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Speaker 1: Okay, felly conspiracy realist.

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Speaker 2: Here we are at the end door of the beginning

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Speaker 2: of a year and our classic episode this evening takes

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Speaker 2: us to the most northern part of Canada that you

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Speaker 2: can get to now, something that wasn't even a thing

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Speaker 2: until nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: That's right, none of it.

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Speaker 3: And this really fits in with some conversations we've been

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Speaker 3: having recently about mysterious sounds things that have come up

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Speaker 3: in our Strange news segments, the idea of the windsor hum.

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Speaker 1: This one is the nineve ping. Not a hum, but

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Speaker 1: a ping.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's been around for quite a long time. Remember

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Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen were we had heard about this, but

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Speaker 4: I don't think we covered it until twenty twenty because

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Speaker 4: there were I believe there were some new pieces of

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Speaker 4: information that came out about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's correct. This was an unexplained sound emerging

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Speaker 2: from deep beneath the waves, terrifying migratory animals, baffling local

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Speaker 2: hunters who know that land very well, and everybody got

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Speaker 2: so confused, perplexed, and frightened by this that the Canadian

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Speaker 2: government launched an official investigation.

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Speaker 1: Here's what they found.

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Speaker 2: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: production of Iheartradiu.

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Speaker 4: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nola.

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Speaker 2: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 2: our super producer, all Michig Control decads. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 2: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 2: they don't want you to know. Today's episode starts off

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Speaker 2: with something that's understandably a problem for many people. Strange noises.

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Speaker 2: We don't mean smacking, snoring, the squeak of styrophoam or

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Speaker 2: all those other demons of misophonia.

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Speaker 1: Don't know how about heavy breathing, guys.

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Speaker 3: People accuse me online of heavy breathing a lot, and

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Speaker 3: it's really made me self conscious to the point where

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Speaker 3: I lean away from the microphone really hard.

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Speaker 1: So thanks a lot, Internet.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about something much less annoying, and we're

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Speaker 2: talking about something much more mysterious, or so some would

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Speaker 2: have us believe. Longtime listeners, fellow conspiracy realist, you've been

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Speaker 2: with us as we explored the story of the windsor hum,

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Speaker 2: which by the way, will be solved in this episode

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Speaker 2: as well as the story of the infamous Bloop. But

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Speaker 2: this mysterious noise occurs in the far North, in an

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Speaker 2: isolated part of the world, home to more animals than

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Speaker 2: people the local population and is apparently being haunted by

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Speaker 2: a bizarre well. Some would describe it as a hum,

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Speaker 2: some would describe it as a beep. Today it's best

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Speaker 2: known as the Nunavut ping. Here are the facts.

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Speaker 1: So first off, let's do a little geography.

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Speaker 3: Nunavut is in Canada, right, but where it's north really north,

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Speaker 3: about as far north as you can possibly go. The

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Speaker 1: Nunavut is the.

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Speaker 3: Largest and northernmost territory of Canada and the fifth largest

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Speaker 3: which is interesting considering how few people actually live there.

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Speaker 4: It's really strange to look at on something like Google

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Speaker 4: essentially that ring, the Arctic ring around the North Pole.

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Speaker 4: There it's you're right up at the top. And this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this one, this one gave gave me a weird

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Speaker 2: rabbit hole, Matt. The population's thirty five, nine hundred and

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Speaker 2: So I was looking for an easy comparison. You know,

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Speaker 2: closest comparison I can find, which is Goose Creek City,

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Speaker 2: South Carolina, with a population of thirty five thousand, nine

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Speaker 4: You, yeah, shut shout out to Mount Pleasant and Bulls

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Speaker 1: Do you get there? Do you know about a creek city?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I'm all about some Goose Creek just from here.

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Speaker 4: You can you got to get to ninety five, but

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Speaker 3: Mint.

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Speaker 4: I'm just looking at a.

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Speaker 3: I would have loved the idea of Matt having like

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Speaker 2: Yes, as Nols said, please tell us your Goose Creek

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Speaker 2: Also incredibly new. It was officially created in nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: to prepare. This is not an especially welcoming environment. It's

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Speaker 2: The Arctic, as we know, is experiencing climate change, specifically

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Speaker 4: And just another thing to point out here is just

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Speaker 3: There aren't very many chain things, so there's kind of

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Speaker 3: Their folks, but apparently very very prohibitively expensive to fly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just speaking to that. Shout out to the whoever

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Speaker 3: Well, and apparently there's no specialty medical faci there. Doctors

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Speaker 2: So, as you can tell from that very high level look,

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Speaker 2: This area is also home to a mystery. It's one

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Speaker 2: Here's where it gets crazy, because you see, this area

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Speaker 2: that is most often I should say allegedly home to

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Speaker 2: something that is most often called a ping like ping like.

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Speaker 1: That sound of submarine makes right.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, well, it's it's interesting. It's been described a bunch

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Speaker 4: of different ways. Actually, sometimes it is that ping like

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Speaker 4: bit like the ones that we make on this show

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Speaker 4: when we need to record something again that you go.

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Speaker 2: Behind the scenes. That's behind the scenes, Matt. That doesn't

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Speaker 2: make it to the final at a thank you, Mission Control.

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Speaker 1: Where's Michael Winslow when you need him?

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Speaker 3: I wish you had him as a guest right now.

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Speaker 3: He could do all of these sounds perfectly for us.

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Speaker 3: But I think you did a great job, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: Thanks. So what you need to know is that there's

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Speaker 2: The booters who are aboard that private vessel passing through

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Speaker 4: A quick thing to think about here. This incident occurred

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Speaker 1: Some people just don't think about it.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to what you said, Matt,

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Speaker 4: Sorry guys, Oh we're really getting started in that realm ben.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's that's weird that we can come and say

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Speaker 2: Our success rate is if you look at if you

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's Corre, the Baffin Iron Mines Corporation. So they

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Speaker 4: as though, at least if they are telling the truth,

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00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 4: that that this may not be the explanation. And if

438
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: you don't want to just trust the company's words, you

439
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 4: can look to the local politicians who have also verified

440
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 4: that there weren't any official permits that were issued for

441
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 4: this company for construction or for other kinds of work

442
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 4: like blasting hydrography, which is a fun term as well,

443
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 4: and there was no there was no official permits for

444
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 4: work that would explain those sounds originating from that company.

445
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: But again, you're trusting politicians then, right, So.

446
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still in either case, back to the conspiracy

447
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 2: drawing board on this one. There's another theory that was

448
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: pretty popular in the local population that reminded me in

449
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: a way of allegation. Well, it's an allegation of eco

450
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 2: terrorism kind of and it reminds me of like Captain

451
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: Planet kind of fights. So what if the ping is

452
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: coming not from a mining corporation but from those nefarious

453
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: ne'er do wells over at Greenpeace. Oh, I know, right,

454
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: So what if? What if green Peace is the culprit

455
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: here for people who believe this The motivation of this

456
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 2: organization is to use the ping or some kind of

457
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: sonar device to scare wildlife away from the huntunting grounds

458
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: during this peak hunting season. This theory does not come

459
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: from thin air. It's not likely that someone just made

460
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: it up to troll people. Green Peace and the local

461
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: population have had ten six changes in the past, and

462
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 2: that was largely due to green Peace as historical opposition

463
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: to seal hunting in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties,

464
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: so decades ago. But there's still probably some bad blood,

465
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: or at the very least some distrust.

466
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: So the big question here is would an environmental group

467
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 4: like green Peace purposefully disrupt what's going on with the

468
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 4: natural behaviors of a large group of animals in some

469
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 4: roundabout way to save them. It's definitely one of those

470
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: things that feels like, Okay, I guess in a Doctor

471
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 4: Evil style green Peace maneuver, but it definitely it definitely

472
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 4: feels off to me like that wouldn't be It wouldn't

473
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 4: be a good idea because you changed the patterns of

474
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 4: those animals, where they live, where they hunt, where they feed,

475
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 4: You're going to cause some disastrous effects. Probably, yeah.

476
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: It First, to your point, it feels circuitous there I say,

477
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: Rube Goldberg esque. And secondly, it seems like a textbook

478
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: example of a situation where someone is choosing the lesser evil.

479
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: It feels like it would be anomalous for Greenpeace to

480
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: take that kind of course of action. That doesn't mean

481
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: it's not true, It just it seems weird and it

482
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 2: seems out a character. Green Peace denies this accusation the

483
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: same way that the mining corporation denied the accusation. In fact,

484
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: a spokesperson for Greenpeace, one Farah Khan, said quote, not

485
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: only would we not do anything to harm marine life,

486
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: but we very much respect the right of Inuit to

487
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: hunt and would definitely not want to impact that in

488
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: any way. This is important because it means not only

489
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: does green Peace not want to mess with the animals,

490
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: they're also say they don't want to mess with Inuit

491
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: hunting traditions. So their argument render if true, renders the

492
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: whole conspiratorial concept moot, because they're saying, first, we didn't

493
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: do that, and second, if there was something we could

494
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: do to disrupt this hunting season, we wouldn't do it

495
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: anyway because we think it's an important cultural practice. So

496
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: they're basically saying, you know, it's not our battle, not

497
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: our hill to die on. Additionally, to your point, Matt,

498
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: if you don't believe greenpeace anymore than you believe mining corporations,

499
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 2: we can note that government officials note no one has

500
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: seen a craft of any sort capable of carrying and

501
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: dropping sonar going through the area, or putting anything into

502
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: the water that you know would function as is so

503
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: in our device capable of creating this sound, etc. And

504
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 2: that all means boom, back to the conspiracy drawing board

505
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: we go. And this brings us to a third theory,

506
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: which I would say is I don't want to call

507
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: it fun, but it's fascinating, and I think we might

508
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: differ on our opinions of the plausibility here, guys, because

509
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: I I'm a little more pro conspiracy on this theory.

510
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: In particular.

511
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: Wait, wait, Ben, are you talking about submarines.

512
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: Not just the sandwiches?

513
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: Matt, We did an.

514
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 4: Episode not long ago on submarines, older submarines, and the

515
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 4: tech that was available, you know, back during the Cold

516
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 4: War days, was so advanced you can only imagine that

517
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 4: there might be something lurking out there in the waters

518
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 4: that nobody can detect.

519
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, in that same episode, we talked about how there's

520
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: no question that sonar really jacks with marine animals, especially whales.

521
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: And dolphins me and so many of them use their.

522
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: Own form of sonar to communicate, and this absolutely can

523
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: throw a real wrench in that system. And I mean,

524
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: the whole point of many of these submarines is to

525
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: swim under the radar. So if there were more advanced

526
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 3: versions of these things, we probably wouldn't know about it,

527
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: whether domestic or foreign. So to your point, Matt, who's

528
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: to say that some newer version of this technology doesn't

529
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: exist that either sounds different or acts a little different,

530
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: but still clearly, you know, disrupts marine life. But the

531
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: Canadian military has ruled out the presence of both domestic

532
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: and foreign subs in the area, at least that's what

533
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: they're saying in their official statements of the public. But

534
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: who knows how.

535
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: Accurate that might be.

536
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: I would just say, remember where we are in the world.

537
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: Right We're at the northern top of Canada, and I

538
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: would say just across the Arctic Ocean. It is a

539
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 4: pretty vast distance from that area to Russia. But if

540
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 4: you're thinking about it with a Cold War mindset, which

541
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say is gone from governments on

542
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 4: either side of that original conflict. It's evolved, certainly, But

543
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 4: if you're thinking about it in that way, then there

544
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 4: might be a strategic reason to be floating around in

545
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 4: the waters there.

546
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna save it.

547
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save it.

548
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna save it. Well, we'll get back to this,

549
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: but I completely agree with you, Matt, completely agree spoiler alert.

550
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: But let's say, just for the sake of maritime argument,

551
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: we say, okay, maybe that's not one hundred percent it.

552
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: We'll head back halfheartedly with caveats to the conspiracy drawing board.

553
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: As DJ Collin would say, another one. You see, there

554
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: is a fourth theory, conspiracy realist. It proposes that the

555
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: sounds were being emitted by essentially a science project in

556
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: the Arctic, funded not by Canada but by the United States,

557
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: specifically by the Office of Naval Research in the US,

558
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: this is called the Canada Basin Acoustic Propagation Experiment or

559
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: what would you can pay that?

560
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: Do you think DJ Collin has anything to do with this?

561
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: Do you think this is why he hasn't released any

562
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: new material in so long, He's just been working on this.

563
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask if DJ Collin has

564
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: released his own.

565
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: Material another one, another sickburn against.

566
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: He's been great to us, He's a good friend of

567
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: the show. Actually, I love hearing the contracts. It's a

568
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: guilty pleasure.

569
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: I wish you always you always know, you always know

570
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: it's him. Yes, it reminds me of those like those

571
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: mix or the you know when you buy a beat

572
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: on the internet and you don't pay the full price,

573
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: you need to get the sample. Occasionally in the background

574
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: it'll be like like six sounds twenty ninety and then

575
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: you know when you buy it, that goes away. It's

576
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: like an audio watermark. That's what DJ Khala does. He's

577
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: like a human audio watermark.

578
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and he certainly experiments with sounds right.

579
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 5: Oh, well, after I was getting at maybe this is

580
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 5: his This is his new material, Canapey, which also a

581
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 5: delightful French savory dish.

582
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: A cannopey. I think it's kind of like a crape.

583
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure it is irrelevant.

584
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 4: I have no idea I've heard I've heard the term though.

585
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: But but this, this project, called the Canada Based Acoustic

586
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 4: Propagation Experiment or canna PAY, it's really interesting, uses low

587
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 4: frequency sounds to try and figure out the ongoing changes

588
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: that are occurring in that general area with regards to

589
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 4: sea ice and how the how those changes. So if

590
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 4: you're as you're having less or more ice in an area,

591
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 4: how does that affect acoustics? So that sounds really interesting,

592
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 4: and they're thinking that this project could produce some data

593
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 4: for use in tracking submarines way up there in the

594
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 4: Arctic or just far north in general, like we're talking about,

595
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: uh oh, are submarines making a comeback already?

596
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: Another one?

597
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: It's the dust. But we have an expert, that's right.

598
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: We have an expert by the name of Peter either

599
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: Worchester or Worcester guess, depending on which part of the

600
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: country you come from or if you're English. But he

601
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: is a member of the Script's Institution of Oceanography at

602
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: the University of California, And he said that the sound

603
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: being generated by CANape, which by the way, is a

604
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: small amuse boosh that you might see on a tray

605
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: carried by a waiter at a party with little little

606
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: things on it, like a little smoked salmon perhaps, But

607
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: it's also this thing. But the sound emitted by Canna

608
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: Pay the sounds rather are very low and too far

609
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: away to be heard in the fury and heckless strait. Okay,

610
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: so this he's ruling this out for for the for

611
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: the ping.

612
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 4: Now what does make sense? The project is focused on

613
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 4: low frequency sounds, right, and we're talking about a very

614
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: high pitched for high frequency sound.

615
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 1: So yeah.

616
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: And one of the issues too, which Worster brings up,

617
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: is the problem of time, right, and and and distance.

618
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: So this experiment uh the sound to be responsible for

619
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: the nunavu ping, these experiments would have to travel very well,

620
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: a pretty long way, and it would still have to

621
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: be distinct from the ambience background noise, right, that's gonna occur.

622
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: So Worster outlines, you know how quickly this would dissipate

623
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: in the background noise, and instead he proposes another culprit,

624
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: a returning culprit that some of us may recognize from

625
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: our earlier episode on the bloop and he says it

626
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: could be Arctic ice, that could be the kaiser, so's

627
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: a here, and he notes that much of the acoustic

628
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: noise in the Arctic is caused by ice rubbing together

629
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: and cracking, sliding against itself, and moving. And favorite fact

630
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: about today's episode is that this is a known phantom

631
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: sound dating back to the days of early Arctic explorers. Well,

632
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 2: let me copy at that early European Arctic explorers. They

633
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: knew about these sounds. They were so common that Arctic

634
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: explorers in that age called these noises the devil's symphony.

635
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: How cool is that? And the descriptions ranged it kind

636
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: of had the same some of the same sounds we

637
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: hear the nunavuok ping being described as They would say

638
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 2: there was a buzz maybe kind of a really low hum,

639
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: and then they also said wheezing and loud bangs there.

640
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a nunavu wheeze yet, but that

641
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 2: would really creep me out. Can you imagine beat out

642
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: in the far North and then you just hear this

643
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: sort of.

644
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: That sounds is pretty cool. Actually like some kind of

645
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: experimental music. What if you were listening to the Devil's

646
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: Symphony while smoking the Devil's lettuce.

647
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 4: Bad combination, probably so or maybe great, who knows, but yeah,

648
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: that been that right there is the best fact of

649
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: this whole thing. And you right now can go on

650
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 4: YouTube and other places and hear sounds of ice in

651
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 4: both the Arctic and Antarctic, and just the incredible range

652
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: of tones and frequencies that you can get out of

653
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: ice interact with itself and other chunks of ice.

654
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: I can only imagine. I mean, you know, cracks. The

655
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: ice is like a man. I mean, think of like

656
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: the ocean, how far it extends. I mean, so many

657
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: of these bodies of ice are just take up just

658
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 3: as much, not just as much, but.

659
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: Are very very you know, wide ranging.

660
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: And for cracks to be spreading, you know, all at

661
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: the same time slowly and kind of these slow creaking

662
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: crack sounds like that really does sound pretty haunting just

663
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 3: to consider, especially if they were making like sympathetic tones

664
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: and causing.

665
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: These kind of weird vibration sounds.

666
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: And as reports of this ping grew or appeared to grow,

667
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: the Canadian government, including the members of the legislature that

668
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier eventually decided to investigate and to escalate

669
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: this to get the military involved, which I think just

670
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: I think is another interesting argument for the sub theory.

671
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: But what are we talking. We'll tell you after a

672
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: word from our sponsor, and we're.

673
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 4: Back and the government has become involved. Oh Canadian government,

674
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 4: what did you do? Well? In November of twenty sixteen,

675
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: they conducted several searches of the area using sound equipment. Essentially,

676
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 4: the military went through there and they were unable to

677
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 4: determine what was causing whatever these quote acoustic anomalies were.

678
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe they flew over the ocean with multi

679
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: sensor you know, scans essentially trying to find the origin,

680
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: but they couldn't do it.

681
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, they did, but it was a it was a

682
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 4: large jet or a plane.

683
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: Right.

684
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: I'm confused about that too, Matt, Like that makes so

685
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: much noise in and of itself, Like, not not that

686
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 3: we're acoustic specialists or anything, but a little weird. I

687
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: think they do it with a boat with the motors

688
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: turned off or something, you know what I mean.

689
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: Like, it does seem as though if you are getting

690
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 4: your initial reports from you know, a boat or a

691
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: ship traveling through that straight You would also in kind

692
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 4: send some kind of vessel through there with equipment sonar, acoustic,

693
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 4: or otherwise, just to test to see if you could

694
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 4: repeat it, rather than sending a plane over. But maybe

695
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: that's just to my ears.

696
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: ROV's a magnetometer. We do have to we do have

697
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: to keep in mind, however, that the relative inaccessibility of

698
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: this area and the size plays a role. Knowing something

699
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: or thinking something originates from the seafloor doesn't get you

700
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: out of that needle in a haystack situation. It just

701
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: points you to like a rough area of the hay

702
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: you know what. It just moves the haystack to the

703
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 2: sea floor. That's all it does.

704
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: It's a great point.

705
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: And in twenty seventeen they decided to well, they did

706
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: find something in their search, which doesn't particularly surprising. They

707
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: found two pods of whales and six walruses, so they

708
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: didn't come up completely empty handed.

709
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: But in twenty seventeen, oh wait, wait, one point though

710
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: about the walruses. What I love about the way this

711
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: is presented when you read about it is that it's

712
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: a total of six walruses. So I love that there.

713
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: It sounds like they're consistently discovering a walrus and it

714
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 2: keeps them going. So maybe my crazy conspiracy about this

715
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: is a seventh walrus. They just turned around too soon.

716
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you or Ben, but you know,

717
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: they didn't let this dampen their.

718
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: Spirits too much.

719
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, the Army had plans to send two

720
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: acoustic specialists to Eglulik to learn more about the ping

721
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: and just kind of like pull the locals, ask around,

722
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: like see who had heard it, what they thought it

723
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: sounded like. Seems like a smart move, So they ended

724
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: up sending one instead, a guy named Doug Brown no relation.

725
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: Brown was at Aglouick for a total of nine days

726
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: in January of that year, twenty seventeen. And here's some

727
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 3: things that he accomplished while he was there.

728
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 4: Well, the first thing that he didn't accomplish was recording

729
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 4: anything as far as audio goes of the strait or

730
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 4: the water or any pings whatsoever. Again, the according to them,

731
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 4: and according to the work that Doug Brown was commissioned

732
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 4: to do, the militariat attempted to record those sounds, and

733
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 4: they were unable to do so, so they sent him

734
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 4: there with a very different mission. He was instead interviewing

735
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 4: residents and locals as well as officials, and attempting to

736
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 4: just get as much information as he could about what

737
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 4: they had heard.

738
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: You don't think sending an acoustic specialist without like a

739
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 3: field recorder sort of like sending a photographer without a camera.

740
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: That's a little weird.

741
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: That's precisely what it sounds like to me.

742
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's true.

743
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if he brought that stuff

744
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: or what, or just decided to leave it in his bag.

745
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: But in that nine day span he was there, he

746
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: didn't make a single recording. Instead, he just talked to

747
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: folks to try to get their perspective. Doesn't seem like

748
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: it would necessarily take an acoustic specialist to do that,

749
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 3: but who far be it for me to question the

750
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: judgment of the Canadian government. He did play sound examples

751
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: for the locals. It does it sound like this, here's

752
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: a sonar ping ping.

753
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: You wasn't quite like that.

754
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: It was a little more of a pew, you know.

755
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: That's that's maybe the response. But who knows, because he

756
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: I wonder if he recorded the interviews.

757
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: That's a good question. And he asked.

758
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: If anybody knew who had heard the sound, and they

759
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: said no, that nobody in their community or organization had

760
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: heard any of the pinging sounds.

761
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: He also noted that the people he spoke with in

762
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: the community were much less concerned about what the media

763
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: called the mystery of the ping Instead, they were intensely

764
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: concerned about the lack of migration of the narwhale and

765
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 2: the walrus and other marine animals up to the Fury

766
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: and Heckless Strait. He was, you know, he did his

767
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: best to say, here's maybe a reason why, and he

768
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: wanted to answer their question and they're you know, address

769
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: their concern So he told them that the lack of

770
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: animals may be due to the environmental issues that have

771
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: been occurring and escalating in the North over the past

772
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: few years. And he said, you know, these issues may

773
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: have led to the animals just not migrating as far

774
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: as they once did. So the animals are still around, right,

775
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: They're just not at the same historical range. And then

776
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: in a he got a lot of help from rangers

777
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: who were based in the town and speak the local dialect,

778
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: because not every especially older members of the community don't

779
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: just speak that dialect. And so he went to that

780
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: local radio station and he had one of the rangers

781
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: put out a message translated from English to this language

782
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: and said, hey, you know, we want to hear from you.

783
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: Have you heard this ping?

784
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: Have you experienced it? Do you have a recording? Let

785
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: us know? And nobody answered. For one reason or another,

786
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: nobody answered, but I want to go back here. They're

787
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: interesting things about Doug Brown's investigation. He says, there's no

788
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: viable reason to put sonar in the area, so he

789
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: rejects the sonar claim. He says, the current is too strong,

790
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: there's too much ambient and background noise. Even if you

791
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: wanted to do it, you wouldn't get workable results, you

792
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

793
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we've seen plenty of examples of

794
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 3: the media maybe rolling with the story before confirming all

795
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: the details because it sounded cool. There's, you know, a

796
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: way to kind of sex up something that maybe there

797
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: isn't confirmed evidence for. It's not to say they're making

798
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: things up out of whole cloth, but we've definitely seen

799
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 3: this in our research time and time again. So could

800
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 3: the ping possibly have just been a rumor that got

801
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: out of hand. I mean, it seems to me that

802
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: the biggest report that we've heard of in this case

803
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: is those folks on the boat from the top of

804
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: the show that didn't record it on their cell phone.

805
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: And I don't even think we had names, So it

806
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: certainly sounds like that's possible. And then it could have

807
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 3: potentially been kind of, let's say, escalated based on something

808
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: that we all know well, the idea of fear, the

809
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: idea of being concerned about self preservation and something that's

810
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 3: out of your control to maybe explain it away or

811
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: to at the very least, you know, a sign something

812
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 3: to blame, and that would be the changes in migratory routes,

813
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: this notion that these sea creatures, sea mammals that were

814
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: so commonly seen in that particular area were gone this year.

815
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 3: But we also know that there's other things that can

816
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: lead to changes in migratory routes.

817
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I want to go back to second interesting

818
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 2: point about Doug Brown's investigation. I think speaks to what

819
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: you're talking about. There's an interview you can read with

820
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: Vice and they do excellent work, especially through Motherboard, where

821
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: Brown says, you know, he doubles down.

822
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: He says, I.

823
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: Never spoke to a single person who said that they

824
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: had any faith in the reality of this ping, much

825
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: less said they had heard it themselves. And in fact,

826
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: when he spoke with members of the Legislative Assembly, he

827
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: asked them, you know, the day one question you would

828
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: ask in this situation, he said, why does it seem

829
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 2: like so many papers initially reported hearing this noise, and

830
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 2: the legislative members said that was a quote misunderstanding of

831
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: the media. No one in the community, as far as

832
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: this assembly person knew, had actually heard the ping. And

833
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: this is odd because it wasn't just one paper reporting

834
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: these eyewitnesses accounts. With this, the Army thus considered the

835
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: case closed, and now it leaves us with several possibilities.

836
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: One is the idea that you brought up second ago, Nol,

837
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 2: the change of migratory patterns. That's something people can't really

838
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 2: fight immediately, right. That stuff has to change over time.

839
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 2: It's like a train. It takes a while to get

840
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: started and it takes a while to stop. But as

841
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier before the break, Matt, let's

842
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: go back to the possible submarines cover up idea. So

843
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: when Doug Brown, after he was sent to the area,

844
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 2: the government considered the case close and they pretty much

845
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: shut down this story, any further investigation, any official comment.

846
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: They were basically saying they want none of it.

847
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: I've never accused.

848
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: I'm I was, you know, fellow listeners, I was writing,

849
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: I was writing to the gang off air, and I

850
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 2: was like, I refuse to apologize for this terrible pun.

851
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: I'm sneaking in and no, I feel lighter.

852
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: I feel like you're certainly not alone.

853
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm looking at the YouTube comments on the

854
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: video that I was talking about about reasons you should

855
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: move to none of it, and the first comment say

856
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: is how much of that province is inhabitable?

857
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: Answer? None of it?

858
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 4: Oh sick burns all day.

859
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: And then and then and then everyone and then everyone

860
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: proceeded to school this guy. It's not a province, you moron,

861
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: It's territory. So you're a big dumb, dumb head and

862
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: your pun was bad.

863
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: And there's there's no solid proof of any cover up

864
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: at this point, Like there's no declassified documentation, there's no

865
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: deathbed confession, no former intelligence officer or anything. But there

866
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 2: is solid proof to your earlier point Matt, that the

867
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: melting ice of the Arctic Circle has made the region

868
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: a geopolitical hot spot. Think about it. There are billions

869
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: of dollars to be made in future Arctic shipping routes.

870
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: There are also potentially billions of dollars to be made

871
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: in extracting resources from this area. It is therefore, at

872
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 2: least this is kind of my opinion. It's not a fact,

873
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: it's speculation, but it is one hundred percent plausible that

874
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: foreign powers, including the US, Russia, heck, throw China in

875
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: the pile. As long as we're adding up scary superpowers,

876
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: they could be snooping around. And to your point about

877
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: hidden technology, Noal, it's possible they could be doing it

878
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: largely undetected. The motivations are there.

879
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 4: If not, the means, hey don't discount the Canadian Secret

880
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: Submarine Group whatever it is called. There's I don't even

881
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 4: know if it exists, but there's gotta be one, right,

882
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 4: There's got to be some kind of secret Canadian super

883
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: cold submarines.

884
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 2: They're so cool, but I just I couldn't. I couldn't

885
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 2: be in one for a long time. I don't know

886
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 2: about you, guys, I think I would I don't think

887
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: I would deal with it.

888
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, do you have any kind of claustrophobia?

889
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 5: Ben?

890
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: No?

891
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 3: No, I mean I I guess I've never really been

892
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 3: in a situation where where it would be that bad.

893
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: But I do have dreams sometimes where I'm like packed

894
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 3: into like a pipe or something, you know, and it's

895
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: not pleasant. The idea of being buried in a coffin

896
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: really freaks me out. So that's sort of how it

897
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 3: seems like it would be only for a very very

898
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 3: long time.

899
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: It takes us space. I mean, it's a rare set

900
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: of skills. You know, people who are submarriners are dedicated

901
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: and focused.

902
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: You'd have to be.

903
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: And I didn't mean to imply that you'd be on

904
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 3: a submarine for a longer time than you'd be buried

905
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 3: in a coffin.

906
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: That's a weird thing to say. I apologize.

907
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 4: It's totally fine. I mean, you can imagine just the

908
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 4: horrors of submarine flatulence and.

909
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 3: Just I mean, we talked about this last subs came up.

910
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: Just the overall smelliness of it all. It's definitely a thing.

911
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: Yep, it is, And everybody listening to this currently on

912
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: a submarine give us your favorite or your weirdest sub

913
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: smells stories. You can contact us directly anytime of day

914
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: or night. There's one last note for this. We've laid

915
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: out the broad categories the possibilities here. But whatever the

916
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: ping is, whether or not it actually exists, there is

917
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: one thing for sure. We do not need some mysterious

918
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: noise to explain the increasing decline in animal populations.

919
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: We have the culprit for that.

920
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: It's us, it's human civilization. We will kill these animals

921
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: out soon enough. And then this is not to be preachy.

922
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: These are these are just facts. This is the process.

923
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: These animals are specially adapted for a specific environment, and

924
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: that environment will will likely cease to exist. So if

925
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: you if you feel bad about that, go check out

926
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: polar bears. While you can be careful, they will kill you.

927
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: They are dangerous, dangerous things. But but you know, I mean,

928
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: we're it's it's ridiculous to ignore the fact, the objective

929
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: truth of the matter, and this is a show that

930
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 2: deals in facts, is that this this, this question about

931
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: the ping may well be moot. The animals are disappearing,

932
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: That's that's just true.

933
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: Well, and you know, not only are the animals disappearing.

934
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 3: The ice is disappearing, and that's the product of climate change.

935
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 3: And when the climate changes, the animals they find other

936
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 3: places that are more suitable to their climate needs. So

937
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 3: I do certainly think that that does seem to be

938
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 3: the most plausible explanation here, because unlike the winds are

939
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 3: hum the none of it ping has not been solved

940
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 3: and remains something of a mystery.

941
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 4: You're right, at least a mystery for now until we

942
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 4: discover that sub terrestrial submarine base at the bottom of

943
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 4: that street, which we will find in twenty twenty six.

944
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 4: It'll take a while, but we'll get there. I'm joking,

945
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 4: of course. But you know, there is one thing here

946
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 4: that we didn't really discuss.

947
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: Yes, what if the.

948
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 4: Sound wasn't mechanical in nature, or a vehicle or an

949
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 4: experimental piece of machinery. What if it was biological?

950
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 2: What are you saying, Matt, Are you saying some sort

951
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: of unknown organism could be responsible? It could be scaring

952
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: off the other known animals. Careful, my friends, we teeter

953
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: on the precipice of cryptozoology.

954
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 6: Oh dare we You mean like a locknested monster kind

955
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 6: of situation, Like a giant Arctic sea monster maybe.

956
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 4: But you'll have to wait until next episode to hear

957
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 4: about it.

958
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: That you are a mischievous devil and I love it.

959
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, a sea monster. Oh gosh, guys, the gates

960
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 2: of possibility are flung wide open. The horizon of creepy

961
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: stuff rushes forward from the future to meet us.

962
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: You guys know, the only thing I'm scared of more

963
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: than like birds is giant underwater monsters.

964
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 4: Really, Ah, yeah, I think.

965
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: I talked about it a while back on an episode.

966
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: I always have dreams that I'm like in this vast

967
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: sea and there's a giant presence beneath me, and I

968
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: sense it. And that's not that I'm worried about getting eaten.

969
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: It's just the very existence and presence and being in

970
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 3: the proximity of such a thing as very Oh it

971
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 3: makes my blood run cold.

972
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: So what do you think, folks? You know, in the

973
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: past episodes, we've seen mysterious noises traced to industry, like

974
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: the windsor hum or, natural causes like shifting earth or ice.

975
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: That would be that's the most widely accepted explanation.

976
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: For the bloop.

977
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: But do you think there's something else?

978
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: Here.

979
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a mystery afoot? Do you think

980
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: there's a sea creature? Do you think there's a mundane explanation?

981
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 2: Do you think there's some kind of difference between what's

982
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: actually happening and the official narrative? Have you yourself heard

983
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 2: this ping? If so, we want to hear from you.

984
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,320
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985
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,720
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986
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