Speaker 1: Okay, felly conspiracy realist.
Speaker 2: Here we are at the end door of the beginning
Speaker 2: of a year and our classic episode this evening takes
Speaker 2: us to the most northern part of Canada that you
Speaker 2: can get to now, something that wasn't even a thing
Speaker 2: until nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: That's right, none of it.
Speaker 3: And this really fits in with some conversations we've been
Speaker 3: having recently about mysterious sounds things that have come up
Speaker 3: in our Strange news segments, the idea of the windsor hum.
Speaker 1: This one is the nineve ping. Not a hum, but
Speaker 1: a ping.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's been around for quite a long time. Remember
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen were we had heard about this, but
Speaker 4: I don't think we covered it until twenty twenty because
Speaker 4: there were I believe there were some new pieces of
Speaker 4: information that came out about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's correct. This was an unexplained sound emerging
Speaker 2: from deep beneath the waves, terrifying migratory animals, baffling local
Speaker 2: hunters who know that land very well, and everybody got
Speaker 2: so confused, perplexed, and frightened by this that the Canadian
Speaker 2: government launched an official investigation.
Speaker 1: Here's what they found.
Speaker 2: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 2: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 2: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A
Speaker 2: production of Iheartradiu.
Speaker 4: Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nola.
Speaker 2: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
Speaker 2: our super producer, all Michig Control decads. Most importantly, you
Speaker 2: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff
Speaker 2: they don't want you to know. Today's episode starts off
Speaker 2: with something that's understandably a problem for many people. Strange noises.
Speaker 2: We don't mean smacking, snoring, the squeak of styrophoam or
Speaker 2: all those other demons of misophonia.
Speaker 1: Don't know how about heavy breathing, guys.
Speaker 3: People accuse me online of heavy breathing a lot, and
Speaker 3: it's really made me self conscious to the point where
Speaker 3: I lean away from the microphone really hard.
Speaker 1: So thanks a lot, Internet.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about something much less annoying, and we're
Speaker 2: talking about something much more mysterious, or so some would
Speaker 2: have us believe. Longtime listeners, fellow conspiracy realist, you've been
Speaker 2: with us as we explored the story of the windsor hum,
Speaker 2: which by the way, will be solved in this episode
Speaker 2: as well as the story of the infamous Bloop. But
Speaker 2: this mysterious noise occurs in the far North, in an
Speaker 2: isolated part of the world, home to more animals than
Speaker 2: people the local population and is apparently being haunted by
Speaker 2: a bizarre well. Some would describe it as a hum,
Speaker 2: some would describe it as a beep. Today it's best
Speaker 2: known as the Nunavut ping. Here are the facts.
Speaker 1: So first off, let's do a little geography.
Speaker 3: Nunavut is in Canada, right, but where it's north really north,
Speaker 3: about as far north as you can possibly go. The
Speaker 3: area encompasses most of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago, and this
Speaker 3: is Polar Bear Country.
Speaker 1: Nunavut is the.
Speaker 3: Largest and northernmost territory of Canada and the fifth largest
Speaker 3: administrative division in the entire world. In fact, Nunavut alone
Speaker 3: represents about twenty one percent of the entire area of Canada,
Speaker 3: which is interesting considering how few people actually live there.
Speaker 4: It's really strange to look at on something like Google
Speaker 4: Earth or in another digital based globe just to see
Speaker 4: essentially that ring, the Arctic ring around the North Pole.
Speaker 4: There it's you're right up at the top. And this
Speaker 4: whole area we're talking about here, Nunavut, it's a little
Speaker 4: over two million kilometers in total area. That's around eight
Speaker 4: hundred thousand square miles a little more than that, and
Speaker 4: according to the latest numbers, it has a total population
Speaker 4: of around thirty six thousand people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one, this one gave gave me a weird
Speaker 2: rabbit hole, Matt. The population's thirty five, nine hundred and
Speaker 2: forty four as of the twenty sixteen census, and that
Speaker 2: number still seems to hold about the same in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: So I was looking for an easy comparison. You know,
Speaker 2: what's maybe a more well known city or town that
Speaker 2: has a comparable population. So I started looking at cities
Speaker 2: in the US that have a population maybe around there.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find any. So I started looking at smaller
Speaker 2: and smaller and smaller places, and I stumbled on the
Speaker 2: closest comparison I can find, which is Goose Creek City,
Speaker 2: South Carolina, with a population of thirty five thousand, nine
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty eight. So, residents of Goose Creek City,
Speaker 2: shout out to.
Speaker 4: You, yeah, shut shout out to Mount Pleasant and Bulls
Speaker 4: Bay as well, which are right right down the street
Speaker 4: from you.
Speaker 1: Do you get there? Do you know about a creek city?
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I'm all about some Goose Creek just from here.
Speaker 4: You can you got to get to ninety five, but
Speaker 4: head on up that way and then you can head
Speaker 4: head east right over to Goose Creek.
Speaker 3: Mint.
Speaker 4: I'm just looking at a.
Speaker 1: Map, Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: I would have loved the idea of Matt having like
Speaker 3: long lost family in Goose Creek that he's just now
Speaker 3: like discovering on the air in real time.
Speaker 2: Yes, as Nols said, please tell us your Goose Creek
Speaker 2: City stories. Unlike the residents of Goose Creek City, the
Speaker 2: residents of this territory are overwhelmingly Inuit, about eighty five
Speaker 2: percent of the population.
Speaker 1: This territory is.
Speaker 2: Also incredibly new. It was officially created in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Before that, it was part of the pre existing Northwest Territories. Now,
Speaker 2: if you want to go and counter the great outdoors
Speaker 2: in this part of the world, you're going to need
Speaker 2: to prepare. This is not an especially welcoming environment. It's
Speaker 2: mostly composed of rocky, treeless tundra that's locked in permafrost.
Speaker 2: The Arctic, as we know, is experiencing climate change, specifically
Speaker 2: warming of the climate at a faster rate than a
Speaker 2: lot of other parts of the world, and this also
Speaker 2: affects Nunavut. Changes there include higher temperatures which melts the permafrost,
Speaker 2: which reduces the ice, and the sea which causes the
Speaker 2: glaciers to diminish and retreat and diminishes the ice shelves
Speaker 2: tale as old as time. We all know this pattern,
Speaker 2: but it's also home to a mystery. And that's our
Speaker 2: question today. Have you heard of the Nunavut ping?
Speaker 4: And just another thing to point out here is just
Speaker 4: how difficult it is to get to Nunavut from a
Speaker 4: lot of other places or nearly anywhere else in the world,
Speaker 4: considering where it is on the Earth, and how cold
Speaker 4: it is, how much ice you're dealing with in the
Speaker 4: lack of standard transportation or a very little standard transportation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I actually when I was looking up researching for this episode,
Speaker 3: I came across a YouTuber by the name of Olivia Young, who,
Speaker 3: along with her husband at the time of the video,
Speaker 3: which is in twenty eighteen, it just moved to ecollow it,
Speaker 3: which is the capital city of Nunavut.
Speaker 1: And she made two very helpful videos, one of which
Speaker 1: was ten reasons you should move to a Call of
Speaker 1: It and ten reasons you should not move to a
Speaker 1: call It.
Speaker 3: Not that she was trying to force anybody one way
Speaker 3: or the other, but the reasons you should things like
Speaker 3: we're talking about the gorgeous natural scenery, the hunting, the
Speaker 3: camping opportunities, and just kind of the adventure of it.
Speaker 1: All the reasons you shouldn't.
Speaker 3: Apparently, cost of living is one of the highest in
Speaker 3: all of Canada there largely because it is so remote.
Speaker 3: There aren't very many chain things, so there's kind of
Speaker 3: a monopoly on you know, goods and services on this
Speaker 3: very remote, hard to get to place. And she was saying,
Speaker 3: I guess they're talking about Canadian bucks. But it was
Speaker 3: like around eighteen hundred dollars for a flight, like a
Speaker 3: three hour flight from Call of It to I believe
Speaker 3: Manitoba believes with theirs.
Speaker 1: I can't quite remember where they would go home to
Speaker 1: hang with.
Speaker 3: Their folks, but apparently very very prohibitively expensive to fly
Speaker 3: out of there, and not many flights go there, so
Speaker 3: it's kind of a monopoly there too. Also commented on
Speaker 3: the Internet being particularly slow, but then you pointed out
Speaker 3: that they seem to have fixed that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And this is something this kind of inaccessibility
Speaker 2: is something that's very familiar to people who live in
Speaker 2: areas of the world like this, but perhaps sounds strange
Speaker 2: to people not acquainted with these environments. You know, there's
Speaker 2: a reason, for instance, that department stores in Alaska tend
Speaker 2: to do a little bit better than department stores in
Speaker 2: the rest of the contiguous United States. That's because some
Speaker 2: places just don't deliver. You know, you can't order something
Speaker 2: online if it means that someone from Amazon or something
Speaker 2: has to fly out on a small Cessna plane to
Speaker 2: get you, you know, your dunk a Ruse or whatever
Speaker 2: you're ordering. I imagine it's dunk a Ruse.
Speaker 1: It's gotta be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just speaking to that. Shout out to the whoever
Speaker 4: is working at and running the Hall Beach Airport that's
Speaker 4: out there and nearby. It's one of the only ones
Speaker 4: that I was able to find or that was big
Speaker 4: enough to actually land, like you said, as Cessna or something.
Speaker 3: Well, and apparently there's no specialty medical faci there. Doctors
Speaker 3: actually come in on a weekly basis that the woman
Speaker 3: I was talking about who had the YouTube video was
Speaker 3: pregnant at the time and was talking about how to
Speaker 3: see a specialist. She had to wait until that individual
Speaker 3: was actually making the rounds, which would require flying in
Speaker 3: on a little plane like you're talking about. And also
Speaker 3: one of the reasons she said if you don't want
Speaker 3: to move here is if you don't like online shopping,
Speaker 3: because that's sort of mainly where you're going to find
Speaker 3: most of your options because there's really no chain department
Speaker 3: stores or malls or walmarts or anything like that to
Speaker 3: speak of.
Speaker 2: So, as you can tell from that very high level look,
Speaker 2: life here is very different than life in many other
Speaker 2: parts of the world. Nunavut is home to a stunning
Speaker 2: and rich history of indigenous culture, tradition, and practices, right
Speaker 2: including hunting, which plays a big role in today's show.
Speaker 2: This area is also home to a mystery. It's one
Speaker 2: that a lot of people outside of the region have
Speaker 2: not heard of. Have you heard of the Nunavut ping.
Speaker 2: Here's where it gets crazy, because you see, this area
Speaker 2: of the world is home to more than breathtaking natural
Speaker 2: beauty and astonishing ancient culture. It's also home to something
Speaker 2: that is most often I should say allegedly home to
Speaker 2: something that is most often called a ping like ping like.
Speaker 1: That sound of submarine makes right.
Speaker 4: Maybe, well, it's it's interesting. It's been described a bunch
Speaker 4: of different ways. Actually, sometimes it is that ping like
Speaker 4: we just gave an example of. Sometimes it's more of
Speaker 4: a m Sometimes it's a sound that you can't hear
Speaker 4: unless you're recording. Sometimes it's a beep, more of a
Speaker 4: bit like the ones that we make on this show
Speaker 4: when we need to record something again that you go.
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes. That's behind the scenes, Matt. That doesn't
Speaker 2: make it to the final at a thank you, Mission Control.
Speaker 1: Where's Michael Winslow when you need him?
Speaker 3: I wish you had him as a guest right now.
Speaker 3: He could do all of these sounds perfectly for us.
Speaker 3: But I think you did a great job, Matt.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: Thanks. So what you need to know is that there's
Speaker 4: a specific area within this larger area that we've been
Speaker 4: describing to you. It's called the Fury and Heckless Strait
Speaker 4: of Nunavut. It's about one hundred and twenty kilometers or
Speaker 4: seventy four miles from the small town of Igloic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you were we were talking earlier off here, Matt,
Speaker 2: you said that this is this is kind of the
Speaker 2: closest point of human civilization that we can relate to this.
Speaker 2: It's the Fury and Heckless Strait is sort of northwest
Speaker 2: of this town.
Speaker 4: Correct, correct. Yeah, and it's it's large, it's very open.
Speaker 4: Many times, or in the past, I guess more frequently
Speaker 4: in the past there would be ice floating in this area,
Speaker 4: and not so much anymore, as you stated earlier, Ben, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this ping was first we could say, solidly confirmed
Speaker 2: by a sailboat that was traveling through the strait back
Speaker 2: in the summer of twenty sixteen. And the reason we
Speaker 2: can say it was solidly confirmed is because the crew
Speaker 2: of the boat and passengers on the boat were able
Speaker 2: to register the sound with onboard sonar equipment. They weren't
Speaker 2: looking for anything, they just had the sonar equipment for
Speaker 2: the boat. Rumors had existed before this official confirmation. And
Speaker 2: note to your earlier point, Matt, this is not the
Speaker 2: same thing as recording the sound. They registered it, they
Speaker 2: proved that it existed, but they didn't have an audio
Speaker 2: file they could play for other people. The strait itself
Speaker 2: is a word of the day. I don't know about
Speaker 2: you all, but this I learned this word for the
Speaker 2: first time. The strait is what is called a paulina.
Speaker 2: It's an area of open water that's surrounded by and
Speaker 2: this is a cozy, cozy, perfect home for tons of
Speaker 2: sea mammals. The sound itself, the ping or the hum or,
Speaker 2: the can be heard throughout the summer. That's a big deal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there we go. That's a big deal because summer is
Speaker 2: one of the major hunting seasons in this region, because
Speaker 2: there is a typically historically there's a large number of
Speaker 2: sea mammals that pass through this area, and so since
Speaker 2: ancient days, when people are living there, they would harvest
Speaker 2: these animals and use components of these animals throughout the
Speaker 2: rest of the year for a multitude of things.
Speaker 3: And if I'm not mistaken, you can find narwhals in
Speaker 3: this region. The mythical yet perfectly real narwhal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, guys, there a Arctic circle types the narwhal.
Speaker 2: You know, they haven't quite yet franchised to the Caribbean,
Speaker 2: but hey, the world's a changing place. Who knows, Maybe
Speaker 2: we'll see a tropical Narwal. Draw us a picture of
Speaker 2: what that looks like. Send it in conspiracy at iHeartRadio
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Speaker 3: Probably just wearing a la and has like a tropical
Speaker 3: drink of some kind. Narmals don't really have hands, though
Speaker 3: it has.
Speaker 2: It has like pineapples and stuff speared on the on
Speaker 2: the whole, which is actually a great example left tooth
Speaker 2: of the Narwal. Quite so weird it is, but the
Speaker 2: ping is even weirder than an arwall, I would say,
Speaker 2: because the sound can be heard throughout the summer. Multiple
Speaker 2: people allegedly report it. Notice we had to drop the
Speaker 2: allegedly on there. You'll find out why in a minute.
Speaker 2: The booters who are aboard that private vessel passing through
Speaker 2: the area, they said that they heard the sound. They
Speaker 2: registered it on Sonart. They didn't have an audio recording,
Speaker 2: but they went to a local radio show in Igloick
Speaker 2: afterwards and they described their experience hearing the sound. And
Speaker 2: when they described it, multiple people called into the radio
Speaker 2: station to say, Hey, I've heard this too.
Speaker 1: What gives just.
Speaker 4: A quick thing to think about here. This incident occurred
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen, so you know, we can't know for sure,
Speaker 4: but I assume that somebody on that private boat that
Speaker 4: was traveling through the Strait had some kind of cellular
Speaker 4: device that had recording capabilities on it, And it does
Speaker 4: make me wonder why if they were hearing something as
Speaker 4: strange as this sounds, they wouldn't begin rolling, similar to
Speaker 4: if there's a UFO sighting or something, you'd want to
Speaker 4: at least attempt to capture it.
Speaker 3: It's a good point, Matt, but I think maybe we
Speaker 3: take for granted sometimes how quick we are to pull
Speaker 3: out stuff like that and record interesting sounds or videos.
Speaker 1: Some people just don't think about it.
Speaker 3: I think it's like second nature to us, I think,
Speaker 3: since we're sort of tech eat nerd types.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. It could go either way. It
Speaker 1: is a little weird.
Speaker 3: But I also know people that just never really occurs
Speaker 3: to them, unless it's like snapping a picture to like
Speaker 3: pull up the voice memo recorder. It is almost like
Speaker 3: too many players of menu for some people on a phone.
Speaker 2: I want to go back to what you said, Matt,
Speaker 2: and I want to respond to you by saying ding
Speaker 2: ding ding, or should I say ping ping ping, because
Speaker 2: this is going to be important later in the story, right,
Speaker 2: And I think your point holds know that it is
Speaker 2: not normal or it's not you know, ubiquitous for everybody
Speaker 2: to instantly take out a phone. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: many of us listening along today when we have seen
Speaker 2: something anomalous, perhaps in the sky or in the distance,
Speaker 2: you know, it can be real pain to try to
Speaker 2: get to your camera on your phone or your audio
Speaker 2: recorder in time unless you've made it a habit and
Speaker 2: normalized it. So with your point, Matt, I would say
Speaker 2: one thing that alters, or I would say one thing
Speaker 2: that influences the points we're making here, is that these
Speaker 2: people were on a boat. They likely already had recording
Speaker 2: equipment or communications equipment of some sort running, and we
Speaker 2: don't without knowing how long their window of time was
Speaker 2: hearing the ping, we don't know how much time they
Speaker 2: had to respond. But it is interesting there was not
Speaker 2: a recorded sound there. This acoustic anomaly. There's an important
Speaker 2: part about it. It wasn't just affecting humans and hunters.
Speaker 2: Locals had noticed that animals appear to hear this sound
Speaker 2: as well, and they responded to it by turning tail
Speaker 2: or turning fin or turning flipper and skiedaddling whatever this
Speaker 2: sound was it seemed to frighten them. At least according
Speaker 2: to initial reports, there were hardly any sea mammals in
Speaker 2: the area during the summer of twenty fifteen, and that
Speaker 2: became an issue of major concern to the local government.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially since when we're talking about tourism and even
Speaker 3: like just locals, hunting is huge. So if your animals
Speaker 3: are constantly getting spooked away by this sound, that's not
Speaker 3: going to go over well with the locals or with
Speaker 3: tourists and the govern who are maybe thinking, oh, this
Speaker 3: is a bumber. This is going to like make it
Speaker 3: less attractive for people to come here. And you see
Speaker 3: these these natural phenomenon are and perhaps you know, shoot them.
Speaker 4: Yes, And to that end, we have a statement from
Speaker 4: a legislative assemblyman from the area named George Kualute. He said,
Speaker 4: quote that passage is a migratory route for bowhead whales
Speaker 4: and also bearded seals and ringed seals. There would be
Speaker 4: so many in that particular area this summer there was none.
Speaker 2: Which is amazing because usually these kind of declines step
Speaker 2: down incrementally over time, right and over seasons. It's anomalous
Speaker 2: for an entire migratory population to change to disappear and
Speaker 2: change route. So locals and visitors, humans and animals alike
Speaker 2: all seemed to know that something was happening, but no
Speaker 2: one knew what, unless, of course we asked the animals,
Speaker 2: which no one really did. This means then the lack
Speaker 2: of certitude, speculation thrives, and theories abound. What are we
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Speaker 4: Sorry guys, Oh we're really getting started in that realm ben.
Speaker 4: So just jumping back to that initial report that kind
Speaker 4: of broke this story back in twenty sixteen of the
Speaker 4: private boat and the people on board that went through
Speaker 4: and heard this ping with their sonar equipment, they they
Speaker 4: at least stated they were able to discern that the
Speaker 4: sound appeared to be originating from the seafloor from below them,
Speaker 4: way down at the bottom. And just keep that in
Speaker 4: mind as we're continuing down through these theories about what
Speaker 4: this sound could possibly be, and we have.
Speaker 2: A we have a couple of broad categories of theories
Speaker 2: with with very i would say, differing levels of plausibility. Right,
Speaker 2: So we start maybe if you guys, if you guys
Speaker 2: are into this, we can start with the very mundane
Speaker 2: one and the reason why it's very mundane, and then
Speaker 2: we can move progressively to some more conspiratorial stuff. The
Speaker 2: first theory centers on an outfit called the baffin Land
Speaker 2: Iron Minds Corporation. They had earlier conducted sonar surveys on
Speaker 2: a nearby Endlet steams by Endlet. This theory that a
Speaker 2: corporation in the mining industry could be responsible for this
Speaker 2: sound does have some sand, but not because of the
Speaker 2: mining corporation itself. Here, it's increasingly plausible because of recent
Speaker 2: revelations about the Windsor Hum, which we explored in previous episode.
Speaker 2: Rarely get to say this, this one has been proven.
Speaker 2: We can put this one to bed. Probably in that
Speaker 2: previous episode on the Windswor Hum, we examined this mysterious
Speaker 2: sound on the Canadian US border. Since about twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: people in Windsor Ontario and the area were reporting a weird,
Speaker 2: weird hum. Nobody knew what it was. Some people were
Speaker 2: saying secret government plans, usos UFOs, extra dimensional stuff, all
Speaker 2: the exciting stuff, all the hits, all the jazz. But
Speaker 2: just a few days before we recorded this episode, the
Speaker 2: announcement the news came on July twenty seventh. We're recording
Speaker 2: this On July twenty ninth, one of our theories from
Speaker 2: windsor hum was proven correct. The US Steel facility on
Speaker 2: Zug Island went into idle mode as the company scaled
Speaker 2: back operations across its Great Lakes facilities. And according to
Speaker 2: a guy named Colin Novak, who we may have cited
Speaker 2: in that episode, he's the lead researcher for the Canadian
Speaker 2: study into the hum. According to him, as soon as
Speaker 2: that Zug Island facility went quiet, the hum vanished. So
Speaker 2: no aliens, or at least maybe the aliens were working
Speaker 2: at the factory. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy to you know, we're talking today about
Speaker 3: a ping and we're referring to this one, and it
Speaker 3: is kind of known in popular culture I guess as
Speaker 3: a hum, but I mean residents were describing it as
Speaker 3: like almost a sub you know, sub base kind of
Speaker 3: rumble that would actually like vibrate pictures off the wall
Speaker 3: and make some people sick, you know. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: a whole episode about it. But that plant that we're
Speaker 3: talking about, I think they determined that it was caused
Speaker 3: by like a process of like venting pressure from some
Speaker 3: of the equipment that that was very very very loud
Speaker 3: and actually carried uh all the way to the residence
Speaker 3: of windsor pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's that's weird that we can come and say
Speaker 4: that to you today. It felt like a mystery that
Speaker 4: was going to be around for a while, but now
Speaker 4: it's gone. You guys doing the world.
Speaker 2: Our success rate is if you look at if you
Speaker 2: define success as in solving these things, our success rate
Speaker 2: is pretty abysmal. But but this alone, this kind of
Speaker 2: theory does not solve the case of the nunavutping because
Speaker 2: there are some problems with this explanation.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's Corre, the Baffin Iron Mines Corporation. So they
Speaker 4: ended up speaking with Canadian media and essentially they said, yes,
Speaker 4: they do have a mine on the Mary River, which
Speaker 4: is southwest of Pond Inlet. Another inlet in the area.
Speaker 4: They had not been conducting any surveys of the sonar
Speaker 4: type in the area where the ping had been observed,
Speaker 4: and they didn't they didn't even have any equipment in
Speaker 4: the water, especially at the bottom of the sea there
Speaker 4: or of the strait, I guess. So it does feel
Speaker 4: as though, at least if they are telling the truth,
Speaker 4: that that this may not be the explanation. And if
Speaker 4: you don't want to just trust the company's words, you
Speaker 4: can look to the local politicians who have also verified
Speaker 4: that there weren't any official permits that were issued for
Speaker 4: this company for construction or for other kinds of work
Speaker 4: like blasting hydrography, which is a fun term as well,
Speaker 4: and there was no there was no official permits for
Speaker 4: work that would explain those sounds originating from that company.
Speaker 4: But again, you're trusting politicians then, right, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still in either case, back to the conspiracy
Speaker 2: drawing board on this one. There's another theory that was
Speaker 2: pretty popular in the local population that reminded me in
Speaker 2: a way of allegation. Well, it's an allegation of eco
Speaker 2: terrorism kind of and it reminds me of like Captain
Speaker 2: Planet kind of fights. So what if the ping is
Speaker 2: coming not from a mining corporation but from those nefarious
Speaker 2: ne'er do wells over at Greenpeace. Oh, I know, right,
Speaker 2: So what if? What if green Peace is the culprit
Speaker 2: here for people who believe this The motivation of this
Speaker 2: organization is to use the ping or some kind of
Speaker 2: sonar device to scare wildlife away from the huntunting grounds
Speaker 2: during this peak hunting season. This theory does not come
Speaker 2: from thin air. It's not likely that someone just made
Speaker 2: it up to troll people. Green Peace and the local
Speaker 2: population have had ten six changes in the past, and
Speaker 2: that was largely due to green Peace as historical opposition
Speaker 2: to seal hunting in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties,
Speaker 2: so decades ago. But there's still probably some bad blood,
Speaker 2: or at the very least some distrust.
Speaker 4: So the big question here is would an environmental group
Speaker 4: like green Peace purposefully disrupt what's going on with the
Speaker 4: natural behaviors of a large group of animals in some
Speaker 4: roundabout way to save them. It's definitely one of those
Speaker 4: things that feels like, Okay, I guess in a Doctor
Speaker 4: Evil style green Peace maneuver, but it definitely it definitely
Speaker 4: feels off to me like that wouldn't be It wouldn't
Speaker 4: be a good idea because you changed the patterns of
Speaker 4: those animals, where they live, where they hunt, where they feed,
Speaker 4: You're going to cause some disastrous effects. Probably, yeah.
Speaker 2: It First, to your point, it feels circuitous there I say,
Speaker 2: Rube Goldberg esque. And secondly, it seems like a textbook
Speaker 2: example of a situation where someone is choosing the lesser evil.
Speaker 2: It feels like it would be anomalous for Greenpeace to
Speaker 2: take that kind of course of action. That doesn't mean
Speaker 2: it's not true, It just it seems weird and it
Speaker 2: seems out a character. Green Peace denies this accusation the
Speaker 2: same way that the mining corporation denied the accusation. In fact,
Speaker 2: a spokesperson for Greenpeace, one Farah Khan, said quote, not
Speaker 2: only would we not do anything to harm marine life,
Speaker 2: but we very much respect the right of Inuit to
Speaker 2: hunt and would definitely not want to impact that in
Speaker 2: any way. This is important because it means not only
Speaker 2: does green Peace not want to mess with the animals,
Speaker 2: they're also say they don't want to mess with Inuit
Speaker 2: hunting traditions. So their argument render if true, renders the
Speaker 2: whole conspiratorial concept moot, because they're saying, first, we didn't
Speaker 2: do that, and second, if there was something we could
Speaker 2: do to disrupt this hunting season, we wouldn't do it
Speaker 2: anyway because we think it's an important cultural practice. So
Speaker 2: they're basically saying, you know, it's not our battle, not
Speaker 2: our hill to die on. Additionally, to your point, Matt,
Speaker 2: if you don't believe greenpeace anymore than you believe mining corporations,
Speaker 2: we can note that government officials note no one has
Speaker 2: seen a craft of any sort capable of carrying and
Speaker 2: dropping sonar going through the area, or putting anything into
Speaker 2: the water that you know would function as is so
Speaker 2: in our device capable of creating this sound, etc. And
Speaker 2: that all means boom, back to the conspiracy drawing board
Speaker 2: we go. And this brings us to a third theory,
Speaker 2: which I would say is I don't want to call
Speaker 2: it fun, but it's fascinating, and I think we might
Speaker 2: differ on our opinions of the plausibility here, guys, because
Speaker 2: I I'm a little more pro conspiracy on this theory.
Speaker 1: In particular.
Speaker 4: Wait, wait, Ben, are you talking about submarines.
Speaker 2: Not just the sandwiches?
Speaker 1: Matt, We did an.
Speaker 4: Episode not long ago on submarines, older submarines, and the
Speaker 4: tech that was available, you know, back during the Cold
Speaker 4: War days, was so advanced you can only imagine that
Speaker 4: there might be something lurking out there in the waters
Speaker 4: that nobody can detect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in that same episode, we talked about how there's
Speaker 3: no question that sonar really jacks with marine animals, especially whales.
Speaker 1: And dolphins me and so many of them use their.
Speaker 3: Own form of sonar to communicate, and this absolutely can
Speaker 3: throw a real wrench in that system. And I mean,
Speaker 3: the whole point of many of these submarines is to
Speaker 3: swim under the radar. So if there were more advanced
Speaker 3: versions of these things, we probably wouldn't know about it,
Speaker 3: whether domestic or foreign. So to your point, Matt, who's
Speaker 3: to say that some newer version of this technology doesn't
Speaker 3: exist that either sounds different or acts a little different,
Speaker 3: but still clearly, you know, disrupts marine life. But the
Speaker 3: Canadian military has ruled out the presence of both domestic
Speaker 3: and foreign subs in the area, at least that's what
Speaker 3: they're saying in their official statements of the public. But
Speaker 3: who knows how.
Speaker 1: Accurate that might be.
Speaker 4: I would just say, remember where we are in the world.
Speaker 4: Right We're at the northern top of Canada, and I
Speaker 4: would say just across the Arctic Ocean. It is a
Speaker 4: pretty vast distance from that area to Russia. But if
Speaker 4: you're thinking about it with a Cold War mindset, which
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say is gone from governments on
Speaker 4: either side of that original conflict. It's evolved, certainly, But
Speaker 4: if you're thinking about it in that way, then there
Speaker 4: might be a strategic reason to be floating around in
Speaker 4: the waters there.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna save it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna save it. Well, we'll get back to this,
Speaker 2: but I completely agree with you, Matt, completely agree spoiler alert.
Speaker 2: But let's say, just for the sake of maritime argument,
Speaker 2: we say, okay, maybe that's not one hundred percent it.
Speaker 2: We'll head back halfheartedly with caveats to the conspiracy drawing board.
Speaker 2: As DJ Collin would say, another one. You see, there
Speaker 2: is a fourth theory, conspiracy realist. It proposes that the
Speaker 2: sounds were being emitted by essentially a science project in
Speaker 2: the Arctic, funded not by Canada but by the United States,
Speaker 2: specifically by the Office of Naval Research in the US,
Speaker 2: this is called the Canada Basin Acoustic Propagation Experiment or
Speaker 2: what would you can pay that?
Speaker 3: Do you think DJ Collin has anything to do with this?
Speaker 3: Do you think this is why he hasn't released any
Speaker 3: new material in so long, He's just been working on this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask if DJ Collin has
Speaker 2: released his own.
Speaker 1: Material another one, another sickburn against.
Speaker 2: He's been great to us, He's a good friend of
Speaker 2: the show. Actually, I love hearing the contracts. It's a
Speaker 2: guilty pleasure.
Speaker 3: I wish you always you always know, you always know
Speaker 3: it's him. Yes, it reminds me of those like those
Speaker 3: mix or the you know when you buy a beat
Speaker 3: on the internet and you don't pay the full price,
Speaker 3: you need to get the sample. Occasionally in the background
Speaker 3: it'll be like like six sounds twenty ninety and then
Speaker 3: you know when you buy it, that goes away. It's
Speaker 3: like an audio watermark. That's what DJ Khala does. He's
Speaker 3: like a human audio watermark.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and he certainly experiments with sounds right.
Speaker 5: Oh, well, after I was getting at maybe this is
Speaker 5: his This is his new material, Canapey, which also a
Speaker 5: delightful French savory dish.
Speaker 1: A cannopey. I think it's kind of like a crape.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it is irrelevant.
Speaker 4: I have no idea I've heard I've heard the term though.
Speaker 4: But but this, this project, called the Canada Based Acoustic
Speaker 4: Propagation Experiment or canna PAY, it's really interesting, uses low
Speaker 4: frequency sounds to try and figure out the ongoing changes
Speaker 4: that are occurring in that general area with regards to
Speaker 4: sea ice and how the how those changes. So if
Speaker 4: you're as you're having less or more ice in an area,
Speaker 4: how does that affect acoustics? So that sounds really interesting,
Speaker 4: and they're thinking that this project could produce some data
Speaker 4: for use in tracking submarines way up there in the
Speaker 4: Arctic or just far north in general, like we're talking about,
Speaker 4: uh oh, are submarines making a comeback already?
Speaker 2: Another one?
Speaker 1: It's the dust. But we have an expert, that's right.
Speaker 3: We have an expert by the name of Peter either
Speaker 3: Worchester or Worcester guess, depending on which part of the
Speaker 3: country you come from or if you're English. But he
Speaker 3: is a member of the Script's Institution of Oceanography at
Speaker 3: the University of California, And he said that the sound
Speaker 3: being generated by CANape, which by the way, is a
Speaker 3: small amuse boosh that you might see on a tray
Speaker 3: carried by a waiter at a party with little little
Speaker 3: things on it, like a little smoked salmon perhaps, But
Speaker 3: it's also this thing. But the sound emitted by Canna
Speaker 3: Pay the sounds rather are very low and too far
Speaker 3: away to be heard in the fury and heckless strait. Okay,
Speaker 3: so this he's ruling this out for for the for
Speaker 3: the ping.
Speaker 4: Now what does make sense? The project is focused on
Speaker 4: low frequency sounds, right, and we're talking about a very
Speaker 4: high pitched for high frequency sound.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 2: And one of the issues too, which Worster brings up,
Speaker 2: is the problem of time, right, and and and distance.
Speaker 2: So this experiment uh the sound to be responsible for
Speaker 2: the nunavu ping, these experiments would have to travel very well,
Speaker 2: a pretty long way, and it would still have to
Speaker 2: be distinct from the ambience background noise, right, that's gonna occur.
Speaker 2: So Worster outlines, you know how quickly this would dissipate
Speaker 2: in the background noise, and instead he proposes another culprit,
Speaker 2: a returning culprit that some of us may recognize from
Speaker 2: our earlier episode on the bloop and he says it
Speaker 2: could be Arctic ice, that could be the kaiser, so's
Speaker 2: a here, and he notes that much of the acoustic
Speaker 2: noise in the Arctic is caused by ice rubbing together
Speaker 2: and cracking, sliding against itself, and moving. And favorite fact
Speaker 2: about today's episode is that this is a known phantom
Speaker 2: sound dating back to the days of early Arctic explorers. Well,
Speaker 2: let me copy at that early European Arctic explorers. They
Speaker 2: knew about these sounds. They were so common that Arctic
Speaker 2: explorers in that age called these noises the devil's symphony.
Speaker 2: How cool is that? And the descriptions ranged it kind
Speaker 2: of had the same some of the same sounds we
Speaker 2: hear the nunavuok ping being described as They would say
Speaker 2: there was a buzz maybe kind of a really low hum,
Speaker 2: and then they also said wheezing and loud bangs there.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a nunavu wheeze yet, but that
Speaker 2: would really creep me out. Can you imagine beat out
Speaker 2: in the far North and then you just hear this
Speaker 2: sort of.
Speaker 3: That sounds is pretty cool. Actually like some kind of
Speaker 3: experimental music. What if you were listening to the Devil's
Speaker 3: Symphony while smoking the Devil's lettuce.
Speaker 4: Bad combination, probably so or maybe great, who knows, but yeah,
Speaker 4: that been that right there is the best fact of
Speaker 4: this whole thing. And you right now can go on
Speaker 4: YouTube and other places and hear sounds of ice in
Speaker 4: both the Arctic and Antarctic, and just the incredible range
Speaker 4: of tones and frequencies that you can get out of
Speaker 4: ice interact with itself and other chunks of ice.
Speaker 3: I can only imagine. I mean, you know, cracks. The
Speaker 3: ice is like a man. I mean, think of like
Speaker 3: the ocean, how far it extends. I mean, so many
Speaker 3: of these bodies of ice are just take up just
Speaker 3: as much, not just as much, but.
Speaker 1: Are very very you know, wide ranging.
Speaker 3: And for cracks to be spreading, you know, all at
Speaker 3: the same time slowly and kind of these slow creaking
Speaker 3: crack sounds like that really does sound pretty haunting just
Speaker 3: to consider, especially if they were making like sympathetic tones
Speaker 3: and causing.
Speaker 1: These kind of weird vibration sounds.
Speaker 2: And as reports of this ping grew or appeared to grow,
Speaker 2: the Canadian government, including the members of the legislature that
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier eventually decided to investigate and to escalate
Speaker 2: this to get the military involved, which I think just
Speaker 2: I think is another interesting argument for the sub theory.
Speaker 2: But what are we talking. We'll tell you after a
Speaker 2: word from our sponsor, and we're.
Speaker 4: Back and the government has become involved. Oh Canadian government,
Speaker 4: what did you do? Well? In November of twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: they conducted several searches of the area using sound equipment. Essentially,
Speaker 4: the military went through there and they were unable to
Speaker 4: determine what was causing whatever these quote acoustic anomalies were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe they flew over the ocean with multi
Speaker 3: sensor you know, scans essentially trying to find the origin,
Speaker 3: but they couldn't do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they did, but it was a it was a
Speaker 4: large jet or a plane.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I'm confused about that too, Matt, Like that makes so
Speaker 3: much noise in and of itself, Like, not not that
Speaker 3: we're acoustic specialists or anything, but a little weird. I
Speaker 3: think they do it with a boat with the motors
Speaker 3: turned off or something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like, it does seem as though if you are getting
Speaker 4: your initial reports from you know, a boat or a
Speaker 4: ship traveling through that straight You would also in kind
Speaker 4: send some kind of vessel through there with equipment sonar, acoustic,
Speaker 4: or otherwise, just to test to see if you could
Speaker 4: repeat it, rather than sending a plane over. But maybe
Speaker 4: that's just to my ears.
Speaker 2: ROV's a magnetometer. We do have to we do have
Speaker 2: to keep in mind, however, that the relative inaccessibility of
Speaker 2: this area and the size plays a role. Knowing something
Speaker 2: or thinking something originates from the seafloor doesn't get you
Speaker 2: out of that needle in a haystack situation. It just
Speaker 2: points you to like a rough area of the hay
Speaker 2: you know what. It just moves the haystack to the
Speaker 2: sea floor. That's all it does.
Speaker 1: It's a great point.
Speaker 3: And in twenty seventeen they decided to well, they did
Speaker 3: find something in their search, which doesn't particularly surprising. They
Speaker 3: found two pods of whales and six walruses, so they
Speaker 3: didn't come up completely empty handed.
Speaker 2: But in twenty seventeen, oh wait, wait, one point though
Speaker 2: about the walruses. What I love about the way this
Speaker 2: is presented when you read about it is that it's
Speaker 2: a total of six walruses. So I love that there.
Speaker 2: It sounds like they're consistently discovering a walrus and it
Speaker 2: keeps them going. So maybe my crazy conspiracy about this
Speaker 2: is a seventh walrus. They just turned around too soon.
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you or Ben, but you know,
Speaker 3: they didn't let this dampen their.
Speaker 1: Spirits too much.
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, the Army had plans to send two
Speaker 3: acoustic specialists to Eglulik to learn more about the ping
Speaker 3: and just kind of like pull the locals, ask around,
Speaker 3: like see who had heard it, what they thought it
Speaker 3: sounded like. Seems like a smart move, So they ended
Speaker 3: up sending one instead, a guy named Doug Brown no relation.
Speaker 3: Brown was at Aglouick for a total of nine days
Speaker 3: in January of that year, twenty seventeen. And here's some
Speaker 3: things that he accomplished while he was there.
Speaker 4: Well, the first thing that he didn't accomplish was recording
Speaker 4: anything as far as audio goes of the strait or
Speaker 4: the water or any pings whatsoever. Again, the according to them,
Speaker 4: and according to the work that Doug Brown was commissioned
Speaker 4: to do, the militariat attempted to record those sounds, and
Speaker 4: they were unable to do so, so they sent him
Speaker 4: there with a very different mission. He was instead interviewing
Speaker 4: residents and locals as well as officials, and attempting to
Speaker 4: just get as much information as he could about what
Speaker 4: they had heard.
Speaker 3: You don't think sending an acoustic specialist without like a
Speaker 3: field recorder sort of like sending a photographer without a camera.
Speaker 1: That's a little weird.
Speaker 4: That's precisely what it sounds like to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's true.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if he brought that stuff
Speaker 3: or what, or just decided to leave it in his bag.
Speaker 3: But in that nine day span he was there, he
Speaker 3: didn't make a single recording. Instead, he just talked to
Speaker 3: folks to try to get their perspective. Doesn't seem like
Speaker 3: it would necessarily take an acoustic specialist to do that,
Speaker 3: but who far be it for me to question the
Speaker 3: judgment of the Canadian government. He did play sound examples
Speaker 3: for the locals. It does it sound like this, here's
Speaker 3: a sonar ping ping.
Speaker 1: You wasn't quite like that.
Speaker 3: It was a little more of a pew, you know.
Speaker 3: That's that's maybe the response. But who knows, because he
Speaker 3: I wonder if he recorded the interviews.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. And he asked.
Speaker 3: If anybody knew who had heard the sound, and they
Speaker 3: said no, that nobody in their community or organization had
Speaker 3: heard any of the pinging sounds.
Speaker 2: He also noted that the people he spoke with in
Speaker 2: the community were much less concerned about what the media
Speaker 2: called the mystery of the ping Instead, they were intensely
Speaker 2: concerned about the lack of migration of the narwhale and
Speaker 2: the walrus and other marine animals up to the Fury
Speaker 2: and Heckless Strait. He was, you know, he did his
Speaker 2: best to say, here's maybe a reason why, and he
Speaker 2: wanted to answer their question and they're you know, address
Speaker 2: their concern So he told them that the lack of
Speaker 2: animals may be due to the environmental issues that have
Speaker 2: been occurring and escalating in the North over the past
Speaker 2: few years. And he said, you know, these issues may
Speaker 2: have led to the animals just not migrating as far
Speaker 2: as they once did. So the animals are still around, right,
Speaker 2: They're just not at the same historical range. And then
Speaker 2: in a he got a lot of help from rangers
Speaker 2: who were based in the town and speak the local dialect,
Speaker 2: because not every especially older members of the community don't
Speaker 2: just speak that dialect. And so he went to that
Speaker 2: local radio station and he had one of the rangers
Speaker 2: put out a message translated from English to this language
Speaker 2: and said, hey, you know, we want to hear from you.
Speaker 1: Have you heard this ping?
Speaker 2: Have you experienced it? Do you have a recording? Let
Speaker 2: us know? And nobody answered. For one reason or another,
Speaker 2: nobody answered, but I want to go back here. They're
Speaker 2: interesting things about Doug Brown's investigation. He says, there's no
Speaker 2: viable reason to put sonar in the area, so he
Speaker 2: rejects the sonar claim. He says, the current is too strong,
Speaker 2: there's too much ambient and background noise. Even if you
Speaker 2: wanted to do it, you wouldn't get workable results, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we've seen plenty of examples of
Speaker 3: the media maybe rolling with the story before confirming all
Speaker 3: the details because it sounded cool. There's, you know, a
Speaker 3: way to kind of sex up something that maybe there
Speaker 3: isn't confirmed evidence for. It's not to say they're making
Speaker 3: things up out of whole cloth, but we've definitely seen
Speaker 3: this in our research time and time again. So could
Speaker 3: the ping possibly have just been a rumor that got
Speaker 3: out of hand. I mean, it seems to me that
Speaker 3: the biggest report that we've heard of in this case
Speaker 3: is those folks on the boat from the top of
Speaker 3: the show that didn't record it on their cell phone.
Speaker 3: And I don't even think we had names, So it
Speaker 3: certainly sounds like that's possible. And then it could have
Speaker 3: potentially been kind of, let's say, escalated based on something
Speaker 3: that we all know well, the idea of fear, the
Speaker 3: idea of being concerned about self preservation and something that's
Speaker 3: out of your control to maybe explain it away or
Speaker 3: to at the very least, you know, a sign something
Speaker 3: to blame, and that would be the changes in migratory routes,
Speaker 3: this notion that these sea creatures, sea mammals that were
Speaker 3: so commonly seen in that particular area were gone this year.
Speaker 3: But we also know that there's other things that can
Speaker 3: lead to changes in migratory routes.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I want to go back to second interesting
Speaker 2: point about Doug Brown's investigation. I think speaks to what
Speaker 2: you're talking about. There's an interview you can read with
Speaker 2: Vice and they do excellent work, especially through Motherboard, where
Speaker 2: Brown says, you know, he doubles down.
Speaker 1: He says, I.
Speaker 2: Never spoke to a single person who said that they
Speaker 2: had any faith in the reality of this ping, much
Speaker 2: less said they had heard it themselves. And in fact,
Speaker 2: when he spoke with members of the Legislative Assembly, he
Speaker 2: asked them, you know, the day one question you would
Speaker 2: ask in this situation, he said, why does it seem
Speaker 2: like so many papers initially reported hearing this noise, and
Speaker 2: the legislative members said that was a quote misunderstanding of
Speaker 2: the media. No one in the community, as far as
Speaker 2: this assembly person knew, had actually heard the ping. And
Speaker 2: this is odd because it wasn't just one paper reporting
Speaker 2: these eyewitnesses accounts. With this, the Army thus considered the
Speaker 2: case closed, and now it leaves us with several possibilities.
Speaker 2: One is the idea that you brought up second ago, Nol,
Speaker 2: the change of migratory patterns. That's something people can't really
Speaker 2: fight immediately, right. That stuff has to change over time.
Speaker 2: It's like a train. It takes a while to get
Speaker 2: started and it takes a while to stop. But as
Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier before the break, Matt, let's
Speaker 2: go back to the possible submarines cover up idea. So
Speaker 2: when Doug Brown, after he was sent to the area,
Speaker 2: the government considered the case close and they pretty much
Speaker 2: shut down this story, any further investigation, any official comment.
Speaker 2: They were basically saying they want none of it.
Speaker 1: I've never accused.
Speaker 2: I'm I was, you know, fellow listeners, I was writing,
Speaker 2: I was writing to the gang off air, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I refuse to apologize for this terrible pun.
Speaker 2: I'm sneaking in and no, I feel lighter.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're certainly not alone.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm looking at the YouTube comments on the
Speaker 3: video that I was talking about about reasons you should
Speaker 3: move to none of it, and the first comment say
Speaker 3: is how much of that province is inhabitable?
Speaker 1: Answer? None of it?
Speaker 4: Oh sick burns all day.
Speaker 3: And then and then and then everyone and then everyone
Speaker 3: proceeded to school this guy. It's not a province, you moron,
Speaker 3: It's territory. So you're a big dumb, dumb head and
Speaker 3: your pun was bad.
Speaker 2: And there's there's no solid proof of any cover up
Speaker 2: at this point, Like there's no declassified documentation, there's no
Speaker 2: deathbed confession, no former intelligence officer or anything. But there
Speaker 2: is solid proof to your earlier point Matt, that the
Speaker 2: melting ice of the Arctic Circle has made the region
Speaker 2: a geopolitical hot spot. Think about it. There are billions
Speaker 2: of dollars to be made in future Arctic shipping routes.
Speaker 2: There are also potentially billions of dollars to be made
Speaker 2: in extracting resources from this area. It is therefore, at
Speaker 2: least this is kind of my opinion. It's not a fact,
Speaker 2: it's speculation, but it is one hundred percent plausible that
Speaker 2: foreign powers, including the US, Russia, heck, throw China in
Speaker 2: the pile. As long as we're adding up scary superpowers,
Speaker 2: they could be snooping around. And to your point about
Speaker 2: hidden technology, Noal, it's possible they could be doing it
Speaker 2: largely undetected. The motivations are there.
Speaker 4: If not, the means, hey don't discount the Canadian Secret
Speaker 4: Submarine Group whatever it is called. There's I don't even
Speaker 4: know if it exists, but there's gotta be one, right,
Speaker 4: There's got to be some kind of secret Canadian super
Speaker 4: cold submarines.
Speaker 2: They're so cool, but I just I couldn't. I couldn't
Speaker 2: be in one for a long time. I don't know
Speaker 2: about you, guys, I think I would I don't think
Speaker 2: I would deal with it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, do you have any kind of claustrophobia?
Speaker 5: Ben?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, I mean I I guess I've never really been
Speaker 3: in a situation where where it would be that bad.
Speaker 3: But I do have dreams sometimes where I'm like packed
Speaker 3: into like a pipe or something, you know, and it's
Speaker 3: not pleasant. The idea of being buried in a coffin
Speaker 3: really freaks me out. So that's sort of how it
Speaker 3: seems like it would be only for a very very
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 2: It takes us space. I mean, it's a rare set
Speaker 2: of skills. You know, people who are submarriners are dedicated
Speaker 2: and focused.
Speaker 1: You'd have to be.
Speaker 3: And I didn't mean to imply that you'd be on
Speaker 3: a submarine for a longer time than you'd be buried
Speaker 3: in a coffin.
Speaker 1: That's a weird thing to say. I apologize.
Speaker 4: It's totally fine. I mean, you can imagine just the
Speaker 4: horrors of submarine flatulence and.
Speaker 3: Just I mean, we talked about this last subs came up.
Speaker 3: Just the overall smelliness of it all. It's definitely a thing.
Speaker 2: Yep, it is, And everybody listening to this currently on
Speaker 2: a submarine give us your favorite or your weirdest sub
Speaker 2: smells stories. You can contact us directly anytime of day
Speaker 2: or night. There's one last note for this. We've laid
Speaker 2: out the broad categories the possibilities here. But whatever the
Speaker 2: ping is, whether or not it actually exists, there is
Speaker 2: one thing for sure. We do not need some mysterious
Speaker 2: noise to explain the increasing decline in animal populations.
Speaker 1: We have the culprit for that.
Speaker 2: It's us, it's human civilization. We will kill these animals
Speaker 2: out soon enough. And then this is not to be preachy.
Speaker 2: These are these are just facts. This is the process.
Speaker 2: These animals are specially adapted for a specific environment, and
Speaker 2: that environment will will likely cease to exist. So if
Speaker 2: you if you feel bad about that, go check out
Speaker 2: polar bears. While you can be careful, they will kill you.
Speaker 2: They are dangerous, dangerous things. But but you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: we're it's it's ridiculous to ignore the fact, the objective
Speaker 2: truth of the matter, and this is a show that
Speaker 2: deals in facts, is that this this, this question about
Speaker 2: the ping may well be moot. The animals are disappearing,
Speaker 2: That's that's just true.
Speaker 3: Well, and you know, not only are the animals disappearing.
Speaker 3: The ice is disappearing, and that's the product of climate change.
Speaker 3: And when the climate changes, the animals they find other
Speaker 3: places that are more suitable to their climate needs. So
Speaker 3: I do certainly think that that does seem to be
Speaker 3: the most plausible explanation here, because unlike the winds are
Speaker 3: hum the none of it ping has not been solved
Speaker 3: and remains something of a mystery.
Speaker 4: You're right, at least a mystery for now until we
Speaker 4: discover that sub terrestrial submarine base at the bottom of
Speaker 4: that street, which we will find in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: It'll take a while, but we'll get there. I'm joking,
Speaker 4: of course. But you know, there is one thing here
Speaker 4: that we didn't really discuss.
Speaker 1: Yes, what if the.
Speaker 4: Sound wasn't mechanical in nature, or a vehicle or an
Speaker 4: experimental piece of machinery. What if it was biological?
Speaker 2: What are you saying, Matt, Are you saying some sort
Speaker 2: of unknown organism could be responsible? It could be scaring
Speaker 2: off the other known animals. Careful, my friends, we teeter
Speaker 2: on the precipice of cryptozoology.
Speaker 6: Oh dare we You mean like a locknested monster kind
Speaker 6: of situation, Like a giant Arctic sea monster maybe.
Speaker 4: But you'll have to wait until next episode to hear
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 3: That you are a mischievous devil and I love it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, a sea monster. Oh gosh, guys, the gates
Speaker 2: of possibility are flung wide open. The horizon of creepy
Speaker 2: stuff rushes forward from the future to meet us.
Speaker 3: You guys know, the only thing I'm scared of more
Speaker 3: than like birds is giant underwater monsters.
Speaker 4: Really, Ah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I talked about it a while back on an episode.
Speaker 3: I always have dreams that I'm like in this vast
Speaker 3: sea and there's a giant presence beneath me, and I
Speaker 3: sense it. And that's not that I'm worried about getting eaten.
Speaker 3: It's just the very existence and presence and being in
Speaker 3: the proximity of such a thing as very Oh it
Speaker 3: makes my blood run cold.
Speaker 2: So what do you think, folks? You know, in the
Speaker 2: past episodes, we've seen mysterious noises traced to industry, like
Speaker 2: the windsor hum or, natural causes like shifting earth or ice.
Speaker 2: That would be that's the most widely accepted explanation.
Speaker 1: For the bloop.
Speaker 2: But do you think there's something else?
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a mystery afoot? Do you think
Speaker 2: there's a sea creature? Do you think there's a mundane explanation?
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Speaker 2: this ping? If so, we want to hear from you.
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