1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Wow, Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, February twenty first, twenty twenty four. 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, or we should 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: probably start exercising again. It's me and your man, nam 4 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: G Marcus Grant, joined by Michael F. Florio Lakwan Jones. 5 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Not with us, he's off doing actual work this week. 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: Of course, as you probably know if you follow the show, 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: he is a researcher for NFL Media and he is 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: down in New Orleans just hanging out eating seafood and beignets. No, 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: apparently he's not. Apparently, he actually is doing some work 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: around some of the HBCU goings on down there for football. 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: I know he's there with Steve Wish, Bucky Brooks, Charles Davis, 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: among others. So we are going to prime him for 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: information when he returns about who he saw and what 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: he likes. But in the meantime I play to talk 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: about I mean, Floria. I know this is an audio 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: only podcast, but I'm proud of you. You are rocking 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: a Golden State Warriors city hoodie right now. We talked 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: a little bit about that before the show. But in 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: his place, hey, ye out, at least with us for 20 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: a little while. It's one and only Matt Oconda. Matt, 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: it's good to have you here, man. How you doing, Yeah, 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: it's good to be here. It's the NFL off season, 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: which you know has its its buses and it's minuses, 24 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: mostly minuses because there's no football. 25 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: But other than that, great. 26 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Matt wrote a column. We'll dive into that 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: in just a little bit. We're also going to go 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: through Daniel Jeremiah's Mock Draft two point zero because it 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: is mock draft season, of course, and Florida and I 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: will talk about some of the interesting names and whether 31 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: we like some of the landing spots. Plus we may 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: talk about some All Star games, because the NBA All 33 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: Star Game just happened, and Florida, you said you don't 34 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: really watch All Star games anymore? 35 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: No, I'm not in. I love Gill's Challenge, like I 36 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: watched Saturday Night for the NBA. I love the home 37 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: run Derby, I watched Grownman play Dog Year, But the 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: All Star Games themselves not a fan. Although I know 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: we want to talk this later. I think Marcus I 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: have figured out the way to make them more competitive. 41 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Well, we will get to that later on 42 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: in the show, but that want to start with a 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: column that Matt Ocatta has currently on NFL dot com. 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: You can go check it out. It's about cap casualties 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: or potential cap casualties. Because we are getting towards that 46 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: time of year. Free agency starts in about three weeks, 47 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: so we're gonna be talking obviously about where players are 48 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 1: going to move, but teams have to sort of make 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: room in terms of being able to sign players, and 50 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: so that means that, unfortunately, some guys are going to 51 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: be left without a job when it's all said and done. 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 1: And so, Matt, I wanted to go through yours and 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: you have it broken down into AFC and NFC. Some 54 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: of the names obviously aren't necessarily fantasy relevant. They're more 55 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: defensive guys. It's worth reading the whole thing for anybody 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: out there, go check it out. But I want to 57 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: pick out some of the offensive names obviously that could 58 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: make an impact, and one that jumped out at me. 59 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: It'sn't out at me anyway, but even more so because 60 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: when I woke up this morning and I was checking Twitter, 61 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: as I want to do when I know it's not 62 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: healthy to lay in bed and scroll Twitter, but whatever, 63 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: I do it anyway. Every day on Twitter, it seems 64 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: as though there is a new player that we are 65 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: talking about, whether it's a draft prospect, a current player, 66 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: what have you. This morning's main character seemed to be 67 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: one Nicholas Jamal Chubb. You have written, other people have 68 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: written that he could be a cap casualty, that the 69 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: Browns could move on from him. You mentioned in your 70 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: piece that the knee injury certainly is going to be impactful, 71 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: and when I read it, I thought, is that the 72 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: whole thing? I mean, I know the salary number is 73 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: a big thing, but but Matt, if you look at it, 74 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: if Nick Chubb played a full seventeen games and into 75 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: the playoffs, it was fully healthy at the end of 76 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: the year, would we even be having this discussion about 77 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: him right now? 78 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: I think we'd be having the discussion because there are 79 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: other factors that play. I think that the severity of 80 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: discussion would be a lot less intense, because obviously, Nick 81 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: Chubb has been the face of this franchise, at least 82 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the ball for a while now, 83 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: and letting him go sounds absurd. But there is a 84 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 2: lot to consider, and the injury is big. It is 85 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: a big deal on multiple fronts. It was severe damage 86 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: at MCL and ACL. It was the same knee he 87 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: injured back at Georgia. It's never good to reinjure the 88 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: same knee for a running back. Also, while he recovered 89 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: from that college injury, he was twenty then he's twenty eight. Now. 90 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: There's a lot different when it comes to recovery, recovery time, 91 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: getting back to one hundred percent and then to move 92 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: on from the injury a little bit. Hitting twenty eight 93 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: is kind of that dreaded age for running backs a 94 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: lot of the times, especially when you've got the workload 95 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: of the injury history that Chubb does, where even those 96 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 2: guys we believe to be the best in the lea 97 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: begin to fall off a little bit. We've seen it all, 98 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: you know, fantasy RB ones hit that age, fall out 99 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: and begin to you know, come to the twilight of 100 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: their career if you will. So I would consider that 101 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: a concern even if Chubb hadn't dealt with this injury. 102 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: But now you have this. I don't think he comes 103 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: back early twenty twenty four. I don't know from what 104 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: I've heard talking to people who know this kind of 105 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: stuff really well. I don't know if he comes back 106 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: one hundred percent until the very end of this next season. 107 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: And when you've got a sixteen million dollar cap hit, 108 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: which is the third highest among running backs, that makes 109 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: that really tough to swallow. You know, he has to 110 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 2: be a top three back in the league basically to 111 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: make that work. And if he's fully one hundred percent, 112 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: he is, he's Nick Chubb. We know he's one of 113 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: the best running backs in the league. But if he's not, 114 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: and that's basically the ceiling, you're taking on a lot 115 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 2: of risk. And I will just throw this in there 116 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: as one final thing because I know you mentioned, you know, 117 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: when he's playing seventeen games, Should we even doubt that, 118 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: should we even have this conversation? Just throwing this out there, 119 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: And I trust me, I believe RB's matter. I'm a 120 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: fantasy guy. The Browns have the number ten scoring offense 121 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: in the league last year, that was their best finish 122 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 2: since two thousand and seven. In this year, they didn't 123 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: have Chubb. I'm just putting it out there that far 124 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 2: back situation wasn't great for most of the year either. 125 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: So I don't know if you can put it on that. 126 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: I think we get attached to people, to running backs especially, 127 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: but also to just players in a franchise sometimes and 128 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: it might be time to move on and go in 129 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: a new direction for that off. 130 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: So David and Joku is the key. He's the engine 131 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: that keeps that offense going. Is what you're saying, the. 132 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: Classic seventeenth year breakout or whatever you're using. 133 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: Hey, David and Jokus, That's what I'm taking away from 134 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: that whole conversation right there. 135 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: All three of us are in a mactra of together 136 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: right now, Nick Chubb Winn in the middle of the 137 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: third round. I can tell you right now I'm out 138 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: on that cost, but it sounds like you are as well. Okada. 139 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: Two names that we did Dego not that, but pretty 140 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 3: early we're Alvin Kamara and Aaron Jones, and you have 141 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: them both as potential cut candidates. I think a lot 142 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: of fantasy players or fans look at it and say, well, 143 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: Alvin Kamara was their top target for much of this year, 144 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 3: and Aaron Jones just had them on a good playoff run. 145 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: So do you think it's possible that either or both 146 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: could restructure their deal and stick with the team, or 147 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: do you think that we're going to see each of 148 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: these running backs on a different team next year. 149 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: No, I do think it's possible, And with Aaron Jones, 150 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: I honestly think it's probably more likely than not that 151 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: they do figure out a way to keep him there, 152 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: or at least they try to. They have said that 153 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,559 Speaker 2: Brian gooden Kums the GM has come out and said 154 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: the hope and the anticipation is that they'll bring him back. 155 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: Just the details of how they do that are still 156 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: in flux. And last year he took a five million 157 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: dollar pay cut to stay in Green Bay because he 158 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: loves playing in Green Bay and they love him a lot. 159 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: He's a big locker, locker room piece. He's a crux 160 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: of their offense, so I think that they want him there. 161 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: He also carries a lot of dead money twelve million 162 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: dollars unless they cut him post June first, which is 163 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: a complicated thing that comes along with the salary cap 164 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: situation that helps free up money. And you know, like 165 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: you guys mentioned, he came on very strong at the 166 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: end of last year after having a really rocky start 167 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: to the season. So I think it's possible. I think 168 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: it's likely that they try to restructure him somehow get 169 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: that numbered now so he's not up there at the 170 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: very top in terms of running back salary cap and 171 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: continue to build around Jordan Love and him in that backfield, 172 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: which would be great. Kamara feels a lot tougher to me. 173 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: He has the highest salary cap hit among running backs 174 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: eighteen point eight million dollars, and that's already problematic enough. 175 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: People don't want to pay running backs that much money 176 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: no matter how well you're performing. To add to that, 177 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: these Saints have the worst cap situation in the league, 178 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: and it's by a mile. They're in the eighty millions 179 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: over the cap. It's like, it's absurd how bad of 180 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: a situation they're in. 181 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 3: This is a yearly thing for them, antaly. 182 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 2: Somehow they managed to get it under but it hasn't 183 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: looked recently. It hasn't turned into playoff runs of any significance. 184 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: So they need to figure out something new, and Kamara 185 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: feels like probably the best, if not one of the best, 186 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: places to do that because that cap hit is an innocent, 187 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 2: you know, insane, but also he's missed several games over 188 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: the last three seasons. He hasn't hit double digit touchdowns 189 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: since twenty twenty, which is what he was doing like 190 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: a maniac early in his career and earned him the 191 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: extension he's playing on right now. He had career lows 192 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: and yards last year. He wasn't that efficient. I still 193 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: believe he's a great player. Obviously, he's incredibly He's one 194 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 2: of the best passing pass catching backs in the league. 195 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: But for a team in this bad of financial stretch 196 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 2: who needs to figure out something new, that number might 197 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: be too much to figure out how to restructure. I'm 198 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: sure they like to, I don't know if they can 199 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: pull it off. 200 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just looking at it feels like Kamara 201 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: is the guy who probably leaves. I can't imagine the 202 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: Packers moving on from Aaron Jones just because, look, they're 203 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: not keeping aj dillonough you know that that didn't work out, 204 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, and he's an unrestricted free agent. I imagine they're 205 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: easily going to let him walk. But as you mentioned, 206 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: with Jordan Love showing what he showed us this year, 207 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: with that group of young, talented pass catchers that they 208 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: have around there, I just imagine that having Aaron Jones 209 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: really sort of cements the growth of this offense. I 210 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: think Green Bay will do everything they can to try 211 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: to keep him there. But I can very well see 212 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara playing somewhere else besides New Orleans next year. 213 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: I would say that maybe he goes to the Chargers 214 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: and replaces Austin Eckler, but that number might be sort 215 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: of big. But the Chargers do have some decisions to 216 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: make at the wide receiver spot. Mike Williams, Keenan Allen 217 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: a couple of guys that could be sent packing depending 218 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: on what the Chargers want to do. But look, they 219 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: have a new head coach and Jim Harbaugh. They have 220 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 1: a new offensive coordinator in Greg Roman. They really are 221 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: still trying to build around Justin Herbert and at least 222 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: through you know, the first year, Matt Quentin Johnston shows 223 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: that he still has a lot of work to do 224 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: to be a guy that they can count on regularly. 225 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: So does this mean the Chargers have to try to 226 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: keep at least one of those two receivers for next year? 227 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: I think, you know, if they came to me, if 228 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: john asked, I would say, yes, you need to try 229 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: to keep at least one. Do they think that I'm 230 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: not sure. I don't know, not necessarily. You know, we 231 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: talked some really big names so far in this pod 232 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: getting cut, and people you know, probably react to that 233 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: with how could you possibly move on from someone like that? 234 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: The best place to look for teams to move on 235 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 2: from guys who seem like franchise faces that are stars 236 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: is when you've got a whole new regime and they 237 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: have one. So I could easily see them being in 238 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: a situation where they say, we're build around Justin Herbert, 239 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: but we're gonna do it the way that we want, 240 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: and that looks like x. Quinton Johnston has a long 241 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: way to go as pulling it out. So I don't think. 242 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: I don't think you want to go into this year 243 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: with Justin Herbert and Quinton Johnston. And there's also a 244 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 2: good chance that Austin Eckler is moving on because he's 245 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: a free agent. You know, he's among their best pass catchers. 246 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 2: So if you lose, if you have to cut Williams 247 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: and Allen, you're putting Justin Herbert in a tough spot. 248 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: We've seen all these young quarterbacks take that big step 249 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: forward when they got that star receiver. What happens to 250 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 2: Herbert if they get rid of two star receivers, does 251 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: they take a big step backwards? I don't think I 252 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: want to know. I don't think the Chargers should try 253 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: to find out. And I will say they have the 254 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: number five pick in the draft. I think there's a 255 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 2: very good chance they get Neighbors or Odoonsda There maybe 256 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior if by some miracle he falls to them. Unlikely, 257 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: but I'd much rather have any of those guys as 258 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: a duo to Alan or Williams, especially if it's Allen 259 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: and they can learn from him for a year or two. 260 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: That sounds like the ideal situation to me. I'd like 261 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: to keep Keenan for sure. I'd like to keep one 262 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 2: if you can. We'll see if they do. I think 263 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 2: it's definitely best for Herbert if they can. 264 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Keenan is older, but he's healthier as 265 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: of late, coming off of a more productive season, and 266 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 3: like I said, he's the veterans. So if they keep one, 267 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 3: he seems like the one that they might opt to 268 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 3: keep a little bit. But what about sticking in that 269 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: same division? Okata the Broncos, right, like, we know that 270 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: they not a total regime change. This year, but last 271 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: year it was and they tried to do it with 272 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 3: Russell Wilson and that did not work out, And it 273 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: all kind of seems like he is going to be 274 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: playing elsewhere next year. But some of his past catchers, 275 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: I know they want to get rid of Jerry Judy, 276 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 3: but Patrick are the two that are on the hook here. 277 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, if they get rid of Judy, which I agree, 278 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: it seems likely, that'll probably be through a trade. It's 279 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: also not impossible that one of these guys gets traded 280 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: through some kind of you know, tagging trade or who 281 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: knows it's gonna look bad, This offense is still look bad. 282 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: That's my main takeaway here, because I don't know what's 283 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: gonna happen with Russell Wilson. Obviously, towards the end of 284 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: last year, when the whole You're gonna sit thing came out, 285 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: it was we all just assumed for sure it was over. 286 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: They were gonna move on and restart and do something else. 287 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: Since then, there's been a little bit of chatter about 288 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: maybe they'll try to work it out. We haven't heard 289 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: much else. He's still not gone, so who knows what's 290 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: gonna happen there. But Russell Wilson was playing pretty decently 291 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: quote unquote, not for him compared to als more in 292 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: his career, but decently for an NFL quarterback, and that 293 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: team was still middling at best from an offensive standpoint. 294 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: And that was with Courtland Sun scoring a touchdown which 295 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: felt like every single game, which I don't think is realistic. Yes, 296 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: it would felt like a breakout, but that kind of 297 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: touchdown output is probably going to regress, so they're in 298 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: bad cap shape. They have one pick in the first 299 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: four rounds, which is number twelve overall. I don't necessarily 300 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: think they're going to use it on the offensive side 301 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: of the ball. It's going to be messy. They have 302 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: a lot of holes to fill. I think that cutting 303 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: one or maybe both of these wide receivers is going 304 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: to be a good way to start doing that. If 305 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: they do that and they want to get rid of Judy, 306 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: what do they have to catch pastes? 307 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. 308 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what they is, Marvion Mims. Imagine giving 309 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: them a proper target distribution. Maybe that's the secret plan, 310 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: but until it happens, yeah, this is going to be 311 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: a messy situation. 312 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just you know, It's funny how it went 313 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: from you know, a couple of years ago, they bring 314 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: in Russell Wilson, there's all this excitement about, you know 315 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: what things are going to have, you know, then then 316 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett situation was just an abject disaster. They try 317 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: to you know, paper over that with with Sean Payton, 318 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: and that really didn't work because I don't know that 319 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: he and Russ we're ever really going to get along. 320 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: And now here we are sitting in limbo with no 321 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: real direction or anywhere to go. But as you mentioned, 322 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like they're in a real position to 323 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: go through a real rebuild. My fears, if I'm a 324 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: Broncos fan, my fears that we're going to be stuck 325 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: in football purgatory for a long time where we are 326 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: we are not good enough to make the playoffs or 327 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: make a deep run in the playoffs, but not bad 328 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: enough to end up near the top of the draft board. 329 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: They also have that dude wears number fifteen sitting in 330 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City on top of their division, which is sort 331 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: of problematic for them, really problematic for them. This last name, 332 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: and I put this on here because I know this 333 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: one is near and dear to your heart, Taysom Hill. 334 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about Alvin Kamara and what he 335 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: could be, you know, or what it could be his 336 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: future in New Orleans. I know how much you love, 337 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: Taysom Hill. I know how much you have kaped up 338 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: for him. He seems like one of those guys where 339 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: New Orleans is the only place that he could do 340 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: what he is doing. What do you think his future 341 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: potentially could be? 342 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So here's what I'll say on that. I don't 343 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 2: think that there's anything particularly creative in the Saints' offense 344 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: as of now that allows him to succeed. I just 345 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 2: think they're willing to use him the way that makes sense. 346 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: So the question is, is somebody else because at the 347 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: you know, forget whether or not they invented the mold 348 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 2: for how to use him. Everyone else has seen it now, 349 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: so someone else can figure out how to do it 350 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: the same way they did. It's just a question of 351 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: who and would they be willing to From a fantasy standpoint, 352 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 2: I think it's probably tough that he goes somewhere else 353 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 2: and has as common an occurrence of relevance as he 354 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 2: has these past couple of years, just because the Saints 355 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: have proven to be so willing to use him, you know, 356 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: somewhat consistently. It's still like forty percent snaps. But when 357 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: you play like Jaysom Hill and get that's the involvement 358 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: he does when he's in the game, that can be 359 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: enough to be useful sometimes. I think there are some 360 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: places where it's possible. I have a little mini list 361 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: if you're open to hearing it. Sure, Yeah, Detroit Taysom 362 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 2: Hill in the hands of Dan Campbell and Ben Johnson 363 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: in unique situations on fourth down. Tell me that that 364 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: Dan Campbell would love to have Taysom Hill. 365 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: Taysom Hill and Dan Campbell seem like two piece at 366 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: a pot like. I think they would get along great. 367 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: So that's I hope for it. 368 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 3: I don't want that he's going to be coming in 369 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: and forget Montgomery's taking touchdowns away from Gibbson. 370 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of offensive pieces he'd be taken 371 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 2: away from there, which would be good, annoying, but for 372 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: Taysom's sake, that would be a cool one. Yes, the Chiefs. 373 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: That one's just so obvious. Andy Reid. The stuff he 374 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: likes to do behind the line, that he would be 375 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: Kadarius Tony, but actually good and not dropping. And also 376 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: the very very sneaky piece that if Andy Reids hasn't 377 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 2: thought about this yet, Andy, listen up. This team is 378 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 2: unwilling to run QB sneaks because of what happened to 379 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: Mahomes a few years ago when he dislocated his kneecap. 380 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 2: They never do it, but when you're one yard from 381 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 2: a first down or one yard from a goal line, 382 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 2: we've seen it has become the norm in the NFL. 383 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: It is a crucial you bring Taysom Hill in easy 384 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: first down. That one's so obvious to me. We'll see. 385 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: I also like the Browns. I think Kevin Stefanski is 386 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: pretty creative. They have a high pace of play, which 387 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: is something the Saints do that allows Hill to get 388 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: in more commonly, So that one's kind of interesting to 389 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: me for some reason. I like the Jaguars just because 390 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: I feel like Doug Peterson and Taysom Hill mesh well. 391 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: I don't know why. That's just a gut feel. And 392 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: then the Rams because Sean McVay, those are my those 393 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: are my spots. 394 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: Sean McVay would find some really creative things. I think 395 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: to do with Taysom Hill. 396 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: I'm surprised not to hear he could be the Russell 397 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 3: Wilson replacement for Sean Payton Endenver. 398 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: Oh that's not a bad one. But would he was 399 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: wrestling yet? 400 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: That's true that you know what? Now that you say that, Florio, 401 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: it would not surprise me if somehow Sean Payton finds 402 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: a way to wrangle him over to Denver. Maybe not 403 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: in maybe not in every down quarterback, but just enough 404 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: to like, you know, make it interesting over there. That's 405 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 1: for sure. That's uh yeah, Sean Payton for sure get 406 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: him paid. Hey man, the columns great over at NFL 407 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: dot com. You go check it out, the full thing 408 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: with the potential cap casualties. Uh any interesting? Maybe sticking 409 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: around with us for one more segment talking to some 410 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: some DJ mock draft. 411 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 2: Yah, sign me up? 412 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: All right, sound good. We're gonna take a quick break. 413 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: We'll come back. We'll talk about DJ's mock draft. Mattocotta 414 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: is still hanging out with us a little bit longer 415 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: here on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Well, it is 416 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: mock draft season, and uh, you got to folks on 417 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: NFL dot com putting up their respective mock drafts, of 418 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: course Daniel Jeremiah being chief among them. He is on 419 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: a mock draft two point oh already, so one's the 420 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: guy to dive into that. Attlecata is still hanging out 421 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: with us here on the pod today. And the first 422 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: thing I noticed when I looked at mock Draft two 423 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: point zero from Daniel Jeremiah AKA moved the sticks on Twitter. 424 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: Four quarterbacks in the top eight picks. I know this 425 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: is a year where everybody people love the quarterbacks that 426 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: are in the draft this year. I think it's also 427 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: because people don't necessarily love the quarterbacks that are potentially 428 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: going to be available next year. So this feels like 429 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: a year when everybody is trying to scramble and get 430 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: one of those guys that they think sort of turn 431 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: their fortunes around. So the four guys that DJ has 432 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: going early on, Caleb Williams going number one to the 433 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears not really a big surprise. Nor is Drake 434 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: may going at number two to the Washington Commanders. You 435 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: go down a little bit further, he's got Jade and 436 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: Daniels at number six to the New York Giants, and 437 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, who has been getting a lot of buzz lately, 438 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,239 Speaker 1: moving up a lot of draft boards. DJ's got him 439 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: going at number eight to the Atlanta Falcons, the now 440 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith free Atlanta Falcons. So, uh, Floy, I will 441 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: start with you of those guys, presuming you know, I 442 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: know this is all speculation, but if this were to 443 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: happen as Jeremiah predicts, which one isn't the best spot 444 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: to produce immediately? I think I know who you're gonna say, 445 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: but I want to hear it anyway. 446 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: Were you thinking Jaden Daniels? I was, Yeah, for fantasy purposes, 447 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 3: I don't care where they go. It's Jayden Daniels to me, 448 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: because think Anthony Richardson, think Jalen Hurts, think Lamar Jackson. 449 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Daniels is like like he's not 450 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 3: nearly as big as Anthony Richardson or Hurts or anything, 451 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 3: but those quarterbacks were not the number one in their 452 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: class or anything like that, but for fantasy they were 453 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: because what they give you with their legs, and Jayden 454 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 3: Daniels is that dual threat guy who can come in 455 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 3: and immediately be a top five dual threat type of 456 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 3: quarterback and rush for something like seven eight hundred yards, 457 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: maybe more than that. And if we're talking about that, 458 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 3: then we're talking about a fantasy QB one. The only 459 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 3: questions I have with this landing spot is would would 460 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones still be there? Would they start Daniel Jones 461 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 3: early on? I like the supporting cast best in Atlanta, 462 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 3: but McCarthy. I like him as a player too, But 463 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 3: no one, none of these four. The other three I 464 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: mean run like Jadeen Daniels, so I don't care where 465 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 3: he lands for fantasy purposes. 466 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: I think he's the QB one next year. Oh god, 467 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: I mentioned this last week. It broke the thing. The 468 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: worries about Jaden Daniels. Right, for every highlight you see 469 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: of him making your great throw, there's one highlight of 470 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: him taking just an insane hit, a wicked hit. I mean, 471 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: the comp wiley coyote has come up more than once, 472 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: which doesn't seem like a great thing for a quarterback. 473 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean, does that worry you at all? For him 474 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: at the next level? 475 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: It does, and it should in general with these quarterbacks 476 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: that are willing to rush. It's always going to be 477 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: a concern. Now to Florio's point, it's also always going 478 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 2: to be a huge positive for fantasy. So it's kind 479 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: of that give and take. You have to weigh it 480 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 2: out and hope that he can figure it out. From 481 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: what we've seen, I think that teams are getting good 482 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: at coaching quarterbacks how to protect themselves a little better 483 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 2: at the next level, so hopefully we can see that there. 484 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 2: He is a Giant's coaching staff, one of the ones 485 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: I'm most will trust the NFL. No, not really. I'll 486 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: throw my hat in on this question, by the way, 487 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: to say, please, I know that Caleb Williams is obviously 488 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: the best prospect. Not only is the best prospect in 489 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: this draft, most people consider him where a lot of 490 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 2: people consider him to be one of the best prospects 491 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: of the last decade at the position, So it is 492 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: easier to trust in his fantasy output from the get go, 493 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 2: even though he's not the rusher that Daniels is. That said, hey, 494 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: when Andrew Luck came in the league, he was productive 495 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 2: right away. This is the kind of guy that people 496 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: are comping Caleb to from a prospect level standpoint, so 497 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: it's possible he could produce that well for fantasy out 498 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: the game. But b if he goes to the Bears. 499 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: I know that the Bears don't seem like the best 500 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: situation offensively, but they finally got DJ Moore, who was great. 501 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: They have the opportunity to build around that in several 502 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: different directions from an offensive side of the ball. They 503 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 2: have the third most cap space in the league. They 504 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: have two picks in the first and four or five 505 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: in the first four rounds, so they have a lot 506 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: of opportunity. And if they trade Justin Fields to make 507 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: this pick up Caleb Williams, that's gonna net them maybe 508 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: another late first, early second plus is what it sounds like. 509 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 2: So that's a lot of assets. And if they do 510 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: this and take Caleb number one, obviously their full focus 511 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: is going to be build around Caleb Williams, build a 512 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: team that can support him, give him the pieces he needs. 513 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: So if he goes one and they build up a 514 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 2: solid offensive roster around him, he'd be up there for 515 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: me as well. 516 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: I know when we had Adam rank On a few 517 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: weeks ago, I mean, he very much is still in 518 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: the I think we should build around Justin Fields camp. 519 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: He understands the process of going on and drafting Caleb Williams. 520 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: He still believes that they can build around fields and 521 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: what have you. I'm sort of torn because, you know, 522 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: my Trojan allegiance wants me to wants Caleb to go 523 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: somewhere where he can immediately be successful where he is. 524 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: You know, like, ideally he goes to a Houston type 525 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: situation right where they just suddenly blossom and everything is 526 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: great and wonderful. I don't think Chicago's the worst spot 527 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: for him. You mentioned Dj Moore. I think you know, 528 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: Caleb's biggest strength is sort of playing off schedule. He is, 529 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: He's a great improviser, gets out of the pocket and 530 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: makes plays there. I think that's a good spot for 531 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: him to be in. I think Drake May, though, might 532 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: be the guy who steps in and plays really really well. 533 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: Right away, we saw what Sam Howell did. 534 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: Uh. 535 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: You forget the fact that he was sacked eleventy billion 536 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: times this season. He stood in there and he made 537 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: some really good throws. I think it's awkward for him 538 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: to watch the guy who was behind him in North 539 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: Carolina come in and take his job potentially, but I 540 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: think Drake May steps up, and I think I think 541 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: Washington is not a bad spot for him to go 542 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: in and be productive. They've got some good pass catchers there. 543 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: You know, the running back situation isn't the It isn't great, 544 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: but it isn't the worst either. I mean, you know, 545 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: I know people love him. I know people have talked 546 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: about him potentially going number one. I think he's in 547 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: a really, really good spot to come in and be 548 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: productive right away. Any thoughts, maybe matt on which guys 549 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: maybe said a long term isn't Caleb? Is he the 550 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: long term answer out of this group? 551 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 2: Long term? I think it has to be Caleb, even 552 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: over Daniels, assuming like, let's just assume that Daniels is 553 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: better in year one, as Florio laid out, because of 554 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: that rushing ability. I have no problem with that take 555 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: at all. And even if you told me that that 556 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 2: was guaranteed to happen, I would still take Caleb for 557 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: the long term because of the value of that prospect. 558 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 2: That level of prospect we're talking about. You know, do 559 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: we want to say he's going to be the next 560 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. No, but is he going to be a 561 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: high end QB one for Dynasty or every year in 562 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: redraft for the next decade. It's a better bet than 563 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: you ever get with the draft class bet coming into March. 564 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's Caleb for me. Hopefully that team builds 565 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: around him better than they have and let me I'll 566 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: just throw out there, no team, no team in NFL history, 567 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: has a worse history of QB success. They've never had 568 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 2: a star ever. It's actually embarrassing and insane. So hopefully 569 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: he is the savior. 570 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: I mean, look, they still have never had a four 571 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: thousand yard passer in say their history. I mean, you 572 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: talk about Bears quarterbacks, they still refer to Sid Luckman. 573 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: Sid Luckman. This last season was nineteen fifty. Nineteen fifty, 574 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: We're going on seventy five years since Sid Luckman last 575 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: played in an NFL game, and that's the guy they still 576 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: refer too when they talk about great Chicago Bears quarterbacks. Yeah, 577 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: that's that's rough. The other position that that DJ has 578 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: going very early wide receivers. Three in the first nine picks, 579 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior to New England League Neighbors to Arizona, 580 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: Romodonese to Chicago with the number nine pick. We started 581 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: talking three of us in slack yesterday about this, and 582 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: I think we all sort of agree that Marvin Harrison 583 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: Junior obviously an amazing prospect. Going to New England makes 584 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: us all feel depressed and sad and gloomy. But Florida, 585 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: I'll start with you. I mean, if these were the 586 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: actual landing spots, how do you rank the three of 587 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: these guys? 588 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 3: I would put Neighbors first for sure, because he's so explosive. 589 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 3: He could win downfield, and he'd have the best quarterback 590 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 3: throwing him the ball with Kyler Murray and I tweet 591 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: about it yesterday, Mi me o Cotta. We're talking about 592 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 3: it on slick like right now is a great time 593 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 3: to buy Kyler Murray because he's going to get a 594 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: big upgrade at wide receiver one. I think regardless if 595 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: it's Marvin Harrison Junior or Neighbors, but I would put 596 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 3: him one. I think that it's a conversation after because 597 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 3: A Donsay would be catching passes from Caleb Williams assumed 598 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: if things broke down this way, but he would be 599 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: the number two target behind DJ Moore. I don't know 600 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: who would be the quarterback in this for the Patriots. 601 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 3: Hopefully it wouldn't be mac jons sappy, Hopefully they'd go 602 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 3: outside someone. I still think I would put Marvin Harrison 603 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 3: Junior second, though, because no disrespect to Donsay, I need 604 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,239 Speaker 3: to dive into both of their films more. I've been 605 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 3: watching some quarterback. 606 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: Stuff as of late. 607 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 3: But from what I've seen and from everything I've read 608 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 3: and everything everyone says, Marvin Harrison Junior is just head 609 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 3: and shoulders better than pretty much every wide receiver prospect 610 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: we've gotten in recent years. So even in a bad 611 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 3: landing spot. 612 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: I would put him to ahead of a Donsay in 613 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: this situation. I mean your thoughts, my you are the 614 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: resident Patriots fan here on the show. 615 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the great thing about this is well, I 616 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: don't know if i'd call it great, but there's the 617 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: small silver looking for me of if Marvin Harrison goes 618 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: there and is tanked for fantasies that I get to 619 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: have Marvin Harrison on my team. However, that doesn't matter 620 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: much if my grandma is throwing him the football, which 621 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: is in a situation since Tom Brady left. Yeah, it 622 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: is a disaster if he goes there and they don't 623 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: maneuver in the first round to get a quarterback or 624 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: sign someone like Kirk Cousins. Basically, it's terrible. I think now, 625 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison, you know, to your guys point, is a 626 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: prospect of a level to where you can maybe transcend 627 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: that and maybe even lift up the quarterback whoever it is, 628 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: to a better degree, and he'll still be okay. But 629 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: if he goes there, which might arguably be one of 630 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: the worst situations in the league, and Neighbors goes to Arizona, 631 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: which might honestly be one of the best in terms 632 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: of realistic, you know, options for these top wide receivers, 633 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: he's by He's far and away the better option for me. 634 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: I love Kyler and the chance he has to rebound. 635 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: Like Florio pointed out, I think that Neighbors uh is 636 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: the one b in this draft class. And that's I 637 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 2: think that's a hot take because everybody has been hearing 638 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 2: about Marvin Harrison junior now obviously for years and assume 639 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: him to be future Hall of fameer, best prospect, and 640 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors is kind of a little bit newer name, 641 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: sliding a little bit under the radar in comparison, but 642 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 2: he's incredible. His his statistical or analytical breakdown is unbelievable. 643 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: If you want to look at yards per route run 644 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: in college, which is one of the best things to 645 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: look at when you're looking at these prospects. He is 646 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: beyond elite. We're talking like above Jamar Chase. You know, 647 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: in the the stratosphere of elite that you either get 648 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: a superstar or something goes wrong with the I don't 649 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: see that happening here. I think he will be a superstar, 650 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 2: and I think Arizona is the place with the opportunity, 651 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 2: the quarterback, the draft capital, it'll all be great, so 652 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: he'd be one. 653 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean, look, if somehow this works out that that 654 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior goes to Arizona, I mean, are we 655 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: talking what third round pick in redrafts? That that realistic? 656 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: That's what it is. 657 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: I think he's a top twenty four wide to see 658 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 2: you around the game easily. 659 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean we talk about this every year, 660 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: that we can spend all this time studying tape, talking 661 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: about traits and skills and abilities and what have you. 662 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: Landing spot means so much in fantasy that no matter 663 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: how talented you are, you land in the wrong spot 664 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: and it's gonna automatically put a cap on where you are. 665 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: But I'm with you, guys, Neighbors to Arizona makes him 666 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: number one. I would probably go Odunes to Chicago number two, 667 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: just because if they take Caleb, I feel better about it. 668 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: Quarterback situation, it's not a talent thing, it's a situation thing. 669 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: Now would put Inmates sha at three out of that group. 670 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: His tight end has become interesting to talk about in 671 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,280 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. I mean, all hail Sam Laporta, 672 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: who is currently the king of fantasy tight ends after 673 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: his rookie season. And now we've got brock Bauers coming. 674 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: And you talk about hearing about himates J for a 675 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: couple of years, We've been hearing about brock Bauers for 676 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: over a year or so. Now DJ sort of admits 677 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: that him falling all the way to eighteen to the 678 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals probably isn't likely. He admitted that he sort 679 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: of mocked this one for his own personal enjoyment. And Matt, 680 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: when I looked at it, I thought, man, that seems 681 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: fun like the Bengals could definitely use a tight end. 682 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: But also they've got Jamar Chase and they may throw 683 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: the franchise tag on T Higgins and that feels like 684 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 1: a lot. Even with Joe Burrow there, it just feels 685 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 1: like a lot to try to feed brock Bauers enough 686 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: targets that we're going to love what he can be 687 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: next year. So yay or nay on Bauer to the Bengals. 688 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 2: Next year is a yaina. What's in between? It's a 689 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 2: rookie tight end situation. It's tough. 690 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 1: Now. 691 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: Obviously we're all I don't want to say poisoned by 692 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: but last year was absurd when it came to the 693 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 2: productivity of rookie tight ends. I think we should be 694 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 2: careful about assuming that or that things have changed. So 695 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm going to be considering him 696 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 2: a top you know, six eight, maybe even ten tight 697 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 2: end if he goes there. But I do think it 698 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 2: is a good spot, mainly because if there's somebody who 699 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 2: can support that many targets, it would be a healthy 700 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. Now we'll see how healthy Joe Burrow is. 701 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: But also, you know, between t Higgins and Tyler Boyd, 702 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 2: I think it's likely that one will be gone. I 703 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 2: do think that they'll try to get one back, but 704 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: that's going to open up a lot of targets as well. 705 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: Whichever one it is. And this offense is built around, 706 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: you know, Burrow throwing the ball a mix and taking 707 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,479 Speaker 2: the short yardage stuff they need. That they could really 708 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 2: use a tight end. They haven't had one, certainly, not 709 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 2: of this potential caliber. I think that he would be 710 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 2: have a great opportunity there and be solid out the gate. 711 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was a last legit with Tyler 712 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: Eifert maybe the last Yeah, probably even and that's that's 713 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: been a while. 714 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 2: It's good for fantasy. Back in the day he was No, 715 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 2: he did have a couple. 716 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: Of really good fantasy c I'm looking at it right now. 717 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen, six hundred and fifteen yards whatever, thirteen touchdowns. 718 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: That's great. 719 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 3: You know it was nine years ago though at this yea, yeah, 720 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 3: twenty fifteens a while ago, right, and like he had 721 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 3: thirteen touchdowns that one year. 722 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: He had thirteen touchdowns the rest of his career combined. 723 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: So you know, they could definitely use the tight end. 724 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: I just worry that there's not enough targets, potentially, at 725 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 1: least in the first year, for brock Bauers to really 726 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: be great. Adam I Mitchell DJ has him going to 727 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay now The big point here, Gloreo is that 728 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: you know Mike Evans could be on his way out 729 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: of Tampa. I know Baker Mayfield has said he wants 730 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: to run it back, he wants to keep the band 731 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: back together. I think that'd be a lot of fun 732 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: if he leaves. I mean, ad Ni Mitchell, big body 733 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: guy who's good downfield, wins jump balls, sounds a lot 734 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: like Mike Evans. I know we're not super geeked about Baker, 735 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: but would you feel better if this was potentially the 736 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 1: replacement for Evans. 737 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 3: I'd feel a little. I would feel better than if 738 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 3: they just didn't replace him at all. Like, no, no 739 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 3: disrespect to Mitchell. He's not going to come in and 740 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 3: give you what Mike Evans gave you. 741 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: Last year, ten straight one thousand yard seasons or whatever. 742 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 3: One of the downfield options and great in the red zone. 743 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 3: And so yeah, it would be a hit to the Bucks, 744 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 3: to Baker, to all of that if Mike Evans was 745 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 3: to leave. And I've kind of been pushing Mike Evans 746 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 3: to the Chiefs for a while now. If that doesn't happen, 747 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 3: I think the Bucks make a lot of sense for 748 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 3: him to just kind of go back, But yeah, I 749 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 3: think it would be he lofty expectations to put on 750 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 3: any rookie to be like, hey, you're on Mike Williams 751 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,439 Speaker 3: Mike Evans replacement, even if you could be seventy five 752 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 3: percent of like that would be a huge success. And 753 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 3: for Baker. I totally understand why Baker wants to run 754 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,280 Speaker 3: his back and have everything get back and everything, because like, yeah, 755 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 3: where else is he gonna go? You know, So like 756 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 3: he's advocating for Baker by that, not the Bucks. 757 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm not mad at it. He's coming 758 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: off his best career season. I mean he looked great 759 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: and I know you and I have said on this 760 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: show and apologized to Baker multiple times because we didn't 761 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: believe and he went out. He had a very very 762 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: good year. So absolutely Baker's looking out for Baker. When 763 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: he says Mike Evans should come back, I'm not mad 764 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: about that, like in the least. But speaking of sending 765 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: guys to Kansas City, and Florio says he's sort of 766 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,959 Speaker 1: pushing Mike Evans that direction. Dj Okad I has Troy 767 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: Franklin from the University of Oregon going to KC. Franklin 768 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 1: a speed guy, a vertical threat. That is one thing 769 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: that the Chiefs have been missing since Tyreek Hill left. 770 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and say that Troy 771 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: Franklin's going to be the next Tyreek Hill? But can 772 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: he be better than Mark cuz Veldez scantly? Can he 773 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: be that guy? And and if he is, is the 774 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: hype train going to go off the rails? Because you 775 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: know we anytime a skill position guy goes to Patrick Mahomes' offense, 776 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: we get maybe a little bit too fired up. Does 777 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: the hype train get going again? If Troy Franklin lands 778 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: in KC. 779 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 2: Well, okay, can he be better than MVS? Easily? Yes? 780 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 2: Because I think I might be able to put a 781 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 2: three hundred yards passes for Patrick Mahomes. MVS was a 782 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 2: disaster last year, barring a couple nice plays towards the 783 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 2: end of the season, but most of the stuff we 784 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 2: remember him before was bad. So replacing him is easy 785 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 2: if you bring in Troy fr Troy Franklin to replace him. 786 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 2: What does that look like for Troy Franklin? Does he 787 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 2: double or triple that production? I don't necessarily. Here's what 788 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 2: I'll say on Franklin and the hype train. Does he 789 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 2: have the blazing speed? Yes? What does that make us 790 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 2: automatically think of when we're talking about Kansas City Tyreek Hill. 791 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 2: Of course, it's very hard to replace Tyreek Hill. And 792 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,320 Speaker 2: what you'll note is that the Chiefs haven't really tried. 793 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 2: Andy Reid hasn't really tried. He said, oh, we don't 794 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 2: have the greatest, possibly the greatest weapon at the wide 795 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: receiver position that we've ever seen, not necessarily greatest receiver, 796 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 2: but just in terms of like the ability to destroy 797 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,919 Speaker 2: a defense or put fear in a defense, Tyreek Kill 798 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 2: is absurd. We don't have that. Okay, let's not try 799 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 2: to replace him because it's not possible. Let's do something else. 800 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 2: And this last year, Patrick Mahomes, like it or not, 801 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 2: Chiefs fans or Mahomes Truthers was the dak and dunkiest 802 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 2: quarterback in the National Football League. You know, we went 803 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 2: into that Super Bowl, everybody talking about Brock Perdy being 804 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,280 Speaker 2: a game manager, dinkin dunker. It was Mahomes who's throwing 805 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 2: everything behind the line. And that's what Reid does is 806 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: he comes up with creative answers for the roster you have. 807 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 2: So if Troy Franklin goes there, I will like it. 808 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 2: I will be excited because you still have Patrick Mahomes 809 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 2: as your quarterback. It doesn't matter if you're going to 810 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,439 Speaker 2: replace Tyreek Kill or not. Having Mahomes is great and 811 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 2: he is a great prospect with tools to be absurdly good, 812 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 2: especially with a quarterback and throw a deep ball like that. 813 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 2: But I would be I would temper the hype train 814 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 2: a bit if it turns into Tyreek Hill Tyreek Hill 815 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 2: that I don't really expect. I think he'll be. I 816 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 2: think he'll be solid, but careful. 817 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: He's the He's the Gabe Davis replacement. That's what Troy 818 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: Franklin really is. Oh, I don't know. I don't know 819 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: that excites me a whole lot either necessarily. I mean, 820 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: that's just yeah, so's they're saying he's better in best 821 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: ball already he need to step on the field and 822 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: you're just saying he's the best ball sort of guy. 823 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 2: Honestly, that's kind of valid. 824 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: Uh Yeah. The only thing that worries me and this, 825 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: I would admit this is me maybe being in my 826 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: own head too much, right, and like sometimes I think 827 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: think we can all be guilty of not judging the 828 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: player on his individual merits and maybe just on situation. 829 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 1: And my first thought is the Chiefs recently, and by 830 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: recently I mean maybe the last decade, have not been 831 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,919 Speaker 1: great at drafting wide receivers. Like, yes, they found Rashi 832 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,399 Speaker 1: Rice and that looks like it's going to turn out 833 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: to be good. But you go back Sky Moore. Cornell 834 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: Powell was a fifth round pick in twenty twenty one. 835 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: Me Cole Hardman, Yes, I know he caught the Super 836 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: Bowl winning touchdown, but me Cole Hardman has not blossomed 837 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: into anything over his career. Trying to look at some 838 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: of the other guys, Ja Hu Chessen, DeMarcus Robinson. You know, 839 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill was a fifth round guy that they thought 840 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: was going to be a special teamer more than anything. 841 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: Like they didn't draft him to be the guy that 842 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: he has become. Chris Conley, which, by the way, side note, 843 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting Chris Conley tackling who was 844 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 1: it for the Chiefs, Like there were a a swap 845 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: of players like former forty nine Ers playing for the 846 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: Chiefs and former Chiefs playing for the forty nine Ers 847 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, and they ended up tackling each other. 848 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: I thought that was amusing. That's just my own thing. 849 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,479 Speaker 1: Long story short, though, the Chiefs have not been great 850 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: at drafted wide receivers, and that makes me nervous and 851 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't do that. 852 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 3: They certainly have. 853 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: A tight they do have it. 854 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 3: You could run fast. 855 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: They are interested in you. 856 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 2: Honestly, they haven't done a great job of just having 857 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 2: good wide receivers draft or otherwise. Besides Tyreek Hill, who's 858 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 2: the last one before that? That was great? I don't 859 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 2: even know. 860 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, no, it's it's been a lot. 861 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 3: I mean, look, Dwayne Bow. 862 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 2: Yes, Dwayne Bow that might be the only other one. 863 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: Wow, Richie James, by the way, that's the name I 864 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: was trying to think of. 865 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 2: Richie Yeas. 866 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, I mean what we're not really that far 867 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: removed from a season where the Chiefs had, you know, 868 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: no touchdowns from a wide receiver. I mean, it wasn't 869 00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: really that long ago that that happen. It makes Travis 870 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: Kelsey that much more impressive. M hm. Yeah. So anyways, 871 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: one guy kind of died through this bog draft a 872 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: little bit. I know, we'll do it again as we 873 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 1: get closer to draft season, it's started to talk about 874 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: landing spots. Ideally, we're gonna start talking to some other 875 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: folks too, Maybe get Bucky Brooks on the show. I 876 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: know he's not in New Orleans right now with the Lakwan, 877 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: and you know, he's obviously got his finger on the 878 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: pulse of this stuff as well, So that'll be fun 879 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: to talk about as we get a little bit closer 880 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,839 Speaker 1: to April and May. But Matt, we appreciate you hanging 881 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: out man. For folks who are looking out for you, man, 882 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: where can they find your stuff. 883 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 2: At Mattowcot on Twitter. Go to NFL dot com and 884 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,879 Speaker 2: read this cuts article. There's also going to be a 885 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 2: free agency boom bust article coming out soon spoiler alert. 886 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, I know if I'm even allowed to 887 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 2: say that, but there it is. It's out too, with 888 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 2: some with some fantasy implications as well, so that one 889 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 2: will be fun to read. 890 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: Oh Outsdandy, we might have to get you back on 891 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 1: to talk about that one too as well, because that 892 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: sounds actually awesome. Anyway, Yeah, go check out, Matt. We're 893 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break, come back into Matt, Matt, 894 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: Mike and I we're gonna try to figure out how 895 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: to fix All Star games, because apparently that's a thing 896 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: that we need to do. Anyways, stick arout for more 897 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So wrap it up 898 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: the show, and by the way, thanks to Matto Kata 899 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,399 Speaker 1: for stopping by. Be sure to check him out read 900 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: his column on NFL dot com. But wanted to finish 901 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,720 Speaker 1: for something just kind of a little bit different because 902 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: we're not that far removed from the Pro Bowl. Just 903 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: what about three weeks or so. The NBA All Star 904 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,240 Speaker 1: Game just happened over the past weekend, and it seems 905 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: as though the big talking points when it comes to 906 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: All Star games recently has been that, you know, they 907 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,919 Speaker 1: need to be fixed, no one cares, the players don't 908 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: seem all that interested. I mean, for years everybody said, well, 909 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, the Pro Bowl has turned into a flag 910 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: football game, so the NFL just went on and made 911 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 1: it an actual flag football game. The NBA All Star 912 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: Game pretty much is just uncontested dunks and lightly contested 913 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,400 Speaker 1: three point shots. I mean, the East scored two hundred 914 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: points this year in the All Star Game, so it's 915 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 1: obviously not the same as it was. You know, ten 916 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty thirty years ago. So I guess, as we 917 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 1: sit here and talk about it, do we still need 918 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: All Star games? Do we still even want All Star 919 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: games as a general public? And you know, how do 920 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,760 Speaker 1: we fix them? If that's the case. 921 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 3: I can't speak for the whole public, but me, I 922 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 3: don't think we need them. I think they're outdated. Like 923 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 3: baseball was my first love, and as a nineties kid, 924 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 3: I mean we interleague play only really started in like 925 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,399 Speaker 3: the late nineties. So when I was a kid, I 926 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 3: love the All Star Game because like, even when there 927 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,240 Speaker 3: was interleague play in like the late nineties early two thousands, 928 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 3: it was two weeks of the season or something like that, 929 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 3: and you would play like the Mets would always play 930 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 3: the Yankees. But like if I wanted to see Mike 931 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,279 Speaker 3: Piazza face like Pedro Martinez, the Mets were never good 932 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 3: enough to make the World World Series, so that was 933 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 3: my only opportunity to really see it. Now we get 934 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 3: interleague play every single day of the baseball season, so 935 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 3: I don't think it's as needed. And I thought long 936 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 3: and hard about how to fix them, Okay, and you can't. 937 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 3: You can't offer money to people who have all the 938 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 3: money in the world. There's not gonna be enough money 939 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,399 Speaker 3: to get them to play. So I was like, how 940 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 3: can we incentivize it? And time, time is what we 941 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 3: have that the players need this time of year. So 942 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 3: they play the All Star NBA also game on Sunday night, right, 943 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 3: whoever loses. If the East lose, every Eastern Conference team 944 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 3: plays that Monday and the West gets off until Thursday. 945 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: As Oh, because if. 946 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 3: You told them whether you it's like the Office, you 947 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 3: watch the Office, right, Like when they play to work 948 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,959 Speaker 3: on Saturday. Everyone is playing hard because no one wants 949 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 3: to work on Saturday. I think, look, it would be 950 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 3: hard to plan with venues and arenas, like scheduling, Yeah. 951 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: Would be kind of tough. 952 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 3: But if you told the players you're VACA depends on it, 953 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,439 Speaker 3: you're gonna get You're gonna get defense, that's for sure. 954 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: That's interesting. I you know, I never considered that that 955 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 1: would be a definite way to get guys to like 956 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: focus in and pay attention a little bit, because I 957 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: mean my thought was maybe not to fix the All 958 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: Star Star games, but let's just de emphasize them a 959 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 1: little bit, right, Like like All Star Saturday Night still 960 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: has some meaning to it, even though I think the 961 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: dunk contest has probably run its course because yeah, we've 962 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: seen it. Like I don't know what anybody can do 963 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 1: short of you know, anti gravity boots or something like that. 964 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: Like I think we just we've seen all of the 965 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: dunks that can be done. 966 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 3: Like Jalen Brown had one, and Kenny smith Er whoever 967 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 3: the announcer was, was like in eighty five that was 968 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 3: a fifty, and it's like you've seen that dunk for 969 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 3: forty years. 970 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: Now, you know. I think somebody tweeted like, you know, 971 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: like jumping over people, like we've seen every variation of 972 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 1: you jumping over people now, Like it's just it's not 973 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: as exciting anymore. My thought was just the All Star 974 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: Game and just just flip flop the days, right, like 975 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, put put the All Star Game on like 976 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon or something like that, let them play like 977 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,320 Speaker 1: get the other way, and then the showcase, the skills showcase, 978 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: because that seems to be what people really get excited for. 979 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,359 Speaker 1: You know, the three point shootout is still exciting, that's 980 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,280 Speaker 1: still interesting. I mean, you have the stuff versus Sabrina 981 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: that was fun to watch. I legitimately enjoyed that. 982 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,919 Speaker 3: I thought it was the best part of the night. 983 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so why don't we make that the centerpiece thame. 984 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: Why don't we put that part on Sunday and make 985 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: that the showcase of the weekend. The game itself can 986 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: be you know, like whatever they want to play, you know, 987 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,480 Speaker 1: and have it scored b you know, two hundred and 988 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,360 Speaker 1: eight to one eighty six or whatever it was. We 989 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: could do that part on Saturday, have that Saturday afternoon. Also, 990 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,439 Speaker 1: let's not start it so late. Yeah, it starts really late. 991 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,399 Speaker 1: And I say that to somebody on the West Coast 992 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,320 Speaker 1: where it's like still you know, five thirty in the evening, 993 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,360 Speaker 1: but like there's nothing else going on on Sunday. Just 994 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,319 Speaker 1: play the game already, like we don't have to wait 995 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: all day. 996 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard because like you can't really incentivize them 997 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 3: to want to play for because I have all the 998 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,799 Speaker 3: money and they right and rightfully so and they don't 999 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 3: want to get hurt. So it's really hard to I 1000 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 3: think back in the day there was some pride on 1001 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 3: it when it was like this is the only time 1002 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 3: we're going to play each other, and I want. 1003 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,880 Speaker 1: To show that I'm better than you. 1004 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 3: But we get these matchups every single night for six months. 1005 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I've seen a lot of people 1006 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 1: make the point too that now because rings culture, which 1007 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: has kind of infected every sport, is so important. If 1008 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: I'm a player in any sport, why am I going 1009 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: to go out and risk injury that prevents me from 1010 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: possibly winning a championship Because that's all going to be 1011 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,839 Speaker 1: judged on when my career is over. You know, no 1012 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,239 Speaker 1: matter what I do, no matter how many other awards 1013 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: I win, somebody's gonna say, well, you know, you didn't 1014 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,040 Speaker 1: get a ring, So why would I bother busting my 1015 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 1: butt to win an All Star Game or get an 1016 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 1: All Star Game MVP when you know people aren't really 1017 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,560 Speaker 1: going to credit that for anything. So I get that the. 1018 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,840 Speaker 3: All Star Game MVP is almost like the smallest award 1019 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 3: you could win. Like, like you said, like Dame won 1020 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 3: the MVP and the three point con I think more 1021 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,400 Speaker 3: people care about the three point Contest win than anything 1022 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 3: like the Dunk contest. I think people care more about 1023 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,479 Speaker 3: than who gets the All Star Game MVP. 1024 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,919 Speaker 1: Oh, it's funny that you know, you could see Dame 1025 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,480 Speaker 1: was really going out of his way to win that 1026 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,239 Speaker 1: thing early like he was he was really like from 1027 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,399 Speaker 1: the beginning, because like the first few minutes you thought 1028 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 1: maybe Tyrese Haliburton. He came out of the gate firing. 1029 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 1: I think he scored fifteen points in the first couple 1030 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: of minutes. Uh, and then after a while Dame took over. 1031 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,720 Speaker 1: You're like, all right, he's he's obviously on a mission 1032 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: to win this MVP. 1033 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 3: I will say, I love that he stole it from 1034 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,360 Speaker 3: the hometown kid no sense to Haliburt and the Pacers. 1035 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 3: Just the heel doing that. 1036 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: Oh, I like, yeah, oh yeah, especially for the team 1037 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,480 Speaker 1: playing with the team in you know, the same division too, 1038 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,359 Speaker 1: Like that's that's hilarious to me. Also, I think it's 1039 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,360 Speaker 1: funny that the NBA's back to back dunk champion doesn't 1040 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,240 Speaker 1: actually play in the NBA. 1041 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite things that there has got 1042 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 3: not good enough to be in the NBA, but no 1043 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 3: one can out dunk him. 1044 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,440 Speaker 1: But he is a great He apparently is the champion 1045 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: dunker of the NBA. Like I know, if we should 1046 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: do in other sports too, right, have skills competitions like 1047 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I'll have you know, he 1048 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,839 Speaker 1: if some guy from triple A can come up within 1049 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,840 Speaker 1: the home run derby or something like that, right, Like, 1050 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 1: let's do it. 1051 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 3: It should be a yearly event. Like look, I know 1052 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 3: Steph won. Sabrino put up twenty six, which was the 1053 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,240 Speaker 3: high score in both rounds three the men's three point. 1054 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: She would have been the finals, and Steph. 1055 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 3: Made it look like yearly. Let's just pick anyone in 1056 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 3: the world and see if they can out shoot Steph. 1057 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: That's you know, loser leaves the court, like Steph just 1058 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,400 Speaker 1: stays on until somebody beats him, right, he just stays 1059 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,360 Speaker 1: on and he keeps shooting until somebody beats him. And 1060 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: we'll see how jelly legs and he can't jump in 1061 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,439 Speaker 1: He's like, you can't can't lift his arms anymore because 1062 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,520 Speaker 1: he's been shooting all day. Uh yeah, you know what 1063 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: I think here's it. I think the NFL has sort 1064 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: of gone at least along the path with the skills competition, 1065 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,279 Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of become one of the 1066 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,799 Speaker 1: showcases of the Pro Bowl weekend. You know, I think 1067 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,400 Speaker 1: people you know, are sort of interested in the flag 1068 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,400 Speaker 1: football game and what have you, But I think the 1069 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: skills competition is I think that's sort of the thing 1070 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,880 Speaker 1: with these All Star weekends now, because as you mentioned, 1071 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily special to see the players go up 1072 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 1: against each other because we tend to see it a 1073 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: whole lot, you know. I think for us who play Fantasy, 1074 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 1: we've been putting all star teams together for a long 1075 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:29,919 Speaker 1: time now, so. 1076 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,160 Speaker 3: And we're hardcore sports fans. Like Nicolette watches the Home 1077 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,520 Speaker 3: Run Derby with me. She watched Saturday Night with me. 1078 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 3: She doesn't care, but she's like, this is entertaining, and 1079 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,399 Speaker 3: she would not think that of an All Star game. 1080 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think the All Star games have 1081 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: become like, you know, I don't know, cut to the sidelines, 1082 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,719 Speaker 1: see what celebrities are hanging out there. At least the 1083 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,840 Speaker 1: NBA All Star Game, for sure, I don't know. It 1084 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,879 Speaker 1: is definitely as you mentioned, I think a thing from 1085 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,799 Speaker 1: a bygone era when you couldn't see guys. I mean 1086 00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,719 Speaker 1: I was. I pulled up as you were talking the 1087 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,160 Speaker 1: nineteen night one Major League Baseball All Star Game, you know, 1088 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: and how amazing it was, you know, potentially to see 1089 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,080 Speaker 1: Dennis Secresley face Tony Gwenn because you just weren't gonna 1090 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,120 Speaker 1: get that in a regular season, you know, just wasn't 1091 00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,120 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Now they're gonna happen all the time. That's fun. 1092 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,840 Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me of the World Baseball Classic 1093 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,719 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago when it was Otani versus 1094 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 3: Trout and that was amazing. Yeah, everyone was watching that, 1095 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,280 Speaker 3: even though most people would say that that game doesn't 1096 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,680 Speaker 3: really matter, but. 1097 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,600 Speaker 1: It was amazing, right because we don't see now we 1098 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,240 Speaker 1: actually we actually may see it now they're different teams. 1099 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,520 Speaker 1: We may actually get to see that at some point 1100 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,080 Speaker 1: in the very near future. We'll see. But there it is. 1101 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,920 Speaker 1: All Star games. Yeah, they're just there. I think that's 1102 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: sort of the the the end result of this whole conversation. 1103 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,319 Speaker 1: But I do like your idea of maybe giving some 1104 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,680 Speaker 1: guys extra rest if they af their team wins the 1105 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,719 Speaker 1: All Star Game. We'll see if you guys play play 1106 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,320 Speaker 1: a little bit harder in that In that case, we'll see. Uh. Anyway, 1107 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,360 Speaker 1: that'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy 1108 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,600 Speaker 1: Football Podcast. Thanks to man Matt Okata for hanging out 1109 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: with us as well. Stay happy, safe and healthy, do good, 1110 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 1: and live well. Enjoy the week, everybody, and we'll talk 1111 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: to you again real soon