1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in our number two Clay 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: with us. Encourage you to go download the podcast, make 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: sure you don't miss a single moment of the show. 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: Every single day of the week Monday through Friday, can 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: hang out with us. So we were just talking about 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: great nonfiction books and I finished one recently, The Splendid 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: and the Vial, which is about Churchill during the bombing 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: of England. Have you read that book? Buck? I'm about 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: seventy five pages into Dead Wake by Eric Larson, the 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: same author about the sinking of the Lusitania. We really 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: do nerd out together. Yeah, we did not board it. 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: This is like when we show up on TV wearing 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: the same outfit, exact same outfits. I will say I 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: am an unabashed Churchhill stand am. I read as much 17 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: about Churchhill as I can. One of the coolest things 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: that I've ever gotten to do was going to London. 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: If you've ever been to London and had an opportunity, 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: or if you will be going at some point, because 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: I know all the travel has been restricted to a 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: large extent for the past couple of years. The Churchhill 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: war Rooms in London, Buck, Have you been there? Have 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: you ever been able to see this. I've only spent 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: two days in London and I was twelves. I don't 26 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: remember anything. Really, I didn't get to go. So I 27 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: love London because again the history. I'm not sure any 28 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: city I haven't been to Rome I would love to 29 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: go at some point. But of all the cities that 30 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: I have visited, London does one of the best jobs 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: of mixing the amazing history with the modern day. And 32 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: you can walk into the Churchill war Rooms, you can 33 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: tour them. This is where Churchill managed the war against Hitler, 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: and it's underground and they're bunkers because obviously of all 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: the bombs that were falling on London, and it basically 36 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: is set up, Buck, you would be you would be 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: in disbelief of how amazing it is. It's as if 38 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: time has stood still the moment that they ended the 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: war in Europe. They essentially came out from underneath the 40 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: ground and they have preserved all the maps, the cot 41 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: that Churchill slept on, where the all the armies were 42 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: located at the day when they were finally able to 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: achieve victory in Europe. It is. It is one of 44 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: the coolest experiences if you are a history buff that 45 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: is possible. I'm telling you right now. Just put it 46 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: on your list. If you ever have the opportunity to 47 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: be in London, make sure that you go there. So 48 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: it's your favorite Churchill biography, the What's the What's the 49 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: Big William Manchester, The Last Lion? Yes, that's that tends 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: that's mine. I mean that tends to be the one. 51 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: I like the Roy Jenkins biography of Churchill too, but 52 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: yes I've got um. But the Splendid in the Vial 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: if you haven't read that focus is specifically on the 54 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: period where Hitler was ascendant and the question was is 55 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: he going to come across the Channel and invade and 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: they totally believed they did that. The psychology of all 57 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: of the bombs that they were dropping on England was 58 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: going to defeat the British people, and Churchill made a 59 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: calculated decision that he read Hitler better than anybody who 60 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: was alive at that time, and he understood what he 61 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: had to do in order to keep the war going 62 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: until he could get the United States and others to 63 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: come and join him. And remember, initially the United States 64 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: was providing material and resources while avoiding getting involved in 65 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: the war in Europe. And so let me play this 66 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: because Zelinski is making a calculated attempt to appeal to 67 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: the Europeans who remember and honor the legacy of Churchill. 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: He is making a very calculated attempt to be that version. 69 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: But I want to play for you. I believe we 70 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: have let's see here on the Zolensky take is a 71 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: good one, but I wanted to play first. I think 72 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: they went back and they pulled Churchill saying that we 73 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: would resist. Let's play the Churchill from nineteen forty. We 74 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: shall defend our island whatever they catch. Maybe we shall 75 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: fight on the beaches, will fight on the landing grounds. 76 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: We shall fight in the fields and in the streets. 77 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: We shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender. 78 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: That was Churchill June fourth, nineteen forty, speaking to the 79 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: House of Commons. Well Zolensky invoked Winston Churchill in his 80 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: remarks to the to the United Kingdom, to the Parliament there. 81 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: I want you to listen to this and take into 82 00:04:53,440 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: account the historical echoes give up, will fight till the 83 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: anti at scene the air. We will continue fighting for 84 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: our land whatever the cost. Well, we will fight in 85 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: the forests, on the shores, in the streets. So you 86 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: hear the historical relevance there. A great job pulling those 87 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: cuts to put him side by side by our crew. 88 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: But Zelinsky has become the focal point of Ukrainian resistance 89 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: both in Europe and around the world. What exactly, and 90 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: and he's clearly evoking Churchill, which continues the analogy which 91 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: some want to make of Putin as a modern day Hitler. 92 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: And let's be fair, every single time somebody does something 93 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: bad or it's something that you've disagreed with, the Hitler 94 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: analogy is tossed out there. But you're a guy who 95 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: studies history too. What is the evocation here long term 96 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: of Zelinski clearly awigning himself with Churchill? And what do 97 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: you think of the historical residence, the historical analogy and 98 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: what it means going forward for the Ukrainian fight. He 99 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: understands the messaging here is to draw a direct connection 100 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: between his stand against Putin's invasion and the Western world 101 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: at the time. Really, you know, the British Empire and 102 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: the United States and Canada, well those two together, but 103 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, coming together to fight against 104 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: Nazi Germany. I mean, this is what he wants people 105 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: to be thinking of, that this is a moment in time, 106 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: just like we're back at the early stages of World 107 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: War two, and that it's effectively inevitable. This is a 108 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: fight for humanity, for all of mankind, and this is 109 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: whether the long Night of fascism takes over or not 110 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: will be determined in this in this conquest. I don't 111 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: think that that is actually a fair historical analogy, unfortunately. 112 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: I think that this is. Yeah, obviously Putin has launched 113 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,559 Speaker 1: an aggressive invasion here, but the people that are saying 114 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: his next stop will be his next stop will be 115 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: and it's a NATO country. He's gonna take over Poland, 116 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: He's gonna take over the ball taks, He's gonna h No, 117 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: at some point we will fight. We're already talking about 118 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: a no fly zone, folks. It's been two weeks, and 119 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: I think Putin realizes if he tries to roll panks 120 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: into Poland, we're gonna have American a ten ward hogs 121 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: blowing up Russian tanks and you know, world War three 122 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: maybe upon us. I think I think he does know that. 123 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: But as we're seeing this right now, I'm as prepared 124 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: for it Clay. But sow Now, if someone somewhere invades 125 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: other country, America has to get involved directly with troops 126 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: in some because a no fly zone is American is 127 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: American military in a war zone as active combatants, and 128 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: that is what the and they realize it's a big 129 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: tipping point because once you do that, what comes next? 130 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 1: What's the next step. I'm not concerned about Putin taking 131 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: the next step because I don't think, based on the 132 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: way that the invasion has gone in Ukraine, that he 133 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: even has the supply lines buck to be able to 134 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: take him from Ukraine into another country like Poland. I 135 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: don't believe now he could fly in with planes and 136 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: drop bombs and attack that way. But the idea that 137 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: we're going to see a Blitzkrieg style attack where you're 138 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: rolling across multiple countries as we saw Hitler suddenly initiate 139 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: in World War Two, is not But I think that's 140 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: bad kind of I think that's bad faith analysis. I 141 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: think that's meant to terrify people who don't want us 142 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: to get into Ukraine and thinking, oh my gosh, if 143 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: we don't do this, you know, next thing, the next thing, 144 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna be flying the Russian Federation, going 145 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: to take over poland everything else like that. That's not 146 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: gonna You agree with me that they have to recognize 147 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: that that's not a probability, right, Like, it's almost impossible 148 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: to even conceptualize. Yeah, it's just not that's this is great. 149 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: He doesn't have the He can't do that is the 150 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: point I think that you're making. Yeah, he can't triggle 151 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: a trigger Article five of NATO response and withstand that 152 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: unless he wants it. Putin doesn't want a nuclear war. 153 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: He wants probably half of Ukraine and a promise that 154 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: it will never be a NATO. I'm not saying that's okay, 155 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: but I'm saying I think that is his end state here. 156 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: He can't take over all of Russia. Russia's gonna, i mean, sorry, 157 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: to take over all of Europe. Russia's got a trillion 158 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: point four economy that they're not gonna be able to do. 159 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: This is they can barely get to Keiv right now 160 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: with the resources. I mean, they've been straggled out and 161 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: strung out on the road for forty miles as we've 162 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: seen for a while, and they seem to have major 163 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: supply issues there. The idea that you're going to roll 164 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: into another country, not to mention one that would trigger 165 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: potentially NATO defense protocols, seems to me kind of crazy. 166 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: But I do think the historical relevancy for Zelinski is 167 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: he's playing clearly into the Churchill analogy because he knows 168 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,239 Speaker 1: that people now looking at this buck know that Churchill's 169 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: on the right side of history, right, and maybe one 170 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: of the few people in the twentieth century that everybody 171 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: can agree on is a true lionhearted hero, and that 172 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: might move European leaders and American leaders who are fond 173 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: of Churchill's legacy to be more supportive of him and 174 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: Ukraine than they otherwise it would be. I think it's 175 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: a smart play by him, Yeah, sure, And I think 176 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people will have in mind the movie 177 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: Finest Hour where Gary Oldman is playing Churchill, which goes 178 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: right to it's similar to this splendid in the Vial 179 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: in terms of the time period, right, Churchills and in 180 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: the Bunker trying to keep the war going despite the 181 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: machinations of Halifax. Who now it's treated like a bad guy. 182 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting the debate at the beginning of 183 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: World War Two of who in the British government wanted 184 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: to get involved. Obviously Churchill was much more bellicos And 185 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: now we say, well, Churchill turned out to be right. 186 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: Europe had just gone through World War One, I mean, 187 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: the effective thrown an entire generation of men into a 188 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: meat grinder for what purpose, for what reason, So it 189 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: was understandable that there was a lot of hesitation to 190 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: go through in a generation yet another, you know, one generation, 191 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: which is why France fell so quickly, Right, because France 192 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: succumbed to that same imagine a line. Everything else fell 193 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: apart because of the historical demand that World War One 194 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: extracted upon that entire country. But the other part of 195 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: this we have to remember is that America didn't even 196 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: want to get involved in World War two, right, I mean, 197 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: we were attacked by Japan. We were trying to remain neutral. 198 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: We had the Neutrality Act. In that movie Darkest Hour, 199 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: you had that phone call with FDR. He's like, well, 200 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: maybe we can let you pull the planes, old boy across. 201 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: Remember that, you know, Yeah, Yeah, it's not about FDR impression. 202 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: And I mean there hadn't been a lot of FDR 203 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: impressions on the radio in a long time, so I 204 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: think everybody's gonna believe it's a dead ringer. There we go. 205 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: But we were trying very hard at that point. The 206 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: US government was trying very hard at that point not 207 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: to get involved. And look, warf ever is a very 208 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: contagious thing. Uh. You know, I always reminded of the 209 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: Mark Twain, Samuel Clemens. It's essentially it's it's a short 210 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: story about the guy who comes in about the church, 211 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: and it's called I think it's called the War Prayer, 212 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: and it just goes to how people get very caught 213 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: up in and the moment when you're saying, hold on 214 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: a second, what are we doing here? They look at 215 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: you like you're the crazy one. You know, what do 216 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: you mean? You don't want to go to war? Right away? 217 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: It feels like we're moving in that direction right now. 218 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: We have a lot of coverage of a hospital that 219 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: was just hit. It's horrible. I was saying last week 220 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: and the week before, this is going to become atrocious. 221 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: It's going to be awful. We're going to see more 222 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: member Clay. Those opening days, it was people spreading all 223 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: these means about how the Ukrainians are just you know, 224 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: kicking but everywhere and everything's amazing. This is going to 225 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: get very very ugly. This is what war actually is. 226 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: And when people are proposing let's say that Zelenski to 227 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: bring it back to your point about Zelenski, as Churchill, Okay, 228 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: we lost a lot of people in this Second World War, 229 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, and that was a conflict that we tried 230 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: to stay out of and found ourselves brought into. Do 231 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: we really want to risk the possibility of open warfare 232 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: with Russia? I think a lot of people in this 233 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: country believe that we could kick Russia's but so fast 234 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: that we would barely even feel it, and that they 235 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't fire nukes. And I think that's wrong on both 236 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: counts well. And also the challenge would be we could 237 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: find ourselves in a first Iraq War situation. Buck Remember 238 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: in the First Iraq War, we dominated kicked Saddam Hussein's 239 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: but when he invaded Kuwait. But the problem was Suddam 240 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: Hussein was still in control after the First Iraq War, 241 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: and to what extent is putin even if we were 242 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: able to come in and kick them out of Ukraine, 243 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: to what extent are we committing to a regime change 244 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: in Russia? Because if we're not, the danger is perhaps 245 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: even more elevated and remained, such with Putin's still in 246 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: control of Russia even if we beat him in Ukraine. 247 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: And let's understand this, the Gunboss region, for example, and Crimea, 248 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: clearly that's unless you want Unless people wanted to have 249 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: the eighty second Airborne and and US Marines deploying to 250 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: fight urban and ground warfare against Russians, that's never going 251 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: to go back to Ukraine. The Russians will dig in 252 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: on that and treat that like Russian Federation territory. So 253 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: this is where we get into how do we bring 254 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: this thing. I just want this thing to end as 255 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: quickly as possible. I know a lot of everyone wants 256 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: to end as quickly as possible. But whatever achieves that 257 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: right now, I think and preserves the most human life 258 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: should be the goal. But look, apparently that's a minority 259 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: position right now. Seventy percent of people want to know 260 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: fly zone according to the most recent polling I've seen, 261 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: So we maybe had to think most people understand what 262 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: a no fly zone means. And again, I think everybody 263 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: wants this thing to be over. The question is how 264 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: do we get there and how do we do it 265 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: with the least loss of life as well as the 266 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: least risk of the loss of life because this idea, 267 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we had this good com versation in the 268 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: first hour about what would happen if a nuclear weapon 269 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: actually actually got let loose, And I don't think hard 270 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: than anybody's actually talking about it. 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There's even a piece today that Clay sent 302 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: me from the New York Times where they're saying yeah, 303 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: masks and social distancing don't really work that well, which 304 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: Clay we know is their way of saying, oh, yeah, no, 305 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: this stuff. If it worked a little bit, well, they'd 306 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: be doing victory dances. It didn't work a damn bit, 307 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: and they're pivoting really rapidly up towards eventually acknowledging that 308 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: none of our lockdowns, none of our masks, none of 309 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: our social distancing had any impact at all. And that's 310 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: where we're headed here, right. That's that's why Fauci, as 311 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: we pointed out a couple of weeks ago, has disappeared. 312 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: You can't find them anywhere. Has a single Blue Check 313 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: reached out to you, even privately, to say, wow, Clay, 314 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: you were right. Not just wondering now why I had 315 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: conservatives reach out to me starting about six to say, 316 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: right around when we teamed up, conservative reachi got to 317 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: say you were right about Fauci all along. I'm sorry 318 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: I doubted you. But no one on the left has 319 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: been like, oh, it turns out you didn't want to 320 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: murder old people. You're just not a moron. 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Appreciate all of 346 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: you hanging out with us as we roll through the 347 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: Wednesday edition of the program. Great piece this morning in 348 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: today's issue of the Wall Street Journal by a woman 349 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: who has been a guest with us a couple of times. 350 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: I think fled this New York City for the free 351 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: state of Florida. She is Carol Markowitz. And the headline 352 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: of your opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal is 353 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: and we talked about this some yesterday. New York City 354 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: keeps masking toddlers. The school system's policy is an exercise 355 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: and senseless cruelty. And Carol, this is crazy. I know 356 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: you've got kids. I've got kids. We finally get kids 357 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: K through twelve not required to wear a mask in 358 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: New York City. What Insanely they are still requiring two, 359 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: three and four year olds to wear masks, which are 360 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: probably the people who are least able to wear them 361 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: and as you point out, least necessary to wear them. 362 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: As well. Yeah, and who should have never been wearing them. 363 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: Even when we believe that masking perhaps did something which 364 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, who can still believe that. I don't 365 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: think that anybody thought that kids under five should be 366 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: masked ever. I mean, nobody else was doing this. Every 367 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: time you saw toddler being pulled off a flight, you 368 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: could be sure that that video was taken in America 369 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: because only we were masking toddlers. And it's just it's 370 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: crazy to me that it's March twenty twenty two and 371 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm still writing about masks on small children, as if 372 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: there isn't a mountain of evidence that they don't need it. 373 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: It's really soul crushing. I don't have small My youngest 374 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: is six, so if we still lived in New York, 375 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: this wouldn't affect me. But I cannot imagine that people 376 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: are okay with unmasking everybody except two, three and four 377 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: year old Carol. Do you come across anybody it's bucking 378 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: thanks thanks for being with us, of course, again, you 379 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: come across people that will actively defend this about I 380 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: find this fascinating. It feels like everything is always just 381 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: you know, someone else, as I have to do this right, Like, 382 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm just a cog in the machine. It's always by 383 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 1: it's always tyranny by committee with these COVID idiots, And 384 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: I just wanting used honestly, Like, do you come across 385 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: blue checks that are saying masking up children isn't necessary 386 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: to save lives? No, I don't, because it makes no sense. 387 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: So even if you believe that this segment of the 388 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: population should mask because there is no vaccine, it doesn't 389 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: make sense because only like forty percent of New York 390 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: City children are vaccinated five and up. So what you're 391 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: saying is that just because of a vaccine exists for 392 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: the five and up that they get to take off 393 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: their masks. That makes no sense, and I don't I 394 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: don't see anybody defending it. I don't know who put 395 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: this bug in Eric Adam's ear. It's really shocking to me. 396 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: I feel like it has to be teacher union related. 397 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, though, because obviously we don't have a 398 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: media that can. I just ask you also like the 399 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: teachers union thing, Carol for a while, because you've been 400 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: on the forefront of this and client I both just 401 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: really appreciate you writing on this and you wrote you 402 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: wrote in your recent year postop ed that you're wrong 403 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: at the beginning when you thought that schools shut down 404 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: should happen. Right, you actually believe in accountability, but you 405 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: change your mind when you saw the evidence. I thought 406 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: we would all do that as a country. I gravely 407 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: overestimated Democrats honesty and basic decency on this stuff. But 408 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: that only lasted a couple of months. Then I realized 409 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: they're completely out of their minds. But I mean, going 410 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: forward on this, I just do you. What is it 411 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: with the teachers unions? It just feels like they're doing 412 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: this because they can. I mean, it's one thing when 413 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: they can stay home for zoom learning, but it seems 414 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: like the teachers unions say, we're all scared our adults 415 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: even though they're vaccinated and whatever. So the like, what 416 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: is that all about? I feel like it is a 417 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: flex of power to say we still have control. But 418 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Like I got it wrong in March 419 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, and you know, Buck gives you a 420 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: lot of credit to getting it right early on, So 421 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: I get that people got it right when I was wrong. 422 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry that I pushed for schools to close 423 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: in March twenty twenty. I never believe that the two 424 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: weeks to stop the spread would lead to two years 425 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: of masking children and this insanity. And I just think 426 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: that if we don't get apologies and contrition and acknowledgement 427 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: from these people who got it wrong and continue to 428 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: get it wrong, they're going to do this to us again. 429 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: The pause right now with the mask mandates in New 430 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: York City is just a pause. It's not an ending. 431 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: They're just saying the numbers are down right now, we 432 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: can take off our masks were you know, might put 433 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 1: them back on, and might to me means that they 434 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: definitely will. Carol, I think you're one hundred percent right. 435 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: And this is why I keep beating the drum that 436 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two midterms have to be a referendum 437 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: on the politicians who allowed these awful decisions to be made. 438 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: I think, and Bucks said it, and I think he's right. 439 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: It's a single issue election. Our democracy. I really believe 440 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: this demands that we hold people accountable when they make 441 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: atrocious errors of judgment on our behalf. And the Democratic 442 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: Party did that for basically two years. And you're seeing Carol, 443 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: I know you left New York City. But the New 444 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: York Times had a piece I think it was yesterday. 445 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: I was reading where they said, hey, oh, by the way, 446 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: the people who suffered the most from school shutdowns were 447 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: poor and minority kids. Yeah, we've been beating that drum 448 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: for two years. It was self evident. And this morning 449 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: I wake up and their Morning you know, digest or 450 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 1: whatever they send out, it effectively acknowledged that none of 451 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: the mask mandates and none, I mean they they're tiptoeing 452 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: up to it, right. They're not definitively saying we got 453 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: this one hundred percent wrong. Will they ever? You're arguing 454 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: they need to do? You think we will get that acknowledgement. 455 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to get it for a 456 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: very long time. So the piece this morning about whether 457 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: or not any of the mitigation factors worked, which we 458 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: know they did not, was by David Leonhart, and he's 459 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: sort of the you know, he's the sanity whisper at 460 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: the New York Times. He brings news from two years 461 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: ago to them, and so he but even in that 462 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: piece he still has to hedge it and say, oh, 463 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, but if numbers go up, then we may 464 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: have to go back to masking. So he admits that 465 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: masking did not work, only to say that should numbers 466 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: go up, we should go back to the thing that 467 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: did not work. And this is what passes for, you know, journalism. 468 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: And it really kills me that he's the best that 469 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: we have to even offer like he's the best at 470 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: the times. He's our only hope at the times. Really 471 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: is what it is, and that's scary. Speaking to Carol Marker, 472 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: What's got a great piece in the Wall Street Journal 473 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: just yesterday in New York City keeps masking toddlers, which 474 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: is senseless cruelty. She's one hundred percent right. She also 475 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: had a piece of the New York Post saying what 476 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: we've been saying here on the show, and I want 477 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: everyone on the team on this one. We got a 478 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: demand apologies and I was wrong from the people who 479 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: were wrong. We cannot allow this to be a suspension 480 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: of all this. And to that end, Carol, it was 481 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: about power early on, and it was about the election, 482 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: and then I think they created this mass hysteria that 483 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: they they had to just keep feeding. You know, a 484 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: lot of them. It's tough to tell, you know, with 485 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: the apparatus and Faucci. I'm making jokes all the time 486 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: because it's so true. You know, what happened to Fauci? 487 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: Did he get you know, lost under the seats of 488 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: a taxi cab here in New York? And does someone 489 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: have to go find him? I mean, you know, he 490 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: is he locked in a in a thimble somewhere. Like 491 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: what's going on? And with all this, it feels to 492 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: me like ego is a huge part of this that 493 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people who think they are very smart 494 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: and very data driven were very very wrong and they 495 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: actually can't, like psychologically cannot compute this even though it's 496 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: so clear now, So they'd rather continue with the delusion, right. 497 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: I play poker, So in pokers, they can't get off 498 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: the hand like they thought they had aces in the beginning, 499 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: and now they they're clearly beat, but they can't stop 500 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: betting into the pot. And that's where we are right now. 501 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: These people absolutely cannot admit defeat. And it's really just 502 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: again scary for the future. I don't even I wouldn't 503 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: care so much about them admitting that they've ruined the 504 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: lives of children and lives of so many people for 505 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: two years I wouldn't care about that as much if 506 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: they didn't continue to have so much control over the 507 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: rest of us going forward, and the fact that they 508 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: can just bring all these policies back at any time. 509 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I mentioned to you I met a couple 510 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: in Florida who are big fans of the show. I 511 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: know they're listening right now. Their business I mean suffered. 512 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: They described how they didn't sleep for two years, and 513 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: how painful it all was, and how nobody cared and 514 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: it was supposed to you know, these people were at 515 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: home baking bread and on their pelotons, thinking that nobody 516 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: else was affected, And it's just it's tragic to me 517 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: that they retain all this level of control to ruin 518 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: our lives going forward. Carol, I've made the analogy of Vietnam, 519 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: not in the context of obviously this being a war necessarily, 520 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: but there was a contentious battle between people who said, hey, 521 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: we need to fight the war in Vietnam. We need 522 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: not to. Now, if you talk about the history of Vietnam, 523 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: almost no one will admit to believing that Vietnam made 524 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 1: sense to ever fight. Will we end up with COVID 525 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: where people like you, me and Buck and many of 526 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: our listeners out there who have been fighting these anti restriction, 527 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: anti lockdown arguments where almost everybody just ends up arguing 528 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: that they were on our side all along. And no 529 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: one will admit, you know, twenty years from now, that 530 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: they ever believed kids needed to wear mask that two 531 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: year olds needed to be masked up, or the kids 532 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: should have ever been out of school. So what's wild 533 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: is that that's our basic best case scenario, right because 534 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: they don't admit it, then it's very easily we can 535 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, have COVID twenty twenty eight and have to 536 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: start all over again. This is not something that h 537 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: it just ends. Um. We could absolutely have a different pandemic. 538 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: This happens. And these people, unless they unless they go 539 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: back and say I was wrong, unless they even internally 540 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: say that maybe not even to us, they're very likely 541 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: to return back to the same mitigation factors. I mean, 542 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: if you look at like what the health agencies have 543 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: been saying, I mean, well, Lensky said, you know, I 544 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: think in January that masking provides no, it might have 545 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: been December, sorry, but that that masking provides eighty percent 546 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: protection against UM against viruses. And she said not just COVID, 547 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: she said also flew and the common cold. Now, if 548 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: that were true, I mean we would be basically curing 549 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: the common and cold. But obviously that's not true, and 550 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: it means that the masks are more effective than the 551 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen vaccine. 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Welcome back 586 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: to Clay and back, thanks for rolling with us today. 587 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: We're going to have our friend Braheim Kasam of the 588 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: National Pulse, he's editor in chief of their joining us 589 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: in just a few minute to give his perspective on 590 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: just the mess the war, the conflict, the intervention possibility 591 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: in Ukraine, all of that coming up here in just 592 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 1: a few minutes. We'll also talk about the latest on 593 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: the parental Rights Bill, which, unfortunately the messaging campaign has 594 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: been on defense for conservatives of this for the last 595 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: few days because they're calling it that don't say gay bill, 596 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: which is a lie. We will dive into that in 597 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: the third hour of the program as well. Curtis in Vancouver, Washington. 598 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: It's got some thoughts for us. Thanks Curtis. Yeah, I 599 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: was listening earlier. You had reference to the latest book 600 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: about Churchill and to the discovery of the Endurance and 601 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: the book by Alfred Jay Lansing Endurance, and there's a 602 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: couple of references I wanted to share. Are also sure, 603 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: But when the First World War broke out in August 604 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: of nineteen fourteen, Shackleton cabled the Admiralty the first a 605 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: Lord of the Aprilty was Churchill at the time, and 606 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: said we are prepared to volunteer and mass as a 607 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: crew for a ship, or we could proceed with the expedition. 608 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: A Churchill radio back, one word proceed. Ah, that's interesting, yeah, yeah. 609 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: And Shackleton had already become a night after his attempt 610 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: to reach the South Pole in nineteen oh five, which 611 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: got within not actually nineteen o eight, I think it was, 612 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: which got within sixty miles of the South Pole forward 613 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: before he turned back, So it was a failure, but 614 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: it was the farthest nerd he ever got. And they 615 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: were discussing in nineteen twelve of having appropriations for eight 616 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: Dreadnought class battleships instead of just the usual four, and 617 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: Arthur Clennon Doyle, who was a lord in the aprilty 618 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: in the House of Lords, got up and said, we 619 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: can afford the eight Dreadnoughts, but where can we find 620 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: the eight Shackleton's to captain them. It's a great line there, 621 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: you go. I mean, look, we got a lot of history. 622 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: Thank great call, Curtis. What were the odds if you were, like, 623 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: you know, putting some chips on the table that there 624 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: would be a Shackleton Churchill discussion breaking out on the 625 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: on the show? Do you bring it all full circle here? 626 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: On CNB. I would also say, though, for those of 627 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: you who haven't read in Derance, I was even trying 628 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: to get the team here to maybe get the kindle 629 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: or pick up a copy of it. It's a good 630 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: thing to read, because no matter what kind of day 631 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: you're having, clay you're not six months in to living 632 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: on an ice flow up to your elbows in seal 633 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: blubber hoping you don't freeze to death that night, You 634 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, that's no matter what kind 635 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: of day you're having out there, folks, I don't think 636 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: you got that kind of day going on. Clayton in 637 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: Georgia's got some thoughts for us? What's up Clayton? Hey, 638 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: good afternoon, guys. I appreci analysis y'all bring to a 639 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: lot of topics. I have a couple of questions on Ukraine. 640 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: First of all, how is the United States or Europe 641 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: better off if we let Putin grind Ukraine down and 642 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: eventually capture the entire country and all of its resources. 643 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: And then second, you know, if we don't do a 644 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: no fly zone or some other type of intervention, what 645 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: do you guys think is the best case scenario? Give 646 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: him the Eastern territories, try to strike a partition of 647 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: the country. You know, where do we go from here? 648 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: So I'd love to hear your thoughts on that, even 649 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: if it goes into the next hour. Sure, sure well, 650 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: we will get into more of that with Raheem Kasam, 651 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: our friend from the National Pulse in a few moments. 652 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: But I'd give a quick version of an answer then, 653 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, pass the baton to Clay on it. I 654 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: think that it's not in our interest to let Russia 655 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: take all of Ukraine. It's also not on our interest 656 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: to be in an open war with a nuclear armed 657 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: state that may feel like it is more backed into 658 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: a corner than we realize the moment US planes start 659 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: flying and shooting down Russian planes. And as for what 660 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: Putin wants, or rather the best case, best case scenario 661 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: in my mind that's realistic, is sometime in I would 662 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: love to say in the next few days, but it 663 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: might be the next few weeks. We come in here 664 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,959 Speaker 1: and we tell all of you that Putin has said 665 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: that there's a negotiation underway and there's a full scale ceasefire, 666 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: and they're essentially going to allow Russia to maintain control 667 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 1: of some separatist regions and the Ukrainian government has agreed 668 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: to have some kind of elections with international monitors. That's 669 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: best case scenario as I see it. At Clay, What 670 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: do you think the first part is. I don't think 671 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: long range that Putin can maintain control of Ukraine. I 672 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: think that the country will get resourced out and bled 673 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: out over a prolonged period of time because Ukraine will 674 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: not allow Russia to rule it. I think we've seen 675 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: enough of what has been the resistance so far to 676 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: be confident in that. So I think Putin has to 677 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: on some level recognize that if he doesn't, then he's 678 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: going to destabilize his entire country trying to occupy you 679 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: Ukraine as a controlling authority when there is a constant rebellion. 680 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: I agree with Buck on the best case scenario. I 681 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: think it probably. I mean, the best case scenario is 682 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: that Putin gets overwhelmed and somehow there's a democratic aligned 683 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: leader who takes over. That seems that that's a miracle. 684 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: That's a miracle. Most likely scenario, I think is part 685 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: of eastern Ukraine is given back to Russia. Putin claims 686 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: it's a victory. Ukraine is willing to give that up 687 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: because the battle's been going on there since twenty fourteen, 688 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: and the war ends with Ukraine and Zelinski maintaining control 689 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: of most of the country, but putin adding more to 690 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: the overall footprint of Russia. That to me seems like 691 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: the most likely best case scenario. You to hear a 692 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: different perspective than I think you have in a lot 693 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: of other places from our friend Raheem Kassam. He will 694 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: be joining us in a few moments here. He's the 695 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: editor in chief of National Pulse and away in with 696 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: him on this and much more coming up.