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Speaker 1: I'm buzz Night, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast,

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Speaker 1: and welcome.

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Speaker 2: To another look at this week in music history.

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Speaker 1: And we turned to the music history desk too, Musician,

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Speaker 1: music fan, media executive, podcaster and purveyor of all things music,

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Speaker 1: Harry Jacobs.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome back. I'm I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: If Corey Feldman can be considered a musician, so can I.

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Speaker 4: I live in that world. I'm a musician too.

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Speaker 2: Damn it than you. That's so funny. I could just

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Speaker 2: see him, I could see I could see both Corey's.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and Corey listen. Corey Feldman. Uh, you know

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Speaker 3: he takes a lot of grief. I know he's been

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Speaker 3: on the podcast, I know you've had him here. But

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Speaker 3: but that guy gets butchered online and he continues to

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 2: He gives zero.

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Speaker 4: F's as they say, this is true, this is true.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 4: Good for him.

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Speaker 2: Yep, good for him. So what do you have for

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Speaker 2: the week of March thirty first?

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Speaker 4: Well, April first, this is a big day.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite albums of all time was Pet

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Speaker 3: Sounds by the Beach Boys, and that session began in

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Speaker 3: gold Star Studios in nineteen sixty six, on April first.

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Speaker 3: When you look at the track list on that, certainly

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Speaker 3: two or three of my favorite Beach Boys songs. Think

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Speaker 3: about slip John b Is on that wouldn't it be nice?

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Speaker 2: Is there? And God only knows, think about how powerful

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Speaker 2: those songs are.

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Speaker 4: They are powerful.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm gonna put myself in the category.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you were, but I was the

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Speaker 1: Beatles person first, and then you know, in discovering Pet

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Speaker 1: Sounds and all the hoopla about it, I wasn't there

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Speaker 1: at the beginning, but over time, I definitely appreciate those

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Speaker 1: songs and certainly more of the work of the Beach Boys.

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Speaker 1: And you can't deny that, you know, there was competition

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I know you don't like to be you know,

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Speaker 3: you and I older brother, younger brother kind of thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But my actually, my parents, my mother in particular was

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Speaker 4: My father was the Beatles fan.

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Speaker 3: It was an interesting, you know, household to grow up.

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Speaker 3: When I was a kid, I favored the Beach Boys

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Speaker 3: that was post surf in the USA and Barbara.

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Speaker 2: Ann and and all that. That music for them changed.

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Speaker 3: You know, they went through that same kind of evolution

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Speaker 3: that the Beatles did that led them into Sergeant Pepper's

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Speaker 3: and you know, things that just you know that the

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Speaker 3: music evolved over time, as it does for for everybody.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I favored the Beach Boys at that time,

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Speaker 1: But when I was programming in Columbus, we took the

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Speaker 1: morning show there it was John Fisher and Daddy Wegg's

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Speaker 2: And one of the guests that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and it was sad, I have to tell you,

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Speaker 2: So he wasn't very talkative, and he had a terrible cough.

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Speaker 1: I remember, and it was it was a sad, you know,

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Speaker 3: He was a you know, a tortured, torture guy. Did

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Speaker 3: you see Love and Mercy where John Cusack played Brian Wilson. No,

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Speaker 3: It wasn't ass I mean, you know, just an abusive,

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Speaker 2: He didn't want to go on the road, right, He

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Speaker 3: He he wanted to send you know, Mike and Carl

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Speaker 3: And it's easy to see to me, as someone who,

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Speaker 3: how he could have become, you know, this introvert, a

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Speaker 3: you know, being on stage. So that love and mercy.

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Speaker 3: I would absolutely put that on your list. It's a

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Speaker 3: heartbreaking movie in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: So I love I love junk USEX, so I'll check

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Speaker 4: April second, it's an interesting day.

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Speaker 3: It was the day that Marvin Gay was shot by

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Speaker 3: third is his birthday, which is you know, a crazy,

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Speaker 3: you know, sad sequence of events, haunting.

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Speaker 2: It takes two and ain't no Mountain high enough.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is the stuff that he was a

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Speaker 2: To me, was just magnificent.

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Speaker 4: I always loved Marvin.

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Speaker 2: Gay totally same here. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: The Rolling Stones released Brown Sugar on April third, Marvin

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Speaker 2: Legendary track. Oh yeah, very open to that track.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know another great Keith Lick, A great

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Speaker 3: Breakfast in America, the Super Tramp album was released on

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Speaker 3: this day, another one with a ton of great tracks.

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Speaker 3: We when we were at w ZX and Boston, there

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Speaker 4: Do you remember that there was a giant poster.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have this. It was it was the post.

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Speaker 1: I think super Tramp particularly that that album, uh greatly underrated,

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Speaker 3: I think songs on that album got big rock radio play.

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Speaker 3: Logical song take the Long Way Home and Goodbye Stranger.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye Stranger was fun. Oh yeah, that was a cool

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Speaker 3: little bitty That's another one. I have a playlist Supertramped playlist.

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Speaker 3: for sure. April fifth, nineteen ninety four. Kobay took his

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Speaker 2: In a lot of ways. You brought it around full circle.

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Speaker 1: And as we're having this conversation, the news just came

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Speaker 4: Two hundred and seven million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Which I think probably would have made Kurt Cobain. I

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Speaker 1: rate watching that appen.

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Speaker 2: Going what you know, I think he would have he

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Speaker 4: Know you're an Apple Music user because we share some

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Speaker 3: Of playlists, but you know you can't add your own music.

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Speaker 3: You can add your own music to Apple iTunes, but

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Speaker 2: You can't do any that's all bunk.

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Speaker 3: Now you need a third party application to put your

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Speaker 2: Now, I didn't realize that I have an app.

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Speaker 2: That would be my to say, what do you think?

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Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy three, they began recording Dark Side of the Moon.

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Speaker 3: The Twilight Zone premiere in nineteen sixty four. Little pop

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Speaker 3: On April fifth, nineteen thirty nine, speaking of dark Side

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty active week the week of March thirty. First,

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Speaker 1: thank you Harry Jacobs and the Music History Desk for

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Speaker 1: all of that work, and it's great having you back

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Speaker 1: on and thanks for listening to the Taking a Walk podcast.

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