Speaker 1: I leave in I you wanna way back home? Either way,
Speaker 1: we want to be there.
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter how much baggage you claim.
Speaker 1: And give us time and a terminol engage aid.
Speaker 2: We want to send you off in style. We wanna
Speaker 2: welcome you back home.
Speaker 1: Tell us all about it. We scared her? Was it fine? Now? Porn?
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do your need to ride? Ride?
Speaker 2: Do you need.
Speaker 3: With?
Speaker 2: Karen and Chris welcome to Do you need a ride?
Speaker 2: This is Chris Fairbanks.
Speaker 1: And this is Karen Kilgareff.
Speaker 2: Hello, Karen, happy.
Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: Chris asked, have you been doing spring cleaning today? Would
Speaker 2: you say, is spring cleaning a thing because it's spring?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Why is it?
Speaker 2: Why is it?
Speaker 1: Well, personally, I'll answer for myself. In the wintertime, I
Speaker 1: feel like everything is like you're all cold, and you
Speaker 1: keep using the same blanket over and over, and you
Speaker 1: kind of are like locked down a little bit. So
Speaker 1: when it's spring and you're thrown open those windows and
Speaker 1: kind of loving the weather and letting the opening the
Speaker 1: window let the air breeze through, then you start kind
Speaker 1: of like cleaning things. I literally just cleaned out all
Speaker 1: kinds of close out of my closet to donate because
Speaker 1: I realized I was just shoving shirts like T shirts
Speaker 1: over and over into a shelf. Oh yeah, so I
Speaker 1: didn't know what was in there, and I also wasn't
Speaker 1: wearing a lot of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the only time I touck in my shirt
Speaker 2: is when I'm jamming my fingers in a drawer. And
Speaker 2: that You're right, it's a window thing. I don't know
Speaker 2: why I left the house solely to buy wind Dex,
Speaker 2: a thing I've never strive to yearn for, and I
Speaker 2: got so excited and I even grabbed You know, there's
Speaker 2: some of these lunatics that prefer newspaper on glacke.
Speaker 1: That's that's the best way.
Speaker 2: I don't agree. I just it leaves streaks of ink.
Speaker 2: You need newsprint.
Speaker 1: Maybe, oh maybe they don't make them like they used to.
Speaker 2: That that's why if I didn't sound elderly enough with
Speaker 2: just the topic that I've brought up. They don't make newsprint,
Speaker 2: I mean print. They say print is dead, but I
Speaker 2: really mean for the sake of cleaning mirrors. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: ink ink is dead. They use it.
Speaker 1: I actually I had it because I have two tall
Speaker 1: windows or several tall windows, so I had a window
Speaker 1: cleaner guy. It came to get like all the body
Speaker 1: hard to get and I said, hey, I tried to
Speaker 1: clean these myself and it didn't work. And he was like,
Speaker 1: did you try to use like Windex and whatever? And
Speaker 1: he said, and this might be like a conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: he said, Windex puts wax in their product. I shouldn't
Speaker 1: maybe shouldn't be name checking them, but so that you
Speaker 1: have to keep using it.
Speaker 2: That's insane. That's that's like, uh, Carmex, you know.
Speaker 1: That makes your lips hup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they put fibers of glass. Well, our love
Speaker 2: to the Carmex and Windex people were still available of
Speaker 2: unitas to give a shout out commercial wise, But you
Speaker 2: cut up together put on our windows. It's all been
Speaker 2: a lie.
Speaker 1: You could have been the window guy, you know, propagandaizing
Speaker 1: so that I always used a window guy instead of
Speaker 1: trying to windox the windows myself. Yeah, anything's possible in
Speaker 1: today's America.
Speaker 2: I forgot about window guys. Did they come up on
Speaker 2: a scaffolding with a top hat and you kind of oh,
Speaker 2: I'm in my neglige. Is it ever like that?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I feel like you're combining chimney
Speaker 1: sweeps in the top hat part outfit and.
Speaker 2: You still live in a multi story house.
Speaker 1: Right in Victorian English.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: H what a strong start. Now I'll go ahead and
Speaker 2: be the reason for that just topic alone amazing. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I've been spring cleaning. I could have just told you
Speaker 2: that I'm very excited about our guest today, are you.
Speaker 1: I am, yeah, very much so.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think our opening conversation had a touch of self
Speaker 1: consciousness about it because we really like this guest.
Speaker 2: Well last time we were self conscious and it was
Speaker 2: a great episode. So why I switched things up?
Speaker 1: Why change it now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree, I'll go I'm going to introduce our guests,
Speaker 2: Karen do it, okay?
Speaker 3: I will.
Speaker 2: Our next guest is a podcaster, comedian and rapper. I
Speaker 2: use rapper. Everyone put your ears together for open Mike
Speaker 2: Eagle hio, Hi.
Speaker 3: That I liked your adventure a lot?
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, thank god?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it was really great. You gave very
Speaker 3: practical reasons why you should like wash blankets, Like that's
Speaker 3: a really good reason because the reason I usually do
Speaker 3: it is if they smell right and I've waited too long.
Speaker 3: But if I think like you, then I'll be more proactive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just seasonally.
Speaker 3: Seasonally, Yeah, at least I.
Speaker 1: Mean a couple of times a year maybe.
Speaker 2: And I did get the end. Sorry I was looking for.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was because I was starting to
Speaker 2: open my windows and then it's like everything must go
Speaker 2: because it doesn't get cold here in the winter. But yes,
Speaker 2: I used the same I didn't wash my sheets. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna stay at times for a couple months now. I
Speaker 2: know that grosses you both out.
Speaker 3: I mean I can pretend like it grosses me out,
Speaker 3: and then that would make it seem like I do
Speaker 3: it a lot more frequently. Yeah, but that wouldn't be honest.
Speaker 1: Let's at least be honest on this episode at the
Speaker 1: very least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll try.
Speaker 3: But sometimes honesty gets into stuff that I don't necessarily
Speaker 3: want to admit publicly. And then what do I do?
Speaker 1: Then just keep going, just keep feeling double down.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's kind of what lies are for,
Speaker 3: is for stuff you don't want.
Speaker 2: To make publicly, right, you know, so you're not revealing
Speaker 2: how gross you can be. That's really the main reason
Speaker 2: I lie.
Speaker 1: Guys when you don't wash your sheets for let's just
Speaker 1: say one month. And that might not be true, But
Speaker 1: if it is, what color are your sheets?
Speaker 2: That's the thing we got all the time.
Speaker 1: Are they plaid?
Speaker 2: Are you asking when I bought them? Or now? Oh
Speaker 2: that's gross because now they're tie died. It's like I
Speaker 2: brought my sheets to a guar show. I ate that
Speaker 2: is the issue, Karen. I have red like tomato red
Speaker 2: sheets hot. That is very sexy, thank you well. It
Speaker 2: goes with the theme in my room. It's an outdoorsy theme.
Speaker 2: And I got red sheets.
Speaker 3: So if I had red outdoors, is it like rivers
Speaker 3: of blood?
Speaker 1: Like outdoors in hell?
Speaker 2: You're very very right to say that red is rarely
Speaker 2: a color that exists when you're in the woods.
Speaker 1: But it's a poppy field.
Speaker 2: It's outdoorsy with with lanterns and but red, uh, Gingham
Speaker 2: is the print, the classic let's have a picnic print.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I got red sheets to go with those red
Speaker 2: so and I have multiple sets of red sheets, so
Speaker 2: I think there's problem. My point is if I got
Speaker 2: white sheets, like a classic white sheet, which I've never had,
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 3: All the carrying. Your sheets aren't white, No, they are not. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like only hotels and hospitals.
Speaker 2: That's why I want them, That's why. Yeah, where am
Speaker 2: I more comfortable? Where do I get the best sleep?
Speaker 2: Maybe it's because it's a better mattress, but hotels.
Speaker 1: Just give the sheets all the credit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm gonna make I'm gonna make them real
Speaker 2: tight at the end, so my feet have to be
Speaker 2: horizontal like a ballerina or parallel.
Speaker 1: Just flatten them out the pain and then I go
Speaker 1: right into blissful sleep.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You spend the whole night trying to loosen them up,
Speaker 3: and yeah.
Speaker 2: Sleep like an Egyptian.
Speaker 1: Like when you are on tour? Uh do you first
Speaker 1: of all do you stay at like are you going
Speaker 1: to hotels constantly?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And do you like that lifestyle?
Speaker 3: So I it's not that I like it, but I
Speaker 3: do miss it sometimes when I'm at home too long.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I miss the sort of disorienting feeling of waking
Speaker 3: up in a blacked out room opening the window because
Speaker 3: I'm staying like downtown in some city and it really
Speaker 3: taking me a while to figure out what city. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I missed that feeling sometimes because it's like a I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's it's it's a it's a little bit
Speaker 3: of it's like a chaotic prize. Yes you win.
Speaker 1: You know, it's glamorous. It's showing you.
Speaker 3: Could be in Boston or you could be in Houston. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, depending on what you like, that's either great
Speaker 3: or terrible.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. I always say that's what I don't I
Speaker 2: like just doing the shows I hate. I don't like
Speaker 2: the travel part, but I do. I just don't like,
Speaker 2: Oh crap, I have to buy a bunch of flights today.
Speaker 2: That's it. I have to get to the airport. That's
Speaker 2: what I don't like, which used to be the premise
Speaker 2: of this podcast. Yes, record doing a thing we didn't
Speaker 2: like the least, but that staying in hotels and waking
Speaker 2: up in them is it feels.
Speaker 3: Good because when you got the right hotel, it's hard
Speaker 3: to leave. Yeah, you know, if you got the nice
Speaker 3: one with a with a spacious room and a nice
Speaker 3: hotel bar situation, it's kind of cool. You know, maybe
Speaker 3: it's close to the venue, so it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 3: a big to do to get outer in and you know,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I wish I could just take this
Speaker 3: hotel with me to the next city, you know, but
Speaker 3: that's just not how hotels.
Speaker 1: Work unless you're staying at the Marriotte pretty much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sheraton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did a Marriott and when I was
Speaker 2: just in Milwaukee, but then in Cargo where you're from, right, Mike, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I stayed at Have you ever heard of the Ohio House?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 2: It's like an old motel, that kind where your car
Speaker 2: is right outside your door.
Speaker 3: Those are usually scary, it.
Speaker 2: Usually, but sometimes they get modified into a boutique situation,
Speaker 2: which means they just buy new lamps.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I have feelings about that because it's like, I
Speaker 3: know what this used to be. Yeah, so why why
Speaker 3: am I paying like anywhere near a real hotel price
Speaker 3: when we all know what this is.
Speaker 2: You're right, and I get fooled by it. I'm like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: I get It's so simple, and I'm on the ground floor.
Speaker 3: And it's swanky, and they usually put little weird decorations places.
Speaker 3: They might have odd books stacked on the shelf. No,
Speaker 3: I get it, and I like it. I just think
Speaker 3: there should be some some price differential between what this
Speaker 3: is and what we all know it used to do. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was only like twenty dollars cheaper. But I
Speaker 2: drove away from the venue to get to it because
Speaker 2: I want I It's the thing as I was worried
Speaker 2: about this car that I tore out. It was like
Speaker 2: a fancy car. And there's I have a weird thing
Speaker 2: about paying as much for the room as the parking
Speaker 2: in the hotel. And they said, I just went free parking.
Speaker 2: And it's like, just showed a bullet hole riddled motel. Oh,
Speaker 2: maybe it's been renovated. And the it was, and my
Speaker 2: car was right outside the window. But yes, each room
Speaker 2: had a corridor with like four or five rooms, and
Speaker 2: it's a perfect place to have gotten stabbed many times.
Speaker 2: And there was chaos in the nighttime, but it was
Speaker 2: mostly laughing. But it was right outside my door. Who
Speaker 2: laughs and then elbows their neighbor's door. But I didn't
Speaker 2: think it was gonna get killed.
Speaker 3: They heard a real good joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The first step in that renovation, though, is the removal
Speaker 3: of the dirty microwave, which I'm a fan of. I
Speaker 3: like that, Yeah, I like that. My favorite one of
Speaker 3: these places, though, have either of y'all ever stayed at
Speaker 3: the I think it's called the Jupiter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my favorite, one of those. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 3: connected to my favorite venue is the Doug Ferns right
Speaker 3: to the Sandlib. But you know what's really weird about
Speaker 3: the Jupiter is that I noticed and I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know how a place accumulates a reputation like
Speaker 3: this or encourages this kind of behavior, but it was
Speaker 3: about it's been about three times when I've stayed at
Speaker 3: the Jupiter and there were people very intentionally having sex
Speaker 3: in their room with with the window on the front
Speaker 3: so you could walk by and see.
Speaker 1: I swear to god, I think it was the last
Speaker 1: bridge Town and we were all staying at the Jupiter,
Speaker 1: and that's the first thing I thought of, And I
Speaker 1: was like, am I being perverted? But it's like this
Speaker 1: has a swingers vibe where it feels like here, take
Speaker 1: your key or whatever. Yeah, because because it's all kind
Speaker 1: of like out in the open.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just leaving a pineapple outside my door. You
Speaker 2: know what that means? Wink wink, It means you're swingers.
Speaker 2: Did you know that about the pineapple?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I just found that out recently. I did the Joco Cruise,
Speaker 3: which if anybody ever had a chance to do it,
Speaker 3: it's fucking amazing. But there was, uh, there was this
Speaker 3: outbreak of pineapples being put on people's door way. Yes,
Speaker 3: like people who weren't necessarily into that lifestyle were suddenly
Speaker 3: being approached having the doors knocked on because there was
Speaker 3: a rogue person running around putting pineapples on things.
Speaker 2: But like a sexual villain.
Speaker 3: Yes, But it all ultimately unfolded and people found out
Speaker 3: who did it. The person who was doing it didn't
Speaker 3: know that that's what pineapples meant.
Speaker 2: Oh, they were just delivered. I believe them.
Speaker 3: They thought they were just they thought they were being festive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who doesn't want a pineapple? Everyone loves the sweetest fruit.
Speaker 1: That's quite a mistake, though.
Speaker 3: It is quite a mistake because there were people on
Speaker 3: the cruise who were into that ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I'm on that guy's side.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: When someone said, don't you know what pineapples on the
Speaker 2: door means, which is what I just did to you two,
Speaker 2: he'd be like, what what? No, I was just giving
Speaker 2: out pineapples, not trying to make people swing.
Speaker 1: I mean what do you think, Mike, what do you
Speaker 1: think that person if the if swinging was out of
Speaker 1: it the idea that he's they're just being cute like that,
Speaker 1: they're just kind.
Speaker 3: Of it's a very cute cruise. It is. It's an
Speaker 3: aggressively Joco. People are going out of their way to
Speaker 3: like do cute ship all the time. So that I
Speaker 3: buy it. I buy it as as the reason.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want what is the Joe cote, Not that
Speaker 2: you're to promote that.
Speaker 3: But yeah I'm not because I don't know if they're
Speaker 3: booking me next year. Yeah, this is this is not
Speaker 3: a sponsored post. But Jonathan Colton, the musician, oh sure,
Speaker 3: organizes the Joco Cruise. They've been doing it I think
Speaker 3: like over ten years now, and they have musicians and
Speaker 3: comedians and improvisers and all sorts of folks on and
Speaker 3: then there's there's an audience for where they buy up
Speaker 3: the boat every year.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: This was my second time doing it in March, and
Speaker 3: it is fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: It sounds like the vibe is very like theater camp,
Speaker 1: almost like I'm expressing myself and these are the people
Speaker 1: that want to support that expression.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is exactly that and Max. You've done the
Speaker 2: Max fun Con stuff, right.
Speaker 3: I have done the Max fun Con one time. This
Speaker 3: this is like that on the water with Booze all.
Speaker 2: Day, right, that's Jesse Thorne did do that one. There
Speaker 2: was like a cruise that we did and I think
Speaker 2: not a ton of people came as mostly comics. And
Speaker 2: then but then you're just kind of sequestered to half
Speaker 2: the ship. They didn't get the whole boat. Of course,
Speaker 2: who gets a whole boat?
Speaker 3: Well when Joco started, they didn't have the whole boat either,
Speaker 3: but now they've grown to where they have the whole boat.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, whole crucis.
Speaker 3: It's really something and the staff is like shook and
Speaker 3: thrilled at the same time. Well, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's too late. You've efficiently promoted it. And i'd like
Speaker 2: to submit that you be booked again next year.
Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to clip this part and send.
Speaker 2: It to you.
Speaker 1: We will clip it on a lease clip market clip it, send.
Speaker 3: It everything after the Pineapple things.
Speaker 1: Right, right, don't tell them that we busted them. I
Speaker 1: like that idea, though. I think the Energy and Mike
Speaker 1: you would know this kind of best because you do
Speaker 1: comedy and you do music, but I think the energy
Speaker 1: between comedians and musicians gets very We all want to
Speaker 1: impress each other. We want to do what the other
Speaker 1: group does we want to which is kind of interesting
Speaker 1: because then you're right in the middle of that. I
Speaker 1: wonder what that's like for you where because that kind
Speaker 1: of like impress each other, kind of let everyone's lightly
Speaker 1: in love with each other. That would be great on
Speaker 1: a cruise ship. That would be very pineapply.
Speaker 3: It's really fantastic. I mean it didn't get to pineapple
Speaker 3: levels in the green room, but it was very good.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe with some people that got the pineapple right.
Speaker 3: I can't speak for everyone, but that the best part
Speaker 3: of my two times on the cruise, the most like
Speaker 3: heart feeling parts to me, was that, like, you know,
Speaker 3: because there's all these shows all through the day and
Speaker 3: every night, and then afterwards all the performers are in
Speaker 3: the green room, were all just fucking gushing over each
Speaker 3: other because everybody's so cool and everybody's so talented, and
Speaker 3: it's just really an amazing assembly of people. It seems
Speaker 3: like every time, even though I've only done it twice, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it sounds awesome.
Speaker 2: I'm always shocked when musician that I look up to
Speaker 2: even considers stand up. I always think of it as
Speaker 2: a lower art form for some reason, because I.
Speaker 1: Do it because you do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: have no appreciation for it because.
Speaker 2: You But the mutual the seeing anyone, even the biggest
Speaker 2: rock star, wants to do jokes in between songs, and
Speaker 2: I once I started to realize that more and more
Speaker 2: see it more and more, I'm like, oh, we both
Speaker 2: like the thing the other one does.
Speaker 3: It's cool. Yeah, we call that banter, and banter is hard.
Speaker 2: I've been messing around with friends singing old punk songs
Speaker 2: from skateboard videos, and it's fun. It's mostly for us
Speaker 2: to have fun. But man, with jokes, I tell in
Speaker 2: between songs. God, they it's so easy to get a laugh.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, man, I gotta how do I set
Speaker 2: this up to be the case all the time?
Speaker 3: Yeah? The bar so low. People call the music shows.
Speaker 3: They don't expect laughter. They want to laugh, but they
Speaker 3: don't expect it. But care you you're right there in
Speaker 3: the middle too. You've seen it all.
Speaker 1: True, true, I've seen it all well. I just it's
Speaker 1: just that I haven't done it in a long time.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking of you know, Largo and the Largo,
Speaker 1: the late nineties Largo days which had that kind of energy,
Speaker 1: or early two thousands where like the thing Chris is
Speaker 1: saying where it's like, oh, we're just the comedy show,
Speaker 1: So where's we're like the thing that either comes after
Speaker 1: or before. But then when it all kind of gets
Speaker 1: mixed together and the musicians are hanging out like this
Speaker 1: is my hang and this is your hang, and so
Speaker 1: we're all kind of like you start to then get
Speaker 1: that up close kind of love and appreciation that I
Speaker 1: think in comedy, especially in the nineties, it was so
Speaker 1: competitive and so kind of like cooler than now, and
Speaker 1: suddenly there were musicians that were just like open and
Speaker 1: nice and nice right to your face. And then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I should be like that. That's actually way cooler. Like
Speaker 1: this idea that we're all kind of you know, artsy
Speaker 1: together and it's not a competition was it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a It was such a better vibe obviously,
Speaker 1: and it's so much more fun.
Speaker 2: And it makes it so much better to put it
Speaker 2: on a confined place with beds, so you can make
Speaker 2: it sultry.
Speaker 3: That's right, you can have you can have pineapple to
Speaker 3: to mix. Everything goes crazy.
Speaker 2: I think that the Jupiter it's to go back to that.
Speaker 2: I think the reason that has this vibe is the curtains.
Speaker 2: I remember, don't fully close against your will. You can
Speaker 2: as people walk by. How many situations are people It's
Speaker 2: totally normal to walk and you can be six inches
Speaker 2: from that crack in the in the curtains. So I
Speaker 2: think the reason I've had seen so many people have
Speaker 2: sex there and I have, it's because my face was
Speaker 2: pressed against the.
Speaker 1: Glass, which which room had the most split curtains and
Speaker 1: you're going over there, not.
Speaker 2: Walking by, but you can hear my nose goes. And
Speaker 2: my friend Katie and her her husband are part owners
Speaker 2: of that place. I've I've not that I'm bragging. I
Speaker 2: know people in real estate YouTube what I know. I know, Uh,
Speaker 2: she's from She's an old Montana pal and I've stayed
Speaker 2: there many times. It's a let's another shout out to
Speaker 2: the Jupiter.
Speaker 1: And is it the Doug Fer has that awesome diner.
Speaker 1: So like yeah, in the morning, like when it's a
Speaker 1: comedy festival in the morning, everyone's going it. It has
Speaker 1: a very college dorm or college cafeteria vibe where it's
Speaker 1: like go get your waffles, people are coming or leaving
Speaker 1: or yeah, and it's so fun.
Speaker 2: I've only performed a couple of times in that that venue,
Speaker 2: but I love it. It's that terroriced like semi circle. It's
Speaker 2: isn't it sunken down? Am I making up?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's in if you go downstairs and it's and
Speaker 3: it's like it's like a downstairs treehouse. Five Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like logs everywhere and shit, it's incredible and it sounds
Speaker 3: really good and it is legitimately my favorite venue in
Speaker 3: the entire world. Wow, it's no better, Like, there's no
Speaker 3: better place.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I've forgotten about because I record
Speaker 2: my special in Portland and I just someone told me
Speaker 2: where to do it and it was a regular theater.
Speaker 2: I yeah, that's the best. It esthetically looks like a
Speaker 2: seventies Yeah, carpet covered like tree for it vibe.
Speaker 3: Like a like a lodge. Yeah, it's like a lodge.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: When I did that venue, I totally agree. There's like
Speaker 1: almost a built in energy because of the way it's
Speaker 1: like they really mapped it out perfectly, especially for comedy,
Speaker 1: because I remember doing it, and I was just doing
Speaker 1: regular stand up, I wasn't doing music, and I was
Speaker 1: just its like, this is what I've been working on
Speaker 1: the least, and I don't have a lot of faith
Speaker 1: in it. I'm like, you can't not have faith when
Speaker 1: you go up there, because this place is packed, everyone's
Speaker 1: killing like it's all good. And then I just felt
Speaker 1: like the way it was set up, it almost it's
Speaker 1: like it's telling the audience like you're in this very
Speaker 1: specific type of show and you're in a showroom almost
Speaker 1: like the audience can look at each other and look
Speaker 1: at you, and it's just very it feels like it
Speaker 1: was built to be supportive, designed in that way.
Speaker 3: It feels like, you know what, you know what reminds
Speaker 3: me of is it? A lot of places suck? A
Speaker 3: lot of places, aren't that? A lot of places are terrible.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of bad venues. When I go
Speaker 3: on tour, that place is fucking great. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, even venues that people I of course won't name
Speaker 2: names I probably well they'll just fly out of my mouth.
Speaker 2: But when it's like banquet seating, oh my gosh, and
Speaker 2: people have to look from the side, It's like, wait,
Speaker 2: is this the renowned. I almost said it, but it's like,
Speaker 2: I've heard so many good things. What if you have
Speaker 2: a stiff neck and you can't people don't want to
Speaker 2: turn like that and you're facing other people. Nothing will
Speaker 2: ruin a comedy show like facing your best friend's wife,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, I just like traditional theater,
Speaker 2: shoulder to shoulder. You forget that they're there, like you're
Speaker 2: at the movies.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about that place in Hollywood?
Speaker 2: No? No, No, it was a I'll tell you later
Speaker 2: because it's in Chicago. I was like, oh boy, I
Speaker 2: was very much looked excited, and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a dinner banquet hall. There's glass everywhere and I
Speaker 2: can see cars, and uh. I think it was a
Speaker 2: situation where I went to a place where there isn't
Speaker 2: always comedy and maybe it's better for like dinner theater lounge,
Speaker 2: you know, and improvised performance of David and Lisa or
Speaker 2: who murdered the chef? I don't know, but at.
Speaker 1: David and Lisa, Yeah, I don't know. That is a
Speaker 1: pull from the late sixties.
Speaker 2: I did it. I was in that once and I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: What David and or Lisa do. I've never heard of
Speaker 3: this thing. Premise.
Speaker 1: It's it was a play that then they made into
Speaker 1: a movie, and it's basically kind of about two disturbed
Speaker 1: is it? Are they teenagers or like young people?
Speaker 2: All I remembered and correct me if I'm wrong. The
Speaker 2: audience was involved to interact. It was like a they
Speaker 2: not a choose your own adventure dictated by the audience.
Speaker 2: But if that hasn't been thought of, I just invented it.
Speaker 2: Don't steal my idea.
Speaker 1: Poor man's copyright.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's got it to see what the circle around it.
Speaker 2: But I thought it was a I don't know what
Speaker 2: I guess. I don't know what dinner theater is except
Speaker 2: you're eating and watching.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it would be like that is a play, yeah,
Speaker 1: and but then it isn't. That's a very weird play
Speaker 1: because it's basically about two people that are at like
Speaker 1: kind of like an asylum that finned each other and
Speaker 1: follow it right, So to do that for dinner theater
Speaker 1: is kind of intense.
Speaker 2: I didn't do it. I rehearsed it several times and
Speaker 2: then I was like, never mind, guys, and I moved
Speaker 2: to Austin then started doing stand up. It was a
Speaker 2: It was a in the world where thank God the
Speaker 2: devil top made the fiddle.
Speaker 3: What I am? I am sort of sort of curious now.
Speaker 3: I feel like when I see asylums on television, they
Speaker 3: usually gender split asylums in real life have to be coed.
Speaker 3: But that seems like problematic. Yes, it seems like that
Speaker 3: could lead to all sorts of issues it.
Speaker 1: For sure, I think. Yeah, although although I could be
Speaker 1: remembering this like I could be combining movies because I
Speaker 1: saw it as a movie, so I could definitely be
Speaker 1: combining plots. But I just know that they were both
Speaker 1: mentally unwell young people and that that found each other, right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you don't want people like wandering around in
Speaker 1: robes are like you know, open back medical gowns, right.
Speaker 3: Right, that that might have challenges that sort of don't
Speaker 3: compliment each other. Yeah, that seems like I could get messy.
Speaker 2: And it happens I know from experience, not as a
Speaker 2: guest but a visitor of you know, assisted living facilities.
Speaker 2: People be fucking like, oh everyone has crabs right now.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not trying to be dirty or sultry.
Speaker 2: It's something my experience.
Speaker 1: It's not sultry. So don't worry about.
Speaker 2: That old people. That's old school crabs. No, So everyone fucks,
Speaker 2: let's talk about it. I all of a sudden, I'm
Speaker 2: holding a pineapple.
Speaker 1: Because you've lost your mind. I know, I know.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if you're in.
Speaker 1: The mike, you sounded very passionate when you were talking
Speaker 1: about bad venues. Do you want to just describe like
Speaker 1: a worst case scenario bad.
Speaker 3: There's there's another place in Portland that to me, it's
Speaker 3: like this is the ab like one of these places
Speaker 3: in Portland that I've played. I think I got tricked
Speaker 3: into thinking that, like all the places in Portland were
Speaker 3: cool because I played like a couple cool places and
Speaker 3: this one was like it was it was like a
Speaker 3: theater and you know, luckily for me, there weren't seats,
Speaker 3: but it had that same sort of like sterile vibe
Speaker 3: and like the green room was a very small dressing
Speaker 3: room with you know, with the light bulbs around. Yeah
Speaker 3: I don't need that ship. I need outlets and a
Speaker 3: place to smoke marijuana. Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: You don't need a mirror to touch your own face
Speaker 1: and be like, come on, we can do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no powder going on my nose at all.
Speaker 3: But the yeah, the vibe was too sterile. This like yeah,
Speaker 3: and it was a place where there's a balcony, would
Speaker 3: have bunch of seeds, and it was just like you
Speaker 3: could tell that this was a place that people go
Speaker 3: to because there's somebody there that they want to see.
Speaker 3: But they wouldn't go there just to have fun on it, right,
Speaker 3: Like people don't just show up there to have a
Speaker 3: good time, yea, And like that's that's Those are the
Speaker 3: venues I typically don't like, are the ones where people
Speaker 3: don't just go hang out. It's not a hang It's
Speaker 3: like you kind of have to go to see this
Speaker 3: thing you want to see and then you get the
Speaker 3: fuck out of there as soon as it's over.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like there's a formality to it
Speaker 1: that doesn't isn't conducive.
Speaker 3: To what I to show you, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: It is funny. It's funny you bring up that light
Speaker 2: bulb blind mirror, because every time I see it, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: for God's sake, but they think I'm lines them in
Speaker 2: La thirty years ago. I gotta it showtime. Actually, it
Speaker 2: makes me nervous. Those things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it should be called crisis mirrors. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 3: they're there for.
Speaker 2: Well, I.
Speaker 3: To look back on your life and the choices that
Speaker 3: have led you to this moment. That's what they're there for.
Speaker 1: And then put on your black Swan costume and go
Speaker 1: out there and dance, dance, dance.
Speaker 2: That's so great. And I think I know exactly where
Speaker 2: you're talking about, but we'll wait until we're done recording.
Speaker 2: Are you what are you working on now? Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you have any albums? Or are you there? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm for any Oh gosh, I'm actually going
Speaker 3: to have a session with a couple of OG's tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: But I've been saying who or do you want it?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to say you might not come.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, hey.
Speaker 1: But you said and then you just get called on it.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess it doesn't matter as supposed to come
Speaker 3: through sessions.
Speaker 2: To me, that's that's who I wanted to go. I didn't,
Speaker 2: I didn't jink. It's okay. That's a lot of people
Speaker 2: are scared about putting things into the universe or jinxing thing.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think you did a good thing
Speaker 2: by saying.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I thought about it, and yeah, worst
Speaker 3: case scenario, he hears this, it would be or somebody,
Speaker 3: but it would be after it either happened or didn't
Speaker 3: happen anyway, so okay, and.
Speaker 2: He already wouldn't be listening because I the last time
Speaker 2: when I said something about Freestyle Fellowship being comedic rap
Speaker 2: to me, it was that I still flinch when I
Speaker 2: remember I said that, and so why would I repeat
Speaker 2: it now? The point is my friends and I that's
Speaker 2: how we connected with that album. We were like, that
Speaker 2: is the funniest because you know, everyone was kids when
Speaker 2: there's you know, it's like probably sixteen or seventeen some
Speaker 2: of those songs, And I just liked the the it
Speaker 2: was comedic.
Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, they had they had funny moments,
Speaker 3: they had little skits and sketches. Yeah, personality, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, yeah, it's probably tough to call him,
Speaker 3: uh comedic because they were very technical, very technical rappers.
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, if if you're a casual person,
Speaker 3: hearing them funny, isn't the first thing that's gonna come
Speaker 3: to your mind.
Speaker 2: Someone's rapping, and then nice start saying it like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, do you think everyone's going to
Speaker 2: be listening and turtle neecks? I go, yes, you know
Speaker 2: there was That's what I maybe laughed like all the
Speaker 2: Black Sheep did that too, and I don't a lot
Speaker 2: of those groups when they would break I guess it's
Speaker 2: sudden breaking off into song makes me laugh. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 3: The Far Side must have been comedy raps.
Speaker 2: I mean they legitimately funny lyrics, though there's no exactly.
Speaker 3: Like they were. They were trying to be funny in
Speaker 3: the raps and also breaking into song.
Speaker 2: I was. I was doing stand up at a cap aromo.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that, Karen? It was like a an
Speaker 2: open mic, but.
Speaker 1: It was like was it upstairs?
Speaker 2: It was ground level like a CD hotel, But I
Speaker 2: was talking. I don't ever do crowd work. But there
Speaker 2: was a guy with notebook and there was pieces of
Speaker 2: paper hanging out of it, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: are you going up tonight? And he's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm a musician. And then I realized in that moment
Speaker 2: it was fat Lip and I was like, and I
Speaker 2: nerd out. I've liked this guy since I was a kid,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I started like shaking. I'm like, did
Speaker 2: it begin with an F? And he's like yeah, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, you're like what I like, I think
Speaker 2: you're I And then I just started eating it. But
Speaker 2: he was real nice. He went up to every comic he.
Speaker 1: Said, wait, I'm sorry, this was during your set.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh shit.
Speaker 3: I didn't put that together.
Speaker 2: Either, told him wrong. I recognized him while talking, Hey,
Speaker 2: what are you but in my comic and I'm like, a fuck,
Speaker 2: I know your face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, while you're doing crowd work and happened upon someone
Speaker 3: you were a fan of. Yes, that's like a nightmare
Speaker 3: you right.
Speaker 2: I never Yeah, I can't believe that's a fresh one
Speaker 2: I've ever even shared with you, Karen. It was I've
Speaker 2: never heard that story. He was so sweet and he
Speaker 2: was like hanging out and talking to all the He
Speaker 2: was like, I love comedy and he went there to
Speaker 2: watch the show. I think he was there writing, you know,
Speaker 2: and then hey, there's a comedy show and he decided
Speaker 2: to stay, which that alone I appreciate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny. While trying to do my crappy
Speaker 2: what do you do for a living Oh my favorite
Speaker 2: of all time rap group.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it's probably harder because he's not like a
Speaker 3: household name, so like you're nerding out maybe by yourself,
Speaker 3: right on stage and people are like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: Is this a bit?
Speaker 2: And I think maybe he appreciated that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fantastic. Yeah, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Also, what if the next time you heard uh, yes,
Speaker 1: he was in the far side. Sorry I don't know this.
Speaker 3: Yes, fat well.
Speaker 1: I did see them at a festival one time that
Speaker 1: was at like Northridge, because I went with like Brian
Speaker 1: Posaying a bunch of like a bunch of comics, And
Speaker 1: when their set started, it was as if everyone decided
Speaker 1: to start smoking pot at the same time. So this
Speaker 1: literal wall of pot smoke went up, like people were
Speaker 1: doing it here and there, but suddenly it was just
Speaker 1: like like there was a cloud in front of us
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day. It was one of
Speaker 1: the funniest, coolest things I'd ever.
Speaker 2: Seen, but which I knew what song it was. Maybe
Speaker 2: it would help explain.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's past the pipe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would make sense if it would they open
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe, yeah, I mean, was it a college
Speaker 3: Was it a college show? Because that that was I mean,
Speaker 3: they shouldn't open with that. It's not a way. It's
Speaker 3: not a great way to get booked again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'd want to do the apple for my
Speaker 2: teacher because I knew I get a kiss one.
Speaker 3: Yeah thats educational.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just realized that trick him into thinking
Speaker 1: that you're you're mostly an educational rapper that's going to
Speaker 1: talk about.
Speaker 3: All these songs are about school.
Speaker 1: They're all all about school teachers.
Speaker 2: You know, that's our thing, libraries, hanging out in libraries.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm excited for you to record in the studio
Speaker 2: tomorrow with the people you said that are going to
Speaker 2: be there.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's the reason I'm a part of project though. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's terrific. I So I saw him here
Speaker 2: at the Virgil and it was really, really great. And
Speaker 2: I didn't realize a lot of those freestyle Fellowship songs
Speaker 2: were from when he was a kid, because he's like,
Speaker 2: oh I wrote this when I was seventeen, and him
Speaker 2: a skateboard, tennishe ice cream shop. Want just list of
Speaker 2: things that that is that cornbread?
Speaker 3: Corn bread? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah, him
Speaker 3: and Micah nine. They had a group before Freestyle, the Fellowship.
Speaker 3: Oh God, I can't remember the name of it, but yeah,
Speaker 3: they used to do routines. Like I was. I interviewed
Speaker 3: MIKEA and nine for my podcast. He was telling me
Speaker 3: about this one time in the late eighties where like
Speaker 3: they saw run DMC and a Burger King and they
Speaker 3: ran in and tried to battle them, and and they
Speaker 3: they yeah, they kicked their rhymes and run DMC was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's cool. Y'all talked to jam Master Jay and then
Speaker 3: they left. They had a plane to catch. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 2: We didn't want to battle. Yeah, we'll give you what
Speaker 2: you're looking for, a.
Speaker 3: Good job, right, oh man.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they saw me in a place and they're
Speaker 2: like that this is our chance.
Speaker 3: They yeah, that's that's that's the fucked up thing about
Speaker 3: rappers were so competitive and it's and it's it started
Speaker 3: out as such a street corner culture that if you're
Speaker 3: really into it, you're expecting other people to be ready
Speaker 3: to do it right now, yeah, right now. Like Micah
Speaker 3: has multiple stories of running up to people and say it, well,
Speaker 3: so with the real b boy battle at their shows,
Speaker 3: at other people's shows, it doesn't matter. He was always
Speaker 3: trying to do it in half the time. People would
Speaker 3: engage with him and do it too. He said, Tupac
Speaker 3: used to rap with him all the time because he
Speaker 3: knew Tupac knew whenever Michael saw him, that's what Michael
Speaker 3: was going to ask him to do.
Speaker 1: Oh well, but that's kind of I mean, that feels
Speaker 1: to me very reflective of comics riffing in that way
Speaker 1: of these are the people. There's not a lot of
Speaker 1: people that can do the thing that you can do,
Speaker 1: and it keeps you on your toes if there's the
Speaker 1: competitive edge to it, right.
Speaker 2: Exactly that, right, exactly that Well, the anxiety that watches
Speaker 2: over me though when someone says, hey, rap right now,
Speaker 2: freestyle rap right now. There's been times where I will
Speaker 2: at least try, but usually I just will sweat. Karen
Speaker 2: and I have talked of jokingly we've done it. Please
Speaker 2: don't listen to those episodes. But yeah, same goes for
Speaker 2: if someone was like, you have to roast this comic.
Speaker 2: That's become a thing now that I think people are
Speaker 2: still into comedy roasts, right, roast battles.
Speaker 3: I just I think it's become a niche, and much
Speaker 3: in the same way that like battle rap has sprung
Speaker 3: off and become these different niches within it. I think
Speaker 3: it's it's very similar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to. I almost did the boast
Speaker 2: boast battle.
Speaker 3: Where you post rattle boast rattle, where you do the
Speaker 3: competent Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I instinctively like. Back when Eliza Skinner
Speaker 2: had a show at UCB here and I'm like, let's
Speaker 2: just compliment each other because you're a stranger. They there
Speaker 2: was a ringer from the audience that was a really
Speaker 2: good rapper, uh for just being hey, how about you?
Speaker 2: But they were raising their hand and jiggling it. But
Speaker 2: we just complimented each other's clothing and demeanor and face symmetric, symmetric.
Speaker 3: I used to do that show all the time. That's
Speaker 3: how I met a lot of people in the comedy scene,
Speaker 3: is that I would do that. I would do elizas
Speaker 3: Oh okay, was it the beat beat down?
Speaker 2: YEA.
Speaker 3: To do that all the time, that's great.
Speaker 2: I always wondered how you kind of were.
Speaker 3: Well, that was part of it. And then I used
Speaker 3: to do I used to beg them to let me
Speaker 3: be the asscat monologist, yes, and do music, you know,
Speaker 3: and so people like the other improvisers would see how
Speaker 3: well that went. Ye, Like my songs had funny shit
Speaker 3: in them, and so then they would invite me to
Speaker 3: do their shows. And then like I recorded, Like after
Speaker 3: the first time I did ASCAT, it went so fucking good.
Speaker 3: The next time I did it, I made sure that
Speaker 3: I had a video so I could like try to
Speaker 3: get on more shows. Yeah, and one of the people
Speaker 3: whose shows I was trying to get on was Paul F. Tompkins. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I bugged him a lot, and he checked out
Speaker 3: the video and he had he started having me on
Speaker 3: on a couple of his Largo shows and that like
Speaker 3: between that and Eliza's Ship, like it's just like everything
Speaker 3: opened up.
Speaker 2: That's so great. Yeah, that's the Those are the stomping
Speaker 2: grounds that I was focused on.
Speaker 3: And then I snuck in a normal monologue.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, it's just more talking, and then they're
Speaker 2: gonna I think of music. Version is great.
Speaker 3: Those are fun nights. Yeah, these were incredibly fun nights.
Speaker 1: So wait were you were you taking suggestions from the
Speaker 1: audience and then improve.
Speaker 3: Like no, I just I just came prepared to do
Speaker 3: songs of mine that worked in that environment, and then
Speaker 3: I would do the song and then they would say, hey,
Speaker 3: tell me a little bit about how you came up
Speaker 3: with that, and then they would riff of the song
Speaker 3: and the content text around the song got it.
Speaker 1: For a second, I just thought you you were taking
Speaker 1: suggestions where I'm like, right, that's fucking impossible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so hard because I would not have wanted
Speaker 3: to video that at all. I would not have wanted
Speaker 3: to see that back after the fact.
Speaker 2: And the times I've done it. You do as a monologist?
Speaker 2: Is that the right monologus?
Speaker 3: I think sologe monologist sounds.
Speaker 2: It sounds someone in the audience gives a word and
Speaker 2: that dictates what you talk about. Was that that way
Speaker 2: for you, Karen? I think, yeah, your version is better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they let me do my ship and then
Speaker 3: they just ripped off of it and it was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a really good idea. That's inversely, the
Speaker 1: first improv class I ever took, and like week three,
Speaker 1: the improv teacher made us all get up and freestyle
Speaker 1: wrap and I literally I was like, please don't make
Speaker 1: me do that's a.
Speaker 3: Really hard that's a really tough thing to ask people
Speaker 3: to do if they've never done it. Yes, I could
Speaker 3: do it in front of people for the.
Speaker 1: For the first time, and also I think for myself,
Speaker 1: first of all, taking this improv class was very I
Speaker 1: wish I'd done it years before because comedy is like
Speaker 1: just played into all my control issues and basically I
Speaker 1: decide and I'm going to plan it and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and it's memorization essentially. Improv, of course, is the complete
Speaker 1: opposite of that, and it was very difficult in and
Speaker 1: of itself. But to me, like freestyling is such a
Speaker 1: specialized ability that has so much to do with literally
Speaker 1: just like opening your mind and trusting your brain, which
Speaker 1: I do not feel that way about my brain or
Speaker 1: myself at all. And then that self consciousness of like
Speaker 1: this this is absolutely going to go badly. It's not
Speaker 1: like I can pretend I'm a waitress and we're improvising
Speaker 1: a scene about ordering a hamburger. It's just like you
Speaker 1: want me to just train of thought like whatever is
Speaker 1: going to come out of my head. No thanks, I
Speaker 1: don't want to reveal that shit about myself, like it's
Speaker 1: boses you in so I.
Speaker 3: Want to hear something interesting. That very line of thinking,
Speaker 3: right there is why in the last couple of years
Speaker 3: I have decided not to banter in my live shows,
Speaker 3: because I have learned the hard way that if I
Speaker 3: venture without a plan, I'm going to say something fucking dark, right,
Speaker 3: that's great, and I'm going to suck the fucking energy
Speaker 3: out of the room and dig us and dig a
Speaker 3: hole that I have to climb out of my job
Speaker 3: on this podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how often though, because there are times where I'm
Speaker 2: watching uh freestyle rap and I can tell some of
Speaker 2: the lines were sitting in the back pocket sure like,
Speaker 2: and they're plugging in some guys more than others, and
Speaker 2: the audience is all like, oh, this is freestyle, Like no,
Speaker 2: that wasn't and that wasn't them in between I mean supervise.
Speaker 2: But is anyone called out like it's yeah, if you
Speaker 2: were I'm doing a comedy show that's all crowd work,
Speaker 2: and you see someone doing their jokes, it's the same.
Speaker 2: Do people get called out on that everywhere?
Speaker 3: Not really, because I don't think people have the language
Speaker 3: to know how to call it out, like right, Because
Speaker 3: I did a thing for a long time where when
Speaker 3: I was on tour from from city to city. When
Speaker 3: I was in a city that day, I'd be trying
Speaker 3: to like make notes of certain things in my head
Speaker 3: that I would reference during the freestyle. Sometimes, like I
Speaker 3: would remember the four things so well and do a
Speaker 3: setup mentioned, set up, reference, set up reference that.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 3: I had a couple of people ask me after, oh,
Speaker 3: did you write that before? Like, and It's like, no,
Speaker 3: I just noted some things and remembered them and kind
Speaker 3: of did them. But I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 3: people had the language to be like, hey, did you
Speaker 3: think of that particular line before you got it? You know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if they I don't know if people
Speaker 3: are able to ask the sort of specific question you'd
Speaker 3: need to ask to get the answer, even if they
Speaker 3: sensed maybe it was prepared. Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 3: they don't. I don't know if there's any room between
Speaker 3: completely prepared or completely improvised in a lot of people's
Speaker 3: minds when it comes right and you have to have
Speaker 3: done it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I think of something that is funny in
Speaker 2: a town like that, I'm like, I'll ruin it if
Speaker 2: I actually overthink it. That's a funny premise. When my
Speaker 2: back's against the wall, my instincts comedically will know to
Speaker 2: say the right thing. I don't want to ruin it
Speaker 2: by actually writing a joke I've actually I should write more.
Speaker 2: That's the excuse I've given myself. Now, just work it
Speaker 2: out on stage. My riffy loose style will pull me through,
Speaker 2: probably help if I type some shit out. But I know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I very much relate to exactly what you said, Like
Speaker 2: just how the references there and when you'll you'll know
Speaker 2: what to do with them if you can just remember
Speaker 2: to have the four or five things sitting there.
Speaker 3: I've gotten to the point now where I don't I
Speaker 3: don't even like to do that anymore though, Like I
Speaker 3: like to freestyle, but I like to do it in
Speaker 3: a very pure sense of just letting my mind go somewhere,
Speaker 3: rather than trying to build it around this hyper local reference.
Speaker 3: Because I found myf it started to feel too gimmicky.
Speaker 3: Because I know people who like they really they really
Speaker 3: gimmicked the shit out of it, right, and I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't stand it. Like I know of quite a
Speaker 3: few people who do the thing where everybody takes something
Speaker 3: out of your pockets and put it in the air, right,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna freestyle about every item. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I see, and I'm like, yeah, that's it's not easy,
Speaker 3: but it's also not very interesting.
Speaker 2: In the short form game. That's like the freeze tag
Speaker 2: of give me that. Oh it's a steering wheel and
Speaker 2: everyone laughed, yeah, because it's a plate, it's not a
Speaker 2: steering wheel.
Speaker 1: But also the feeling like one of the best feelings.
Speaker 1: And I can remember like the night and the time
Speaker 1: where it was like probably my fourth year and stand
Speaker 1: up and I was doing I was middling for someone
Speaker 1: at the punchline at San Francisco, and as I was
Speaker 1: finishing a chunk and doing like that, I was on say,
Speaker 1: the third to last joke in this area, and then
Speaker 1: I thought of another joke and said it and it killed.
Speaker 1: And then I thought of another joke and said it
Speaker 1: and it killed, and I was like it was like
Speaker 1: I was struck by lightning, where I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: that's the point. It's I don't want to be up
Speaker 1: here as a monologist. I don't want to be just
Speaker 1: saying the same thing with a fresh take like a
Speaker 1: weird actor. I actually want to be engaged in what
Speaker 1: my point is and think of better points, and that
Speaker 1: feeling is so fucking red that like that is the Like, however,
Speaker 1: I can figure out a structure and I still don't
Speaker 1: really know, but it's like the looseness scares the shit
Speaker 1: out of me. But that's where those new ideas come.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the danger, the danger is where all the fucking
Speaker 3: energy is. And like that's to say, that's like kind
Speaker 3: of the same thing as like, yeah, I don't want
Speaker 3: local reference guard rails. Yeah, let's just fucking go somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's just fucking go.
Speaker 2: And I'm afraid I do that now, just because the
Speaker 2: looseness scares me. When I first started, I maybe didn't
Speaker 2: even know what I was going to talk about. I
Speaker 2: just had four beers and I started talking and random
Speaker 2: that's how I started. Yeah, I didn't know you were
Speaker 2: supposed to write stuff down. And there are times though
Speaker 2: that it fails miserably, you know, And so that's why,
Speaker 2: out of fear, I started making them, you know, the
Speaker 2: framework of comedy, which takes away that looseness.
Speaker 3: But the reason freestyling is like its kind of a
Speaker 3: cheat code because as long as people are conscious of
Speaker 3: the fact that you are making it up. It's really
Speaker 3: impossible to bomb. Yeah, like you like the only way
Speaker 3: to bomb is that like you completely stop right like
Speaker 3: it's some awkward place like that's the only way to bomb.
Speaker 3: Like if you as long as you're continuing to do it,
Speaker 3: even if you're right fucking making up words, like, people
Speaker 3: are fucking into it. They see it is this is
Speaker 3: this is cool?
Speaker 2: Yes, that right there is why when I was doing both,
Speaker 2: there was animosity with the stand up scene against improvisors
Speaker 2: because it's like, oh fuck, they could do say whatever
Speaker 2: up there because people loved improv and then and I
Speaker 2: loved I moved to Austin to do improv, but I
Speaker 2: realized it was two different camps and that was the
Speaker 2: that was the reason it was split. It's because yeah,
Speaker 2: they could say anything, and the audience was into it.
Speaker 2: They're like, that wasn't funny, but they just made it
Speaker 2: up that fun anything, you.
Speaker 3: Know, question for for for both of you. Something that
Speaker 3: I've seen because I know some people who are like
Speaker 3: Jedi master freestylers that they're they can hit a new
Speaker 3: awesome thought every bar with a great setup and a
Speaker 3: great punch line, all completely off the head because they're
Speaker 3: that fucking good. But I've seen it where they lose
Speaker 3: a little impact because it's so good people don't realize
Speaker 3: it's all being made up. Right. Is it possible to
Speaker 3: do that in improv or possible to do that in
Speaker 3: riffing where it's so good that people don't realize it's
Speaker 3: all being made up? Right?
Speaker 2: Then it's funny because this is exactly what when you
Speaker 2: said people come up to you and they're like, what
Speaker 2: how much of that was improvised? And what is written?
Speaker 2: I always, in order to feel comfortable improvising, I had
Speaker 2: moments in my act that we're once improvised that I'm
Speaker 2: retelling and pretending happened again by accident. For a while
Speaker 2: that was my material, But then it gave you room
Speaker 2: to actually take the risk of improvising, because you know,
Speaker 2: I have this planned improv but it's a bit but
Speaker 2: it so it all seems improvised. But just like I say,
Speaker 2: with a lot of freestyle rappers have stuff in their pocket,
Speaker 2: I'm the one that does that with stand up. That's
Speaker 2: why I'm so interested in this talking about this. It
Speaker 2: is because yeah, I I with my comedy do that.
Speaker 2: I have fake improv, so I feel safe to then
Speaker 2: actually try and improv and if that falls flat, I
Speaker 2: always have my chambles Kunky soup or whatever a thing
Speaker 2: I said once actually because of Paul of Tompkins. He
Speaker 2: was like, always say chambles kunky because I just did
Speaker 2: that reversal and it. Chambles Kunky became one of my
Speaker 2: jokes because of Paul.
Speaker 1: Well. Also, that question makes me think because I started
Speaker 1: stand up in San Francisco and it was some of
Speaker 1: the smartest best stand ups. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: the early nineties. So it was like we would go
Speaker 1: every night and get to watch like Greg Proops do
Speaker 1: forty five minute sets and he was he was absolutely
Speaker 1: riffing of four but three quarters of his set, and
Speaker 1: he was riffing on a level that he It was
Speaker 1: like he was writing brand new sets every night. Whereas
Speaker 1: there was other people that you would go see and
Speaker 1: the first time you saw them and this happened, like
Speaker 1: I think it happens to everybody when they start stand up.
Speaker 1: Is you open for somebody the first night, they're the
Speaker 1: funniest person you've ever seen. The second night, you're like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: I get it. You're doing exactly the same thing and
Speaker 1: then basically it's like it it goes downhill from there.
Speaker 1: But then there were certain comics Dana Gold, I think
Speaker 1: Greg Proops. There were people who got on stage and
Speaker 1: like they did crowd work and they did stuff and
Speaker 1: they just were talking. And so I think the delivery
Speaker 1: was so low key that no one thought it was
Speaker 1: like I felt it sitting in the back like I
Speaker 1: was being I could see the miracle that was so
Speaker 1: hard to recognize because it was just so conversational. But
Speaker 1: it was like Greg Proops especially, I watched him one time.
Speaker 1: A lady said something about Finland and he said, well,
Speaker 1: that's actually not true, and then got into an argument
Speaker 1: and picked up the mikes stand and started drawing in
Speaker 1: the air a map of Scandinavia. And I was at
Speaker 1: the back, like you, I couldn't tell you what countries
Speaker 1: are in this area, and he is literally like putting.
Speaker 1: He's like putting this woman very politely in her place,
Speaker 1: but also saying like, do not please, don't comm at
Speaker 1: me about Finland, because I'm going to spool you in
Speaker 1: a severe way. And it was like that. I think
Speaker 1: that set in my mind this thing where it's like
Speaker 1: it's not about getting this standing ovation from these people.
Speaker 1: It's those fucking comics. They'll know. They'll know if you're
Speaker 1: just doing the same act, they'll know what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and if you're making something up, and then it's that
Speaker 1: idea like you know, Paul or Andy Kindler. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people like that. When you could hear them laughing,
Speaker 1: you were like, Okay, I'm doing something.
Speaker 2: And I'm one to testify that the living you can
Speaker 2: make off of other comics liking you is so lucrative
Speaker 2: that back of the room money didn't look at this place,
Speaker 2: That wallpaper didn't buy itself. It's funny you brought up
Speaker 2: Greg Proops because I've always wondered what that is. One
Speaker 2: of the main when I first would see him at Largo,
Speaker 2: I'm like, some of this has to be planned, but
Speaker 2: it might be fake loose so he can actually riff.
Speaker 2: You're saying he just was.
Speaker 1: He jokes, but most of the time, and especially it
Speaker 1: shows like Largo, he would do whatever he wanted because
Speaker 1: he I think his IQ is like fucking two hundred
Speaker 1: or something. I mean, like he just is. I've just
Speaker 1: seen him so many sets of his that I it
Speaker 1: was proven to me that he is like kind of masterful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in that way. So I think there are It's just hard.
Speaker 1: I think that people that are really really good at
Speaker 1: it are hard to recognize because being low key is
Speaker 1: part of their style. It's not the big like yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah right, they're not they're not telling you that
Speaker 3: they're making this up. They're just making it up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love I I guess I've always realized it,
Speaker 2: but I love how we are realizing right now what
Speaker 2: similar worlds hip hop and comedy are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, creatively and stuff. I'm pretty comfortable
Speaker 3: in both and also feel out of place in both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: Well, that went by really fast.
Speaker 2: I knew what.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: That was one of our faster podcasts. But we're so
Speaker 1: excited to have you back. Obviously we're we're nerds for you, Mike,
Speaker 1: they just are.
Speaker 3: It makes it makes my Philip with anxiety and intimidation.
Speaker 2: No, you you make you make this easy. And we
Speaker 2: we were gloating about you after recording last time, and
Speaker 2: it's great to have you back.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me bag this is this is super
Speaker 3: fun and I'm way more comfortable this time.
Speaker 2: Isn't that funny. Everyone's nervous. We were nervous here.
Speaker 3: I was very nice. I love it.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything you want to plug or like?
Speaker 3: Aside from the well, you know what I'm I'm streaming
Speaker 3: on Twitch a lot, So if you don't know that,
Speaker 3: check me out there Twitch dot com, slash Open, Underscore,
Speaker 3: Mike Underscore, Egle. I'm doing it a lot.
Speaker 2: Oh cool.
Speaker 3: So I need to let people know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the that's the hardest part of
Speaker 2: this job.
Speaker 3: That's the part.
Speaker 2: What kind of a narcissist lets people know they're doing things.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being on.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
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