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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: Today the show, we're excited to be joined by our

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Speaker 1: special guest, Eva Shocky to discuss the rise of female

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Speaker 1: participation in hunting and much much more. All Right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast. And as I mentioned

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Speaker 1: today in the show, we've got a terrific guest, Eva Shocky,

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Speaker 1: and we're discussing the rise of female participation in the

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Speaker 1: hunting world. Now, for those of you who maybe aren't

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Speaker 1: familiar with Eva, if you listen to the wire Drump

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Speaker 1: podcast for a while, you most likely caught our episode

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Speaker 1: with her father, Jim Shocky. He's the very well known

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Speaker 1: host of several hunting shows, and one of those, Jim

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Speaker 1: Shocky's Hunting Adventures, is co hosted by Eva. Now, in

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Speaker 1: addition to her work on TV, Eva has also evolved

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Speaker 1: into a terrific spokeswoman for hunters, especially for the women

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Speaker 1: in our ranks, and that is why we wanted to

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Speaker 1: have Eva on the show today. Now, that said, though,

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Speaker 1: before we dive into this great conversation, how are you doing, Dan,

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Speaker 1: my co host, are you live over there? I'm alive. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We survived the A t A show we did, and

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Speaker 1: that's uh, that's saying something. I know, Um Friday night.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go into any detail, but I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna say that Saturday's drive home was not easy. About

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Speaker 1: forty minutes into the drive, I had to use one

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Speaker 1: of the State of Indiana's really clean rest stops and

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Speaker 1: I took a forty minute Now you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't blame it, and and kudos to Indiana, they

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Speaker 1: do have nice facilities. But uh, but yeah, A T.

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Speaker 1: A is awesome. It's always great to see all the

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Speaker 1: new products and here about all the news and see everyone.

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Speaker 1: But always lends itself to a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of late nights kind of going out there and seeing

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Speaker 1: everyone with with everybody altogether for a few days. It's

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Speaker 1: just there ends up being a lot of fun being hend.

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Speaker 1: So we we definitely had some fun. I'd say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know this is probably a different topic for a

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Speaker 1: different time, but I got to sit down and have

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Speaker 1: while you were doing an in your interview, for Outdoor Life.

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Speaker 1: I actually had to. I felt like I was interviewing him.

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Speaker 1: I got a to sit down and talk with a

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Speaker 1: guy that I think is just one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: hunters of all time. If that's such a thing. So,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about that on a later date.

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Speaker 1: But let's let's not even say who that is. We're

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Speaker 1: going to keep it a secret. Let's keep that a

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Speaker 1: secret with you. I'm very jealous, Like when you came

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Speaker 1: and told me that, I just jealousy was the only

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Speaker 1: thing I felt. Jealousy and a little bit of rage

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Speaker 1: and a lot of excitement. Yeah, I think I really

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Speaker 1: hope that um that we're going to be able to

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Speaker 1: get him onto the podcast here, like we've talked like

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Speaker 1: we maybe will because that will be a really interesting conversation.

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Speaker 1: So good things, Good Things from a t A show

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Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen, and uh and now we're you know,

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Speaker 1: we're moving into a new time of year. Both of

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Speaker 1: two thout hunting season. And you know, as I mentioned

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Speaker 1: an introduction, I wanted to bring Eva onto the show

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Speaker 1: today to talk about you know, what's really become a

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Speaker 1: really terrific trend in the hunting world, and that's been

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Speaker 1: increased participation from women. Um, you know, for several decades,

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Speaker 1: every time we ever heard about hunt her numbers, they

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that we can finally really talk about this topic,

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Speaker 1: here today. Um So, Dan, what do you think? Are

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Speaker 1: you excited for this talk? Yeah, Like everybody out there knows,

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Speaker 1: That's exciting, I think. Um, it's it's really awesome that now, um,

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Speaker 1: great for the sport, it's great for our tradition and

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Speaker 1: it's such a wonderful thing. It's just sad that for

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Speaker 1: if you're already, Dan, I say we should get Eva

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Speaker 1: welcome the show. Thank you very much, thanks for having me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very first ever that bo Checks ever done signature bow.

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Speaker 1: It's the Eva Shocky signature series, so UM from bow

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Speaker 1: so it's the most hie in products and technology and

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Speaker 1: and we finally got talked about an A show that

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Speaker 1: is awesome. Congrats on that, thank you very much, yea.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a perfect segue to what we

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Speaker 1: I'm yeah, Tim. Tim was trying to steal mine, my fiance,

427
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: but I told him it was mine and habit, it

428
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what color is, as long as it keeps

429
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 1: the beercle or the fish or whatever. Yeah, exactly what

430
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 1: do they say, wildly stronger, keeps us longer. I think

431
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 1: it is what the line right? Yeah, exactly. Crazy. I

432
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: mean we live over in Florida and we were here

433
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 1: in the summer and we have I have a handful

434
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 1: of the coolers, which is so awesome when we have

435
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 1: them on our boat and stuff, and it's amazing. I mean,

436
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm melting. It's a million degrees of that and I

437
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 1: opened the cool and it's so everything's freezing. And this

438
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 1: is something I don't know well how they make those things,

439
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 1: but they're I want to just crawl inside in the

440
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: summer in Florida, all right for for those women who

441
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 1: who may be on the fence, let's say they're their

442
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 1: husband hunts or their their father hunts that recently haven't

443
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 1: showed any interest in the past. Is there a tipping

444
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: point or any piece of advice or something you'd like

445
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: to share with them on why they should give hunting

446
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: a try. Yeah. It's different for everyone, obviously, and they

447
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: all have their own reasons why they do or don't hunt.

448
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: Like my mom doesn't hunt because you know, sheep is.

449
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: There's enough meeting nor for users. We don't need to

450
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 1: have another person shooting animals. And that's true. I mean,

451
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: we're fine, we don't need it. But a lot of

452
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: people have other reasons, whatever they are. But my biggest

453
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: suggestion is just you know, get out there and try it.

454
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 1: You don't need to shoot something, you don't need to

455
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 1: be the one to pull the trigger, but go enjoy

456
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: the adventure of the hunt, in the journey, because that's

457
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: what hunters love. I mean, you love being in the outdoors.

458
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: We love the fresh air, we love all space and

459
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: the quiet. And I think people that don't um, or

460
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 1: that don't hunt, they don't quite realize it's not hundreds

461
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: of just go walk into the wood, shoot something and

462
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: laugh and then you know, go home. They go for

463
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: the whole adventure of it, in all the different aspects.

464
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: And the killing is a very small part of what

465
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: hunting is. It's just part of it. But there's all

466
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 1: the other great things that maybe people that don't hunt,

467
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: um aren't aware of, and if they've even a try,

468
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: they'd realize there's so many great things involved with it, um.

469
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: And you know, in that sense, also if you can

470
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: go for women at archer if they want to shoot

471
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: something yet, go to the bow range and practice shooting

472
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: a bow, or join an archery club and they provide

473
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: the bows and can shoot, or go to a gun range,

474
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: and I'm sure a lot of people at the gun

475
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: range will be happy to show a new hunter or

476
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 1: a new shooter how to shoot a gun and lend

477
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: them something to try at the range. And you know,

478
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: hundreds are friendly, wonderful, warm people, and it's just a

479
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: great industry. You're a great hobby whatever it is that

480
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: to be part of. So I encourage it at least

481
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: give it a try. Yeah, I think something you said,

482
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: but earlier, UM, it was something I've seen two with

483
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: my wife, and that when you mentioned that you weren't

484
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: sure if you could hunt a deer or moose or

485
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: something first, but a war hog, because it was kind

486
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: of ugly, might be a little bit easier to to

487
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: kind of test the waters with. My wife said the

488
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: same thing. I've always you know, encouraged her if she

489
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: ever was interested, you know, I would love to take

490
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: her out, and she was always like, I don't know

491
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: if I could do it. I don't know if I

492
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: could do it. And then finally one day I was

493
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: going turkey hunting and she's like, you know what, I

494
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: could probably go turkey hunting. They've got a really ugly

495
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: looking face. I could probably do. Yeah, no offense to

496
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: the turkeys. They're they're delicious and they they're exciting to hunt,

497
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: but they got a weird thing going on with that

498
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: snood and the weird layers of skin, so funny. Yeah,

499
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: I've heard that a lot. I've heard a lot of

500
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: people start with turkeys. Well, I don't know if just

501
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: because they're smaller than other animals, or because, like you said,

502
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: they had kind of a funny looking space or whatever

503
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: it is, or maybe because it's a shotguns so it's

504
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: easier to hit it versus one bullet um you know,

505
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But and the other thing is if

506
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: you're taking out for the reverse role, if you're someone

507
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,479
Speaker 1: that wants to take out a new hunter, I mean,

508
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: don't push them first of all, but don't make them

509
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: take shots that are three hundred yards like I don't

510
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: even take me into Dard shots. My dad barely take

511
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: shots because those are tough, and that if you do

512
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: wound an animal, it's really hurtful. And I don't know,

513
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure most hunters will agree. When you anyone that's

514
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: hunted enough, they've hit an animal bad at some point

515
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: and it's a really sad thing. And obviously you do

516
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: your very best recovered age to make another shot. But

517
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: you don't want new hunters to start out with this

518
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: feeling of oh, I heard an animal or I didn't

519
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: make a good shot. You want them to have a

520
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: positive experience. So if you can't get the animal close enough,

521
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: if the person feels comfortable and make sure they know

522
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: how what their comfort zone is for shooting, and just

523
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: call off shops, they don't have to shoot it. And

524
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the success of a

525
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: hund is not when it is an animal and they're down.

526
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: It's the fact that you went out, you enjoyed it together,

527
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: You've got the fresh air and all the other things

528
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: that are so great about it. And I think that

529
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: new hunter will be much more willing to go back

530
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: and try to can if they have a good experience,

531
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: and if they are pushed too hard. Yeah, I think

532
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: that's amazing advice. That's so important. It seems to make

533
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: sure those initial experiences are positive and like you said,

534
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: not being pushed and they don't give a little kid.

535
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: Don't give them a big, a big caliber. You know

536
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: they're going to hurt their shoulder and be scared at

537
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: the recoil. Give them a twenty two or something, and

538
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, let them shoot with it a bunch so

539
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: they know what it's going to feel like. You don't

540
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: need to thump them and scare them. And if they

541
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: don't want blood on them, like I know a lot

542
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: of people hear blood on their face on their first

543
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: HANDIM like, I didn't want that and my dad. The

544
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: thing with my dad, who was very respectful that you know,

545
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: I am a lady into me, I didn't want blood

546
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: scared on me. And I know that's the tradition. A

547
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: lot of people think funny, and that's if you think

548
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: that's funny, that's great, and that's the tradition. But for me,

549
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: I didn't. So he I respected that that he could

550
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: perforce things like that on me, and I think that

551
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: went a long way as far as how much I

552
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: loved hunting. Yeah, that's great now. You know, I think

553
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: you've kind of alluded to us a little bit, and

554
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned, um the fact that more and more now

555
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: there's women in the hunting industry and now you are

556
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: one of those women, and inevitably, younger people or any

557
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: age of women is gonna be looking up to you

558
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: as a role model now that you are in this position.

559
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: How do you feel about being role model to younger

560
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: hunters and other women? And you know, what do you

561
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: think what kind of responsibilities do you feel you have

562
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: now because of that? Well, like you said, there's a

563
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: lot of women in the industry now, and there's a

564
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: lot of people sort of in the same position as me,

565
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: where they're on shows or they're you know, social media

566
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: presidents or whatever it is. And I think that's great

567
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: because there's a there's a handful of us now that um,

568
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: I guess have a following or whatever you want to

569
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: call it. And it's good because we all sort of

570
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: represent different things. We all like, I'm very much into

571
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: the family and that kind of thing, and some other

572
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: ones have different things that they are known for. That

573
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: means that all the little girls of the world that

574
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: are interested in hunting, whether they're have one personality or

575
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: the other, they're going to have someone. Whether it's me

576
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: or Tiffany or you know, Taylor Drewy or whoever it is,

577
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: they're gonna have one that they can look up to

578
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: and say, oh, I like that person or I like

579
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: those two people and not that one. It doesn't matter.

580
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't care if they don't like me. But the

581
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: fact that they have options of who they can look

582
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: up to and see is good representatives of the hunting industry.

583
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: That's perfect. So um being I guess in the public eye,

584
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: I've known from the beginning your decisions you make and

585
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: the actions you do, and you know how you present

586
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: yourself and how you represent what you stand for. It

587
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: makes a big impact. You can impact people's lives. And

588
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: there's whether it's a thousand girls or five thousand little

589
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: girls or thirty thousands of the girls, whatever it is

590
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,239
Speaker 1: that they're following me on Facebook, whether they're using their

591
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: parents Facebook accounts and their parents dad's showing the pictures. Um,

592
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: that means a lot to me. So I take it seriously.

593
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: Definitely don't take it lightly and think I can just

594
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: do whatever I want and not care about it. Like

595
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: when I make decisions or when I post things. I'm

596
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: very aware that there's all these little eyebolts watching me,

597
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: like what's gonna do, What's she gonna do? And that's

598
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: it's a cool thing to have, but it's as about

599
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure because I'm semi responsible for these

600
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: little girls, whether they are going to turn into Hunters

601
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: or whether they're going to say, oh, I don't like hunting,

602
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: I don't like what he was doing, I don't like

603
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: what she stands for, and then they're going to go

604
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: the other way and we're gonna lose a big chunk

605
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: of the next generation of Hunters. So, um, I'm definitely

606
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: take it seriously and I'm proud of it. But I

607
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: also it's a constant thought in my head of what

608
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing and what I'm showing, and I mean it,

609
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 1: this is who I am, So I'm true to myself

610
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: and I really, I really don't make any decisions differently

611
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: than I would if there was no one looking at me.

612
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: But it's just it's just good to always be aware

613
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: of the impassive we have on these kids. Yeah, and

614
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: I think a lot of what you said there is

615
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: why I really wanted to have you on the show

616
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: because from watching you know, you're increased um position in

617
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: the hunting world. I've seen you consistently be considered of

618
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: those things and the fact that you are a role

619
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: model and take you know, take pride in yourself and

620
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: do things in a classy manner that I think all

621
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: all hunters can be proud of. So you know, I

622
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: appreciate that about what you've done. And I think there's

623
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people maybe in a similar position as you.

624
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: If they were in a similar position, they might go

625
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: about a different way. Maybe they can make more money

626
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: or get more fame for different things. But you've done,

627
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: um You've done some things I think you should be

628
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: really proud of. And uh, I'm excited for, you know,

629
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: hopefully to have a daughter. Someday he'll be able to

630
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: look up to someone like you and and really get

631
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: into hunting because of great role models like you and

632
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: others in the industry. Thank you. You know that's actually

633
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: I think, like I mean, I don't have kids and

634
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: just engage, right know, but I think of the same thing.

635
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: I think if I have a daughter, who's you know,

636
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: in in the ages where she can be have, you know,

637
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: vulnerable to different things that she's seeing, if she's eight

638
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: or nine or ten or fifteen. What the decisions I'm

639
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: making and how I'm presenting myself. Would I want my

640
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: daughter to be watching me and looking up to someone

641
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: like me? Or would I think that that's not appropriate?

642
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: So I really try to stick with that and keep

643
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: that in mind. So I pre that's really nice. Thank you, Yeah,

644
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: of course. Um, So slight shift on topic then, um,

645
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: before we make a major shifting topic. Um, you know,

646
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to being a female hunter, what do

647
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: you think is one of the or several of the

648
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: greatest challenges that might be unique to you know where

649
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: you're coming from that might be different than me or Dan,

650
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: Is there anything or would you say it's all the same.

651
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: So it's definitely challenges. I mean that the obvious biggest

652
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: challenge would phase maybe that in the past women haven't

653
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: been considered hunters or except to the hunters, And now

654
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: we're as much as the demographics growing rapidly, and you

655
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: still face the same thing. People see you and then

656
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: say that if you need and see my dad, obviously

657
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, oh, he's a better hunter, and in

658
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: our case, he definitely is. But there's lots of situations

659
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: where there's a girl and a guy and the girls

660
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: much better at hunting, or better at shooting, or better

661
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: at whatever it is. And I think, um, people are

662
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: still getting used to that. And I haven't had a

663
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: lot of negatives about that. I really haven't, which I'm

664
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: very happy for. I haven't had a lot of people

665
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: give me negative comments about being me, me being female hunter.

666
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: I just think at first they're almost a little bit shocked. Still,

667
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: it's almost they're just trying to come around, and they're

668
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: still like, oh, my goodness, she's a girl and she hunts,

669
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: like she's gonna be winding and prissy and she's gonna

670
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: want to do her makeup on in the middle of

671
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: the mountain. And you know that's not the case. Obviously.

672
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: I love wearing makeup, I love getting dressed out. But

673
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: when I'm hunting. I'm hunting, and it's it's a different thing.

674
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hear me wine or complain. You're gonna

675
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: hear me do what everyone else does. And I'm sure

676
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: that's the same with a lot of girl. So that's

677
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: one thing. Another just natural thing. Obviously, you know we're

678
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: not naturally as strong as men. That's just a common

679
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: sense thing. We can't lift the same on average as

680
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 1: Like I can't lift what my dad can lift. But

681
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: the difference is we can do it, or we can

682
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: help in other ways. We can, whether it's us lifting

683
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: the same amount but in smaller amounts over and over,

684
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: or maybe we have a different job that we're better

685
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: at that my dad's not as good at. And you know,

686
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: there's there's places in positions for males and females, and

687
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: I think you just have to be you know, you

688
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: don't have to fight it. I don't fight that. I

689
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: can't list what my dad can lift, but I am

690
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: helpful and I try to make camp easier in my

691
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: own way. So that's one. And I think the last

692
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: thing is we get colder easier than guys, at least

693
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: I do. And every girl that I've ever talked to

694
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: you does. So my biggest thing is I just make

695
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: sure I always have so many layers on. My dad

696
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: will be wearing a long soa shirt. I'll be wearing,

697
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, a down jacket and a vast and I

698
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: will be wearing a jacket and I'll be wearing four jackets.

699
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: So it's just natural, um, And it's just part of it.

700
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: And you know, it's I don't know if it's smaller

701
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: body size or what it is, but as long as

702
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: you just take care of yourself and you're prepared, you

703
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: fit in pretty well and people are pretty happy to

704
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: have you out there. That's great now, that's that's interesting

705
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: to hear and and good for me and Dandy here

706
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: too as we think about, you know, what challenges there

707
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: might be for our role, for Dan's daughter, my future daughter. Um,

708
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to get my nieces into hunting

709
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: as well. So this is great stuff, great insight. Yeah,

710
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: it's nice, awesome if you're trying to get people and

711
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: help them find someone to follow, help them find some

712
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: whether it's me or whether it's off a year, whether

713
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: the cold, whoever it is that they they you think

714
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: that they would be interested in like show them their

715
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: Facebook pages and maybe they don't they're too young, abbay books,

716
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: but just share pictures and show well, this girl like

717
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: a lot of little girls, I know, they're scared kind

718
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: of like I was when I was younger. They don't

719
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: want to be seen as the boys. But shows them

720
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: like this eva, where's makeup and even where his dresses?

721
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: And she I was a professional dancer, like shows them

722
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: that and say but she can also put on camel

723
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: and people think it's you know, they don't make fun

724
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: with her for it. And that's a lot of little girls,

725
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: I guess, change their opinions about what they think of

726
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: a cuner. So it's a great social media is a

727
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: great tool to have in that sense. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

728
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a great Like you said, it shows other,

729
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, little girls, it's okay to do this kind

730
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: of thing and that that's totally normal and it's great

731
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: and it's something that you know, it's worth looking into

732
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of you know, stereotypes and

733
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: norms would say, oh, that's that's a boy thing, when

734
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: luckily that's changing now. But it's great to have someone

735
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: to look up to like you for that exactly now

736
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: now I want to take a shift, and you had

737
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: mentioned something just briefly, are a little bit about the negativity,

738
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: And you know, over the past year or so, there

739
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: have been a number of very kind of high profile

740
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: incidents of hunter harassment, especially with things being said online,

741
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: pictures posted by Melissa Bachman or Kendall Jones and recently

742
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: you too, where female hunters have gotten a really high

743
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: amount of fleck from non hunters and animal rights activists.

744
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: So my question for you is, do you think that

745
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: women are more likely to get this negative response than

746
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, you know, male hunters, And if so, you

747
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: know why why is that? Why has there been so

748
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: much negativity around these couple incidents? Yeah, I definitely think um,

749
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: women have it a little harder as far as the

750
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: social media response to being hunters. And I don't think

751
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: it's really some big, brilliant reason. I think it's just

752
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: there's the anti hunters and they've been against hunting for

753
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: so many of years and they claim that, you know,

754
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: they want love and peace and love thy neighbor and

755
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: love everybody and love animals, But then they come on

756
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: and they attack us really aggressively and very much hypocritically

757
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: to what they stand for, what they claim they stand forth.

758
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: Do you see that? Um? And at first, if you

759
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: get attack like that, and then I don't know if

760
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: you have been or if people listening happens, but you

761
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: get those attacks and you go immediately your first responses

762
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: to say, oh my gosh, what a horrible person, this

763
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: anti hunter is like how could they say that? And

764
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: I always wonder, like, do they have a mother or

765
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: a father or someone just show them that you can't

766
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: say these things to people. And yet they're behind a

767
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: computer screen, so it makes it a little easier, but

768
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: still I think you should say responsibility. But the difference

769
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: is between what they say to me versus what they

770
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 1: say to my dad or any other girl versus another man. Um.

771
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: I think they see him and almost like no offense

772
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: to my dad, but like a lost cause he's a hunter.

773
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: He's always going to be hunter. He's a middle aged man,

774
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, redneck whatever. They see that and they say

775
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: that's what we think of as Sarah typical hunters, so

776
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: we're just not gonna care about that. But then they

777
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: see someone like me or Melissa or Kendall Jones and

778
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: they say, well, that's not a hunter, Like, how if

779
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: this person can't be hunter? This opens up a whole

780
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: another world of potential demographic for new hunters, and I

781
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: think it scares the anti hunters. It just gives them

782
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: fear for what they stand for and what they think

783
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: is right, which obviously is not. If they really understood

784
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: huntings that I think they would change their minds. But

785
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: they see all the all the girls, and they get

786
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: fearful that maybe that's going to open up another world

787
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: of future hunters and potential hunters, and that that is

788
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: bad obviously for what they think what they stand for.

789
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: So they attack us as much as they possibly can.

790
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: They get all their friends to come attack us, and

791
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, I always see them to the people that

792
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: ask if it's you know, if it's so horrible, and yeah,

793
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: it's horrible. It's really rude, and it makes me sad

794
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: that these people are stooping for that level to say

795
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: things like that to me. But at the end of

796
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: the day, if I'm going to have five thousand horrible comments,

797
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: but I'm going to have two great comments in supportive

798
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: hunters and people that are promoting hunting and sharing huntings

799
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: to their friends, I'll have no problem taking the key

800
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: because I know that in the long run it's the

801
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: positive people and the hunters that are really benefiting from it,

802
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: and they're they're more active, and they're more proud and

803
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: promoting what they believe in. And that's just you know,

804
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: it's great for hunting. So it's you know, it's no,

805
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: it's no fun, but it's it's worth it. Yeah, And

806
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a horrible it's obviously horrible that

807
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 1: this stuff is said that and that these things become

808
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: such a media madhouse with all its attention. UM. But

809
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad that some people can handle like you've been

810
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: able to handle it, because really, this is I feel

811
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: so strongly that this is These types of UM incidents

812
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: really hold it up. They sway a lot of people's opinions,

813
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: and they get people thinking about these things. And unfortunately,

814
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, hunting in America or Canada, wherever it might be.

815
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, even though it should be, it really isn't

816
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: a right. In the end. It's a privilege given to

817
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: us by you know, the state and the government. And

818
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: really that right is or that privilege is given to

819
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: us by the voters. And right now, something like eight

820
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: seven percent of people out there aren't hunters. So if

821
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: that public opinion, if those people all of a sudden

822
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: decided no hunting isn't okay, all of a sudden, they

823
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: could vote against what we believe and we could lose

824
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: that privilege to hunt. And so that public opinion, whether

825
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: you like it or not, is important. And I think

826
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: that when these conversations start being head and they're put

827
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: out there on on Fox News or CNN and people

828
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: start debating these things, I am just so thankful that

829
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: you're the person who's talking about that or someone else

830
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: and not um, you know, not the stereotypical hunter that

831
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: everyone likes to imagine a hunters like who you know

832
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: is doing the things that some of the anti hunters

833
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: like to claim we all do. Um. But it's something

834
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: that's yeah, I I completely agree with you, whether it's

835
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean me, obviously, I'm happy to do it, and

836
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: I think that I stand up for what's right and

837
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: represented in the mage place. So that for me that's great.

838
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: But there's also a lot of other people that would

839
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: also be great at it, and it's just the case of,

840
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, you have to show them that what we're

841
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: doing is right. At the end of the day, hunting

842
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: is a good thing. So that's what I would say.

843
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: Hunting is a good thing. So you just have to

844
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: break it down. Why is it a good thing? Will conservation?

845
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: Will fresh air? Organic meat? I mean the other thing

846
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: sometimes they ask people on Facebook. I'm getting attacked by

847
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: from all sides, by these people that hate what I do.

848
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: And I post something. I go into their Facebook page

849
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: and just see, like, who is this person saying these things?

850
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: And they go look at it for It takes me

851
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 1: two minutes and I see they're eating a steak at dinner,

852
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: they're having a hamburger, they're having they have They're driving

853
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: in a car with leather seats, They're wearing leather shoes,

854
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: and I'm just looking at them, like, are you kidding

855
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: me with this? How hyd a critical you're being? We

856
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: as hunters, we provide ourselves with all of those things.

857
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: If you have those things, then you're not really an

858
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: anti hunter. You're just totally misinformed in naive about what

859
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: it is you believe in. Because you can't have leather

860
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: things and not like hunting. It just doesn't make sense

861
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: to me. So that, I mean, it gets me kind

862
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: of rolled. That's a you can see, it just makes

863
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: spensive because you know, they're having is such a great

864
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: thing in the world, and the more we can talk

865
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: about it on mainstream and represent it in a great

866
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: way and really show people. I'm not just gonna fight

867
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: with the Independent, So that's not what I'm here to do.

868
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm not here to swear at them and stoop down

869
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: to their level. I'm here to talk about hunting and

870
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: how great it is and promoted by showing them two

871
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: beneficial things we as hunters do, and without us the

872
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: wildlife management programs and all of that animal populations, it

873
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: would be a lot worse off than it is right now. So,

874
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: and you mentioned briefly on this a little bit earlier

875
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: about social media, and you have a gigantic following. You

876
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: have like over you know, over seven hundred thousand friends

877
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: or whatever on Facebook, you have over fifty Twitter followers.

878
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: What message would you like to, you know, to tell

879
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: your followers. Is there is there a particular message that

880
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: you'd like to share about hunting in general? Um, I

881
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: mean there's definitely a few overriding themes of what I

882
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: stand for and who I am hunting, and like I said,

883
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: hunting is a good thing. I try to show them

884
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: that I don't just hunt to kill something. I hunt

885
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: first of all and foremost for me, it's family. So

886
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: that's something that hunters as a whole. We stand for family.

887
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: We used to have the basis and the quality of

888
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: life that we enjoy. Promoting family is a great thing.

889
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: I mean, the world today maybe doesn't. The marriage or

890
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: the divorce rate sorry is so high in Hollywood, doesn't

891
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: really support family and every every other whole so many industries,

892
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: but hunting is different. The hunting industry really supports and

893
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: stands behind the importance of family. So for me, that's

894
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: something I try to share with everybody on social media. Obviously,

895
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: the natural elements of hunting that you know, you can

896
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and buy a stake that

897
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: has hormones and pesticides and everything else in it, or

898
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: or you can go and sit in the tree stand

899
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: have this wonderful experience being the fresh air, turn off

900
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: your cell phone, in your computer and your whatever else

901
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: for the afternoon and ended up shooting something and getting

902
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: it just skinning yourself, or getting it bushered and putting

903
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: in your freezer, and there's no hormones, no pest sides.

904
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: It has had a wonderful life up until that exact point,

905
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: as opposed to being in cages. So hunting for that

906
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: element you you're provided with this meat that's so much

907
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: healthier than getting you at the grocery store, and you know,

908
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: the animals had a good life. So if you have

909
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: sort of feeling that hunting has so many positive elements,

910
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: I think that's one that I try to share with people.

911
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: I think those are such important things for for all

912
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: of us to remember. Like you said, hunting is a

913
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: good thing, and I think it's important for us to

914
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: be able to build to effectively communicate that with people

915
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: when they start asking us questions about these things. You know, yeah,

916
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: if you get attacked, you need to have sponsors. And

917
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: it's just it took me a while to really get

918
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: a full grass and that's probably why I did not,

919
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: because I didn't really understand the concept of this animal

920
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: is going to go into my freezer and then money

921
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: from the tag of this animal is going to go

922
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: back into wildlife management and all those things. They're so

923
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: great and its once you understand that, it's pretty hard

924
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: to argue against hunting because it's just you know, it

925
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: doesn't what you're trying to say, It doesn't make any

926
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: sense when you know all those elements. Yeah, so kind

927
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: of tie into something we were just talking about a

928
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: minute ago and into this right here. You know, every

929
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: time that we have a conversation with someone on the

930
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: fence about hunting or someone who's you know, against hunting, UM,

931
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: we're kind of fighting this this tiny little little teeter

932
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: tot of a battle where we might be able to

933
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: change you know, someone's opinion or family's opinion, or you know,

934
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: however many other people that one person might touch. Every

935
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: single interaction we have with someone who's on the fence

936
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: about hunting, it's important. And so it's important to a

937
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, do the understand the things you would just

938
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: you just mentioned there about why hunting is good um,

939
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: and then be to represent ourselves and conduct ourselves in

940
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: a way that positively, you know, shines on hunting. So

941
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: when they say, hey, the way that person acts or

942
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: the way that person hunts, or the way that person

943
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: talks about hunting, you know, that's that looks like a

944
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: pretty good thing. I could get behind that. And then

945
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: number three, Um, finally tying into what you've had to

946
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: deal with Eva being handling the harassment negatively. It's how

947
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: you handle that. So we've kind of walked around the

948
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: subject a little bit and you've mentioned a few things,

949
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: but I want to make sure we we touch on

950
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: it directly, for you know, for a young girl out there,

951
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: let's say, who was getting into hunting. Maybe she's in

952
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: high school and she's gotten in hunting, and now all

953
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: of a sudden, some people find out she's shot a

954
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: deer and she starts getting harassed about it, and people

955
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: are giving a really hard time. Um, because you know

956
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to hunt, or that's horrible thing, or

957
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. What would your advice be to

958
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: that young girl or woman who's dealing with us for

959
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: the first time? Um, is there anything else? Specifically? You

960
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: would say that they should be keeping in mind that

961
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: they should a factor and when dealing with that. Yeah,

962
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: I just stand by what you believe. And if you're

963
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: a hunter or your hunter, and if you're hunting, is

964
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: because you understand why it's good, you understand all the

965
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: positive elements. And if you don't, I mean, if you

966
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: just started hunting and you're still a little confused, just

967
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: go on mind, go on websites and go an sci

968
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: or n Ray or whatever. Other websites as well, Turkey

969
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: Foundation anything. They have so many great STAPs and information,

970
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: whether it's for yourself just to know, or whether it's

971
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: something that you want to have in your pocket. When

972
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: an anti hunter comes up and says you shouldn't do

973
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: what you do, and you know that you're supposed to

974
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: you should do what you do, but you're not quite

975
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: sure how to put it into words, that's a great way.

976
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I actually should go brush up because it's

977
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: great to have both stats to really show you know

978
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm right. I'm not just holding this out of nowhere,

979
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: like these are real numbers and come back, come back

980
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: at me and to tell me you don't like hunting

981
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: when you have your own numbers that prove otherwise because

982
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: you're not going to find them. They just don't exist.

983
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: And the other thing is I think it's important as well.

984
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, being a hunter is a great thing. But

985
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: I don't posted on Facebook for shock value, Like I'm

986
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: not going to post it for attention as far as

987
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: I want to shock people and just have them say,

988
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, what's goin on? Like blood everywhere and

989
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: guts and I mean, yeah, blood is part of it,

990
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: and gutting an animal's part of a hunt. But you

991
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: don't have to publish that, I think. I mean, if

992
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: you want to, you're welcome to. But the thing is

993
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: you want to keep it respectful. Like when people don't

994
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: like hunting, or maybe they don't mind hunting, but they

995
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: don't want to see that. You just have to respect

996
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: that a little bit and show when we post pictures.

997
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: You'll never see a picture on our pages or on

998
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: our TV show, even as much as we can help it,

999
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: like that, we won't have blood showing, we won't have

1000
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: their tongue sticking out. We want to show respect to

1001
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: this animal because it's not just some random thing we

1002
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: shoot and walk by and don't care about. I mean,

1003
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: there's a huge amount of respect for the animals that

1004
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: we do hunt, and they gave their lives for us

1005
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: and we get to enjoy their meat for the rest

1006
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: of the year the season. So we try to show

1007
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: them with respect and in return, people that maybe are

1008
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: on the sense about hunting or don't like hunting, they

1009
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: give a little more respect back to us because they know,

1010
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, we're not being rude. We're sitting on the animals,

1011
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: are standing on the animals. You know, this is a real,

1012
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: live thing and that it's very important to us. So

1013
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: that's another thing, just trying to keep that respect level

1014
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: up and then stand by what you believe. Yeah, that

1015
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: is huge. And again, you know, I think all these

1016
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: things are all really closely tied and together that like

1017
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: you said, it's such a representation that when someone sees

1018
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: these pictures we post on social media, they're gonna make

1019
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: judgment calls based on that. And if we aren't careful

1020
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: about what we put out there, the wrong judgment could

1021
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: be made. Um, exactly, we had we actually I was

1022
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: doing an interview a few months ago and um, the

1023
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: person asked me, don't think how it went. He said

1024
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: that a woman from this town wrote in and said

1025
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: that they're um gun course, like their field instructor or

1026
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: whatever for your gun course, gun safety certificate or hunting safety.

1027
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: He told the instructor. So this guy's a hunter, he

1028
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: told all his students, but they absolutely should not post

1029
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: anything about hunting on Facebook or social media. They should

1030
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: not have any dead animals. And I had the interview

1031
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: I was doing, asked me what my opinion was and

1032
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely completely wrong. I don't think that

1033
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: man was right in any way to tell a students that.

1034
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: I understand his reasoning. He was trying not to get

1035
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: his young students, you know, in trouble or get them

1036
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: to a controversy. But if you're a hunter, you understand,

1037
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: like we've talked about in this interview, you you understand

1038
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: why hunting is so great and so positive, and you're

1039
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: not doing anything wrong. You're proud to do what you do,

1040
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: so there's no reason to hide it. But at the

1041
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: same time, in a small way, I agree with this

1042
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: man as far as you know, like I said, be respectful,

1043
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: and it's not for shock value. It's because this is

1044
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: a great thing you're doing. And it's even better if

1045
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: you can show your family eating the meat from the

1046
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: Deer Show, say that we're what you're going to use

1047
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: the meat for, who you're giving it to, anything like that.

1048
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: It's just those small things. They represent us as hunters

1049
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: as a whole, and you have to remember, whether you're

1050
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 1: me and have all these people on Facebook, or whether

1051
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: you're Joe from next door who has five people on Facebook,

1052
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: every one of us represents hunters as a group, and

1053
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: if we want the future of hunting, like you said,

1054
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: it's a it's not a right, it's sort of a

1055
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: something that we're given by the government currently, which is

1056
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: a little bit upsetting. But if you want to keep

1057
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: that going and keep the future of hunting straw, and

1058
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: you have to know that everything you put out there

1059
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: is a hunter is going to look like back on

1060
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: the hunters. So don't go drinking and drinking beer in

1061
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: the woods and shooting animals. That's not what we do.

1062
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: We're you know, we have ethics in world, and we

1063
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: have highly regulated hunting seasons and all of that is

1064
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: um really important that people know that and that we

1065
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: fall the role absolutely. And I think something that you

1066
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: had mentioned there ties into, ironically enough, something that I

1067
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: heard your dad talk about on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast,

1068
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: which is a great interview he did there month or

1069
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: two ago, and it was actually planning I'm planning and

1070
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: writing an article about this whole topic because I've got

1071
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: some thoughts on it too, But I'm curious to hear

1072
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: your perspective. I think it ties into what you just

1073
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: said there. But you know, when it comes to photos

1074
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: on Facebook or Twitter, or whatever it might be. It

1075
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: seems in a lot of cases that non hunters when

1076
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: they see photos of someone next to a dead animal

1077
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: and we're smiling, the act of smiling next to a

1078
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: dead animal, that seems we're really off putting to a

1079
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: lot of people. And I guess from an outside perspective,

1080
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: maybe I can see that, But from an inside perspective,

1081
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: I understand there's a lot more going on there that

1082
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: is why we're smiling in that picture. Um, but I'm

1083
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: curious for you, what are your thoughts on that and

1084
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: how do you explain that to a nun hunter? Well,

1085
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand the concept behind it. I understand

1086
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: it looks a little weird for dander to see someone

1087
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: with the dead animal smiling when I don't know what

1088
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: they think we should be doing. I don't know if

1089
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: they want us to post it crying. I'm just sure. Yeah.

1090
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: The best thing is, you know, at hunters, you work

1091
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: hard for those animals. You put in the hours, you

1092
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: put in the practice off your shooting or bow hunting

1093
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. You obviously put a lot of money into

1094
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: it for the tags and for the products. It's of

1095
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: the year that you need to hunting is not a

1096
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: cheap thing to do. But when you work hard and

1097
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: you do all those things and everything comes together and

1098
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it doesn't, but sometimes it does if

1099
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: you're lucky and you get this animal. The basics behind

1100
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: it is what we've talked about, that it's a great thing.

1101
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: Hunting is a great thing, and the fact that you

1102
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: actually got an animal after working hard is you know,

1103
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: cherry on top. So when you're posting a picture, I

1104
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: guess it goes back to smiling in a picture. It's

1105
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: still you know, you're still being respectful. You're proud of

1106
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: what you accomplished. You're proud that all the things you

1107
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: believe in all came together and it's sitting there in

1108
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: front of you, and that meat is something you get

1109
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: to eat. I mean, you don't see anti hunters in

1110
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: the grocery store buying state crying. You know, it's just

1111
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: not it doesn't make any sense because it doesn't like

1112
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: it's just sort of it almost doesn't make sense to

1113
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: me that they would care about that. But um, yeah,

1114
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: it just when you understand all the things and all

1115
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: the reasons why you hunted, you're proud to be hunter.

1116
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm so proud to be a hunter

1117
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: anyone in the world and ask me if they have

1118
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: a gun to my head and asked me if I'm

1119
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: proud to me hunter, Like I'm going to say yes

1120
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: because I am. So. I don't see why having a

1121
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: photo of smiling, that's just showing you that you're proud

1122
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: and you're you know, you're doing the right thing. So

1123
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: in that sense, I think they just need to stop

1124
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: looking at our pictures. Maybe al right, So I have

1125
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: a I have a question, and this is really not related, um,

1126
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: but me and Mark are obsessed when it comes to

1127
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: der season opening day. And I remember this year we

1128
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: were we were texting back and forth at like midnight,

1129
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: one o'clock. Are you pumped? I'm pumped and all this stuff.

1130
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: Are you as obsessed as we are? And what's what season?

1131
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: What animal gets you the most excited? Oh my gosh,

1132
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: totally as obsessed we have. The worst part is we

1133
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: have so many people in our company that are all involved.

1134
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: Whether it's camera guys or whether it's someone else you

1135
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: know at our hunt an area that they're putting out

1136
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: date or whether they're checking the stealth cams or whatever

1137
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: it is. There always seems to be some kind of

1138
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: season in their company that's happening, um, And there's always

1139
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: something to be excited about. So I think we're even

1140
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: more obsessed maybe because we always have, like most the

1141
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: average person probably as deer and turkey season. We have

1142
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: like r Sason to get excited, and then we have

1143
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: moose sason and caribou, and then we have Turkey and

1144
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: there and you know Africa. My dad was going to Africa,

1145
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: and I will be excited about every time you text

1146
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: me a picture. UM, So I definitely am as excited.

1147
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: As far as my favorite hunts, I always say, um,

1148
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: the Yukon is my favorite because I love the area

1149
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 1: and the pristine purity, and you know, you're the middle

1150
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: of nowhere. No one can get to your two and

1151
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: a half our flight from the closest road. You're just

1152
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: in the middle of absolute heaven on earth. But as

1153
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: far as getting excited about something, I'm gonna say it's

1154
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: white tail season because that's the kind of thing. I mean, Moose,

1155
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: you kind of go off, They drop you off in

1156
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: a full plane and you're on your own and just

1157
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: have to figure it out. It's fine what you're looking for.

1158
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: But like every white tail hunter knows. There's a lot

1159
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: that goes into it as far as cameras, like we

1160
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 1: put our salth cameras that months in advance and set

1161
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: up first stance and everything else, um that's involved with

1162
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: deer hunting. And every day someone will pick up the cameras,

1163
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: whether it's me if I'm there, or someone our neighbors

1164
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: will we PieP them up and sendis to photos. You

1165
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: have to look at all the camera photos and see

1166
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: what's coming in and see how big it is, and

1167
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: age them and see if you've seen them in years past.

1168
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 1: And so for me white tail hunting. And I'm sure

1169
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: my dad would probably agree as far as getting excited

1170
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: about a season that would that would probably sop it

1171
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: off because you really have a lot of lead up

1172
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: to the season before. Yeah, I think you know. We

1173
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: actually interviewed your dad a couple of months ago on

1174
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: the podcast, and I think we asked a similar question

1175
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: and he said, I believe something pretty clol. I think

1176
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: he said moose is his favorite animal to hunt, but

1177
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: white tailed deer was was the animal if you could

1178
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: only hunt one thing for the rest of his life,

1179
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: that would be the animal because of everything. Yeah, exactly

1180
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: it's and it's cool because it's white chillum. We'd probably

1181
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: be the same in that sense. If we could have

1182
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: one animal for rest of our life and not have

1183
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: anything else, I would definitely have white tail as well.

1184
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: Because every white tail hunt every from year to year

1185
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: or province to province or stake to state. I mean,

1186
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: they're so different and you can it's I love it

1187
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: because they're antlers kind of tell a story. And I

1188
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: love that you can see them from year to year

1189
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: and see them grow and if they get hurt, you

1190
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: see you know, a drop, time start developing, and you

1191
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: see this and that, and then they start getting smaller

1192
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: when they're that old, and it tells the story just

1193
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: by their antlers, let alone the beautiful animals that are

1194
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: actually carrying the antlers. And I mean, on top of

1195
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: all that, my favorite meat to eat is dennison. So

1196
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, I'm really happy if

1197
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: we have a year on the ground. Whatever the antlers

1198
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: or non antlers look like, it's just it's a great

1199
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: thing to have in your freezer for the rest of

1200
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: the year. Yeah, so true. We me and Dan could

1201
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: go for hours talking about why we love white tails

1202
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: so much. So we better stop now. Um So my

1203
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: final question for you. You mentioned at the beginning of

1204
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: the show that you recently had your own bow you know,

1205
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: announced by bow Tech, and things are going great for

1206
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: you with you know, your show with your dad and whatnot.

1207
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: But is there ever going to be plans to have

1208
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: your own show in the future. Um, it's funny as

1209
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: that because yes, I mean there there has been plans

1210
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: for that, probably for about five years now, since I started.

1211
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: It's always been a discussion. We've gone back and forth

1212
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: withoutdoor channel, and I don't really sure how much about

1213
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: but um, yeah, there definitely is. It's more than it

1214
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: hasn't been that we couldn't make it happen because obviously

1215
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: we have the editors and we have the opportunity to

1216
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: do that. It's just my dad, which I have huge

1217
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: respect for him. He's been really careful in helping me

1218
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: sort of maneuver my way in the industry, and you know,

1219
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: he's been a great role model first of all, but

1220
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: he knows that you can't just jump in and expect

1221
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: it to go like great. You have to make small decisions,

1222
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: and every small decision least to the next slightly bigger

1223
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: decision in this lightly bigger decision, and the roles I've

1224
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: taken and the jobs I've taken and the companies I've represented,

1225
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: I mean, those are all carefully sought out because we

1226
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: know that every decision I make is going to affect

1227
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: the future. So we haven't we haven't jumped in for

1228
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: me to do my own show at this point, but

1229
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: I will tell you that it's definitely getting a lot

1230
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: closer and I'm sure it will be uh something that

1231
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: will be happening in the near future. That's exciting news,

1232
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that you were able to tell us

1233
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: that too. I know there'll be a lot of people

1234
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: excited to see that whenever that comes comes down the pipe.

1235
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: Hopefully hopefully I'm not listening because I'm not really sure

1236
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: what it was allowed to say that, but sorry, I'll

1237
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: do my best to make sure they don't here, but

1238
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't think i'll have much luck. Well, even this

1239
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 1: has been an awesome conversation. I think, um, it's something

1240
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: we haven't been able to talk about yet in the

1241
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: podcast over the past year, but it's such an important topic,

1242
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: so I appreciate you being with us here to have

1243
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: this conversation. To talk about these important things and to

1244
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: to do it in such a great way. I think

1245
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: again I said it before, but we appreciate the way

1246
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: that you represent hunters and females and hunting um. So

1247
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: thank you for that. And then also for those that

1248
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: want to keep up to date on your latest hunting

1249
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: adventures or want to learn more about Jim Shocky hunting

1250
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: adventures or anything like that, where can they go to

1251
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: get that information online? Oh there's a lot of places

1252
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: now actually, thanks for social media, we have the best

1253
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: place for us probably would be Facebook. So it's Facebook

1254
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: dot com. And if you want me, it's slash Eva

1255
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: Shocky fan page. And if you want my dad's page,

1256
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: slash Jim Shocky fan page. And then we're both on

1257
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter. The best ways just Instagram dot com

1258
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: slash you Shocky or Twitter dot com slash you Shocking.

1259
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of Eva Shockys out there. So

1260
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: I kind of got my DIDs on my name, and

1261
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: I get I'm the one person that gets my actual

1262
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: name and doesn't have one decided or something. You didn't

1263
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: have to pay twenty bucks to get that or convinced Twitter.

1264
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just waiting for someone another a shocky

1265
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: that has a bigger job than idea, that they're going

1266
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: to kick me out of my own Well, I hope

1267
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen, but thank you again. This has been

1268
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: awesome and best of luck with with everything that's coming year.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, it's been great you guys. It's awesome to

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Speaker 1: hear you guys that are so excited about hunting and

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Speaker 1: care so much about the future of it. So any

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Speaker 1: time you guys want me on here, I'm yours awesome.

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Speaker 1: Well we might take you up on that, perfect all right,

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Speaker 1: but by now even thanks a lot, thanks so nice.

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Speaker 1: Al Right, Well, I think that's going to be it

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Speaker 1: for us today. And I thought this is a really

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Speaker 1: cool conversation and I hope you guys did too. That said,

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Speaker 1: for showing some links from today's episode, visit wired to

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Speaker 1: as we always ask if you enjoy the show today,

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Speaker 1: we would really appreciate if you could leave a rating

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Speaker 1: or review on iTunes now. As always, we'd also like

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Speaker 1: to thank our partners who helped make this show possible

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Speaker 1: so big thanks to Sick of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery,

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Speaker 1: of North America. And finally, thank you all for being

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Speaker 1: with us here today. If you're hunting season isn't over yet,

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Speaker 1: good luck in these final hunts. And if it is over, well,

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Speaker 1: it's time to start working towards the next one, so

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Speaker 1: keep after it and stay Weired to Hunt