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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello friends,

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Speaker 1: and particularly today fellow sports fans, we have someone in

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Speaker 1: the hot seat at Work in Progress today that I

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Speaker 1: am so excited about. I am sitting down with ESPNS

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Speaker 1: Malika Andrews. She made her debut as a sideline reporter

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Speaker 1: during the twenty nineteen and twenty twenty season, and in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, at just twenty six years old, she

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Speaker 1: became the youngest sports broadcaster to host the NBA Finals

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Speaker 1: trophy ceremony. She then made history again in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two as the first woman to ever host the NBA Draft.

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Speaker 1: She's won an Outstanding Personality Emerging on Air Talent Sports Emmy.

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Speaker 1: She's appeared across multiple platforms on the Disney family of networks,

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Speaker 1: from GMA to Sport Center to ESPN dot com and radio,

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Speaker 1: and prior to joining ESPN, she worked for both The

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Speaker 1: Chicago Tribune and The New York Times. I am so

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Speaker 1: jazzed to ask Malika all of my nerdy fellow journalist

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Speaker 1: questions about how she studied, how she has achieved so

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Speaker 1: much at such a young age, and my most pressing question, perhaps,

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Speaker 1: which is can she watch basketball. Just for fun, let's

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Speaker 1: dive in with Melika Andrews.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm well, thanks?

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Speaker 2: How are you? I am doing this signe? Are you

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Speaker 2: from LA? Originally I'm not. I'm from northern California. I'm

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Speaker 2: from Oakland. I was born and raised in Oakland. I

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Speaker 2: went to boarding school in Utah, but I was raised

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Speaker 2: in the Bay Area, and then I went to college

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Speaker 2: and Portland moved to New York Chicago, LA. So that

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Speaker 2: was my winding major metropolitan city road. I was in

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Speaker 2: Portland when my little sister, who is two and a

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Speaker 2: half years younger than me, called me and said, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a fun little television show I think you should watch.

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Speaker 2: And that's when I was introduced. Brooke introduced us. Your

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Speaker 2: character introduced us, I guess. So my first experience with

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Speaker 2: you and your work was was her, and so watching

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Speaker 2: you there and seeing everything that you have done and

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Speaker 2: become since then has really been I told Kendra that

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Speaker 2: I was going to do this today and she was like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's so cool. That's so cool. Life kind of comes

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Speaker 2: in these circles, and so I think that that's really

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Speaker 2: a very cool thing for me.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's so neat. Thank you so much for sharing that.

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Speaker 1: And hello to Kendra. I love I love that nice

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Speaker 1: little connection.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so.

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Speaker 1: Curious what was it that made you want to go

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Speaker 1: into I mean journalism first and foremost, but sports journalism

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Speaker 1: because my my weird winding path.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we all have a weird winding.

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Speaker 1: I went to school for theater, and then the theater

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Speaker 1: department felt a little restrictive for me, and I wound

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Speaker 1: up studying journalism alongside theater, and that really, I think

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Speaker 1: activated me as a storyteller, as an activist, as a writer.

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Speaker 1: You know all these things, and I can see how

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Speaker 1: it all connects now, and I wonder for you, where

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Speaker 1: where did the journalism passion come from?

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Speaker 2: So it's funny you say connects now because I think

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Speaker 2: the things that I'm going to say about how it

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Speaker 2: connected are not what I was thinking at all in

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Speaker 2: I'm talking twenty kids going to individualized schooling where you

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Speaker 2: deeply feared fomo. I deeply feared missing out. I deeply

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Speaker 2: I have, I always sort of felt like I didn't

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Speaker 2: telling me that that's something that now people are saying,

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Speaker 1: Wow, there's so much I relate to and what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: I went to an all girls school of fifty five

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Speaker 1: go to USC. It's why I wanted to experience Greek life,

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Speaker 1: It's why I went to the games on Saturdays, the

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Speaker 1: going and shooting my show was it was my first

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know.

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Speaker 1: How much in my bones I feel what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: the intensity of the fomo I had at that stage,

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Speaker 1: Isolated in my identity as you're explaining. So it's like

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Speaker 1: I feel it so deeply I could cry, And I'm

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Speaker 1: also like, I know how hard it was for me,

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Speaker 1: it was for you, and my God, like, it's it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Just your you know, the loneliness that you used to experience,

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Speaker 2: can you. It was only recently that I started to

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Speaker 2: wanting to do what I enjoy doing, which isn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: Or just because you don't post it, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: Course, absolutely, And look, I think and we're all guilty

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Speaker 1: I didn't grow up in like a fancy riding world

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Speaker 1: this other thing that everyone wants to do. But I

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Speaker 1: It was why I chose such a big college. It

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, when you're tapping into that that thing.

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Speaker 2: And I still, you know, honestly, up until maybe in

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Speaker 2: the last five to seven years, when people asked me

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Speaker 2: that's very basic. You know, you said, where did you

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Speaker 2: where'd you grow up? I grew up in Oakland, Oh.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in the Barrier too. Where'd you go

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Speaker 2: to high school? It's the natural next question that somebody

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Speaker 2: else were speaking for community, right, no ill intent, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think it's really important. And look,

435
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: I think anyone who's been through anything knows what it

436
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: is to keep up appearances while you're trying to figure

437
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: out your life. I think one of the great sort

438
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: of moments for me of coming to terms with trying

439
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: to do everything right and being so unhappy. Was not

440
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: only having the wherewithal to admit that to myself, but

441
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: really I think I was saved, as you said, by

442
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: my community of women, because as it was happening to me,

443
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: it was happening to a bunch of friends around me.

444
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: And when I realized we were all in versions of

445
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: the same boat, and we were all in similar pain,

446
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: and we all had made it look so good and

447
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't, it was in a weird way, it gave

448
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: me permission, Like when my best friend called me. You know,

449
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: my best friend who is my sister, She is my family,

450
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: her son is my godson, like she is my person.

451
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: And when she was like, I can't do this life

452
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: I built anymore, and I was like I can't either.

453
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: And then another friend called, and another friend called in,

454
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: another friend called and everybody was I was like, wait

455
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: a second, I'm not failing. I'm just having to admit

456
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: that I'm not happy. And weirdly, the way that I

457
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: wanted to love my people through their unhappiness made me

458
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: realize I deserved to be loved through mine as well.

459
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: But isn't it interesting when you see your stuff reflected

460
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: in somebody else. Your response, anyone's response is usually compassion,

461
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: but to yourself.

462
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: It's judgment because you look at your own, you know,

463
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: quote shortcomings, it's like, oh, I'm failing. But when a

464
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: friend is in pain or a friend is struggling, you're like,

465
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're struggling. I'll do anything I can

466
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: to help you. And so it is really interesting. And

467
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: I think for me, figuring out how to help my

468
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 1: people made me help myself.

469
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: In a better way.

470
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: And what it really did as well, it forced me

471
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: to say, why do I care what anyone else thinks

472
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: of me? All these people were cheering for me when

473
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: I was miserable, And if they're not going to cheer

474
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: for me getting free or getting happy, what does the

475
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: cheering mean? And so I think, I don't know. I

476
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: think when you have things to you heal from or process,

477
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: which really we both do, and I actually think everybody does.

478
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: I think we are we are fortunate. Our generation has

479
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: has access to the language and the tools about mental

480
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: health in ways that prior generations haven't. But it also

481
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: means it's kind of our task to shift the way

482
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: we live and relate to ourselves and to others, and

483
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: it's a big one. I think we're really lucky to

484
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: kind of all be in it together. But it is tricky,

485
00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: and I think it's especially tricky when your job requires

486
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: public presence in public life, because you don't you don't

487
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: get to take a sick day, you don't get to

488
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: have a day a day off.

489
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: You don't.

490
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: You don't get to have a bad day. And I

491
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: think maybe because so many people are worried that they're

492
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: the only ones having bad days, that's where that haha

493
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: comes from when people trip. Yeah, And it's the thing

494
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: I think we need to ditch immediately, and before I

495
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: forget to say this, because I wanted to say this

496
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: to you three times in the last four minutes. I'm

497
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: having an AHA moment talking to you like this, even

498
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: in the ways, by the way that I perceive you

499
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: and what you do, I'm going, Oh, now, I understand

500
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: why you're so good at striking this balance as a

501
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: journalist between covering who these athletes are and their personal

502
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: stories with their performance on the court, Like duh. Of

503
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: course it's because you are doing the same in your

504
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: own life. And of course it.

505
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: Is I appreciate you saying that it really really means

506
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: the world to me. There is no compliment that I

507
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: take more than when a woman I admires who's had

508
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: to walk through a fire tells me that they see

509
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: mine both what I the fire I've walked through and

510
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: the fire that's within me Like that. There's nothing that

511
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: means more to me than that. When I was listening

512
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: to you talk about that kindness and how it's judgment

513
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: for yourself, but a kindness towards other people. You know

514
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: that phrase, treat others the way you want to be treated. Yes,

515
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: I just just as you were talking, I said to myself,

516
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: maybe I need to treat myself the way that I

517
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: strive to treat others. Yes, Because my goodness, are we

518
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: so tough on ourselves? And I do think that what's

519
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: the balance between perfectionism being something that drives you and

520
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: something that also is like a little bit debilitating you

521
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: need to shake in order to be happy. Right, Because

522
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: when I moved to Los Angeles, I told myself this

523
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: story that all I had time for was work, and

524
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: it requires this singular focus and it does. The athletes

525
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: that I cover are the best in the world, and

526
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: so I do believe that you need to match their

527
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 2: dedication to the sport with how you cover them. That

528
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you don't make mistakes. That doesn't mean

529
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: that there aren't stories that twenty two year old Melika

530
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: I would cover differently than thirty year old Malika. But

531
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: these breaks that I had in the day, I would

532
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: just sit and work and wait for games to come on,

533
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: versus those two or three hours using them to do

534
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: something I really enjoyed outside of work. Because I do

535
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: think everything is a balance, right and balance. Like when

536
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: I say balance, I don't mean work life balance, because

537
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: I sort of think we need to get away from that.

538
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: Everything is sacrificing at all times. There is no balance

539
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: purely for women. But what I mean is finding a

540
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: recipe that works for you, that allows you to be

541
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: the best and happiest version of yourself at work. And

542
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: so for me, those ingredients were my husband, horseback riding,

543
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: and reading. That combined with work is my recipe for success.

544
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm not happy if I don't feel fulfilled in my

545
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: job and that I feel like I'm doing my best there.

546
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: But I'm also not happy when my time with my

547
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: husband continues to suffer or I don't get out to

548
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: the barn, or I haven't read a book this week,

549
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: like there is a darn you lights, but there is

550
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: they sort of like there is a there's a recipe

551
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: to all of that. And I think that that's sort

552
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: of what I'm I'm working to find, Like that's that's

553
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 2: what it is, is just working to find that. And

554
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: that's a lot a weakness. Like that's the other thing

555
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: is like needing that I think is something that like

556
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: you said, we're finally it's finally encouraged and okay, yeah,

557
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean figuring it out and hard.

558
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: No, it's very hard. And I mean for me, you know,

559
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: growing up, I spent the entire decade of my twenties

560
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: on a show. And you know, when you're filming a

561
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: show and you're at work fifteen, sixteen, sometimes seventeen hours

562
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: a day, you get trained to work yourself in a

563
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: way that is not sustainable. And even now I have

564
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: to work on getting outside, taking a break, going for

565
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: a walk, like just stopping because I will do the

566
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: same thing. I will sit and I will read, and

567
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: I will work and work and work and work all day.

568
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: And that's not really a life, and so finding you know,

569
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: to your point, not the balance, but making sure that

570
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: there's not just one ingredient.

571
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: In the recipe is so important.

572
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: And I won't tell him about all the praise we'll

573
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: hire this episode from him, But and now a word

574
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: from our sponsors. It's not lost on me the way

575
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: you talk about your husband and the way you light

576
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: up when you speak about him. It sounds like you

577
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: have such a great partner.

578
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, who helps.

579
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: You claim you know, your joy outside of work, who

580
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: also happens to be a sports journalist, so I would

581
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: imagine has a great purview into what work takes for you.

582
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: How do you, guys keep your personal and professional separate

583
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: or do you have like a I need to ask

584
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: you a work question right now and then like put

585
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: your work on, put your husband on, Like what is.

586
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: How do you do it? Yeah, we definitely definitely have

587
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: the I have a work question. I think that there's

588
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: a definitly there's a Dave is a sports journalist, and

589
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: so I think there's a baseline of understanding that comes

590
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: with the irregular hours that we both have to work.

591
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: And I think that that speaking the same language is very,

592
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: very important, But it also can make it so that

593
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: if you're not intentional, you can fall into constantly talking

594
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: about basketball. Now, basketball is always on at our house

595
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: because we genuinely enjoy it and we love it, and

596
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: we try to be very specific about Okay, now we

597
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: are going to turn this off. Okay, when he is

598
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: talking on the phone to somebody that I know that

599
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: is a work call for him. His sources are separate

600
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: than mine, Like those are very We're very specific about

601
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: making those separate. But I think whatever the common language

602
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: that you have with a partner is, that's that's I

603
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: think that's the secret sauce, right, Like, that's the thing

604
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: that's really really important. And you know, Dave, going back

605
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: to the writing piece of it, I think that's one

606
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: thing that I've always best communicated, writing things down. And

607
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: he is a beautiful writer. And every time he goes

608
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: on a road trip, he'll leave me a note and

609
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: I get to read it, and that's reminiscent for me

610
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: of you know, my when I was younger, you know,

611
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: that was something that my family did for each other.

612
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: We would leave each other notes. And now to have

613
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: that whenever he goes on a road trip, because we

614
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 2: talk every day and we have all the you know,

615
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: everyone is texting all the time now and we talk

616
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 2: on the phone and all the stuff. But he does

617
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: travel for significant portions of the of the year. I

618
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: think having separate hobbies. He likes to play pickup, I

619
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 2: like to ride horses, and then coming together with something,

620
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: everything is still new to talk about at the end

621
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: of the day, even if you watch the same basketball games.

622
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: So he's a very very special person. He is very kind.

623
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: He has more friends than anyone I know, and I

624
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: think that's because so many people see how special he is.

625
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: He had twelve groomsmen in our wedding. Yeah, we've made

626
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: no cuts, and that was actually act we did make cuts.

627
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: That was down from sixteen. He wanted sixteen and we

628
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: went with twelve. So the man has a lot of friends,

629
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: and I think that's because he just has this like

630
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: light to him that's really wonderful. But I don't talk

631
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: about him because I also want to protect if there's

632
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: a protection there, and I think that sometimes folks, you

633
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: can it's easy to confuse not posting something with not

634
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: really and truly feeling deeply about something. So yeah, you know,

635
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is too. With him.

636
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's so important to keep

637
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: aspects of your life, for you to keep those things,

638
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, kind of sacred. I mean, to your point,

639
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: things get so picked apart in general, it's like, how

640
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: much do you really want to open for more of that?

641
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: And again, even people who seem super open, like some

642
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: people think I'm really private and some people think I'm

643
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: really open, and I'm like, I'm.

644
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 2: I means you're doing something right.

645
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: I vacillate. Yeah, there's so much of my life you

646
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: know nothing about, and I like it. And you know, listen,

647
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: we're women in media, and I know this to be true.

648
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: And I also know you've talked about this a little bit,

649
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: that that being picked apart as a woman in these

650
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Speaker 1: public spaces is really hard, and particularly for you to

651
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Speaker 1: be one of the women in such a historically male

652
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: dominated field. How how do you kind of protect your

653
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: piece Because you protect your peace with your marriage by

654
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: making sure a lot of your private life is private,

655
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: how do you protect your peace with the requirement to

656
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: be online and on camera. Do you have like a

657
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: I don't read the comment section rule?

658
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a very important role, do not I

659
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: do not read the comment section. Comment sections are trash.

660
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 2: Comment sections are closed because I you know it. Actually,

661
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 2: I advice that I got from a colleague of mine

662
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: was you have all of the people around you that

663
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: can tell you to your face with the intention of

664
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: helping you to be better, both when you've succeeded and

665
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: both when you have left something to be desired. There

666
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: are stories that I come away from that I think, wow,

667
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: I really really feel and I hope that the subject

668
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: felt that we did them justice, and I hope that

669
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: the audience felt entertained or moved, or I really think

670
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: the production staff came together and did a fantastic job there.

671
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 2: And then there are other stories that I walk away

672
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: and I think, you know what, that wasn't the right angle,

673
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: That detail wasn't necessary. I'm not sure that was fair.

674
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: And I try to I always I tell players, I

675
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: make sure that I show up to these games. I

676
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: show up when you know. Johannis and I had a

677
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: conversation about this recently, where he was talking about on

678
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: a podcast how he had walked out on me in

679
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: a press conference, and he and I had a converence.

680
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: He messaged me and apologized later, and he and I

681
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: had a conversation about it, and I said, you know,

682
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you a question that press conference

683
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: just for you to see that I was there and

684
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: I do want to show up even when things aren't peachy.

685
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: And Roses and we had a really good conversation about that,

686
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: the two of us. Did I know both of those

687
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: things have happened, that both I have done well and

688
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: both that I need to be better and that the

689
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 2: subject deserved better. And I have the real life producers,

690
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 2: the real life people, the real life friends, the real

691
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 2: life family to say you crush that and girl that

692
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: that no, we need to walk from that next time.

693
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: What I was looking for in the comment section was

694
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: for my worst fears to be echoed. If I thought

695
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: I looked bad and addressed that one day didn't matter.

696
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 2: If twenty people told me I look great, the one

697
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: person who told me I didn't, I was like, I

698
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: knew it. Thank you zero zero zero no pro file

699
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: picture you know like that, thank you. That's what I

700
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: was looking for, and that that you don't need have

701
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: a circle that can echo back to you the good

702
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: and put up the red flag and say you need

703
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: to be better, because that's what I was looking for

704
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: in those comments.

705
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really weird how it doesn't matter how

706
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: much of it's good, it's it's the one that's bad.

707
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: It's it's like the worst kind of confirmation bias a

708
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: person can have, and because it's pain and it's cruelty,

709
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: and it's like sometimes I'm like, what are we doing

710
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: with the internet? But you know, it's also part of

711
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: our job. You mentioned your you know, your kind of work,

712
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: wives and your circle of women. Who do you lean

713
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: on for support when you exactly when you say these

714
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: things like yes, comment section closed, goodbye, we're done with you.

715
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: But when you want feedback, when you want encouragement, when

716
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: you want someone to give you constructive criticism, you know

717
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: who do you turn to first.

718
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really lucky, And I've said that. I realized

719
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: how many times I've said that on this podcast, But

720
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 2: I really truly believe it. I believe when we're talking

721
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: about recipes, which that's now what I'm going to say,

722
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: work life balance is out. A recipe for happiness is

723
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: in for my vernacular because I just don't think that

724
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: balance can exist. I think that a recipe and happiness

725
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: can My coordinating producer of the show is a woman,

726
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: Hillary Guy and one of the main analysts on our show,

727
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: Shane Boom Mackay, is also a woman. And they are

728
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: my two angels. I don't have a devil. I get

729
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: an angel on each shoulder that whenever there is something

730
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: I know, I can turn to them. And when Gail

731
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: King and Oprah for Gail's birthday, I think they were

732
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: doing a podcast maybe with Melinda Gates and Oprah had

733
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: said something to the effect of a friend there can't

734
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: be jealousy. There just has to be this unbridled cheering

735
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: and support. There can be good spirited competition, but jealousy

736
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: cannot be a factor in a true and meaningful friendship.

737
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: And you know, Claire and I my friend that got

738
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: into the paper with me still one of my best friends.

739
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: We went up for the same editor in chief job

740
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: of the college paper. One of us got it, one

741
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: of us didn't, and it's continued without any jealousy and

742
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: just palm palms out and support system on Shane Hillary Like,

743
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: I really feel like I have that. Yeah, And that's

744
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: not something that's always there. I think that just like

745
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: any one, there's always different circles of people who provide

746
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 2: different things. But I'm really lucky to have that because

747
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: I do think that's true. I think that there has

748
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: to just be a sturdy, strong, unbridled backing. And that's

749
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 2: that's my circle of women. I love that.

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Speaker 1: And now a word from our wonderful sponsors. Do you

751
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: still or can you? Or is it maybe like a

752
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: like a work hat and a home hat thing? Can

753
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 1: you watch basketball just for fun?

754
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: No? I mean, da, that's not true. I can watch

755
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: non NBA basketball just however, when I'm sitting in the

756
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: stands and you know, a big play happens and I'm

757
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: there just I'm not working, I'm sitting in the stands.

758
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: I feel like I've forgotten how to clap because you

759
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: can't clap on press row. And I feel like when

760
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 2: I clap, I like move my hands like I don't

761
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 2: because I don't clap. I don't clap at sporting events

762
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: when you're on press row, you're on press prow. When

763
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: I clap, I feel like I'm mashing my hands together

764
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: in a way that I don't even Why can't I

765
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: figure out how to clap? Like? And I overthink clapping

766
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: whenever I'm sitting in a game because I can't. I'm

767
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: so not used to This sounds so ridiculous. But when

768
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: I go to like a musical or something, I'm totally

769
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: fine clapping, But a sporting event, I'm like, these claws

770
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: don't mesh together.

771
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: Well, because I bet with every clap you feel like

772
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: you're breaking the rules.

773
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I doing here? But it's yeah,

774
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: watching the NBA specifically, I will never lose the like

775
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: childlike joy of seeing literal superheroes because most human beings

776
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: cannot do physically what these folks do with these men

777
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: and women do. But yeah, it's it's a little hard

778
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 2: to fully remove, especially because people say, well, who are

779
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: you a fan of It's like, well, I'm a fan

780
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: of the people now because I know them. You root

781
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: for good people, and there are the NBA is just

782
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 2: like chok full of good guys. Wmba's chock full of

783
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: Tactically like, you root for good people to succeed, and

784
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: so it's always a little bit you know, there's always

785
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: a winner and a loser. But it's like, dang, I

786
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: like this this player. Oh man, I love that player.

787
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: I didn't want to see him. So you know, that's

788
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: uh what I'll work on.

789
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: Mine got the w NBA Finals last year.

790
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we get seven, We get seven games

791
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: of this beautiful, delightful, torturelessly close games, and it's going

792
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: to be it's going to be incredible. My little sister

793
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: covers women's basketball too, so it's sort of fun to

794
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: it gets exciting.

795
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm a die hard Liberty fan, and god, that was

796
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: that was right, a nail bier for for us. Yeah,

797
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: I was. Ironically you mentioned road trips. I was on

798
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: a on a drive literally the night of the last game.

799
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: I planned this trip months before. There was like no

800
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: way I could change the timing and we had to

801
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: use my hot spot and like get online to watch,

802
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, And it was just so stressful but so exciting.

803
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: And there was a moment where, you know, out in

804
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere in the desert, I was like,

805
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: this is commitment, Like we've got this game on, like

806
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: pulled over on a highway. That's because there is no

807
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: missing it.

808
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: And it was.

809
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: It was very funny to me, It was. It was

810
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: a fun time.

811
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: I love that. That's the best kind of There's so

812
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: few things in the world though, to walk into an arena,

813
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 2: to look around to see grown ups screaming their heads off,

814
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: jumping up and down. Nowhere else and no other sector

815
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: of life do you get that than in sports. And

816
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: so that's kind of what's so cool is it just

817
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: brings this joy for people. That's what sports is in

818
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: it's best. That's what I love about it. There is

819
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: nothing like a playoff game. There is nothing like a

820
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: finals game. Yeah, there's nothing like a Game seven where

821
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: it's all on the line down to one thing, or

822
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: a game five. There's nothing like it. There's nothing like it.

823
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: It's the coolest thing in the world. And you know,

824
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: to be able to to not to sound cheesy, but

825
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: like every time. I remember one time I walked onto set.

826
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: I've grown up on ESPN. Right, I came to ESPN,

827
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: I was anyone, maybe barely twenty two, wow, And I

828
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: started as a writer. I worked my way up as

829
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 2: a writer. I covered the coronavirus. I eventually was given

830
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: MBA today. And I remember walking to the studio one

831
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 2: day because I forgot my laptop charger because I forget

832
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: my laptop charger every day, and all the lights were

833
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: out and it's this huge studio and you know, television

834
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 2: sets is these massive pieces of awesome equipment, and we're

835
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: the only show that comes out of our studio, Studio

836
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Speaker 2: H in Los Angeles, and I remember walking in it's quiet,

837
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: and the desk looks really little at the center of

838
00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: this enormous studio and thinking, oh my goodness, every single

839
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: every piece of equipment, this desk, this chair, all of

840
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: this is for me. It's for us, It's for the

841
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: show that we create and the producers and everyone. But yeah,

842
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: little me, that that girl that didn't feel like she

843
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: belonged or wasn't sure where things were going or if

844
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: she was good enough to have in that moment of quiet, like,

845
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: oh wow, this is for me, which is such a

846
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: responsibility and also so much fun. It was just a

847
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: very very cool thing to be reminded of. I think

848
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: sometimes we just remind ourselves of that when you walk

849
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: into a place and you say, yo, yeah, this is

850
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: for me and because of the work I did to set.

851
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: It up and set myself up, and yeah, you get

852
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: to remind yourself that you've arrived in a place that

853
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: used to be a dream.

854
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: You know, when you hear the you know, remember when

855
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 2: you dreamed about what you have now. I think that's very,

856
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: very true and I try to ground myself at constantly

857
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: because it's so easy to look toward the next or

858
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: tomorrow or the what abouts. But I think if you

859
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 2: can just sit in that for a little bit, it's

860
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. It's it's pretty cool. At leads me

861
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: to get to talk to you.

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00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: It's amazing from this place, from from sitting in that

863
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: place where you get to really let it land and

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Speaker 1: feel that kind of joy. What what feels like? You're

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Speaker 1: work in progress this year? What's ahead?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. I am really content with continuing

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00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: to sort of get better at what I'm doing. I

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00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: really am excited about hosting the NBA Finals, which is

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Speaker 2: something that just like, I get a little bit giggly

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Speaker 2: even just saying that, I'm really really excited for hosting

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Speaker 2: the NBA Finals and the Draft back to back. That

872
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Speaker 2: just feels like it goes from the pinnacle of sport

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Speaker 2: to literally getting to capture people's childhood dreams coming true

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Speaker 2: and achieving generational wealth and upward mobility for a lot

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Speaker 2: of families that otherwise wouldn't be able to like that

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Speaker 2: to me is like the coolest month of my year,

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Speaker 2: and I really am looking forward to getting to do that.

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Speaker 2: Last year was the first year that I was sitting

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Speaker 2: in that seat, and so I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 2: doing what I hope is an even better job this year.

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Speaker 2: That's something I really look forward to.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's so exciting.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, Thank you. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: And thank you for today. It's really just been such

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Speaker 1: an absolute pleasure. I've loved learning even more about your

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Speaker 1: story than what I got to read about of our interview.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I appreciate you making the time and

888
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Speaker 2: the space. And I would I would do the little

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Speaker 2: hole the finger thing if I yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll have to go like get a bite to

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Speaker 1: eat and hang with your sister or something soon. It

892
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Speaker 1: would be so fun.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would love to. I would love to. I

894
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Speaker 2: would love to. And if you're if your friend in

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Speaker 2: Detroit is never this way and needs horses, ride, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, I have got grace.

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Speaker 1: We will take you up on it.

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Speaker 2: Charlie is my horse is okay? So he's I thought

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Speaker 2: my husband date thought it would be funny to name

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Speaker 2: a horse horse tracks. Yeah, so we went.

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Speaker 1: Great, he's got dad jokes we love.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, awesome, Thank you so much, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You have an amazing rest of your day.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful to your day. Bye bye ye m m m

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Speaker 2: hm