like I like this person a lot. This

962
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 4: guy's cool, she's cool. Let's let's be friends.

963
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.

964
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 2: You are two of the coolest people ever, very chill,

965
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: and you like to together. You got Oh my god,

966
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: Like going over to hang out with you guys is

967
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: just so.

968
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: Chill, so chill, wet, you know, a very chill environment.

969
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 4: Welcome, can come over, sit at the table, talk about everything.

970
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, teach me about passover, teaching me exactly about whatever

971
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 7: it may be. And you know, we just like to

972
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 7: to share ourselves with people we care about and to

973
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 7: bring really interesting people around and also to impart the

974
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 7: wisdom of multiple multiple failures and mistakes too.

975
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: We can't well, you guys are both really good listeners.

976
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: I think that's something I've learned about the both of you,

977
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: and so it makes for really a really good connection

978
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 3: I think together, I'm sure.

979
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: But also like for us and for us to talk

980
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: to you, like it's just like we feel very herd and.

981
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 5: Good for me at least, and like even you know, David,

982
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 5: he's like, wow, I just like they're just really good people.

983
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 5: And I feel hard and I feel seen, and like,

984
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 5: you know, there's all this hullabaloo above, you know, the

985
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 5: the industry and you guys and being who you are

986
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 5: that it's very grounded, like your your home is very grounded.

987
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 5: You guys are very grounded. So it's a testament to

988
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 5: like I think, why you guys pair so well together.

989
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 4: Thanks?

990
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: Thanks, Yeah, but it must be really special to have

991
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 3: like meeting Gwynneth also on your baby Glee, like just

992
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: having all those really special moments kind of entangled together.

993
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 4: It's nice. It's nice. And and thank you for saying

994
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 4: that about us, because it really that's the that's what

995
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 4: we're trying, and that's our intention and all of our

996
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 4: relationships and is that people really feel seen and heard

997
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: by us. And we're pretty fastidious about about, you know,

998
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 4: making sure we're not spread too things so that we

999
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: can just be with the people who really care about

1000
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 4: and people that really give all of ourselves too. And

1001
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 4: so and I'm I mean, he said, imagine I get

1002
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 4: to I get her listening to me, you know, hursing me.

1003
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 4: So what I mean, she's yeah, how could I how

1004
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 4: could I? How could I not be you know standing?

1005
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: You nailed it. Yeah, proud of you. You did a

1006
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 2: great job.

1007
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 4: I know, anything to show this that there I know, like,

1008
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 4: you know, yeah.

1009
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 2: You crushed it. I think another like testament to people's

1010
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: character is how cool your kids are. And like your family,

1011
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: those kids, the combined kids are all just so cool

1012
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: and very individual and unique. And also since they were

1013
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: little it could sit with you and talk like they

1014
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: were adults. But also kids like just really well balanced.

1015
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, when the kids come to set, you're like,

1016
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: how old are you? Yeah, how do you know that? No,

1017
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: they're really cool.

1018
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 4: We love this and like nothing better now, all you know,

1019
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 4: we we each we each were able to gain me,

1020
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 4: you know, two more kids in our lives. Uh, you know.

1021
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 4: And being a step parent is his own special thing.

1022
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: And to be able to really raise other kids will

1023
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 4: be part of raising other kids that that aren't yours

1024
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 4: but are yours is really incredible. And and and and

1025
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: all four kids rely on the two of us in

1026
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 4: a very specific way. They have four parents they can

1027
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 4: all rely on, and the way they come to us, right,

1028
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 4: it's just we love it and we love them. We're

1029
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 4: all sitting at the dinner table together and they're all

1030
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 4: their own characters.

1031
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: They're great.

1032
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 6: Love that.

1033
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: It was like last time we were with you guys,

1034
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: and all the kids are maybe almost all the kids

1035
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: were there, and it was the first time we'd been

1036
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: with like that many of them at once, and just

1037
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 2: hearing them talk to us like this, is hilarious because

1038
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: also I've been a while since izing.

1039
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: Some of them.

1040
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: It's like you guys in years. I mean, I know

1041
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: what is happening.

1042
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 4: It's insane. They're grown ups. I mean, all this year

1043
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 4: it'll all be out as will be empty nest.

1044
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, no time I heard it. It seems crazy now

1045
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: to look back now that we're these ages and think

1046
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: about how, yeah, you went from being a staff writer

1047
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: to creating this show with Ryan, and how many shows

1048
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 2: have you done together?

1049
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 4: We did I don't care, so we worked on it together.

1050
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 4: That's his shows Pretty Handsome, which didn't go We did Glee,

1051
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 4: We did an American Horror Story. We did American Heart

1052
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 4: Stories now, which is that sort of spin off. We

1053
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 4: did Politician, did Pose, We did screen Queens.

1054
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: Uh huh uh. And I'm one and one long Start,

1055
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god, A lot, a lot, my god.

1056
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 4: Great.

1057
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: I'm also currently watching Dahmer right now.

1058
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 4: Is great.

1059
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 3: That's him and I him and Ian. Right you are

1060
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: still there, you know, y'all are still there. And then

1061
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: they had ahead in the freezer, and then your show

1062
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 3: had ahead in the freezing. I was like, you're all,

1063
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 3: it's synergistic.

1064
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 4: Here, you know, you go ahead some freezer.

1065
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: I love having it. Who's posting?

1066
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 6: Was it?

1067
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 2: Aaron was posting the head in the freezer? The makeup work?

1068
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it was so great the show. It's awesome.

1069
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: Must be so nice to like have all of our family,

1070
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 3: you know, Gleam and I'm sure they work on and everything.

1071
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 4: That was awesome. It's always that's what's so wonderful about

1072
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 4: working long enough, and you build these relationships to people

1073
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 4: that you love working with and if you're lucky, they're

1074
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 4: free to work right.

1075
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 6: You know.

1076
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 3: Well, when I was shadowing Beaker on Horror Story, I

1077
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: got to see Brad in his office. We were they

1078
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: were going over tone and they were having a little

1079
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 3: tone meeting. And then like you had Penny and Ben

1080
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: and Andrew and you're like, I mean, what's better, what's better?

1081
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: And then Beaker it's like watching him do his thing.

1082
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: It's so cool.

1083
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, good people.

1084
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: So when I did Horror Stories and you have like

1085
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: Buele was there, Like do you know I could just

1086
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: stay here forever? Yeah? It was great. And also I

1087
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: think that's such a beautiful thing and says a lot

1088
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: about all of you that there's so little turnover in

1089
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: that crew. People keep wanting to come back, you know,

1090
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: says processes.

1091
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: Everything focus on press, Yes has it?

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Speaker 2: How has it been? You're not out on your own?

1093
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: You know you doing brothers son by yourself? How has

1094
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: that been?

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00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 4: By It's it's it's harder, right because because you know,

1096
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 4: when you have a team, especially like one that's done

1097
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 4: so much, everybody can basically focus on what they do

1098
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 4: well and not really worry about doing the stuff you

1099
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 4: don't do well. And so when you're on your own something,

1100
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 4: you have to do all the stuff that you haven't

1101
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 4: the muscles you haven't exercised. But you know what I

1102
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 4: love is feeble to take all the wisdom and knowledge

1103
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 4: that I've gotten from working with all the great people

1104
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 4: I've worked with and then say, Okay, now I know

1105
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 4: all this stuff, how do I want to do it?

1106
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 6: Like?

1107
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 4: How am I going to doerently? And how do I

1108
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 4: want what's really my way? And what are the stories

1109
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 4: that I really want to tell? And how do I

1110
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 4: want to tell them? And you know, in any of

1111
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 4: these partnerships, you're it's it's a great creative tension and compromise.

1112
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: I really love this, I really love this, So let's

1113
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 4: fight this too well let's find a compromise in there

1114
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 4: where you get to do you care more? So we

1115
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 4: should do it that way. This is no no, I'm

1116
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 4: just going to make my own choices, which is a

1117
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: much bigger risk is what there's nobody telling you might

1118
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 4: be wrong, But it's a great reward of seeing the

1119
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 4: you know, seeing really seeing, you know, when I see

1120
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 4: the Brothers so and I see a show that you know,

1121
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: I wrote it with Fironhee who's you know, my who's

1122
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 4: you know, sort of the Ian of this is coming

1123
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 4: in a nowhere who's super talented the way Ian is.

1124
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 4: But at the same time, this is an expression of

1125
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 4: the show I want to make. So as people watch this,

1126
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 4: I like to think they're seeing, Oh I kind of

1127
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 4: see now when all of that soup, I sort of

1128
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 4: see the flavor that's Brad really clearly, you know. So

1129
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 4: that's been really great. But I've also had some fighting

1130
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 4: to be you know, to you know, the things that

1131
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 4: I saw Ryan do really well, like fighting for money

1132
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 4: and for time and for things to be a certain

1133
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 4: way and and and for sets to be right and

1134
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 4: not this. But that, like all of those things, I

1135
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 4: was able to say, well, can I do that I've

1136
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 4: never done that before, but I can't. I just do

1137
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 4: it differently, you know, I'll just do it. I do

1138
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 4: it my way. And so it's been really fun to

1139
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 4: build that world. That's that's all sort of you know,

1140
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 4: my mind.

1141
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: I see it. I see it, and I hear your voice,

1142
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: and I see it and I see that it really does.

1143
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: It emanates you, and I love that.

1144
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. I'm very proud of it, and

1145
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 4: I hope to having more opportunities to do that.

1146
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: We have some fan questions we're going to do, like

1147
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: one or two. I think you'll like them.

1148
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 4: These are fan questions that they write in and tell

1149
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 4: you they want to Yeah, yeah, we wrote it.

1150
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: We said we were having you on the show, and

1151
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: they wrote it and they asked you questions were like, oh.

1152
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 4: This will be the lowest rated Glee podcast.

1153
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 3: No, oh my god, stop are you kidding? We got

1154
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: Brad drama. Fiends wants to know which Bruce Springsteen songs

1155
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 3: do you think the show should have done.

1156
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 4: I mean, personally, don't always get on. It's just it's

1157
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 4: not exactly the match. Because the thing about Springs songs

1158
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 4: that are the best is there's just there's a longing

1159
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 4: in them and sometimes glease some really much more lie.

1160
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 4: But we did. We did uh Glory Days right for

1161
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 4: the graduation. Season three was just fun and did no

1162
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 4: surrender in the Quarterback episode, which I really fought hard for.

1163
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 4: Everyone else was like, do we need to do this?

1164
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 4: It's like give me one here. I never give me

1165
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 4: one here. I need to sit here for my own

1166
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 4: reef processing it. So we put that in there. So

1167
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 4: I think we're I think we're good. I think we

1168
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 4: did it. I think we did it. These built at

1169
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 4: these not you know, Bruce is obviously my life, and

1170
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 4: so it's not it's not they're not really built for that.

1171
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: Fair enough.

1172
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: I thought of you the other day watching the Golden

1173
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: Globes and Jorgo's Lantham motes one for Poor Things and

1174
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: Bruce rings He was sitting next to the stage and

1175
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,919
Speaker 2: all he could do was talk to Bruce Ringsteen because

1176
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: he was fanning out. I was like, it's prett prep.

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Speaker 4: That's what that guy. I mean anything I do is

1178
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 4: that guy. That guy, he's mine.

1179
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: He's good storyteller, he is something else. Yes, this is

1180
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: something that people keep asking us, and do you know

1181
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 2: or how we could there's unreleased songs. There's songs that

1182
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 2: never came out that we recorded. Sometimes they were shot.

1183
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: How do we leak those and not get sued?

1184
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 4: No, I mean there's something that probably probably can talk

1185
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 4: to Ryan about in terms of, you know, whether or

1186
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 4: not with the streaming platform there's a way to put

1187
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 4: together like with the Glee you know, when you go

1188
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 4: on Glee on Hulu, whether or not there's a way

1189
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 4: to have that be an extra or something. I don't know.

1190
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 4: If there's the problem is you'd have to like if

1191
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 4: that sand's going on there, people are already get paid,

1192
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 4: right and so everybody. Yeah, so it's not a free thing.

1193
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 4: You can't just sort of put them out.

1194
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: So I just thid if there was a reboot, then

1195
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: maybe if there was, Okay, how do you feel about that, Brad,

1196
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: how do you feel I want to reboot?

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01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 4: I feel that someone else asked me this earlier, and

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01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 4: something when I was staying publicity for own for the

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01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 4: son is that if there was a if there was,

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01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 4: if we can make it good, like there was a

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01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 4: reason to do it, If there was some reason why

1202
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 4: the Glee world was needed at this time to talk

1203
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 4: about something, I would get it. But I don't quite

1204
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 4: know what that is yet. I don't say impossible, but

1205
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 4: it would need to be the Glee. Glease is the

1206
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 4: reason why Glee was successful. Besides you guys and the

1207
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 4: music and the storytelling, it was that it was a

1208
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 4: time that needed Glee. It was a transition time in

1209
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 4: terms of how other people were talking about and talking

1210
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 4: about diversity and talking about uh, gender and sexuality and

1211
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 4: all these things, and so in that sort of in

1212
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 4: between world, there was a space for us to have

1213
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 4: some fun with it. I don't know where we are

1214
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 4: with that right now, right, I don't know how you

1215
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 4: how you so much about Glee was about these underdogs

1216
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 4: and and and and I don't know if if TV

1217
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 4: underdogs like the TV underdogs inn't really.

1218
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: Exist mm hmmm, you know, right, yeah, I think it

1219
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: just looks different because there's always there's always underdogs.

1220
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 4: There's always have to find who are they? Who are they?

1221
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 4: We're going to reform? What are we trying to say?

1222
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: Right? What are we trying to say? That's really it?

1223
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: And do they sing? More importantly, I got it.

1224
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 4: That's hard that you can sing.

1225
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: Not all of us could. So it's fine.

1226
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: This is a good one. Amy read gull. I don't

1227
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: know how to say it.

1228
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 3: She says, do you visualize or did you visualize the

1229
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 3: ending of thee at the beginning of the show. Did

1230
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 3: you have an idea the way it was going to end?

1231
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 2: And did that?

1232
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure it changed if you did.

1233
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 4: Hey, uh right, says he did. I certainly didn't. Certainly

1234
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 4: if I did, you know, what happened with Corey would

1235
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 4: have really changed that, like, would have been a big

1236
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 4: part of whatever that was. So I was really just

1237
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 4: trying to get to the next episode. And you know,

1238
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 4: seasons I thought I didn't think about at least the

1239
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 4: first three seasons. I thought about where they were ending, definitely,

1240
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 4: but the series who knows no that I didn't? Ryan

1241
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 4: says he didn't. I believe.

1242
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: I remember there was one, Oh it was one Nationals.

1243
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: I think it was the first Nationals, and I remember

1244
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: talking to you about and like, do we win? I'm like,

1245
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: where do you go from there? Jenna? You can't win?

1246
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: Where do you go from there? I was like, Oh,

1247
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense.

1248
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 4: I always thought about Rocky Rocky one, two, three, right,

1249
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 4: it was lose first, the new and second right.

1250
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: This makes a lot of sense. Bringing Rocky there you

1251
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: go story.

1252
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 4: Clearly this was the stray dude in the room with

1253
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 4: this cash.

1254
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: Was there a character you liked writing for the most.

1255
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 4: No, I loved all of them.

1256
01:03:59,120 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: Honestly, everybody.

1257
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 4: Everybody is in the moment, like every scene was generally

1258
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 4: so fun. That and and because we could have you

1259
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 4: guys do so much of anything and everybody. I don't know,

1260
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 4: I know, I love writing everybody, definitely. I mean I

1261
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 4: wrote soon, probably a couple a few times in the

1262
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 4: first season and then and then I deferred, but I

1263
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 4: didn't have a favorite.

1264
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 2: I have a question. This wasn't a fan question. Maybe

1265
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 2: should have said it was, as we're watching the show,

1266
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: you want to you want to go back? And oh yeah,

1267
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: here's a fan question. Why did you have no friends?

1268
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: Accept the kids in the glee club because it's creepy. Well,

1269
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: he asked a team to be his best man. Sir,

1270
01:04:58,680 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: you have no friends your own.

1271
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 4: At first, it was because his terry would never let

1272
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 4: him have friends. If he had a friend, friend would

1273
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 4: have said to him, why are you with this person?

1274
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 3: Right?

1275
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 4: He sure he never had any friends, So at first

1276
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 4: it was that, and you know, it was hard. It's

1277
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 4: hard to him make friends and ohio there. I mean

1278
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 4: he I guess he had aga fellas with with what's

1279
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 4: his name, coach Tanaka, and but I think I think

1280
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 4: it was initially initially we just obviously worked and it

1281
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 4: didn't want to have a lot of stories and will

1282
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 4: out with friends like that's boring. But I would say that,

1283
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 4: I'll say the reason was just because his wife didn't

1284
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 4: let him.

1285
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.

1286
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 4: There you go.

1287
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: I never really thought about it until he turns to

1288
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 2: Finn and it's like, will you be my best Man's

1289
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 2: like like mister shoe Pam, there's nobody else, and then

1290
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: the glee clubs, you're my best friends. I'm like, I

1291
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 2: don't think you should be saying we're.

1292
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 5: Like in his house, and I'm like, back in that day,

1293
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 5: I guess that that might have been okay if it

1294
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 5: was a group setting, but like these days.

1295
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,479
Speaker 1: You can't be in a professor's house.

1296
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: A teacher's house was a strong word for him.

1297
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: Sorry teacher.

1298
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 4: My favorite is like nine or something at the time.

1299
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 4: He's so young, so he was.

1300
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: He's like the same. Yeah, he was like the same.

1301
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 3: We just care Corey, I think, but I thought it

1302
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 3: was funny that Matt couldn't like or mister shoe like couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Really speak Spanish, but he was a Spanish teacher.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's funny. It is funny.

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Speaker 4: That was our That was our you know commentary on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's this question was why was cheating always used?

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01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: That's the only way to split up a couple? Yes, yeh,

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01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: that's all right.

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Speaker 4: Always that was the thing, and that was just good.

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Speaker 2: It's like babies and breakups. He loves how many many breakups?

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Speaker 4: That's all.

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Speaker 1: We asked all of our people. What is the feeling

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Speaker 1: that Glee leaves you with?

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01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 4: You mean, I mean the show or like our experience

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01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 4: doing Glee? What's the feeling? Yes, it's as you said,

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Speaker 4: it feels like family. To me, it just feels like

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01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 4: like like we went through something together that was so

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Speaker 4: extraordinary and so bonding and wonderfully complicated and wonderfully simple.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the warmth I feel when I see

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Speaker 4: your guys faces, it just reminds me of a time

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Speaker 4: of life and of an experience that we had that

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Speaker 4: that I feel incredibly proud of and positive about. And

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Speaker 4: the fact that you know, new generations of people are

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01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 4: now you know, keep enjoying the show and it sort

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01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 4: of lives on in that way. It just makes me

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01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 4: feel proud as a legacy thing that we did something

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01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 4: that meant a lot to people and what it meant

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Speaker 4: to us doing it is. Is it even a little

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01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 4: bit more special like it was?

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Speaker 3: It was?

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01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 6: It was?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a family and all it's ups and

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01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 4: downs and almost mostly ups. So family, that's the feeling.

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Speaker 4: What are yours?

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Speaker 1: That is a good question, Kevin, What is your feeling?

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01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 2: Oh damn, I can't steal family, now, can I?

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01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 4: You're allowed.

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01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 2: That's just it doesn't believe very much because you're the

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01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 2: first person that you've As you said, I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's how I feel where family just encompasses all of it,

1341
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: doesn't it, Because you have your ups and your downs.

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01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you've all shared this

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01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: same experience and therefore you have that much deeper and

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01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 2: foundational relationship with one another that you won't have with

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01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: other people in this specific way, and that feels like

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01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 2: family and I'm very very grateful for it.

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01:08:58,600 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 6: It was.

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01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had such a great time together, and I

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01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 2: also just remember how much fun it really was. Yeah,

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01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: we had so much fun. Yeah, and I would say,

1351
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: lucky is the other word, Like I just felt lucky,

1352
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 2: like every day driving through those gates at Paramount and

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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: at the beginning I always remember the beginning of seasons

1354
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 2: of like showing up like this is where I get

1355
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 2: to go, this is what I get to do, And

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01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: this few moments where I was present and could remember

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01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 2: that I just felt very, very very lucky to get

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01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 2: to be on a show that I liked and was

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Speaker 2: proud of as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, shitty Paramount. It was a big, big get too,

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01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 4: because it was such a great.

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01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: Place to be, so magical, the most powerful.

1363
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 4: But I think also, as you said, it's you know,

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01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 4: Ben jams of family, Like I would say, there's nobody

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01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 4: if you you know, Ryan, Ian and I and the

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01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 4: whole cast is if anybody were to call anybody and

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 4: say I need you right now, everybody, Okay, what do

1368
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 4: you need? Yeah? Total years like that's that's I think

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 4: what I take from it is that there is some

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01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 4: that's almost unconscious there. It's never a no.

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01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 1: For anybody, totally totally yep.

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01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 3: I think my word would be formative, emotional, formative, moved,

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01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think really influenced who I am today,

1374
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 3: how I see the world, how I see my my career,

1375
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 3: how I see my own like it really informed my

1376
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 3: own self love and worth and the work that I

1377
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 3: did and so but I also just like pure joy,

1378
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 3: like we had so many good memories and like to

1379
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 3: rewatch it. Now, I think my my some of like

1380
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 3: my subconscious stuck onto some of the sticky sickyer stuff,

1381
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 3: which was very minimal, but like to rewatch it has

1382
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 3: been so therapeutic and cathartic for me to like go

1383
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 3: back and be like, oh shit, that was awesome, Like

1384
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 3: I really look back and I go like, I wish

1385
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 3: I could do that again, Like I wish we could

1386
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 3: do regionals just.

1387
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: One more time.

1388
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 3: Like as much as we like groaned about those long days,

1389
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 3: like how cool was that?

1390
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: So it's very special? Yeah, well said, well okay, now

1391
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: I really do think that our time is coming to you.

1392
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 4: We had to get over and hour here we did.

1393
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for spending so much time with us.

1394
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 4: Anything, and that's what anything for you guys, really whatever

1395
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 4: you need and love you are you love you to you, guys.

1396
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 4: This is a pretty cool thing. And I think that

1397
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 4: was very popular and doing a really cool thing here.

1398
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 2: So thanks well, thanks to you know you and Ryan

1399
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: and Ian for supporting it and coming on. That means

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01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah, well congrats, congrats everyone go watch About

1401
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 2: the Sun. If you haven't, go watch it.

1402
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 4: You might like yet I think I think so.

1403
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, just imagine the musical numbers where the fighting is exactly.

1404
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 2: Now that we know how it's made, it's really good.

1405
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 4: Thanks Chris, thank you.

1406
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: Thanks Brad, You're the best, the best, Brad fiul check everybody.

1407
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 2: You know, what's crazy?

1408
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 4: What is that?

1409
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 2: We've had a lot of emotional and depth talks about

1410
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,600
Speaker 2: the show and people's experiences in it and with it,

1411
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 2: and Brad through all of that, even when things do

1412
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 2: get tough, he's always such a calming presence, very positive, yeah,

1413
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 2: and can acknowledge all of that stuff while still being like, okay,

1414
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 2: and what are we what is the spin of this?

1415
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 2: How do we get through this? Let's talk openly about

1416
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 2: all of it, but nobody get crazy or emotional like

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01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 2: it's yeah, but I'm just.

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01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 3: Happy to see he's like he's never changed, you know,

1419
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 3: not that any of them have, but like he's really

1420
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 3: his core values, his core self like has always been this.

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01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, we're thank you, Brad for coming and hanging

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01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 3: out with us. We're really so grateful for your time

1424
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 3: and for sharing all of those fun tipbits with us.

1425
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 3: And everybody, go watch Brother's Son. It's really fun. There's

1426
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 3: a great story. It's not just a bunch of action

1427
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 3: like there's a really good story as well, and the

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01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 3: characters you really love.

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01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 2: So it's super fun.

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01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: Check it out.

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01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 2: And that's what you really missed. Thanks for listening, and

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Speaker 2: follow us on Instagram at and that's what you really

1433
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 2: miss pod. Make sure to write us a review and

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Speaker 2: leave us five stars. See you next time.